The Law says take the kick within 90 seconds. The law should be changed - 60 seconds maybe - but better still - stop the clock. It would not dent TV time as much as other delays (TMO, injuries).
It's in the spirit of the game because he is allowed 90 seconds to take the kick. It's in his advantage to take full advantage of the 90 seconds available to him.
The 90 seconds isn’t designed to waste time. So if players are using it to waste time then no 90 seconds for them. Should be 60 seconds from when the try is scored.
@@stevenmcalister826 The 90 seconds is to take the kick. They are allowed to take the full 90 seconds. It's not wasting time because this time has been designated to kicking.
@@arandombard1197 And it clearly isn’t being used for preparation for the kick. It’s being used to waste time, which is not what it’s for. So you don’t get 90 seconds, you get 60, take it or leave it. Same reasons scrums should be sped up to stop people deliberately collapsing during the last few minutes of a game.
@@stevenmcalister826 Except you get 90 seconds, not 60 seconds. This isnt' a discussion about rules changes, personally I don't give a fuck. It's about whether it's okay to spend the 90 seconds allocated to kicking to kick, the answer of which is yes.
@@arandombard1197 Then we’re talking about two different things. It shouldn’t be 90 seconds, it may be 90 seconds now, but it shouldn’t be. And no it’s not ok to spend 90 seconds kicking, you only get 60 for a penalty kick, why is a conversion different? It should take the same amount of time if not less.
Pienaars not in the wrong, its the people who make the laws. Ref should be able to reasonably tell them to kick it if they're taking ridiculous amount of time
Low Powered Training Round Matthews I think it’s a bit of both. If that was on the sideline that’s almost a reasonable amount of time. But the fact that no matter how long he took there was still time for the kickoff is the bit that pisses me off. Like ffs just get on with it it is very very unlikely that the time you take will affect the result.
He should have missed the kick on purpose. Would have had another kick at goal after the Clermont players rushed in too early and could have taken another 90 seconds
Do the players get to see that countdown clock in the Top 14? I had noticed they show it on French TV but not in any other regions I have seen. I'd assume they must do for Pienaar to get that down to 4 seconds and it looks like it has a downside.
What on earth where the French thinking making this law?. The grassroots club level in New Zealand, the law is you have 35 seconds to spot and kick the ball
Red card them if deliberately go over time kick is void then,ref should b keeping eye on time anyway,or stop the clock which would b better,rugby getting like football every year sad.
@@MaxBarnish It is for a reason. That reason is to win the game. 'general' sportsmanship' is incredibly vague and subjective. By that same logic, deliberately kicking the ball out of play when you're ahead on points and the clock has hit 80:00 could be considered bad sportsmanship.
@@arandombard1197 ok maybe ref should let him take his time but stop the watch to ensure there's time for one more play for the opponents after? Just to ensure his negative play doesn't benefit his side?
The Law says take the kick within 90 seconds. The law should be changed - 60 seconds maybe - but better still - stop the clock. It would not dent TV time as much as other delays (TMO, injuries).
The clock should start as soon as the try is scored. This is pathetic.
It is
They should reduce this to 60 seconds, taking the piss.
Nope, set up and kick within 30 seconds.
If you can't kick with a heart rate, you should not be kicking.
60 seconds to take a piss?
It's in the spirit of the game because he is allowed 90 seconds to take the kick. It's in his advantage to take full advantage of the 90 seconds available to him.
The 90 seconds isn’t designed to waste time. So if players are using it to waste time then no 90 seconds for them. Should be 60 seconds from when the try is scored.
@@stevenmcalister826 The 90 seconds is to take the kick. They are allowed to take the full 90 seconds. It's not wasting time because this time has been designated to kicking.
@@arandombard1197 And it clearly isn’t being used for preparation for the kick. It’s being used to waste time, which is not what it’s for. So you don’t get 90 seconds, you get 60, take it or leave it.
Same reasons scrums should be sped up to stop people deliberately collapsing during the last few minutes of a game.
@@stevenmcalister826 Except you get 90 seconds, not 60 seconds. This isnt' a discussion about rules changes, personally I don't give a fuck. It's about whether it's okay to spend the 90 seconds allocated to kicking to kick, the answer of which is yes.
@@arandombard1197 Then we’re talking about two different things. It shouldn’t be 90 seconds, it may be 90 seconds now, but it shouldn’t be.
And no it’s not ok to spend 90 seconds kicking, you only get 60 for a penalty kick, why is a conversion different? It should take the same amount of time if not less.
that's not rugby, thats football behavior
Pienaars not in the wrong, its the people who make the laws. Ref should be able to reasonably tell them to kick it if they're taking ridiculous amount of time
Low Powered Training Round Matthews I think it’s a bit of both. If that was on the sideline that’s almost a reasonable amount of time. But the fact that no matter how long he took there was still time for the kickoff is the bit that pisses me off. Like ffs just get on with it it is very very unlikely that the time you take will affect the result.
He should have missed the kick on purpose. Would have had another kick at goal after the Clermont players rushed in too early and could have taken another 90 seconds
lmao, you're my kind of person
Do the players get to see that countdown clock in the Top 14? I had noticed they show it on French TV but not in any other regions I have seen. I'd assume they must do for Pienaar to get that down to 4 seconds and it looks like it has a downside.
Gareth Jones yes,you can clearly see it's in the corner of the advertising hoardings
Gareth Jones that's what I thought. How did he know the time?
strawberrykicker2 bloody stupid to show it like that
WELLBRAN in the video you can see the timer on the advertising hoardings, thats what he's watching
hagan13 yep..don't understand how the players should be given time of the match like that.
Fair play
What on earth where the French thinking making this law?. The grassroots club level in New Zealand, the law is you have 35 seconds to spot and kick the ball
What a joke.!! No respect.
Actually complete respect, the rules are the rules, not Pienaar’s problem
Red card them if deliberately go over time kick is void then,ref should b keeping eye on time anyway,or stop the clock which would b better,rugby getting like football every year sad.
They're professional players. They do what they need to do to win.
I'd call yellow card unsportsmanlike behaviour and reverse penalty, but a brave call that would be
You can't do that, it is in the law. Although, 90 seconds is too much that's true
You'd be wrong. He has 90 seconds to make the kick. How can you punish him for following the rules?
@@arandombard1197 because it is clearly to waste time, not for any other reason. He is looking at clock. General sportsmanship takes precedence?
@@MaxBarnish It is for a reason. That reason is to win the game. 'general' sportsmanship' is incredibly vague and subjective. By that same logic, deliberately kicking the ball out of play when you're ahead on points and the clock has hit 80:00 could be considered bad sportsmanship.
@@arandombard1197 ok maybe ref should let him take his time but stop the watch to ensure there's time for one more play for the opponents after? Just to ensure his negative play doesn't benefit his side?
In any case, I'm not sure the referee should have disallowed that charge - looked fair to me.
MGoose66 he didn’t start his run up