Burning Oil Leak (Dripping on Exhaust) Subaru Forester 2.5
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I'm impressed that this owner approved the repair. You've had many customers who just let it ride or drip in this case.
Yeah, me too. For 7hrs book time labor, I think I would have just let it dripped.
Especially with 8000 miles. Warranty?
80 000
@@Gary_in_NoVA Same here.
Yeah because most right after the diagnostic plan to go find another car from another brand and sell their problem to someone else
I remember the last Subaru went from a simple water pump to replacing the motor,lol😂😂😂
I went from a simple water pump to trading it in for a new Subaru.
My wife's car with the same problem a few years ago. Fixed three times under warranty at the dealership. Why three times? They fixed it and it leaked, on top of the cat, so they took it back and fixed it again. It lasted longer this time but leaked again. I found a service bulletin from Subaru that said if you didn't use the "special" RTV that it would leak. I printed out the bulletin, gave it to my wife and sent her back to the dealership for the third pass. The dealership read the bulletin, ordered the special sealant, which was expensive, and did the job again. No more leaks.
I've had the same problems 😠
You found a dealership that can read, and can follow instructions? 😮😮😮
They should put that in their advertising! 😊
Toyota went through this issue with their 2GR-FE 3.5 liter engine (GEN 1) Unfortunately, there was no room to remove the transverse V6 engine in Highlander, Avalon and Camry. Toyota FIPG (form in place gasket silicone) was revised for this issue. Replacement parts were minimal but the engine had to be dropped from the vehicle. It’s a 12 hour job according to the book. However, it’s a great engine b
@WeFoughtForIt-hb7xe938 They did repair it under warranty.
Where can I find this special bulletin so I can print a copy for my mechanic? Thanks.
Since there are a variety of fastener lengths, saw a mechanic use a piece of cardboard to hold all the removed bolts in approximate locations.
Smart and efficient.
In aviation, we do this regularly. When you remove and aircraft windshield, there are a bunch of different length bolts; so you draw a rough window shape on foam or cardboard and pull the bolts out and put them in the approximate locations so that when you put it back, you get them in the right positions.
Old pizza boxes or fastener bags
A trick I used to use for that was to draw a picture of the timing cover and if I remember correctly there’s 2 or 3 different sizes of bolts so you just label them 1-2-3 in the right spots some guys shove the bolt through the cardboard in the spot so it’s exact but I found that time consuming unless you have one already made which I’m lazy I just label them all and put them back in the spots I know they belong except for the middle one on the passenger side that one almost always snaps for some reason could be from heat or wear or stress from the cover that’s why it’s broken on this one most likely someone did a engine or timing cover related incident and put that bolt back in and went to torque it and snapped it off the spec is like 12 ftlbs but I never go that tight just hand tight and put some silicone on the bottom of the bolt just in case
Yep, where there are blind holes involved and you are also working by feel.. pretty easy to mix them up and snap a bolt off.
My dad taught me that about 60 years ago, rest his soul. He was trained as a loom fixer - mechanic for weaving equipment - but our cars never saw a shop. I grew up looking over his shoulder and eventually helping as he did all the work. Good times. Probably why I like watching Ray so much.
It's not learning from your mistakes, Ray, it's applying the learning from said mistakes in the present.
Happy Hump day Ray and Happy 20th Wedding Anniversary for me.
And Ray has nightmares about the last time he worked on a subaru
What I enjoy most about your pt. 2 videos is that they are not on pay per view first. Keep up the great videos.
on those FA/FB engines. If you look along where the injectors are and If you see oil dampness that is a sign of the cam carriers leaking. So it's not just the timing cover that is leaking on this one.
So I'm standing in line to check out at wal mart, I'm watching this video, then I hear " Subaru's are made outta cheese"!! Which made me laugh out loud. Everyone around me turns and stares at me like I'm crazy 🤣 I love it...
Oh, a Subaru with gasket issues?? Who would have thought?? Incredible. 😏
Good one, but this engine is much different than the notorious Engine Jamming EJ series. Subaru loves to use rtv gasket maker, it was hit or miss for application quality.
Hardy har har
Got one, 2020, 72000 miles, not one problem
@@everthertsenberg5077 that's it?
@@amdstrollo3074Subaru master tech and I can say your right some timing covers never leak even after 200k but some only make it to 60k and those valve covers get old and leak the one you don’t want to leak is the cam carriers cuz those require a whole engine removal which imo if you want the timing cover done right you remove the engine and clean her up nice and on a engine stand flip her upside down so the bottom mating surface which is the main point of failure will always seal well
Ray your 4K HDR video looks just great on my TV. Nice color too. I would guess that capture, editing and uploading 4k HDR is a **TON** of work, but it REALLY pops!
I'd bet it's exactly as much work as other resolutions for Ray besides toggling a few settings.
Much much more work for his computer tho
35 bolts that hold the timing chain cover on. I just changed out the chains, the tensioners and guides on a 2015 forester with 205K miles on it. Replaced all of the orings that under the cover. Fun job
During this video, I must admit that I was nervous about one of the fasteners would snap in half . I remember that water pump repair that went sideways on Ray. Nice job Ray!😁👍
Almost had a seizure when you placed the crank pulley bolt on top of the battery!
I hate gravity and the 4th dimension where lost screws and nuts go. 😂
And 10mm s
Y'all may laugh but that fourth dimension is REAL!!!! That's where socks from the dryer go too!!!😳
Somewhere, in some dimension, there is a conglomeration of odd socks, pens, lighters, sockets, assorted screws and nuts, that have fallen through the gaps in our universe, and just assembled, like the pacific trash vortex, into a solid mass of stank, rust and mess.
@@peteredwards2318
Perhaps enough to build a complete car and drawer of socks 😆
@@marshall1157 And left socks that escape the dryer!
I always cut tiny wood shims and use them wity a small rubber mallet to pull off stuff like stubborn crank pulleys and other components works like a charm no prying and no damaged surfaces
As long as you pry off the bolt holes only and not the mating surface you should be fine I always chew up the cover a little on the 4 corners when getting that seal to break loose and if it fights just get a pocket screwdriver wedge it in between to keep some tension and pry the other side works like a charm everytime but the wood shims is a great idea I even thought of trying plastic shims before but they were too weak and would bend or snap
Wood shims good idea
exactly what I was thinking, some maple or white oak wedges every foot around the perimeter and tap sequentially, because it' won't gouge up the cover
I'm surprised you didn't say "ORDER UP" when the ding sound happened 😹
lol I haven’t said order up in over a decade…sometimes I miss those days
Fries are ready!
@@RainmanRaysRepairs it literally sounded like a dinner bell LOL
Cookies are done 😅
Never forget, Subaru backwards is, U R A BUS.😊
Swap CHEVROLET around and you have THE CLOVER. Proof I had too much time on my hands🤔
@@DogAteMyPopcorn Anagram Pontiac and you get Paction
plural-s
1: chiefly Scottish : AGREEMENT, COMPACT, BARGAIN
2: a short-term international convention terminating with the execution of a single act or performance
A few years ago they had a turbo wagon called Levorg
@@robertgestier2013 With a crossover SUV-inspired variant of the Levorg, named the Layback in 2023
@@robertgestier2013 Levorg backward is grovel. Neat!
The aroma you noted is Subaru flatulence. Bon appetit.
Very large cover lots of sealant to remove
Great job Ray
I think I would have pulled the engine out. There are so many things that could go wrong on this thing. I admire your courage and patience!
My local Subaru wizard typically removes the engine-trans assy to replace most items on almost all of the Subaru vehicles. He had found it faster and massively easier. He works on Subaru's only and has it down to a science.
When a hood strut was worn out, we always just clamped some vice grips on it so there wouldn't be a hood prop in the way... Just a thought...
Great job...some lessons bear relearning ....Loren will continue your re-education as needed!
I understand ya Ray... you prefer almond joy over mounds... me too
Nah man he IS the almond joy lol
I'm the opposite, Mounds as it's dark chocolate and coconut, yum, but I'll eat both.
@johnhpalmer6098 I'm not big on dark chocolate but I'll eat it
Sadly. Yes that is a broken bolt. After doing that Boxer 6, I know there are, I believe 2 bolts through the middle of the cover.
The adventures of Subaru Ray.
Now that's quite a timing cover, and chain setup. Observing the flatness of those o-rings, it's good that this operation is bing done. They couldn't have been doing a very good job. RTV sealant having replaced so many old time gaskets, it still has issues with leaking as well. If it wasn't for oil leaks many techs wouldn't have that much to do. 😄
Thank you for the Lauren/WifeUnit cameo, as always.😊
That’s a pretty big job!!!! Didn’t seem so until stuff started getting taken off
Ray, speaking foe myself and many of thise who watch your videos, might not subscribe for some reason, might not even hit the like button. One thing we all end up doing.
As we work on vehicles, we either verbally outlook say "Click" or do it only in our mind when tightening bolts. Thanks to you. When we just see a can of brake clean, we think "Bright and shiny". When the can goes empty, we say "Oh No! Get me another!!" and grin. You might not realize it, but your little phrases have made an impact far beyond what your RUclips stats will show. So glad to see your shop keeps having a constant flow of customers, expanding out and although being a business owner and not just a mechanic for some shop has more responsibilities and headaches, you are succeeding.
Btw, can't help but think you approved this Subaru as if it was made of crystal considering the last one you had on video. And thanks for the patience you show on screen. That Mustang header install was an epic level of frustration.
Yes, thanks to Ray, I now say "Click" and "Gravity". Oh, and "Got it!".
My wife has been asking me why I'm talking to myself when I work on anything now..
The boxer configuration is also found on the VW Beetle, as you know, and the lesser known (in the US) UK Jowett Javelin... which you may not be aware of!! Apparently only 22,700 were built... of which only 6 are still running! The Jowett Bradford van had a flat twin boxer, which evolved into the flat four of the Javelin.
Ray, EVERY video is a very good video!
I hope this helps you with Subie FA, FB engines. It is better off hoisting the engines out, there are five pry points on the timing covers and any bending or gauges you might have to buy a new cover or it will leak again. When cover is re-sealed, you want to put it straight on which also need the clearance from the engine out of the engine bay.
another great pt 1 ray! overly complicated timing cover arrangement.
Great to see the same generation Forester work.
the 3.5, 3.7 duratex in the edge and explorer has treaded holes that you use iming cover bolts to screw in and thus pushing the timing covers off.
Jack screws
A couple of funny Captain Obvious narration moments…. At 16:00 "I think I need to pull the dipstick tube out because it probably extends down into the pan" (I have never see a dipstick tube that didn't extend into the pan). At 35:10 "I didn't know I had to drain the engine oil out of this" (as you are chasing down an oil leak thru that gasket) 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - - As always, a very entertaining video, keep'em coming. Great Job Ray!!
Good morning!!
I have a 2011 Corolla and when it had about 60,000 miles on it I had it at the dealer for some kind of recall. They noted a drop of oil at the bottom of the timing chain cove, They quoted $2400 to reseal it because the engine had to come out. I refused because to this day,130000 miles, there has never been a drop of oil on my drive. This is a very common problem with this engine because they use silicon to seal the cover.
And who says jap cars are great, overrated more like it
Try using a heat gun next time the RTV doesn't want to let go. We do that where I work, not on cars but RTV nonetheless. Works very well in our applications.
Congratulations on the successful dis-assembly Ray
Hi Ray, think of this as a refresher course on Rubasu engines. Careful easy there…..they are listening.
Alternate strut is common in most garages, being normally the handle of some well used broom. VW Golf owners all at some point or the other have had one in the rear, to hold up the tail as those gas lifters wear out.
7:08 SUBARU WATER PUMP! HOLDS UP CROSS!!!
were praying for ya!
eeek..
16:30 is the water pump, for those that have following Ray for a while, and want to cut to the chase..lol
Great job Ray! This is definitely one of the negatives with going from a timing belt to a chain, and historically this job has caused many an issue for Toyota dealerships (see the 2013 FR-S valve spring recall debacle for more on that, different motor but almost identical timing cover).
Suffice it to say, if you can pull this off, there's not much else on this engine platform that you can't do! It's a lot of RTV, but patience and persistence will get you to the finish line. Just be conservative with the grey goo of death when reinstalling so there aren't any RTV boogers waiting to break off and plug an oil gallery once you get the cover re-seated.
Bonus knowledge: that key thing you removed? That keys the crankshaft to the oil pump, which is built directly into the timing cover! (Hence the super convenient oil filter placement)
5 bucks it’s gonna leak again and those valve spring recalls on the brz were easy af although when your real Subaru guy you can pull the engine in a hr and have the whole thing done in 1 day and let it settle for silicone overnight
@@BEASTLYDROK Nah, I'm confident Ray will get it without a reoccurring leak if he takes his time, but I definitely see where you're coming from with the oil puddle at the bottom of the timing cover. (Helps that I'm watching part 2 as I type this, full disclosure)
Definitely true that pulling the engine makes the whole thing easier too. People tend to get spooked when they hear the words "remove engine" but I've seen people pull EJs in about 30 minutes (as I'm sure you have too). Pretty confident after seeing I Do Cars tear an FA apart that this motor could come out just as easily given how much they seemed to care about improving serviceability on the newer motors.
As for the valve spring thingy I mentioned, only brought it up since enough of them blew up after getting serviced that it made for a bit of a headline and it seemed relevant at the time. I actually wonder what exactly happened with that now that I think about it again? I heard the whole "excess RTV" explanation back when it first happened, but it would be good to know what *actually* happened if that's not how it went.
While you're at it you should replace the head gaskets; since it'll be back soon for that
Anotha great video Ray. Kind of off topic, but a few video’s back you asked us to try and guess some of the places you lived. I live in North Carolina, but I am in New Jersey training on the new Acura ZDX electric vehicle that just came out (which is nothing more than a Cadillac Lyriq with Acura badging on it, (not a big fan of EV’s)), and the way the instructor is talking reminds me a lot of how you talk and formulate some of how you choose the way you formulate your sentences. Am I correct in assuming that New Jersey is one of the places you lived or am I way off base. Thanks Ray and can’t wait to see the video where you put the timing cover back on the subi.
You’re a little off on that one. I’m SC OH, MI KS GA FL HI
When I posted this comment, I was sitting at lunch. When I returned to the training center, the instructor said he was raised in Wyoming. I see you lived in Kansas which is out west as well. I don’t know where you were raised, please keep that to yourself, but maybe that’s why the 2 of you sound so similar in the way you talk. Sorry to accuse you of living in New Jersey. I have nothing but respect for you even though we have never met. See you on the next one
We are nuts at one time or another. THat's what you were trying to say i think with the Almond Joy comment. Don't worry sometimes we feel like a nut as well.
I BOUGHT a aluminum block that had a V wedge cut into it with a screw from snap on for hood shocks pistons, dam thing didn't fit my hatch back props.
I kept a broom stick in the trunk.
But they get in the way, I've had the hatchback hit the back of my head so dam many times.
Better replacement props cost about 26 to 30 bucks, now it takes 2 hands to close the hatch.
Took me a whole 10 min to change them.
WORTH EVERY PENNY.
A smaller pair of vice grips will hold the hood open. Some complain they mar the rod but if they are already worn out, so what? Of course replacing them is the best fix. At least until they wear out again...
Yup. Cheap and easy to replace.
My 2012 Subaru Outback has a secondary "service" position for the hood. Opens the hood wider and holds it securely. That Subaru should have it as well. No need to have a prop rod in the way. Just move the strut bolts to their alternate location. More access, more light and the struts are more out of the way. Just be sure not to put the hood through the roof when going to the full lift height. Ask me how I know.
Somewhere I came across some various length scraper blades which are perfect for splitting oil pans, etc. They are thin but stiff enough I can drive them into the seam. And, because they are sharp, they cut the silicone.
" In transit" means it is moving across the dock at the shipper. I've had too many notification of an item being shipped on a Sunday evening but not showing up in tracking till Tuesday when it was actually picked up. My R.R.R. hat went from Tennessee to Chicago via Denver for 3 days.
lol you’re still on over that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RainmanRaysRepairs Nope, it was USPS incompetence that caused it. Just an example .
I was waiting for you to drop something down the open rad.
I'm at 10:09 and paused to comment. If you take the radiator out you'll get more room to work with. I did this on my 11 Impreza when a buddy helped to change the timing belt, water pump, and T-stat.
I do cars has had a recent video on one of them bomb engines I belive he used a bolt to push its self apart
The RTV will hold the timing cover on, but the dowel pins are worse.
A skilled mind combined with skilled hands combined with an amazing wife unit is a recipe for great success. Keep an eye out for a location for a multi bay facility. You are going to need it sooner than you think.
I did the same job on my Subaru last year. The torque sequence was something else, i think it had 35 bolts holding the cover on.
This one is like 16 I think or close to that and it’s only 2-3 different sizes 😂 also the torque sequence is a bunch of bs I always did the 2 middle bolts first to center then the bottom then the top then left to right or right to left and never had issues the right procedure from Subaru is middle 2 then top left and bounces across to the bottom right and you just go clockwise bouncing back and forth till they all done
@@BEASTLYDROK yeah mine had 5 in the center. I don’t remember the sequence, just think i blocked it out but I’ve never had such an involved torque sequence. If the timing cover ever leaks again I’m letting it ride
You just reminded me. A while back (I think about 2 years) I installed hood struts on my 2009 Frontier so I didn't have to use the tiny prop that comes with the vehicle. Soon after I had my oil changed at one of those quick places (they're good, I trust them). I was expecting them to notice my struts and hopefully make a nice comment about them. But no. They used that bar like yours to hold the hood up, despite the struts working very well. No comment from the guys working on it. I felt rejected.
Otherwise, yeah. Be safe. Don't want hoods falling on mechanics.
I would feel rejected watching someone use a bar to hold my hood open when I'm OCD about having working hood struts lol
Looks like a couple in the middle too. I had to change a Boxer 6 cylinder in a B9 Tribecca.
We pull the engine to do the front cover and cam cover orings that leak on Subys at our dealership.
Yeah and being a dealership have all the unobtanium tools (price) to boot
That’s how it’s done professionally also you recommend valve covers and cam carriers together never just the valve covers I’ve seen so many comebacks for others due to them resealing the covers and then the cam carrier was the issue all along and because they are so close to the timing cover and valve cover it’s hard to determine which is leaking better be safe then sorry
I would definitely change the tensioners they get weak over time and rattle at start up. Love Subie videos have a great day Ray
Hi Ray. I miss the Neon look opening with the "Gravity" cry. And BTW, If you're the Almond Joy, The Wife Unit must be a Mounds.
your videos are awesome, Takes me back to when I did this for a living !
Ray, in the future you should buy RTV that comes in a caulk gun style tube. Makes sealing large areas like this timing cover so much easier on your arm and hand. We have some good stuff at the dealer by threebond that comes in a tube you put in a caulk gun. Makes resealing front covers and oil pans so much easier. Just a suggestion
Hi Ray - Very Nice Looking Car! - I would advise that car owner to start using a (high mileage) oil, high mileage oil has extra seal and gasket conditioners added that helps prevent leaks and I am convinced that they do work. I have a 2001 GMC Sierra with a 5.3L V8 that I started using (high mileage oil) on years ago when it hit about 90,000 miles and my truck engine still does not leak oil to this day and I have always changed the oil every 5,000 miles.
Hey Ray, be careful there is a tsb on the cam cradles for an oil leak. The timing cover may only be part of the leak you’re fixing. Not 100% sure it’s the year you’re working on but worth checking.
Boxer engine was first used in the VW's and Subaru has been putting them in their cars since the mid-80's..
The sideways engine means the valve cover gasket has to be oil proof and has oil on it all the time. Timing cover is probably typical for any engine. No bolt problem with the aluminum block, either it has been done before, it's not too old, or they are doing a better job with dissimilar metals, coating or something.
How does Ray keep track of where all the nuts and bolts go? Different sizes, lengths and locations! He has got an amazing memory.
Bolts, bolts, everywhere! I am getting post bolt fatigue. Having owned three Corvairs, I would have just got a drip pan.
Fun cars, those Corvairs
Hopefully this one doesn't suffer from excessive oil consumption as well.
An engine with two heads, two valve covers, and a timing cover!
One of the major automotive disappointments was the quality of my Subaru XV Diesel. The engine warning light was on and off for 7000km until, at 42000km, my contract finally ended. How to ruin a reputation.
The Subaru brand has totally disappeared from this island.
My '05 Forester was an oil leaker from the head gaskets. Dealer quoted $2k to replace back in '15. Some one made me an offer for it as is I couldn't refuse and wife unit got a new Outback. I prefered the older belt driven engines, much quieter. The chain driven Outback is much noisier, especially cold.
'02 Legacy had the head gasket leak, $3k to fix the head gaskets, clutch and water pump. Made it another 75k miles before trade in (@270k). Current '15 Forester has 240k with no leaks (fingers crossed).
10th! HAPPY HUMPDAY! Another fine video Ray,Lauren,and Dave your dependable new employee. Roger in Pierre South Dakota
Great job! You should start putting cardboard up against the radiator, one wrong bump, easily can cause you to buy a new one!
My son works at Subaru repair shop. They are high maintenance cars. They reseal a lot of engines and most of the time the engine is pulled.
Shh let him learn the hard way if he can reseal this cover in the car he will have my respect and badge of Subaru technician approval I’ve done these in car and it’s a b!tch and a half takes almost a hr in just cleaning alone with a good a razor blade and wire brush and metal wheel grinder but if it’s done right and clean and sealed fast af before the bottom corners get a little oil on the mating face it can be done in car but it’s stupid to do that cuz 8 times out of 10 your gonna have to do it all over after it sits overnight and leaks on first startup
Ray is honest. He said he likes to do things the hard way.😂
I was this many years old when I learned of Urabus
Eric just did a Subaru teardown. The timing cover was an absolute bear for him as well.
Meanwhile, in Jiffy Lubes all around the country there are lube techs that are fresh out of High School, pulling off that filter and dripping oil all over that timing cover which, in turn, causes timing covers to be resealed at 7 hours of labor for no reason.
That’s why any tech worth their salt will pressure wash or brake clean the oil areas and put some dye in and have the customer come back in a few days to inspect if the leak is back and if it is use the dye to pinpoint if it’s timing cover cam carrier or valve cover
AEST time fresh video viewing perfection Ray 👍
Try a painters 5 in 1 tool to break the sealant in the future
The 6 cylinder Subaru Boxer engine has a internal water pump in the rear of the engine pull out the engine just to change the water pump
Hi everyone, good day to you!
Oh no not another Subaru water pump.... Surprised you took this job with your history... hope no bolts break!
😂 the one that did break is useless anyway it’s only there to help seal the cover in the middle which just hit it with silicone and some on the bolt that broke and it’s fine
These Urabus have their quirks
It's understandable to grow eerie of Rubasus.
Welcoming back!
That looked harder then the 80s 90s timing belt motors. My first Subaru was a [88] wagon, my last one was a [01] Impresa hatch back, they was very good in snow, not so good against rust......
Hey Ray Ray in a future video when you have a stuck part you should use the "release me" from Independence Day. Would be funny brother 😂
that drain plug bit is called a #3 JIS screwdriver (japaneese indistural standard) i used a Vessel #3 long screwdriver from the bottom
Definitely not a Phillips bit then 😇
If this was my car, I think I would have used a small piece of sheet metal to divert the leak away from the exhaust. Way less trouble and oil isn’t that expensive. Great job Ray. Have a nice day.
Oil leaks add up financially
and it would never rust a bonus 😂😂😂
The real way to do it halfass is to clean the leak corner off and just silicone the crap out of that small area let it
Sit overnight it’s hit or miss sometimes it
Just leaks past it
Other times it’s just enough coverage to hold the oil in and no need to redo the cover 😂
LOL, I saw the hang-up on the crankshaft on the first pry. I was trying to tell you but you were not listening :)
Supposed to be a bad hurricane season this year?will you make some more videos about the prep and empty town like in the past.I really found your other ones very interesting.
It's already a horrible tornado season as it is. Spent a good part of yesterday watching a live stream from Ryan Hall, Y'all where a bunch of massive tornadoes touched down and one town in the upper Midwest got hit pretty hard during the afternoon.
Fingers crossed. I remember the last Subaru. Simple job turned into a new engine.
Best to apply the 10 foot pole rule when thinking about working on Subaru
Nicely done Ray!
Mr Ray hope y'all have a great day 😊😅