I Bought a SUHR Modern Pro! - Just One Problem...It's a FAKE

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  • @DarrellBraunGuitar
    @DarrellBraunGuitar  3 года назад +271

    So what do you guys think I should I do with this guitar?
    Enjoy :)

    • @andredegiant3876
      @andredegiant3876 3 года назад +44

      Add a flamethrower and go Mad Max 🤘

    • @williamsatnan4380
      @williamsatnan4380 3 года назад +122

      Brand it fake on the back of the headstock and do a giveaway or just keep it if its worth it.

    • @andrewbrandah8519
      @andrewbrandah8519 3 года назад +35

      @@williamsatnan4380 Just like what Phillip McKnight did. 👍

    • @romeleborda1557
      @romeleborda1557 3 года назад +6

      ill take it

    • @jaggerriffle8046
      @jaggerriffle8046 3 года назад +37

      Do a giveaway!

  • @ZenonasTziarras
    @ZenonasTziarras 3 года назад +173

    1. Fix it to your liking
    2. Replace the Suhr logo with a DBG logo
    3. Donate it
    4. Be suhr to make a video about it

    • @B1indB1ake13
      @B1indB1ake13 3 года назад +1

      Sure****

    • @marklowery8193
      @marklowery8193 3 года назад +17

      @@B1indB1ake13 r/swooosh

    • @grunge2012
      @grunge2012 3 года назад +3

      USUALLY ppl who say donate it never donate things themselves.

    • @ZenonasTziarras
      @ZenonasTziarras 3 года назад +5

      @@grunge2012 USUALLY ppl who think they know a lot, know very little.

    • @grunge2012
      @grunge2012 3 года назад +1

      @@ZenonasTziarras idk about your comment son, but mine is scientifically proven.

  • @fearisthemind-killer
    @fearisthemind-killer 3 года назад +447

    Definitely don't destroy it. I'm sure there is a kid in a school somewhere that would love to play that guitar. Scrub off the Suhr stuff, fix it up and donate it to your local elementary/middle school. Just a suggestion.

    • @karmaceutical3963
      @karmaceutical3963 3 года назад +28

      i really like that idea, fake guitar is taken off the market, people are informed on how to spot fakes via the video, then the local community gets what is probably a better instrument than what is currently at a given school

    • @dporrill
      @dporrill 3 года назад +15

      Second this idea - so many kids would like to have a nice guitar and this one is better than most, even if a fake. Get the name off, plop on a DBG logo, get the story inscribed on the electronics cover and then donate to a school.

    • @douglascampbell9809
      @douglascampbell9809 3 года назад +5

      Very good idea. Scrub off the fake Suhr markings and maybe wood brand it so it can't be camouflaged again.

    • @ccllvn
      @ccllvn 3 года назад +5

      No I would not scrape that off, it still looks cool and expensive to people who don't know

    • @OsbornIOW
      @OsbornIOW 3 года назад

      Best suggestion. :)

  • @redrock1963
    @redrock1963 3 года назад +111

    It stuns me that someone can produce a reasonable guitar in it's own right and then totally discredit it by deliberately making it a fake.
    Why not set out to make a reasonable guitar and market it for what it is.... a reasonable guitar.

    • @kenteel2944
      @kenteel2944 3 года назад +7

      You comment begs the question: how much did the original owner pay for the guitar ? If putting a fake name on the front ups the price that the manufacturers and/or middle men can sell the guitar for, then there is the answer to your question.

    • @redrock1963
      @redrock1963 3 года назад +3

      @@kenteel2944 - Possibly a fair call. My question, more rhetorical than real, was more concerned with the idea of pride of place in the market. That an otherwise reasonably produced guitar would not seek it's own place and recognition and hopefully gather a following of supporters in a middle price range - rather than being called out as a fake with all the negative vibe that goes along with that. Greco is a good example. Greco made reasonable quality guitars and used their own branding - they never tried to pretend they were Gibson. They are now sought after for their reasonable build qualities.

    • @_Only_Zuul
      @_Only_Zuul 3 года назад +1

      lol 😄 money is why 🙂

    • @eurostenners
      @eurostenners 3 года назад +9

      100s of hours spent on the perfect forgery and then they pick a random bridge out of the parts bin and say ' yeah, this'll do' haha.

    • @MrPhins
      @MrPhins 3 года назад +1

      Agreed. I don't know a lot about the manufacturing process/licensing etc. but it seems like, instead of banking on fooling a few people, they could have produced this for another legit company or their own brand and it would be well-received (although clearly not at the Suhr price but wouldn't the volume of sales make up for that?)

  • @edwardboot3431
    @edwardboot3431 3 года назад +54

    As a guitar player of 17 years, and someone who is getting into woodworking and has restored has also some antique guitars, I have to say the craftsmanship on this guitar is absolutely immaculate. That burst finish is incredible. The routing for the pickups is perfect. From seeing it in the video, the setup, neck, and fretwork are flawless. The imperfections you pointed out (the chipping around the neck screws and truss rod), hell you can find muck ups like that on Gibsons. This thing is insane for a forgery.
    One of you said it; this guitar, if they started their own brand and made something unique with this craftsmanship, you could easily stack it against Ibanez, ESP, and Schecter in the $700-1000 range. It's a shame so much attention to detail is put into a forgery. I'm going to guess in another 5-10 years (if it's not already happening now), there are going to be forgeries that are so good, that you won't be able to tell the difference anymore. If they're able to mimic things down to this level, they could easily pull it off. The people making these aren't stupid, and can easily access the internet to find videos like yours and figure out how to remove the clues. I think the only way this will end is (maybe) with the NFT market, linking guitars to a distinct, digital certificate of authenticity. It's starting to happen for other physical items in the world.
    Darrell, please do not destroy this guitar (if you haven't yet). That would be very wasteful. Despite being a forgery, it is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship that some very talented people put together. I know another channel out there that finds forgeries, and they etch into the back of the guitar "forgery", so there's an idea instead of wrecking the nice headstock logo (even though it's a fraud). I'm with others to donate this guitar. Especially during this pandemic. I'm sure there's some kids and teens out there that would absolutely love this thing, and buying a new guitar seems out of the question for them now. What an awesome first or even intermediate guitar this would be for someone. That is my two cents.

    • @jannestefanoobski3604
      @jannestefanoobski3604 3 года назад +2

      Nice lies

    • @monsterpopMusicFactory
      @monsterpopMusicFactory 2 года назад

      @@jannestefanoobski3604 eh?

    • @sonsauvage
      @sonsauvage Год назад

      Idk man. It’s not a bad guitar, but It looks fake from far away. Like, very

    • @RichardGarcia93
      @RichardGarcia93 Год назад

      @@jannestefanoobski3604Contrarian

    • @Breathemusic4202
      @Breathemusic4202 Год назад

      ....except they didn't really mimic anything due to the fact that this dude exposed so many errors....lol.....terrible job at trying to replicate a Suhr. I own 4 Suhrs, not even close bud.

  • @joshvandruff1790
    @joshvandruff1790 3 года назад +468

    Custom decal that says “NOSuhr”.

    • @TribalGuitars
      @TribalGuitars 3 года назад +6

      I had the same exact thought.

    • @dirkhennig2192
      @dirkhennig2192 3 года назад +10

      Or "Suhr Not"

    • @taitjohnson
      @taitjohnson 3 года назад +2

      Yes suhr that is an excellent idea....also that would make a beast of a modding platform

    • @weiliangsio9975
      @weiliangsio9975 3 года назад +2

      print the “like a sir” meme guy on the headstock

    • @JimFeeley
      @JimFeeley 3 года назад +2

      That's pretty funny!

  • @danteyoutu
    @danteyoutu 3 года назад +396

    I never understood how a “certificate of authenticity” is considered proof at all. If people can go this length to fake a whole guitar how can they not fake a little paper?

    • @sammyfromsydney
      @sammyfromsydney 3 года назад +6

      Yeah not worth the paper it's written on.

    • @danteyoutu
      @danteyoutu 3 года назад +4

      @Louis George White Jr so I think it would be fair to say that this fake Suhr guitar could have come with a COA and that should not be a reason to believe it's real.

    • @fabronaut7478
      @fabronaut7478 3 года назад +19

      if you're looking to buy used and someone provides the COA, which should associate with a specific serial number and build spec, you could likely contact Suhr and ask them if it is a legitimate guitar, cross referencing the details of how it is built against known serial numbers.
      guitars at Suhr's price point are generally built to order based on the options a customer requests, if you order directly from them. if I went to the very large instrument dealer near me and bought a Suhr from them, it would still have a COA and likely an associated spec sheet. even the standard options can have variants in colour, and almost certainly have markings internally, such as in the electronics cavities or in the neck pocket.
      they're not churning out thousands at a time, so those costs are built into the price of the instrument. I would certainly hope that for the insane money that the custom shops at Fender and Gibson charge, they would do something like that as well.
      personally, I need to spend probably three times as much as a Suhr on lessons and putting in a lot of practice to justify owning one... but if I could have any lower production guitar, Suhr's on the shortlist. Collings as well. when every single one you pick up is very good to great, you know you have a winner.

    • @willums4225
      @willums4225 3 года назад +5

      I think some certificates of authenticity are made on special stationery that isn't readily accessible. I am most likely 100% wrong though

    • @fabronaut7478
      @fabronaut7478 3 года назад +4

      @@willums4225 ah yes, I forgot about that! sometimes it'll be embossed, have watermarks, holographics, etc.
      now if only I had enough cash lying around for a Suhr to test that theory out... :)

  • @fenderdobro
    @fenderdobro 3 года назад +25

    Darrel, I’m so impressed with your honesty and integrity. Spending money to take a fake off the market and helping the guitar community
    At large by doing so.. Way to go man.

    • @PhillipBlanton
      @PhillipBlanton 3 года назад +2

      This video has 318k views on it. I'm sure it was a calculated expense that has paid dividends.

    • @jannestefanoobski3604
      @jannestefanoobski3604 3 года назад +2

      If he didnt have this channel he wouldn't buy that thing.
      The "help the guitar community" is a myth.
      Its all self gain.
      Its a win for him
      "I saw the fake guitar online so i buy it"
      No. He buy it because he needs content.
      He gets the guitar
      He gain views
      He gain subscribers
      He gain respect
      He gains money
      Easy for him
      Not the "helping guitar community so i buy it" no.
      🤦🏼‍♂️😂

    • @k.d.kelley2830
      @k.d.kelley2830 Год назад

      @@jannestefanoobski3604 That's all true, but the video is still informative and helps people to avoid buying a fake. But yeah, it was a bit of a virtue signaling video 😂

  • @PhillipBlanton
    @PhillipBlanton 3 года назад +1

    I usually skip over people's intros on their videos, but I always watch yours because I love seeing you chuck the guitar onto the top of your shed and then fall down in the snow.

  • @Jeff_____
    @Jeff_____ 3 года назад +393

    After you remove the false logo and made in USA, make repairs to get it playing properly and give it to an underprivileged kids music program.

    • @nevmayor4617
      @nevmayor4617 3 года назад +12

      Nice one Jeff!

    • @1badsteed
      @1badsteed 3 года назад +10

      Wife said same thing! Great idea

    • @lengazeley9857
      @lengazeley9857 3 года назад +3

      Also change the shape of the head stock to be Suhr, to be Suhr

    • @jak9990
      @jak9990 3 года назад +3

      Great idea! Awesome!

    • @piotrlesiakowski7794
      @piotrlesiakowski7794 3 года назад +7

      I second that. Moreover I would add some sort of non-removable mark (scorched or sth) so it won't be reSuhred again in the future.

  • @SomebodyMeOnceTold
    @SomebodyMeOnceTold 3 года назад +1432

    How to see if you have a fake Suhr: it won't stay in tune.
    How to see if you have a fake Gibson: it stays in tune.

  • @danh5150
    @danh5150 3 года назад +6

    Just a thought on what to do with the guitar:
    This seems like a great candidate for a repair demonstration. Since you know what the tuning problems are, you could do a video about how to rectify them. ;o)
    The bridge problem in particular is interesting. You could obviously do some woodwork by plugging and re-drilling the 'straight' knife side post, but you could also see if it's possible to do a little metal work on the bridge itself and leave the quilted maple unmarred. As for the nut, it would also be interesting to see a before and after intonation comparison with a compensated nut (such as Earvana).
    Either way, another great video!

  • @scottsmith6489
    @scottsmith6489 3 года назад +23

    Donate it to a high school music class! They would love you forever...

  • @stevenedwards4470
    @stevenedwards4470 3 года назад +108

    I'd fix what needs fixing and enjoy it. It doesn't need to be messed with.

    • @commentfreely5443
      @commentfreely5443 3 года назад +1

      i have 12 guitars - the best one is a chiense fake jem ibanez. plays like butter and makes me sound fantastic.
      now it is buggered cause i stripped the D screw. shop couldn't replace part so i think i'll have to find a luthier

  • @What_The_Heal
    @What_The_Heal 3 года назад +453

    Of course it's not a legit one. It doesn't have a Suhrtificate 😎

  • @gius-pe
    @gius-pe 3 года назад +44

    my take: rebrand it as "yeah, Suhr...", estimate the actual value + your time and send it back on the 2nd hand market... instruments need to be played, the poor thing holds no guilt for the forgery! :)

    • @Hey78216
      @Hey78216 3 года назад +1

      I agree with this. Just because it was intended as a forgery doesn't mean it should be destroyed. Toss a new bridge on it, take all the suhr markings off of it and give it away to someone who will appreciate it for just being a nice guitar.

    • @eurostenners
      @eurostenners 3 года назад +1

      Surely rebrand it as 'NO SUHR' haha

  • @alejandronavgar8798
    @alejandronavgar8798 3 года назад +40

    This is why lately I only buy authentic Harley Benton ... 😁😁

  • @HowardFrischer
    @HowardFrischer 3 года назад +453

    Give it to a needy kid that doesn't have much money...

    • @palusguitar
      @palusguitar 3 года назад +3

      I was thinking the same thing. Peace

    • @elmarg3958
      @elmarg3958 3 года назад +10

      I know one..

    • @geraldespinosa7888
      @geraldespinosa7888 3 года назад +10

      im that needy kid lmao!! i only have a used 110 dollar guitar which is considered quite pricy here in philippines lol

    • @erlikquadros5873
      @erlikquadros5873 3 года назад +1

      The guitar has to hold tune to be played.. lol

    • @iMatty_2
      @iMatty_2 3 года назад +9

      @@erlikquadros5873 Pretty sure fix it up first is heavily implied.

  • @nisterror
    @nisterror 3 года назад +209

    Darrell: These are the red flags that this is a fake guitar
    Scammers: frantically taking notes to build the next one

    • @drdrums1
      @drdrums1 3 года назад +36

      Thing is, scammers work by cutting corners enough to fool an unsuspecting buyer. If a scammer put in the time and effort to actually make it match on a quality basis, they would wind up spending about as much as the cost to make the real deal, so there wouldn't be much of a point.

    • @nisterror
      @nisterror 3 года назад +7

      @@drdrums1 dude... it was a joke

    • @rockdaddy2168
      @rockdaddy2168 3 года назад +9

      "It would not go over my head because I would catch it."

    • @chuckgamble5696
      @chuckgamble5696 3 года назад +7

      @@drdrums1 It's a joke and you're wrong. Cheap labor, low price

    • @RMartin631
      @RMartin631 3 года назад

      It will do them no good. I found a fake non-export Fender Jazz Aerodyne on Ebay a couple of days ago. Once you know what to look for, the fakes are easy to spot.

  • @butch3715
    @butch3715 Год назад

    Great info, thanks! It would be interesting to see you rebuild that guitar, just to see how close you could get it to the real thing.

  • @jayc2723
    @jayc2723 3 года назад +1

    There is also a gap of 2-3mm between the two back plates on mine. And it just feels amazing, everything about it is solid and flawless. Their attention to detail and QC standards are unbelievable.....and then I pick up my Gibson.

  • @jaybee755
    @jaybee755 3 года назад +131

    Darrell: You should do a build project with it and raffle it off. Give the proceeds to your favorite charity. I'll buy a few chances to win. Thanks as always for your genuine sincerity.

    • @glenngardin3561
      @glenngardin3561 3 года назад +2

      Great idea! Beat me to it!

    • @bleufishtv
      @bleufishtv 3 года назад +1

      That's actually an awesome idea.

    • @wiggles4490
      @wiggles4490 3 года назад +1

      Real good idea , I’m in too

    • @ricksanchezito8972
      @ricksanchezito8972 3 года назад +1

      Awesome idea!

    • @lueymeteora1410
      @lueymeteora1410 3 года назад

      Everyone who says 'Give it away' even to a charity, has missed the point.
      Darrell went some personal cost to get this con-job off the market. As long as this is one piece, it will be bought and sold for maximum prices.
      For generations this thing will rip people off, like it has a mind of its own. It will carve through untold numbers of people's goodwill for a hundred years... if Darrell can't Frodo-the-Fk-out-of-it !
      What will it be, Darrell-the-Baggins....?🤨

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 3 года назад +59

    Even if it's a fake, you still go through every detail and make for a great showcase! Always good work!

    • @Tomislav_B.
      @Tomislav_B. 3 года назад

      He missed the most obvious thing- shape of the neck at the neck joint. Look at the pictures of original, google "suhr modern pro neck joint"

  • @jannelarsson
    @jannelarsson 6 месяцев назад

    That was so good of you to bye it and take it of the market - im impressed. And its strange how things fall in place. Now three years after you posted this im looking for a new guitarr and stumbled over a Suhr witch i never heard of before . But since i watched your post i can visit the seller and have a good look at it without being a total noob

  • @joshuamichael4312
    @joshuamichael4312 3 года назад +9

    Imagine this guy was you neighbour and you had conversations with him over the fence, like on Tim the Toolman Taylor?!

  • @and3583
    @and3583 3 года назад +124

    Sad thing is, the guy that made that fake could make his own guitars and earn an honest living, still looks like its worth a grand of anyone's money

    • @Balin_James
      @Balin_James 3 года назад +16

      Right? One of the many reasons I never understood fakes of this level, or in general. If you have the know-how, make it your own brand!

    • @hjubris
      @hjubris 3 года назад +38

      @@Balin_James Let's say you can build guitars of this caliber - play good feel great, then you slap on your own brand CaptainCat 15. What do you think will happen? Customers will flock to your brand because "it's very high quality"? HELL NAH. Quality does NOT trump brand in real life.

    • @AdamPangFireCracker
      @AdamPangFireCracker 3 года назад +3

      @@hjubris THATS LIFE

    • @orryfishburne5326
      @orryfishburne5326 3 года назад +3

      Dude i think about that for every high quality counterfeit product. If your going through all that effort to make it, manufacturer it, then why not make your company and a name for yourself. That never made sense to me

    • @orryfishburne5326
      @orryfishburne5326 3 года назад +3

      @@hjubris very true. Im not disagreeing with your statement, but at the same time thats how every great company starts off for the most part. U make a high quality product, then the product speaks for itself and people want it. It takes time though and the people that are making high end counterfeits are trying to make a quick buck, they dont have the patience for their work to get out there. Its a shame.

  • @mikebri5274
    @mikebri5274 3 года назад +161

    Get it playing well and call it the "NoSuhr"

    • @northland..
      @northland.. 3 года назад +3

      that's a witty one..... good one.

    • @mikebri5274
      @mikebri5274 3 года назад +2

      DBG called this project NoSuhr. That's where I got it from. He should hire a graphic artist to make a "NoSuhr" logo in the same style as the original, sand down the headstock, put on the new logo, and clearcoat the headstock over the new logo.

    • @PastelComGini
      @PastelComGini 3 года назад

      I vote for "NoMa'am".

    • @foreseengust
      @foreseengust 3 года назад +1

      Great idea!

    • @philippechevrier1995
      @philippechevrier1995 3 года назад +2

      I'd say UnSuhr

  • @StingrayMk1
    @StingrayMk1 3 года назад

    Make it your new favourite! Go to town on it! Complete customization. No expense spared. I look forward to the video.

  • @charleswallace5818
    @charleswallace5818 3 года назад

    I spotted the string trees and truss rod cavity when you was showing how nice it was. Thanks for sharing
    Stay safe
    Be Blessed

  • @lewisbeeman
    @lewisbeeman 3 года назад +18

    Also, do not destroy that guitar. Take the decal off and put "DB Special" on it. Fix it up. Then rock it out.

  • @colingrobertson2782
    @colingrobertson2782 3 года назад

    From what you observed in your inspection, the trem block post misalignment has to be the biggest obstacle and I'm guessing you would replace the Wilkinson with something like the Fender six-screw block? Or maybe another aftermarket trem that fitted? Apart from that the mods seems simple. The Darrell Pro Custom is born!

  • @sharky6128
    @sharky6128 Год назад

    Hey Darrell, it's still a nice piece of art work so I'd love to see a rebuild video improving the trem and removing the logo and numbering.
    GREAT COMMUNITY SERVICE VIDEO !!! CHEERS AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. ID LOVE TO SEE YOUR STORE SOME DAY. :)

  • @gavinmonson6574
    @gavinmonson6574 3 года назад +10

    Ditch the Wilkinson trem, route for a good Floyd Rose trem and locking nut, put decent pickups in it, do a video on how to install stainless steel frets, and by all means, put "No" in front of Suhr instead of just wiping out the logo! Maybe burn "FORGERY" on the back.

  • @davidjohnson-fo7ze
    @davidjohnson-fo7ze 3 года назад +76

    Reading the comments reminds me why I never, ever , EVER, hang around other guitarists.

    • @rushfreak29
      @rushfreak29 3 года назад

      haha! so true

    • @DougHinVA
      @DougHinVA 3 года назад +5

      good point.... smart-ass and snarky guys are guys to steer clear of. Even successful pro players are not much fun to be around (Joe Walsh, Bruce Springsteen are 2 good examples).

    • @eurostenners
      @eurostenners 3 года назад

      @@DougHinVA I thought Joe Walsh was the bomb personality wise...and the Boss too. Did I read your comment wrong?

    • @eurostenners
      @eurostenners 3 года назад +5

      It is sad, but SOOOOO many guitarists are completely up their own arse. Comes with sitting in your bedroom for 11 hours a day for 10 years perhaps. One word to sum up A LOT of guitar players = 'cringe'.

    • @jimmywrangles
      @jimmywrangles 3 года назад +2

      Your loss.

  • @DaringDan
    @DaringDan 3 года назад

    That was great Darrell. I'd say mod it. The body is gorgeous. I'd love to hear how those pickups sound too.

  • @REBELSCL
    @REBELSCL 3 года назад +30

    When you removed the neck, you didn't mention it but that top looks like paper thin veneer......

    • @Andrew-ry7iw
      @Andrew-ry7iw 3 года назад +2

      Agreed, I suspect that it is a print

    • @tolvajakos
      @tolvajakos 3 года назад +3

      First thing I spotted. The quilt does not change as he moves the guitar around. It is totally static. Looks very fake to me although I am only looking at it through a phone.

    • @NickGerotto
      @NickGerotto 3 года назад

      Yeah definitely it looks at least a veneer. But I suspect it's a printing, too defined to stay still as he moves the guitar. Also with that grade of quilt you should be able to spot the wood figuring also on the natural binding, which in this case looks totally plain. A 7mm quilted top would be too expensive to fit a 800 dollars guitar

  • @iPat1962
    @iPat1962 3 года назад +80

    Looks like someone's put a SUHR decal on a Harley Benton.

    • @richardhinton4232
      @richardhinton4232 3 года назад +15

      Idk harley bentons are usually made better

    • @necurrence1776
      @necurrence1776 3 года назад +5

      Was thinking the same but as I watched all the issues with the fake my HB has none of them.

    • @martinkrauser4029
      @martinkrauser4029 3 года назад

      Also, the HB superstrats are made in Vietnam, not Korea.

    • @williamb4652
      @williamb4652 3 года назад +2

      Don’t get Darrell started on Harley Benton

    • @tommybowling6234
      @tommybowling6234 3 года назад +2

      You should donate it to someone who is less fortunate, would love to own and cherish it and cannot afford a decent guitar. Someone really wanting to learn how to play it and will help pass on the knowledge they have just learned on how to spot and expose a fake guitar to those who may have less knowledge of them and help take them off of the market! Someone like "ME" or someone else who fits the criteria of the points that I have recommended to the masses!!! My father used to all ways tell me before he passed away, boy you will never know till you ask, because bashful people miss out!!! Lol Rip-miss you pops!!!

  • @mattiagaleone7726
    @mattiagaleone7726 3 года назад +3

    The overal construction seems of a pretty decent quality, if not absolutely good. It's gorgeous indeed. I suggest you keep it and maybe upgrade its weak points.

  • @RikiNewtonMusicianSongwriter
    @RikiNewtonMusicianSongwriter 3 года назад

    Hi Darrell - thanx for the vid. You come over as a really nice 👍 guy and I absolutely love watching your channel - your help is also greatly appreciated too - nice one. Best wishes. Cheers 🥂

  • @1968Lawman
    @1968Lawman 3 года назад

    I've changed pickups and wiring on quite a few high-end, pre-owned guitars. Just pointing it out that I've found some of the larger brand names don't always come with great stock pickups and also don't come with the best wiring setups either. Same with amplifiers. I've found a couple boutique amp companies short-cutting on some of their (caps and resistors) internal components. I'm talking about guitars I purchased back a couple of decades ago- before the onslaught of counterfeits we're bombarded with today.

  • @foadrightnow5725
    @foadrightnow5725 3 года назад +29

    DO NOT DESTROY THE GUITAR! Mod it and make sure it will never be mistaken as a Suhr guitar and give it away! Win/win/win!

    • @nekot9274
      @nekot9274 3 года назад

      A fake have to be destroyed every time, this is the law.

    • @foadrightnow5725
      @foadrightnow5725 3 года назад

      @@nekot9274 - That's the law in Canada?

    • @nekot9274
      @nekot9274 3 года назад

      @@foadrightnow5725 Specificaly in canada, this is a crime to have such thing as a counterfait object. Here in switzerland it is the same, and in most country it is also the same...I mean this is basically a copyright infrigment, you can go to jail by just owning the guitar, regardless of you knowing it is or not a copy. Even handing it to the autority can create you some trouble because at one point, you make an illegal good enter your country...do the math. Maybe (and do not take this as an advice because I really do not know how it stand vs laws) you can remove every marks who identify it as a shur, but it will still be a copy that can fall under copyright infrigment.

  • @meatrocket1
    @meatrocket1 3 года назад +6

    The fret ends on a Suhr are are some of the best I’ve ever seen

  • @MrJsteed2009
    @MrJsteed2009 3 года назад

    Do a build! It’s pretty sweet already, but you could kick it up a notch pretty easily/cheaply! Anxious to see!

  • @tonyv.207
    @tonyv.207 3 года назад

    Love your Pedal effects display in the Background.

  • @oscarnr9998
    @oscarnr9998 3 года назад +16

    Make it play well, put the brand out and give it to someone who really needs it

  • @TikeMyson69
    @TikeMyson69 3 года назад +6

    Suhrlock Holmes solving another case of guitar mystery.

  • @troll3296
    @troll3296 3 года назад

    I did mod a brand new $2000 2020 Fender American Ultra. I used a new pickguard and replaced the ultra noiseless pickups with some Di Marzio area pickups and an active mid boost with a fishman battery spring claw cover. However, I kept the original pickguard in one piece so if I ever need i can put it back if I need.

  • @richardkelley1274
    @richardkelley1274 3 года назад +1

    Two thoughts. 1. How much would you sell it for after you fix its issues? 2. I would like to see an honest review of the GuitarFetish QuikPlug pickups. They are a means of swapping pickups which you have done reviews of other pickup swapping solutions.

  • @wombat6
    @wombat6 3 года назад +14

    By the time the guys who built this have fixed everything Darrell points out, their counterfeits will be good enough and expensive enough that John Suhr can hire them to build real ones xD

  • @johnwallace2319
    @johnwallace2319 3 года назад +88

    “Does it feel like a high-end guitar?”
    Well, with that advice I’ll have to go and complain that all the gibsons i’ve ever held are fakes, because they are just simply not high-end even though they be pricey

    • @aztechproductions5146
      @aztechproductions5146 3 года назад +6

      Yeah gibsons feel like cheap poopoo compared to a mid priced strat

    • @alexchai8833
      @alexchai8833 3 года назад +2

      Couldn't agree more ! My 1994 used American Standard Tele that I bought for 600 dollars stays in tune better, plays better and feels better than both of my buddies's brand new Gibsons. (A 2014 Gibson LP Studio Pro and a 2013 Gibson SG Deluxe)

    • @billmiller7138
      @billmiller7138 3 года назад +2

      Gibson solid bodies, even back in the 60s always felt clunky and looked cheap to me. Like they tried and missed. That said my 52 ES 175 is a great player, that's what Gibson was good at.

    • @danielkeene3852
      @danielkeene3852 3 года назад +3

      Worst guitar purchase I ever made was a Gibson. I'd rather buy a Korean knock-off of a Gibson, it'd probably be better quality.

    • @thejesusmechanic8177
      @thejesusmechanic8177 3 года назад

      @ihate names I play Teton too. I see your point, but I'm the opposite Gibson has never impressed me. Epiphone though, is totally fine price to performance is perfect. Again, in my opinion.

  • @fruchesi
    @fruchesi 3 года назад

    Nice video, man. Do a building project and adapt it to your guitar needs. If you end not happy with the results, you can always gift it, and someone could begin learning guitar

  • @bigjerry8259
    @bigjerry8259 3 года назад +3

    Build it, one heck of a start to make an amazing guitar. Get rid of all the forgery markings, I would even stamp made in Korea. If your still concerned stamp it fake copy. If it was mine I paint No Sir on the headstock.

  • @frankwalker8352
    @frankwalker8352 3 года назад +4

    Its actually really nice how the guy was honest

  • @HeadRoaster
    @HeadRoaster 3 года назад +3

    Darrel, that's a gorgeous instrument, legit or not. You should do a fast build project and give it to a needy kid for Christmas with like a cheap Harley Benton amp setup

  • @60sfoley
    @60sfoley 3 года назад

    Darrell, you should do a side by side with the equivalent real model and really show the difference... great video as always 🤘

  • @chrischristofis8501
    @chrischristofis8501 Год назад

    Just came across this, have watched a lot of of your videos, thank you for making them, you have helped a lot of people on their musical path, in the UK the fakes are around also, Gibson and Fender being the most faked. Having the knowledge and courage to tear down a guitar is essential, you have given us that, again thank you, i wouldnt now buy an expensive guitar without asking the seller to open the electronics cavity so i can have a look. have a great New Year Daryl

  • @sippy9387
    @sippy9387 3 года назад +9

    Haha him throwing the acoustic on the roof and falling in the snow made my day

  • @adamf.4823
    @adamf.4823 3 года назад +17

    Also, the "Made in USA" is laser-engraved on a real Suhr.

  • @nastyn81980
    @nastyn81980 3 года назад +2

    I saw a Chinese copy LP hanging in a guitar store the other day. It was immaculate in every way and I’d have never known if the shop owner hadn’t told me.

  • @DaveJavuify
    @DaveJavuify 3 года назад +1

    10:26 "Suhr-tenly not." I see what you did there 😂😂😂

  • @mgcnashville6615
    @mgcnashville6615 3 года назад +5

    One big thing you missed- all suhr guitars have quartersawn necks. This one did not. Dead giveaway. Along with the string trees. Also, a suhr has staggered tuners as well. Along with everything else you mentioned.

  • @tonylancaster1034
    @tonylancaster1034 3 года назад +37

    "And don't call me Surhly"

  • @DaveZnoise
    @DaveZnoise 3 года назад

    That neck joint is a giveaway. So are the tuners and bridge. I've not seen a Wilkinson on a Suhr myself.

  • @michaelcolemanuk
    @michaelcolemanuk 3 года назад

    Good point about after market mods, when you spend that much on a guitar, you should surely like/trust what it came with rather than change parts of it. But look at Gibson Custom Shops. A lot of people change out the pickups! (Sweeping generalisation)

  • @tamasbende9399
    @tamasbende9399 3 года назад +36

    I still want to know why he throws that guitar to the roof..

    • @deacondeschenes7508
      @deacondeschenes7508 3 года назад +16

      It’s from an older video. He was pretending to be really frustrated about playing an F chord.

    • @SherrillDarby
      @SherrillDarby 3 года назад +3

      Bleh Bruh complete frustration.

    • @tamasbende9399
      @tamasbende9399 3 года назад +3

      Thx guys

    • @beefnacos6258
      @beefnacos6258 3 года назад +1

      Because it's a piece of crap?

  • @evileep
    @evileep 3 года назад +30

    I got ripped off a few months back on a fake Glarry.

    • @DingoDIDeatmybaby
      @DingoDIDeatmybaby 3 года назад +3

      How?? Those things are already some of the cheapest available guitars. The profit margin for a fake must be like planck-length thin.

    • @REDW1NG94
      @REDW1NG94 3 года назад +1

      Who...why...that's crazy, not sure why anyone would copy a glarry lol. Sorry to hear that man

    • @moby4444
      @moby4444 3 года назад +15

      He's yanking your chain guys. That would be like counterfeiting one dollar bills by hand with a ballpoint pen. The "Whoosh" was the sound of the joke going right over your head!

    • @moby4444
      @moby4444 3 года назад +9

      You must be gratified by a few of your replies... like shooting fish in a barrel!

    • @Jester-Riddle
      @Jester-Riddle 3 года назад

      ... 🤔
      🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @johnriley8314
    @johnriley8314 3 года назад

    Great informative video Darrell...Thanks for all ya do man!!! Stay Safe

  • @MO-lk6wg
    @MO-lk6wg 3 года назад

    I have a preowned Suhr Pro with Floyd Rose. It comes with a build sheet with all of the spec for the order, it doesn't have a certificate. It also doesn't come standard with a hard shell case.

  • @carlosroubert8646
    @carlosroubert8646 3 года назад +18

    Not PRS, even the $2,000 price-tag guitars comes with a “gig bag”

    • @adamskold6395
      @adamskold6395 3 года назад +4

      Yeah, it's shameful really. There's already a huge markup on PRS and other big brand guitars so the least they could do is include a case which costs them next to nothing in the first place. Most other companies do though, I'm don't think I've heard of a Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. not having a hardcase in that price range.

    • @lloydjames1787
      @lloydjames1787 3 года назад

      Same for Caparison

  • @timtwotone3561
    @timtwotone3561 3 года назад +6

    Very difficult to have a trem setup floating, with no strings on it.

  • @erniesmusic27
    @erniesmusic27 3 года назад

    As a project suggestion, you should mod it with Suhr pickups so it's closer to the real deal and create a new logo of course!!! Good day Darrell!!!

  • @daleantoniuk3291
    @daleantoniuk3291 3 года назад

    You can get Suhr guitars with nickel or stainless frets.
    The only Suhr that has a Wilkinson trem is the Pete Thorn model but it also comes with locking saddles.
    Also the 3 way switch is typically going to be a 5 way switch on this model.
    : )

  • @CommercialForest
    @CommercialForest 3 года назад +13

    Korean made + Fantastic attention to small details....🤔 wasn’t Suhr’s Discontinued import line Rasmus made in Korea???

  • @blythea.wolfgang2702
    @blythea.wolfgang2702 3 года назад +10

    I feel like I'm the only one that noticed that the quilt just looks like a photo because it doesn't move when he moves it

    • @merovingian
      @merovingian 3 года назад

      when he takes off the neck, if you look at the neck pocket it's pretty obvious that there isn't a real wood cap on it either. It looks similar to one of those "foto-flame" guitars that Fender Japan made in the 1990s.

    • @tolvajakos
      @tolvajakos 3 года назад

      That should be the nber one giveaway. I was waiting for him to point that out.

  • @MetalLizardJesus
    @MetalLizardJesus 3 года назад

    Literally the second I saw that Truss rod cover (and you trying to hide it with DoF for the first half of the video) I knew that wasn't a Suhr!

  • @briantaylor2.023
    @briantaylor2.023 3 года назад

    You do great work! Keep up the amazing vids! 🙌

  • @loosingparts6159
    @loosingparts6159 3 года назад +13

    I had to inform an eBayer that the 10th anniversary Jem they were selling was a fake. He didn’t know and relisted it as such. I felt like I was telling someone their spouse was cheating.

  • @kilalawak70
    @kilalawak70 3 года назад +8

    Forger: makes noticeable fake stuff.
    *gives them a COA to fake*
    Forger: this is out of my expertise.

  • @fiberplz
    @fiberplz 3 года назад

    The trem is dive-only at the moment because you have the strings off the guitar. You should check the block placement with it tuned.

  • @rickyman2307
    @rickyman2307 3 года назад

    Hi Darren great show and entertaining as always. Once the name is removed from the headstock and tremolo bridge is adjusted.
    I guess it depends how much you paid for the guitar? and if you could afford to do this but it would be a nice gesture to present this guitar to some needing musician who has very little money or contribute the guitar to a music school somewhere in Canada who would appreciate the guitar.

  • @johnro6659
    @johnro6659 3 года назад +7

    I would keep it, do away with the counterfeit branding and fix the couple issues. It seems like a very well built guitar that just needs a little TLC.

  • @RandomGuyDan
    @RandomGuyDan 3 года назад +10

    No reason to destroy a perfectly good guitar when it is so easy to remove the fake logos.

  •  3 года назад

    The nut is also not flat across the board. It doesn't matter that the string grooves will be different depth across the nut is still supposed to be equally as high all the way across the fret board.

  • @BLBlackDragon
    @BLBlackDragon 3 года назад

    While not the highest of quality, it looks like it would make a nice starting platform. You should use it for a build.

  • @lucasalessi6271
    @lucasalessi6271 3 года назад +101

    Man is so canadian he gets scammed and its happy it wasnt someone else

    • @dannyt2885
      @dannyt2885 3 года назад +16

      40 people didn't hear Darrell tell us the guy he got it from told him it was a fake. Darrell took it off the market so no one else would buy it and screw the next guy.

    • @VideoServicesVB
      @VideoServicesVB 3 года назад +14

      He wasn't scammed. He knew what he was buying. Didn't you see the video? It's in english......

    • @brandonanderson2066
      @brandonanderson2066 3 года назад

      Hahaha

  • @fagyu7502
    @fagyu7502 3 года назад +13

    I mean it's still a very good guitar maybe the guy who built it should make customs and he could still make a living without screwing ppl over

  • @Roderick226
    @Roderick226 3 года назад

    In addition to removing the name, serial #, etc, should you do something such that it cannot be re-worked as a fake again?

  • @robertclinger7351
    @robertclinger7351 3 года назад

    Thanks! Very informative. Many things I did not know about Suhr.

  • @p.s8950
    @p.s8950 3 года назад +3

    I once bought a vintage Vox guitar. Turned out it was counterfeit. But it eventually became worth more as a fake than the real deal and the Counterfeit ones developed a following. Who knew ?

  • @michaelg9188
    @michaelg9188 3 года назад +12

    Build project!!! why let a decently built guitar go to waste

  • @bradydotson5705
    @bradydotson5705 3 года назад +1

    Build it. I want to hear it played. BTW how much did you spend on it?

  • @slowmotionbeat4858
    @slowmotionbeat4858 3 года назад

    You had a pretty honest salesman :D We have so many brands in the market and I had no idea that they are such good copies of them. Thanks for your informative videos.

  • @DBSG1976
    @DBSG1976 3 года назад +5

    I'm really impressed with the original seller, like you said he could have seriously scammed someone. Fascinating video, especially showing potential buyers what to look for. Side note: 70th Anniversary Surf Green Esquire...want it, bad, have you played one?

  • @timothyandrews5975
    @timothyandrews5975 3 года назад +5

    The guys who made this guitar: Thanks Darell for the pointers because we're gonna make fakes which are not distinguishable 😈😂

  • @hannahpumpkins4359
    @hannahpumpkins4359 3 года назад

    It's pretty good quality - I would definitely do a build project on it!

  • @mrz80
    @mrz80 3 года назад

    I'm thinking the problem with the bridge isn't that it's the wrong size, it's just that the post on the treble side was just installed in the wrong place. Plug the hole and move that post over ~1/8" and problem solved.

  • @mikehurley5052
    @mikehurley5052 3 года назад +9

    I would just remove the logo, replace the bridge with a hardtail, sort the nut and enjoy it. That is a gorgeous looking guitar.

  • @vanshankguitars
    @vanshankguitars 3 года назад +7

    Get it up to snuff and rebrand it "DBG Sir!"

  • @1981FlyingV
    @1981FlyingV 3 года назад

    You should have the post on the bridge relocated to match the bridge and put some really good pickups in it.

  • @PierceThirlen2
    @PierceThirlen2 3 года назад

    FYI, when I bought my '72 ES-335 in '73, in less than 4 hours after I bought it I already had the pickups and wiring out of the guitar and was doing some serious modding to the pickups and wiring. The tone pots were replaced with rotary tone switches. As I needed set screw knobs for the rotary switches, I replaced all four of the Gibson witch hat knobs with Fender witch hat knobs. Less than a week later I replaced the tuners with Grover Rotomatics. I eventually replaced with Tune-O-Matic bridge with a harmonica bridge. The crap electronics that Gibson puts in their guitars in NOT sacred.