New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern says country will become republic ‘in her lifetime’ - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has stood by her previous comments that the country will become a republic, saying that she thinks it won't be "quick or soon" but it will happen “over the course of my lifetime”.
She also reflected on conversations she had with Queen Elizabeth II about motherhood and leadership.
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Its seem like only the media loves this women
Get that feeling too. Media darling but not overly popular with the people.
@@whatonearth9809 Not true.
UK, Australian and NZ media hate her.
@@louiethered479 she’s respected in the Uk and Gibraltar media (where I live) but my friend in NZ doesn’t like her at all.
@@whatonearth9809 No she is not judging by the anti Ardern hatefest being run by various UK, US and Australian media outlets that see her as a threat to their conservative views. Your friend doesn't represent the entire country.
Bigger problems. Like removing the current Govt next election 😊 🎉
Bloody oath
@Iosefo Timoteo Thanks to Labour we have the MMP
Time to vote her out!!
And getting Starmer in? Heaven help us.
Done
From NZ I'd never vote for a republic and get a President and yet another level of Government.
What the heck has a president to do with a republic? Why do you think you'd have to have a president, or that there would be "yet another level" of government? What nonsense...
And what is the monarchy for you other than another UNELECTED level of government?
Primarily, you have a parliamentary system, and a president in such a system is just a representative figure rubber-stamping legislative processes. You can also just leave out that office and have the head of government also be head of state. It's up to you. But keep in mind that you have NO say in who that opera king in London is, because in a monarchy, you are not the sovereign of the country, whereas in a republic you are.
Youre an idiot. The commonwealth only benefits england. Not the idiots who still support lingering UK supremacy
I’m also for the monarchy Cindy is dreaming
Good for you. Please persuade fellow Kiwis to stop voting these idiot wokies in, will ya'?
I think you have this confused young jojo.
A president is not mandatory, it also doesn’t half to take over from the PM. For example, Ireland is a republic independent nation, they have a PM and a president. The PM runs the country and the president is more like an ambassador, don’t think he has any real power (like the king of England).
But the fact you’re under the crown, means you DO have an unnecessary level of government governing you.
New Zealander here:
What the hell did I just wake up to?
Hopefully you've woke up to your prime minister is a mtf drag queen, 2 men in this video.
Nothing lol this WEFtist is just glitching again. She off to Black Rock no doubt, when she swings by the UN in New York tomorrow.
American here, you're a heavy sleeper
Scottish Man here, get the feck out of the commonwealth and become a modern parliamentary republic 👉👉👉
@@nerjadude Gibraltar calling, ignore old Jock above. Republicanism isn’t the way.
NZ chose not to legalize weed, I dont think we'll vote to become a republic anytime soon, and remember that flag vote? yeah we kept the old one 😂
I wish you had gone for the laser eyed kiwi design
The weed vote was rigged I know they had enough of NZ public to pass bill but there working and exporting the weed instead
@@johntaylor8463 I wish we had too lol
To be fair, the options were pretty rubbish.
I'm not opposed to the concept of a new flag, but I didn't like the options we were given, so voted no.
@@liamcollins9183 Why would you want to change your flag anyway? You want to erase any connection to the country than give birth to you? Your basically turning your back on your own kin if you do that. Maybe you should change it to the flag of a China..
Imagine "who will you sit with on the bus" being a question asked to a world leader by the BBCs apparent top political journalist, with everything happening in the world at the moment
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@@nunuofficial5146 Really?
What’s wrong with the question?
A question in jest isn’t an issue
People like you are why the world has to be so negative
@@jimbojimbo6873 I think they were making a point that it’s amazing that the most powerful people in the world will be “on a bus” vs in their own motorcades like we are used to seeing
Many western Journalists are retarded
As someone who lives in a republic, I can tell you how I appreciate the role of a constitutional monarch as an apolitical head of state. You are very fortunate.
Its flawed. Becuase the role is inherited and not chosen by the people.
@@Hypoksi
The leader of government is chosen/elected by the people. The monarch doesn't have any political power anyway.
Agreed, same here, in a republic there isnt the simbolic power and it is very important.
@@AUmarcus So if they don't have any policatal power.Why do they exist then? Why are taxpayers footing the bill for this pradade when we are going through a cost of living crisis..
@@Metal_Fingers. we are in a cost of living crisis due to the policies put forward by those with political power so what's ur point?
As a New Zealander I won’t be voting to exit from the Commonwealth.
they really didn’t even wait. “oh, the queen is gone? LET’S LEAVE!”
I will be indeed.
There is no vote?
Becoming a Republic does not mean exiting the Commonwealth
If Jacinda and King Charles are members of the WEF then I would.
Doubt it... We couldn't even change a flag.... Personally I don't want a power hungry president.
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Image the Labour or National Party campaigning for president, bad enough with the types of people who are attracted to power and who want to be PM.
When Barbados changed from a unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy to a unitary parliamentary republic, the new President of Barbados became the elected ceremonial Head of State. The Prime Minister of Barbados remains the Head of Government with political authority.
Why would you want to? Your basically erasing any trace of the shared culture and identity with Britain and the other countries in the Anglosphere. Will they then change it to the Chinese flag? No wonder people are concerned, New Zealand should be removed from the 5 eyes if they do because how can they be trusted whist they are cosying up to China and severing all ties with their kin
@Anthony but you want a power hungry monarch.
I very much doubt we will become a republic in NZ nor would I want us to be. As a Maori New Zealander I believe in the Treaty of Waitangi and it is between Maori and The Crown. Hard to set that aside.
Edit: Chur for the likes!
England and her patriotic indigenous sons are with you
Wouldn’t the term “Crown” just be interpreted to mean the state in this situation? It’s what the term Crown refers to when people talk about Crown prosecutors for instance.
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@@chucky2316 lmao
Damn I've been conditioned... now every time I see her I cannot avoid thinking she will start singing and flying with an umbrella... or talking to the handle.
You can safely assume that when she speaks at least one thing will be a lie. 😲😁
She said lockdowns were until people could get vaxed. Well there was no vax for over 1 year, so that's a lie.
She has lost all ability to be genuine since she signed up for Agenda 2030 that's all she's been focused on. It's very sad.
New Zealand has more pressing issues than becoming a republic. The state of our health care is one example. Jacinda should have answered I am here for the Queens funeral and now is not the right time to be having those sorts of conversations.
It's not the PM's fault what questions media ask and the PM has pointed out to media she is there for the funeral. PM Ardern is not making NZ a republic, she is just pointing out that people's attitudes are changing, just like the Queen was aware of that too.
@@louiethered479 The PM should have been able to parry that question at this time out of respect to the royal family. Now is not the right time for those sorts of conversations.
Nz health care is one of the best in the world. If u look at other countries health care is the best soo look at the rest of the world first cause countries like the US gave worse health care then people in NZ
Perfectly said
@@wileyfox3436 Even in the UK Charles isn't particularly popular, so having him thrust upon as head of state makes now as good a time as any
I am so proud of our Commonwealrh relationships. Same age as Jacinda. Half NZ Euro descendant (7th Gen) and half Māori. Not going to lie. I would be gutted if we became a republic within my lifetime 🇳🇿❤️🇬🇧
but not proud of the soviet relationships between Russia and other former soviet states? hypocrisy of the highest order.
Well it'll be up to you. British people won't think any less of Kiwis if they choose to
@@Josh-vc8lrdo it now before new Zealand becomes a de facto Islamic Republic
The Maori lost their lands to white Europeans. I don't understand your pride.
I'm a descendant of peoples who were forced to leave their homes east of the Mississippi River. And also from slaves in America. It makes it hard to feel any pride about the USA.
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Im not comfatable with elected officials making unfounded projections ..the surety of traditions and precedents runs deeper fhan their temporary office
One-party communist countries would fit for you
Yes, and I think she is very temporary from what I read. No one likes her, but she likes herself !
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I'll say this a very small majority want a republic it won't happen in jacindas time it won't happen in our time.
After seeing what can happen with an 'elected' president - won't mention any names but he's American - I'm happy to stick with a constitutional monarchy.
As if kings have a better track record
@@faissal3055True.
I should have added the caveat 'so long as they behave''.
Still - the last time a British monarch refused to sign into law a bill presented to him by Parliament was in 1708.
Trump refused to sign one presented to him by Congress in 2020.
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Presidents tend to use the apparatus of state against their opponents. The FBI in the USA for example. With a monarch there isn't that problem because they are head of state until they die or decide to abdicate.
I would be surprised if we did. I think maoridom would oppose because of treaty of Waitangi.Still a lot of royalists here.
Agreed, the Waitangi treaty would need renegotiating. It’s not trivial for NZ to career towards republicanism for good reasons. Australia should take notes and look after their First Nation people before suing for republicanism.
@@leakifolog - if you follow Australian politics then you would know that a referendum on a constitution voice to parliament for First Nations people is on the governments agenda for this term. There is no current talk of a referendum on a republic - it is firmly a second priority to constitutional recognition and treaty.
Lots of people also see the Monarchy as anachronistic. It is time to acknowledge that Aotearoa is a diverse country in which the Head of State should no longer a British person whose real value is propping up British tourism.
@@simonromijn1912 if people try to remove monarchy in the UK then i for one will do my bit to hurt or kill who ever tries it
If we were to become a republic, the treaty of Waitangi or its foundations and consideration for Maori would be included in any new constitution anyway. Changing to a republic doesnt mean existing and historic rights of Maori will be extinguished, simply that we will move away from a constitutional monarch. Either way, having a monarchy is symbolic and useless
is she a fool? what benefit will New Zealand have being republic? Don't fix what's not broken
Yes she is a fool, no one in nz likes her 🤣
They will save on saliva wasted on royal bootlicking
London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
she did not say that at all
If NZ were a republic while she were prime minister, she would spend more time doing the Queen's job (representing, talking to other representatives) and less time doing the job she is supposed to be doing....
I am a new Zealander and I would not vote for jacinda for dog catcher.
Mrs li you are chinese not a New Zealander.
You have obligation to Maori people.
For all suffering of Maori you need to get rid of crown.
Also something like New Zealander doesn't exist but kiwis do exist.
I hope not. As. New Zealander I am incredibly proud to be part of the Commonwealth.
You can be a republic and part of the Commonwealth
Most countries in the Commonwealth don't have the Queen as head of state.
That's because Tania you're a nit wit
@@aporia25 Most countries in the Commonwealth aren't New Zealand, Australia or Canada.
Why are you proud about the commonwealth? Whats in it for you?
Not if William becomes King, him and Kate are too popular here in NZ
And a lot more popular than Ardern
he will be after charles.. little George after him..
She's a pilick
Yep you are not that bright Sheep.
No thank you Jacinda. I do not want NZ to be a republic. AT ALL. Long live the King! 🇳🇿
She got no choice in the end the day. London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
@@srikandiwarion1422 How sad for you.
Well it wont happen in my lifetime; thank goodness and I'm a New Zealander - God bless the Queen and God Save the King!!
Fantastic thanks
It won’t happen in your lifetime because Jacinda Ardern would definitely outlive you. GOD SAVE THE PEOPLE!
Thank goodness as an American I'm not part of your f****** b******* ass monarchy better rate these country with black and brown people took their jewelry and all this other s*** not to mention the brutal crack down in Kenya immediately after Elizabeth got sworn in and she didn't say s*** about it or try to stop it because British colonial governors are brutal when it come and keeping the natives in line so God do not bless your queen now departed and God do not bless your king you piece of monarchy ass s*** that's what I think
@@charlesneely you dumb ... its a constitutional monarchy ( look it up ... moron ) where the monarchy has NO power you simpleton LOL what a moron - did you go to school ?
There are some former British colonies which are Republics and within the Commonwealth,the ties with the U.K. is something that is cherished.There are always people with differing opinions,nothing is wrong with that view.
@@Josh-vc8lr both of those places would want to come back under British rule
@@briandelaney9710 😅 back under English rule ? Because your union is not long for this world 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Give Maori people work king or queen delete Governor General delete monarchy Great Britain go
@@christianamary1540 your opinion,nothing is wrong with that,my opinion is I like the discipline and civility of the REAL British,we can't change HISTORY and I am not responsible for the mistakes my ancestors made.We learn from HISTORY and we can see the mistakes and atrocities are still happening today in different countries.In 200 years from now,who is going to apologise for present day mistakes.Present day will be HISTORY.
@@Josh-vc8lr I hate the present narrative of apologise, apologise.To those of that narrative,I say, apologise, my ass.
Hope not, we new Zealand have bigger problems to fix. Don't need another new flag F up.
They have her FREE well Ok we give you $20 if you take HER PLZ
That was the Nats John key. PM Jacinda Ardern is not proposing to make NZ a republic. That will be up to the people in the future, all she is saying is that she wouldn't be surprised if NZ becomes a republic during her lifetime, she is not saying she will be the one to do it.
@@louiethered479 she doesn't need to state it as such and she won't because the key is in the snippets of truth she's actually alluding to. She's got a degree in communications, particularly public relations so she knows what to say and what not to say to appease her boss. She's foreshadowing, we already know her ties to wef. It's all part of their plan to sell us out to China.
@@piricarroll Rubbish. You're just making it up, putting words into her mouth she did not say.
I have to pull out the barf bucket every time I see or hear her voice !
I don't really care about the monarchy as a kiwi. But it does fulfill a couple of good purposes. 1: It keeps us from centralising power because we have a neutered head of state. 2: It concretes our alliances.
I don't see a reason to get rid of it for as long as it does something beneficial.
I'd rather be free.
@@amalalnckamsk6939 you are free. Are you chained ??
@@amalalnckamsk6939 You are already free.
@@goldfish2379Freedom from imperial rule
@@section5760 If you can't elect of your head of state, and they're not accountable to a democratic electorate, you're not free bud.
Only managed 2.5 minutes…Politicians …. The art of talking without saying anything…..
Your soul is rotten and black
Or without directly answering the question !!
I've noticed that when's there is a world event ardern dresses in a similar style to those effected. In this world event she has decided to mimic Princess Anne's look
Yep, total fraud our worst PM ever.
I thought it was an Anne Boleyn look lol so close.
For New Zealand to become a republic, that would mean the end of The Treaty of Waitangi as that was a treaty between the Maori and The Crown.
Don't think so. The Treaty of Waitangi as been intrinsic to the relationship between white immigrants and the indigenous Maori for 120 years.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 I love that like your username, you havn't had an accurate update on your historical information since the 1960's either.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 that isn't true not a single historian agrees but sure believe your racist conspiracism
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr the moriori were indigenous to Chatham island before being slaughtered, that may be what he is referring to.
@@shanyewest958 even still the moroiroi were a sub grouping that branched of from the other maori
As a 🥝.., I think it will be a major mistake to leave the commonwealth..
Its time you upgrade yourselves to citizens from subjects
@@Ducktility
Lol but if lack of knowledge there mate😂👍
Hell no! London bridge has fallen, so it won't be too far away for NZ becoming republic, I'll say, and it should really be sovereign as a Nation based on real constitution not "New Constitution" but diverting back to the original constitution, just like USA. We would be following under USA state of Law of Republic, instead of British Monarchy as a commonwealth Nation. It will happen whether you'll like or not. Mark my words! When it happens, she won't be in power by then.
@@Ducktility
Mate ya gotta tell me.. why do people who clearly don’t have an understanding of the situation… can’t resist the urge to comment….
Something happens.. boom “I’ve got an opinion on that”
Ffs last few years been f wits commenting on virology..😂👍
@@srikandiwarion1422
No one like the britishererera eh😂
I think the Kiwi public may have a huge say in that! China looms as a large threat! Ardern lives in a dream world, one without reality!
A shame as we are all part of the same family and many of us in England would miss you
We arnt going anywhere! NZ do not want this.
NZ can remain in the commonwealth and our bilateral agreements would still stand. Just that our constitutional arrangements would actually reflect the country.
They ran a vote on this before and it failed many in NZ loved the Queen its a shame we get represented on the world stage by Ardern
As a UK citizen, I would really miss NZ as part of the commonwealth. Your family!
no appetite for a republic from significant majority of kiwis.
So intimate is the relation between a language and the people who speak it that two …
1% speak Maori!
If New Zealand will become a Republic, what will make this country more prosperous or vice versa, this will be the focus of any concept that will be introduced to the people in the next leadership for a better future that the point.
@ Brown Capri: Why do you think declaring a republic would make New Zealand more prosperous? It does not seem logical to me. But perhaps you have a comprehensible explanation.
@Gabriel Torres technically true,
Do you mean like the Republic of North Korea? Orthe Republic of China?
@@truthsupporter4119 Nah matey, non of them.
@@browncapri1996 Because that's what the World Economic Forum wants and Jacinda is a member of the World Economic Forum.
She tells Lies !!!! She tell lies!!
The biggest lie is hes a she
The headline is misleading, The word "says" indicates present time. This was a past remark in days gone by. Jacinda they are out to get you.
Days gone by? What the hell 2 days ago! If NZ was to go to a republic don't you think that's something the general public should have a say in? Or does Jacinda know best for all of us?
Statements like that show an arrogant attitude to democracy and a severe attitude towards a dictatorship.
All I know is that I love visiting NZ , not sure I would live there... but its an amazing country to travel around.... don't know if becoming a Republic would make much difference tbh
I would live in NZ.
@@beast6029 it is insanely overrated
@@beast6029 nz is where you go to run away from your problems
@@Stinkmeaner420 ik
@@MJ-qb5ph Lol. Not as overrated as America and most of Europe. Also, NZ is one of the most beautiful looking countries on the planet.
3:32 I love when she visibly switches gears here.
What great thing would potentially leaving the commonwealth and/or becoming a republic achieve for any member nation? What does becoming a republic do for a nation or its people that it cannot do already? Or is it just pure optics?
I believe it’s pure optics
For citizens of poorer countries, you get scholarships (ie wealth that was stolen from your ancestors)
You do realise 80% of the Commonwealth are Republics right? Becoming a republic doesn’t mean leaving the Commonwealth.
Not what becoming a republic would entail. Being a member of the commonwealth and having the king as head of state are not the same thing. Removing the king as head of state, i.e becoming a republic, wouldn't make NZ leave the commonwealth. Countries like South Africa and India are in the commonwealth and are republics for instance.
@@NyanyiC it wasn’t stolen it was conquered. Just like every other piece of land on this earth except for the poles. The same thing happened in England, you don’t hear the English asking for anything from the Scandinavia country’s for when they pillaged and murdered the English country side then took the crown. This world is never going to move forward until people put the past behind them. I’m a marionette Lebanese, my great grandfather was worked to death by an Turkish prince because they needed his mule. My family had to pay taxes just to practice our religion for close to a millennia. No one owes me anything. If we can’t move past the past how are we going to create a better future? The world was a shitty place for a long time, most of its existence. But to truly make this world a better place every one needs to just get over the past treat each other with respect and stop holding grudges. This life is what you make it.
Canada will never break away from the Monarchy. It’s simply too complicated and not worth the effort. And I’m glad
How would that be complicated, is Canada a sovereign nation or a colony?
Yeah I don’t understand the reasons for doing it. It’s not like Britain has any power or influence in Canada or New Zealand, it’s purely symbolic and a show of unity and a shared culture and language in an ever changing word. If New Zealand are too go republic, they would have to remove the Union Jack from their flag as well and that is basically saying “we want to erase our identity and any evidence that you were ever here”. This will be worrying to many as a lot of people in the anglosphere are already concerned that New Zealand are becoming to close to China. If they do then they should be removed from the 5 eyes intelligence sharing between anglosphere nations because we won’t be able to trust them
@@oracle8589 If the Kiwi's decided on a St George's Cross beneath a pile of shit for a flag it would be none of anyone elses bloody business.
@@tomvanaarle2622 for Canada to become a republic it would require unanimous consent between the federal parliament and all 10 provincial legislatures, so if just one province objects it won’t be possible. That’s not even mentioning it popular referendums are held or the complications caused by crown-indigenous treaties.
never is quite a strong word
I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of the relationship of Maori with ‘Queen Victoria and her successors’. ‘The Crown’ is not just some ephemeral synonym for ‘the government’. It is clear in the Treaty of Waitangi that that relationship is both specific and personal.
Whilst a Republican leaning Kiwi myself, I still see value both in the constitutional arrangement and the relationship. I also think that it is vital that the Māori perspective is front and centre in any debate we have. The gains of the last three decades are far too critical to imperil and the realities of a Republican government when we have no written Constitution require a lot of consideration. We are a long way from a solution to that and while the former PM, Sir Geoffrey Palmer has his draft, I am more than cautious about his ivory tower experimentation. He is infamous amongst officials for declaring that the inclusion of reference to the Treaty of Waitangi in State Sector legislation was essentially meaningless in law. It proved to be otherwise.
She's probably right though, the reality is that in this era NZ has very little to gain from being linked to the UK. Economicly NZ seems to be in a far better position than the UK. Per capita kiwis earn more than in the UK. These days on the world stage, the UK is very much thought of as a dieing empire of which it's citizens are clinched to the memory of.
One would hope that future NZ has the capacity and sense to declare itself a republic, claim the 2 million hectares of crown land it's own, and form a constitution where by all NZ citizens have equal opportunity within their country.
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc Bruh, we couldn't even make a real constitution hahaha. Wishful thinking.
Nz are weak lmao
Agree fully with you: but....two further points, the Treaty of Waitangi was never ratified (which is kinda Palmers point in law) and Queen Elizabeth in seven decades never did a single thing in advancing a ratification or re-ratification in her own name. Bluntly, Victoria never sign her assent and the Houses of Parliament never sent it to her. As Māori I feel adamant that the Treaty must be forefront of any constitution, but that will come from a new generation of rangitahi.
@@LaughableSynonyms I shudder at the idea of our current politicians having anything to do with forming something like a constitution.
When ?
She should be braver and promise a referendum on monarchy/republic. As it's the people who would decide about the form of state, and not a leader who has been way too spoiled by the World media.
She would be lucky if she survives next 2 years in office...
Unless more than 50% of New Zealanders asking for a referendum, why rush?
@@DC_10 yes, that's the thing. There isn't even a demand for a referendum. I just can't help this spoiled prime minister saying there will be a republic in her lifetime (as if her lifetime were more important than anybody else's) while still saying in the interview that she will not "instigate" the process as it is very complex. What a lazy, arrogant leader!
Are you kidding surely the people get to vote on this your a Democracy yes
Pretty bad time for that. Things need to calm down in this world before moving to an eventual République. In short there are many more pressing issues to deal with.
NZ is a very problematic place at the moment. It’s a very small country that is deeply nepotistic. Many people feel this nepotism has been fostered under guise of ‘empathy’ and ‘identity’ and this has caused huge problems.
What? "Nepotistic"? How?
How is NZ nepotistic?
@@boutek Considering what is happening in NZ around Maori and reverse racism, un-elected Maori assigned to City Council seats, Maori only Health board, every government department being renamed in Maori, I would be very weary of NZ becoming a republic, we are on a very slippery slope already and I don't want to see NZ become another Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter the driving force behind Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe was idiots like you the complete unwillingness to negotiate from a position of strength became the reason for why no one was willing to compromise with Rhodesia - Zimbabwe thus resulting in the internal settlement being rejected resulting in modern Zimbabwe.
@@Battleneter Well, this isn't what I imagine NZ to be like. I don't live there but my gf is from Auckland and she never mentioned Mugabe style governing and white people suffering under themselves.
If you want a course in deflecting from questions in parliament question time, meet Jacinta Ardern and Justin Treadeau.
When will the next video drop?
I do not understand why the British feel so right to leave the EU but those same people feel offended by countries that want to leave the commonwealth???
So true!!
Not all of us you're more then welcome to do one
100
How is the two tier society going Jacinda ??
Its still broken! Taking away all the restrictions and mandates is not even a band aide..
As a Canadian I'm grateful and proud to have monarchy in Canada. I like the fact that we have a shared monarch with New Zealand and the other Realms. I also value having a non political Head of State who's role is to ensure that there is a legitimate PM to lead a government that needs to act within the bounds of the constitution. Since the time of Queen Victoria (and arguably since George III) Canada and New Zealand have had dedicated Monarchs who put their duty first, they serve. Looking south to the great Republic to our southern boarder during the last election, I didn't see politicians putting their country first. I saw violence, selfishness, greed, and anger. I also sensed genuine instability if President Trump wanted to use his power of Commander in Chief to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. My view is that our Realms deserve better - and that we have a better system of Government. Hopefully CANZUK can move forward - as I would be very excited to grow the relations between our nations.
I am sorry non political?? Queen Elizabeth interfered regularly with laws especially for her predator son
Our relationship with the monarchy kinda defined us as Canadians as oppose to been americans....those darn rebels ahahahahah. But yes, having a monarchy does dissuade from cult of personality developing around politician. I don't see any of us fawning over our prime ministers.
CANZUK is the way forward.
Well said
Yes. One seldom-mentioned advantage of a monarchy is that provided a constitutional monarch can earn the respect and reasonable allegiance of the majority of the population, he or she can prevent a prime minister granting himself a lifetime dictatorship. That is a valuable safeguard.
Can’t imagine why NZ becoming a republic is so important. Not like it’s somehow not an independent country. Always thought it was admirable how NZ, Australia and Canada, along with others, maintained that tie to the UK. While some similar countries in the Caribbean may cut that tie in the years to come, it’s not a surprise. Their relationship to the UK was more complicated and there are still grievances. Don’t think the same holds for NZ/AU/CA. Now that the UK left the EU there is an opportunity to forge a closer bond and not be so dependent on the US.
Mainly because it's complete nonsense having your head of state an unelected monarch who resides thousands of miles away
TPPA
@@alancawfield6549 Exactly
@@alancawfield6549 you would prefer a King Donald Trump? Who wants to leave NATO?
@@alancawfield6549 We have King Charles and Prince William. The Americans have Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
Jacinda is getting a surveillance system built by China's military installed for AI security in NZ. This means that China will have full access to it.
Not sure Mrs Adern represents the true feeling of the nation, why is she getting airtime when she personally, vehemently opposes the monarchy.
Because she is the current of the NZ pm although I hear you
Because she is right! With immigration not coming from the UK as much any more ................ the monarchy becomes less relevant in NZ, Canada and Australia!
aaah maybe because she’s the prime minister? Stupidest comment of the day goes to you 😂 👏
Because she's always on our f'n tv, during covid she was literally on it an hour a day 6 days a week like a loony. The other day she was dressed up in some wearable arts clothes being a model on the runway the other day I don't know if she actually does a job properly. Shes been on our tv more than any other prime minister. If it's not that she's banning rubbish lol first it was plastic bags in which they still have plastic bags just with writing on them saying reuse me, people used to reuse and return the ones she banned, so not really banning plastic bags, then it was vegetable wrapping banning but still they had plastic bags for collecting veges so not really banned and last week it was a ban on takeaway containers, the takeaway shops had no clue it was totally disorganized, no warning and so they're like how are we supposed to sell our food with no containers when they are all sold out at the wholesalers, once again putting businesses in a really risky situation because then how do they sell their goods and make money. Like how much praise can one give themselves for banning individual rubbish items that could be solved once with implemented soft plastic recycling systems but instead choose to spend 360 million on television station merging which she loves being on, she's amazingly a terrible prime minister. Anything she wants to do, I can guarantee, the opposite is the best idea.
@@noelgenoway9360 be careful what you wish for, us colonials will all come back to our indigenous lands lol 😇
They should discuss the the advantages and timing and like a vote on flag...
Enjoyed it!
I swear she spends more time trying to grab headlines than being a PM, even the AUS PM who campaigned as pro republic had enough decency to not discuss it before the funeral. She’s a decent PM when she actually does the job, but saying NZ will be a republic when literally 5 years ago there was a vote to remove the Union Jack from the flag and everyone voted unanimously in favour of keeping it. If NZ was going to be a republic it would already be one, there’s been 200 years since the entire pakiha population was born in UK and it’s still not a republic. That’s the actual fact.
I think she answered that question rather well. I suspect time is the key ingredient for NZ to go republic. I don't see why we need to do that next week. this country doesn't move that fast. oh yeah..that flag thing was a bit of a debacle by John Key right? I remember that bit.
Exactly. And yes, shes been very disappointing this term. I didnt vote for her but Im still not impressed with her leadership this term. Shes been lacking. What annoys me is Light Rail. She threw Winston Peters under the bus and blamed Light Rail on him basically calling him the red tap. But hes not in parliament and theres no Light Rail. Shes too busy impressing the world, instead if being a competent leader which is what impressed the world in the first place.
@@HaunaniPao I have no issue with NZ going to be a republic, but only if it had some sort of economic benefit. Being a republic could mean leaving the commonwealth which for a country the size of NZ is a huge asset. To be taken seriously on the world stage your voice needs power and NZ does not have the geographic or economic position to be able to say “in my lifetime it will be a republic” it should only be one if that decision does more for New Zealanders than remaining. It’s just a completely disrespectful comment right before the queens funeral based off literally nothing, that statement could actually damage our position in the commonwealth.
@@jeringatai3156 the problem is I will vote for her because the other options are absolutely terrible lol, she is a good professional, but I don’t like comments like this from any politician it’s naive to make such definitive statements that could likely have a negative impact on New Zealand’s position. No way in heck can New Zealand leave the commonwealth. If it left and decided to make new trade deals, it’s completely at the mercy of those countries making the deals, if all countries gave us bad deals, there’s no association to lobby it NZ would be on its own. And it’s not geographically located between trade routes, and it’s not large enough to have an economy that impacts the rest of the world. It’s just a dumb comment from someone who should be a lot wiser.
She was asked by the reporter BOZO
As one resident of Charleston said just prior to the Civil War, “South Carolina is too small for a republic, and too large for an insane asylum.”
She is probably right though 🤷♂️ NZ has become very unlinked to the UK from an economy perspective and realistically gains very little from being linked to it in any way... it's only natural that the public observe distinction and move in the direction of a republic...
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc agreed
@@AntonioGarcia-zr9uc New Zealand is an independent country, but it's going to be subjected to foreign influence of the US and China regardless of what it decides on the commonwealth.
At least the British Monarchy is willing to listen to popular opinion. The US is only interested in its business and foreign interest, and so is China.
It's good to be independent, but outside of a larger organization like the EU, an alliance with the British Commonwealth, or Pacific Democracies, a NZ Republic will be dominated.
@@ritemolawbks8012
Americans are moving to Isolationism again. Americans are ending trade relations with China. The only American interest in NZ is tourism by Rich people.
@@bvkronenberg6786 That's neither US foreign policy nor remotely close to being true, but if it helps you feel better making random statements, then that's your right.
That might be her wish and she is working very hard to make it so, but there is a large proportion of the population who disagree. That includes a lot of the tribes who signed a treaty with the Crown. She has written principles of the treaty into legislation she has enacted. The tribes however have signed UNDRIP which was ratified by the government which could lead to tribes governing alone.
She has done a great job in dividing our nation in the guise of unity. It doesn't matter what the people say - she will go ahead with the agenda set before her no matter what. I hope more people of NZ wake up to what is going on - it is heartbreaking.
Totally agree. She doesn’t speak for us, she’s not so smart
You won’t prevent a pandemic like you did. You didn’t do anything other than kill people and the economy
NZ is totally blessed to have Ms. Ardern as a leader. Based on history, her efforts to make the country a Republic are extremely important, because that form of governance has been shown to promote better democracy, improved economic conditions and a generally improved quality of life for the greater majority. This isn't hypothetical, it's well established. However, history has also shown that major improvements in governing, i.e., transitioning from authoritarian to a democracy are always met with strong resistance from the Far Right and the less educated so her work is just beginning.
@@jlvandat69if republics are so great then why are the most democratic countries in the world monarchies?
if we became a republic we’d be so cringe
Why?
No you wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world, just a suck hole colony and the world knows it.
You'll be ok you're just a tiny country who know body bothers or even thinks of
Guess what - Jacinda doesn't speak for the rest of us!
Jacinda Ardern incredibly well spoken.
As a New Zealander who has to live with her lies and Marxist racially divisive agenda I know she is a silver tongued viper.
Shame she is a rubbish PM eh.
Her voice is horrid and shrill, her fascist, passive-aggressive neo-left policies are another.
Hated around the world.
@@davidedbrooke9324 Liz Truss isn't even well spoken. One Nil to NZ.
@grain so what? she ever says in front of King when they met. Lift hand always like being the show in the tv interview after! Rubbish lift hand
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As a Canadian I don't really care about the Monarchy either. Seeing this outpouring of love from the Monarchy from fellow Canadians shows many people still do, though.
No one is happy with Trudeau from what I read.
I hope Charlie will take the opportunity to talk pollution just as she planned.
He has been talking for decades about everyone else, but forgot to look in the mirror. I hope he will take the opportunity to change his own ways. Is there anyone else in the UK with a higher carbon footprint than him! Out of a population of 67.000,000 he is probably one of the very worst contributors to global warming.
Pollution from all those palaces.
Pollution from all those private planes.
Pollution from all those cars.
Worst of all pollution of democracy.
Not sure why you would travel to the funeral of your monarch and then start spruiking your becoming a republic before she is even in the ground. You just can't take the politics out of a politician - lol.
Then why send invitation?
She was asked
This is just what Jacinda Ardern wants so she is saying it will happen. In reality New Zealanders have mixed feelings about this and there's no real drive to change the status quo.
But she "speaks for New Zealand". Did you get that? A PM with 30% approval ratings thinks she still "speaks for New Zealand". Okay.
@@warwoods agreed she has done nothing but smile for the camera and look
ernest but it's all empty words
Let us jump before we are pushed & end the uncertainty now!
Very much against this
that's because you are just a suck hole.
Hoss chops does not deserve any affiliation with the UK.. but what really matters is what the people of NZ want
Republics>>>>>Monarchy
Been living alone for long ? I wonder why.
@@mikehutchison4892 who me??.. LOL.. i would love the chance to be left alone
shows what you know
Alot of kiwis don't agree with her and just want to pay respect,she has a big mouth and should be voted out
exactly!
And so it begins 🙌🏻
Incredible video!
remember that advice people, YOU JUST GET ON WITH IT 🤔
She is getting on with it for sure - destruction of our country and our people!!!
She looks more and more like Olivia Colman every day.
Not one bit
Monarchy is Public Relation arm of the UK . Benefits outweigh the costs many times over.
However, queen/king being head of state elsewhere is just ridiculous.
It really just makes sense within the UK, not for the other nations... Having a king in London does not bring tourism to NZ. :)
NZ a republic, that’s Jacinda’s course, not necessarily the NZ public. It might be a dream of yours, maybe not ours.
she said the complete opposite
wasn't it National party call to go Republic, they tried to change the flag and iit flopped.
I don’t think it will and I’m a kiwi. There are some that want to be a republic others don’t care either way and others who like it the way it is. Then there’s me who love the royal family and the relationship with Britain
I understand change if there is a given or tangible upside, even if it is potential. I agree with you - I can't see a huge upside. I suppose in the eyes of some it is like a SJW dying their hair a different colour as a protest to something that not many folk give two hoots about. I hope the commonwealth remains intact and is developed further to everyones mutual benefit without any burden on the members or their people. I suspect Ms Arden would leave the commonwealth and join a much more restrictive and invasive supranational in a heartbeat which would be tangibly detrimental to the choices and freedoms of the people but rather a boon for the political class and the corporations that lobby for just such stealthy control over national democracy.
Sometimes the children need to leave home in order to reach their own version of adulthood and contribution. I suspect Australia will make the jump first, once done NZ will shortly follow. The process will also offer a lot of healing toward the indigenous peoples of both countries.
If you do simple maths on you comment the answer is Yes. As you said there are 3 groups- ..1.who wants 2. don't care 3. like the way it is.. So the probability is already 66.6% towards becoming republic. However, lets not take granted no 2. group who don't care.. they are the main equilibrium to shift the nations decisions.. People- Power - Politics.
My problem is USA. That country is full of nut jobs and those nut jobs are in the white house. If and when NZ becomes a republic, whats stopping USA from annexing the country and turning New Zealand into a territory.
There have been many internet warriors claiming NZ is defenceless due to strict gunlaws. NZ is a rich country and rich in resources. The only thing stopping USA from invading is the commonwealth.
@@linnightl9277 We wasted all that money on the flag shambles, half the country looses the plot everytime we suggest changing our name to Aotearoa and we decided to keep cannabis criminalized. V progressive. definitely see us leaving. 😉
Keen for Australia to follow suit.
Yep be proud and become republic's not suck hole colony's and laughing stock of the world. I have traveled the planet we are the laughing stock.
That's not how I view Australia and I am from the UK. You are certainly not a laughing stock. We are proud that you and NZ are part of the commonwealth and don't want you to leave
Awesome video!
Nice conversation
Jacinda, the Queen of Spin.
She rehearsed all her lines prior, a fake.
What will it mean to become a republic. What advantages are there and what disadvantages of leaving will there be?
There are no advantages to becoming a republic.
There are no disadvantages to becoming a republic.
It is simply a question of what we want to be.
Different picture on the coins, that’s about it 🤷♂️
You wont be a suck hole colony and laughing stock of the world like you are now.
People have traveled from all over the world and seeing older people , disabled and children in the queue. I know is hard for the British people because she has been the only queen they know. I am glad she witnessed her Majesty’s observation of the treaty with New Zealand. Her majesty knew the world changes just like Queen Mary did at her time.
What will become of the Treaty if the Crown is no more in the political formula? Republic is not a solution to the problems we currently have.
There is little coercion from the crown and it,s been that way for a coupe of generations. We are our own dog. The question is to me irrelevant, except perhaps the devil you know is better than the one you dont.
Just the sort of thing one wants to hear from one of the Queen's, and now King's, first ministers, or indeed from anyone who ever took an oath of allegiance. Worth the cheap paper they're usually printed on for the oath-taker's reference, apparently. Still, thanks to Ms. Ardern. Always worth knowing the qualities and character of statespersons with an international profile so one can know what to think of them.
Exactly. They have no concept of treason.
She speaks for herself not new Zealand
Sychophant - a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage
Why do you say that?
She is a nice person
@@kanjanathevik5234 A nice person might have spoken highly of a facist dictator for the same reasons. Such gushing is not out of choice, it comes from the pressure of expectation. And it is this pressure to fawn over and adorn with admiration and respect that seves to constantly reinforce the power structure that is monarchy, the same system of empire that oppressed and exploited remains today.
Kiwi here. Thanks for everything Britain, we were a young country but we’re ready now to stand on our own two feet. The King is well loved but in my opinion there’s no practical sense to having your ruler living 15,000km away. It’ll happen at some point, just a matter of when
If nz got attacked then it would be prudent to have the back of the UK 🇬🇧
@@richlee509 since 1840 no country has battled with New Zealand. All I can think of is France and the rainbow warrior, but other than that all Kiwi deaths in international conflict have been from fighting for Britain. I see it as being the other way round
@@Stopanimalabuse34 relevant to the video though isn’t it?
Love it
As a New Zealander, we should stick with the monarchy, long live the king! No advantage in being a republic, our country is tiny, we have great ties with the United Kingdom.
They abandoned us when they joined the EU back in the day. They don't allow us British citizenship. We already trade with them and are in the commonwealth games. Many countries with independence are still in the games. What do we really gain from this archaic tradition? We just don't need a Monarch.
Australia will become republic
@@Madikon07 Good luck with that, for China🇨🇳 will benefit it, if Australia🇦🇺 considers the plan of ditching the monarchy, much how it was done Barbados🇧🇧 in ditching the monarchy and become a republic.
Also, China be condemned.
@@ajpat9620 What's wrong with Barbados? Are you on drugs?
@@Madikon07 Like, anyone are assuming that Barbados could fall into poverty if their government is a mess and economy falling, like Haiti.
P.S. - I don't do drugs and that accusation is wrong and absurd.
Reminds me of the Aliens movie where the second set of teeth come at you.
As a New Zealander I am appalled at Jacinda Ardern. Imagine if she was New Zealands head of state 😳 frightening. The best part of having a monarch as head of state is that politicians are held accountable by someone who doesn't strive for power but is born into it and is trained to be unbiased, think on the longest term rather than just keeping themselves in power. And are based in service. A founding that politicians never have. Jacinda is the perfect example. She has bankrupted our economy, has fractured relationships within New Zealand between many New Zealanders and cares more about her overseas exposure and 'fame' as a jumping board for a UN job than actual New Zealanders living in the country.
This stupid woman does not reflect my wishes... she needs to go... back to her ancestral lands and remain there and leave New Zealand alone!
Well said, Kia ora!
@Bell Olli I know that. I don't think it makes a difference. Its about mental accountability. There was a study I read years ago that compared stability, and levels of corruption in countries that had monarchs as head of state vs politicians. It was extreemely clear that even though monarchs do not have direct power in systems like New Zealand there is more stability and less corruption overall. Not none, but more stability, less corruption.
You literally have no idea how a Republic works
@@bartymurns I am generalising so I guess you are right. But if you do not see the NZ economy in a dire state because of her crazy spending then I am shocked. Honestly though, If you think I am seriously missing something, please do explain, I would genuinely be interested.
Without a democracy, the interest of the subjects are not taken into account. Only the interests if whoever is in charge of the government is. Hence, no accountability for mistakes if it harms the citizens and no reason for leaders to have said interest in taking the subjects interest into account. Effectively being a different type of monarchy.
right. democratic nations taking accountability. good one 😂
Monarchy is what protects democracy from the very thing you speak of.
oh forgive me, I was under the impression that NZ was a democracy. I think I also read, somewhere, that I live in a democracy too, the UK.
WTF are you pontificating about. NZ is a democracy. Like the UK.
@@spaceforce0 We are all democracies. The least democratic country in the Anglosphere, is the USA - which is a republic. Their president can sit and write unlimited "executive orders" - passing laws without any democratic accountability.
She needs to look at opinion polling. I m not sure our Jaconda os right. By percentage NZers are consistently pro monarchy.
She is a he your prime minister is an mtf drag
Monarchy brings stability against politicians.
Politicians don't want the best for the people.
any examples?
But unelected monarchs living off the tax payer dole do? Give me a break. Respect to the queen, not relishing in anyone’s passing, but get a grip, boot licker
@@yetidodger6650 none, it’s just one of the made-up excuses that monarchist crayon chewers use to justify their stupid, outdated system
Can you make more videos please
If NZ does become a republic it will cause absolute havoc with the Māori, I doubt it ever will there would have to be overwhelming public support (60+ in agreement) and there simply isn’t.
Why would if cause havoc with them?
@@Joe-og6br because the monarchy is overwhelmingly supported by the native New Zealanders and the latest polls show the majority of non native New Zealanders support the monarch. Plus the treaty was officially enforced by the crown and it is the glue keeping it together.
@@Joe-og6br Why would it cause havoc with them you ask...How does a Republic work?....Maori represent 17% of the population in New Zealand max...Kiss goodbye to any leverage they currently enjoy all it takes is one election and your done.
WEFtists thrive on absolute havoc....she will pick up Klaus Schwabs new orders at the UN, whizzzz home, and implement them.
what are benefits of being a banana republic?
OMG President Arden or Clark or Key beware what you wish for
She is so bloody nice.
And doesn't mean it.
Yea. Commonwealth is in the bin now. Even Scotland leaving
@@babblo1389 hopefully. 🏴
@@babblo1389 no we aren't!!
@@jmcc2275 in yer dreams
IMO we should get rid of the monarchy, but keep the Commonwealth. Set up the Commonwealth in a way similar to the EU. Have a council of representatives from each country, with an elected President/Chairman. The Council would have certain limited power, but the countries retain their current individuality.
In this way we can maintain our close ties, economic and trade benefits, etc.
NOTHING should be like the EU.
no way
Great video