It's good to keep in mind that a total, nearly overnight abandonment of a social media platform has happened before. One example is the mass exodus from Digg to Reddit. And that happened because the Digg fundamentally retooled the experience to give much less power to regular users and more power to ads and super users, which the user base had constantly told Digg they absolutely hated. Also the new design was trying too hard to be like Twitter, ironically. Which was not an experience than what the users wanted on that platform. So as long as Elon does not stray too far from the expected experience too quickly, people probably won't be rushing to threads anytime soon.
Ironically Reddit has pretty much pulled a Digg. The site is so trash now that if you learn to recognize patterns, the bots are blatant, which calls into question how popular it really is and if they're lying about their active user counts.
Threads is dead lmfao mark Zuckerberg even stopped posting on it 😂😂 all the celebrities that left Twitter for it in protest are already back on Twitter because they can't make rage baiting content in an echo chamber site like threads
True! We had a same thing going on in the Netherlands when Facebook came to the forefront (we had a Dutch social media platform called: Hyves) overzicht everyone packed their stuff and moved to Facebook 🤓😅
As much as I don't like Twitter, it baffles me that anyone would, even for a day, jump ship to a similar service run by _Facebook._ Facebook is such a scuzzy company, I just can't fathom why anyone would use any of their services.
I don't trust Facebook. I trust Elon Musk significantly less. Anyone who puts him as "more trustworthy" than Facebook, a company that at least _tries_ sometimes, is an idiot. I'm not saying trust Facebook, read my first sentence. I'm saying he's less trustworthy, and the sooner people realize it, the sooner the world will start to heal from the toxic trash he's been pumping out for years.
Yes. What is wrong with these people?!? We already have an alternative to Twitter (and Facebook) years before Musk's takeover. Minds. When are you guys going to come over there already?
You know, for a service that more or less dominates the internet, it's interesting how social media websites are so few and far between. I could walk to the supermarket and find more brands of pasta in the shelves than there are successful social media websites.
There used to be forums for every subject and group but now we just have the same couple of social medias. Reddit itself is a forum but it's too broad with no real community to hold it together apart from the seperate subreddits so it's barely a forum, not to mention that posting onto reddit doesn't have forum-like posting.
Network effect. The most users a social media site has, the more attractive it is - no-one wants to join a site where they have no friends already on the platform. So any large site grows larger, any small site is doomed to fail even if it is better in other ways. There's only room for a couple of big players within each market area, though which dominates does vary. Russia's social media is dominated by VK. China only has WeChat and Sina, because they blocked access to everything else.
@@anopirsten7565 There still *are* forums for a great many topics. It's just that reddit (and now somewhat discord) deincentivizes people to go searching for them. I'm part of quite a few of them, even for more general discussion beyond a specific focus, and usually find the community far better than reddit. The forum experience is alive and well, and even growing on quite a few of them. Find one you like and hop on it!
It's also just insane to think of how relatively new it is. MySpace is considered the "ganddad" of social media, and people who were born when it was founded are still using fake ideas to go to bars in the US. Facebook has been accused and praised for turning the tide of elections for what feels like forever, and it wouldn't even be old enough to vote, if it were a person
this is why the fediverse (the thing that Mastodon servers are a part of) is such a big deal. only if services are interoperable, there is proper competition between them. you can leave an instance that's shitty (either because of the software or the policies) and join another one without losing all your contacts. it's also complete nonsense that mastodon just popped up when Twitter was faltering and then poofed and went away. it's still there, has been since 2016, and it's a second generation fediverse service. i was around for the first generation (identi.ca) in 2009.
Same. Never had Twitter. Deleted IG. Life is happier. Understanding the psychology of social media helped. Now I need to understand psychology of YT incase I need to curb it too lol
twitter isn't the issue its addiction to social media in general. stay agressively online on discord, reddit, youtube, twitter, whatever, its all the same get outside and enjoy the real world and find a belief system/religion to help you find your place and moderate your beliefs.
I'm a Twitter addict (kind of), and I almost exclusively use it for art. The thing is, when it comes to art, the Twitter algorithm just never seems to miss. If I scroll through Twitter looking for art, chances are I will enjoy every post I see. It will even recommend posts from artists with less than 500 followers and still be able to determine when a post is good. I tried using Threads for a little while and it just... doesn't seem to know what to show me. I tried following all the artists from Instagram and exclusively liking art posts, yet my feed is still filled with celebrities complaining about politics. The art it shows me isn't even really to my taste, just stuff that has broad appeal. 70 million users, hundreds of thousands of artists signing up and posting, and the best it can do is more George Takei. Threads just clearly launched unfinished, and in its current state isn't even close to being a viable Twitter alternative. And really, same for all these other alternatives. They either don't have a good algorithm or just... don't have an algorithm at all, which is a really stupid idea if you're trying to be a content delivery platform.
Every person I talk about Twitter with is always complaining how awful the algorithm is and I'm just like "idk man have you seen these drawings? Crazy"
As someone that uses twitter primarily for looking at art, yeah, that's about it. Though I didn't try threads and never will, even if it kills twitter, there isn't another site as of now that fills the niche twitter does. Specially for NSFW content.
Mastodon is an interesting case because it's not really, that comparable to Twitter in the abstract. It's not even a single social media platform, it's a software that can be used to connect with a lose group of mini Twitter-like social medias, who can also communicate with a bunch of other mini social medias of varying types. I think Mastodon (and other sites like Pixelfed and Peertube) are trying to aim for something greater than replacing a specific social media, they're trying to expand social media in a more user-focused way. Currently, a Mastodon user can leave their current instance and go to a new instance and bring their followers along. Hopefully one day that'll be possible with a Mastodon user moving to Pixelfed. As community run projects though, they are also content to be self-sustaining, which they are. In fact, Mastodon users are actively hostile to Threads and Tumblr (both plan to integrate the ActivityPub protocol) because they don't want those massive influx of users with their influx of unmoderatable problems.
as an owner of a small fediverse instance, i honestly enjoy being on it than i ever enjoyed being on twitter. not sure if its just because of the users, or what kind of posts get shared. i do notice theres a lot less controversy and rageposting though
Yeah, I find it weird that he uses Mastodon as an example of a "dead" platform. Sounds like he looked at it once about a year ago when there was almost no one on, and hasn't looked at it since. Also, no discussion of ActivityPub in this video at all. Really not getting "the big picture" or a good understanding of social media and the future of social media in this video. It's a very shallow analysis, from the perspective of someone with a "following". Clearly he is unaware of ActivityPub, or ignoring it entirely for some unknown reason. One of the big things federated platforms can do is import/export your follows/followers, so especially with Mastodon, the problem of "losing your following" just doesn't really exist. It's only a problem for people who feel like their following on a platform like Twitter has any meaning at all, as if 90% of those follows aren't just bots anyway. 10,000 followers on Twitter, you probably only have a couple hundred real people that follow you at most, even fewer who will actively engage with your posts still. So with 10,000 followers, you might have just 10 regular users that interact with your stuff. I mean, look at youtube videos, only about 1-2% of viewers leave comments or a like/dislike. On Fedi, they don't flood big creators/influencers with fake follows just to make it look like you are growing, you have to actually put in effort to make your posts visible and that starts by finding a good community instance. Signing up on mastodon social is probably not going to be the best way to grow your following on fedi. It's also this idea that, they don't want to even spend any time trying to grow a following on any new platforms. Twitter is already a dead platform. Just because people post doesn't make it any less unviable. Not only is the brand dead, but Elon has not made any progress on improving the financial situation with the platform, in fact, making it worse. I don't doubt the website will still be up in 5+ years, I mean look at MySpace but no one in their right mind is saying that MySpace isn't a dead social media platform... because it is, and it died over 10 years ago.
The advantage is also a disadvantage. There's no manipulative algorithm to push people's emotional buttons and keep them engaged, but that also means it's going to have lower retention. The manipulation works.
tl;dr; ActivityPub/Masotodon are gonna win in the long run. It's just a matter of the general population feeling like going there after being burnt by monopolies for the 50th time.
I thought, "well, buying Twitter on loan for 44 billion is stupid on almost every level, but it's Elon so he must have some plan to fix twitter and get the money back." He had no plan.
I use it mostly for the art community and gaming news. The art communities do very well for the site and it's a great way to communicate and find artists. Totes not leaving, but most def looking to make an account somewhere else, JIC. BTW, all social media, blogging sites, artboards, and forums are all considered terrible. But social media becomes that way if your interests are on discourse like politics, which it does try to steer users towards it. "When do we shoot the _____" was literally one of the first 10 tweets on my feed because I watch the Jimquisition
I'm a researcher and twitter is the only social media I "use" (Mostly lurking, very rarely post myself). I basically tuned the recommender system by aggressively muting anything outaide of the academia bubble. Just people sharing interesting work and sometimes voicing interesting ideas. I didn't feel much from the recent changes, other than some tweeting about mastodon around the time elon took over. Nothing changed in my circle, though
I signed up for twitter several years ago, and within 5 minutes - before I had even made a single tweet - I got a message saying I was banned. I took it as a sign from God and never went back.
I don't want anything to replace Twitter, I don't want Twitter or anything like it to exist ever again, especially when the majority of the userbase are ai chatbot accounts designed to rage farm!
Something most people don't seem to understand is that Mastadon was NEVER intended to replace Twitter. The biggest difference is Mastadon's decentralized. It also doesn't collect and sell personal data, and isn't designed to get you addicted. It makes its money though donations; the creator even turned down a buyout. It is free and open source software and service. The best thing Twitter ever did was introduce some more people to Mastadon (and to open source).
I think the fediverse as a whole could benefit if it embraced this message. Sites like Lemmy or pixefed could do well not to be Reddit or instagram replacements, but their own unique thing that takes inspiration from sites they’re similar too. Firefish and Misskey flavored markup (MFM) based instances (and similar!) as a whole really run with the idea that they’re something unique and from that we get a lot of unique features (cat mode anyone? XD)
The fact that it's open source does not mean it isn't made to be a Twitter competitor. The feature set is so similar. Although I like that it doesn't actively try to addict me, or sell my info, it's still got the really terrible Twitter-esque layout that makes it just horrible to use for anything except surface level political nonsense or just self-promotion. I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that early days desktop Facebook got a lot of things right. When it first started, it was all about your friends and what they were posting. There were no ads in the feed itself, and the focus was on messaging, groups and the feed. Do you remember when people used to actually post what they were thinking, rather than just endless spammy articles or the most basic political shit?
@@alexwr I think a better word would be alternative to Twitter. Your're right it has a feature set is similar feature set, but I think the differences are more important. The core features are similar, but the core ideas/goals couldn't be more different.
honestly part of the reason i went to tumblr a month ago and essentially ghosted my twitter account was because tumblr is the closest thing to what twitter was. And it still has a userbase too. People hear Tumblr and immediately thing 2015 era, where people were before they moved to twitter. But we're almost a decade later and it's become a nicer experience, they put less disagreeable stuff on your feed, generally it's somewhat more palatable.
Yes Tumblr is a whole lot nicer now then it was back than, *but* I've noticed more rude people being angry and complaining and trying to start fights recently, now that a lot of people moved to Tumblr from Twitter. And most of those angry complainers tend to be newer blogs with hardly anything on it. Now of course those people could be long time users who keep getting their accounts deleted, but I doubt all of them are.
Tbh the weird tribalism around "moving" between platforms was always weird to me. I've been using Tumblr for 11 years and had a Twitter since 2007, I've used both on an off all that time. Stopped using Facebook altogether (and deleted) not long after Cambridge Analytica. Now stopped using Twitter. Maybe I'm just getting older but the internet has always been ever changing to me, sticking to one singular social media platform and making it a personality trait is utterly bizarre. I agree on Tumblr though it's the one thing I still use frequently as I've curated who I follow so its mostly just funny shit with some minor political stuff. But if Tumblr died tomorrow I wouldn't really care, there's more to life than social media.
IIRC, first there was a move from DA to tumblr once the site took off. Then everyone left tumblr after the NSFW mass flagging to Twitter. Now it comes full circle where everyone on DA and Twitter are moving to Tumblr.
I am an outlier. I finally left twitter and I don't miss the platform but the friends and users I've met; as you said. Two accounts over 14 years. Gone.
I just wish the Internet was like it was in 2010ish. People had their own websites because they _wanted to have one._ There was a barrier to entry, which led to more interesting stuff and less ragebaiting. You _browsed_ the Internet, you weren't just fed a list of "recommendations" that algorithm predicts will get you to stay on sites so that they can feed you more ads. I really hope that people start moving away from social media in general. The only social media site I use is RUclips, and I'm aggressive about making sure my time on the site is driven by me and not by recommendations it makes. (I have a userscript that makes my home page redirect to my subscriptions, I block the sidebar of recommended videos plus all the recommendations after credits roll, and I have _all_ notifications disabled.) To paraphrase a famous mathematician (best known for his other work), "social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
reddit communities trying to decide whether to turn into a toxic wasteland or die out completely for real though i notice the only subreddits that don't slowly degrade into either being banned, becoming political echo chambers or a million other calamities is gaming/tech subs. having another auxiliary community to back up a sub into relavance and out of stagnation really helps i guess.
I left Twitter for a while because they screwed me over and it's pretty useless. Now I'm on there only to keep up with Beam and post about it occasionally. If it wasn't for that I would leave again because I don't follow anybody because of the thing you said in the video. It's designed to make you angry, most everyone retweets and posts horrendous things "Look what this awful person did shame her! Look at that horrible thing! Isn't that awful?" and I don't really care about my followers at all. Sure it helps if they see what I tweet and I want people to see it but that's it. If anything it makes me kinda feel like they might be watching whatever I like or do on there. It's a dumb website but barely anyone know about beam so. It's a privacy centric crypto. If anything these videos make me mad that I have an account on there
Mastadon and Hive tried to “replace” Twitter last year. Both failed. Maybe Twitter won’t be replaced and that toxic form of communication will just go away.
You don't WIN in Big Tech, you just last long enough for the competition to SCREW UP so hard they implode. The Console Wars, The Streaming Wars, and now Social Media.
8:22 This is literally what I have always said, people on Twitter hate Facebook simply because is the only social media their parents know how to use, and like, why is it so common for people to talk about alt accounts to not to be horny on main but have never thought of making an alternate fb account to not to be shitposter near your family? Like, you don't have to add your family in your account named Megatron Dalolplayer. You can shitpost on fb as long as you don't add the forbidden words, which are whatever the hell Zuck feels like banning that minute.
I left, but only because Twitter was already on its way out with me even before the acquisition. I also wasn't one of the diehard Twitteristas. I personally find Mastodon similar enough that it gives me my Twitter fix without actually being Twitter or having most of its problems. The things I used Twitter for could really be replicated on any platform with a similar format.
@@slob5041 I mean, I have no intention of returning to X in its current form. If Musk sells the company and/or reintroduces content moderation, and the site is demonstrably proven to be less toxic, then maybe.
Feels like the replacement of twitter, generationally, was Instagram. At least for the people I grew up around (mid twenties), and then it was replaced by tik tok
Mostly used twatter to see how certain friends were doing. Most of them either stopped using it or deleted all their entire internet presence on all social media. Never cared for it much and always liked instagram better if I had to choose.(even though the rare occasions I look at insta I realize everything is basically just reports even if I've spent months to a year away. Same memes just trying to throw shade at each other, different things posted just to irritate people and get more comments or whatever. No wonder more and more people are ditching social media. Can just be depressing and get you mad over nothing). Hope more of you find what genuinely makes you happy, and maybe even help anyone else who is down and out.
I'm still *on* Twitter, but I don't engage as much anymore. Many of the people I was there to follow migrated elsewhere, so there just isn't as much for me to engage with. I do stay around, mostly just to watch Troy burn.
I’m a huge sports fan and I would say using Twitter (not calling it X) has helped me connect with other fans in my fanbases and outside them. My experience using the platform has made me appreciate sports more, as teams and leagues are constantly posting highlights soon after they happen. Great memes and comedy can come from these as well. The platform itself has gotten worse but as long as the platform still makes the experience of being a sports fan worthwhile, I’ll keep using it. I’m done making new social medias, so unless a true Twitter killer comes along, I’m sticking with what I have.
I think X is going to have a Tumblr ending - not quite dead yet not really alive and definitely not relevant anymore. it's going to drag for years until it's core followers will move on
In the early days of the Internet, we didn't have platforms like Twitter - we had distributed systems based on open protocols like SMTP, NNTP, and IRC. No one company controlled the service - you accessed the content through an independent provider (usually your ISP) whose servers exchanged messages with all the other independent providers' servers. (The irony is, modern platforms use similar protocols behind the scenes - Netflix installs their own servers inside your ISP, and those servers exchange videos with other Netflix servers.) In an ideal world, Twitter (and RUclips, etc) would be replaced with open protocols. Your ISP (or an independent provider of your choice) would provide servers that exchange messages (or even videos) with other independent providers' servers.
look for what happend to "Orkut", at least in Brazil... it was the main website and almost nobody used Facebook right until Orkut was shutdown by google... Twitter will die and something else will take the scraps...
Its inherently extremally dificult to kill any social media platform. Imo since twitter hasnt died yet, it will stick around. The possibility i find most likely is that it becomes too expensive to keep the website up and it gets closed. I hope that it gets "replaced" by the days of having small forums for specific groups, but i know that another cesspool run by a tech company that everyone will grow to despise will replace it.
Am probably a rare case where I went from being highly addicted to Twitter to deleting it at the height of that addiction. And the truth is that my life quality improved significantly. Missing all the dumpster fire made me less depressed, and my attention span improved so much that I've binged down a dozen books in only a few months thanks to it. None of my pre-existing friendships with the people I followed on twitter suffered either.
Your starting question of if Musk's presence is reprehensible enough to make people leave/refuse to use his platform. For me in a vacuum, yes. But it's incredibly difficult to simply pack up and leave after years of being on a platform + the networking it provides. So just archiving everything and deactivating is still a difficult decision to make. There's also the consideration that ultimately it may end up being a situation much like Tumblr where he will devalue it so hard that he eventually has to sell it on to someone else entirely, which may atleast turn it back around to being bearable to be as a place again.
I’ve literally never made a tweet or followed anyone on twitter, ig, Facebook, Snapchat etc etc I literally use Reddit for forums on games and text messages and RUclips, social media where you can view other people’s lives is such a plague on your mind .
one thing IS for sure, if you are an artist at least, any place that claims to be a twitter killer that is ALSO one of those "by artists for artists" will pretty much fail on arrival. A platform made to address a specific niche of a wide platform misses the point why that niche is so prevalent on that wide platform anyway. For all its problems, twitter's algorithm and social aspects mesh well with the average artist. Every other platform thats specifically for artists is just a big community center filled with artists interacting and posting among one another without any sorta audience. Johnny bunch-o-numbers on twitter isn't gonna sign up for the hip new platform just to support the one artist that decided to migrate there
which is really sad to me because twitter is so garbage for viewing art, all you can do is just scroll through an artists media tab which will be filled with a bunch of other bullshit also a community center for artists doesnt sound bad..
@@user-bkey a community center for artists isn't actually bad but as a means of being a "twitter killer" it sucks dick. A twitter killer needs to function like twitter and do better and yea, for being decent for artists in terms of reach, sociability, and algorithm, its worse for artists in really necessary QoL areas like a functioning gallery and folder options
@@user-bkey i don't know what you are talking about its great for art. sure there are some political stuff on the side but i find the algorithm (even post elon) works well). maybe i just am used to scrolling because i started with deviantart (which requires far more scrolling and looking through weird stuff than twitter) so my norm for dealing with random junk is higher.
yep, the only other alternative is deviantart, which has a penchant for showing weird fetish stuff even on SFW account settings, DA is sorta weird like that. twitter will survive in some capacity as long as it doesn't actively discourage artists (both normal and NSFW types) from staying.
Twitter just needed a few minor tweaks here and there and it would've been golden. but nooooo, a billionaire decides to swoop in and do more harm than good
Dont think Twitter cant be replaced as geared to dumbest takes or bait to spark fights. Good thing it has going is trending similar to RUclips & as well keeping up with news before any where else.
now I wonder if someone made a bridge platform that allows someone to interface with twitter but also allows you to post on other platforms if something like that could infect twitter and slowly kill it
Mastadon is under rated. Its not poof dead, there are many communities that use it regularly. Because its got that dedicated userbase, and federated architecture, itll be around for the long run. If threads doent get the users meta will kill it. Everytime twitter has an "incident" mastadon usage spikes, and then it settles down again, but at a higher level. Communities attempt to transition, most will fail because moveing is hard, but some sucseed. I think mastadon will persist, im not sure about twitter
I know what could replace twitter, another Chicago city. They are basically the same thing. No one wants to go near there but everyone is always talking about it.
You could easily make these ideas work for RUclips, we're constantly complaining about the hot new RUclips problem, but there doesn't seem to be any way for an alternative to compete. Nebula seems like a lovely place, or atleast thats what I've heard. lol
Personally I'm sticking around for the foreseeable future... The only ways I'd end up leaving are if he started charging for the basics, it shut down, or he did something completely insane and/or evil to a degree I can't really imagine right now. I have a lot of friends on there, and while I've added many on Mastodon and Discord... Twitter is still where everyone is active
Oh, we will definitely gonna leave. All my mutuals, my cercle of friend have started to go on other platform and we already noticed a clear decline in interaction. I'll take years, but twitter will definitely be the new myspace.
Idk, my corner of twitter has been moving to bluesky and we are having a great experience there. It is still lacks content when compared to twitter, but so much less frustrating with no adds, no stupid comments boosted to the top by paying, etc
Maybe I'm alone on this, however I never understood the point of twitter to begin with. To jot down and broadcast little thoughts and comments through out my day? Why not post on Facebook or Instagram? It might make sense for certain politicians however I think everyone else who has an account does it just because it's there. Someone is going to say "Oh you're not on twitter? Why not?"
I think people shifted from Facebook because everyone's moms and dads where on there. And it made it feel like less of the "cool place" to hangout. My theory
@@TimTheHuman-br1nl There are all kinds of online platforms: TikTok, Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. I've never met anyone with a twitter feed and the only people I have heard of who use twitter are Donald Trump and Anthony Weiner and they have now left as well.
I personally moved over to Discord. It's just a couple of servers filled with different friend circles. It's actually social since we coordinate hiking trips and the like over there, among other things. Sometimes we play Jackbox or some other coop games. Never really used a public server before since there was no need for it, but if I ever wabt to hop into a community centered around a shared interest, I know they are there. Haven't visited a social media site in years, and I feel great!
I'm on Mastodon and I'll stand up for a platform that's been a little misunderstood, I feel, as something expected by some to be the next big thing people will flock to. If you're curious and you need another platform, federated, non-corporate and without algorithms, and that sounds good to you, I find it awesome, give it a try, but maybe the flaw here is in the media's "next big thing" sensationalism, rather than the realist, "the people who are on it, like it"
lacking algorithms can be bad if you have too much content however. can mastodon really survive if it gets big and has far too much content to sift through for the casual viewer? making things inconvenient for people who just want something interesting and engaging to scroll through is unlikely to work. thats the one good thing about twitter is that its algorithm is honestly pretty good, especially for art.
My wild crazy gamble will be this. Instead of seeing the continued growth of monolitch-social-platfroms where people go to discuss and do 'everything' we will go back to micro-social-platforms where each platform serves specific topics and purposes. This will allow each platform more freedom to cater to their groups needs without having to worry about whatever the corporation that controls the platform messing things up x,y or z reason (really because they are trying to please everyone, shareholders, governments, their clients; and all their clients sub-groups, themselves and they end up pleasing nobody ). TBH we aren't that far off with currently every major platform hemorrhaging personal relations with their clients, three of which are really just one company.
They were called forums and they were great. Then everyone went to Reddit for that, people want convenience and now only go to like 5 or 6 websites when 20 years ago they used to go to more of them. That won't change even though it should.
I feel what is a huge issue that seemingly isnt being address is doesnt twitter have an insane amount of debt on the books since elon bought twitter with loans from the bank with interest rates that shake out to 1 billion dollar yearly payment? I dont see how twitter lasts even two more years with that amount of debt it needs to pay
It's interesting to compare the effects of Twitters changes to those of Tumblr and how the reaction of the target audience who built a community there led to Tumblr niche downfall, and even though it's nowhere near as comparable, there are a lot of lessons Twitter should have taken from that, at least have a set goal of who they want the target audience to be and not affect the different communities who keep the platform active. It's fun to have a vision of a universal app but realistically nothing will be universal and appeal to everyone's habits and interests. At least porn is still on Twitter hahahaha
I love how Elon Musk admitted he spent double the actual worth of Twitter. It's a different kind of rich to be able to just throw away 22 billion casually
completely missed a big point where there actually numerous interoperable twitter-like social media servers out there ran for people with common interests wanting to communicate, not for profit. they're not mainstream / packed full of zoomers, but they're definitely 'alive'. they usually use mastodon. imo, people have to re-learn the reason why there's no such thing as the 'email company', and yet email is still used by millions without needing advertising. either way I'm having a nice time on the 'fediverse'
I left Twitter (and deleted my account) when Musk bought it and… Mastodon isn’t dead (for certain groups). Mastodon is still very much alive for tech people and, to some extent, games developers.
The people still clinging to The Site Formerly Known As Twitter (TSFKAT) are those who are hoping that TSFKAT's last gasp will last just a little bit longer... and these are combined with those angry "right leaning" people who felt slighted by then Twitter's former management team and have come back to TSFKAT to take retribution on those who are hanging on during TSFKAT's last gasp. There is absolutely no way a site that could barely net maybe a couple billion a year can pay down a $44 billion debt in any timely fashion... or more importantly, at all. This is particularly true since TSFKAT has lost most of its advertisers, drastically reducing its overall revenues. It's just a matter of time before Musk is forced to declare bankruptcy for TSFKAT. In fact, I'm surprised Musk hasn't yet tried to reorganize TSFKAT out of this debt through the bankruptcy court.
We may not be able to think of how Twitter will be replaced... But at one time, people thought Sears would be replaced by Amazon or traditional mail would be replaced by email either.
FR. Think of how much drama, controversy and general antisocial madness originated on and was facilitated by Twitter users. At the end of the day sadly I think Twitter probably has done MUCH more harm than good, lol.
Would it even matter? Most of the population never was involved in Twitter in the first place, the majority of content and use was done by a small minority of users. So it's impact was widely exaggerated. Then there's the fact that the core idea of politicians and celebrities being a "Twitt" away of themselves and their fans seems like a worse and worse idea as time passes, not to mention that it seems increasingly anachronistic, like an artifact of the 2010s. So if Twitter dies good riddance! It at least cost Musk a boatload of money, and few people is as deserving of economic pain than him.
I think that threads should keep working at it. Musk is in SERIOUS trouble in the EU. It is entirely possible that Twitter is going to get banned in the EU. Threads is also a lot more advertiser friendly by basically not putting up with hate speech. There is only so much money that Twitter can keep bleeding. I don't think that threads has to be better I think it just has to survive.
@@a.bastianwiik5592 Threads has not launched in the EU yet but they have stated an intention to launch in the EU and have said they are working to comply with all the existing laws for that. At least their dealing with hate speech seems to be adequate to keep them in compliance.
@@user-bkey Threads has not launched yet and they have said they intend to launch in the EU and be compatible with the existing laws. I thought that facebook was now in compliance with GDPR with the new data sharing agreement between the US and EU finally approved. Did I miss something on that?
I would prefer if we went back to the pre-twitter days when people were a little less emotional, reactionary and stupid. Or at least when those were seen as negative traits.
When was that? In the 90's when Dungeons and Dragons was banned for being a satanic ritual? When Twisted Sister had to go before a congressional hearing and argue with Tipper Gore about the merits of rude lyrics in music? When Family Guy was cancelled for being too edgy for television? When owning a copy of the Satanic Verses could get you arrested? Nah, my guy... people have never been less emotiona, reactionary or stupid. It's just now they can leave a record for us all to read.
A social network that kicks out bullies who harass people for the dumbest of reasons (like playing Hogwarts Legacy) would be a welcome replacement for me.
here's my second channel I livestream there and sometimes make videos;
www.youtube.com/@Whimsu
What a waste of $44billion
Could have down an almost endless list of positive things with that
Hasn’t Threads already replaced it?
Whimsu my beloved
havent finished the video, but please have a mastodon mention. lets see
Thank you for this interesting discussion video!
can you imagine if he took that $44B and built a jurassic park instead - we could all be eating brontosaurus burgers and riding a triceratops to work
No I can't imagine that
I'd like to think🎉
@shigermuleye5203 dinosaurs are even easier to control than hogs so itd be fine
Unlikely as it would be difficult to recreate dinosaurs, especially something as large as a sauropodomorph 🤓
Spending $44m on that would've produced the same result... Jack sh*t lol
It's good to keep in mind that a total, nearly overnight abandonment of a social media platform has happened before. One example is the mass exodus from Digg to Reddit.
And that happened because the Digg fundamentally retooled the experience to give much less power to regular users and more power to ads and super users, which the user base had constantly told Digg they absolutely hated.
Also the new design was trying too hard to be like Twitter, ironically. Which was not an experience than what the users wanted on that platform.
So as long as Elon does not stray too far from the expected experience too quickly, people probably won't be rushing to threads anytime soon.
Ironically Reddit has pretty much pulled a Digg. The site is so trash now that if you learn to recognize patterns, the bots are blatant, which calls into question how popular it really is and if they're lying about their active user counts.
Threads is dead lmfao mark Zuckerberg even stopped posting on it 😂😂 all the celebrities that left Twitter for it in protest are already back on Twitter because they can't make rage baiting content in an echo chamber site like threads
dont forget myspace
True! We had a same thing going on in the Netherlands when Facebook came to the forefront (we had a Dutch social media platform called: Hyves) overzicht everyone packed their stuff and moved to Facebook 🤓😅
This has less to do with tech and more to do with Elon's political leaning. The Left goes berserk as soon as it loses control.
As much as I don't like Twitter, it baffles me that anyone would, even for a day, jump ship to a similar service run by _Facebook._ Facebook is such a scuzzy company, I just can't fathom why anyone would use any of their services.
I was wondering the same thing! It doesn’t seem like much of an improvement?
Yeah but they're all just as awful.
@@TheRealHaloLover Yes and we have a choice not to just choose the lesser evil and actually invest in a good choice.
I don't trust Facebook. I trust Elon Musk significantly less. Anyone who puts him as "more trustworthy" than Facebook, a company that at least _tries_ sometimes, is an idiot. I'm not saying trust Facebook, read my first sentence. I'm saying he's less trustworthy, and the sooner people realize it, the sooner the world will start to heal from the toxic trash he's been pumping out for years.
Yes. What is wrong with these people?!?
We already have an alternative to Twitter (and Facebook) years before Musk's takeover.
Minds.
When are you guys going to come over there already?
You know, for a service that more or less dominates the internet, it's interesting how social media websites are so few and far between. I could walk to the supermarket and find more brands of pasta in the shelves than there are successful social media websites.
There used to be forums for every subject and group but now we just have the same couple of social medias. Reddit itself is a forum but it's too broad with no real community to hold it together apart from the seperate subreddits so it's barely a forum, not to mention that posting onto reddit doesn't have forum-like posting.
Network effect. The most users a social media site has, the more attractive it is - no-one wants to join a site where they have no friends already on the platform. So any large site grows larger, any small site is doomed to fail even if it is better in other ways. There's only room for a couple of big players within each market area, though which dominates does vary. Russia's social media is dominated by VK. China only has WeChat and Sina, because they blocked access to everything else.
@@anopirsten7565 There still *are* forums for a great many topics. It's just that reddit (and now somewhat discord) deincentivizes people to go searching for them. I'm part of quite a few of them, even for more general discussion beyond a specific focus, and usually find the community far better than reddit.
The forum experience is alive and well, and even growing on quite a few of them. Find one you like and hop on it!
It's also just insane to think of how relatively new it is. MySpace is considered the "ganddad" of social media, and people who were born when it was founded are still using fake ideas to go to bars in the US.
Facebook has been accused and praised for turning the tide of elections for what feels like forever, and it wouldn't even be old enough to vote, if it were a person
this is why the fediverse (the thing that Mastodon servers are a part of) is such a big deal. only if services are interoperable, there is proper competition between them. you can leave an instance that's shitty (either because of the software or the policies) and join another one without losing all your contacts.
it's also complete nonsense that mastodon just popped up when Twitter was faltering and then poofed and went away. it's still there, has been since 2016, and it's a second generation fediverse service. i was around for the first generation (identi.ca) in 2009.
Deleted Twitter in 2020. My mental health improved dramatically week of. Seeing whats been happening has been too funny for words
Same. Never had Twitter. Deleted IG. Life is happier. Understanding the psychology of social media helped. Now I need to understand psychology of YT incase I need to curb it too lol
twitter isn't the issue its addiction to social media in general. stay agressively online on discord, reddit, youtube, twitter, whatever, its all the same
get outside and enjoy the real world and find a belief system/religion to help you find your place and moderate your beliefs.
I'm a Twitter addict (kind of), and I almost exclusively use it for art.
The thing is, when it comes to art, the Twitter algorithm just never seems to miss. If I scroll through Twitter looking for art, chances are I will enjoy every post I see. It will even recommend posts from artists with less than 500 followers and still be able to determine when a post is good.
I tried using Threads for a little while and it just... doesn't seem to know what to show me. I tried following all the artists from Instagram and exclusively liking art posts, yet my feed is still filled with celebrities complaining about politics. The art it shows me isn't even really to my taste, just stuff that has broad appeal. 70 million users, hundreds of thousands of artists signing up and posting, and the best it can do is more George Takei.
Threads just clearly launched unfinished, and in its current state isn't even close to being a viable Twitter alternative. And really, same for all these other alternatives. They either don't have a good algorithm or just... don't have an algorithm at all, which is a really stupid idea if you're trying to be a content delivery platform.
"I'm a Twitter addict"
You okay my guy?
@@CountGremlinI wouldn't trust a thing he says
@@internet_userr Nah, whatever they say is honestly true, at least for art...
Every person I talk about Twitter with is always complaining how awful the algorithm is and I'm just like "idk man have you seen these drawings? Crazy"
As someone that uses twitter primarily for looking at art, yeah, that's about it. Though I didn't try threads and never will, even if it kills twitter, there isn't another site as of now that fills the niche twitter does. Specially for NSFW content.
Mastodon is an interesting case because it's not really, that comparable to Twitter in the abstract. It's not even a single social media platform, it's a software that can be used to connect with a lose group of mini Twitter-like social medias, who can also communicate with a bunch of other mini social medias of varying types.
I think Mastodon (and other sites like Pixelfed and Peertube) are trying to aim for something greater than replacing a specific social media, they're trying to expand social media in a more user-focused way. Currently, a Mastodon user can leave their current instance and go to a new instance and bring their followers along. Hopefully one day that'll be possible with a Mastodon user moving to Pixelfed.
As community run projects though, they are also content to be self-sustaining, which they are. In fact, Mastodon users are actively hostile to Threads and Tumblr (both plan to integrate the ActivityPub protocol) because they don't want those massive influx of users with their influx of unmoderatable problems.
as an owner of a small fediverse instance, i honestly enjoy being on it than i ever enjoyed being on twitter. not sure if its just because of the users, or what kind of posts get shared. i do notice theres a lot less controversy and rageposting though
Yeah, I find it weird that he uses Mastodon as an example of a "dead" platform. Sounds like he looked at it once about a year ago when there was almost no one on, and hasn't looked at it since. Also, no discussion of ActivityPub in this video at all. Really not getting "the big picture" or a good understanding of social media and the future of social media in this video. It's a very shallow analysis, from the perspective of someone with a "following". Clearly he is unaware of ActivityPub, or ignoring it entirely for some unknown reason. One of the big things federated platforms can do is import/export your follows/followers, so especially with Mastodon, the problem of "losing your following" just doesn't really exist. It's only a problem for people who feel like their following on a platform like Twitter has any meaning at all, as if 90% of those follows aren't just bots anyway. 10,000 followers on Twitter, you probably only have a couple hundred real people that follow you at most, even fewer who will actively engage with your posts still. So with 10,000 followers, you might have just 10 regular users that interact with your stuff. I mean, look at youtube videos, only about 1-2% of viewers leave comments or a like/dislike. On Fedi, they don't flood big creators/influencers with fake follows just to make it look like you are growing, you have to actually put in effort to make your posts visible and that starts by finding a good community instance. Signing up on mastodon social is probably not going to be the best way to grow your following on fedi. It's also this idea that, they don't want to even spend any time trying to grow a following on any new platforms.
Twitter is already a dead platform. Just because people post doesn't make it any less unviable. Not only is the brand dead, but Elon has not made any progress on improving the financial situation with the platform, in fact, making it worse. I don't doubt the website will still be up in 5+ years, I mean look at MySpace but no one in their right mind is saying that MySpace isn't a dead social media platform... because it is, and it died over 10 years ago.
The advantage is also a disadvantage. There's no manipulative algorithm to push people's emotional buttons and keep them engaged, but that also means it's going to have lower retention. The manipulation works.
I'm not reading that
tl;dr; ActivityPub/Masotodon are gonna win in the long run.
It's just a matter of the general population feeling like going there after being burnt by monopolies for the 50th time.
I thought, "well, buying Twitter on loan for 44 billion is stupid on almost every level, but it's Elon so he must have some plan to fix twitter and get the money back."
He had no plan.
I use it mostly for the art community and gaming news. The art communities do very well for the site and it's a great way to communicate and find artists. Totes not leaving, but most def looking to make an account somewhere else, JIC.
BTW, all social media, blogging sites, artboards, and forums are all considered terrible. But social media becomes that way if your interests are on discourse like politics, which it does try to steer users towards it. "When do we shoot the _____" was literally one of the first 10 tweets on my feed because I watch the Jimquisition
I'm a researcher and twitter is the only social media I "use" (Mostly lurking, very rarely post myself). I basically tuned the recommender system by aggressively muting anything outaide of the academia bubble. Just people sharing interesting work and sometimes voicing interesting ideas. I didn't feel much from the recent changes, other than some tweeting about mastodon around the time elon took over. Nothing changed in my circle, though
I signed up for twitter several years ago, and within 5 minutes - before I had even made a single tweet - I got a message saying I was banned. I took it as a sign from God and never went back.
@@mallninja9805That's a real comedy right there
Did they give you a reason for banning you? Seems very odd they would do that if you haven't even tweeted.@@mallninja9805
It does very well seem like the people who've had the worst experience with twitter didn't really know how to actually use it
I don't want anything to replace Twitter, I don't want Twitter or anything like it to exist ever again, especially when the majority of the userbase are ai chatbot accounts designed to rage farm!
Something most people don't seem to understand is that Mastadon was NEVER intended to replace Twitter. The biggest difference is Mastadon's decentralized. It also doesn't collect and sell personal data, and isn't designed to get you addicted. It makes its money though donations; the creator even turned down a buyout.
It is free and open source software and service. The best thing Twitter ever did was introduce some more people to Mastadon (and to open source).
I think the fediverse as a whole could benefit if it embraced this message. Sites like Lemmy or pixefed could do well not to be Reddit or instagram replacements, but their own unique thing that takes inspiration from sites they’re similar too. Firefish and Misskey flavored markup (MFM) based instances (and similar!) as a whole really run with the idea that they’re something unique and from that we get a lot of unique features (cat mode anyone? XD)
The fact that it's open source does not mean it isn't made to be a Twitter competitor. The feature set is so similar.
Although I like that it doesn't actively try to addict me, or sell my info, it's still got the really terrible Twitter-esque layout that makes it just horrible to use for anything except surface level political nonsense or just self-promotion.
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that early days desktop Facebook got a lot of things right. When it first started, it was all about your friends and what they were posting. There were no ads in the feed itself, and the focus was on messaging, groups and the feed. Do you remember when people used to actually post what they were thinking, rather than just endless spammy articles or the most basic political shit?
@@alexwr I think a better word would be alternative to Twitter. Your're right it has a feature set is similar feature set, but I think the differences are more important. The core features are similar, but the core ideas/goals couldn't be more different.
honestly part of the reason i went to tumblr a month ago and essentially ghosted my twitter account was because tumblr is the closest thing to what twitter was. And it still has a userbase too. People hear Tumblr and immediately thing 2015 era, where people were before they moved to twitter. But we're almost a decade later and it's become a nicer experience, they put less disagreeable stuff on your feed, generally it's somewhat more palatable.
Yes Tumblr is a whole lot nicer now then it was back than, *but* I've noticed more rude people being angry and complaining and trying to start fights recently, now that a lot of people moved to Tumblr from Twitter.
And most of those angry complainers tend to be newer blogs with hardly anything on it.
Now of course those people could be long time users who keep getting their accounts deleted, but I doubt all of them are.
Tbh the weird tribalism around "moving" between platforms was always weird to me. I've been using Tumblr for 11 years and had a Twitter since 2007, I've used both on an off all that time. Stopped using Facebook altogether (and deleted) not long after Cambridge Analytica. Now stopped using Twitter.
Maybe I'm just getting older but the internet has always been ever changing to me, sticking to one singular social media platform and making it a personality trait is utterly bizarre.
I agree on Tumblr though it's the one thing I still use frequently as I've curated who I follow so its mostly just funny shit with some minor political stuff. But if Tumblr died tomorrow I wouldn't really care, there's more to life than social media.
IIRC, first there was a move from DA to tumblr once the site took off. Then everyone left tumblr after the NSFW mass flagging to Twitter. Now it comes full circle where everyone on DA and Twitter are moving to Tumblr.
I am an outlier. I finally left twitter and I don't miss the platform but the friends and users I've met; as you said. Two accounts over 14 years. Gone.
I just wish the Internet was like it was in 2010ish. People had their own websites because they _wanted to have one._ There was a barrier to entry, which led to more interesting stuff and less ragebaiting. You _browsed_ the Internet, you weren't just fed a list of "recommendations" that algorithm predicts will get you to stay on sites so that they can feed you more ads.
I really hope that people start moving away from social media in general. The only social media site I use is RUclips, and I'm aggressive about making sure my time on the site is driven by me and not by recommendations it makes. (I have a userscript that makes my home page redirect to my subscriptions, I block the sidebar of recommended videos plus all the recommendations after credits roll, and I have _all_ notifications disabled.)
To paraphrase a famous mathematician (best known for his other work), "social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
reddit was the real surprise to me, all the communities I used to frequent are pretty much dead.
reddit communities trying to decide whether to turn into a toxic wasteland or die out completely
for real though i notice the only subreddits that don't slowly degrade into either being banned, becoming political echo chambers or a million other calamities is gaming/tech subs. having another auxiliary community to back up a sub into relavance and out of stagnation really helps i guess.
I left Twitter for a while because they screwed me over and it's pretty useless. Now I'm on there only to keep up with Beam and post about it occasionally. If it wasn't for that I would leave again because I don't follow anybody because of the thing you said in the video. It's designed to make you angry, most everyone retweets and posts horrendous things "Look what this awful person did shame her! Look at that horrible thing! Isn't that awful?" and I don't really care about my followers at all. Sure it helps if they see what I tweet and I want people to see it but that's it. If anything it makes me kinda feel like they might be watching whatever I like or do on there. It's a dumb website but barely anyone know about beam so. It's a privacy centric crypto. If anything these videos make me mad that I have an account on there
Mastadon and Hive tried to “replace” Twitter last year. Both failed. Maybe Twitter won’t be replaced and that toxic form of communication will just go away.
That would be the best possible outcome.
Enjoy anything while it lasts, our time is always such a fleeting thing.
You don't WIN in Big Tech, you just last long enough for the competition to SCREW UP so hard they implode. The Console Wars, The Streaming Wars, and now Social Media.
8:22 This is literally what I have always said, people on Twitter hate Facebook simply because is the only social media their parents know how to use, and like, why is it so common for people to talk about alt accounts to not to be horny on main but have never thought of making an alternate fb account to not to be shitposter near your family? Like, you don't have to add your family in your account named Megatron Dalolplayer.
You can shitpost on fb as long as you don't add the forbidden words, which are whatever the hell Zuck feels like banning that minute.
I left, but only because Twitter was already on its way out with me even before the acquisition. I also wasn't one of the diehard Twitteristas. I personally find Mastodon similar enough that it gives me my Twitter fix without actually being Twitter or having most of its problems. The things I used Twitter for could really be replicated on any platform with a similar format.
I left Twitter way before like you did, but if x works it might be an interesting time to come back.
@@slob5041 I mean, I have no intention of returning to X in its current form. If Musk sells the company and/or reintroduces content moderation, and the site is demonstrably proven to be less toxic, then maybe.
I think the biggest weakness of threads is that , there is no web version (as far as I know), I can only access it via my phone/device
Feels like the replacement of twitter, generationally, was Instagram. At least for the people I grew up around (mid twenties), and then it was replaced by tik tok
Mostly used twatter to see how certain friends were doing. Most of them either stopped using it or deleted all their entire internet presence on all social media. Never cared for it much and always liked instagram better if I had to choose.(even though the rare occasions I look at insta I realize everything is basically just reports even if I've spent months to a year away. Same memes just trying to throw shade at each other, different things posted just to irritate people and get more comments or whatever. No wonder more and more people are ditching social media. Can just be depressing and get you mad over nothing). Hope more of you find what genuinely makes you happy, and maybe even help anyone else who is down and out.
I'm still *on* Twitter, but I don't engage as much anymore. Many of the people I was there to follow migrated elsewhere, so there just isn't as much for me to engage with. I do stay around, mostly just to watch Troy burn.
Yeah, the only way Twitter would die is from a Tumblr-style exodus.
I’m a huge sports fan and I would say using Twitter (not calling it X) has helped me connect with other fans in my fanbases and outside them. My experience using the platform has made me appreciate sports more, as teams and leagues are constantly posting highlights soon after they happen. Great memes and comedy can come from these as well. The platform itself has gotten worse but as long as the platform still makes the experience of being a sports fan worthwhile, I’ll keep using it. I’m done making new social medias, so unless a true Twitter killer comes along, I’m sticking with what I have.
I hope you enjoy your life cultist
No one has even mentioned the fact that if Twitters name changes to X, people typing X into search engines is going to bring up lots of porn...
I think X is going to have a Tumblr ending - not quite dead yet not really alive and definitely not relevant anymore.
it's going to drag for years until it's core followers will move on
In the early days of the Internet, we didn't have platforms like Twitter - we had distributed systems based on open protocols like SMTP, NNTP, and IRC. No one company controlled the service - you accessed the content through an independent provider (usually your ISP) whose servers exchanged messages with all the other independent providers' servers. (The irony is, modern platforms use similar protocols behind the scenes - Netflix installs their own servers inside your ISP, and those servers exchange videos with other Netflix servers.)
In an ideal world, Twitter (and RUclips, etc) would be replaced with open protocols. Your ISP (or an independent provider of your choice) would provide servers that exchange messages (or even videos) with other independent providers' servers.
look for what happend to "Orkut", at least in Brazil... it was the main website and almost nobody used Facebook right until Orkut was shutdown by google...
Twitter will die and something else will take the scraps...
Interesting theory that these social media platforms just end up targeted to certain demographics
Its inherently extremally dificult to kill any social media platform. Imo since twitter hasnt died yet, it will stick around.
The possibility i find most likely is that it becomes too expensive to keep the website up and it gets closed.
I hope that it gets "replaced" by the days of having small forums for specific groups, but i know that another cesspool run by a tech company that everyone will grow to despise will replace it.
Am probably a rare case where I went from being highly addicted to Twitter to deleting it at the height of that addiction. And the truth is that my life quality improved significantly. Missing all the dumpster fire made me less depressed, and my attention span improved so much that I've binged down a dozen books in only a few months thanks to it. None of my pre-existing friendships with the people I followed on twitter suffered either.
Love the vague psychedelic energy on the editing v nice
Your starting question of if Musk's presence is reprehensible enough to make people leave/refuse to use his platform. For me in a vacuum, yes. But it's incredibly difficult to simply pack up and leave after years of being on a platform + the networking it provides. So just archiving everything and deactivating is still a difficult decision to make. There's also the consideration that ultimately it may end up being a situation much like Tumblr where he will devalue it so hard that he eventually has to sell it on to someone else entirely, which may atleast turn it back around to being bearable to be as a place again.
let's be real. the only time it was bearable was in its earlier days before self-righteous headhunts and grifter crusades
twitter in 2012: i pooped lolz
twitter in 2022: trump
twitter in 2032: whats that
I’ve literally never made a tweet or followed anyone on twitter, ig, Facebook, Snapchat etc etc I literally use Reddit for forums on games and text messages and RUclips, social media where you can view other people’s lives is such a plague on your mind .
one thing IS for sure, if you are an artist at least, any place that claims to be a twitter killer that is ALSO one of those "by artists for artists" will pretty much fail on arrival. A platform made to address a specific niche of a wide platform misses the point why that niche is so prevalent on that wide platform anyway. For all its problems, twitter's algorithm and social aspects mesh well with the average artist. Every other platform thats specifically for artists is just a big community center filled with artists interacting and posting among one another without any sorta audience. Johnny bunch-o-numbers on twitter isn't gonna sign up for the hip new platform just to support the one artist that decided to migrate there
which is really sad to me because twitter is so garbage for viewing art, all you can do is just scroll through an artists media tab which will be filled with a bunch of other bullshit
also a community center for artists doesnt sound bad..
@@user-bkey a community center for artists isn't actually bad but as a means of being a "twitter killer" it sucks dick. A twitter killer needs to function like twitter and do better
and yea, for being decent for artists in terms of reach, sociability, and algorithm, its worse for artists in really necessary QoL areas like a functioning gallery and folder options
@@user-bkey i don't know what you are talking about its great for art. sure there are some political stuff on the side but i find the algorithm (even post elon) works well).
maybe i just am used to scrolling because i started with deviantart (which requires far more scrolling and looking through weird stuff than twitter) so my norm for dealing with random junk is higher.
yep, the only other alternative is deviantart, which has a penchant for showing weird fetish stuff even on SFW account settings, DA is sorta weird like that. twitter will survive in some capacity as long as it doesn't actively discourage artists (both normal and NSFW types) from staying.
Twitter just needed a few minor tweaks here and there and it would've been golden.
but nooooo, a billionaire decides to swoop in and do more harm than good
Dont think Twitter cant be replaced as geared to dumbest takes or bait to spark fights. Good thing it has going is trending similar to RUclips & as well keeping up with news before any where else.
No
That half second snapshot of Squidward blowing souffle bubbles to describe twitter... i have no words besides perfect
I moved to mastodon in November and I really like it. It doesn’t have the inane drama that twitter had which I used to endure.
"And Now we wait for Oblivion."
1:25 Masto is so far from dead, oh my dog. It's fairly small, but seriously nowhere near dead.
Imagine calling magic mushroom and LSD use "addictions"
Myspace was big once. And then Facebook happened!
Using a backup mic?
I always get knowledge from this channel
People simply don’t like change. I thought I’d see a comment acknowledging the dumpster fire twitter was before the rebrand.
now I wonder if someone made a bridge platform that
allows someone to interface with twitter but also allows you to post on other platforms
if something like that could infect twitter and slowly kill it
Mastadon is under rated.
Its not poof dead, there are many communities that use it regularly.
Because its got that dedicated userbase, and federated architecture, itll be around for the long run.
If threads doent get the users meta will kill it.
Everytime twitter has an "incident" mastadon usage spikes, and then it settles down again, but at a higher level.
Communities attempt to transition, most will fail because moveing is hard, but some sucseed.
I think mastadon will persist, im not sure about twitter
Whoever invented the concept of 'micro-dosing' is the most epic troll ever.
I know what could replace twitter, another Chicago city. They are basically the same thing. No one wants to go near there but everyone is always talking about it.
This video actually made me reconsider the value X actually gave me, and i decided to go back to Instagram lol
You could easily make these ideas work for RUclips, we're constantly complaining about the hot new RUclips problem, but there doesn't seem to be any way for an alternative to compete. Nebula seems like a lovely place, or atleast thats what I've heard. lol
Personally I'm sticking around for the foreseeable future... The only ways I'd end up leaving are if he started charging for the basics, it shut down, or he did something completely insane and/or evil to a degree I can't really imagine right now. I have a lot of friends on there, and while I've added many on Mastodon and Discord... Twitter is still where everyone is active
Oh, we will definitely gonna leave. All my mutuals, my cercle of friend have started to go on other platform and we already noticed a clear decline in interaction.
I'll take years, but twitter will definitely be the new myspace.
Idk, my corner of twitter has been moving to bluesky and we are having a great experience there. It is still lacks content when compared to twitter, but so much less frustrating with no adds, no stupid comments boosted to the top by paying, etc
Maybe I'm alone on this, however I never understood the point of twitter to begin with. To jot down and broadcast little thoughts and comments through out my day? Why not post on Facebook or Instagram? It might make sense for certain politicians however I think everyone else who has an account does it just because it's there. Someone is going to say "Oh you're not on twitter? Why not?"
I think people shifted from Facebook because everyone's moms and dads where on there. And it made it feel like less of the "cool place" to hangout.
My theory
@@TimTheHuman-br1nl There are all kinds of online platforms: TikTok, Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. I've never met anyone with a twitter feed and the only people I have heard of who use twitter are Donald Trump and Anthony Weiner and they have now left as well.
I can never get into twitter. I kinda want it to die so I don’t have to go back and forth thinking I need to promote myself there
I personally moved over to Discord. It's just a couple of servers filled with different friend circles. It's actually social since we coordinate hiking trips and the like over there, among other things. Sometimes we play Jackbox or some other coop games. Never really used a public server before since there was no need for it, but if I ever wabt to hop into a community centered around a shared interest, I know they are there. Haven't visited a social media site in years, and I feel great!
I'm on Mastodon and I'll stand up for a platform that's been a little misunderstood, I feel, as something expected by some to be the next big thing people will flock to. If you're curious and you need another platform, federated, non-corporate and without algorithms, and that sounds good to you, I find it awesome, give it a try, but maybe the flaw here is in the media's "next big thing" sensationalism, rather than the realist, "the people who are on it, like it"
lacking algorithms can be bad if you have too much content however. can mastodon really survive if it gets big and has far too much content to sift through for the casual viewer? making things inconvenient for people who just want something interesting and engaging to scroll through is unlikely to work. thats the one good thing about twitter is that its algorithm is honestly pretty good, especially for art.
BLUMPO RETURNS!
Next, Scoop-Dee-Doo will make an exciting comeback.
My wild crazy gamble will be this. Instead of seeing the continued growth of monolitch-social-platfroms where people go to discuss and do 'everything' we will go back to micro-social-platforms where each platform serves specific topics and purposes. This will allow each platform more freedom to cater to their groups needs without having to worry about whatever the corporation that controls the platform messing things up x,y or z reason (really because they are trying to please everyone, shareholders, governments, their clients; and all their clients sub-groups, themselves and they end up pleasing nobody ). TBH we aren't that far off with currently every major platform hemorrhaging personal relations with their clients, three of which are really just one company.
So a forum?
You're just gonna jinx it smh
They were called forums and they were great. Then everyone went to Reddit for that, people want convenience and now only go to like 5 or 6 websites when 20 years ago they used to go to more of them. That won't change even though it should.
@@poonoo87 essentially yes. It's the natural order of many things to go in these looping circles of evolution.
so its just going to become reddit or maybe 4chan
not exactly a step up
Leaving twitter was the best thing I did for my mental health this year.
good job man
You're intro and outro music always slaps Good job man
I feel what is a huge issue that seemingly isnt being address is doesnt twitter have an insane amount of debt on the books since elon bought twitter with loans from the bank with interest rates that shake out to 1 billion dollar yearly payment? I dont see how twitter lasts even two more years with that amount of debt it needs to pay
It's interesting to compare the effects of Twitters changes to those of Tumblr and how the reaction of the target audience who built a community there led to Tumblr niche downfall, and even though it's nowhere near as comparable, there are a lot of lessons Twitter should have taken from that, at least have a set goal of who they want the target audience to be and not affect the different communities who keep the platform active. It's fun to have a vision of a universal app but realistically nothing will be universal and appeal to everyone's habits and interests. At least porn is still on Twitter hahahaha
Not everything needs a replacement
I love how Elon Musk admitted he spent double the actual worth of Twitter. It's a different kind of rich to be able to just throw away 22 billion casually
Well, if RUclips adds some kind of twitter like forum/threads/home page or whatever you call it then I’ll probably just discard twitter.
I can’t wait for twi- I mean Xitter, to collapse In on itself.
Seeing as we have track record of others social media failing the answer is ...none
completely missed a big point where there actually numerous interoperable twitter-like social media servers out there ran for people with common interests wanting to communicate, not for profit. they're not mainstream / packed full of zoomers, but they're definitely 'alive'. they usually use mastodon.
imo, people have to re-learn the reason why there's no such thing as the 'email company', and yet email is still used by millions without needing advertising.
either way I'm having a nice time on the 'fediverse'
I left Twitter (and deleted my account) when Musk bought it and… Mastodon isn’t dead (for certain groups). Mastodon is still very much alive for tech people and, to some extent, games developers.
Is that a dog breed or something?
Nice Logan's Run visual metaphors🤘
The irony of using clips from logan's run is honestly on another level
The people still clinging to The Site Formerly Known As Twitter (TSFKAT) are those who are hoping that TSFKAT's last gasp will last just a little bit longer... and these are combined with those angry "right leaning" people who felt slighted by then Twitter's former management team and have come back to TSFKAT to take retribution on those who are hanging on during TSFKAT's last gasp.
There is absolutely no way a site that could barely net maybe a couple billion a year can pay down a $44 billion debt in any timely fashion... or more importantly, at all. This is particularly true since TSFKAT has lost most of its advertisers, drastically reducing its overall revenues. It's just a matter of time before Musk is forced to declare bankruptcy for TSFKAT. In fact, I'm surprised Musk hasn't yet tried to reorganize TSFKAT out of this debt through the bankruptcy court.
Twitter felt very limiting, really without Dragon City or Lucky Train, I don't think I would still be on Facebook.
Something already replaced Twitter! ❌🙃
Mastodon
@@hentehoo27, lol... "Mastodon" is more like an elephant mouse
Whats the song at the end of the video?
We may not be able to think of how Twitter will be replaced...
But at one time, people thought Sears would be replaced by Amazon or traditional mail would be replaced by email either.
same reason why society will never go cashless even if its convenient.
May the twitter bird always rest well, knowing it caused the world to burn in the process.
FR. Think of how much drama, controversy and general antisocial madness originated on and was facilitated by Twitter users. At the end of the day sadly I think Twitter probably has done MUCH more harm than good, lol.
Would it even matter?
Most of the population never was involved in Twitter in the first place, the majority of content and use was done by a small minority of users. So it's impact was widely exaggerated.
Then there's the fact that the core idea of politicians and celebrities being a "Twitt" away of themselves and their fans seems like a worse and worse idea as time passes, not to mention that it seems increasingly anachronistic, like an artifact of the 2010s.
So if Twitter dies good riddance! It at least cost Musk a boatload of money, and few people is as deserving of economic pain than him.
"I don't know if this is a happy ending" and then he doubles down on the sad ending lmfao
I think that threads should keep working at it. Musk is in SERIOUS trouble in the EU. It is entirely possible that Twitter is going to get banned in the EU. Threads is also a lot more advertiser friendly by basically not putting up with hate speech. There is only so much money that Twitter can keep bleeding. I don't think that threads has to be better I think it just has to survive.
Threads did not launch in the EU at all.
isnt threads in trouble with them too lol
i know facebook definitely isn't going to be compliant with GDPR
@@a.bastianwiik5592 Threads has not launched in the EU yet but they have stated an intention to launch in the EU and have said they are working to comply with all the existing laws for that. At least their dealing with hate speech seems to be adequate to keep them in compliance.
@@user-bkey Threads has not launched yet and they have said they intend to launch in the EU and be compatible with the existing laws.
I thought that facebook was now in compliance with GDPR with the new data sharing agreement between the US and EU finally approved. Did I miss something on that?
all of our popular social medias are so mid now that i realty think about it
Honestly, ever since I found out about that acquisition I just thought Musk wants to turn it into 4chan.
Them playing the power users on the app. And that will keep the engagement alive
If they made threads a normal website instead of some weird move of only making it a phone app i might use it
I would prefer if we went back to the pre-twitter days when people were a little less emotional, reactionary and stupid. Or at least when those were seen as negative traits.
We were like that before, just look about any take made about the Iraq War BEFORE it started.
People have always been this stupid. It's just with the internet stupid people can put their stupidity out there and attract like minded stupid people
When was that? In the 90's when Dungeons and Dragons was banned for being a satanic ritual? When Twisted Sister had to go before a congressional hearing and argue with Tipper Gore about the merits of rude lyrics in music? When Family Guy was cancelled for being too edgy for television? When owning a copy of the Satanic Verses could get you arrested? Nah, my guy... people have never been less emotiona, reactionary or stupid. It's just now they can leave a record for us all to read.
I dont think reactionary means what you think it does
I miss the days my biggest concern was moralfagging from the religious right
What’s the ending music? I love it
Whenever I hear, "Mastodon," I immediately think of the band.
if we could replace Twitter with therapy we'd be a real country again.
Forget the country, replacing Twitter with therapy could save us as a species
03:15 This is also why MySpace is still relevant for the music industry in 2023.
This video autoplayed and I was confused for a second!
A social network that kicks out bullies who harass people for the dumbest of reasons (like playing Hogwarts Legacy) would be a welcome replacement for me.