It's good to keep in mind that a total, nearly overnight abandonment of a social media platform has happened before. One example is the mass exodus from Digg to Reddit. And that happened because the Digg fundamentally retooled the experience to give much less power to regular users and more power to ads and super users, which the user base had constantly told Digg they absolutely hated. Also the new design was trying too hard to be like Twitter, ironically. Which was not an experience than what the users wanted on that platform. So as long as Elon does not stray too far from the expected experience too quickly, people probably won't be rushing to threads anytime soon.
Ironically Reddit has pretty much pulled a Digg. The site is so trash now that if you learn to recognize patterns, the bots are blatant, which calls into question how popular it really is and if they're lying about their active user counts.
Threads is dead lmfao mark Zuckerberg even stopped posting on it 😂😂 all the celebrities that left Twitter for it in protest are already back on Twitter because they can't make rage baiting content in an echo chamber site like threads
True! We had a same thing going on in the Netherlands when Facebook came to the forefront (we had a Dutch social media platform called: Hyves) overzicht everyone packed their stuff and moved to Facebook 🤓😅
Same. Never had Twitter. Deleted IG. Life is happier. Understanding the psychology of social media helped. Now I need to understand psychology of YT incase I need to curb it too lol
twitter isn't the issue its addiction to social media in general. stay agressively online on discord, reddit, youtube, twitter, whatever, its all the same get outside and enjoy the real world and find a belief system/religion to help you find your place and moderate your beliefs.
@@theonebman7581depends what you watch. I dunno about other people but If I didn't watch videos online my general knowledge would be many times smaller
My only concern is archival. While Twitter is a shit website where 99% of it is nothing but garbage there have been lots of important things posted on Twitter over the years. I hate the idea what when a website shuts down then all the information on it is lost forever too. This makes preserving internet history very difficult. I feel what would be a better(but unrealistic) way to end Twitter would be a permanent "read only" mode or something similar.
I mean it would still cost hefty amount of money just to keep it running in read only. Then they will force you to pay just to read past posts without new content, and nobody would pay just for tha
@@michaelrizka I would pay for that. Guaranteeing my continued access to twitter's backlog of content, even after the site dies would be a godsend to me given the entire reason I use twitter is to archive art. The pure anxiety I experience every hour of every day knowing the content could disappear forever at any time, it's destroying my mental health.
As much as I don't like Twitter, it baffles me that anyone would, even for a day, jump ship to a similar service run by _Facebook._ Facebook is such a scuzzy company, I just can't fathom why anyone would use any of their services.
I don't trust Facebook. I trust Elon Musk significantly less. Anyone who puts him as "more trustworthy" than Facebook, a company that at least _tries_ sometimes, is an idiot. I'm not saying trust Facebook, read my first sentence. I'm saying he's less trustworthy, and the sooner people realize it, the sooner the world will start to heal from the toxic trash he's been pumping out for years.
Yes. What is wrong with these people?!? We already have an alternative to Twitter (and Facebook) years before Musk's takeover. Minds. When are you guys going to come over there already?
You know, for a service that more or less dominates the internet, it's interesting how social media websites are so few and far between. I could walk to the supermarket and find more brands of pasta in the shelves than there are successful social media websites.
There used to be forums for every subject and group but now we just have the same couple of social medias. Reddit itself is a forum but it's too broad with no real community to hold it together apart from the seperate subreddits so it's barely a forum, not to mention that posting onto reddit doesn't have forum-like posting.
Network effect. The most users a social media site has, the more attractive it is - no-one wants to join a site where they have no friends already on the platform. So any large site grows larger, any small site is doomed to fail even if it is better in other ways. There's only room for a couple of big players within each market area, though which dominates does vary. Russia's social media is dominated by VK. China only has WeChat and Sina, because they blocked access to everything else.
@@anopirsten7565 There still *are* forums for a great many topics. It's just that reddit (and now somewhat discord) deincentivizes people to go searching for them. I'm part of quite a few of them, even for more general discussion beyond a specific focus, and usually find the community far better than reddit. The forum experience is alive and well, and even growing on quite a few of them. Find one you like and hop on it!
It's also just insane to think of how relatively new it is. MySpace is considered the "ganddad" of social media, and people who were born when it was founded are still using fake ideas to go to bars in the US. Facebook has been accused and praised for turning the tide of elections for what feels like forever, and it wouldn't even be old enough to vote, if it were a person
this is why the fediverse (the thing that Mastodon servers are a part of) is such a big deal. only if services are interoperable, there is proper competition between them. you can leave an instance that's shitty (either because of the software or the policies) and join another one without losing all your contacts. it's also complete nonsense that mastodon just popped up when Twitter was faltering and then poofed and went away. it's still there, has been since 2016, and it's a second generation fediverse service. i was around for the first generation (identi.ca) in 2009.
"Old people are keep using it while it's unable to attract new young users" is the truest story about tech lifecycle in general. It has already applied to television and anything "millennials are killing". If Twitter suddenly goes out of business with short notice then more people will get hurt since many businesses and emergency broadcasts are done on Twitter. It's like a fast and painful death instead of a slow and painless death.
@@falconeshield I started using Tumblr recently, and it's fun. Though it feels like a completely different beast from Twitter, so some people won't like that.
@@MrJimheerenY'all do know that Tumblr went the way of Myspace over half a decade ago by now right? Look up any well known artist's old page, it will 404 on you. As it should, fuck that website and their dumbass policies. And insane moderator decisions
I'm a Twitter addict (kind of), and I almost exclusively use it for art. The thing is, when it comes to art, the Twitter algorithm just never seems to miss. If I scroll through Twitter looking for art, chances are I will enjoy every post I see. It will even recommend posts from artists with less than 500 followers and still be able to determine when a post is good. I tried using Threads for a little while and it just... doesn't seem to know what to show me. I tried following all the artists from Instagram and exclusively liking art posts, yet my feed is still filled with celebrities complaining about politics. The art it shows me isn't even really to my taste, just stuff that has broad appeal. 70 million users, hundreds of thousands of artists signing up and posting, and the best it can do is more George Takei. Threads just clearly launched unfinished, and in its current state isn't even close to being a viable Twitter alternative. And really, same for all these other alternatives. They either don't have a good algorithm or just... don't have an algorithm at all, which is a really stupid idea if you're trying to be a content delivery platform.
Every person I talk about Twitter with is always complaining how awful the algorithm is and I'm just like "idk man have you seen these drawings? Crazy"
As someone that uses twitter primarily for looking at art, yeah, that's about it. Though I didn't try threads and never will, even if it kills twitter, there isn't another site as of now that fills the niche twitter does. Specially for NSFW content.
It’s always funny when people say Twitter is dead because they continue to use it regardless. Elon can continue to make silly decisions but until someone goes the Tumblr route I don’t think it’s going to die, just be mildly annoying
Mastodon is an interesting case because it's not really, that comparable to Twitter in the abstract. It's not even a single social media platform, it's a software that can be used to connect with a lose group of mini Twitter-like social medias, who can also communicate with a bunch of other mini social medias of varying types. I think Mastodon (and other sites like Pixelfed and Peertube) are trying to aim for something greater than replacing a specific social media, they're trying to expand social media in a more user-focused way. Currently, a Mastodon user can leave their current instance and go to a new instance and bring their followers along. Hopefully one day that'll be possible with a Mastodon user moving to Pixelfed. As community run projects though, they are also content to be self-sustaining, which they are. In fact, Mastodon users are actively hostile to Threads and Tumblr (both plan to integrate the ActivityPub protocol) because they don't want those massive influx of users with their influx of unmoderatable problems.
as an owner of a small fediverse instance, i honestly enjoy being on it than i ever enjoyed being on twitter. not sure if its just because of the users, or what kind of posts get shared. i do notice theres a lot less controversy and rageposting though
Yeah, I find it weird that he uses Mastodon as an example of a "dead" platform. Sounds like he looked at it once about a year ago when there was almost no one on, and hasn't looked at it since. Also, no discussion of ActivityPub in this video at all. Really not getting "the big picture" or a good understanding of social media and the future of social media in this video. It's a very shallow analysis, from the perspective of someone with a "following". Clearly he is unaware of ActivityPub, or ignoring it entirely for some unknown reason. One of the big things federated platforms can do is import/export your follows/followers, so especially with Mastodon, the problem of "losing your following" just doesn't really exist. It's only a problem for people who feel like their following on a platform like Twitter has any meaning at all, as if 90% of those follows aren't just bots anyway. 10,000 followers on Twitter, you probably only have a couple hundred real people that follow you at most, even fewer who will actively engage with your posts still. So with 10,000 followers, you might have just 10 regular users that interact with your stuff. I mean, look at youtube videos, only about 1-2% of viewers leave comments or a like/dislike. On Fedi, they don't flood big creators/influencers with fake follows just to make it look like you are growing, you have to actually put in effort to make your posts visible and that starts by finding a good community instance. Signing up on mastodon social is probably not going to be the best way to grow your following on fedi. It's also this idea that, they don't want to even spend any time trying to grow a following on any new platforms. Twitter is already a dead platform. Just because people post doesn't make it any less unviable. Not only is the brand dead, but Elon has not made any progress on improving the financial situation with the platform, in fact, making it worse. I don't doubt the website will still be up in 5+ years, I mean look at MySpace but no one in their right mind is saying that MySpace isn't a dead social media platform... because it is, and it died over 10 years ago.
The advantage is also a disadvantage. There's no manipulative algorithm to push people's emotional buttons and keep them engaged, but that also means it's going to have lower retention. The manipulation works.
tl;dr; ActivityPub/Masotodon are gonna win in the long run. It's just a matter of the general population feeling like going there after being burnt by monopolies for the 50th time.
Nothing else will ever feel like Twitter. Finding out a friend has a furry fart fetish because their likes appeared on my timeline is not something that will ever be replicated
i would argue it wouldn't be a good thing if it did fall. the political people would still exist and would just move elsewhere (probably to reddit or some similar new site) not solving the problem of political BS, and then art people who enjoy the good algorithm for art and stuff would be left without a good alternative. DeviantArt has a bad algorithm giving you weird AF fetish stuff even on a SFW account settings, and where else really works as an art hub with a big community? nothing but NSFW sites and e621 type places.
Exactly. I want low-tech socializing to come back in a big way-and not just among those over 40. Social media just accelerated an anti-community trend that has existed for decades ( *Bowling Alone* pointed it out back in 2000).
the fediverse is going to kill twitter, the fediverses potential is game changing just waiting on Threads and tumbler to give that big push to make it a reality
I'm a researcher and twitter is the only social media I "use" (Mostly lurking, very rarely post myself). I basically tuned the recommender system by aggressively muting anything outaide of the academia bubble. Just people sharing interesting work and sometimes voicing interesting ideas. I didn't feel much from the recent changes, other than some tweeting about mastodon around the time elon took over. Nothing changed in my circle, though
I signed up for twitter several years ago, and within 5 minutes - before I had even made a single tweet - I got a message saying I was banned. I took it as a sign from God and never went back.
Something most people don't seem to understand is that Mastadon was NEVER intended to replace Twitter. The biggest difference is Mastadon's decentralized. It also doesn't collect and sell personal data, and isn't designed to get you addicted. It makes its money though donations; the creator even turned down a buyout. It is free and open source software and service. The best thing Twitter ever did was introduce some more people to Mastadon (and to open source).
I think the fediverse as a whole could benefit if it embraced this message. Sites like Lemmy or pixefed could do well not to be Reddit or instagram replacements, but their own unique thing that takes inspiration from sites they’re similar too. Firefish and Misskey flavored markup (MFM) based instances (and similar!) as a whole really run with the idea that they’re something unique and from that we get a lot of unique features (cat mode anyone? XD)
The fact that it's open source does not mean it isn't made to be a Twitter competitor. The feature set is so similar. Although I like that it doesn't actively try to addict me, or sell my info, it's still got the really terrible Twitter-esque layout that makes it just horrible to use for anything except surface level political nonsense or just self-promotion. I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that early days desktop Facebook got a lot of things right. When it first started, it was all about your friends and what they were posting. There were no ads in the feed itself, and the focus was on messaging, groups and the feed. Do you remember when people used to actually post what they were thinking, rather than just endless spammy articles or the most basic political shit?
@@alexwr I think a better word would be alternative to Twitter. Your're right it has a feature set is similar feature set, but I think the differences are more important. The core features are similar, but the core ideas/goals couldn't be more different.
People won't leave twitter because they're already comfortable with the site and they've developed an addiction to it because people(Like myself) are morons
I left. Letting scammers and trolls buy influence with the blue check was what killed it for me. I may pop back in if I'm ever curious what fascists think about the news of the day, but lets be honest, there aren't many surprises coming from that crowd.
Those things have been messed with though. I'd say the biggest mistep was the rate limits and pay walling features. People would rather just open another app that let's them scroll for hours uninterrupted such as Instagram or tiktok
I thought, "well, buying Twitter on loan for 44 billion is stupid on almost every level, but it's Elon so he must have some plan to fix twitter and get the money back." He had no plan.
I don't want anything to replace Twitter, I don't want Twitter or anything like it to exist ever again, especially when the majority of the userbase are ai chatbot accounts designed to rage farm!
I use it mostly for the art community and gaming news. The art communities do very well for the site and it's a great way to communicate and find artists. Totes not leaving, but most def looking to make an account somewhere else, JIC. BTW, all social media, blogging sites, artboards, and forums are all considered terrible. But social media becomes that way if your interests are on discourse like politics, which it does try to steer users towards it. "When do we shoot the _____" was literally one of the first 10 tweets on my feed because I watch the Jimquisition
I mostly left twitter for mastodon. I liked it a lot more because it’s a more chill experience for me. I don’t think the site is much of a twitter killer, but I don’t think it’s trying to be that.
There's also the aspect of federation. It'll take time, but platforms like mastodon (and firefish, and lemmy, and pixelfed...) which inter-operate via activitypub, bring with them the possibility that if we can get over that threshold of getting people onto the fediverse, we'll never have to deal with the "we wont leave for something better because this is where the people we want to interact with are" problem ever again. New platforms can get phased in, user by user, with much less friction in-between.
Calling it now, Twitter's the new myspace. Bluesky becomes the Tumblr to Twitter's Reddit, and Threads has already kinda fizzled once people realized your aunt could keep tabs on ya :/
@@makito106 When Digg got overtaken by Reddit back in the day, a lot of its users migrated to Tumblr. Tumblr is often the nicer, more welcoming social media site, which is likely what Bluesky is going to be. Twitter becomes Myspace (after the rise of Facebook) in that it's still alive, but no one relevant goes there. You can still go to Myspace to this day, but does anybody do it that's important or relevant? No.
Yeah I'm in that boat of probably not leaving Twitter unless the site itself disappears. I'm not a Musk fanatic or even a Twitter fanatic, but it is the one place I managed to get some kind of following with my art, meager by comparison though it may be. The biggest problem a sudden mass migration poses for people such as myself who rely on the social media of their choosing to get work is this: Yeah, I might eventually get the follower count up there again on Mastodon/Hive/Bluesky/Threads, but in the meantime, you might be well asking me to go hungry while people rediscover me.
Honestly the only Twitter Killer is... To just leave Twitter. Why do we always need an alternative? Twitter was always a dumpster on fire. Not because of the idea or the policy. It's because of the people there. Move everyone to Threads and you will lit that dumpster on fire as well. We're all so addicted to social media and the FOMO surrounding it, that we totally forget that it sucks. I know it doesn't apply to everyone but I feel like a lot of people aren't enjoying it anyways - and with it I mean everything including Twitter and Instagram. I quit Instagram because it was so time consuming. I thought that now I'll miss what all my friends are doing and that I'll be left out... It was so hard to finally delete the app. And honestly? I feel so much better. I never gave a fuck what other people were doing or eating on Insta. I don't give a fuck what some stupid conservative in Texas thinks about abortion on Twitter. Honestly the only "enjoyable" interactions I have are on RUclips - because no one ever cares enough to reply. Maybe that will inspire some people to move forward. If you think it sucks: Leave. No one forces you to be on any site. It won't get better and there's enough good content elsewhere. Or in other words: Actually go touch some grass
bro, if there's no alternative, then people will just stick with twitter, while the investors still making money off their bs, it shouldn't be explained to you
Seconded, staying off social media is great. But main reason for twitter thriving is most people get their news first on twitter. And the trending is a voice to achieve something, which has in many instances
It was a fire by design. The format of the site is expressly intended to make in-depth conversation impossible. It's not a site for discussion - you can't have a discussion there. The post length is kept deliberately too short for that, and there's no proper threading mechanism. It's a site for throwing out a couple of sentences of witty comment and getting approval from people who like the sound of it.
@@vylbird8014 Yup, very well said. It's meant for short hot takes, not actual opinion or debate. When I was on the site, I _always_ ended up having to do 2 tweets when I replied to people due to the character limit. Here's my rule: large problems require nuanced views, and if you have a very nuanced view of a large problem, then it's impossible to express it in 280 characters or less. (Which is an ironic rule, since it's 155 characters.)
@@ratedr7845 bro my second sentence is "we don't need an alternative". People need to change their mindset. You don't need an alternative for everything. If you for example quit your gym membership, you're not always looking for the next sport to do. Sometimes people just stop doing things. It's normal. And yeah.. if you have an alternative you give your money to a less shitty investor. There's plenty of things to do that give people joy. Twitter isn't that. So why bother?
One thing that will definitely kill twitter is mistreating the artists. The only two function Twitter has is Art and Politics. As addictive as Politics is, it gets tiresome quick and only crazy people would participate in it. Twitter has the advantage of being an art platform that isn't as restrictive as Instagram while providing a place where Artists and their fans can hang out easily. After Musk's Twitter Blue fiasco, art community has grown sour since it does prioritize people paid for Twitter Blue, and artists are known for having not much money.
Is twitter even a thing outside the US? The only thing I had heard about twitter before Musk took over is that it was a place celebrities used to post instead of facebook.
If Elon were to attempt a sale, 1. would anyone buy it, 2. for what cost, 3. when it would inevitably sell for a massive, loss, how would he repay those Saudi oligarchs he borrowed the money from?
1. No. 2. More likely bankruptcy 3. Saudi-Arabia, at any time, has 10 megaprojects going that will fail and fizzle out with little to no return. The Jeddah tower, the cube, the line, the financial city, the war in Yemen/Syria/Libya, Hyperloop/flying cars/high speed trains, non-religious tourism, trying to get FIFA/WWE/NBA/F1 Grand Prix, giant mall-hotel in Mecca etc etc
8:22 This is literally what I have always said, people on Twitter hate Facebook simply because is the only social media their parents know how to use, and like, why is it so common for people to talk about alt accounts to not to be horny on main but have never thought of making an alternate fb account to not to be shitposter near your family? Like, you don't have to add your family in your account named Megatron Dalolplayer. You can shitpost on fb as long as you don't add the forbidden words, which are whatever the hell Zuck feels like banning that minute.
I think X is going to have a Tumblr ending - not quite dead yet not really alive and definitely not relevant anymore. it's going to drag for years until it's core followers will move on
honestly part of the reason i went to tumblr a month ago and essentially ghosted my twitter account was because tumblr is the closest thing to what twitter was. And it still has a userbase too. People hear Tumblr and immediately thing 2015 era, where people were before they moved to twitter. But we're almost a decade later and it's become a nicer experience, they put less disagreeable stuff on your feed, generally it's somewhat more palatable.
Yes Tumblr is a whole lot nicer now then it was back than, *but* I've noticed more rude people being angry and complaining and trying to start fights recently, now that a lot of people moved to Tumblr from Twitter. And most of those angry complainers tend to be newer blogs with hardly anything on it. Now of course those people could be long time users who keep getting their accounts deleted, but I doubt all of them are.
Tbh the weird tribalism around "moving" between platforms was always weird to me. I've been using Tumblr for 11 years and had a Twitter since 2007, I've used both on an off all that time. Stopped using Facebook altogether (and deleted) not long after Cambridge Analytica. Now stopped using Twitter. Maybe I'm just getting older but the internet has always been ever changing to me, sticking to one singular social media platform and making it a personality trait is utterly bizarre. I agree on Tumblr though it's the one thing I still use frequently as I've curated who I follow so its mostly just funny shit with some minor political stuff. But if Tumblr died tomorrow I wouldn't really care, there's more to life than social media.
IIRC, first there was a move from DA to tumblr once the site took off. Then everyone left tumblr after the NSFW mass flagging to Twitter. Now it comes full circle where everyone on DA and Twitter are moving to Tumblr.
I am an outlier. I finally left twitter and I don't miss the platform but the friends and users I've met; as you said. Two accounts over 14 years. Gone.
The reason none of the twitter "clones" ever succeed is because they're NOT clones at all, they're completely different beasts. Most don't even have a website!
I just wish the Internet was like it was in 2010ish. People had their own websites because they _wanted to have one._ There was a barrier to entry, which led to more interesting stuff and less ragebaiting. You _browsed_ the Internet, you weren't just fed a list of "recommendations" that algorithm predicts will get you to stay on sites so that they can feed you more ads. I really hope that people start moving away from social media in general. The only social media site I use is RUclips, and I'm aggressive about making sure my time on the site is driven by me and not by recommendations it makes. (I have a userscript that makes my home page redirect to my subscriptions, I block the sidebar of recommended videos plus all the recommendations after credits roll, and I have _all_ notifications disabled.) To paraphrase a famous mathematician (best known for his other work), "social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
- implying mastodon just appeared and disappeared - me on three different instances (ok, one mastodon, one akkoma, and another firefish) with over a hundred follows and following - with people that are there because they actually want and are there to form connections, not fighting for "number go up" - the moderators are actual people also using the place I can casually message at any moment and are very transparent about all management actions - been having a good time for over a year - yup, seems pretty dead to me
i mean if you don't want the political idiots to just go elsewhere and have them flood reddit/4chan/elsewhere, than yes. idiots don't go away with websites they just kind of move
The first five days of Threads were great. Then in droves the journalists, the political commentators, and the politicians came. At first I had randos in my feed, which I loved. I could even tolerate celebrities and brands. But now I've uninstalled it. They're adding Twitter-like features, but I never used Twitter so idc enough to re-download.
Remember folks, this is The Twilight Zone that we're living in, more specifically "The Obsolete Man", where physical media is viewed as "obsolete" and all the information is just stored in webs which is easier to change or delete to its site's wish. Personally, I wish social media never exists.
Same. I've started archiving anything I care about since it's the only way that I can guarantee I'll be able to access it in the future. Movies, TV, music, ebooks, RUclips channels, subreddits, etc.
I think that threads has a decent chance, but something tell me they would have to be substantially better than Twitter was even Pre-Musk to really take the crown
I left Twitter for a while because they screwed me over and it's pretty useless. Now I'm on there only to keep up with Beam and post about it occasionally. If it wasn't for that I would leave again because I don't follow anybody because of the thing you said in the video. It's designed to make you angry, most everyone retweets and posts horrendous things "Look what this awful person did shame her! Look at that horrible thing! Isn't that awful?" and I don't really care about my followers at all. Sure it helps if they see what I tweet and I want people to see it but that's it. If anything it makes me kinda feel like they might be watching whatever I like or do on there. It's a dumb website but barely anyone know about beam so. It's a privacy centric crypto. If anything these videos make me mad that I have an account on there
I'm also holding on to Threads, most toxic apes are staying on Twitter, so I don't really mind the lack of content on Threads for now. Quality > Quantity.
I'm wondering why he kept saying Threads isn't a replacement; because of immediate lack of volume? Literally no argument, just a claim. I was really hoping for any kind of solid argument with that.
You don't WIN in Big Tech, you just last long enough for the competition to SCREW UP so hard they implode. The Console Wars, The Streaming Wars, and now Social Media.
Mastadon and Hive tried to “replace” Twitter last year. Both failed. Maybe Twitter won’t be replaced and that toxic form of communication will just go away.
been thinking all of this for a long time and i'm happy that it's in video form now. you can honestly just tell that twitter won't die because people keep signing up for alternatives but they just let those accounts rot waiting for the site to boom so everyone goes on and now they have a reason to go on there, which is just not going to happen. this is honestly what's happening with bluesky right now, i thought that because it's made by people responsible for twitter (i think??) it might actually have a chance but it'll probably just rot, people just share their @s for bluesky just in case and that's it. also really like the analysis of how generations split up to different social medias, it's so common for people around my age to just straight up think facebook is dead but that's just because we're not on there anymore, but it still has it uses for older people and families and whatever else. it's weird to think about how that may be how twitter ends up in a couple years. it could also mean that it's possible that every generation will have its own hip and cool social media and that'd be funny to see
Except I don't really know many people who use twitter. None of my friends nearly 30, none of my early 20's friends, no one. Scratch that, I know exactly 3 people who use twitter, and they're all furries who are pretty open about the fact that they use it for porn. Two of them have also expressed interest in switching to blue sky, but mentioned they needed an invite code. I barely use youtube, and scroll through reddit once or twice a week, and have snapchat for keeping in touch with a couple of people. I dont know how people put this much effort into "needing" social media
@@AnArmoredMarch it becomes a "need" when you get sucked up into it which you and the people you know havent it can kinda be an actual need once you become a personality online and you want to promote yourself or whatever else
@@user-bkey becoming an online personality isnt inevitable, nor does it make money on most sites. People will do just about anything to justify having something small like 1-10k followers lol. Sorry, you ain't shit, now fuck off and come have a beer with the rest of the world instead of getting rage baited 24/7. It isnt important, and it never will be. Twitter is a shitty early warning system, a shitty form of social media, a shitty way to stay in touch with people's actual lives, and probably the least fun way to destroy your mental health
i could see twitter changing into more of an art app as its really best for that. its algorithm is better than deviantart's, its got a ok sized follower base, and its quick scrolling is great for getting through what you don't want to see and liking/saving what you do. literally where else does art stuff as good as twitter without being really disgusting at times???
In the early days of the Internet, we didn't have platforms like Twitter - we had distributed systems based on open protocols like SMTP, NNTP, and IRC. No one company controlled the service - you accessed the content through an independent provider (usually your ISP) whose servers exchanged messages with all the other independent providers' servers. (The irony is, modern platforms use similar protocols behind the scenes - Netflix installs their own servers inside your ISP, and those servers exchange videos with other Netflix servers.) In an ideal world, Twitter (and RUclips, etc) would be replaced with open protocols. Your ISP (or an independent provider of your choice) would provide servers that exchange messages (or even videos) with other independent providers' servers.
I wonder if it might actually better that Twitter keeps existing but in a less accessible way and with its userbase stagnating. That means its potential for harm would be reduced.
reddit communities trying to decide whether to turn into a toxic wasteland or die out completely for real though i notice the only subreddits that don't slowly degrade into either being banned, becoming political echo chambers or a million other calamities is gaming/tech subs. having another auxiliary community to back up a sub into relavance and out of stagnation really helps i guess.
My money is on Threads being the eventual Twitter/X killer. Not only because Meta is thinking long term about how to be a better Twitter than the now Chernobyl Exclusion Zone that is X, but also hiring the very people Musk fired when he initially took over. That, and because Musk is rushing the process of adding multiple features without testing, and will inevitably blow up in his face due to how poorly those features are made (there are plans to make a stock trade feature on the website. Anyone who had experience with Robin Hood would probably know this is a terrible idea)
When Musk started charging for TweetDeck access and limiting how many tweets you can view in a day, I (as one of that 10% of power users) bailed. Last time I looked at the website, actual child porn was trending, so, it's basically 4chan now *shrug*
Maybe I'm alone on this, however I never understood the point of twitter to begin with. To jot down and broadcast little thoughts and comments through out my day? Why not post on Facebook or Instagram? It might make sense for certain politicians however I think everyone else who has an account does it just because it's there. Someone is going to say "Oh you're not on twitter? Why not?"
I think people shifted from Facebook because everyone's moms and dads where on there. And it made it feel like less of the "cool place" to hangout. My theory
@@TimTheHuman-br1nl There are all kinds of online platforms: TikTok, Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. I've never met anyone with a twitter feed and the only people I have heard of who use twitter are Donald Trump and Anthony Weiner and they have now left as well.
I’m a huge sports fan and I would say using Twitter (not calling it X) has helped me connect with other fans in my fanbases and outside them. My experience using the platform has made me appreciate sports more, as teams and leagues are constantly posting highlights soon after they happen. Great memes and comedy can come from these as well. The platform itself has gotten worse but as long as the platform still makes the experience of being a sports fan worthwhile, I’ll keep using it. I’m done making new social medias, so unless a true Twitter killer comes along, I’m sticking with what I have.
Feels like the replacement of twitter, generationally, was Instagram. At least for the people I grew up around (mid twenties), and then it was replaced by tik tok
Its inherently extremally dificult to kill any social media platform. Imo since twitter hasnt died yet, it will stick around. The possibility i find most likely is that it becomes too expensive to keep the website up and it gets closed. I hope that it gets "replaced" by the days of having small forums for specific groups, but i know that another cesspool run by a tech company that everyone will grow to despise will replace it.
Dont think Twitter cant be replaced as geared to dumbest takes or bait to spark fights. Good thing it has going is trending similar to RUclips & as well keeping up with news before any where else.
Am probably a rare case where I went from being highly addicted to Twitter to deleting it at the height of that addiction. And the truth is that my life quality improved significantly. Missing all the dumpster fire made me less depressed, and my attention span improved so much that I've binged down a dozen books in only a few months thanks to it. None of my pre-existing friendships with the people I followed on twitter suffered either.
I left, but only because Twitter was already on its way out with me even before the acquisition. I also wasn't one of the diehard Twitteristas. I personally find Mastodon similar enough that it gives me my Twitter fix without actually being Twitter or having most of its problems. The things I used Twitter for could really be replicated on any platform with a similar format.
@@slob5041 I mean, I have no intention of returning to X in its current form. If Musk sells the company and/or reintroduces content moderation, and the site is demonstrably proven to be less toxic, then maybe.
I’ve literally never made a tweet or followed anyone on twitter, ig, Facebook, Snapchat etc etc I literally use Reddit for forums on games and text messages and RUclips, social media where you can view other people’s lives is such a plague on your mind .
It's already being replaced; just because it's not happening instantly, doesn't mean it isn't happening at all. Too many people these days expect instant gratification with ZERO understanding of how the world actually works.
I'm still *on* Twitter, but I don't engage as much anymore. Many of the people I was there to follow migrated elsewhere, so there just isn't as much for me to engage with. I do stay around, mostly just to watch Troy burn.
I love how Elon Musk admitted he spent double the actual worth of Twitter. It's a different kind of rich to be able to just throw away 22 billion casually
one thing IS for sure, if you are an artist at least, any place that claims to be a twitter killer that is ALSO one of those "by artists for artists" will pretty much fail on arrival. A platform made to address a specific niche of a wide platform misses the point why that niche is so prevalent on that wide platform anyway. For all its problems, twitter's algorithm and social aspects mesh well with the average artist. Every other platform thats specifically for artists is just a big community center filled with artists interacting and posting among one another without any sorta audience. Johnny bunch-o-numbers on twitter isn't gonna sign up for the hip new platform just to support the one artist that decided to migrate there
which is really sad to me because twitter is so garbage for viewing art, all you can do is just scroll through an artists media tab which will be filled with a bunch of other bullshit also a community center for artists doesnt sound bad..
@@user-bkey a community center for artists isn't actually bad but as a means of being a "twitter killer" it sucks dick. A twitter killer needs to function like twitter and do better and yea, for being decent for artists in terms of reach, sociability, and algorithm, its worse for artists in really necessary QoL areas like a functioning gallery and folder options
@@user-bkey i don't know what you are talking about its great for art. sure there are some political stuff on the side but i find the algorithm (even post elon) works well). maybe i just am used to scrolling because i started with deviantart (which requires far more scrolling and looking through weird stuff than twitter) so my norm for dealing with random junk is higher.
yep, the only other alternative is deviantart, which has a penchant for showing weird fetish stuff even on SFW account settings, DA is sorta weird like that. twitter will survive in some capacity as long as it doesn't actively discourage artists (both normal and NSFW types) from staying.
here's my second channel I livestream there and sometimes make videos;
www.youtube.com/@Whimsu
What a waste of $44billion
Could have down an almost endless list of positive things with that
Hasn’t Threads already replaced it?
Whimsu my beloved
havent finished the video, but please have a mastodon mention. lets see
Thank you for this interesting discussion video!
can you imagine if he took that $44B and built a jurassic park instead - we could all be eating brontosaurus burgers and riding a triceratops to work
No I can't imagine that
I'd like to think🎉
@shigermuleye5203 dinosaurs are even easier to control than hogs so itd be fine
Unlikely as it would be difficult to recreate dinosaurs, especially something as large as a sauropodomorph 🤓
Spending $44m on that would've produced the same result... Jack sh*t lol
It's good to keep in mind that a total, nearly overnight abandonment of a social media platform has happened before. One example is the mass exodus from Digg to Reddit.
And that happened because the Digg fundamentally retooled the experience to give much less power to regular users and more power to ads and super users, which the user base had constantly told Digg they absolutely hated.
Also the new design was trying too hard to be like Twitter, ironically. Which was not an experience than what the users wanted on that platform.
So as long as Elon does not stray too far from the expected experience too quickly, people probably won't be rushing to threads anytime soon.
Ironically Reddit has pretty much pulled a Digg. The site is so trash now that if you learn to recognize patterns, the bots are blatant, which calls into question how popular it really is and if they're lying about their active user counts.
Threads is dead lmfao mark Zuckerberg even stopped posting on it 😂😂 all the celebrities that left Twitter for it in protest are already back on Twitter because they can't make rage baiting content in an echo chamber site like threads
dont forget myspace
True! We had a same thing going on in the Netherlands when Facebook came to the forefront (we had a Dutch social media platform called: Hyves) overzicht everyone packed their stuff and moved to Facebook 🤓😅
This has less to do with tech and more to do with Elon's political leaning. The Left goes berserk as soon as it loses control.
Deleted Twitter in 2020. My mental health improved dramatically week of. Seeing whats been happening has been too funny for words
Same. Never had Twitter. Deleted IG. Life is happier. Understanding the psychology of social media helped. Now I need to understand psychology of YT incase I need to curb it too lol
twitter isn't the issue its addiction to social media in general. stay agressively online on discord, reddit, youtube, twitter, whatever, its all the same
get outside and enjoy the real world and find a belief system/religion to help you find your place and moderate your beliefs.
The only social media I use is RUclips, everything else is replaceable.
That itself is a massive issue too tho
I fucking hate RUclips but it’s the best we get for the moment
@@theonebman7581depends what you watch. I dunno about other people but If I didn't watch videos online my general knowledge would be many times smaller
@@kotzpennerExactly
Honestly only youtube is replaceable.
My only concern is archival. While Twitter is a shit website where 99% of it is nothing but garbage there have been lots of important things posted on Twitter over the years. I hate the idea what when a website shuts down then all the information on it is lost forever too. This makes preserving internet history very difficult. I feel what would be a better(but unrealistic) way to end Twitter would be a permanent "read only" mode or something similar.
I mean it would still cost hefty amount of money just to keep it running in read only. Then they will force you to pay just to read past posts without new content, and nobody would pay just for tha
All of my pictures and funny jokes... gone 😭
That’s why we have things like the Wayback Machine, courtesy of the Internet Archive
This is just getting more and more like Twilight Zone all over again...
@@michaelrizka I would pay for that. Guaranteeing my continued access to twitter's backlog of content, even after the site dies would be a godsend to me given the entire reason I use twitter is to archive art. The pure anxiety I experience every hour of every day knowing the content could disappear forever at any time, it's destroying my mental health.
As much as I don't like Twitter, it baffles me that anyone would, even for a day, jump ship to a similar service run by _Facebook._ Facebook is such a scuzzy company, I just can't fathom why anyone would use any of their services.
I was wondering the same thing! It doesn’t seem like much of an improvement?
Yeah but they're all just as awful.
@@TheRealHaloLover Yes and we have a choice not to just choose the lesser evil and actually invest in a good choice.
I don't trust Facebook. I trust Elon Musk significantly less. Anyone who puts him as "more trustworthy" than Facebook, a company that at least _tries_ sometimes, is an idiot. I'm not saying trust Facebook, read my first sentence. I'm saying he's less trustworthy, and the sooner people realize it, the sooner the world will start to heal from the toxic trash he's been pumping out for years.
Yes. What is wrong with these people?!?
We already have an alternative to Twitter (and Facebook) years before Musk's takeover.
Minds.
When are you guys going to come over there already?
You know, for a service that more or less dominates the internet, it's interesting how social media websites are so few and far between. I could walk to the supermarket and find more brands of pasta in the shelves than there are successful social media websites.
There used to be forums for every subject and group but now we just have the same couple of social medias. Reddit itself is a forum but it's too broad with no real community to hold it together apart from the seperate subreddits so it's barely a forum, not to mention that posting onto reddit doesn't have forum-like posting.
Network effect. The most users a social media site has, the more attractive it is - no-one wants to join a site where they have no friends already on the platform. So any large site grows larger, any small site is doomed to fail even if it is better in other ways. There's only room for a couple of big players within each market area, though which dominates does vary. Russia's social media is dominated by VK. China only has WeChat and Sina, because they blocked access to everything else.
@@anopirsten7565 There still *are* forums for a great many topics. It's just that reddit (and now somewhat discord) deincentivizes people to go searching for them. I'm part of quite a few of them, even for more general discussion beyond a specific focus, and usually find the community far better than reddit.
The forum experience is alive and well, and even growing on quite a few of them. Find one you like and hop on it!
It's also just insane to think of how relatively new it is. MySpace is considered the "ganddad" of social media, and people who were born when it was founded are still using fake ideas to go to bars in the US.
Facebook has been accused and praised for turning the tide of elections for what feels like forever, and it wouldn't even be old enough to vote, if it were a person
this is why the fediverse (the thing that Mastodon servers are a part of) is such a big deal. only if services are interoperable, there is proper competition between them. you can leave an instance that's shitty (either because of the software or the policies) and join another one without losing all your contacts.
it's also complete nonsense that mastodon just popped up when Twitter was faltering and then poofed and went away. it's still there, has been since 2016, and it's a second generation fediverse service. i was around for the first generation (identi.ca) in 2009.
Born too early to explore Space
Born too late to explore Earth
Born just in time to witness Twitter, world's sewage system
Born just in time for a cage fight with Mark Zuckerberg 🥊
@@internet_userr fight got canned. Musk Mom got involved saying they shouldnt fight
breaking bad was 15 years ago
how tf are you here
Most of earth hasn’t been explored. It’s just underwater.
"Old people are keep using it while it's unable to attract new young users" is the truest story about tech lifecycle in general. It has already applied to television and anything "millennials are killing".
If Twitter suddenly goes out of business with short notice then more people will get hurt since many businesses and emergency broadcasts are done on Twitter. It's like a fast and painful death instead of a slow and painless death.
I use Twitter for art and sticking with a few friends. Threads hates artist, even more so then Twitter.
Return to Tumblr
@@falconeshield I started using Tumblr recently, and it's fun. Though it feels like a completely different beast from Twitter, so some people won't like that.
Everyone hates artists.
@@MrJimheerenY'all do know that Tumblr went the way of Myspace over half a decade ago by now right?
Look up any well known artist's old page, it will 404 on you. As it should, fuck that website and their dumbass policies. And insane moderator decisions
@@MrJimheerenr34
I'm a Twitter addict (kind of), and I almost exclusively use it for art.
The thing is, when it comes to art, the Twitter algorithm just never seems to miss. If I scroll through Twitter looking for art, chances are I will enjoy every post I see. It will even recommend posts from artists with less than 500 followers and still be able to determine when a post is good.
I tried using Threads for a little while and it just... doesn't seem to know what to show me. I tried following all the artists from Instagram and exclusively liking art posts, yet my feed is still filled with celebrities complaining about politics. The art it shows me isn't even really to my taste, just stuff that has broad appeal. 70 million users, hundreds of thousands of artists signing up and posting, and the best it can do is more George Takei.
Threads just clearly launched unfinished, and in its current state isn't even close to being a viable Twitter alternative. And really, same for all these other alternatives. They either don't have a good algorithm or just... don't have an algorithm at all, which is a really stupid idea if you're trying to be a content delivery platform.
"I'm a Twitter addict"
You okay my guy?
@@CountGremlinI wouldn't trust a thing he says
@@internet_userr Nah, whatever they say is honestly true, at least for art...
Every person I talk about Twitter with is always complaining how awful the algorithm is and I'm just like "idk man have you seen these drawings? Crazy"
As someone that uses twitter primarily for looking at art, yeah, that's about it. Though I didn't try threads and never will, even if it kills twitter, there isn't another site as of now that fills the niche twitter does. Specially for NSFW content.
It’s always funny when people say Twitter is dead because they continue to use it regardless. Elon can continue to make silly decisions but until someone goes the Tumblr route I don’t think it’s going to die, just be mildly annoying
even tumblr didn't truly die. some people stayed around and quite a few went back to it when twitter started to wobble a bit.
Imgur did a Tumblr recently, no more NSFW pics lol
You’re hilarious. People and most IMPORTANTLY investors and advertisers are leaving. If Twitter doesn’t make money, it won’t stay up.
GAB is the best site - The only one with free speech. You can talk freely about JEWS.
@@SLD-bz9soI agree that people are lazy, though does that mean everyone is a quintillionaire?
Mastodon is an interesting case because it's not really, that comparable to Twitter in the abstract. It's not even a single social media platform, it's a software that can be used to connect with a lose group of mini Twitter-like social medias, who can also communicate with a bunch of other mini social medias of varying types.
I think Mastodon (and other sites like Pixelfed and Peertube) are trying to aim for something greater than replacing a specific social media, they're trying to expand social media in a more user-focused way. Currently, a Mastodon user can leave their current instance and go to a new instance and bring their followers along. Hopefully one day that'll be possible with a Mastodon user moving to Pixelfed.
As community run projects though, they are also content to be self-sustaining, which they are. In fact, Mastodon users are actively hostile to Threads and Tumblr (both plan to integrate the ActivityPub protocol) because they don't want those massive influx of users with their influx of unmoderatable problems.
as an owner of a small fediverse instance, i honestly enjoy being on it than i ever enjoyed being on twitter. not sure if its just because of the users, or what kind of posts get shared. i do notice theres a lot less controversy and rageposting though
Yeah, I find it weird that he uses Mastodon as an example of a "dead" platform. Sounds like he looked at it once about a year ago when there was almost no one on, and hasn't looked at it since. Also, no discussion of ActivityPub in this video at all. Really not getting "the big picture" or a good understanding of social media and the future of social media in this video. It's a very shallow analysis, from the perspective of someone with a "following". Clearly he is unaware of ActivityPub, or ignoring it entirely for some unknown reason. One of the big things federated platforms can do is import/export your follows/followers, so especially with Mastodon, the problem of "losing your following" just doesn't really exist. It's only a problem for people who feel like their following on a platform like Twitter has any meaning at all, as if 90% of those follows aren't just bots anyway. 10,000 followers on Twitter, you probably only have a couple hundred real people that follow you at most, even fewer who will actively engage with your posts still. So with 10,000 followers, you might have just 10 regular users that interact with your stuff. I mean, look at youtube videos, only about 1-2% of viewers leave comments or a like/dislike. On Fedi, they don't flood big creators/influencers with fake follows just to make it look like you are growing, you have to actually put in effort to make your posts visible and that starts by finding a good community instance. Signing up on mastodon social is probably not going to be the best way to grow your following on fedi. It's also this idea that, they don't want to even spend any time trying to grow a following on any new platforms.
Twitter is already a dead platform. Just because people post doesn't make it any less unviable. Not only is the brand dead, but Elon has not made any progress on improving the financial situation with the platform, in fact, making it worse. I don't doubt the website will still be up in 5+ years, I mean look at MySpace but no one in their right mind is saying that MySpace isn't a dead social media platform... because it is, and it died over 10 years ago.
The advantage is also a disadvantage. There's no manipulative algorithm to push people's emotional buttons and keep them engaged, but that also means it's going to have lower retention. The manipulation works.
I'm not reading that
tl;dr; ActivityPub/Masotodon are gonna win in the long run.
It's just a matter of the general population feeling like going there after being burnt by monopolies for the 50th time.
Nothing else will ever feel like Twitter. Finding out a friend has a furry fart fetish because their likes appeared on my timeline is not something that will ever be replicated
this is the biggest reason why i have a lurker account.
Bruh. Are you still friends after that?
@@viridianacortes9642 *best* friends even!
@@sovietunion7643wtf is lurker💀💀💀
Only thing I can say is; thank god I NEVER acted on the urge to download twitter about 3-4 years ago…
I wish I had. I only joined about a month before Musk took over. I've been told that the atmosphere on Twitter used to less toxic.
"Twitter may never die." Yes, it will. All things within the realm of the changing will pass, eventually.
i would argue it wouldn't be a good thing if it did fall. the political people would still exist and would just move elsewhere (probably to reddit or some similar new site) not solving the problem of political BS, and then art people who enjoy the good algorithm for art and stuff would be left without a good alternative.
DeviantArt has a bad algorithm giving you weird AF fetish stuff even on a SFW account settings, and where else really works as an art hub with a big community? nothing but NSFW sites and e621 type places.
Damn no way
People will forget eventually
Yeah I don’t see gen alpha using it.
Twitter will have to evolve to virtual reality for it to survive
I think a better question than "Can Anything Replace Twitter?" is "Can we just, NOT replace it?"
Exactly. I want low-tech socializing to come back in a big way-and not just among those over 40. Social media just accelerated an anti-community trend that has existed for decades ( *Bowling Alone* pointed it out back in 2000).
Good riddance to twatter.
Twitter is making real life like 4chan.
the fediverse is going to kill twitter, the fediverses potential is game changing just waiting on Threads and tumbler to give that big push to make it a reality
@@planescaped yeah, kinda
*people proceeding to glue themselves to trucks, or streets, or something else which is annoying
People simply don’t like change. I thought I’d see a comment acknowledging the dumpster fire twitter was before the rebrand.
I'm a researcher and twitter is the only social media I "use" (Mostly lurking, very rarely post myself). I basically tuned the recommender system by aggressively muting anything outaide of the academia bubble. Just people sharing interesting work and sometimes voicing interesting ideas. I didn't feel much from the recent changes, other than some tweeting about mastodon around the time elon took over. Nothing changed in my circle, though
I signed up for twitter several years ago, and within 5 minutes - before I had even made a single tweet - I got a message saying I was banned. I took it as a sign from God and never went back.
@@mallninja9805That's a real comedy right there
Did they give you a reason for banning you? Seems very odd they would do that if you haven't even tweeted.@@mallninja9805
It does very well seem like the people who've had the worst experience with twitter didn't really know how to actually use it
Something most people don't seem to understand is that Mastadon was NEVER intended to replace Twitter. The biggest difference is Mastadon's decentralized. It also doesn't collect and sell personal data, and isn't designed to get you addicted. It makes its money though donations; the creator even turned down a buyout.
It is free and open source software and service. The best thing Twitter ever did was introduce some more people to Mastadon (and to open source).
I think the fediverse as a whole could benefit if it embraced this message. Sites like Lemmy or pixefed could do well not to be Reddit or instagram replacements, but their own unique thing that takes inspiration from sites they’re similar too. Firefish and Misskey flavored markup (MFM) based instances (and similar!) as a whole really run with the idea that they’re something unique and from that we get a lot of unique features (cat mode anyone? XD)
The fact that it's open source does not mean it isn't made to be a Twitter competitor. The feature set is so similar.
Although I like that it doesn't actively try to addict me, or sell my info, it's still got the really terrible Twitter-esque layout that makes it just horrible to use for anything except surface level political nonsense or just self-promotion.
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that early days desktop Facebook got a lot of things right. When it first started, it was all about your friends and what they were posting. There were no ads in the feed itself, and the focus was on messaging, groups and the feed. Do you remember when people used to actually post what they were thinking, rather than just endless spammy articles or the most basic political shit?
@@alexwr I think a better word would be alternative to Twitter. Your're right it has a feature set is similar feature set, but I think the differences are more important. The core features are similar, but the core ideas/goals couldn't be more different.
People won't leave twitter because they're already comfortable with the site and they've developed an addiction to it because people(Like myself) are morons
I left. Letting scammers and trolls buy influence with the blue check was what killed it for me. I may pop back in if I'm ever curious what fascists think about the news of the day, but lets be honest, there aren't many surprises coming from that crowd.
@@RobertDraneare the fascists in the room with us now?
@@Distress. did they taste good?
Those things have been messed with though. I'd say the biggest mistep was the rate limits and pay walling features. People would rather just open another app that let's them scroll for hours uninterrupted such as Instagram or tiktok
@@RobertDrane And thus, nothing of value was lost.
_Not so fun when we are in charge, huh goober?_
I thought, "well, buying Twitter on loan for 44 billion is stupid on almost every level, but it's Elon so he must have some plan to fix twitter and get the money back."
He had no plan.
I’m trying think of what can replace twitter…. But I can’t come up with any answer…. I’ll just put an X there for now!
I don't want anything to replace Twitter, I don't want Twitter or anything like it to exist ever again, especially when the majority of the userbase are ai chatbot accounts designed to rage farm!
I use it mostly for the art community and gaming news. The art communities do very well for the site and it's a great way to communicate and find artists. Totes not leaving, but most def looking to make an account somewhere else, JIC.
BTW, all social media, blogging sites, artboards, and forums are all considered terrible. But social media becomes that way if your interests are on discourse like politics, which it does try to steer users towards it. "When do we shoot the _____" was literally one of the first 10 tweets on my feed because I watch the Jimquisition
I mostly left twitter for mastodon. I liked it a lot more because it’s a more chill experience for me. I don’t think the site is much of a twitter killer, but I don’t think it’s trying to be that.
There's also the aspect of federation. It'll take time, but platforms like mastodon (and firefish, and lemmy, and pixelfed...) which inter-operate via activitypub, bring with them the possibility that if we can get over that threshold of getting people onto the fediverse, we'll never have to deal with the "we wont leave for something better because this is where the people we want to interact with are" problem ever again. New platforms can get phased in, user by user, with much less friction in-between.
Can you call out "the chosen ones" on there?
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx who are those?
@@quazar-omega The Christ killers.
Can anything can replace RUclips???????????
Daily Motion?
Maybe tiktok, but YT will always be around.
Qibi
Obviously KissCartoon
VK has biggest amount of p-rn out of all social networks
Calling it now, Twitter's the new myspace. Bluesky becomes the Tumblr to Twitter's Reddit, and Threads has already kinda fizzled once people realized your aunt could keep tabs on ya :/
What 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Where will twitter users Migrate to now?
Get it? Twitter? Birds? Migrate? No? One asked?
I honestly don't understand what this means
@@makito106 The "Bluesky becomes the Tumblr to Twitter's Reddit" is bugging me a lot. That in particular is very confusing for me.
@@makito106 When Digg got overtaken by Reddit back in the day, a lot of its users migrated to Tumblr. Tumblr is often the nicer, more welcoming social media site, which is likely what Bluesky is going to be.
Twitter becomes Myspace (after the rise of Facebook) in that it's still alive, but no one relevant goes there. You can still go to Myspace to this day, but does anybody do it that's important or relevant? No.
@@ZelphTheWebmancer Glad I wasn't the only one
Yeah I'm in that boat of probably not leaving Twitter unless the site itself disappears. I'm not a Musk fanatic or even a Twitter fanatic, but it is the one place I managed to get some kind of following with my art, meager by comparison though it may be. The biggest problem a sudden mass migration poses for people such as myself who rely on the social media of their choosing to get work is this: Yeah, I might eventually get the follower count up there again on Mastodon/Hive/Bluesky/Threads, but in the meantime, you might be well asking me to go hungry while people rediscover me.
Honestly the only Twitter Killer is... To just leave Twitter.
Why do we always need an alternative? Twitter was always a dumpster on fire. Not because of the idea or the policy.
It's because of the people there. Move everyone to Threads and you will lit that dumpster on fire as well.
We're all so addicted to social media and the FOMO surrounding it, that we totally forget that it sucks. I know it doesn't apply to everyone but I feel like a lot of people aren't enjoying it anyways - and with it I mean everything including Twitter and Instagram.
I quit Instagram because it was so time consuming. I thought that now I'll miss what all my friends are doing and that I'll be left out... It was so hard to finally delete the app. And honestly? I feel so much better. I never gave a fuck what other people were doing or eating on Insta. I don't give a fuck what some stupid conservative in Texas thinks about abortion on Twitter. Honestly the only "enjoyable" interactions I have are on RUclips - because no one ever cares enough to reply.
Maybe that will inspire some people to move forward. If you think it sucks: Leave. No one forces you to be on any site. It won't get better and there's enough good content elsewhere.
Or in other words: Actually go touch some grass
bro, if there's no alternative, then people will just stick with twitter, while the investors still making money off their bs, it shouldn't be explained to you
Seconded, staying off social media is great. But main reason for twitter thriving is most people get their news first on twitter. And the trending is a voice to achieve something, which has in many instances
It was a fire by design. The format of the site is expressly intended to make in-depth conversation impossible. It's not a site for discussion - you can't have a discussion there. The post length is kept deliberately too short for that, and there's no proper threading mechanism. It's a site for throwing out a couple of sentences of witty comment and getting approval from people who like the sound of it.
@@vylbird8014 Yup, very well said. It's meant for short hot takes, not actual opinion or debate. When I was on the site, I _always_ ended up having to do 2 tweets when I replied to people due to the character limit.
Here's my rule: large problems require nuanced views, and if you have a very nuanced view of a large problem, then it's impossible to express it in 280 characters or less. (Which is an ironic rule, since it's 155 characters.)
@@ratedr7845 bro my second sentence is "we don't need an alternative". People need to change their mindset. You don't need an alternative for everything. If you for example quit your gym membership, you're not always looking for the next sport to do. Sometimes people just stop doing things. It's normal.
And yeah.. if you have an alternative you give your money to a less shitty investor. There's plenty of things to do that give people joy. Twitter isn't that. So why bother?
One thing that will definitely kill twitter is mistreating the artists. The only two function Twitter has is Art and Politics. As addictive as Politics is, it gets tiresome quick and only crazy people would participate in it. Twitter has the advantage of being an art platform that isn't as restrictive as Instagram while providing a place where Artists and their fans can hang out easily. After Musk's Twitter Blue fiasco, art community has grown sour since it does prioritize people paid for Twitter Blue, and artists are known for having not much money.
Is twitter even a thing outside the US? The only thing I had heard about twitter before Musk took over is that it was a place celebrities used to post instead of facebook.
If Elon were to attempt a sale, 1. would anyone buy it, 2. for what cost, 3. when it would inevitably sell for a massive, loss, how would he repay those Saudi oligarchs he borrowed the money from?
1. No. 2. More likely bankruptcy 3. Saudi-Arabia, at any time, has 10 megaprojects going that will fail and fizzle out with little to no return. The Jeddah tower, the cube, the line, the financial city, the war in Yemen/Syria/Libya, Hyperloop/flying cars/high speed trains, non-religious tourism, trying to get FIFA/WWE/NBA/F1 Grand Prix, giant mall-hotel in Mecca etc etc
@@a.bastianwiik5592They're desperately trying to become the tourist capital of the world as oil demand keeps getting smaller and smaller
Saudi oligarchs are shareholders not lenders
8:22 This is literally what I have always said, people on Twitter hate Facebook simply because is the only social media their parents know how to use, and like, why is it so common for people to talk about alt accounts to not to be horny on main but have never thought of making an alternate fb account to not to be shitposter near your family? Like, you don't have to add your family in your account named Megatron Dalolplayer.
You can shitpost on fb as long as you don't add the forbidden words, which are whatever the hell Zuck feels like banning that minute.
I think X is going to have a Tumblr ending - not quite dead yet not really alive and definitely not relevant anymore.
it's going to drag for years until it's core followers will move on
honestly part of the reason i went to tumblr a month ago and essentially ghosted my twitter account was because tumblr is the closest thing to what twitter was. And it still has a userbase too. People hear Tumblr and immediately thing 2015 era, where people were before they moved to twitter. But we're almost a decade later and it's become a nicer experience, they put less disagreeable stuff on your feed, generally it's somewhat more palatable.
Yes Tumblr is a whole lot nicer now then it was back than, *but* I've noticed more rude people being angry and complaining and trying to start fights recently, now that a lot of people moved to Tumblr from Twitter.
And most of those angry complainers tend to be newer blogs with hardly anything on it.
Now of course those people could be long time users who keep getting their accounts deleted, but I doubt all of them are.
Tbh the weird tribalism around "moving" between platforms was always weird to me. I've been using Tumblr for 11 years and had a Twitter since 2007, I've used both on an off all that time. Stopped using Facebook altogether (and deleted) not long after Cambridge Analytica. Now stopped using Twitter.
Maybe I'm just getting older but the internet has always been ever changing to me, sticking to one singular social media platform and making it a personality trait is utterly bizarre.
I agree on Tumblr though it's the one thing I still use frequently as I've curated who I follow so its mostly just funny shit with some minor political stuff. But if Tumblr died tomorrow I wouldn't really care, there's more to life than social media.
IIRC, first there was a move from DA to tumblr once the site took off. Then everyone left tumblr after the NSFW mass flagging to Twitter. Now it comes full circle where everyone on DA and Twitter are moving to Tumblr.
I am an outlier. I finally left twitter and I don't miss the platform but the friends and users I've met; as you said. Two accounts over 14 years. Gone.
The reason none of the twitter "clones" ever succeed is because they're NOT clones at all, they're completely different beasts. Most don't even have a website!
I just wish the Internet was like it was in 2010ish. People had their own websites because they _wanted to have one._ There was a barrier to entry, which led to more interesting stuff and less ragebaiting. You _browsed_ the Internet, you weren't just fed a list of "recommendations" that algorithm predicts will get you to stay on sites so that they can feed you more ads.
I really hope that people start moving away from social media in general. The only social media site I use is RUclips, and I'm aggressive about making sure my time on the site is driven by me and not by recommendations it makes. (I have a userscript that makes my home page redirect to my subscriptions, I block the sidebar of recommended videos plus all the recommendations after credits roll, and I have _all_ notifications disabled.)
To paraphrase a famous mathematician (best known for his other work), "social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
- implying mastodon just appeared and disappeared
- me on three different instances (ok, one mastodon, one akkoma, and another firefish) with over a hundred follows and following
- with people that are there because they actually want and are there to form connections, not fighting for "number go up"
- the moderators are actual people also using the place I can casually message at any moment and are very transparent about all management actions
- been having a good time for over a year
- yup, seems pretty dead to me
You forgot to ask the most important question: Do we need to have something replace twitter?
i mean if you don't want the political idiots to just go elsewhere and have them flood reddit/4chan/elsewhere, than yes.
idiots don't go away with websites they just kind of move
With the way Musk is handling it, I think we do.
Those Twitter bird photos are truly something.
"Oh no, guys! They replaced Twitter logo with X, they killed our precious site! 😭 How could they?"
That half second snapshot of Squidward blowing souffle bubbles to describe twitter... i have no words besides perfect
The first five days of Threads were great. Then in droves the journalists, the political commentators, and the politicians came. At first I had randos in my feed, which I loved. I could even tolerate celebrities and brands. But now I've uninstalled it. They're adding Twitter-like features, but I never used Twitter so idc enough to re-download.
Remember folks, this is The Twilight Zone that we're living in, more specifically "The Obsolete Man", where physical media is viewed as "obsolete" and all the information is just stored in webs which is easier to change or delete to its site's wish.
Personally, I wish social media never exists.
Same. I've started archiving anything I care about since it's the only way that I can guarantee I'll be able to access it in the future. Movies, TV, music, ebooks, RUclips channels, subreddits, etc.
I think that threads has a decent chance, but something tell me they would have to be substantially better than Twitter was even Pre-Musk to really take the crown
Love the vague psychedelic energy on the editing v nice
I left Twitter for a while because they screwed me over and it's pretty useless. Now I'm on there only to keep up with Beam and post about it occasionally. If it wasn't for that I would leave again because I don't follow anybody because of the thing you said in the video. It's designed to make you angry, most everyone retweets and posts horrendous things "Look what this awful person did shame her! Look at that horrible thing! Isn't that awful?" and I don't really care about my followers at all. Sure it helps if they see what I tweet and I want people to see it but that's it. If anything it makes me kinda feel like they might be watching whatever I like or do on there. It's a dumb website but barely anyone know about beam so. It's a privacy centric crypto. If anything these videos make me mad that I have an account on there
No one has even mentioned the fact that if Twitters name changes to X, people typing X into search engines is going to bring up lots of porn...
I left Twitter out of spite and still hold on to Threads. Somehow even dead it has more going on than the best days of Mastodon.
I'm also holding on to Threads, most toxic apes are staying on Twitter, so I don't really mind the lack of content on Threads for now. Quality > Quantity.
I'm wondering why he kept saying Threads isn't a replacement; because of immediate lack of volume? Literally no argument, just a claim. I was really hoping for any kind of solid argument with that.
You don't WIN in Big Tech, you just last long enough for the competition to SCREW UP so hard they implode. The Console Wars, The Streaming Wars, and now Social Media.
Mastadon and Hive tried to “replace” Twitter last year. Both failed. Maybe Twitter won’t be replaced and that toxic form of communication will just go away.
That would be the best possible outcome.
Paid $44 billion to own a verb and promptly gave it up to own a stupid X
been thinking all of this for a long time and i'm happy that it's in video form now. you can honestly just tell that twitter won't die because people keep signing up for alternatives but they just let those accounts rot waiting for the site to boom so everyone goes on and now they have a reason to go on there, which is just not going to happen. this is honestly what's happening with bluesky right now, i thought that because it's made by people responsible for twitter (i think??) it might actually have a chance but it'll probably just rot, people just share their @s for bluesky just in case and that's it.
also really like the analysis of how generations split up to different social medias, it's so common for people around my age to just straight up think facebook is dead but that's just because we're not on there anymore, but it still has it uses for older people and families and whatever else. it's weird to think about how that may be how twitter ends up in a couple years. it could also mean that it's possible that every generation will have its own hip and cool social media and that'd be funny to see
Except I don't really know many people who use twitter. None of my friends nearly 30, none of my early 20's friends, no one.
Scratch that, I know exactly 3 people who use twitter, and they're all furries who are pretty open about the fact that they use it for porn. Two of them have also expressed interest in switching to blue sky, but mentioned they needed an invite code. I barely use youtube, and scroll through reddit once or twice a week, and have snapchat for keeping in touch with a couple of people. I dont know how people put this much effort into "needing" social media
@@AnArmoredMarch it becomes a "need" when you get sucked up into it which you and the people you know havent
it can kinda be an actual need once you become a personality online and you want to promote yourself or whatever else
@@user-bkey becoming an online personality isnt inevitable, nor does it make money on most sites. People will do just about anything to justify having something small like 1-10k followers lol. Sorry, you ain't shit, now fuck off and come have a beer with the rest of the world instead of getting rage baited 24/7. It isnt important, and it never will be. Twitter is a shitty early warning system, a shitty form of social media, a shitty way to stay in touch with people's actual lives, and probably the least fun way to destroy your mental health
i could see twitter changing into more of an art app as its really best for that. its algorithm is better than deviantart's, its got a ok sized follower base, and its quick scrolling is great for getting through what you don't want to see and liking/saving what you do.
literally where else does art stuff as good as twitter without being really disgusting at times???
0:26 morph was so clean..your editor was cooking
Peace, tranquility, sanity…all replace Twitter. Just unplug.
In the early days of the Internet, we didn't have platforms like Twitter - we had distributed systems based on open protocols like SMTP, NNTP, and IRC. No one company controlled the service - you accessed the content through an independent provider (usually your ISP) whose servers exchanged messages with all the other independent providers' servers. (The irony is, modern platforms use similar protocols behind the scenes - Netflix installs their own servers inside your ISP, and those servers exchange videos with other Netflix servers.)
In an ideal world, Twitter (and RUclips, etc) would be replaced with open protocols. Your ISP (or an independent provider of your choice) would provide servers that exchange messages (or even videos) with other independent providers' servers.
Ending song is "e1m1 frasier enters" by Whismu, for those looking
I wonder if it might actually better that Twitter keeps existing but in a less accessible way and with its userbase stagnating. That means its potential for harm would be reduced.
my phone screen is malfunctioning and has turned pink
somehow that has improved the experience of watching this video
reddit was the real surprise to me, all the communities I used to frequent are pretty much dead.
reddit communities trying to decide whether to turn into a toxic wasteland or die out completely
for real though i notice the only subreddits that don't slowly degrade into either being banned, becoming political echo chambers or a million other calamities is gaming/tech subs. having another auxiliary community to back up a sub into relavance and out of stagnation really helps i guess.
Yeah, the only way Twitter would die is from a Tumblr-style exodus.
My money is on Threads being the eventual Twitter/X killer. Not only because Meta is thinking long term about how to be a better Twitter than the now Chernobyl Exclusion Zone that is X, but also hiring the very people Musk fired when he initially took over.
That, and because Musk is rushing the process of adding multiple features without testing, and will inevitably blow up in his face due to how poorly those features are made (there are plans to make a stock trade feature on the website. Anyone who had experience with Robin Hood would probably know this is a terrible idea)
Why are the Sempsins pink!!??
Enjoy anything while it lasts, our time is always such a fleeting thing.
I think the biggest weakness of threads is that , there is no web version (as far as I know), I can only access it via my phone/device
Mastodon is doing better than it has ever done, how is it dead?
Threads is Twitter for Linkdin posters
When Musk started charging for TweetDeck access and limiting how many tweets you can view in a day, I (as one of that 10% of power users) bailed. Last time I looked at the website, actual child porn was trending, so, it's basically 4chan now *shrug*
Musk openly unbanned a conservative conspiracy theorist user that posted child porn. The site isn’t doing well at all.
twitter in 2012: i pooped lolz
twitter in 2022: trump
twitter in 2032: whats that
Maybe I'm alone on this, however I never understood the point of twitter to begin with. To jot down and broadcast little thoughts and comments through out my day? Why not post on Facebook or Instagram? It might make sense for certain politicians however I think everyone else who has an account does it just because it's there. Someone is going to say "Oh you're not on twitter? Why not?"
I think people shifted from Facebook because everyone's moms and dads where on there. And it made it feel like less of the "cool place" to hangout.
My theory
@@TimTheHuman-br1nl There are all kinds of online platforms: TikTok, Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, etc. I've never met anyone with a twitter feed and the only people I have heard of who use twitter are Donald Trump and Anthony Weiner and they have now left as well.
Using a backup mic?
I’m a huge sports fan and I would say using Twitter (not calling it X) has helped me connect with other fans in my fanbases and outside them. My experience using the platform has made me appreciate sports more, as teams and leagues are constantly posting highlights soon after they happen. Great memes and comedy can come from these as well. The platform itself has gotten worse but as long as the platform still makes the experience of being a sports fan worthwhile, I’ll keep using it. I’m done making new social medias, so unless a true Twitter killer comes along, I’m sticking with what I have.
I hope you enjoy your life cultist
as a musician it's been very hard to find anything to help musicians, and now it's even harder.
Feels like the replacement of twitter, generationally, was Instagram. At least for the people I grew up around (mid twenties), and then it was replaced by tik tok
Its inherently extremally dificult to kill any social media platform. Imo since twitter hasnt died yet, it will stick around.
The possibility i find most likely is that it becomes too expensive to keep the website up and it gets closed.
I hope that it gets "replaced" by the days of having small forums for specific groups, but i know that another cesspool run by a tech company that everyone will grow to despise will replace it.
Dont think Twitter cant be replaced as geared to dumbest takes or bait to spark fights. Good thing it has going is trending similar to RUclips & as well keeping up with news before any where else.
No
Am probably a rare case where I went from being highly addicted to Twitter to deleting it at the height of that addiction. And the truth is that my life quality improved significantly. Missing all the dumpster fire made me less depressed, and my attention span improved so much that I've binged down a dozen books in only a few months thanks to it. None of my pre-existing friendships with the people I followed on twitter suffered either.
I left, but only because Twitter was already on its way out with me even before the acquisition. I also wasn't one of the diehard Twitteristas. I personally find Mastodon similar enough that it gives me my Twitter fix without actually being Twitter or having most of its problems. The things I used Twitter for could really be replicated on any platform with a similar format.
I left Twitter way before like you did, but if x works it might be an interesting time to come back.
@@slob5041 I mean, I have no intention of returning to X in its current form. If Musk sells the company and/or reintroduces content moderation, and the site is demonstrably proven to be less toxic, then maybe.
The final straw for twitter users is if Musk bans porn.
The question should be, should anything replace Twitter or is it better without it
I’ve literally never made a tweet or followed anyone on twitter, ig, Facebook, Snapchat etc etc I literally use Reddit for forums on games and text messages and RUclips, social media where you can view other people’s lives is such a plague on your mind .
44 bullion dollars...imagine how many mcnuggets you could buy...
The only stupid desiciton that Elon could do with Twitter is do what Tumblr did and ban NSFW stuff, and Treads don't allow NSFW stuff.
It's already being replaced; just because it's not happening instantly, doesn't mean it isn't happening at all. Too many people these days expect instant gratification with ZERO understanding of how the world actually works.
I always get knowledge from this channel
I think some of those blue birds give me nightmares 😂
I'm still *on* Twitter, but I don't engage as much anymore. Many of the people I was there to follow migrated elsewhere, so there just isn't as much for me to engage with. I do stay around, mostly just to watch Troy burn.
You're intro and outro music always slaps Good job man
I moved to mastodon in November and I really like it. It doesn’t have the inane drama that twitter had which I used to endure.
1:25 Masto is so far from dead, oh my dog. It's fairly small, but seriously nowhere near dead.
Interesting theory that these social media platforms just end up targeted to certain demographics
I love how Elon Musk admitted he spent double the actual worth of Twitter. It's a different kind of rich to be able to just throw away 22 billion casually
one thing IS for sure, if you are an artist at least, any place that claims to be a twitter killer that is ALSO one of those "by artists for artists" will pretty much fail on arrival. A platform made to address a specific niche of a wide platform misses the point why that niche is so prevalent on that wide platform anyway. For all its problems, twitter's algorithm and social aspects mesh well with the average artist. Every other platform thats specifically for artists is just a big community center filled with artists interacting and posting among one another without any sorta audience. Johnny bunch-o-numbers on twitter isn't gonna sign up for the hip new platform just to support the one artist that decided to migrate there
which is really sad to me because twitter is so garbage for viewing art, all you can do is just scroll through an artists media tab which will be filled with a bunch of other bullshit
also a community center for artists doesnt sound bad..
@@user-bkey a community center for artists isn't actually bad but as a means of being a "twitter killer" it sucks dick. A twitter killer needs to function like twitter and do better
and yea, for being decent for artists in terms of reach, sociability, and algorithm, its worse for artists in really necessary QoL areas like a functioning gallery and folder options
@@user-bkey i don't know what you are talking about its great for art. sure there are some political stuff on the side but i find the algorithm (even post elon) works well).
maybe i just am used to scrolling because i started with deviantart (which requires far more scrolling and looking through weird stuff than twitter) so my norm for dealing with random junk is higher.
yep, the only other alternative is deviantart, which has a penchant for showing weird fetish stuff even on SFW account settings, DA is sorta weird like that. twitter will survive in some capacity as long as it doesn't actively discourage artists (both normal and NSFW types) from staying.
Thank you for talking more about the twitter sitch
That AI bird is terrifying.
It's so perfect though 😂
Imagine calling magic mushroom and LSD use "addictions"
Wouldn't be surprised if Thread and Instagram get's combined into one app