Nothing stated in this video is inherently problematic to the Islamic narrative, since most of what was said was speculation, guesswork and assumption.
@@tucosalamanca984 Vowel marks and sometimes did not even consistently use other diacritical marks to distinguish consonants (MISSING) big problem for being able to translate it.
Word for word you just described Christianity to a tee, not Islam or the Quran. Christians would be over the moon if they found a portion of the "Bible" in Aramaic, not English written during the time of Jesus.
@@rashadabdulazeem5387 Did you just say English was a language at the time of Jesus? 🤣 English wasn't even spoken, it was Greek my friend and it was a universal language given that Rome was the center of all trade, the Bible was written for the Jew and Gentile, so it makes complete sense that scripture wouldn't be in Aramaic, furthermore, the oldest Quran is 4 Surahs, and there isn't a complete one until long after Muhammed, whereas our most well preserved Bible is about 1700 years old.
The Birmingham folio is written on parchment so the Radiocarbon date is the date when the animal whose skin it was, died. This means that the parchment which is the bit that could be radiocarbon dated (only living organisms like animals and plants can be), could and probably is older than the writing on it. As for the writing, that is dating based on known writing techniques, styles and composition of the inks used. It can't be dated by any method similar to C14. I've heard about the Birmingham Folio and to be honest, I didn't think it proved or disproved anything. It is interesting though. I'm a Christian so I believe in honesty. As a qualified archaeologist I have to explain the seeming misconception in the video.
@@kaptaink1959camel hides and goat hides had been used for parchment during these times and yes many times they would be kept for very long periods without anything written in them and in a desert environment they would be able to be kept intact for extremely long periods of time due to the inability to rot. I find your lack of understanding disheartening
Grew up as a Muslim, studied AND memorized the entire book / Hadiths in Arabic (not my native tongue) Got my ass kicked as a child by teachers at the Quran school for questioning good ol' 'prophet' and his sci-fi claims. But I'm thankful I studied the nonsense for me to be able to call it what it is.. NONSENSE!
Ali dawah: miracles of Quran, is nonsense and debunked. It's a reason only 1% of muslim have won Nobel prize in science even when they are billions of them. Because it's no science in Quran.
@@FormerKafir, yes Islamic allah because Muslims claim allah means god, trying to insert their fake god into the Bible. There is more than enough proof that Islamic allah is not the same God of Abraham and Moses, our true Creator who gave His ETERNAL name to Moses, Yehovah. Same Yehovah who said He is the only God and the only saviour (yeshua in Hebrew) then He *manifested* as Yehoshua (Yehovah-saviour) to do exactly that to restore what Adam has lost, making a way to get delivered from satan's bondage and restore our personal relationship with our Father. "Strangely" exactly what Islam try to hide, exposing allah for who he really is. Please show me in the Quran where the entity that squeezed Muhammad identified himself. Since this "revelations" contradict all previous scriptures including what the real angel Gabriel said, it is quite obvious coming from another source, the same one who deceived Adam in the garden still trying to keep his slaves from the promised new covenant and the Saviour.
1. the writing style of that Arabic text contained in the animal skin is very close to the writing style of the Aramaic text, which also proves that it was still evolving from the Aramaic language, proving that it mustve been very old. around the times of 700AD. 2. The text had NO harakat. proving that it mustve been older than 900AD-1000AD. Harakat was only introduced in the 8th-9th century.
@@ZedShahin they use the same scientific methods to authenticate the apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas and call it a fabrication and find out the exact years it was written because in the gospel of Barabas Jesus denied being the son of GOD and mentioned the name Muhammad PBUH. 😁
If you want it to be a fair comparison pick one of the NT books, or we be comparing the Bible to the whole Hadith collection and you don't want that, I promise
the booklet called quran is silly and you know it: So We instructed, “Strike the dead body with a piece of the cow.” This is how ˹easily˺ Allah brings the dead to life, showing you His signs so that you may understand.
true the Parchment in this case which is a goat skin. the goat died 1500 years ago and then it was preserved and then someone thousand years ago or maybe 1450 years ago wrote on it. it could have been written in the 1920s when it was brought to the UK right? secondly, this Quran is written in Hijazi script that goes back to between 650-700 AD there are no Harkat vowels on it . the vowel in the Arabic language was introduced in the 8th/9th century
@@lkae4 Because parchment was very expensive, older books were frequently "recycled" by having the writing scraped off and the parchment reused in a new book. This reused document is called a palimpsest.
Muslims Began Using Diacritical Marks Because Errors Began to Appear. The Arabic writing system was still in development during the time of Muhammad, so the Qur'an was originally written without today's diacritical marks. These were added years after the final Qur'anic revelation and Muhammad's subsequent death. The problem with this is the addition or subtraction of diacritical marks radically alter the meaning of Arabic text, thereby potentially altering Allah’s book. Early manuscripts of the Qur’ān did not use diacritics either for vowels or to distinguish the different values of the rasm. who invented diacritical marks in arabic? a man name, Abu al-Aswad devised a system of dots to signal the three short vowels (along with their respective allophones) of Arabic. not even an Arab . a. quran with diacritical marks or b. quran without diacritical marks or c. recitation of quran or d. quran of tablet in heaven . which is the true quran? my friends! Ancient Arabic had no vowels/harakat. this system came 100 yeaes later. muslim said quran was from al lah's tablet in haven, which is located between eyes of an angel, to jibril to mu ham mad to 1st 7reciters to according to according................ hafs and warsh and etc etc. so my friend in al lah's tablet in paradise which quran is written on it? a very simple question, my friend
Qur'an with diacritical marks or without them is the same thing its just a difference in writing, the recitation of the Qur'an never been changed for more than 1400+ years since it was first revealed, so option a, b, and c, are the same option smartass. and in your last paragraph you say "so my friend in al lah's (HIs name is ALLAH All Mighty, you ugly disfigurer) tablet in paradise which quran is written on it?" which is a completely unrelated question to the matter at hand, but to which shaykh Bin Baz may god have mercy on him says: (And it was written in the Preserved Tablet, this and that, God spoke it, and it is preserved in the Preserved Tablet, just as it is preserved in the breasts (hearts), and preserved in the Qur’an now, and it is the word of God revealed, uncreated, written in the Preserved Tablet, preserved in the breasts (hearts), and preserved in the Qur’an, wherever it may be. It was heard, it is the word of God, it was preserved, it is the word of God, and it was written, it is the word of God.) and for you to expect us to answer how things are written in the preserved tablet is simply foolish. only Allah سبحانه وتعالى knows that. for all you know it can be even written in a language different than arabic.
and like they say @CandiceGoddard says and said ! "The Birmingham folio is written on parchment so the Radiocarbon date is the date when the animal whose skin it was, died. This means that the parchment which is the bit that could be radiocarbon dated (only living organisms like animals and plants can be), could and probably is older than the writing on it. As for the writing, that is dating based on known writing techniques, styles and composition of the inks used. It can't be dated by any method similar to C14. I've heard about the Birmingham Folio and to be honest, I didn't think it proved or disproved anything. It is interesting though. I'm a Christian so I believe in honesty. As a qualified archaeologist I have to explain the seeming misconception in the video." just some Accredited Reposting
Another thing I would like to say about the video is when he says some things the Quran says to be true, where do you think people got the stories from REALITY or what was going on at the time, and as Muslims know that Jesus or Issus or Isa was a prophet and we believe in the Second Coming of Christ so what I wanted to say is there was a hunt for Maximilian and his friends, and dul'qar-nan or who YOU say is Alexander the Great could have been a person Allah put such greatness into, and an example of Allah being kind and great are you being alive and god put into detail how horifc HELL is going to be so you can stay far from it also and I loved your video but at the end, you said something along the lines of AnD YoU ShOuLd JoiN ChwCItans BEcUsza We HavE A AcuTlAY LoOVING GOD and i agree with you but WE do too you only see the bad becuase you are in a relegon that sorry with this is rude but kinda sorta sugercoats almost everything and after wirting this i say i might just pick up the bible and contrast it becuase to know you friend-nemi so to them. THE END haha EDIT : also what I wanted to say about Jesus as we know and follow some of it and it is not WIERD that we have some of it in our holy book. Here is a link to the Quran online IF this even slightly opened your heart quran.com/ i recommend reading the first then scrolling all the way down to AN-Nas then from An-Nas to Al-Mursalat the end of the Quran is shorter and more easy then Al-Musalat is 50 ayats it is in our mind half of the average Ayats
Many people here creating their own happiness At the expense of logoc and their certainty that Islam is the truth ,i invite everyone to research Islam and all religions
Mohammad’s memory so that he would recite it to his folks, they in turn were supposed to have memorized it and even wrote it on wood, leather,..etc. To say that the Fat’ha diacritic( not only this one, we have Kasrah, Dhammah & Shadda & Sukoon as well as Waqf( halting) without which a recitation can lead to an alternate meaning. The Arabic alphabet letters had no tittles, so ( s) would be prone to be (S) or (sh), and so on. This forms the most critical challenge, not the Fat’ha and Kasrah because the latter ones were “ pronounced” without needing to make them visible physically. It is a unique feature with Arabic language that you find yourself driven to make the object ( Maftooh) with a Fat’ha diacritic pronounced, and also a Dhamma to make any subject (Madhmoom). I may use this example here to make it easy for you: When you speak English, you can’t help but use an auxiliary verb while in Arabic there isn’t such a thing, you have to say ( Ali is clever) and never ( Ali clever), while in Arabic it goes like (Ali clever = علي ذكي ). The thing is that in Arabic it is critical to use diacritics to show which of two nouns brought in one sentence is the subject and which of them is the object, the sequence is of varieties that an object can precede the subject suggesting each of them to take the place of the other, in English language the sequence is decisive and you at once realize which of them two nouns is the object or the subject. So Arabs are driven to use a diacritic( orally) and be saying ( Kitaba / كتابَ, not just Kitab/كتاب, or Daru/دارُ not just Dar/ دار)m Arabs are known to never land( end their speech) on a Sukoon, the last letter of the last word in a sentence has to be Mutaharrik(Diacriticed). Take this example: ‘Aaya 35:28 states that the only ones to fear Allah (i.e. , best evaluate His might) are in fact the ones with knowledge. Unless there is a Fat’ha made over the object( Allah here) and a Dhamma over the subject( Ulamaa/The Knowledgeable) there is a significant probability that non-fluent Arabs or even Non-Arabs might recite it with a switched diacritics making the subject an object and the object a subject so the sentence would be saying (Out of all that Allah had created of humans; He fears the knowledgeable) with this heretic format having a Fat’ha over the subject not a Dhamma, and vice versa for the object (إنما يخشى اللهُ من عباده العلماءَ ) rather than the genuine format (إنما يخشى اللهَ من عباده العلماءُ))!
Hey there, fellow human hope you're fine, I am researching on lslam and Christianity both so that I could come to the conclusion which one is right, for this i want to know about the critic's side, For Islam, can you please provide me 10 strongest Arguments against Islam, Quote the verse or Hadith and also the accurate references so that I could start my research work, İ am on a journey to collect verses and passages often quoted by the critics and then have a detailed analysis...
Keep trying to convince yourself. And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.” Surah Al-Isra 17:81
Yes Muhammad is not a time travel and you are not a smart person for not knowing that carbon dating was calculated from the parchment of when the animal died.
Does the folio have diacritical marks on it? If it has then the writing (not the parchment on which the writing was made) must be dated no earlier than 150 AH (782 AD) because quranic diacritical marks did not exist before 782 AD.
Actually, Chris, you would not need to call Uthman's timeline into question if the carbon dating is wrong...or any of the other three rashidun caliphs. The reason being that they never existed to begin with, and cannot be proven to exist anywhere other than in the minds of the islamic tradition writers. Great video as always, brother. The peace and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be multiplied to you!
Because some people are so brainwashed they will kill anyone that questions him. Or harass and even kill apostates. If Islam was truly peaceful, no one would talk or care about it.
Musing from an ignorant Christian who would probably give anything to find a Bible written in Aramaic during the lifetime of Jesus. However, Christians have a much bigger problem because certain books were thrown out from the Bible that did not fit a particular narrative of Jesus. So the impossible task is finding the historical Jesus and the historical Bible that has been changed by the hands of scribes. There is only one Quran and one prophet of Gd who received the revelation of the Quran which is unchanged and unchallenged since its revelation.I can read the Birmingham manuscript and find the exact unchanged Arabic in my present day Quran. FYI, I'm a Christian convert.
The whole Quran was not initially written down. It was oral transmission through hundrends and thousands of people then and now which kept it alive. Human error when writing what you hear down is always possible. Islam spread so fast that many were not even Arab. But oral transmission even today amongst non-Arabs is so easy to memorise and recite aloud (what the word Quran actually means).
Muqattaʿat is what I think you're referring to. They show up in a bunch of Surahs. No one is sure what they mean. Some think they're abbreviations for a name of Allah or something known only to Allah.
What makes Chris's statement worse and even worse is that the aging is done for the animal skin, paper, bone and not the ink, words, writings. What makes this absolutely rubbish is that Chris doesn't have anything within the lifetime of Jesus. What makes Chris into an absolute buffoon now is that the Islamic narrative is consistent, explained by and explains completely the historical findings. Without LIES Christianity DIES.
Dude your claim is really bad. You are claiming because its uthmanic style then it couldn't have been written before which is false. How do you know that style didn't exist before? Quran in several dilects and styles have been written down from the time of prophet Muhammmad up until Uthman. Uthman simply compiled to a standardized version. Also why do you say it is uthmanic style. Who told you that. P.S. Saying "probably " doesn't prove anything.
The parchment, in this case, is a Sheepskin. so you mean to tell me the sheep was killed a thousand years ago and then its skin kept for a thousand years to write something on it? (1) this Quran is written in the Hijazi script and dates to around 650-700 (2) There are no Harakat ( vowels) on it. the vowels in Arabic were introduced by al-Khalil ibn Ahmad al-Farahidi in the 8th century every Quran after that is written in the Arabic style. there are many scientific, and historical facts about the preservation of the Birmingham manuscript. lastly, it's funny how Christians can use the same scientific methods to authenticate and find out the date when the apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas was written which they claim is a fabrication where Jesus has denied being the son of GOD and mentioned the name Muhammad PBUH, but the same methods can not be applied to authenticate the Quran. 😀
Experts in the field when studying historical preservation of the Bible: Chops, changes, concoctions, modifications, additions, subtractions all over the shop. (this is the opinion of Christian and non-Christian experts) Experts in the field when studying historical preservation of the Quran: The standard Muslim narrative is accurate and is in line with historical findings. (this is the opinion of Muslim and non-Muslim experts) Chris At Speaker's Corner: "The standard Islamic narrative is wholesale wrong." Yes Chris. Let's take your word over the word of experts. Moreover, if you apply the same criticism shown in this video to the Bible, the Bible falls apart extremely quickly. Stop trying to throw rocks from a glass house. It's pathetic. If you're going to say the Quran wasn't preserved at least remained logically consistent and renounce the Bible at the same time. But I bet you won't renounce the bible even though it's historical preservation has been shown time and time again to have major issues.
So the muslims narrative is accurate but yet no complete manuscript can be traced to the time of muhammed or even uthman? Also, if the muslim narrative is so accurate why do we have varying qurans with different words?
@@evalsam7575 The Quran is an oral tradition. By definition, it isn't meant to be a manuscript. It is a recitation. Chains of transmission are connected back to the Prophet himself. The variations you speak of are a part of scripture. This isn't anything new. Muslims know about the variations and the prophet attested that the variations are the Quran. The purpose of the variations was to make it easier for the Arab-tongues of the time to pronounce the Quran in their own *dialects* if you will. It was simply to make it easier for people to recite. ruclips.net/video/klr3Jy2e3mk/видео.html
Maybe it is better to trace the stories that are collected in the quran. If they are unique and original, that would prove the quran is more reliable, but if text and themes are found in other manuscripts / scrolls, than the reliabily is worse. Why would the bible been rewritten as a quran by a new prophet. Bible prophets only extended the bible/tenach. Then there is the ordening of the quran. It is not a historical manner. If Allah wanted to make it more trustfully, there would be more consistency in the narrative.
. The Birmingham manuscript’s parchment is the only thing that has been carbon dated. Every single one of the above mentioned articles has noted that, indeed, there is no actual evidence to suggest the text itself predates the Prophet’s lifetime. According to the logic being used by the “predating” line of thinking, If I found a scrap of paper that existed prior to my birth and wrote something on it, it means that, actually, what I had written magically predates my birth. Again: all we know is that the parchment itself came from an animal that lived before the Prophet’s birth. What does this mean in terms of “rewriting the history of Islam?” Absolutely zilch. As for the articles on the subject of dating, here is a sampling of quotes: Small cautioned that the carbon dating was only done on the parchment in the fragments, and not the actual ink… Keith Small, of Oxford’s Bodleian Library, cautioned that carbon dating was done only on the Koran’s parchment and not its ink, but he said the dates were probably accurate. The pages were carbon-dated by experts at the University of Oxford, a process which showed the Islamic holy book manuscript could be the oldest Quran in the world. With that said, the carbon dating was only done on the parchment in the fragments, and not the actual ink. However, if the date does apply to the parchment and the ink, then the Koran-or at least parts of it-actually predates Mohammad. The most interesting bit is actually in the last quote. “If the date does apply to the parchment and the ink.” Well, fine. But since that is total speculation, it doesn’t belong in a news piece, let alone coming from the mouth of a librarian. In the meantime, every single article leads with a completely misleading title. No manuscripts or studies or science suggest that the Qurʾān predates the Prophet Muḥammad. At best, every headline should have been a variation of “Birmingham manuscript suggests that an animal lived before the lifetime of Muḥammad.” But then, I suppose that’s not very interesting news. 2. The Qurʾān contains names and events that could not predate the Prophet’s birth. For instance, Muḥammad’s name is mentioned four times in the text of the Qurʾān. One of his relatives, Abū Lahab, is mentioned by name, and the sūra (chapter) in which he is referenced even includes a pun about it. An entire sūra deals with the battle by the Muslims to conquer Mecca. Another sūra concerns the birth of one of the Prophet’s daughters. Another mentions him hiding in a cave to escape his Meccan pursuers when migrating to Medina. These are just a handful of examples. Any one of them, let alone all of them together, especially taken in conjunction with the fact that only the parchment of the manuscript potentially predates the Prophet’s birth, would lead any reasonable individual to conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Qurʾān simply could not exist except after the beginning of Muḥammad’s prophetic mission. Here’s a great example. “Ṭaha” is one of the endearing names used by God for the Prophet Muḥammad. In fact, there is an entire sūra known by this name. And guess what? It is included among the Birmingham fragments:
Or the carbon dating was incorrect. It's not exactly accurate to the last second. We're talking about objects from over a thousand years ago. Tech today might be impressive but it's not conclusive about every historical event.
You want so badly to deny the truth, but this speculation disproves nothing. If you want to see real contradiction then read your bible, or rather the version of it that appeals to you
For the Love of All that is Good, Point to the Contradictions that cannot be Reconciled in the Bible, and By 'The Same Standard' which you criticize the Bible do the same for The Quran. Otherwise, it's not your eyes that are blind, but the Heart.
I hold the Quran to an even higher standard than the bible in fact. I have to because it is important to me and the bible is not. I will overlook contradictions in the bible because it is unreliable anyway and I do not need further proof of its inaccuracies and corruption. The glorious Quran on the other hand, I will seek contradictions because they could call my belief into question and yet the Quran is perfect and has no contradictions I have seen. As for the bible there are at least hundreds. It’s not I who is blind, I believe in Allah swt and all the prophets including Jesus, peace and blessings be upon them all and I believe in was they revealed to us.
Listen my brother if you cannot prove quran wrong so why are you making such a radiculus and irrelevant statements.if you have doubt in the word of allah ,we muslims challenge and allah challenge in quran as well show mistakes!if you are truthful.show contradictions if you are right or make something like quran.la ilaha illallah Muhammad ur rasoolallah
I'm a Twelver shia Muslim Dhul Qarnain isn't Alexander the great , the latter was a pagan Probably Cyrus or another king who came from earth and ruled over beings outside earth (yes our hadiths and books prove presence of extraterrestrial life )
The thing is that the story of Dhul Qarnayn and Alexander the Great have like a dozen parallels between Quran and the Alexander Romance. Since they mention the horns on his head denoting his authority on earth, saying he traveled so far to the east as well as the west (hence the vastness of his conquering). As well as mentioning him being informed about gog and Magog, so he made an impenetrable wall of iron and brass, upon other parallels. It even aligns with him archaeologically because there are well known coins of him with two horns
@@progressiveoverload3915 same regarding Cyrus He lived before Alexander And Archeological evidence shows him wearing two horns And had two offensives : west and east So Alexander took it from him Besides , our narrations mention he was named Thul Qarnain because he was hit on his head died and then resurrected later and hit again He could've been Cyrus or another king But not Alexander
@@JadAwwad Cyrus is not known for having two horns like Alexander. The silver coins of Alexander with horns were even used as the main form of currency in the Arabian Peninsula by the first century BC. The horns depict the vastness of his expansion from Greece to India. This aligns with Surah 18:84= We gave him *power and authority on earth,* and We gave him a way to achieve anything. And even with Cyrus he was a pagan, for example he was known for worshipping Marduk the patron deity of Babylon. Regardless, there are too many parallels between Alexander the Great (in the Alexander Romance) and Dhul Qarnayn. There is no evidence of Cyrus being associated with Gog and Magog, but rather Gog and Magog are directly involved with Alexander the Great. The Quran even has him making the barriers with very specific materials which is the same in the Alexander Romance, on top of that they even have an eschatological view of Gog and Magog’s destruction. The narrations which say he was hit on the head actually align with Alexander the Great who was hit in the head from a crossbow. He ended up officially dying about six years later, so they may be going off that he resurrected (or resuscitated since resurrect denotes to come alive without dying again). There’s no evidence of that for Cyrus, who died from poison.
bro used carbon dating as his whole argument and then said it was unreliable at the end… and says dhul qarnain is alexander the great?? someone tell bro that’s one of many weak theories from historians. you destroyed your own arguments and credibility with this video, well done!
It's well known that the Islamic "revelation" is "nothing but the legends of the first" (as the coran itslef states). This fits the narrative perfectly
First, all your arguments are based on conclusions rather than scientific facts. Carbon dating provides a range, not a fixed date, and it applies to the material itself, not the text written on the manuscript. Second, the Uthmanic Quran is what the majority of the Prophet's companions agreed upon; the surahs you're referring to have been known since the Prophet's time. Uthman did not invent a new version. Finally, mixing subjects by jumping to the quality of the content-whether it is folklore or revelation-is not relevant to the dating of the text.
U can speak like that coz u never read Quran directly. But in my country many muslim cab read greek bible, hebrew bible, aramaic bible. But u only read english bible maybe.... So u dont know what contradiction from the bible. U dont know what Quran said....Quran is complete
Quran is the only holy scripture that preserve itself: "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (15:9) It even challenges the disbelievers to proof if it's corrupted: "If men and Jinn banded together to produce the like of this Qur'an they would never produce its like not though they backed one another." (17:88) "Say, Bring you then ten chapters like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than God, if you speak the truth!" (11:13) Or do they claim, “He (Muhammad) made it up!”? Tell them ˹O Prophet˺, “Produce one sûrah like it then, and seek help from whoever you can-other than Allah-if what you say is true!" (10:38) To prove quran is false is as easy as proving these verses. But you can't! This is a clear sign of Quran authenticity. If these verses were in the Bible, the challenges would be done in 5 minutes of googling.
@@ricetanzania4148 Give me one evidence of " pulsar stars " Al Tariq is based on pulsar stars. No where in Greek philosophy does it talk about pulsar stars, you say its debunked so please put it in chat.
@@ricetanzania4148 I've been researching, and I have not found any philosophy about " PULSAR STARS " I'm not talking about regular stars, I'm talking about pulsar stars.
@@ricetanzania4148 Theres not any Greek or roman philosphy About pulsar stars. Please give me information or contradictions. At the times of Muhammad peace be upon him we had no telescopes.
Muhammad does not come from the lineage of Abraham. Isaac was the son of a Hebrew woman and a Hebrew man, whereas Ishmael was the son of a Hebrew man and an Egyptian woman...a half breed. Get the point?
@@Ahmd9292 Ishmael married an Egyptian, therefore he no longer has Hebrew lineage. Muhammad is not remotely related to Ishmael. How can he be related to Ishmael if he didn't even know who his father was?
No you are seriously deceived by the best deceiver aka allah, Yehovah promised Abraham and Sarah a son through which all nations will be blessed, that son is Isaac out of which came Jacob / Israel from which Yehovah later manifested as Yehoshua (Yehovah-saviour) to do exactly that. A blessing for all nations. Now Ishmael, born out of Sarah's unbelief and Abraham's stupidity to think he can help Yehovah by sleeping with Sarah's slave. The result is a wild donkey of a man whose hand is against everyone and everyone’s hand against him. Definitely not a blessing to all nations especially considering it is where the largest religion of the best deceiver came from. Quite obvious who deceived Sarah, same one who deceived Eve...
Your son ISN'T a son of Ysaac, therefore he is like ishmeal and esau. Thankfully Christ came to save even the Ishmael gentiles who are not apart of the first covenant as ishmael is not a Son of Ysaac to be considered part of the first covenant. Ishmael did not birth Ysreal. @@Ahmd9292
You are not a true Christian. True Christians do not disrespect Islam. Muhammad (PBUH)was the last Prophet. All this suffering happening in Palestine and Israel and all you can do is denigrate Islam.
@@ntkmw8058 There are three religions that are connected spiritually: Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Unfortunately one of the religions has become a sham. Guess which one?
True christians will preach to muhammad that Jesus died on a cross, buried and ressurected on the 3rd day and muhammad will recieve forgiveness of his sins and eternal life if he confess that Jesus is God and put his faith on Christ 😂
@@jjh7066True Christians do not sneer at other religions. That is what pagans do. If you profess to being a Christian then you are not a very sincere one.
First of All, We arent christians who find our manuscripts in a cave 200 year after jesus and then claim it to be gods word without knowing who authored, with clear contradictions found in so many places, with jeremiah 18:18 saying the pens of the scribes slipped? The quran was revealed from Allah the lord of jesus and moses to muhammad through angel gabriel, the prophet then transmitted to his companions who memorised it and written it reading back to the prophet to make sure they recite it correctly, then that was transmitted generation after generations. Thats why lets all throw our holy scriptures in the sea, the only one we can bring back is the quran because it is has been menorised by millions, thats one of the miracles of the quran Allah mentions, kids as young as 6/7... bring a book like the quran you still unable, we dont rely on carbondating and manuscripts. I know it hurts that the bible has been changed and parts taken in and out as the quran mentions which is another miracle of this divine book. All praise to allah for islam
Good news, Christians don't do that either, so I'm not sure why you'd argue that. Unfortunately for you, the Quran says in Surah 3:3 that Jews and Christians were given the Torah and Gospel from God. Whoops, what a whacky catch-22. Either Allah and Muhammad lied, meaning Islam is false, or they're telling the truth, and Christianity and Judaism are correct, meaning Islam is false.
@@Sousabird christians do that... okay who are the authors? Where is your chain of transmission going back to jesus or even a disciple? Your scholars dont know that. Yes allah mentioned the torah and gospel were revealed from him to moses and jesus, but allah mentioned how you guys distorted them both, i hope its clear that the injeel was what was revealed to eesa, not what you have today... jesus never walked around with the new testament cos it wss written after him. Amazing how a man in the desert who cant read and write told YOU christians that your own book was distorted and now you have your own scholars admitting so. Come to islam i advise you with an open heart, i Ask Allah the lord of jesus and moses and muhammad he guides you to islam.
@aamirfiyaz30 authors are Matthew Mark Luke and John. Matthew and John were disciples. Mark got his info from Peter (disciple) directly and Luke hung around with them and sought truth. They were all written in their lifetime (of course) having spent time between Jesus death and writing it, repeating the stories over and over. So our account is reliable. Much more than yours
@@Ahmd9292even in the Bible a 12yo is considered a child, only in islam you can marry 6yo-and children even before adolescence-why don't you go and study instead of talking nonsense
@@Ahmd9292n9.0 A WOMAN'S POSTMARITAL WAITING PERIOD (`IDDA) n9.2 A waiting period is obligatory for a woman divorced after intercourse, whether the husband and wife are prepubescent, have reached puberty, or one has and the other has not. According to Shariah you can marry and have sex with a PREPUBESCENT toddler, that means she has not yet reached PUBERTY. Disgusting.
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Nothing stated in this video is inherently problematic to the Islamic narrative, since most of what was said was speculation, guesswork and assumption.
and the abundant misconceptions made in this video show your true intentions lol.
@@tucosalamanca984 Well he didn't cover how the Birmingham Quran has variants grammatically
@@tucosalamanca984 Vowel marks and sometimes did not even consistently use other diacritical marks to distinguish consonants (MISSING) big problem for being able to translate it.
Word for word you just described Christianity to a tee, not Islam or the Quran. Christians would be over the moon if they found a portion of the "Bible" in Aramaic, not English written during the time of Jesus.
@@rashadabdulazeem5387 Did you just say English was a language at the time of Jesus? 🤣 English wasn't even spoken, it was Greek my friend and it was a universal language given that Rome was the center of all trade, the Bible was written for the Jew and Gentile, so it makes complete sense that scripture wouldn't be in Aramaic, furthermore, the oldest Quran is 4 Surahs, and there isn't a complete one until long after Muhammed, whereas our most well preserved Bible is about 1700 years old.
The Birmingham folio is written on parchment so the Radiocarbon date is the date when the animal whose skin it was, died. This means that the parchment which is the bit that could be radiocarbon dated (only living organisms like animals and plants can be), could and probably is older than the writing on it.
As for the writing, that is dating based on known writing techniques, styles and composition of the inks used. It can't be dated by any method similar to C14.
I've heard about the Birmingham Folio and to be honest, I didn't think it proved or disproved anything. It is interesting though.
I'm a Christian so I believe in honesty. As a qualified archaeologist I have to explain the seeming misconception in the video.
correct. but I would say "incomplete assertion" instead
so the skin was kept around for how many decades before it was used? in a desert environment there's not a lot of animals to use as parchment
@@kaptaink1959camel hides and goat hides had been used for parchment during these times and yes many times they would be kept for very long periods without anything written in them and in a desert environment they would be able to be kept intact for extremely long periods of time due to the inability to rot. I find your lack of understanding disheartening
@@kaptaink1959you do know how valuable animal parchment was? Leather hide can last for ages.
its not a misconception he's simply a malicious liar trying so hard to cope
Just a point on RCD. It tells you when the animal died, not when the document was written.
It doesn't help them, but it is worth being aware of.
Anyone who has questions against or for Islam to read the Quran and judge from themselves rather than listening to RUclips graduate’s theories.
Grew up as a Muslim, studied AND memorized the entire book / Hadiths in Arabic (not my native tongue)
Got my ass kicked as a child by teachers at the Quran school for questioning good ol' 'prophet' and his sci-fi claims. But I'm thankful I studied the nonsense for me to be able to call it what it is.. NONSENSE!
Wow that is a miracle.
Most can not break through the brainwash.
Thankfully my parents who are still Muslims, taught me to study the nonsense.. but, then make my own judgement. @@qasmb1546
Ali dawah: miracles of Quran, is nonsense and debunked.
It's a reason only 1% of muslim have won Nobel prize in science even when they are billions of them. Because it's no science in Quran.
Thanks..not everybody got hidayah
@@motorcyclesdream6921 Hidaya? abdool spotted.
The miracle of the Quaran is that people still belive in it.
Islamic allah doesn't call himself the best deceiver for nothing...
Without LIES islam DIES
@@andrevisser7542Islamic Allah 😂😂😂 shows what you know. Who is deceiving you? You have no proof?
@@normalisoverratedall Christian’s have is lies.
@@FormerKafir, yes Islamic allah because Muslims claim allah means god, trying to insert their fake god into the Bible.
There is more than enough proof that Islamic allah is not the same God of Abraham and Moses, our true Creator who gave His ETERNAL name to Moses, Yehovah. Same Yehovah who said He is the only God and the only saviour (yeshua in Hebrew) then He *manifested* as Yehoshua (Yehovah-saviour) to do exactly that to restore what Adam has lost, making a way to get delivered from satan's bondage and restore our personal relationship with our Father. "Strangely" exactly what Islam try to hide, exposing allah for who he really is.
Please show me in the Quran where the entity that squeezed Muhammad identified himself. Since this "revelations" contradict all previous scriptures including what the real angel Gabriel said, it is quite obvious coming from another source, the same one who deceived Adam in the garden still trying to keep his slaves from the promised new covenant and the Saviour.
The carbon daring is of when the animal whose skin was used died, not when the writing was done.
1. the writing style of that Arabic text contained in the animal skin is very close to the writing style of the Aramaic text, which also proves that it was still evolving from the Aramaic language, proving that it mustve been very old. around the times of 700AD.
2. The text had NO harakat. proving that it mustve been older than 900AD-1000AD. Harakat was only introduced in the 8th-9th century.
@@ZedShahin they use the same scientific methods to authenticate the apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas and call it a fabrication and find out the exact years it was written because in the gospel of Barabas Jesus denied being the son of GOD and mentioned the name Muhammad PBUH. 😁
Y'all mad because the Quran is more coherent than the Bible and all of its discrepancies LMAO
@rayray6422 The Qur'an cannot even get the creation days right; one verse says 6, another 8 days! And you say it is more coherent?
@aliabdulkhaliq2121 2 + 4 + 2 = 6?
If you want it to be a fair comparison pick one of the NT books, or we be comparing the Bible to the whole Hadith collection and you don't want that, I promise
@@wondergolderneyes Hadith? Lmfao
the booklet called quran is silly and you know it:
So We instructed, “Strike the dead body with a piece of the cow.” This is how ˹easily˺ Allah brings the dead to life, showing you His signs so that you may understand.
Carbon dating merely indicates the age of the parchment- not when the parchment was written on. So this argument is misplaced.
true the Parchment in this case which is a goat skin. the goat died 1500 years ago and then it was preserved and then someone thousand years ago or maybe 1450 years ago wrote on it. it could have been written in the 1920s when it was brought to the UK right? secondly, this Quran is written in Hijazi script that goes back to between 650-700 AD there are no Harkat vowels on it . the vowel in the Arabic language was introduced in the 8th/9th century
Has the ink itself been carbon-dated? It could be that the parchment/vellum was simply kept for a long time before it was written upon.
As I understand it, ink can’t be carbon dated. Only the animal skin and even then the skin will only give u an idea as to when the animal died.
it does not even matter.. because the existence of these manuscripts in itself proves islam history is wrong..
these manuscripts should have been burned according to the narrative
Parchment was way too expensive to just make and keep around.
@@lkae4 Because parchment was very expensive, older books were frequently "recycled" by having the writing scraped off and the parchment reused in a new book. This reused document is called a palimpsest.
Muslims Began Using Diacritical Marks Because Errors Began to Appear.
The Arabic writing system was still in development during the time of Muhammad, so the Qur'an was originally written without today's diacritical marks. These were added years after the final Qur'anic revelation and Muhammad's subsequent death. The problem with this is the addition or subtraction of diacritical marks radically alter the meaning of Arabic text, thereby potentially altering Allah’s book.
Early manuscripts of the Qur’ān did not use diacritics either for vowels or to distinguish the different values of the rasm.
who invented diacritical marks in arabic?
a man name, Abu al-Aswad devised a system of dots to signal the three short vowels (along with their respective allophones) of Arabic. not even an Arab .
a. quran with diacritical marks or
b. quran without diacritical marks or
c. recitation of quran or
d. quran of tablet in heaven .
which is the true quran? my friends!
Ancient Arabic had no vowels/harakat. this system came 100 yeaes later.
muslim said quran was from al lah's tablet in haven, which is located between eyes of an angel, to jibril to mu ham mad to 1st 7reciters to according to according................ hafs and warsh and etc etc.
so my friend in al lah's tablet in paradise which quran is written on it? a very simple question, my friend
They will just say all of them are written on it.
However I do think this particular issue of diacritic is a nail in the coffin.
Qur'an with diacritical marks or without them is the same thing its just a difference in writing, the recitation of the Qur'an never been changed for more than 1400+ years since it was first revealed, so option a, b, and c, are the same option smartass.
and in your last paragraph you say "so my friend in al lah's (HIs name is ALLAH All Mighty, you ugly disfigurer) tablet in paradise which quran is written on it?" which is a completely unrelated question to the matter at hand, but to which shaykh Bin Baz may god have mercy on him says:
(And it was written in the Preserved Tablet, this and that, God spoke it, and it is preserved in the Preserved Tablet, just as it is preserved in the breasts (hearts), and preserved in the Qur’an now, and it is the word of God revealed, uncreated, written in the Preserved Tablet, preserved in the breasts (hearts), and preserved in the Qur’an, wherever it may be. It was heard, it is the word of God, it was preserved, it is the word of God, and it was written, it is the word of God.)
and for you to expect us to answer how things are written in the preserved tablet is simply foolish. only Allah سبحانه وتعالى knows that. for all you know it can be even written in a language different than arabic.
and like they say
@CandiceGoddard says and said
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"The Birmingham folio is written on parchment so the Radiocarbon date is the date when the animal whose skin it was, died. This means that the parchment which is the bit that could be radiocarbon dated (only living organisms like animals and plants can be), could and probably is older than the writing on it.
As for the writing, that is dating based on known writing techniques, styles and composition of the inks used. It can't be dated by any method similar to C14.
I've heard about the Birmingham Folio and to be honest, I didn't think it proved or disproved anything. It is interesting though.
I'm a Christian so I believe in honesty. As a qualified archaeologist I have to explain the seeming misconception in the video."
just some Accredited Reposting
Another thing I would like to say about the video is when he says some things the Quran says to be true, where do you think people got the stories from REALITY or what was going on at the time, and as Muslims know that Jesus or Issus or Isa was a prophet and we believe in the Second Coming of Christ so what I wanted to say is there was a hunt for Maximilian and his friends, and dul'qar-nan or who YOU say is Alexander the Great could have been a person Allah put such greatness into, and an example of Allah being kind and great are you being alive and god put into detail how horifc HELL is going to be so you can stay far from it also and I loved your video but at the end, you said something along the lines of AnD YoU ShOuLd JoiN ChwCItans BEcUsza We HavE A AcuTlAY LoOVING GOD and i agree with you but WE do too you only see the bad becuase you are in a relegon that sorry with this is rude but kinda sorta sugercoats almost everything and after wirting this i say i might just pick up the bible and contrast it becuase to know you friend-nemi so to them. THE END haha
EDIT : also what I wanted to say about Jesus as we know and follow some of it and it is not WIERD that we have some of it in our holy book. Here is a link to the Quran online IF this even slightly opened your heart quran.com/ i recommend reading the first then scrolling all the way down to AN-Nas then from An-Nas to Al-Mursalat the end of the Quran is shorter and more easy then Al-Musalat is 50 ayats it is in our mind half of the average Ayats
Many people here creating their own happiness At the expense of logoc and their certainty that Islam is the truth ,i invite everyone to research Islam and all religions
So if someone carve Qur'an verse on a 1 million years old stone, therefore Qur'an was writen 1 million years ago?
That is not how carbon dating works darling, did u reach high school?
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Mohammad’s memory so that he would recite it to his folks, they in turn were supposed to have memorized it and even wrote it on wood, leather,..etc. To say that the Fat’ha diacritic( not only this one, we have Kasrah, Dhammah & Shadda & Sukoon as well as Waqf( halting) without which a recitation can lead to an alternate meaning. The Arabic alphabet letters had no tittles, so ( s) would be prone to be (S) or (sh), and so on. This forms the most critical challenge, not the Fat’ha and Kasrah because the latter ones were “ pronounced” without needing to make them visible physically. It is a unique feature with Arabic language that you find yourself driven to make the object ( Maftooh) with a Fat’ha diacritic pronounced, and also a Dhamma to make any subject (Madhmoom). I may use this example here to make it easy for you: When you speak English, you can’t help but use an auxiliary verb while in Arabic there isn’t such a thing, you have to say ( Ali is clever) and never ( Ali clever), while in Arabic it goes like (Ali clever = علي ذكي ). The thing is that in Arabic it is critical to use diacritics to show which of two nouns brought in one sentence is the subject and which of them is the object, the sequence is of varieties that an object can precede the subject suggesting each of them to take the place of the other, in English language the sequence is decisive and you at once realize which of them two nouns is the object or the subject. So Arabs are driven to use a diacritic( orally) and be saying ( Kitaba / كتابَ, not just Kitab/كتاب, or Daru/دارُ not just Dar/ دار)m Arabs are known to never land( end their speech) on a Sukoon, the last letter of the last word in a sentence has to be Mutaharrik(Diacriticed). Take this example: ‘Aaya 35:28 states that the only ones to fear Allah (i.e. , best evaluate His might) are in fact the ones with knowledge. Unless there is a Fat’ha made over the object( Allah here) and a Dhamma over the subject( Ulamaa/The Knowledgeable) there is a significant probability that non-fluent Arabs or even Non-Arabs might recite it with a switched diacritics making the subject an object and the object a subject so the sentence would be saying (Out of all that Allah had created of humans; He fears the knowledgeable) with this heretic format having a Fat’ha over the subject not a Dhamma, and vice versa for the object (إنما يخشى اللهُ من عباده العلماءَ ) rather than the genuine format (إنما يخشى اللهَ من عباده العلماءُ))!
It really is devastating for this cult whatever we find from it...sadly, more lies being uncovered!
Hey there, fellow human hope you're fine, I am researching on lslam and Christianity both so that I could come to the conclusion which one is right, for this i want to know about the critic's side, For Islam, can you please provide me 10 strongest Arguments against Islam, Quote the verse or Hadith and also the accurate references so that I could start my research work, İ am on a journey to collect verses and passages often quoted by the critics and then have a detailed analysis...
Keep trying to convince yourself.
And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.” Surah Al-Isra 17:81
Yes Muhammad is not a time travel and you are not a smart person for not knowing that carbon dating was calculated from the parchment of when the animal died.
I hope the knowledge you gain will give you peace.
Just found out Allah came from a womb and the womb sits on a throne
cap
Is this about the inconvenient fact that the earliest Qur'an predates Muhammad?
thats just when the animal that it was written on was killed? not the script written y ou cant really carbon date to when it was changed yk?
“Adequate vegetation” 💀💀
i’m ded 😂
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The standard hole has narratives in it.😳
Brother gratuated from Kfc
Throw the SIN out!
I always anticipate the "it gets even worse." Just like Islam is getting worse every day
Why do you not go to Speakers Corner anymore? Speakers Corner needs big man Chris
Speakers corner is the best place for debating and open the blocked brains of Muslims.
@@MahaRaja-kx2ye is a shame I hope Chris doesn't go the same Ben went down some kind of internal falling out
This is super.
Does the folio have diacritical marks on it? If it has then the writing (not the parchment on which the writing was made) must be dated no earlier than 150 AH (782 AD) because quranic diacritical marks did not exist before 782 AD.
Actually, Chris, you would not need to call Uthman's timeline into question if the carbon dating is wrong...or any of the other three rashidun caliphs. The reason being that they never existed to begin with, and cannot be proven to exist anywhere other than in the minds of the islamic tradition writers. Great video as always, brother. The peace and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be multiplied to you!
homosexual retard.
Prove that Jesus or Moses exists objectively.
Smash-Al-lah!
It means that son of Abraham are the Jewish people.
That is the reason they are successfull everywhere.
Now I get the point.
Who cares why spend your life obsessing about muhammad.
Because some people are so brainwashed they will kill anyone that questions him.
Or harass and even kill apostates.
If Islam was truly peaceful, no one would talk or care about it.
because mohamed is still the most influential figure in history
he causes more deaths then Stalin, Hitler, Mao and pol pot combined
Imagine tri-stans with their mysterious bible writes written by people hundred of years after Jesus have the audacity to talk about Quran....
All glory and Praise be to Allah SWT the Lord of the worlds.
Musing from an ignorant Christian who would probably give anything to find a Bible written in Aramaic during the lifetime of Jesus. However, Christians have a much bigger problem because certain books were thrown out from the Bible that did not fit a particular narrative of Jesus. So the impossible task is finding the historical Jesus and the historical Bible that has been changed by the hands of scribes. There is only one Quran and one prophet of Gd who received the revelation of the Quran which is unchanged and unchallenged since its revelation.I can read the Birmingham manuscript and find the exact unchanged Arabic in my present day Quran. FYI, I'm a Christian convert.
The whole Quran was not initially written down. It was oral transmission through hundrends and thousands of people then and now which kept it alive. Human error when writing what you hear down is always possible. Islam spread so fast that many were not even Arab. But oral transmission even today amongst non-Arabs is so easy to memorise and recite aloud (what the word Quran actually means).
Very impressive 👏👏👏
This video only shows that 3 surahs in the Quran can be traced as far back as 568 - 645 CE. Very interesting perspective, however.
The carbon daring is of when the animal whose skin was used died, not when the writing was done.
Can you please give me the nonsensical gibberish verse within the quran that nobody understands? Thanks!
Muqattaʿat is what I think you're referring to. They show up in a bunch of Surahs. No one is sure what they mean. Some think they're abbreviations for a name of Allah or something known only to Allah.
what does ya-sin mean?
allahyu a'alam
bila kayf
interview's video of prof. qasim al samarrai is interesting as well.
Actual characters that you can verify existed, such as Moses and Darius the Mede? Or is this just referring to the New Testament?
Thank you all praise is due to Allah . Great video
Everything you’re saying is opinion based, the writing matched the Quran we’d have today 100%
What makes Chris's statement worse and even worse is that the aging is done for the animal skin, paper, bone and not the ink, words, writings.
What makes this absolutely rubbish is that Chris doesn't have anything within the lifetime of Jesus.
What makes Chris into an absolute buffoon now is that the Islamic narrative is consistent, explained by and explains completely the historical findings.
Without LIES Christianity DIES.
Good try mate. I will pray for you. Concentrate on fixing the sound of your mic sounds a bit wet when your talking
Dude, Quran mentions the name Muhammed. How can you assert that it could be written before he was even born?
Quran is just a compilation of stories from other books and they can't even preserve 114 chapters 😂
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Perhaps Allah made the time of the prophet non-chronological , he can do all things , it is easy for him😂
Dude your claim is really bad. You are claiming because its uthmanic style then it couldn't have been written before which is false. How do you know that style didn't exist before? Quran in several dilects and styles have been written down from the time of prophet Muhammmad up until Uthman. Uthman simply compiled to a standardized version. Also why do you say it is uthmanic style. Who told you that. P.S. Saying "probably " doesn't prove anything.
Nice Chris explanation is simple and clear
Carbon dating could just been, you know inaccurate?
@AnnoyingDonkey42 or Muhammad could've just been, you know, a liar?
Look into the numerical miracles of the quran on RUclips?! How was that possible?
Hahahhaa, still better than 300 years after Jesus PBUH
P52 is dated to 125ad which is less then 100 years from the death of Jesus
@@lukascruz4831 yes, it's no bigger than credit cards, you cant use it to validate the content of the current bible
@@lukascruz4831 hahhaa, how long the content of P52? is it one of the complete version of the bible?
bro did not research whatsoever ☠️
The parchment, in this case, is a Sheepskin. so you mean to tell me the sheep was killed a thousand years ago and then its skin kept for a thousand years to write something on it? (1) this Quran is written in the Hijazi script and dates to around 650-700 (2) There are no Harakat ( vowels) on it. the vowels in Arabic were introduced by al-Khalil ibn Ahmad al-Farahidi in the 8th century every Quran after that is written in the Arabic style. there are many scientific, and historical facts about the preservation of the Birmingham manuscript. lastly, it's funny how Christians can use the same scientific methods to authenticate and find out the date when the apocryphal Gospel of Barnabas was written which they claim is a fabrication where Jesus has denied being the son of GOD and mentioned the name Muhammad PBUH, but the same methods can not be applied to authenticate the Quran. 😀
Bro gospel of barnabas was written in 1400-1500s😂
Experts in the field when studying historical preservation of the Bible: Chops, changes, concoctions, modifications, additions, subtractions all over the shop. (this is the opinion of Christian and non-Christian experts)
Experts in the field when studying historical preservation of the Quran: The standard Muslim narrative is accurate and is in line with historical findings. (this is the opinion of Muslim and non-Muslim experts)
Chris At Speaker's Corner: "The standard Islamic narrative is wholesale wrong."
Yes Chris. Let's take your word over the word of experts. Moreover, if you apply the same criticism shown in this video to the Bible, the Bible falls apart extremely quickly. Stop trying to throw rocks from a glass house. It's pathetic. If you're going to say the Quran wasn't preserved at least remained logically consistent and renounce the Bible at the same time. But I bet you won't renounce the bible even though it's historical preservation has been shown time and time again to have major issues.
So the muslims narrative is accurate but yet no complete manuscript can be traced to the time of muhammed or even uthman? Also, if the muslim narrative is so accurate why do we have varying qurans with different words?
@@evalsam7575 The Quran is an oral tradition. By definition, it isn't meant to be a manuscript. It is a recitation. Chains of transmission are connected back to the Prophet himself.
The variations you speak of are a part of scripture. This isn't anything new. Muslims know about the variations and the prophet attested that the variations are the Quran. The purpose of the variations was to make it easier for the Arab-tongues of the time to pronounce the Quran in their own *dialects* if you will. It was simply to make it easier for people to recite.
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I thought you were gonna mention how muhammads flying sobkey was a time machine. How else would he fly to the temple before it was destroyed.
Moham-mad came with a sword.
man said moham-mad
Maybe it is better to trace the stories that are collected in the quran. If they are unique and original, that would prove the quran is more reliable, but if text and themes are found in other manuscripts / scrolls, than the reliabily is worse. Why would the bible been rewritten as a quran by a new prophet. Bible prophets only extended the bible/tenach. Then there is the ordening of the quran. It is not a historical manner. If Allah wanted to make it more trustfully, there would be more consistency in the narrative.
. The Birmingham manuscript’s parchment is the only thing that has been carbon dated. Every single one of the above mentioned articles has noted that, indeed, there is no actual evidence to suggest the text itself predates the Prophet’s lifetime. According to the logic being used by the “predating” line of thinking, If I found a scrap of paper that existed prior to my birth and wrote something on it, it means that, actually, what I had written magically predates my birth. Again: all we know is that the parchment itself came from an animal that lived before the Prophet’s birth. What does this mean in terms of “rewriting the history of Islam?” Absolutely zilch.
As for the articles on the subject of dating, here is a sampling of quotes:
Small cautioned that the carbon dating was only done on the parchment in the fragments, and not the actual ink…
Keith Small, of Oxford’s Bodleian Library, cautioned that carbon dating was done only on the Koran’s parchment and not its ink, but he said the dates were probably accurate.
The pages were carbon-dated by experts at the University of Oxford, a process which showed the Islamic holy book manuscript could be the oldest Quran in the world.
With that said, the carbon dating was only done on the parchment in the fragments, and not the actual ink. However, if the date does apply to the parchment and the ink, then the Koran-or at least parts of it-actually predates Mohammad.
The most interesting bit is actually in the last quote. “If the date does apply to the parchment and the ink.” Well, fine. But since that is total speculation, it doesn’t belong in a news piece, let alone coming from the mouth of a librarian. In the meantime, every single article leads with a completely misleading title. No manuscripts or studies or science suggest that the Qurʾān predates the Prophet Muḥammad. At best, every headline should have been a variation of “Birmingham manuscript suggests that an animal lived before the lifetime of Muḥammad.” But then, I suppose that’s not very interesting news.
2. The Qurʾān contains names and events that could not predate the Prophet’s birth. For instance, Muḥammad’s name is mentioned four times in the text of the Qurʾān. One of his relatives, Abū Lahab, is mentioned by name, and the sūra (chapter) in which he is referenced even includes a pun about it. An entire sūra deals with the battle by the Muslims to conquer Mecca. Another sūra concerns the birth of one of the Prophet’s daughters. Another mentions him hiding in a cave to escape his Meccan pursuers when migrating to Medina. These are just a handful of examples. Any one of them, let alone all of them together, especially taken in conjunction with the fact that only the parchment of the manuscript potentially predates the Prophet’s birth, would lead any reasonable individual to conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Qurʾān simply could not exist except after the beginning of Muḥammad’s prophetic mission.
Here’s a great example. “Ṭaha” is one of the endearing names used by God for the Prophet Muḥammad. In fact, there is an entire sūra known by this name. And guess what? It is included among the Birmingham fragments:
You wrote allat just to say that you don’t know how carbon dating works
Or the carbon dating was incorrect. It's not exactly accurate to the last second. We're talking about objects from over a thousand years ago. Tech today might be impressive but it's not conclusive about every historical event.
Uthmanic style? Common brother.
You want so badly to deny the truth, but this speculation disproves nothing. If you want to see real contradiction then read your bible, or rather the version of it that appeals to you
For the Love of All that is Good, Point to the Contradictions that cannot be Reconciled in the Bible, and By 'The Same Standard' which you criticize the Bible do the same for The Quran. Otherwise, it's not your eyes that are blind, but the Heart.
I hold the Quran to an even higher standard than the bible in fact. I have to because it is important to me and the bible is not. I will overlook contradictions in the bible because it is unreliable anyway and I do not need further proof of its inaccuracies and corruption. The glorious Quran on the other hand, I will seek contradictions because they could call my belief into question and yet the Quran is perfect and has no contradictions I have seen. As for the bible there are at least hundreds. It’s not I who is blind, I believe in Allah swt and all the prophets including Jesus, peace and blessings be upon them all and I believe in was they revealed to us.
Carbon dating timeline period is total assumptions.
So you being all these conjecture on assuming that timeline is 100% correct..
Which iy is not
WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES
Listen my brother if you cannot prove quran wrong so why are you making such a radiculus and irrelevant statements.if you have doubt in the word of allah ,we muslims challenge and allah challenge in quran as well show mistakes!if you are truthful.show contradictions if you are right or make something like quran.la ilaha illallah Muhammad ur rasoolallah
I'm a Twelver shia Muslim
Dhul Qarnain isn't Alexander the great , the latter was a pagan
Probably Cyrus or another king who came from earth and ruled over beings outside earth (yes our hadiths and books prove presence of extraterrestrial life )
The thing is that the story of Dhul Qarnayn and Alexander the Great have like a dozen parallels between Quran and the Alexander Romance. Since they mention the horns on his head denoting his authority on earth, saying he traveled so far to the east as well as the west (hence the vastness of his conquering). As well as mentioning him being informed about gog and Magog, so he made an impenetrable wall of iron and brass, upon other parallels. It even aligns with him archaeologically because there are well known coins of him with two horns
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same regarding Cyrus
He lived before Alexander
And Archeological evidence shows him wearing two horns
And had two offensives : west and east
So Alexander took it from him
Besides , our narrations mention he was named Thul Qarnain because he was hit on his head died and then resurrected later and hit again
He could've been Cyrus or another king
But not Alexander
@@JadAwwad Cyrus is not known for having two horns like Alexander. The silver coins of Alexander with horns were even used as the main form of currency in the Arabian Peninsula by the first century BC. The horns depict the vastness of his expansion from Greece to India. This aligns with Surah 18:84= We gave him *power and authority on earth,* and We gave him a way to achieve anything.
And even with Cyrus he was a pagan, for example he was known for worshipping Marduk the patron deity of Babylon. Regardless, there are too many parallels between Alexander the Great (in the Alexander Romance) and Dhul Qarnayn. There is no evidence of Cyrus being associated with Gog and Magog, but rather Gog and Magog are directly involved with Alexander the Great. The Quran even has him making the barriers with very specific materials which is the same in the Alexander Romance, on top of that they even have an eschatological view of Gog and Magog’s destruction.
The narrations which say he was hit on the head actually align with Alexander the Great who was hit in the head from a crossbow. He ended up officially dying about six years later, so they may be going off that he resurrected (or resuscitated since resurrect denotes to come alive without dying again). There’s no evidence of that for Cyrus, who died from poison.
Listen , i have a advice for you if you want to seek truth listen dr zakir naik debates ,sheikh uthman ibn farooq debates or ahmed deedat debates .
bro used carbon dating as his whole argument and then said it was unreliable at the end… and says dhul qarnain is alexander the great?? someone tell bro that’s one of many weak theories from historians. you destroyed your own arguments and credibility with this video, well done!
It's well known that the Islamic "revelation" is "nothing but the legends of the first" (as the coran itslef states). This fits the narrative perfectly
In your DREAMS PAGAN!!😂
First, all your arguments are based on conclusions rather than scientific facts. Carbon dating provides a range, not a fixed date, and it applies to the material itself, not the text written on the manuscript.
Second, the Uthmanic Quran is what the majority of the Prophet's companions agreed upon; the surahs you're referring to have been known since the Prophet's time. Uthman did not invent a new version.
Finally, mixing subjects by jumping to the quality of the content-whether it is folklore or revelation-is not relevant to the dating of the text.
U can speak like that coz u never read Quran directly. But in my country many muslim cab read greek bible, hebrew bible, aramaic bible. But u only read english bible maybe.... So u dont know what contradiction from the bible.
U dont know what Quran said....Quran is complete
I doubt you can read Arabic let alone any of these other languages.
who recites quran is muslim
who understands quran leave islam
You’re reaching so hard. 😂 the parchment is carbon dated not the ink in the writing . Where are the brain cells gone.
Weak argument
Trying to use big words to state speculations is not in your favor
Typical actually
Christian are funny asf 😂
The dates are there lol! You can’t carbon date nothing to the MAN you call GOD. Yet you have issues with Muslim scripture.
I challenge you to find contradictions in quran
Very unscholarly video. How could one be this much incompetent 😅
Cry more.
When you don't have a Bible in the language of Jesus. 😂
haha, you're funny. Do a research before speaking 😅
No he never do research
Plagiarism. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh no…there be NO problems with the Bible….no…NO!!!
nemas ti pojma ni ocim kamoli o islamu
Can i laught ?
Hahaha the cope is real
Dhul Karnayn is not Alexander the Great 😂
Quran is the only holy scripture that preserve itself:
"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (15:9)
It even challenges the disbelievers to proof if it's corrupted:
"If men and Jinn banded together to produce the like of this Qur'an they would never produce its like not though they backed one another." (17:88)
"Say, Bring you then ten chapters like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than God, if you speak the truth!" (11:13)
Or do they claim, “He (Muhammad) made it up!”? Tell them ˹O Prophet˺, “Produce one sûrah like it then, and seek help from whoever you can-other than Allah-if what you say is true!" (10:38)
To prove quran is false is as easy as proving these verses. But you can't!
This is a clear sign of Quran authenticity.
If these verses were in the Bible, the challenges would be done in 5 minutes of googling.
a scripture preserving itself is no proof of the scripture being holy
@TarikTurkish all debunked as nonsesne, f.e. other peoples also found out stuff about the stars in the sky
@@ricetanzania4148 Give me one evidence of " pulsar stars " Al Tariq is based on pulsar stars. No where in Greek philosophy does it talk about pulsar stars, you say its debunked so please put it in chat.
@@ricetanzania4148 I've been researching, and I have not found any philosophy about " PULSAR STARS " I'm not talking about regular stars, I'm talking about pulsar stars.
@@ricetanzania4148 Theres not any Greek or roman philosphy About pulsar stars. Please give me information or contradictions. At the times of Muhammad peace be upon him we had no telescopes.
Bible is the best..but which one..😂😂
The one that speaks your languange...
Which Quran do you use? Hafs or Warsh? Or one of the other 30 version?
Obviously there's only one Bible, the very same one St Jerome translated from Greek to Latin, the Vulgate.
@@CappadocianRequiem 73 book or 66 book ?
@@telorceploksambelkecap there only 1 alquran u can ask someone in US and someone in asia it will be same...are u use 73 or 66 books ?
Never get any Muslims on here, refuting this intriguing evidence!🤔
you want an easy one 😂😂😂 they carbon dated the parchment NOT THE INK
@@rabielazazi787 Ooooh! the Muslims won't accept that!
@@EugVR6 they did
@@rabielazazi787 why? Is disproves the Quarn!
@@EugVR6 it does not i explained to you in the first reply
The bible says to follow the sons of abraham AND the sons of abraham today are the family of the prophet Muhammad. Christians are misguided
Muhammad does not come from the lineage of Abraham. Isaac was the son of a Hebrew woman and a Hebrew man, whereas Ishmael was the son of a Hebrew man and an Egyptian woman...a half breed. Get the point?
muhammad is not even related to Ishmael do your research, islam is not Abrahamic
@@Ahmd9292 Ishmael married an Egyptian, therefore he no longer has Hebrew lineage. Muhammad is not remotely related to Ishmael. How can he be related to Ishmael if he didn't even know who his father was?
No you are seriously deceived by the best deceiver aka allah, Yehovah promised Abraham and Sarah a son through which all nations will be blessed, that son is Isaac out of which came Jacob / Israel from which Yehovah later manifested as Yehoshua (Yehovah-saviour) to do exactly that. A blessing for all nations.
Now Ishmael, born out of Sarah's unbelief and Abraham's stupidity to think he can help Yehovah by sleeping with Sarah's slave.
The result is a wild donkey of a man whose hand is against everyone and everyone’s hand against him. Definitely not a blessing to all nations especially considering it is where the largest religion of the best deceiver came from. Quite obvious who deceived Sarah, same one who deceived Eve...
Your son ISN'T a son of Ysaac, therefore he is like ishmeal and esau. Thankfully Christ came to save even the Ishmael gentiles who are not apart of the first covenant as ishmael is not a Son of Ysaac to be considered part of the first covenant. Ishmael did not birth Ysreal. @@Ahmd9292
You are not a true Christian. True Christians do not disrespect Islam. Muhammad (PBUH)was the last Prophet. All this suffering happening in Palestine and Israel and all you can do is denigrate Islam.
True Christian’s believe in Christ who renounced Islam before it was even a thing. True Christian’s trust on Christ as their savior alone
@@ntkmw8058 There are three religions that are connected spiritually: Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Unfortunately one of the religions has become a sham. Guess which one?
Islam!!! Is a big sham
True christians will preach to muhammad that Jesus died on a cross, buried and ressurected on the 3rd day and muhammad will recieve forgiveness of his sins and eternal life if he confess that Jesus is God and put his faith on Christ 😂
@@jjh7066True Christians do not sneer at other religions. That is what pagans do. If you profess to being a Christian then you are not a very sincere one.
First of All, We arent christians who find our manuscripts in a cave 200 year after jesus and then claim it to be gods word without knowing who authored, with clear contradictions found in so many places, with jeremiah 18:18 saying the pens of the scribes slipped? The quran was revealed from Allah the lord of jesus and moses to muhammad through angel gabriel, the prophet then transmitted to his companions who memorised it and written it reading back to the prophet to make sure they recite it correctly, then that was transmitted generation after generations. Thats why lets all throw our holy scriptures in the sea, the only one we can bring back is the quran because it is has been menorised by millions, thats one of the miracles of the quran Allah mentions, kids as young as 6/7... bring a book like the quran you still unable, we dont rely on carbondating and manuscripts. I know it hurts that the bible has been changed and parts taken in and out as the quran mentions which is another miracle of this divine book. All praise to allah for islam
Good news, Christians don't do that either, so I'm not sure why you'd argue that.
Unfortunately for you, the Quran says in Surah 3:3 that Jews and Christians were given the Torah and Gospel from God.
Whoops, what a whacky catch-22. Either Allah and Muhammad lied, meaning Islam is false, or they're telling the truth, and Christianity and Judaism are correct, meaning Islam is false.
@@Sousabird christians do that... okay who are the authors? Where is your chain of transmission going back to jesus or even a disciple? Your scholars dont know that.
Yes allah mentioned the torah and gospel were revealed from him to moses and jesus, but allah mentioned how you guys distorted them both, i hope its clear that the injeel was what was revealed to eesa, not what you have today... jesus never walked around with the new testament cos it wss written after him.
Amazing how a man in the desert who cant read and write told YOU christians that your own book was distorted and now you have your own scholars admitting so. Come to islam i advise you with an open heart, i Ask Allah the lord of jesus and moses and muhammad he guides you to islam.
@@aamirfiyaz30 We don't rely on hearsay. The Quran is hearsay with no witnesses at all. Who witnessed Muhammad in the Cave of Hira?
@aamirfiyaz30 authors are Matthew Mark Luke and John. Matthew and John were disciples. Mark got his info from Peter (disciple) directly and Luke hung around with them and sought truth.
They were all written in their lifetime (of course) having spent time between Jesus death and writing it, repeating the stories over and over.
So our account is reliable. Much more than yours
Why not refute Chris' argument instead of making false accusations? Answer: cos you can't. Escape Islam
Christians follow the law of secular countries .it s better for them to follow the islamic sharia
Yeah sure. And be like Afghanistan? With child marriage and no education fir women? Really?
Sorry, we don't want to marry toddlers.
Sorry, we don't want to beat our wives.
@@Ahmd9292even in the Bible a 12yo is considered a child, only in islam you can marry 6yo-and children even before adolescence-why don't you go and study instead of talking nonsense
@@Ahmd9292n9.0 A WOMAN'S POSTMARITAL WAITING PERIOD (`IDDA)
n9.2 A waiting period is obligatory for a woman divorced after intercourse, whether the husband and wife are prepubescent, have reached puberty, or one has and the other has not.
According to Shariah you can marry and have sex with a PREPUBESCENT toddler, that means she has not yet reached PUBERTY. Disgusting.
I wonder why no one in the comment section is making a case for the bible😂
Then who wrote it?
Nice try lol
Chris the man worshipin Pagan