Titan V Gaming Benchmarks: An Async Future for nVidia
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Benchmarking the nVidia Titan V in gaming to determine how Volta vs. Pascal will play out, featuring the Titan Xp, 1080 Ti, and Vega 64.
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This nVidia Titan V gaming benchmark tests the Volta architecture versus Pascal architecture across DirectX 11, DirectX 12, Vulkan, and synthetic applications. We purchased the Titan V for editorial purposes, and will be dedicating the next few days to dissecting every aspect of the card, much like we did for Vega: Frontier Edition in the summer.
The nVidia Titan V graphics card is not targeted at gamers, but rather at scientific and machine/deep learning applications. That does not, however, mean that the card is incapable of gaming, nor does it mean that we can’t extrapolate future key performance metrics for Volta. The Titan V is a derivative of the earlier-released GV100 GPU, part of the Tesla accelerator card series. The key differentiator is that the Titan V ships at $3000, whereas the Tesla V100 was available as part of a $10,000 developer kit. The Tesla V100 still offers greater memory capacity by 4GB - 16GB HBM2 versus 12GB HBM2 - and has a wider memory interface, but other core features remain matched or nearly matched. Core count, for one, is 5120 CUDA cores on each GPU, with 640 Tensor cores (used for Tensorflow deep/machine learning workloads) on each GPU.
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Gamers Nexus 4K 144hz at 3000$.
looks like a threadripper aio might be the way to go.
is there a setting where this card can achieve 999/1000+ fps on csgo?
Gamers Nexus any chance you can benchmark and show the difference in machine learning with some common libraries, TensorFlow, PyTorch, etc ?
Gamers Nexus would you like to test an Asus 1080Ti Poseidon? I have one you could borrow. ^_^
Steve and GN bring the REAL DEAL to the tech scene. Great job, and quick at that! Thank you!
foreign's gaming tech Thanks, foreign!
Trully Steve and Buildzoid are BEST on the testing Scene from my point of View. Actually TEASTING hardware not just slaming it in testbench and running same benchmarks as everyone :)
I'm an electical engineer and I absolutely agree with that. It's very different to and much better than the other "techchannels"! Much more in-depth, rational, professional and sympathetic. Thank's guys!
I'm amazed at how fast you got and benchmarked it. Amazing work.
Time to Oil Up!! (Steve's Hair)
Adderall is a helluva drug
He who comes first.... well, gets a shitload of new audience. That's why he probably worked his ass off to get his hands on this piece of hardware, and I salute that.
Yeah, boy.
I had to give this video a thumbs up when you said "There's no point in going through all that when you can just read it."
Edit: Wolfenstein: The New Colossus uses Vulkan, but since it uses the same engine as DOOM, I'm not sure if it would really add variety to your benchmarks. It certainly is a more demanding implementation of idtech6, however.
Wolfenstein 2's engine has differences to DOOM's. As per the developers and id.
I'm not sure Jordy was stating that there's no differences, but that the differences might not be substantial enough to include in the testings.
Well... it seems to be MUCH heavier in tessellation and geometry than doom. MUCH heavier.
plot twist, neither doom nor wolfenstein use tessellation.
"Wolfenstein: The New Colossus uses Vulkan, but since it uses the same engine as DOOM"
No it doesn't. Id's confirmed that they've made large internal changes to the engine.
The real "first" award goes to Steve.
Damn you’re busy! Winning!
Titan V OC: 142.2 fps
1080Ti OC: 91.1 fps
That's a 56% increase in avg. fps @ 4K over an overclocked 1080Ti FTW3... and this is not a gaming card??? Impressive. Most impressive.
That's because Pascal can currently only half-ass async compute, whereas Volta properly does it.
Is it that impressive? 1080 Ti is nearly twice as powerful as a 980 Ti. Doesn't sound like Volta will be anywhere near twice as powerful as a 1080 Ti.
Of course maybe the gaming voltas will be more optimized for games and run at higher clockspeeds so perhaps they will be significantly faster in games.
SlavjanA stupid amd fanboy
Tractionless It is a gaming card tho. It might not be advertised or priced as one, but it has all that the gaming variants will have and more. Nvidia wouldn't release a card and drivers that weren't also optimised gaming, they know its going to be benchmarked for gaming and its a chance to create buzz for volta. Not having a game optimised driver would be a bad PR move and Nvidia aren't stupid when it comes to marketing.
Yes in those 3 to 4 particular games and no doubt some other games too. But what about some of the games where it was only 10-15 FPS ahead or even 1-5? That is not enough of an improvement. The 1080Ti was 60-65 percent faster than 980Ti. That was a significant improvement. Although, It overclocks really well but at stock speed compared to the other's at stock speed in my opinion it is not too impressive. Only in some titles it was. Regardless the cards coming out in 2018/2019 look really good even if they will be cut down versions of this card. I or anyone else does not know of course so cannot say until more information is released on them. I hope that is not the case for the XX80/XX80Ti. Probably will be for the XX50/60/70. I would recommend most people wait for the 1180Ti or whatever they call it. But if they want the XX60/70/80 then of course get it too. Just do not buy this $3,000 deep learning card. Some people with too much money will. It is their money to spend but it is kind of silly.
why are there 4 stacks of hbm visible? arent there supposed to be only 3?(maybe they reused parts of higher tier voltas? )
PeterDerBeste One is disabled. V100 (the Tesla) has 16GB HBM2, while this has 12. It may be for weight distribution or just be cheaper to produce the same package. Great question!
Peter and Gamers Nexus, at 4:40, if you look close you can actually see three distinct HBM modules, but the one on the bottom right of the die isn’t separated like the other 3 are. The epoxy resin goes around the two on the left of the die and the one at the top right, but not the one on the lower right. I am stating this as you would read the words, looking from the pci bracket. If there was truly 4 HBM stacks, why wouldn’t they just run the epoxy resin around number 4?
thanks a lot :)
Scarlet tech good observation, didn't notice,
And that's funny as well the die looks to have a funny shape at the top and goes around the 2 good HBM2 dies, it's obviously isn't the die, not the interposer either, funny. Can't see from the video if all those pieces are part of the die silicon, it also looks like the non HBM "chip" is part of the die silicon. It's like they cut the die bigger on the wafer to be able to level everything out, if that's the case it's probably not very cost effective, but then it's a 3k card so...
PeterDerBeste s
I personally can see Nvidia putting tensor cores into gaming GPUs. I have seen a bunch of research and tests using neural networks for physics simulations. They ended up using less compute then traditional liquid physics. It was still in testing. But I could see machine learning based gaming engines becoming a thing within the next few years.
With those tensor cores, it could be very nice to run physics on those. And keeping the rendering process in the traditional parts of a GPU.
LordDecapo Essentially this comes down to being able to utilise the fast 4x4 matrix operations that the tensor cores are designed for. It’s possible, but until that tricked down into APIs game developers actually use is a different question.
Mashy Green oh ya for sure. A good ML Physics API that can utilize the tensor cores to there fullest will 100% be needed. I personally think that is something that we can look forward to sooner rather then later (a couple yrs vs 10 or so)
LordDecapo I hope so, but from the little I know it’s mainly grid-based physics solvers that are starting to look at how to utilise tensor-cores. Games (I think) mostly use particle-based fluid simulations (rather than grid based) and I don’t think there has been much work (at least in the scientific community) in that regards. I only know things from the computational fluid dynamics (CFD) side of things, it could well be things are more advanced in computer graphics research. I’m hoping to find the time to check out if we could utilise tenor cores in our own CFD codes in the near future. :)
There's a problem here. Tensor cores are meant for neural network/AI training (optimising the neural network so that it can better solve the problems it's designed for). Tensor cores are not designed to run those neural networks to solve problems, like physics simulations.
Kepe a tensor core is exactly that... a core that operates on tensors. All neural networks use tensors. Just cause this is may be made for classification based NNs it can still run any NN u can throw at it... faster then traditional GPU cores.
The physics simulations I have seen with NN have been mostly grid based like the guy above said. But I have seen one that did a partical style simulation and did so using a fraction of the compute compared to traditional methods.
These tensor cores could fully fun that simulation, very very well
Steve i guess you're the first tech press to put a true a analysis of the Titan V, well done mate!
Nice performance boost, will be interesting to see how the GeForce Volta cards do next year!
there's nothing quite like Jesus telling you how you don't need a $3000 gpu while it's guts are splayed at his feet.
all hail steve
Can't wait to see what the consumer versions of volta will put out.
With the failed vega ,nvdia is on winning side they can stay like this. Too much power on nvdia side its like intel again ...
I'm from the future, there were none
Lol lmao
Steve do you sleep at all?
Rumor has it he got a full 30 minutes last in 2008 and is on a 10-year cycle so we should see a small blip in videos next year.
HBM is the reason this monster can be cooled with the nvidia blower cooler, gddr5x would increase the heat even further
HBM is also the reason this card stutters in games.
Nightcore Fusion Yeah because drivers and games aren't quite optimised for HBM yet...
And yet this design has been used for many cards with GDDR5X. This cooler design is below the limit of the GPU die. This card is begging for liquid cooling solution.
vega and fury work well with games and used hbm actually vega uses a different hbm design which cuts bandwidth down but eh
CPU bottleneck at 4k,now that is what I am talking about.
Maybe he should've tested it with an 8700K or and HEDT CPU like the 7980XE @ 4.8Ghz to eliminate all chances of bottlenecking it
+Noobish i7 7700k.
Kaby lake 7700K
+jakeOcowell Btw, HEDT cpu's, atleast Kaby Lake X, are slower than Kaby Lake. Strange ( without getting into more details) but true.
I know that, but a 8700K would've been better i tkink, just saying
Just wanted to say that your explanation of graphs and the way they are set out on screen is superb! Very easy to understand and very informative. Great job!
Perhaps do b-roll right after you unbox. The light makes all the finger prints and doesn't show up. Great video! Excited for consumer voltas
Dude... You make great tech vids
hearing steve say that tensor cores will never come to gaming gpus is funny
not saying that 3 years ago it made sense for them to, but now with rtx 2000 and 3000 it shows how much ai can improve gaming with DLSS, and its funny to see that no one thought of the AI potential back then
Titan > Titan X > Titan Z > Titan X(p) > Titan V
What next? Titan Y? Titan W?
Anyway, great video as always, GN! :D
You missed the Titan X (Pascal), which is not the same as the Titan Xp or Titan X (Maxwell).
Titan XP, Titan V(ista), Titan 7
Titan VvTi black edition
Titan W
Bayonet is that in order of performance
Would love to see revisit of this card and how it compares to 2000series overall and with ray tracing testint too. What a marvelous piece of tech
Excellent job, I think you guys are the first to analyse the Titan V in a detailed way
Best in-depth Tech-Reviews of YT.. continue your awesome work!
potential gaming volta GPUs would probably have the stuff like tensor cores turned off because there is no use for tensor cores in gaming... that definitely aged well :D
This has probably been the most "in-depth" review that you all have done and I am loving it. Very interesting. I makes me excited and optimistic as to what the next near, as well as the future will hold. Very intense stuff. Keep up the dedicated works guys...and Snowflake. LoL :-)
Radeon Adrenalin review please GN
Great video
"Tensor cores wont be used in future gaming cards"
That sure is one powerful card.
Great review as always, Steve. Have you done any investigation on the NVLink aspect of the card yet? For an upgrade from Xp SLI, the question of whether NVLink was actually active would be a big factor.
I have a question. Since this Titan is 3x more expensive than the other and there hasn't been a Quadro yet, how much more expensive would the "consumer" Volta cards be than Pascal ones? Will the smaller nm gain even be worth the cost?
If Tensor cores WERE implemented into games, could they be used for i.e. AI learning in-game? Obviously not any time soon, but possible I think?
BladeScraper, it will be too much for developer to do. No one would do that. (learn what it does, how to convert the code / rewrite the code, patch the game). Very nice idea, but to do all this for 0.001% of gamer. Not happening.
Cool, was just curious. Didn't figure it would be.
Yes, but you need 2 gpu. One for the graphics/physic and one for a.i. :)
Good idea but if the A.I in game were learning all the time, the difficulty would go through the roof before the end. It would make almost any game unplayable, just imagine an RTS game where the opponents get smarter with every turn... You'd never be able to win.
A truly smart opponent would ensure we had the impression that we could win to keep us playing (and keep itself alive for longer), before brutally crushing us at the last minute.
Digital Foundry used to be my favorite channel for gaming, because they covered from top to bottom PC and console gaming and hardware. But now they are pretty much covering console games only. GN, on the other hand, is a very complete and competent at that, covering PC hardware. Thanks for bringing your content always as fast as quality allows. Great channel.
Goddamn. 100+ FPS at 4k on most games. Can't wait for the volta ti and these rumored 4k 120 fps g-sync monitors. Late 2018 is gonna be a good time to upgrade I think.
Damn, Steve, I wasn't expecting you guys to have benchmarks out before Linus.
Right on!
Awesome review, you guys are the best tech channel. Thank you for not using those silly thumbnails with over-the-top expressions the others do. Great mod mat! Innovative and very useful.
Gamers Nexus is one of the few RUclips channels I turn off adblocker for. Consistently producing great content. I'll become a patron when I can afford it.
yall are crazy fast and in depth. its great
Damn! What a review... Full on.. thanks for going the extra mile Steve..
Cheers
Best tech channel on RUclips. Professional and informative. Thank you!
Do you think for gaming cards they will release a Titan Xv (without the Tensor cores and all A.I. Deeplearning bits) or just the Volta equivalents of the 1080 1080 ti etc.
4k 8x MSAA WTF!!!
Epic shot of the modmat at 1:37 with the card on it
Great video. Subscribed as I’m curious about shunting and watercooling my Titan V. Did you happen to run an superposition benches? I been having stability issues trying to run them with a light overclock.
Jesus Steve, you keep blowing my mind with how fast and good your content is! You're a force of good for the industry, at least at this moment; I'm sure you wouldn't want people to place blind faith in you since you might turn into the h500p! Jokes aside, again keep up the great work and happy holidays!
Seriously, how much do you work each day :S?
Gamers Nexus, is it possible for you to upgrade your website in the future, so that people can search for previous articles.
: )
I wanted to look for past articles about power supply reviews, but found your website to be hard to search through.
Well it’s a shame only 196k people know how valuable is this channel! Great content Steve. Hope you get loads of more subscribers
Thank you for yet another informative video. You guys are professionals and don't dive into memes and other strategies to attract younger crowds to boost views. All of this combined makes you the best tech channel on RUclips of this year, in my humble opinion. Cheers!
Oh yeah... Nicely done Steve and GN Team! Bringing the goods like no other tech channel. Subbed!
I wonder if someone at nVidia was watching this and shaking their head ("we said it's not a gaming card..."). ROFL Okay, more seriously now, very very nice work with everything you've done. :-) Can't wait to see what you guys along with Buildzoid can do with the OC magic (should be lot's of fun). :-) Cheers!
Your camera quality is awesome 😍
Are those Vega 64 CrossFire 3DMark numbers new for this video, or did you previously do a video on Vega CrossFire?
Steve and the rest of the staff. Thank you so very much for purchasing expensive cards to use for content and teaching. I truely appreciate it. :D
I don't always pre-order but when I do, it's a product from GN! Keep up the great work!
What have I learned? Anyone named Steve and has a tech RUclips channel is freaking awesome and gives all he good info
Volta is the true birth of 4k gaming, surely.
I watched the whole ad since you got a hold of one of these bad boys first in my feed
Really great to see how promising things could turn it out to be.
Steve, I went to pre-order that fantastic mat, as it would be excellent addition to my repair shop, but I saw you only take card payments. Do you not take PayPal at all?
Another great video, thanks for presenting things in a way even a simpleton like me can understand!
Gerat informational video. Before pascal we had no perfect graphicscard for 4K/60fps Ultra settings now with vilolta we are going way over 100-120.
WOW, just wow, you really got your hand onto one. that is seriously cool man
Linus Tech Tips already has theirs but no video yet.
He bought it for 3000$
yeah from where? i can not find it from retailers
If only crossfire scaled that well in real games like it does in benchmarks
Nice video. Looking forward to the more lean Geforce variety of Volta. Think my 1080ti is going to be around a long time though. Still have to let them release the other Titan version, then the mid range cards that will sell for $700, then finally a year later the Ti card for $800. Long wait.
Can't wait to see this card liquid cooled :) great video and can't wait for the gaming cards to be released :)
I like to see you guys actual use/test the card for what it was intended for. Not for what you think it preforms for a game.
Well X4 players will be happy with Volta.
Still waiting for Volta.
How many of the Cuda cores are dedicated to double precision? (fp64) Are they part of a dedicated hardware path? As in, if the benchmarks don't require fp64 calculations are those Cuda cores sitting idle while the fp32 do all the work? Or do all the cores function regardless, just that some can do fp64 if required?
This video made me want to subscribe ... only to realize I already had subscribed to your channel and YT just never notifies me about your content. Hmmm...
God, can't wait for the hybrid mod. gonna be wild preformance for some of these
Loving your " Academical experiments" :-P
I'm gonna assume you'll do some production tests next video, here's hoping it's a monster for those tasks.
But Steve is it good enough to finally compete with Intel integrated graphics or is blue still best!
Enermax Threadripper block! Probably covers the whole thing. Only potential issue I can see is the metal frame possibly hitting the cold plate. But appears the vapor chamber clears.
Love this channel, thx for that, cant wait to see whats next.
With the deep learning disabled in gaming so far, what if there is a game that is made to use that feature to learn how you play and arrange the levels and game patterns according to play style?
i know you did your production tests already but if you could run a gfn22 task on primegrid vs a 1080ti to show the double precision benefit?
Quite impressed that you got hold of a Titan V. Did you purchase this yourself?
"You shouldn't be spending 3000 dollars on a graphics card for gaming".
Ooooofff this aged badly
Can i request redshift gpu rendering benchmark using titan v and titan XP. ? Just want to know the difference
Will there be some Async *ON* vs *OFF* comparisons between Titan V and Titan Xp...?
Also, one of the most multi-API games is *Serious Sam Fusion 2017 Beta.* It uses Direct3D11, Direct3D12, OpenGL and Vulkan.
Hey GN! Would it be possible to test TensorFlow / deep learning performance improvement on Volta from Pascal/ Maxwell?
That mat is pretty cool! :)
Want!!
I've been waiting for this!
What about putting an Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV on that card? Is the contact Area to small?
Seeing the crossfire vega 64 at stock besting the titan v results in some games, the blurb from earlier this year, "poor volta", actually starts to make sense (if the Radeon Instinct MI25 release hadn't already hammered it home that Vega is the undistibuted performance per dollar per watt leader for professional applications).
What program did you use to determine the fps in videogames. How did the program affect the fps.
Now this is what I call potential. Not useless Vega features, that *might* work in the future, here we see all the glory of monstorous number of CUDA cores with async.
Will you be able to benchmark this card in a program like solidworks or autocad? I would really like to know how this performs compared to dual RX Vega.
In the future is it possible to run game AI using the tensor cores?
What a beast. Can't wait til Volta gets a mainstream release.
3440x1440 IPS 144Hz + 1180 Ti
2018 upgrade ;)
157 fps on DOOM at 4k? Dayuum
Yeah we can all see that and realize it's because Titan V is not aimed at gamers and drivers are not yet up to date.
well the 0.1%, which is probably just building a shader cache
Now you need a 144 Hz 4K monitor not even out yet :P
This was an amazing video! You got my sub
You said the tensor cores could be removed on the gaming cards to lower cost, and possibly to be replaced by something else. My question to you; will games ever implement machine learning within them, such as a companion/pet or some AI system which learns as you progress thru a campaign. Thus requiring the tensor cores/ other machine learning hardware
Finally the video i've been waiting for!
Hey Steve can you do Titan V 16x pcie vs 8x pcie ?? Wondering if there would be a difference in performance this time around
Steve i'm craving for the follow up video of Titan V, i see my self coming to your channel every 5min :) Don't sleep for the sake of science eh eh
Rip Volta 😢 I wish you made it to consumer cards
Could I get some Blender Cycles testing or Octane? I'm curious if this will help with render times with such a high core count.
Do u think the volta gaming cards will allow 4k 144hz ?
this card kinda promises that