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Graham Hancock's son is a producer at Netflix who was instrumental in having this farce made in the first place, what a twat. It's his fault I have to constantly debunk this nonsense to friends and family who just like to watch Netflix casually on an evening.
@@FlintDibble I enjoy your RUclips shows and heard your colleague plead for more funding. In Florida, politics is having a detrimental effect on science, and I imagine that affects archaeology as well. You joked about Netflix doing a real archaeology series and I think that is a great idea. If not Netflix, perhaps another venue. Shows that show the excitement real archaeology has, And expose some of the hokey theories getting all the attention...and money. Thanks. And I watched Hancock rebuttal to your debate. It's like asking someone to disprove God, that he puts his proof on the undiscovered evidence. Can't prove him wrong until we researched the entire ocean . A safe moneymaking hypothesis.
This always makes me laugh. There was a real human being, a skilled craftsman, that made and lost each Clovis point we find. Each represents somebody thinking "god damnit, now I've got to make another one" or "this is ridiculous, I've got to keep better track of my tools." It's funny and humanizing.
As a chronic "not again..." type person, i was gonna remark out that this was part of the reason why we dont find shafts as often (even where wood would preserve) because the shaft took many many maaany more hours to make; whereas points were even kept in caches. that led to remembering that not all caches are lost by misplacement, and made myself sad.
God save your kids in the next amnesia event. You barely started to think and analyze your past yet you speak from a place of confidence. You are living in a slave monetary system yet you speak like a king. Nothing is "ridiculous" you see.
@@jakubgadzala7474😂. Amnesia event? Here’s the nice thing about our civilisation, unlike this mysteriously ‘advanced’ Ice Age Civ that Hancock posits went around the globe ‘civilising’ the stupid natives. Unlike this amazingly advanced civilisation of Atlantis we WRITE: hence we can RECORD our history. That’s why this period of time Hancock is looking at is known as pre-historic. So unless we all suddenly forget how to write the likelihood of an ‘amnesia’ event is unlikely, no matter what catastrophe human stupidity produces. And if you can’t see the aporia in Graham’s ‘lost’ civilisation being so advanced it can ‘mould’ stones and other high tech feats, but not thinking to WRITE, a single THING, welp, I’m afraid I will have to assume you are as apparently stupid as your comment!
One thing about "reaching people". When I started reading about actual archaeology and drifting away from the Graham type ideas, I was really surprised to learn just how much was written about subjects I had heard form the alternative types, that "archaeologists are ignoring". I think a big part of this is historians and archaeologists live in a sort of bubble and take for granted the stuff they know, while on the outside almost no one has ever heard of it.
@@FlintDibble Flint, I think you're easily one of the best at presenting it to a wider audience. Your love for the subject shines through - please keep that love for the subject forever! Don't let any internet trolls ever tarnish that. Also, your respect and pride in your father's work is also palpable, and it adds a wonderful human touch to your presentation, and it does so in a humble way. And your way of presenting your own work is also great; you show that, even though it's a complex subject, all the evidence converges to groups of ancient people doing things - and we can all relate to that. You come across as perfectly approachable and friendly. It's ironic that the anti-establishment pseudoarcheology fans gravitate to Graham, who portrays himself like a British university lecturer (though a very approachable one). It shows something about them; they crave an academic authority figure who is fighting the establishment, because they want to latch onto that. They want to feel like they are smarter than the establishment - but they don't want to do the work that would require; so they gravitate to Graham because they think Graham has done the work.
@@FlintDibbleyeah it seems most archaeologists aren’t great speakers to like the limelight. Graham loves the limelight and loves nothing more than yapping for hours into the ether, and he’s don’t it so much he’s good at it (until you actually challenged him live and he melted 😂😂)
I don't think grahams hypothesis is even the one that makes the most sense for an ancient lost civilization. They had the ability to travel the seas and share information BEFORE the cataclysm, but they decided not to. Then a cataclysm happens and the few survivors decide to completely change their motivations and spread out to share information now that it's much harder to do... instead of re-building and re-populatiig? We see signs of shared construction techniques as a base across the world, but those techniques veer off in different directions from the foundation, and each civilization crafted their own ways of building. This seems to suggest they all shared knowledge and building techniques before the cataclysm. Then they got cut off from each other after the cataclysm, leaving each civilization to go their own path from the techniques they once shared. Graham likes his hypothesis because it leans towards a chosen few people who saved the world. It's fantastical and appealing, but it's not even the hypothesis that makes the most sense for his lost civilization.
I'm seeing so many of those Clovis points that don't appear to be fluted at all. It's not my area of expertise so i'm just wondering what that is about.... Has a ratio been determined for fluted/unfluted? Are there specific periods or areas related to these? Or is there a relationship with the material used perhaps making some flint types less suitable for fluting and others more suitable for taking the risk of creating flutes? I know generally speaking fluting developed from small to larger from early Clovis up to the Folsom period but it seems there is more going on than just that gradual increase. And these points without any fluting at all seem to be overlooked usually.
Clovis culture is what got me interested in archeology. When I was a kid, the idea that there used to be mammoths where I grew up and people hunted them with pointy sticks blew my mind. Thank you for covering this topic.
@@JimMcJohnson That doesn't disprove that people hunted mammoth in the Americas though. If anything, it gave them more time to do so. The original poster was just saying that finding out about the Clovis people drove their interest in archeology. Your reply was that "that" (that seemingly referring to the original post's claim that finding out mammoth were hunted in their area) wasn't true when really I think you wanted to say was that the Clovis FIRST hypothesis has been disproven.
@@JimMcJohnson Clovis is a Native American culture that thrived in North America for a thousand years or so. They may not represent the very first people to inhabit the Americas, but they were most certainly the first culture widespread enough to leave a massive archeological signature. Clovis points are littered all over the U.S..
I have to say it is really nice to see people standing up for actual facts, and backing up all their points with sources. I see so many people choosing the people who have “all the answers” because it’s more satisfying than hearing people rightly saying “we don’t know and we might never know, but here are the facts we have”
This is going to sound a little odd, but I can't express how appreciative I am of you, Flint. I'm currently ABD, and the last few years working through language exams or quals left me exhausted and burnt out, second-guessing decisions, etc. Your enthusiasm for archaeology and pushing back on all of this pseudo-nonsense has genuinely affected me positively and made me realize again how lucky and privileged we are to do what we do. It's hard work, but it's worth it, and even though certain people denigrate our profession, what we're contributing matters. Thanks for bringing it back to perspective.
hi @FlintDibble! can you direct me towards the piece John Hoopes speaks about from John Wesley Powell, where he essentially confesses to having previously believed the falsehoods about an earlier 'white race' having been wiped out by 'savages'? i'm not sure where to look. much appreciated!
Yeah i pointed out on the Hancock fact check video that the 3 million shipwrecks are estimates based on formations that always end up being shipwrecks. Of those 3 million mapped locations, theyve only investigated a fraction of them. In one of hancocks videos he was talking about underwater Archaeology only going after shipwrecks. Imagine ignoring the obvious target and deciding to just go digging around on the continental shelf without a target. Graham seems to think archaeology has limitless resources to just go digging around if they come up empty 500 times he wouldn’t care about the wasted resources, the damage to the the environment, and wouldn’t care what the people who lost money think about the next dive. If archeologists have a target and somehow get the funds to do a dive, theyre going to look for something with a high chance of success. Those mapped shipwrecks all but guarantee that success. And yes of the thousands of shipwrecks that have been explored, none confirm Graham’s theory.
It's just a pathetic type of Monty Python skit. If we manage to search the entire Sahara, Hancock will just cry about the Amazon. When that fails, it will be Antarctica. After that the entire ocean. And once everything is searched it would be go back and check again.
Hmm "Of those 3 million mapped locations" Untrue statement, its (Unesco) 3 million "estimated" wrecks, they are not mapped, only 1% (30,000) of that estimated 3 million have been found or are mapped/explored. I have no opinion on a lost civilisation but i know only around 20,000 sunken ships have GPS coordinates & mapping requires the site to be known not estimated as you cant map a site without a location.
The irony is that Hancock is a multi-millionaire, with millions of fans who would help crowd fund ANY archaeological research he cared to do. He'd literally have more funding at his disposal than most actual archaeological work. But he DOESN'T do that....almost as if it might make writing more books and TV programs difficult for some reason...... I WONDER WHY!!!
@@MaxBreak The estimate is based on the profile that a shipwreck makes when it creates a habitat on the floor. Those 3 million are estimated based on how many of these habitats they found. The question is where do you think the 3 million number comes from? You think the scientists are just throwing insanely high numbers out there just to throw off conspiracy theorists? You can check their website to see where the number comes from. Do you think archaeologists just say ok weve found 20k shipwrecks on this amount of ocean floor, so if we multiply the amount of sites by how much ocean floor is left we get 3 million!? It’s completely absurd. You can go to Unescos website and read how they came to the estimate. Like i said its based on profiles of things that they have seen! Google it lol
Flint, I watched Graham Hancock's Fact Check video. Kept thinking he's about to say ' The dark side of Archeology is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.'
This was extremely interesting, John Hoopes is a very talented and clear speaker and this presentation went so far beyond the Hancock Drama. I was especially moved by his comments about the future of archeology and the way he sees it going back to the hands of those that it was seeking to undermine historically. Thank you for giving us this Flint!
@@FlintDibble His focus on central America and The Caribbean even is something you don't see a lot of. And very interesting! I lived there myself and he just kind of blew my mind pointing out how much more habitat there was with lower sea levels. I deal with that a lot in my own research concerning the Solutreans so i know how little that allows us to find out. And his area must be much worse to research! What an excellent guest Flint and thanks for having him on. 😀
Hoopes helped me so much when I was doing a pseudoarcheology project for my final project. He was such an amazing resource, and I am extremely grateful for his knowledge, enthusiasm, and willingness to help.
@@forestdweller5581thanks for your kind comments. The Isthmo-Colombian area hasn’t gotten as much attention as either Mesoamerica or the Andes, but I think it’s central to understanding the long-term dynamic of the Americas. The Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico as the “American Mediterranean” connected North America with Mesoamerica, Central America, the northern Andes, the Orinoco and Amazonia, and the Antilles.
my daughter is an english teacher she uses prebunking but she calls it scaffolding, i think its brilliant, so much more effective that chasing someone who is gish-galloping
Scaffolding is a bit different. It's something more effective for a classroom where you have the same students, so you can build them step by step towards a learning outcome On youtube that's more difficult because you have different viewers for different videos Hopefully as I build my audience I can do more scaffolding as that is a very effective pedagogical tool
@@FlintDibble i should have said similar, that is more accurate, but i think prebunking like you did here and on joe rogan's show was brilliant and helped a lot of people, thank you
I took a class with Professor Hoopes at KU and that one course has shaped the way I look at history and archaeology (and pseudo-achaeology). I have tons of respect for him. He always makes good points and backs them up with evidence. And changes his views when justified.
it's weird that u think u have to be merried to someone to respect a scholar. Backing claims with empirical evidence and intellectual honesty/flexibility is something to be lauded. That's just how good science gets done
@@Fradormat thanks so much for that! For a teacher, instructor, or professor, hearing that they made a difference is the best thing ever. It’s truly what keeps us going. ❤️
at least you are interested in real scientific discussion. Thats a good thing. And appearantly rare in todays world. Hopefully you get better at discerning the difference. Im surely need to train more.
Hi Flint, there’s only so many videos I can watch and I struggle to find great sources online because I just don’t know where to look. You touched on universities putting things behind a paywall. Question: How do we do our own research when so much is hidden from the public? And I understand it’s a university and not a “big archaeology” issue. I would say a lot of these topics are relevant to my trade and it’s frustrating that we’re limited to watching RUclips.
To be very frank. It's impossible. You can't do your own research at a high level without access to a university level library, as well as access to primary materials, archives, artifacts, etc. It's why the phrase do your own research doesn't actually make sense. In the end, you need to figure out who you trust and who you don't to provide an accurate and up to date perspective on a field of study. Only professionals can actually be professional researchers I know it's maybe not the answer you want. But it is the reality On the plus side, there are big moves to democratize knowledge, from scholarly literature to datasets to professionals sharing their expertise with wider audiences. This channel is an example of that trend You have more access to expert knowledge than people have ever had in the past. So I recommend chasing it down and learning from it
@@FlintDibble this is exactly the type of answer I needed actually so I appreciate the time you’ve taken to actually reply with a very detailed answer. I feared this would be the case, I’m only allowed to buy so many books 🥲. It’s because of guys like yourself I know who to trust in the first place, so keep up the good work mate. All the way from sunny Scotland.
54:46 In the 1990's I was working as a river guide in Honduras. We used to hear about the "lost White City" located somewhere in La Moskitia. One guy came to our office wanting to hire us. It was a little out of our area that we usually went, but who wouldn't be interested? Nothing ever came out of that. But it is cool that someone actually found it maybe 10 years later. One guy I knew, a Honduran ecologist, or maybe a botanist? was actually involved in the exploration where they ended up finding and publishing their results.
However, they didn’t find “it.” What has been found in eastern Honduras hasn’t been “white” and hasn’t been “cities.” The reality is that there are hundreds or thousands of abandoned villages and towns that remain to be documented. A LiDAR survey just about anywhere is likely to find them. There is not just one, but many. By the way, there is no “Monkey God.” That fantasy came from collector George Heye, who thought there would be evidence in Honduras for worship of the Hindu deity Hanuman. It was exaggerated in a 1940 tabloid story to be something more like what appeared in the blockbuster film “King Kong” (1933). Nope.
But “the White City” is not a real place. Archaeological survey in the region of the Río Patuca and the Río Plátano has revealed hundreds of archaeological sites, including many large abandoned settlements. The “Lost City of the Monkey God” is not a city and there is no monkey god. It’s all hype.
@@JohnHoopes2 Yes, that's all correct of course. That's why I put the expression in quotes. We literally had people coming to our office and suggesting we help them find the "White City". And, to be honest, I was definitely interested. But nothing ended up happening.
Flint, will you do a video with your impression/thoughts on the recent Lex Fridman interview of Dr. Ed Barnhart? I really Like his approach regarding pseudo archaeologists (and the like). Additionally, his knowledge of Meso and South America is incredible.I would however appreciate your perspective of the status quo.
Hancock: "Archeologists won't consider my ideas" Archeologists: "Okay, let's talk about Hancock's ideas" Hancock fanboys: "Nooo, addressing his ideas means you're just trying to get clout!" Hancock's fans need to decide what they want. After all, you're free thinkers; you wouldn't want people just believing everything Hancock says because he said so, right?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrimeI don't think that arguing his ideas is trying to cancel him. I think there's been misrepresentation and genuinely debunking. Two separate things.
@@brendenbaxter5304 Of course telling Hancock why he's wrong isn't trying to cancel him. But because Hancock is a scammer he can't accept the evidence that he's wrong. That's why he either claims he's a victim or just flat out lies and claims his ideas are ignored. He's still claiming that the underwater pillars near Nan Madol are stone but we've known for decades they are coral. And that's just one example.
@@brendenbaxter5304 “I never worry about hurting the feelings of the good officers when I draw officer cartoons. I build a shoe, and if somebody wants to put it on and loudly announce that it fits, that’s his own affair.” -Bill Mauldin
Flint here is what you need to do. Right now your public exposure relies on the echos of anything Graham Hancock. If you want to make compelling arguments stop going after Hancock. Start going after the evidence, publish on that. Give to the people a new perspective this is what Hancock has done. Stop trying to please your academic colleagues. Build yourself.
go directly after hankook, period. he is living off the work of archaeologists and historians while he is simultaneously insulting them, oh, and has no evidence to support his silly theory.
I think this is his own grift. He’s obscure unless he attacks. Pretty much internet 101. He can’t just make good content because he’s not good at making good content, he has to attack.
Thanks for this! I’m a music teacher fascinated by archeology, especially paleo. I’m wondering how much we know about music in these places in ancient Americas?
I don’t think we can say much about that until we have ceramic whistles, flutes, ocarinas, and drums. I found what may be a pottery drum on Lake Arenal in Costa Rica that appears to date to 1800 BCE.
I would assume that ever since humans had the capability to vocalize sounds we began to mimic what we heard in our environment. Which leads me to think that we were singing like birds long before somebody had the novel idea of carving holes into a hollow stick or reed and blowing through it. There are quite a few Hindu temples some of which have no known age attributed to them that have depictions of instruments as well as there are some carved reliefs that could be interpreted as showing animated movement such as dancing similar to how the modern concept of dynamism can depict motion in a static image.
Well thank you. I just learned a whole raft of stuff here. My career has been in biology (fish & wildlife) and I know the kind of dread you feel with disappearing archeological sites, just like we as field biologists spend an awful lot of time carefully documenting the demise of one species after another of animals and plants. Once it's gone it's gone folks, don't squander what's left.
I can't believe how utterly interesting, calming and refreshing I'm finding these conversations. I am quite politically interested, but those topics are always source for upset and worry. I have also always been interested in archaeology, but I never thought just listening to two people talking about it - even for hours - was going to be so pleasant. Maybe it's because I'm getting old and just need more of that intellectually stimulating but calming content 😁
It’s calming to hear information that is properly framed. I’m also engaged in politics (mostly out of necessity) but it’s exhausting trying to parse out valuable information from hype, spin and outright lies. Listening to people who are intellectually honest talk about information that they understand well yet are also upfront about what they don’t know allows me to turn down that vigilant hyper-critical part of my brain and just receive information.
If archaeologists didn't want to uncover and report on things that challenge the orthodox narrative, how do we know about Gobekli Tepe? Wouldn't any indoctrinated archaeologist, when they realized the t-shaped pillars were from a culture that pre-dated the Sumerians, Norte Chico, Egyptians etc, and would "turn archaeology on its head", have reburied it, told the farmer they could just plow around it, and write up a report saying (essentially): "nothing to see here"?
Yeah, you're exposing just a little of the hypocrisy in their argument. Not only should they have ignored Gobekli Tepe, Schmidt should have had his career ruined for finding it. But reality shows the opposite happened. Their narrative is delusional when compared to reality.
@@russellmillar7132 Well, less than 10% uncovered , and the people in charge of gobekli tepe have stated there won't be any significant excavations anymore. And then they went and planted hundreds of olive trees on top of the site. So...
@@Miniboss_Mike Well that's curious, isn't it? Sounds like you have watched a you tube video by a guy who I don't consider very bright, despite the name of his channel. I saw an interview with the lead archaeologist, Lee Clare, and he said excavation has been continuous, with a short pause during the pandemic. He said that in most cases, they don't want to excavate beyond what they have the capacity to properly analyze and preserve. It's common for researchers to leave a certain amount in the ground because as soon as something ancient is exposed to air and light it will deteriorate rapidly. Often archaeologists will re-bury stuff just to preserve it. They know that better methods of analysis will be devised in the future, so better to leave something for later researchers to assess. The land where GT was discovered was cultivated farm land for centuries before it was ever known as an archaeological site. The owner initially had to permit the excavation and later he was reimbursed. There have been extensive ground penetrating scans done so they knew where trees could be planted w/o disturbing construction or artifacts. And erosion has been a huge problem there. The trees are actually part of a plan to slow erosion while helping the farmer recoup some of his lost income.
38:34 this is crazy. It's like the story of the ten years old Egyptian kid in luxor who got his leg stuck in King tut Tomb and Howard carter ran to it. His name was Hussein Abdelrasoul and he is photographed with king tut necklace, and he actually looks like the mask of king tut. Crazy stuff. Those little kids always find things..
Thanks for doing this, thanks to all of you who do this on here from you, Flint Dibble, to Milo Rossi, Dr. David Miano and many others. You're very much appreciated for your work on pushing back on the ideas put forth by folks like Graham Hancock and others. I appreciate not only that you do it, but how you go about doing it. Cheers.
Finally some fighting back against the anti-intellectualism. (Remember Rogan and musk stans. That a mixture between unrigorous, mostly just a charisma authority playground high as a kite, an open mind so the brain fell out equivalent of speculation is not. intellectualism.)
@@lastofmygeneration I was much more of a fan of his podcast back in the day as well. The Covid thing just melted his brain which was always a bit mushy to begin with, but there was an innocence about it, a fun enjoyment about his show back then. Now days, not so much.
I certainly enjoyed your lecture. My only advice from a geologist's perspective is next time you debate Mr. Handcock, have some slides on cleavage, conjugate fractures, and structural geology, particularly with limestone(Bimini Road) and granite(Sage wall).
Thank you, Flint Dibble, for conducting this insightful interview with Professor John Hoopes. I'm not usually someone who spends more than 10 minutes on RUclips, but I watched the entire interview-it was very captivating! I truly appreciate what Dr. Hoopes has been doing, especially given his decades of dedication to these topics. This conversation has sparked a strong interest in further exploring the incredible enigmas of Puerto Rico, where I live, and the Antilles. I look forward to more interviews like this in the future!
Graham has a point, he's only asking questions. There are archaeologists in the series not just Graham and he's doing good work and makes a lot of sense. Like c'mon look at all these huge stones, symbolism across the world. Ya could maybe give him some credit. He'll probably be influencing and has influenced more people looking into these things not such a bad thing. Why is there no funding? What's the point if you can't fund these things, how long will you wait? Maybe no one should say anything until research is done, no funding so don't do it, that's great archaeology!
Flint and Hoopes very cool show. You both are great and i realy realy appreciate your work. I am sucker for history and archeology. But this is inspiring even for my study environment and science on how to deal with the challenges we face in the future with climate change.. Thanx thanx thanx. 😎 PS: sorry for my bad English but I am from the Netherlands.
The internet is making it a lot easier for us who have not gone to archeology school to do research. Though a lot of research papers are blocked for us/behind pay walls, we have google scholar now and can access your work. When I was a kid, there was no internet, I had to go to the library to do research, and the library books were old by the time I got to them. My encyclopedia set was out of date by the time I bought it. 😆😆😆😆
When i was an studying archaeology in college, I had the pleasure of having a class with Olivier deMontmillion at Pitt and he had a great line for this: we dont know what we dont know, but we can figure out the best guess. Nothing graham presents is close to a best guess
Great to see that at 1:08:47 you weren't afraid to reframe the argument about public outreach, disproving notions of Archaeologys alleged collusionary nature. Actions speak louder than words.
Fascinating and insightful. I hope more people see this and start to recognize the difference between infotainment and genuine research and scholarship.
I actually really like the introduction Mr Hoopes does here, with the story about him writing about Atlantis as a teenager. Because it's a great story how an interest in the fantastical can lead towards getting people excited about science. I'm sure there's a lot of wisdom in that story about how we can approach people interested in pseudo-archeology and pseudoscience in general. Most people interested in pseudo-archeology are probably very interested in scientific archeology, but just haven't been "reached" by the right people.
As a Graham Hancock fan, this video itself was so much more better than the new season. Very well presented data, and explanation given by both parties here. I love Hancock, its a fascinating subject to ponder upon but folks if you are like me and love the JRE podcasts with Graham, just give it some thought and effort. Get into other channels like Stefano Milo, Minuteman and more. As much I like to wonder how these megalithic architecture was made or how the Pyramids were constructed, its all out there. Do not underestimate what humans could do, organised labour was definitely the lost technology of these ancient settlements or civilizations. Try organising labour today lol
Whats wrong with admitting we don't know a lot about our ancient human past? Im 54 and have felt this since the 5th grade when first reading about ancient society.
I hate the way Graham hides from criticism 1. If you criticise the substance of what he's saying then he says "I'm not an academic, I'm just a journalist reporting what other people are doing" 2. if you point out that he's not reporting academic consensus, then he's an investigative journalist, revealing untold information 3. If you point out that he's not a reliable source to be curating information, then you are engaging in as hominem He can't have it both ways - either he's engaging in an academic discussion and needs to defend his claims or he's asking us to trust him as a journalist and his personal reliability should be under scrutiny
That's because he's nothing but a scammer. Flint is being overly kind to him. Scammers can't show any weakness because they need their fans to be brainwashed. That means he has to be correct 100% of the time. If he is not the source of truth for his fans, his fans will find out he's lying. So when confronted with something he can't dispute, he just flips to claiming he's a victim. It's a tactic called DARVO used by abusers.
Great show guys. 57 years old and wish i'd spent the last 40 years paying more attention. Thanks to a number of things over the years, i've always had a lot of interest. Time Team was a great show we had in Britain, not sure how far it was viewed. Sadly show like Ancient Aliens know how to capture the public interest, while real archaeology is restricted to facts. Thankfully the internet has provided a great resource for people like me who are too old to go to Uni, but like to learn. I noticed a new "Fact Checking Dibble" video has popped up on the Grahham Hancock Official Channel, i won't be watching. Wishing you all the best for the future.
Time team is awesome! It used to be on the ABC here in Australia, my whole family used to sit down and watch it. I love Europe for the history, everywhere you look there's echos of the past. I keep meaning to visit but never get around to it due to $ issues or family issues. I'm almost 50 now, better pull my finger out.
Time Team is back! It's crowdfunded on RUclips for free (with Patreon perks for supporters). They even partnered with English Heritage to do a longer dig at Sutton Hoo this year (episodes still in production). Some of the archaeologists do episodes on things they're doing elsewhere too.
Flint, this was awesome! You and Prof. Hoopes really broke it down and made the archaeology so easy to follow. Love the way you guys are already debunking the Ancient Apocalypse claims before they drop. Thanks for keeping it real
South America *is* under explored because of the extreme nature of its geography. That's why he still finds untouched artifacts & why lidar finds entire lost cities. It's not an insult, it's a fact.
@@FlintDibble I did. My statement still stands. That's why there's still ongoing lidar mapping missions discovering entire urban centers in areas that are still difficult to access.
New discoveries and shifting paradigms run archeological funding. There is no financial incentive for “big archeology” to keep information from the public or throw out new discoveries. In fact, across scientific fields, the opposite is true. There is financial pressure to publish new information, and sometimes this pressure can result in sloppy, manipulated research. This is why the peer review process needs to happen BEFORE the sensational headlines are printed.
But you are using reason and logic. Those don't apply. That's why Gobekli Tepe is used to show how science is dogmatic and paid to avoid the truth, but at the same shows that new discoveries are praised and heavily rewarded once found. They don't even see the duplicity in their own arguments because they know they aren't honest.
I've always been really fascinated with the various southeastern mound building civilizations, and the huge expansive continent spanning trade networks, the Hopewellian exchange, I live near Marksville, where the eponymous Marksville culture was centered, the Tunica Biloxi tribe built a state of the art facility to preaerve and study the Tunica Treasure, and it's amazing. What I find most interesting are how these grea cities and civilizations seem to collapse, and the cities abandoned ....and sometimes never occupied again, or not for many many years. Something I've always been curious about....there seem to be a whole lot of parallels between the Soutbern Ceremonial Complex, it seems to me that there had to have been some sort of migration of groups from central America, up through mexico , along the coasts and into the interior who brought some aspects of their culture...at the very least they brought corn, and aspects of their religion , like worship of a female goddess of fertilty, corn, and the moon, the green corn dance in her honor seems pretty widespread along with that , there's also the long nosed god , this culture of mound building which perhaps could be a manifestation of the pyramid building culture, the worship of a large horned serpent , there are graves with obvious sacrificial victims ..., If that interaction came from the south and spread along the southeast , can you trace that migration pattern by the traces of corn that they brought ? Is there any evidence for that?
Dr. Dibble! Love your work. Love what you're doing for the archaeological community and the public with your channel. You're the fucking man. I'm currently studying at UWF to become an underwater archaeologist with a prehistoric focus. I'm loving every minute of it. Now, this is totally random, but I was wondering if you'd be willing to make a video about everything that's wrong with the movie Fool's Gold (2008) starring Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson. I just rewatched it and it's so cringey considering everything that I've learned so far. Keep up the great work, Professor!
I have a hard time picturing the psychology of these people. Their ratio of time to labor might have been so different. Their ratio of animal to human must have been so different. Their ratio of human to open space must have been so different. Their speed of technological development was so different. So much was different that I find it hard to fit myself into those times. 21:00 My observation is that some of those art pieces look more like pictograph writing than like pure artistic decoration.
Hancock plays the victim of some conspiracy, it's all out of the far-right handbook which is why he's so beloved by people who fall for these types of false victimisation narratives from famous white men. he's peddling myths and getting paid for it, while undermining the people who do this work very seriously and have done for many decades.
Graeme spreads misinformation and cries about "mainstream archeology" not taking him seriously to make it sound like he's being suppressed even though he has a Netflix deal and is best buds with the worlds largest podcaster. He's a toolbag.
Its remarkable, especially when looking at segments like 1:26:00, that Graham ignores the real wisdom and lessons that we can learn from prior peoples; and instead Graham shoves all that aside and insists on a fantasy globe-spanning civilization with near-modern technology (which they apparently never used). There is so much to learn about real archeology, and to learn from it. Presenters shouldn't need to fake anything. And especially if the message is that civilizations of the past can give warnings to us today; there were plenty of civilizations and groups that rose and fell as their environment changed. The real evidence CAN show what Graham purports that his faked evidence shows! I think that is a point you have made, but it flies over many people's heads.
What's this!?! It's that Dastardly Dibble with a chair!!! He's sitting in the chair! Uh oh! He's deploying his signature move, FACTS'n'LOGIC! BAHGAWD! Dibble just laid out Hancock! Somebody call the match!
This is great. Real archaeologists talking about real archaeology with real interesting information and it also goes to show how really bad the pseudo-archaeology channels are by comparison.
While working on my content for Real-Archaeology I found a reference of "discovering" a village in my town in the mid-18th century, which we knew from earlier English records was an established indigenous site as of the 17th century. And then the 19th century work includes so many fake artifacts. I feel like half my research is being spent fighting with the history.
Thank you so much for doing this. I greatly appreciate you bringing experts on to share their knowledge and the current information with the world. I really love this idea of a "pre-bunk" vs a "debunk" to give everyone an idea of the current understanding instead of just responding to random issues raised.
the beautiful stone knives are very colourful! they look like jewels! beautiful, i wish i could find something like that. my only old object that i have ever found, is a small cross from baroque times in europe, made of copper. it was while gardening in my parents garden.
You make such a great job, teaching people, what real archeology is like. I'm beyond proud ... One of the early books I read was about the discovery of Tutankhamun and I was a big fan of archeology since then and wanted to be an archeology (although later I chose another way). Unfortunately I fell down the alternate archeology-pipeline a few years ago. People like you pulled me out. I had started to doubt science in general (and science has always been one of my biggest interests until then) ... what shows how dangerous this path ist. Now I read every paper I get a hold on, if I'm interested in something.
Definitely a good video. A lot of good information there. I would like to bring something up though. I know that Graham Hancock and Netflix and Joe Rogan are the big topic now, but personally when I look at the bigger picture of why people are falling into The pseudo-archeology and relating to it more. This really is a problem with the History channel as a lot of people look at the History channel as an authority and in the early 2000s they started pushing pseudo-archeology and pseudoscience stuff very heavily. Myself included fell into some of those traps and really how I learned about Graham Hancock. You know I was in high school back then so of course my mind was impressionable. And of course I loved archeology and history so I'm like wow all this cool stuff that no one's talking about. I really hope that you all will start holding them accountable as well because I believe it's where all of this has really started and don't get me wrong. I have no problem with Graham Hancock and I have no problem with him having his opinions or ideas but he doesn't give evidence saying something looks the same or saying that two different civilizations did the same thing at the same time was not evidence for another culture teaching people You have to imagine that if the trajectory of both cultures is the same, it's only logical that they start figuring out the same things at the same time. I digress please hold the History channel accountable too.
I love all the Hancock stans whining in the comments. Just watch the video and look at *actual* evidence. Not some guy going: „It LOOKS like it’s connected, therefore it HAS to be“
@@patrickquinlan no I don’t. I have seen enough of his claims with no evidence behind them, other than conjecture and „what ifs“. Maybe you should try to read some actual scientific literature. But you’re not going to do that, because it’s against your anti intellectual cult beliefs.
For those who don’t like the term prebunk for this remember this won’t even be a prebunk as long as Graham doesn’t present bunk. They are just predicting what he might say and presenting evidence that is real around the period they’re expecting to be discussed.
Hell yeah! You're a rock star as far as I'm concerned Dr. Dibble. More pro-intellectualism and critical thinking in the broader public discourse, especially in North America, USA. You'll always have this guy's support! 🤘🏼✊🏼
Sea levels rose 400ft at the end of the last Ice Age about 10k years ago. In the last 5 million years, there have been 5 ice age events. The last ice age ended around 11,700 years ago, after a period of rapid melting between 18,000 and 6,000 years ago. The end of the ice age was marked by a shift in the Earth's orientation towards the sun, which melted the ice sheets in the northern hemisphere. Some other factors that may have contributed to the end of the last ice age include: Weakening of the Gulf Stream This caused warm air and seawater to move south, and pulled carbon dioxide from the deep ocean into the air. Salty water from the Indian Ocean A drop in sea level cut off a current that normally diluted the Indian Ocean's salty waters, causing a large amount of salty water to pour into the Atlantic Ocean. This may have altered the currents and temperatures in both hemispheres. The period after the last ice age is known as the Holocene, the current geological epoch. According to scientific consensus, over the course of Earth's history, there have been at least five major ice ages, including the most recent "Quaternary Ice Age" which is still technically ongoing today; however, within the last million years, there have been numerous glacial cycles within this Quaternary Ice Age, not just five distinct "events.". Key points about ice ages: Five major ice ages: Scientists identify five major ice ages throughout Earth's history: Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo, and Quaternary. Quaternary Ice Age: The most recent ice age, which began around 2.6 million years ago and continues today, is called the Quaternary Ice Age. Glacial cycles: Within the Quaternary Ice Age, there have been many cycles of glacial advances and retreats, with several major glacial periods occurring within the past million years.
I really appreciate the prebunking- i know really little about mesoamerica / the americas, so having this perspective before I watch the show is perfect
I don’t know that it’s the slam dunk Hancock thinks it is. Especially the metallurgy argument. Hancock did the same thing that nasty piece of work Dan did. He showed Dr Neff’s reply to Dan, showed Flits warning to Neff that Dan was almost certainly going to use his words without context, (spoiler) he did. But both neglected to show that Dr Neff said that the reason they are not looking for human metallurgy is because there would be several indicators to suggest that it had happened, evidently it has not. They both also neglected to mention that Neff (the guy studying these ice cores) does not believe in their ancient civilisation. I’m disappointed that Hancock put his weight behind Dan. Hancock and Dibble seemed quite civil despite Hancock constantly playing the professional victim, but that Dan guy is one of the most toxic people in this space. It’s a shame this topic has sunk to his level.
@@casualviewing1096 _"I’m disappointed that Hancock put his weight behind Dan. Hancock and Dibble seemed quite civil despite Hancock constantly playing the professional victim, but that Dan guy is one of the most toxic people in this space. It’s a shame this topic has sunk to his level"_ It does seem as if Hancock is either desperate or having a breakdown. He also hired Holly to write the most difficult to read article that tried to attack Milo and the evidence he presented.
Keep in mind all the points Flint made in the debate that Hancock didn't "fact-check" in his video today. Each of them alone disprove Hancock's civilization. We can now assume on those points Hancock believes Flint is correct.
hey thank you flint for doing what you do. I used to be a grahm hancock and joe rogan fan. I was watching s1 of ancent apocalypse, and I was loving it and believing everything. Then Grahm showed off the Piri Ries Map, and I was fascinated. I decided to look up the map to know more, but in doing so, I realized Grahm was misrepresenting it! with just wikipedia, i realized that the map wasnt showing antarctica, but just a curled bersion of brazil. I felt like I was hoodwinked! what other things was Grahm misrepresenting? I had wikipedia open for the rest of the show. Seeing you go toe to toe with Grahm on the Joe Show was really good. you did an amazing job of making your case. I really liked what you were doing! I wish there were good modern documentaries by netflix about the real stuff. Grahm show is very compelling because he goes to all the locations, has drone shots, and has an overall mystery he's trying to solve. I wish there were shows about the real stuff that had all these things. Like if they made a Guns Germs and Steel series or something. anyways, im watching s2 of the show, and I think I am convinced by the footprints in new mexico
You should look into what he said about Malta. It's bad enough he claims they don't have valid carbon dating, he also twisted their video responses to make it seem like they agreed with him.
Funny, I actually stopped believing in this crap also because of the Piri Reis map. Just that instead of it being Hancock, it was Colin Wilson, a man who was arguably much smarter than Graham and an even greater and more deceptive hack. He also spread this idea that the Piri Reis map shows Antarctica when it obviously does not.
Very enjoyable video. Thanks for sharing this info with us. On your note about destruction of archaeological sites…I remember starting in 2014 hearing how ISIS (then IS or ISIL) were targeting archaeological sites and similar. Terrible 😱 I wish I could be a fly on the wall when a team gets their first glimpse at a brand new LIDAR image. The level of excitement and anticipation must be incredible.
I found this presentation to be riveting. Life is way too short to spend a second on Hancockian baloney when reality is so wonderful. I feel awful for the way Hancock and his sincophants treated Dr Dibble. Flint reslly seems to have hit a nerve amongst them!
Flint, you're probably aware GH has recently produced a video where he claims to debunk a lot of your assertions during your debate on Joe Rogan show. Which he calls 'Fact checking Dibble'. I would be interested in a video of your response to that. Keep up the good work.
00:34:35 I think you have this slightly wrong, because you are trying too hard to say that Hackcrock is not a racist. The truth is that the _racism_ fuelled the belief that brown or red-skinned people could not POSSIBLY have built these things, so there MUST have been a superior, ancient, lost, pale-skinned race that built them. The _racism_ seeded and fuelled the Atlantis twaddle in the 19th century. The belief in Atlantis did *not* fuel the racism. Or at least did not originally seed it. {:o:O:} _(Edited for tyops)_
@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici Have you ever paid attention to the accomplishments attributed to the influence of Atlantians? They are overwhelmingly those by Non-White Peoples, disproportionately so. Plato's Atlantis was a thought experiment. The current theories around Atlantis actually existing and inspiring later civilizations tends to be invoked to explain the accomplishments of Non-White Peoples, in the process implying that there is no way those peoples had the intelligence to accomplish those things on their own. This almost never happens to the accomplishments of White Folks. In this way Atlantis serves as a way to diminish the accomplishments and intelligence of Non-White people and civilizations, while leaving those of Whites almost completely intact. Especially because some Atlantis proponents (admittedly not Hancock, but he does aid in funnelling people to these people) propose that the Atlantians were White.
Sorry but never once does anyone say what color skin an ancient race would be. Some say Atlantis was in Africa, some in Caribbean some say a lost continent etc etc… who is saying they’re Norwegian? That sounds like a you problem… before the brown Incas there was probably other brown people that had better methods of stone working than the Incas. Just saying there was a more advanced civilization doesn’t mean the advanced people were white. That’s your own prejudice
Hello Prof. Dibble, I appreciated hearing your debate on the JRE. I was already pursuing a bachelors degree in History and your debate made me realize that with the prevalence of misinformation about archeology and history that I should begin to pursue a career in education to hopefully help people understand more about both fields to leave less room for those misinformation pitfalls lurking on the internet to entrap unsuspecting people.
@@Joshua-le1vn My aunt believes in giants because she saw a photo on a blog site that claimed they were real and showed images from a photoshop contest which had giant skeletons. Finding a picture online and taking it as fact is not good research.
@@Joshua-le1vn My aunt believes in giants because she saw someone say they were real on Facebook, then followed a link to a blog that had pictures of giant skeletons from a photoshop contest, which she didn’t know the origins of and simply took as fact. Being able to teach people how to do quality research so they don’t believe things like that and are able to conduct quality research on their own is important to me personally.
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Graham Hancock's son is a producer at Netflix who was instrumental in having this farce made in the first place, what a twat. It's his fault I have to constantly debunk this nonsense to friends and family who just like to watch Netflix casually on an evening.
@@FlintDibble hi Flint. Big fan. Hancock just responded to your debate with him. Are you going to respond?
@@FlintDibble I enjoy your RUclips shows and heard your colleague plead for more funding. In Florida, politics is having a detrimental effect on science, and I imagine that affects archaeology as well. You joked about Netflix doing a real archaeology series and I think that is a great idea. If not Netflix, perhaps another venue. Shows that show the excitement real archaeology has, And expose some of the hokey theories getting all the attention...and money. Thanks. And I watched Hancock rebuttal to your debate. It's like asking someone to disprove God, that he puts his proof on the undiscovered evidence. Can't prove him wrong until we researched the entire ocean . A safe moneymaking hypothesis.
@@arak5502 yes ofc
@@xmars8get out of here lmao
This always makes me laugh. There was a real human being, a skilled craftsman, that made and lost each Clovis point we find. Each represents somebody thinking "god damnit, now I've got to make another one" or "this is ridiculous, I've got to keep better track of my tools." It's funny and humanizing.
As a chronic "not again..." type person, i was gonna remark out that this was part of the reason why we dont find shafts as often (even where wood would preserve) because the shaft took many many maaany more hours to make; whereas points were even kept in caches. that led to remembering that not all caches are lost by misplacement, and made myself sad.
Or they died and that’s when they parted with it
God save your kids in the next amnesia event. You barely started to think and analyze your past yet you speak from a place of confidence. You are living in a slave monetary system yet you speak like a king. Nothing is "ridiculous" you see.
@@jakubgadzala7474 That’s a ridiculous comment.
@@jakubgadzala7474😂. Amnesia event? Here’s the nice thing about our civilisation, unlike this mysteriously ‘advanced’ Ice Age Civ that Hancock posits went around the globe ‘civilising’ the stupid natives. Unlike this amazingly advanced civilisation of Atlantis we WRITE: hence we can RECORD our history. That’s why this period of time Hancock is looking at is known as pre-historic. So unless we all suddenly forget how to write the likelihood of an ‘amnesia’ event is unlikely, no matter what catastrophe human stupidity produces.
And if you can’t see the aporia in Graham’s ‘lost’ civilisation being so advanced it can ‘mould’ stones and other high tech feats, but not thinking to WRITE, a single THING, welp, I’m afraid I will have to assume you are as apparently stupid as your comment!
One thing about "reaching people". When I started reading about actual archaeology and drifting away from the Graham type ideas, I was really surprised to learn just how much was written about subjects I had heard form the alternative types, that "archaeologists are ignoring". I think a big part of this is historians and archaeologists live in a sort of bubble and take for granted the stuff they know, while on the outside almost no one has ever heard of it.
I agree and I'm working on being better at getting out of the bubble and assuming no prior knowledge while still sharing the details of what we do
@@FlintDibble Flint, I think you're easily one of the best at presenting it to a wider audience. Your love for the subject shines through - please keep that love for the subject forever! Don't let any internet trolls ever tarnish that. Also, your respect and pride in your father's work is also palpable, and it adds a wonderful human touch to your presentation, and it does so in a humble way. And your way of presenting your own work is also great; you show that, even though it's a complex subject, all the evidence converges to groups of ancient people doing things - and we can all relate to that.
You come across as perfectly approachable and friendly. It's ironic that the anti-establishment pseudoarcheology fans gravitate to Graham, who portrays himself like a British university lecturer (though a very approachable one). It shows something about them; they crave an academic authority figure who is fighting the establishment, because they want to latch onto that. They want to feel like they are smarter than the establishment - but they don't want to do the work that would require; so they gravitate to Graham because they think Graham has done the work.
@@chrisedwards3866 YES.
@@FlintDibbleyeah it seems most archaeologists aren’t great speakers to like the limelight. Graham loves the limelight and loves nothing more than yapping for hours into the ether, and he’s don’t it so much he’s good at it (until you actually challenged him live and he melted 😂😂)
I don't think grahams hypothesis is even the one that makes the most sense for an ancient lost civilization.
They had the ability to travel the seas and share information BEFORE the cataclysm, but they decided not to. Then a cataclysm happens and the few survivors decide to completely change their motivations and spread out to share information now that it's much harder to do... instead of re-building and re-populatiig?
We see signs of shared construction techniques as a base across the world, but those techniques veer off in different directions from the foundation, and each civilization crafted their own ways of building.
This seems to suggest they all shared knowledge and building techniques before the cataclysm. Then they got cut off from each other after the cataclysm, leaving each civilization to go their own path from the techniques they once shared.
Graham likes his hypothesis because it leans towards a chosen few people who saved the world. It's fantastical and appealing, but it's not even the hypothesis that makes the most sense for his lost civilization.
So in addition to Googledebunking we can now do GooglePrebunking?!? Heck yes!!!
Hell yea! In fact misinformation research suggests it's even more effective and sticky to inoculate people against misinformation
@oscura70percent 💯
Flint was super ahead of the game! I mentioned that may be a good idea, ans Hoopes let me know they made a video 2 hours before [ mentioned it. 😂
I'm totally putting "GooglePrebunker" on a t shirt now
GOOGLEPREBUNKERS!! 😂😂
I'm seeing so many of those Clovis points that don't appear to be fluted at all. It's not my area of expertise so i'm just wondering what that is about....
Has a ratio been determined for fluted/unfluted? Are there specific periods or areas related to these? Or is there a relationship with the material used perhaps making some flint types less suitable for fluting and others more suitable for taking the risk of creating flutes?
I know generally speaking fluting developed from small to larger from early Clovis up to the Folsom period but it seems there is more going on than just that gradual increase. And these points without any fluting at all seem to be overlooked usually.
The way that the modern geography of Newark OH is influenced by decisions made by people thousands of years ago is fascinating.
Hancock released a "fact check" of the debate this morning. He provided evidence of why you wouldn't find any evidence...because that makes sense.
I was just on that page today and boy were they ready.
You don't understand what the words you use mean.
@Jrush-v8o Not really surprised that a group of people who don't understand what actual evidence is also wouldn't understand what an actual lie is.
What
have a look on the hancock subreddit,his fans are lapping it up
As an Indigenous person the distinction between recording and discovery is appreciated and an anti racist view of how he does his work. Much respect.
Who is indiginous? fundamentally none of us are
@@AuntyKsTarot you know you didn’t actually discover anything, right?
@@Tompanelli1 - The actual builders and their descendents.
@@Tompanelli1 Shut it dimwit.
@@William-Ocean I’m Lakota. Get off my land settler
Clovis culture is what got me interested in archeology. When I was a kid, the idea that there used to be mammoths where I grew up and people hunted them with pointy sticks blew my mind. Thank you for covering this topic.
Yeah but that’s not true
@@JimMcJohnson how so?
@@ksumrz Clovis is the idea that humans came to the Americas like 13k years ago. We know for a fact that they’ve been here for like 25+
@@JimMcJohnson That doesn't disprove that people hunted mammoth in the Americas though. If anything, it gave them more time to do so.
The original poster was just saying that finding out about the Clovis people drove their interest in archeology. Your reply was that "that" (that seemingly referring to the original post's claim that finding out mammoth were hunted in their area) wasn't true when really I think you wanted to say was that the Clovis FIRST hypothesis has been disproven.
@@JimMcJohnson Clovis is a Native American culture that thrived in North America for a thousand years or so. They may not represent the very first people to inhabit the Americas, but they were most certainly the first culture widespread enough to leave a massive archeological signature. Clovis points are littered all over the U.S..
I have to say it is really nice to see people standing up for actual facts, and backing up all their points with sources. I see so many people choosing the people who have “all the answers” because it’s more satisfying than hearing people rightly saying “we don’t know and we might never know, but here are the facts we have”
This is going to sound a little odd, but I can't express how appreciative I am of you, Flint. I'm currently ABD, and the last few years working through language exams or quals left me exhausted and burnt out, second-guessing decisions, etc. Your enthusiasm for archaeology and pushing back on all of this pseudo-nonsense has genuinely affected me positively and made me realize again how lucky and privileged we are to do what we do. It's hard work, but it's worth it, and even though certain people denigrate our profession, what we're contributing matters. Thanks for bringing it back to perspective.
Thanks!
@@ryanculpeper2706 word! Still. Fortunate to have Graham Hancock s. Point of view. To. Add to. It all
9:08 where is timestamps guy?
So when he was playing the part of Graham Hancock he mispronounced his own name Hoopes. Accuracy.
Haha yeah we realized that too when editing in that segment
hi @FlintDibble! can you direct me towards the piece John Hoopes speaks about from John Wesley Powell, where he essentially confesses to having previously believed the falsehoods about an earlier 'white race' having been wiped out by 'savages'? i'm not sure where to look. much appreciated!
Yeah i pointed out on the Hancock fact check video that the 3 million shipwrecks are estimates based on formations that always end up being shipwrecks. Of those 3 million mapped locations, theyve only investigated a fraction of them. In one of hancocks videos he was talking about underwater Archaeology only going after shipwrecks. Imagine ignoring the obvious target and deciding to just go digging around on the continental shelf without a target. Graham seems to think archaeology has limitless resources to just go digging around if they come up empty 500 times he wouldn’t care about the wasted resources, the damage to the the environment, and wouldn’t care what the people who lost money think about the next dive. If archeologists have a target and somehow get the funds to do a dive, theyre going to look for something with a high chance of success. Those mapped shipwrecks all but guarantee that success. And yes of the thousands of shipwrecks that have been explored, none confirm Graham’s theory.
It's just a pathetic type of Monty Python skit. If we manage to search the entire Sahara, Hancock will just cry about the Amazon. When that fails, it will be Antarctica. After that the entire ocean. And once everything is searched it would be go back and check again.
Hmm "Of those 3 million mapped locations" Untrue statement, its (Unesco) 3 million "estimated" wrecks, they are not mapped, only 1% (30,000) of that estimated 3 million have been found or are mapped/explored.
I have no opinion on a lost civilisation but i know only around 20,000 sunken ships have GPS coordinates & mapping requires the site to be known not estimated as you cant map a site without a location.
The irony is that Hancock is a multi-millionaire, with millions of fans who would help crowd fund ANY archaeological research he cared to do. He'd literally have more funding at his disposal than most actual archaeological work. But he DOESN'T do that....almost as if it might make writing more books and TV programs difficult for some reason...... I WONDER WHY!!!
@@MaxBreak The estimate is based on the profile that a shipwreck makes when it creates a habitat on the floor. Those 3 million are estimated based on how many of these habitats they found. The question is where do you think the 3 million number comes from? You think the scientists are just throwing insanely high numbers out there just to throw off conspiracy theorists? You can check their website to see where the number comes from. Do you think archaeologists just say ok weve found 20k shipwrecks on this amount of ocean floor, so if we multiply the amount of sites by how much ocean floor is left we get 3 million!? It’s completely absurd. You can go to Unescos website and read how they came to the estimate. Like i said its based on profiles of things that they have seen! Google it lol
@@davidcauley9400 Maybe because this class of "academy" is so against him. Gee, ever heard of catching "more bees with honey"?
Flint, I watched Graham Hancock's Fact Check video. Kept thinking he's about to say ' The dark side of Archeology is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.'
@@Haufpunk what
Flint has a secret crush on Graham.
What grade are we in?
lmao
Maybe increases his views? 🤔
He could debunk someone that no one's ever heard of.
@@Eyes_Openthis guy didn’t go to school
This was extremely interesting, John Hoopes is a very talented and clear speaker and this presentation went so far beyond the Hancock Drama. I was especially moved by his comments about the future of archeology and the way he sees it going back to the hands of those that it was seeking to undermine historically. Thank you for giving us this Flint!
John is a gem of a scholar and public speaker
@@FlintDibble His focus on central America and The Caribbean even is something you don't see a lot of. And very interesting! I lived there myself and he just kind of blew my mind pointing out how much more habitat there was with lower sea levels. I deal with that a lot in my own research concerning the Solutreans so i know how little that allows us to find out. And his area must be much worse to research! What an excellent guest Flint and thanks for having him on. 😀
Hoopes helped me so much when I was doing a pseudoarcheology project for my final project. He was such an amazing resource, and I am extremely grateful for his knowledge, enthusiasm, and willingness to help.
@@forestdweller5581thanks for your kind comments. The Isthmo-Colombian area hasn’t gotten as much attention as either Mesoamerica or the Andes, but I think it’s central to understanding the long-term dynamic of the Americas.
The Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico as the “American Mediterranean” connected North America with Mesoamerica, Central America, the northern Andes, the Orinoco and Amazonia, and the Antilles.
@@William-Oceanit’s the same “oo” sounds as in “good looks”-a historical pronunciation that goes back to North Yorkshire in the 16th century.
my daughter is an english teacher she uses prebunking but she calls it scaffolding, i think its brilliant, so much more effective that chasing someone who is gish-galloping
Brilliant.
Scaffolding is a bit different. It's something more effective for a classroom where you have the same students, so you can build them step by step towards a learning outcome
On youtube that's more difficult because you have different viewers for different videos
Hopefully as I build my audience I can do more scaffolding as that is a very effective pedagogical tool
@@FlintDibble i should have said similar, that is more accurate, but i think prebunking like you did here and on joe rogan's show was brilliant and helped a lot of people, thank you
It's such a useful thing to teach that can serve them so well in the future. Graeme Handcock would disagree though
I use pre bunking as a librarian doing misinformation courses.
I took a class with Professor Hoopes at KU and that one course has shaped the way I look at history and archaeology (and pseudo-achaeology). I have tons of respect for him. He always makes good points and backs them up with evidence. And changes his views when justified.
@@Fradormat are you married to him? Its not normal to review a scientist in this way. Maybe a postgrad student.
it's weird that u think u have to be merried to someone to respect a scholar. Backing claims with empirical evidence and intellectual honesty/flexibility is something to be lauded. That's just how good science gets done
@@virutech32 merried is a Freudian slip. Obvioysly.
@@Fradormat thanks so much for that! For a teacher, instructor, or professor, hearing that they made a difference is the best thing ever. It’s truly what keeps us going. ❤️
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I’m sorry I’m not an academic or even smart forreal so idk who’s right or wrong but geesh this more entertaining than anything else going on right now
One side has big claims with little to no evidence. Shouldn't be hard to see who's wrong.
(It's Graham)
@@swagikuro I said I was sorry
@@TheeMaddScienctist Graham Hancock, on the Joe Rogan podcast, says himself that there is no evidence for his claims
at least you are interested in real scientific discussion. Thats a good thing. And appearantly rare in todays world. Hopefully you get better at discerning the difference. Im surely need to train more.
@@TheeMaddScienctist its okay i still love you
Hi Flint, there’s only so many videos I can watch and I struggle to find great sources online because I just don’t know where to look. You touched on universities putting things behind a paywall.
Question: How do we do our own research when so much is hidden from the public? And I understand it’s a university and not a “big archaeology” issue. I would say a lot of these topics are relevant to my trade and it’s frustrating that we’re limited to watching RUclips.
To be very frank. It's impossible. You can't do your own research at a high level without access to a university level library, as well as access to primary materials, archives, artifacts, etc.
It's why the phrase do your own research doesn't actually make sense. In the end, you need to figure out who you trust and who you don't to provide an accurate and up to date perspective on a field of study. Only professionals can actually be professional researchers
I know it's maybe not the answer you want. But it is the reality
On the plus side, there are big moves to democratize knowledge, from scholarly literature to datasets to professionals sharing their expertise with wider audiences. This channel is an example of that trend
You have more access to expert knowledge than people have ever had in the past. So I recommend chasing it down and learning from it
@@FlintDibble this is exactly the type of answer I needed actually so I appreciate the time you’ve taken to actually reply with a very detailed answer. I feared this would be the case, I’m only allowed to buy so many books 🥲.
It’s because of guys like yourself I know who to trust in the first place, so keep up the good work mate. All the way from sunny Scotland.
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In the 1990's I was working as a river guide in Honduras. We used to hear about the "lost White City" located somewhere in La Moskitia. One guy came to our office wanting to hire us. It was a little out of our area that we usually went, but who wouldn't be interested? Nothing ever came out of that.
But it is cool that someone actually found it maybe 10 years later. One guy I knew, a Honduran ecologist, or maybe a botanist? was actually involved in the exploration where they ended up finding and publishing their results.
However, they didn’t find “it.” What has been found in eastern Honduras hasn’t been “white” and hasn’t been “cities.” The reality is that there are hundreds or thousands of abandoned villages and towns that remain to be documented. A LiDAR survey just about anywhere is likely to find them. There is not just one, but many.
By the way, there is no “Monkey God.” That fantasy came from collector George Heye, who thought there would be evidence in Honduras for worship of the Hindu deity Hanuman. It was exaggerated in a 1940 tabloid story to be something more like what appeared in the blockbuster film “King Kong” (1933). Nope.
But “the White City” is not a real place. Archaeological survey in the region of the Río Patuca and the Río Plátano has revealed hundreds of archaeological sites, including many large abandoned settlements. The “Lost City of the Monkey God” is not a city and there is no monkey god. It’s all hype.
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Yes, that's all correct of course.
That's why I put the expression in quotes. We literally had people coming to our office and suggesting we help them find the "White City".
And, to be honest, I was definitely interested. But nothing ended up happening.
Why no fluted points in Central/Southern Illinois?
Flint, will you do a video with your impression/thoughts on the recent Lex Fridman interview of Dr. Ed Barnhart? I really Like his approach regarding pseudo archaeologists (and the like). Additionally, his knowledge of Meso and South America is incredible.I would however appreciate your perspective of the status quo.
Hancock: "Archeologists won't consider my ideas"
Archeologists: "Okay, let's talk about Hancock's ideas"
Hancock fanboys: "Nooo, addressing his ideas means you're just trying to get clout!"
Hancock's fans need to decide what they want.
After all, you're free thinkers; you wouldn't want people just believing everything Hancock says because he said so, right?
You forgot to mention that any criticism of his ideas is actually just an attempt to cancel him. It's a very obvious DARVO tactic.
Not what I'm doing but okay
@@NinjaMonkeyPrimeI don't think that arguing his ideas is trying to cancel him. I think there's been misrepresentation and genuinely debunking. Two separate things.
@@brendenbaxter5304 Of course telling Hancock why he's wrong isn't trying to cancel him. But because Hancock is a scammer he can't accept the evidence that he's wrong. That's why he either claims he's a victim or just flat out lies and claims his ideas are ignored. He's still claiming that the underwater pillars near Nan Madol are stone but we've known for decades they are coral. And that's just one example.
@@brendenbaxter5304 “I never worry about hurting the feelings of the good officers when I draw officer cartoons. I build a shoe, and if somebody wants to put it on and loudly announce that it fits, that’s his own affair.” -Bill Mauldin
Flint here is what you need to do. Right now your public exposure relies on the echos of anything Graham Hancock. If you want to make compelling arguments stop going after Hancock. Start going after the evidence, publish on that. Give to the people a new perspective this is what Hancock has done. Stop trying to please your academic colleagues. Build yourself.
he wouldnt get as many views though
But going after the evidence is going after Hancock. You can't separate them because Hancock's entire narrative is built on lying about the evidence.
go directly after hankook, period. he is living off the work of archaeologists and historians while he is simultaneously insulting them, oh, and has no evidence to support his silly theory.
nah, its fun watching hancock squirm and react and get all butthurt, hancock knows he is grifting, he knows it.
I think this is his own grift. He’s obscure unless he attacks. Pretty much internet 101. He can’t just make good content because he’s not good at making good content, he has to attack.
Thanks for this! I’m a music teacher fascinated by archeology, especially paleo.
I’m wondering how much we know about music in these places in ancient Americas?
I don’t think we can say much about that until we have ceramic whistles, flutes, ocarinas, and drums.
I found what may be a pottery drum on Lake Arenal in Costa Rica that appears to date to 1800 BCE.
@@JohnHoopes2 thanks! Are there no reliefs, or other visual medium, that depicts music making or dancing?
I would assume that ever since humans had the capability to vocalize sounds we began to mimic what we heard in our environment. Which leads me to think that we were singing like birds long before somebody had the novel idea of carving holes into a hollow stick or reed and blowing through it.
There are quite a few Hindu temples some of which have no known age attributed to them that have depictions of instruments as well as there are some carved reliefs that could be interpreted as showing animated movement such as dancing similar to how the modern concept of dynamism can depict motion in a static image.
Well thank you. I just learned a whole raft of stuff here. My career has been in biology (fish & wildlife) and I know the kind of dread you feel with disappearing archeological sites, just like we as field biologists spend an awful lot of time carefully documenting the demise of one species after another of animals and plants. Once it's gone it's gone folks, don't squander what's left.
💯 but in a bad way. We need to keep pushing on this to save what we can and change our behavior
I can't believe how utterly interesting, calming and refreshing I'm finding these conversations. I am quite politically interested, but those topics are always source for upset and worry. I have also always been interested in archaeology, but I never thought just listening to two people talking about it - even for hours - was going to be so pleasant. Maybe it's because I'm getting old and just need more of that intellectually stimulating but calming content 😁
@@leandralocke3869 i find archaeology much more calming than politics!
@@medicare4colcness27 It definitely is, hehe. These days I can barely stand getting any updates on world politics because everything is pretty bleak.
It’s calming to hear information that is properly framed. I’m also engaged in politics (mostly out of necessity) but it’s exhausting trying to parse out valuable information from hype, spin and outright lies. Listening to people who are intellectually honest talk about information that they understand well yet are also upfront about what they don’t know allows me to turn down that vigilant hyper-critical part of my brain and just receive information.
Man I love how Prof Hoopes is so passionate about the subject! Loved listening to you both!
If archaeologists didn't want to uncover and report on things that challenge the orthodox narrative, how do we know about Gobekli Tepe? Wouldn't any indoctrinated archaeologist, when they realized the t-shaped pillars were from a culture that pre-dated the Sumerians, Norte Chico, Egyptians etc, and would "turn archaeology on its head", have reburied it, told the farmer they could just plow around it, and write up a report saying (essentially): "nothing to see here"?
Yeah, you're exposing just a little of the hypocrisy in their argument. Not only should they have ignored Gobekli Tepe, Schmidt should have had his career ruined for finding it. But reality shows the opposite happened. Their narrative is delusional when compared to reality.
@@russellmillar7132 Well, less than 10% uncovered , and the people in charge of gobekli tepe have stated there won't be any significant excavations anymore. And then they went and planted hundreds of olive trees on top of the site. So...
@@Miniboss_Mike Well that's curious, isn't it? Sounds like you have watched a you tube video by a guy who I don't consider very bright, despite the name of his channel.
I saw an interview with the lead archaeologist, Lee Clare, and he said excavation has been continuous, with a short pause during the pandemic. He said that in most cases, they don't want to excavate beyond what they have the capacity to properly analyze and preserve. It's common for researchers to leave a certain amount in the ground because as soon as something ancient is exposed to air and light it will deteriorate rapidly. Often archaeologists will re-bury stuff just to preserve it. They know that better methods of analysis will be devised in the future, so better to leave something for later researchers to assess.
The land where GT was discovered was cultivated farm land for centuries before it was ever known as an archaeological site. The owner initially had to permit the excavation and later he was reimbursed. There have been extensive ground penetrating scans done so they knew where trees could be planted w/o disturbing construction or artifacts. And erosion has been a huge problem there. The trees are actually part of a plan to slow erosion while helping the farmer recoup some of his lost income.
@@russellmillar7132 Yup. Sounds very much like they reburied it and said No this to see here.
@@Miniboss_Mike Would you like to rephrase that? Not sure I get your point. Ciao.
38:34 this is crazy. It's like the story of the ten years old Egyptian kid in luxor who got his leg stuck in King tut Tomb and Howard carter ran to it. His name was Hussein Abdelrasoul and he is photographed with king tut necklace, and he actually looks like the mask of king tut.
Crazy stuff. Those little kids always find things..
Wish you would have talked about Cahokia and other Mississippian cultures.
Great interview as usual! Just curious, do you ever work with musicologists on projects?
Thanks for doing this, thanks to all of you who do this on here from you, Flint Dibble, to Milo Rossi, Dr. David Miano and many others. You're very much appreciated for your work on pushing back on the ideas put forth by folks like Graham Hancock and others. I appreciate not only that you do it, but how you go about doing it. Cheers.
Thanks!
Finally some fighting back against the anti-intellectualism. (Remember Rogan and musk stans. That a mixture between unrigorous, mostly just a charisma authority playground high as a kite, an open mind so the brain fell out equivalent of speculation is not. intellectualism.)
@@JimunuI used to be a fan of Rogan. That came to an end when he started spewing COVID nonsense. It's a shame. The man has reach.
@@lastofmygeneration I was much more of a fan of his podcast back in the day as well. The Covid thing just melted his brain which was always a bit mushy to begin with, but there was an innocence about it, a fun enjoyment about his show back then. Now days, not so much.
What a crazy world we live in. Thank you for your work and sanity. Everything is upside in America now. Help
I’m really enjoying Hoops clarifications and explanations through history forward
I certainly enjoyed your lecture. My only advice from a geologist's perspective is next time you debate Mr. Handcock, have some slides on cleavage, conjugate fractures, and structural geology, particularly with limestone(Bimini Road) and granite(Sage wall).
Thank you, Flint Dibble, for conducting this insightful interview with Professor John Hoopes. I'm not usually someone who spends more than 10 minutes on RUclips, but I watched the entire interview-it was very captivating! I truly appreciate what Dr. Hoopes has been doing, especially given his decades of dedication to these topics. This conversation has sparked a strong interest in further exploring the incredible enigmas of Puerto Rico, where I live, and the Antilles. I look forward to more interviews like this in the future!
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Graham has a point, he's only asking questions. There are archaeologists in the series not just Graham and he's doing good work and makes a lot of sense. Like c'mon look at all these huge stones, symbolism across the world. Ya could maybe give him some credit. He'll probably be influencing and has influenced more people looking into these things not such a bad thing. Why is there no funding? What's the point if you can't fund these things, how long will you wait? Maybe no one should say anything until research is done, no funding so don't do it, that's great archaeology!
Hancock does more than ask questions. He makes claims and casts aspersions on academic knowledge. It is an old strategy.
Flint and Hoopes very cool show. You both are great and i realy realy appreciate your work. I am sucker for history and archeology. But this is inspiring even for my study environment and science on how to deal with the challenges we face in the future with climate change.. Thanx thanx thanx. 😎
PS: sorry for my bad English but I am from the Netherlands.
The internet is making it a lot easier for us who have not gone to archeology school to do research. Though a lot of research papers are blocked for us/behind pay walls, we have google scholar now and can access your work. When I was a kid, there was no internet, I had to go to the library to do research, and the library books were old by the time I got to them. My encyclopedia set was out of date by the time I bought it. 😆😆😆😆
Have you ever conversed with Chris Naunton (he has a YT channel) about Egyptology?
When i was an studying archaeology in college, I had the pleasure of having a class with Olivier deMontmillion at Pitt and he had a great line for this: we dont know what we dont know, but we can figure out the best guess.
Nothing graham presents is close to a best guess
I love me some Funt Dubble
Great to see that at 1:08:47 you weren't afraid to reframe the argument about public outreach, disproving notions of Archaeologys alleged collusionary nature. Actions speak louder than words.
Are you decoding gurus by any chance?
@@frederickthegreatpessimist2343 No I just worded that very strangely, do like them though.
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Ah okay.
One of them is called Chris Kavanagh...
I thought you might be his private account ;)
@@frederickthegreatpessimist2343 Nah just from good Irish stock aswell ;) , didn't realise he was a Kavanagh.
Fascinating and insightful. I hope more people see this and start to recognize the difference between infotainment and genuine research and scholarship.
Googledebunker reporting for duty
Hello from Uzbekistan. I really enjoyed your debate with Hancock😄
I actually really like the introduction Mr Hoopes does here, with the story about him writing about Atlantis as a teenager. Because it's a great story how an interest in the fantastical can lead towards getting people excited about science. I'm sure there's a lot of wisdom in that story about how we can approach people interested in pseudo-archeology and pseudoscience in general. Most people interested in pseudo-archeology are probably very interested in scientific archeology, but just haven't been "reached" by the right people.
As a Graham Hancock fan, this video itself was so much more better than the new season. Very well presented data, and explanation given by both parties here. I love Hancock, its a fascinating subject to ponder upon but folks if you are like me and love the JRE podcasts with Graham, just give it some thought and effort. Get into other channels like Stefano Milo, Minuteman and more.
As much I like to wonder how these megalithic architecture was made or how the Pyramids were constructed, its all out there.
Do not underestimate what humans could do, organised labour was definitely the lost technology of these ancient settlements or civilizations. Try organising labour today lol
Whats wrong with admitting we don't know a lot about our ancient human past? Im 54 and have felt this since the 5th grade when first reading about ancient society.
I hate the way Graham hides from criticism
1. If you criticise the substance of what he's saying then he says "I'm not an academic, I'm just a journalist reporting what other people are doing"
2. if you point out that he's not reporting academic consensus, then he's an investigative journalist, revealing untold information
3. If you point out that he's not a reliable source to be curating information, then you are engaging in as hominem
He can't have it both ways - either he's engaging in an academic discussion and needs to defend his claims or he's asking us to trust him as a journalist and his personal reliability should be under scrutiny
That's because he's nothing but a scammer. Flint is being overly kind to him. Scammers can't show any weakness because they need their fans to be brainwashed. That means he has to be correct 100% of the time. If he is not the source of truth for his fans, his fans will find out he's lying. So when confronted with something he can't dispute, he just flips to claiming he's a victim. It's a tactic called DARVO used by abusers.
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“Prebunking” is the most apt and hilarious thing I’ve heard all day. Give ‘em hell Flint.
Great show guys. 57 years old and wish i'd spent the last 40 years paying more attention. Thanks to a number of things over the years, i've always had a lot of interest. Time Team was a great show we had in Britain, not sure how far it was viewed. Sadly show like Ancient Aliens know how to capture the public interest, while real archaeology is restricted to facts. Thankfully the internet has provided a great resource for people like me who are too old to go to Uni, but like to learn. I noticed a new "Fact Checking Dibble" video has popped up on the Grahham Hancock Official Channel, i won't be watching. Wishing you all the best for the future.
@woodsyshroomer I loved watching time team! definitely sparked my interest in history and archeology as a kid in the UK
Time team is awesome! It used to be on the ABC here in Australia, my whole family used to sit down and watch it. I love Europe for the history, everywhere you look there's echos of the past. I keep meaning to visit but never get around to it due to $ issues or family issues. I'm almost 50 now, better pull my finger out.
Time Team is back! It's crowdfunded on RUclips for free (with Patreon perks for supporters).
They even partnered with English Heritage to do a longer dig at Sutton Hoo this year (episodes still in production). Some of the archaeologists do episodes on things they're doing elsewhere too.
@@tristanmills4948 Amazing info. I had no idea. Cheers, mate.
Keep up the great work, gentlemen ❤
Flint, this was awesome! You and Prof. Hoopes really broke it down and made the archaeology so easy to follow. Love the way you guys are already debunking the Ancient Apocalypse claims before they drop. Thanks for keeping it real
Wow great Episode, thank you! You are correct in saying we do not or at least I did not learn indepth about these civilizations .
South America *is* under explored because of the extreme nature of its geography. That's why he still finds untouched artifacts & why lidar finds entire lost cities.
It's not an insult, it's a fact.
Um, maybe watch the video. We discuss a lot of that
Funny thing about the LIDAR discoveries is that we already knew the people existed.
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@@TrivettTurner bruh they are actively turning the ruins into corps fields. Much about history is setting a narrative no?
@@FlintDibble I did. My statement still stands. That's why there's still ongoing lidar mapping missions discovering entire urban centers in areas that are still difficult to access.
Thank you. That was an amazing interview. Very interesting and informative.
Just saying.
New discoveries and shifting paradigms run archeological funding. There is no financial incentive for “big archeology” to keep information from the public or throw out new discoveries. In fact, across scientific fields, the opposite is true. There is financial pressure to publish new information, and sometimes this pressure can result in sloppy, manipulated research. This is why the peer review process needs to happen BEFORE the sensational headlines are printed.
💯 that is discussed several on this channel with regards to the homo naledi claims
But you are using reason and logic. Those don't apply. That's why Gobekli Tepe is used to show how science is dogmatic and paid to avoid the truth, but at the same shows that new discoveries are praised and heavily rewarded once found. They don't even see the duplicity in their own arguments because they know they aren't honest.
I've always been really fascinated with the various southeastern mound building civilizations, and the huge expansive continent spanning trade networks, the Hopewellian exchange, I live near Marksville, where the eponymous Marksville culture was centered, the Tunica Biloxi tribe built a state of the art facility to preaerve and study the Tunica Treasure, and it's amazing. What I find most interesting are how these grea cities and civilizations seem to collapse, and the cities abandoned ....and sometimes never occupied again, or not for many many years.
Something I've always been curious about....there seem to be a whole lot of parallels between the Soutbern Ceremonial Complex, it seems to me that there had to have been some sort of migration of groups from central America, up through mexico , along the coasts and into the interior who brought some aspects of their culture...at the very least they brought corn, and aspects of their religion , like worship of a female goddess of fertilty, corn, and the moon, the green corn dance in her honor seems pretty widespread along with that , there's also the long nosed god , this culture of mound building which perhaps could be a manifestation of the pyramid building culture, the worship of a large horned serpent , there are graves with obvious sacrificial victims ...,
If that interaction came from the south and spread along the southeast , can you trace that migration pattern by the traces of corn that they brought ? Is there any evidence for that?
Doc John mfn Hoopes! Love your work sir! Hilarious how triggered the mere mention of your name triggers Hancock and his Acolytes!
Really appreciate your YT channel Doc. 🤘
Dr. Dibble! Love your work. Love what you're doing for the archaeological community and the public with your channel. You're the fucking man. I'm currently studying at UWF to become an underwater archaeologist with a prehistoric focus. I'm loving every minute of it. Now, this is totally random, but I was wondering if you'd be willing to make a video about everything that's wrong with the movie Fool's Gold (2008) starring Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson. I just rewatched it and it's so cringey considering everything that I've learned so far. Keep up the great work, Professor!
I have a hard time picturing the psychology of these people. Their ratio of time to labor might have been so different. Their ratio of animal to human must have been so different. Their ratio of human to open space must have been so different. Their speed of technological development was so different.
So much was different that I find it hard to fit myself into those times.
21:00 My observation is that some of those art pieces look more like pictograph writing than like pure artistic decoration.
But Graham Hancock never says his opinion is the facts and end of discussion. Just his personal theory. Why does it upset u so much .
Because Graham also lies about the facts
Why does Hancock have to lie about the evidence that doesn't fit his narrative?
Hancock is pertually offended by archaeologists not believing his "not facts" theories.
Hancock plays the victim of some conspiracy, it's all out of the far-right handbook which is why he's so beloved by people who fall for these types of false victimisation narratives from famous white men. he's peddling myths and getting paid for it, while undermining the people who do this work very seriously and have done for many decades.
Graeme spreads misinformation and cries about "mainstream archeology" not taking him seriously to make it sound like he's being suppressed even though he has a Netflix deal and is best buds with the worlds largest podcaster. He's a toolbag.
Its remarkable, especially when looking at segments like 1:26:00, that Graham ignores the real wisdom and lessons that we can learn from prior peoples; and instead Graham shoves all that aside and insists on a fantasy globe-spanning civilization with near-modern technology (which they apparently never used).
There is so much to learn about real archeology, and to learn from it. Presenters shouldn't need to fake anything. And especially if the message is that civilizations of the past can give warnings to us today; there were plenty of civilizations and groups that rose and fell as their environment changed. The real evidence CAN show what Graham purports that his faked evidence shows!
I think that is a point you have made, but it flies over many people's heads.
Presentiiiiing Professor John! The Main Antagonist! Hooooooopes!
What's this!?!
It's that Dastardly Dibble with a chair!!!
He's sitting in the chair! Uh oh! He's deploying his signature move, FACTS'n'LOGIC!
BAHGAWD! Dibble just laid out Hancock! Somebody call the match!
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I lowkey wish there was an archaeology mafia so far this whole Hancock versus Milo and Dibble narrative is fucking hilarious
Ps love the archeology
Archeology ninjas with trowels and paintbrushes.
This is great. Real archaeologists talking about real archaeology with real interesting information and it also goes to show how really bad the pseudo-archaeology channels are by comparison.
While working on my content for Real-Archaeology I found a reference of "discovering" a village in my town in the mid-18th century, which we knew from earlier English records was an established indigenous site as of the 17th century. And then the 19th century work includes so many fake artifacts. I feel like half my research is being spent fighting with the history.
Thank you so much for doing this. I greatly appreciate you bringing experts on to share their knowledge and the current information with the world. I really love this idea of a "pre-bunk" vs a "debunk" to give everyone an idea of the current understanding instead of just responding to random issues raised.
the beautiful stone knives are very colourful! they look like jewels! beautiful, i wish i could find something like that. my only old object that i have ever found, is a small cross from baroque times in europe, made of copper. it was while gardening in my parents garden.
Top respect to Hoopes. Dibble, Joe Rogan just rinsed you out brother!!
You mean Rogan is back in love with Hancock? Shocking.
You make such a great job, teaching people, what real archeology is like. I'm beyond proud ... One of the early books I read was about the discovery of Tutankhamun and I was a big fan of archeology since then and wanted to be an archeology (although later I chose another way). Unfortunately I fell down the alternate archeology-pipeline a few years ago. People like you pulled me out. I had started to doubt science in general (and science has always been one of my biggest interests until then) ... what shows how dangerous this path ist. Now I read every paper I get a hold on, if I'm interested in something.
So COOOOL! You were able to get “the man” on your channel. Well, done, Flint. Great to see Dr. Hoopes! ❤❤❤
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Definitely a good video. A lot of good information there. I would like to bring something up though. I know that Graham Hancock and Netflix and Joe Rogan are the big topic now, but personally when I look at the bigger picture of why people are falling into The pseudo-archeology and relating to it more. This really is a problem with the History channel as a lot of people look at the History channel as an authority and in the early 2000s they started pushing pseudo-archeology and pseudoscience stuff very heavily. Myself included fell into some of those traps and really how I learned about Graham Hancock. You know I was in high school back then so of course my mind was impressionable. And of course I loved archeology and history so I'm like wow all this cool stuff that no one's talking about. I really hope that you all will start holding them accountable as well because I believe it's where all of this has really started and don't get me wrong. I have no problem with Graham Hancock and I have no problem with him having his opinions or ideas but he doesn't give evidence saying something looks the same or saying that two different civilizations did the same thing at the same time was not evidence for another culture teaching people You have to imagine that if the trajectory of both cultures is the same, it's only logical that they start figuring out the same things at the same time. I digress please hold the History channel accountable too.
I love all the Hancock stans whining in the comments. Just watch the video and look at *actual* evidence. Not some guy going: „It LOOKS like it’s connected, therefore it HAS to be“
You need to watch more Hancock videos. Try reading his books. Your comment really betrays your ignorance.
@@patrickquinlan no I don’t. I have seen enough of his claims with no evidence behind them, other than conjecture and „what ifs“. Maybe you should try to read some actual scientific literature. But you’re not going to do that, because it’s against your anti intellectual cult beliefs.
@@patrickquinlan You mean like the book about the pyramids on Mars? Or maybe how he lies about carbon dating on Malta?
@@shingasa4725 You don't know me so don't waste your dumb assumptions.
Great job Flint! Loving the discussion!
Love the concept, inoculation is easier that rehabilitation!
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I didn’t realize how long this was but I’m still here at the end I learned so much in this one!
For those who don’t like the term prebunk for this remember this won’t even be a prebunk as long as Graham doesn’t present bunk. They are just predicting what he might say and presenting evidence that is real around the period they’re expecting to be discussed.
_"as long as Graham doesn’t present bunk"_
Of course he will. It's his whole business model.
@@AlbertaGeek exactly, that’s why they can confidently call it a prebunk
I'm definitely amused. prebunking! I love it.
Hell yeah! You're a rock star as far as I'm concerned Dr. Dibble. More pro-intellectualism and critical thinking in the broader public discourse, especially in North America, USA. You'll always have this guy's support! 🤘🏼✊🏼
Sea levels rose 400ft at the end of the last Ice Age about 10k years ago. In the last 5 million years, there have been 5 ice age events.
The last ice age ended around 11,700 years ago, after a period of rapid melting between 18,000 and 6,000 years ago. The end of the ice age was marked by a shift in the Earth's orientation towards the sun, which melted the ice sheets in the northern hemisphere.
Some other factors that may have contributed to the end of the last ice age include:
Weakening of the Gulf Stream
This caused warm air and seawater to move south, and pulled carbon dioxide from the deep ocean into the air.
Salty water from the Indian Ocean
A drop in sea level cut off a current that normally diluted the Indian Ocean's salty waters, causing a large amount of salty water to pour into the Atlantic Ocean. This may have altered the currents and temperatures in both hemispheres.
The period after the last ice age is known as the Holocene, the current geological epoch.
According to scientific consensus, over the course of Earth's history, there have been at least five major ice ages, including the most recent "Quaternary Ice Age" which is still technically ongoing today; however, within the last million years, there have been numerous glacial cycles within this Quaternary Ice Age, not just five distinct "events.".
Key points about ice ages:
Five major ice ages:
Scientists identify five major ice ages throughout Earth's history: Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo, and Quaternary.
Quaternary Ice Age:
The most recent ice age, which began around 2.6 million years ago and continues today, is called the Quaternary Ice Age.
Glacial cycles:
Within the Quaternary Ice Age, there have been many cycles of glacial advances and retreats, with several major glacial periods occurring within the past million years.
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I love all of this #RealArchaeology ! Keep up the amazing work and videos.
I really appreciate the prebunking- i know really little about mesoamerica / the americas, so having this perspective before I watch the show is perfect
You gotta fire back at Hancock's latest video about you, there's something about his frst 2 points, he still failed at the racism part though
He is indeed a failure at racism
I will
I don’t know that it’s the slam dunk Hancock thinks it is. Especially the metallurgy argument. Hancock did the same thing that nasty piece of work Dan did. He showed Dr Neff’s reply to Dan, showed Flits warning to Neff that Dan was almost certainly going to use his words without context, (spoiler) he did. But both neglected to show that Dr Neff said that the reason they are not looking for human metallurgy is because there would be several indicators to suggest that it had happened, evidently it has not. They both also neglected to mention that Neff (the guy studying these ice cores) does not believe in their ancient civilisation.
I’m disappointed that Hancock put his weight behind Dan. Hancock and Dibble seemed quite civil despite Hancock constantly playing the professional victim, but that Dan guy is one of the most toxic people in this space. It’s a shame this topic has sunk to his level.
@@casualviewing1096 _"I’m disappointed that Hancock put his weight behind Dan. Hancock and Dibble seemed quite civil despite Hancock constantly playing the professional victim, but that Dan guy is one of the most toxic people in this space. It’s a shame this topic has sunk to his level"_ It does seem as if Hancock is either desperate or having a breakdown. He also hired Holly to write the most difficult to read article that tried to attack Milo and the evidence he presented.
Keep in mind all the points Flint made in the debate that Hancock didn't "fact-check" in his video today. Each of them alone disprove Hancock's civilization. We can now assume on those points Hancock believes Flint is correct.
A roborative experience djentlemen. Thank you for your service.
hey thank you flint for doing what you do. I used to be a grahm hancock and joe rogan fan. I was watching s1 of ancent apocalypse, and I was loving it and believing everything. Then Grahm showed off the Piri Ries Map, and I was fascinated. I decided to look up the map to know more, but in doing so, I realized Grahm was misrepresenting it! with just wikipedia, i realized that the map wasnt showing antarctica, but just a curled bersion of brazil. I felt like I was hoodwinked! what other things was Grahm misrepresenting? I had wikipedia open for the rest of the show.
Seeing you go toe to toe with Grahm on the Joe Show was really good. you did an amazing job of making your case. I really liked what you were doing!
I wish there were good modern documentaries by netflix about the real stuff. Grahm show is very compelling because he goes to all the locations, has drone shots, and has an overall mystery he's trying to solve. I wish there were shows about the real stuff that had all these things. Like if they made a Guns Germs and Steel series or something.
anyways, im watching s2 of the show, and I think I am convinced by the footprints in new mexico
Yep those footprints are phenomenal and have been studied and well published by scientists
You should look into what he said about Malta. It's bad enough he claims they don't have valid carbon dating, he also twisted their video responses to make it seem like they agreed with him.
Funny, I actually stopped believing in this crap also because of the Piri Reis map. Just that instead of it being Hancock, it was Colin Wilson, a man who was arguably much smarter than Graham and an even greater and more deceptive hack. He also spread this idea that the Piri Reis map shows Antarctica when it obviously does not.
Very enjoyable video. Thanks for sharing this info with us. On your note about destruction of archaeological sites…I remember starting in 2014 hearing how ISIS (then IS or ISIL) were targeting archaeological sites and similar. Terrible 😱
I wish I could be a fly on the wall when a team gets their first glimpse at a brand new LIDAR image. The level of excitement and anticipation must be incredible.
We need more actual intellectuals in the social space. Glad youre here!
Keep this up!!!
I found this presentation to be riveting. Life is way too short to spend a second on Hancockian baloney when reality is so wonderful.
I feel awful for the way Hancock and his sincophants treated Dr Dibble. Flint reslly seems to have hit a nerve amongst them!
Flint, you're probably aware GH has recently produced a video where he claims to debunk a lot of your assertions during your debate on Joe Rogan show. Which he calls 'Fact checking Dibble'. I would be interested in a video of your response to that. Keep up the good work.
He has a comment about it and says he will do a video later.
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I think you have this slightly wrong, because you are trying too hard to say that Hackcrock is not a racist.
The truth is that the _racism_ fuelled the belief that brown or red-skinned people could not POSSIBLY have built these things, so there MUST have been a superior, ancient, lost, pale-skinned race that built them. The _racism_ seeded and fuelled the Atlantis twaddle in the 19th century. The belief in Atlantis did *not* fuel the racism. Or at least did not originally seed it.
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@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici Have you ever paid attention to the accomplishments attributed to the influence of Atlantians? They are overwhelmingly those by Non-White Peoples, disproportionately so.
Plato's Atlantis was a thought experiment. The current theories around Atlantis actually existing and inspiring later civilizations tends to be invoked to explain the accomplishments of Non-White Peoples, in the process implying that there is no way those peoples had the intelligence to accomplish those things on their own. This almost never happens to the accomplishments of White Folks.
In this way Atlantis serves as a way to diminish the accomplishments and intelligence of Non-White people and civilizations, while leaving those of Whites almost completely intact. Especially because some Atlantis proponents (admittedly not Hancock, but he does aid in funnelling people to these people) propose that the Atlantians were White.
Sorry but never once does anyone say what color skin an ancient race would be. Some say Atlantis was in Africa, some in Caribbean some say a lost continent etc etc… who is saying they’re Norwegian? That sounds like a you problem… before the brown Incas there was probably other brown people that had better methods of stone working than the Incas. Just saying there was a more advanced civilization doesn’t mean the advanced people were white. That’s your own prejudice
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Hello Prof. Dibble, I appreciated hearing your debate on the JRE. I was already pursuing a bachelors degree in History and your debate made me realize that with the prevalence of misinformation about archeology and history that I should begin to pursue a career in education to hopefully help people understand more about both fields to leave less room for those misinformation pitfalls lurking on the internet to entrap unsuspecting people.
@@Ragumeatsauce such as?
@@Joshua-le1vn My aunt believes in giants because she saw a photo on a blog site that claimed they were real and showed images from a photoshop contest which had giant skeletons. Finding a picture online and taking it as fact is not good research.
@@Joshua-le1vn My aunt believes in giants because she saw someone say they were real on Facebook, then followed a link to a blog that had pictures of giant skeletons from a photoshop contest, which she didn’t know the origins of and simply took as fact. Being able to teach people how to do quality research so they don’t believe things like that and are able to conduct quality research on their own is important to me personally.
Congratulations on your academic pursuits and best of luck!