Definitely don't destroy it. I'm sure there is a kid in a school somewhere that would love to play that guitar. Scrub off the Suhr stuff, fix it up and donate it to your local elementary/middle school. Just a suggestion.
i really like that idea, fake guitar is taken off the market, people are informed on how to spot fakes via the video, then the local community gets what is probably a better instrument than what is currently at a given school
Second this idea - so many kids would like to have a nice guitar and this one is better than most, even if a fake. Get the name off, plop on a DBG logo, get the story inscribed on the electronics cover and then donate to a school.
I never understood how a “certificate of authenticity” is considered proof at all. If people can go this length to fake a whole guitar how can they not fake a little paper?
@Louis George White Jr so I think it would be fair to say that this fake Suhr guitar could have come with a COA and that should not be a reason to believe it's real.
if you're looking to buy used and someone provides the COA, which should associate with a specific serial number and build spec, you could likely contact Suhr and ask them if it is a legitimate guitar, cross referencing the details of how it is built against known serial numbers. guitars at Suhr's price point are generally built to order based on the options a customer requests, if you order directly from them. if I went to the very large instrument dealer near me and bought a Suhr from them, it would still have a COA and likely an associated spec sheet. even the standard options can have variants in colour, and almost certainly have markings internally, such as in the electronics cavities or in the neck pocket. they're not churning out thousands at a time, so those costs are built into the price of the instrument. I would certainly hope that for the insane money that the custom shops at Fender and Gibson charge, they would do something like that as well. personally, I need to spend probably three times as much as a Suhr on lessons and putting in a lot of practice to justify owning one... but if I could have any lower production guitar, Suhr's on the shortlist. Collings as well. when every single one you pick up is very good to great, you know you have a winner.
@@willums4225 ah yes, I forgot about that! sometimes it'll be embossed, have watermarks, holographics, etc. now if only I had enough cash lying around for a Suhr to test that theory out... :)
It stuns me that someone can produce a reasonable guitar in it's own right and then totally discredit it by deliberately making it a fake. Why not set out to make a reasonable guitar and market it for what it is.... a reasonable guitar.
You comment begs the question: how much did the original owner pay for the guitar ? If putting a fake name on the front ups the price that the manufacturers and/or middle men can sell the guitar for, then there is the answer to your question.
@@kenteel2944 - Possibly a fair call. My question, more rhetorical than real, was more concerned with the idea of pride of place in the market. That an otherwise reasonably produced guitar would not seek it's own place and recognition and hopefully gather a following of supporters in a middle price range - rather than being called out as a fake with all the negative vibe that goes along with that. Greco is a good example. Greco made reasonable quality guitars and used their own branding - they never tried to pretend they were Gibson. They are now sought after for their reasonable build qualities.
Agreed. I don't know a lot about the manufacturing process/licensing etc. but it seems like, instead of banking on fooling a few people, they could have produced this for another legit company or their own brand and it would be well-received (although clearly not at the Suhr price but wouldn't the volume of sales make up for that?)
As a guitar player of 17 years, and someone who is getting into woodworking and has restored has also some antique guitars, I have to say the craftsmanship on this guitar is absolutely immaculate. That burst finish is incredible. The routing for the pickups is perfect. From seeing it in the video, the setup, neck, and fretwork are flawless. The imperfections you pointed out (the chipping around the neck screws and truss rod), hell you can find muck ups like that on Gibsons. This thing is insane for a forgery. One of you said it; this guitar, if they started their own brand and made something unique with this craftsmanship, you could easily stack it against Ibanez, ESP, and Schecter in the $700-1000 range. It's a shame so much attention to detail is put into a forgery. I'm going to guess in another 5-10 years (if it's not already happening now), there are going to be forgeries that are so good, that you won't be able to tell the difference anymore. If they're able to mimic things down to this level, they could easily pull it off. The people making these aren't stupid, and can easily access the internet to find videos like yours and figure out how to remove the clues. I think the only way this will end is (maybe) with the NFT market, linking guitars to a distinct, digital certificate of authenticity. It's starting to happen for other physical items in the world. Darrell, please do not destroy this guitar (if you haven't yet). That would be very wasteful. Despite being a forgery, it is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship that some very talented people put together. I know another channel out there that finds forgeries, and they etch into the back of the guitar "forgery", so there's an idea instead of wrecking the nice headstock logo (even though it's a fraud). I'm with others to donate this guitar. Especially during this pandemic. I'm sure there's some kids and teens out there that would absolutely love this thing, and buying a new guitar seems out of the question for them now. What an awesome first or even intermediate guitar this would be for someone. That is my two cents.
....except they didn't really mimic anything due to the fact that this dude exposed so many errors....lol.....terrible job at trying to replicate a Suhr. I own 4 Suhrs, not even close bud.
Darrel, I’m so impressed with your honesty and integrity. Spending money to take a fake off the market and helping the guitar community At large by doing so.. Way to go man.
If he didnt have this channel he wouldn't buy that thing. The "help the guitar community" is a myth. Its all self gain. Its a win for him "I saw the fake guitar online so i buy it" No. He buy it because he needs content. He gets the guitar He gain views He gain subscribers He gain respect He gains money Easy for him Not the "helping guitar community so i buy it" no. 🤦🏼♂️😂
@@jannestefanoobski3604 That's all true, but the video is still informative and helps people to avoid buying a fake. But yeah, it was a bit of a virtue signaling video 😂
I usually skip over people's intros on their videos, but I always watch yours because I love seeing you chuck the guitar onto the top of your shed and then fall down in the snow.
Thing is, scammers work by cutting corners enough to fool an unsuspecting buyer. If a scammer put in the time and effort to actually make it match on a quality basis, they would wind up spending about as much as the cost to make the real deal, so there wouldn't be much of a point.
It will do them no good. I found a fake non-export Fender Jazz Aerodyne on Ebay a couple of days ago. Once you know what to look for, the fakes are easy to spot.
i have 12 guitars - the best one is a chiense fake jem ibanez. plays like butter and makes me sound fantastic. now it is buggered cause i stripped the D screw. shop couldn't replace part so i think i'll have to find a luthier
Just a thought on what to do with the guitar: This seems like a great candidate for a repair demonstration. Since you know what the tuning problems are, you could do a video about how to rectify them. ;o) The bridge problem in particular is interesting. You could obviously do some woodwork by plugging and re-drilling the 'straight' knife side post, but you could also see if it's possible to do a little metal work on the bridge itself and leave the quilted maple unmarred. As for the nut, it would also be interesting to see a before and after intonation comparison with a compensated nut (such as Earvana). Either way, another great video!
my take: rebrand it as "yeah, Suhr...", estimate the actual value + your time and send it back on the 2nd hand market... instruments need to be played, the poor thing holds no guilt for the forgery! :)
I agree with this. Just because it was intended as a forgery doesn't mean it should be destroyed. Toss a new bridge on it, take all the suhr markings off of it and give it away to someone who will appreciate it for just being a nice guitar.
Darrell: You should do a build project with it and raffle it off. Give the proceeds to your favorite charity. I'll buy a few chances to win. Thanks as always for your genuine sincerity.
Everyone who says 'Give it away' even to a charity, has missed the point. Darrell went some personal cost to get this con-job off the market. As long as this is one piece, it will be bought and sold for maximum prices. For generations this thing will rip people off, like it has a mind of its own. It will carve through untold numbers of people's goodwill for a hundred years... if Darrell can't Frodo-the-Fk-out-of-it ! What will it be, Darrell-the-Baggins....?🤨
I did mod a brand new $2000 2020 Fender American Ultra. I used a new pickguard and replaced the ultra noiseless pickups with some Di Marzio area pickups and an active mid boost with a fishman battery spring claw cover. However, I kept the original pickguard in one piece so if I ever need i can put it back if I need.
@@Balin_James Let's say you can build guitars of this caliber - play good feel great, then you slap on your own brand CaptainCat 15. What do you think will happen? Customers will flock to your brand because "it's very high quality"? HELL NAH. Quality does NOT trump brand in real life.
Dude i think about that for every high quality counterfeit product. If your going through all that effort to make it, manufacturer it, then why not make your company and a name for yourself. That never made sense to me
@@friethem very true. Im not disagreeing with your statement, but at the same time thats how every great company starts off for the most part. U make a high quality product, then the product speaks for itself and people want it. It takes time though and the people that are making high end counterfeits are trying to make a quick buck, they dont have the patience for their work to get out there. Its a shame.
DBG called this project NoSuhr. That's where I got it from. He should hire a graphic artist to make a "NoSuhr" logo in the same style as the original, sand down the headstock, put on the new logo, and clearcoat the headstock over the new logo.
Ditch the Wilkinson trem, route for a good Floyd Rose trem and locking nut, put decent pickups in it, do a video on how to install stainless steel frets, and by all means, put "No" in front of Suhr instead of just wiping out the logo! Maybe burn "FORGERY" on the back.
good point.... smart-ass and snarky guys are guys to steer clear of. Even successful pro players are not much fun to be around (Joe Walsh, Bruce Springsteen are 2 good examples).
It is sad, but SOOOOO many guitarists are completely up their own arse. Comes with sitting in your bedroom for 11 hours a day for 10 years perhaps. One word to sum up A LOT of guitar players = 'cringe'.
There is also a gap of 2-3mm between the two back plates on mine. And it just feels amazing, everything about it is solid and flawless. Their attention to detail and QC standards are unbelievable.....and then I pick up my Gibson.
That was so good of you to bye it and take it of the market - im impressed. And its strange how things fall in place. Now three years after you posted this im looking for a new guitarr and stumbled over a Suhr witch i never heard of before . But since i watched your post i can visit the seller and have a good look at it without being a total noob
@@foadrightnow5725 Specificaly in canada, this is a crime to have such thing as a counterfait object. Here in switzerland it is the same, and in most country it is also the same...I mean this is basically a copyright infrigment, you can go to jail by just owning the guitar, regardless of you knowing it is or not a copy. Even handing it to the autority can create you some trouble because at one point, you make an illegal good enter your country...do the math. Maybe (and do not take this as an advice because I really do not know how it stand vs laws) you can remove every marks who identify it as a shur, but it will still be a copy that can fall under copyright infrigment.
“Does it feel like a high-end guitar?” Well, with that advice I’ll have to go and complain that all the gibsons i’ve ever held are fakes, because they are just simply not high-end even though they be pricey
Couldn't agree more ! My 1994 used American Standard Tele that I bought for 600 dollars stays in tune better, plays better and feels better than both of my buddies's brand new Gibsons. (A 2014 Gibson LP Studio Pro and a 2013 Gibson SG Deluxe)
Gibson solid bodies, even back in the 60s always felt clunky and looked cheap to me. Like they tried and missed. That said my 52 ES 175 is a great player, that's what Gibson was good at.
@ihate names I play Teton too. I see your point, but I'm the opposite Gibson has never impressed me. Epiphone though, is totally fine price to performance is perfect. Again, in my opinion.
40 people didn't hear Darrell tell us the guy he got it from told him it was a fake. Darrell took it off the market so no one else would buy it and screw the next guy.
First thing I spotted. The quilt does not change as he moves the guitar around. It is totally static. Looks very fake to me although I am only looking at it through a phone.
Yeah definitely it looks at least a veneer. But I suspect it's a printing, too defined to stay still as he moves the guitar. Also with that grade of quilt you should be able to spot the wood figuring also on the natural binding, which in this case looks totally plain. A 7mm quilted top would be too expensive to fit a 800 dollars guitar
Build it, one heck of a start to make an amazing guitar. Get rid of all the forgery markings, I would even stamp made in Korea. If your still concerned stamp it fake copy. If it was mine I paint No Sir on the headstock.
You should donate it to someone who is less fortunate, would love to own and cherish it and cannot afford a decent guitar. Someone really wanting to learn how to play it and will help pass on the knowledge they have just learned on how to spot and expose a fake guitar to those who may have less knowledge of them and help take them off of the market! Someone like "ME" or someone else who fits the criteria of the points that I have recommended to the masses!!! My father used to all ways tell me before he passed away, boy you will never know till you ask, because bashful people miss out!!! Lol Rip-miss you pops!!!
I have a preowned Suhr Pro with Floyd Rose. It comes with a build sheet with all of the spec for the order, it doesn't have a certificate. It also doesn't come standard with a hard shell case.
Darrel: make Sure that your high end guitar stays in tune and plays well Gibson: *sweating* I once heard that someone bought a Gibson and said it was perfect, played well and holds tune. Turns out it was a Chibson XD
By the time the guys who built this have fixed everything Darrell points out, their counterfeits will be good enough and expensive enough that John Suhr can hire them to build real ones xD
I had to inform an eBayer that the 10th anniversary Jem they were selling was a fake. He didn’t know and relisted it as such. I felt like I was telling someone their spouse was cheating.
It is a good copy but another detail about the tuners, yes, they use their own branded locking tuners, but rhey may also come with Sperzel or Gotoh as well. I've had 2 Suhrs, one came with Sperzels, but rhey also work with Gotoh hardware so my bridge was a Gotoh floyd style. Also, yes, they don't use string trees but the one with the floyd style and locking nut I had, did have the string tree bar, not the individual ones, a whole bar that pulls all strings down before going to the tuners. Also Wilkisnon bridge, again, they work with Gotoh for those, Floyd Rose style or floating 510.
Also, the "Made in USA" is laser-engraved on a real Suhr.
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The nut is also not flat across the board. It doesn't matter that the string grooves will be different depth across the nut is still supposed to be equally as high all the way across the fret board.
you should replace the bridge with one that properly fits the setup. also check the pickups. if they are decent. save them for a dirt cheap guitar. put p90s on this one. change the grover tuners to something in a black colour. keep everything black for a hot look.
He's yanking your chain guys. That would be like counterfeiting one dollar bills by hand with a ballpoint pen. The "Whoosh" was the sound of the joke going right over your head!
One big thing you missed- all suhr guitars have quartersawn necks. This one did not. Dead giveaway. Along with the string trees. Also, a suhr has staggered tuners as well. Along with everything else you mentioned.
Besides the craftmanship in general, some obvious giveaways are the 24th fret inlay, which is not present on the real ones, the string trees, the wilkinson trem instead of a gotoh one, the flat area on the neck back where it meets the neckjoint, the upper corner of the headstock is not angled right, the lower horn looks off...
Hey Darrell, it's still a nice piece of art work so I'd love to see a rebuild video improving the trem and removing the logo and numbering. GREAT COMMUNITY SERVICE VIDEO !!! CHEERS AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. ID LOVE TO SEE YOUR STORE SOME DAY. :)
when he takes off the neck, if you look at the neck pocket it's pretty obvious that there isn't a real wood cap on it either. It looks similar to one of those "foto-flame" guitars that Fender Japan made in the 1990s.
Darrell, I have one of those $3,000 plus Suhr Modern Pro, I bought it new, but I checked the dealer out to see if he was authorized Suhr Dealer , and the certification of authenticity, when I received it I compared it to my Fender hi end strats , and the quality is impeccable, the frets are perfect, tuning is great 👍. You know you have a quilt high end guitar . I still play my strats all the time , but the Suhr is king 🤴
Good point about after market mods, when you spend that much on a guitar, you should surely like/trust what it came with rather than change parts of it. But look at Gibson Custom Shops. A lot of people change out the pickups! (Sweeping generalisation)
Yeah, it's shameful really. There's already a huge markup on PRS and other big brand guitars so the least they could do is include a case which costs them next to nothing in the first place. Most other companies do though, I'm don't think I've heard of a Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. not having a hardcase in that price range.
You can get Suhr guitars with nickel or stainless frets. The only Suhr that has a Wilkinson trem is the Pete Thorn model but it also comes with locking saddles. Also the 3 way switch is typically going to be a 5 way switch on this model. : )
I once bought a vintage Vox guitar. Turned out it was counterfeit. But it eventually became worth more as a fake than the real deal and the Counterfeit ones developed a following. Who knew ?
If I were you Darrell, I'd mod it to your liking, Put DBG on the headstock and keep it! It is a beautiful guitar and you can't really call it a cheap guitar either! In spite of it being a fraud, it's a keeper in my eyes!
FYI, when I bought my '72 ES-335 in '73, in less than 4 hours after I bought it I already had the pickups and wiring out of the guitar and was doing some serious modding to the pickups and wiring. The tone pots were replaced with rotary tone switches. As I needed set screw knobs for the rotary switches, I replaced all four of the Gibson witch hat knobs with Fender witch hat knobs. Less than a week later I replaced the tuners with Grover Rotomatics. I eventually replaced with Tune-O-Matic bridge with a harmonica bridge. The crap electronics that Gibson puts in their guitars in NOT sacred.
Is that an Ormsby semi-hollow shark in ‘Ocean Dream I think they call it... hanging in the back corner there? Did you ever do a review on one of these? I’m curious on your thoughts
I've never seen COAs or case candy as any kind of sign of authenticity - easy to fake, and the first things to get genuinely lost if it's a guitar that actually leaves the house and gets gigged.
I'm really impressed with the original seller, like you said he could have seriously scammed someone. Fascinating video, especially showing potential buyers what to look for. Side note: 70th Anniversary Surf Green Esquire...want it, bad, have you played one?
is it possible to find and add the appropriately sized / spaced bridge? curious, as there are a lot of Wilkinson bridges available, but the cheaper / cheapest ones might be clones or knockoffs. having a Vintage brand guitar (one that should NOT have passed QC, thanks random shop in BC selling on Reverb that ripped me off), I can say that even though the quality of the body and neck were not good, all the Wilkinson parts on it were very mechanically sound. like... annoyingly good.
I saw a Chinese copy LP hanging in a guitar store the other day. It was immaculate in every way and I’d have never known if the shop owner hadn’t told me.
I've changed pickups and wiring on quite a few high-end, pre-owned guitars. Just pointing it out that I've found some of the larger brand names don't always come with great stock pickups and also don't come with the best wiring setups either. Same with amplifiers. I've found a couple boutique amp companies short-cutting on some of their (caps and resistors) internal components. I'm talking about guitars I purchased back a couple of decades ago- before the onslaught of counterfeits we're bombarded with today.
Yes, absolutely, but even if they were original ones, Suhr doesn't work with Grovers. They use their own branded, Sperzel or Gotoh but that's it. Same wirh the bridge, they don't work with Wilkinson, they work with Gotoh for those
Do what needs to be done to get her playing right, perhaps even more, then give her away to someone who might be less fortunate, or perhaps to a viewer (always the possibility of killing two birds with one stone)
Lots of fakes out there, but I bought a aliexpress stratocaster and after I got it set up it's an amazing guitar and I have $300 into and wouldn't trade it for a fender!
@@456or7strings Fun fact, Suhr in the early 2000s used to use something similar to the Wilkinson trem, the Gotoh VG300 which is licensed from Wilkinson. They now use for the most part the Gotoh 510 series with either the block or bent saddles depending on the guitar.
Try removing the logo with acetone before taking sandpaper to it. Nitro thinner is stronger, but it would probably also ruin the clear coat under it. You could re-spray the headstock afterwards. I hope you give it to a school, that would be the best.
Hi Darrell - thanx for the vid. You come over as a really nice 👍 guy and I absolutely love watching your channel - your help is also greatly appreciated too - nice one. Best wishes. Cheers 🥂
I still don’t get it. They have all the means to make a guitar. They can even just market it as a small operation guitar maker. If it sounds good, i would buy it.
Because in markets such as musical instruments, prestiges of brands and money talk most. People would dare to splurge $10.000 for, example, a Gibson instead of some brands they never heard before, even if in reality the big names' product quality are worse than forgery guitar factory's product. And they try to maximize the margin by making the quality low, reducing the cost production needed for the fake ones.
Judging from the looks, I'd say that guitar started off life different. If I were to guess, the guitar started off as a cheap-o Suhr counterfeit from Ali Express. Probably looked nice, but was basically unplayable. Someone bought it who had some skill, then upgraded the tuners, pickups, new bridge (probably originally a two point strat-style bridge, Wilkinson was the closest fit, but not perfect), better electronics, and cleaned up the fretwork. Whoever did it didn't think to fix the nut. Also, I'd bet money that the body binding isn't actually binding - I bet it's just body wood where they stopped the stain line to give the appearance of a wood binding. The top is almost certainly a veneer, not an actual cap. The giveaway is the line on the "binding" that lines up with the line in the body, suggesting a three piece body with veneer. It may have been purchased by someone who wanted a guitar that passed for a legit Suhr, but didn't have $3000 to blow. The above upgrades you could do for probably $500 or so and an afternoon's time. You'd wind up with a decent knock-off for less than $1000. Or, it was done by someone who intended to rip folks off, buying the import, upgrading it, then passing it off as legit (with a price to match!).
@@drdrums1 The Gibson Gary Moore Tribute model had that body binding non-binding, but it actually looks very cool and is like one Gary was playing in 2005.
I have built guitars with a similar setup wilkinson trem (VS100N) locking tuners graphite nut and string trees... but... the placement of the one screw for the bridge destroys the guitar. You could fix everything else... replace the nut and string trees, put in better pickups and shield it but in order to get the bridge to work you would have to fill the bridge screw hole with a dowel and re drill in the correct position which would ruin the look of the top because it's off an 1/8" of an inch. If they had spent an hour longer longer making sure the guitar was done right (Im sure they got a real guitar and re created it in auto cad to cut it out with a cnc) it could have been a nice guitar worth around $700
That is the main reason why I don’t buy guitar that cost over $1000 CDN (Especially when it says: *Made in USA*) *PS ... Godin guitars are 100% Made in Canada !!!*
I would get rid of the logos, change the tremelo to a hipshot, definately shield it, put a black tusq nut on it..maybe get better pickups...the tuners seem fine...if you need to have the trees on it change them to black tusq. That's what I would do! It is a nice guitar.
Can anyone explain to me how do the splice the two parts of the body at the side of the guitar I mean is it a veneer that joins there or is a piece of woood that goes in like a Tetris piece?
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So what do you guys think I should I do with this guitar?
Enjoy :)
Add a flamethrower and go Mad Max 🤘
Brand it fake on the back of the headstock and do a giveaway or just keep it if its worth it.
@@williamsatnan4380 Just like what Phillip McKnight did. 👍
ill take it
Do a giveaway!
Definitely don't destroy it. I'm sure there is a kid in a school somewhere that would love to play that guitar. Scrub off the Suhr stuff, fix it up and donate it to your local elementary/middle school. Just a suggestion.
i really like that idea, fake guitar is taken off the market, people are informed on how to spot fakes via the video, then the local community gets what is probably a better instrument than what is currently at a given school
Second this idea - so many kids would like to have a nice guitar and this one is better than most, even if a fake. Get the name off, plop on a DBG logo, get the story inscribed on the electronics cover and then donate to a school.
Very good idea. Scrub off the fake Suhr markings and maybe wood brand it so it can't be camouflaged again.
No I would not scrape that off, it still looks cool and expensive to people who don't know
Best suggestion. :)
I never understood how a “certificate of authenticity” is considered proof at all. If people can go this length to fake a whole guitar how can they not fake a little paper?
Yeah not worth the paper it's written on.
@Louis George White Jr so I think it would be fair to say that this fake Suhr guitar could have come with a COA and that should not be a reason to believe it's real.
if you're looking to buy used and someone provides the COA, which should associate with a specific serial number and build spec, you could likely contact Suhr and ask them if it is a legitimate guitar, cross referencing the details of how it is built against known serial numbers.
guitars at Suhr's price point are generally built to order based on the options a customer requests, if you order directly from them. if I went to the very large instrument dealer near me and bought a Suhr from them, it would still have a COA and likely an associated spec sheet. even the standard options can have variants in colour, and almost certainly have markings internally, such as in the electronics cavities or in the neck pocket.
they're not churning out thousands at a time, so those costs are built into the price of the instrument. I would certainly hope that for the insane money that the custom shops at Fender and Gibson charge, they would do something like that as well.
personally, I need to spend probably three times as much as a Suhr on lessons and putting in a lot of practice to justify owning one... but if I could have any lower production guitar, Suhr's on the shortlist. Collings as well. when every single one you pick up is very good to great, you know you have a winner.
I think some certificates of authenticity are made on special stationery that isn't readily accessible. I am most likely 100% wrong though
@@willums4225 ah yes, I forgot about that! sometimes it'll be embossed, have watermarks, holographics, etc.
now if only I had enough cash lying around for a Suhr to test that theory out... :)
How to see if you have a fake Suhr: it won't stay in tune.
How to see if you have a fake Gibson: it stays in tune.
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Damn right ;-)
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Farkin G string....
It stuns me that someone can produce a reasonable guitar in it's own right and then totally discredit it by deliberately making it a fake.
Why not set out to make a reasonable guitar and market it for what it is.... a reasonable guitar.
You comment begs the question: how much did the original owner pay for the guitar ? If putting a fake name on the front ups the price that the manufacturers and/or middle men can sell the guitar for, then there is the answer to your question.
@@kenteel2944 - Possibly a fair call. My question, more rhetorical than real, was more concerned with the idea of pride of place in the market. That an otherwise reasonably produced guitar would not seek it's own place and recognition and hopefully gather a following of supporters in a middle price range - rather than being called out as a fake with all the negative vibe that goes along with that. Greco is a good example. Greco made reasonable quality guitars and used their own branding - they never tried to pretend they were Gibson. They are now sought after for their reasonable build qualities.
lol 😄 money is why 🙂
100s of hours spent on the perfect forgery and then they pick a random bridge out of the parts bin and say ' yeah, this'll do' haha.
Agreed. I don't know a lot about the manufacturing process/licensing etc. but it seems like, instead of banking on fooling a few people, they could have produced this for another legit company or their own brand and it would be well-received (although clearly not at the Suhr price but wouldn't the volume of sales make up for that?)
As a guitar player of 17 years, and someone who is getting into woodworking and has restored has also some antique guitars, I have to say the craftsmanship on this guitar is absolutely immaculate. That burst finish is incredible. The routing for the pickups is perfect. From seeing it in the video, the setup, neck, and fretwork are flawless. The imperfections you pointed out (the chipping around the neck screws and truss rod), hell you can find muck ups like that on Gibsons. This thing is insane for a forgery.
One of you said it; this guitar, if they started their own brand and made something unique with this craftsmanship, you could easily stack it against Ibanez, ESP, and Schecter in the $700-1000 range. It's a shame so much attention to detail is put into a forgery. I'm going to guess in another 5-10 years (if it's not already happening now), there are going to be forgeries that are so good, that you won't be able to tell the difference anymore. If they're able to mimic things down to this level, they could easily pull it off. The people making these aren't stupid, and can easily access the internet to find videos like yours and figure out how to remove the clues. I think the only way this will end is (maybe) with the NFT market, linking guitars to a distinct, digital certificate of authenticity. It's starting to happen for other physical items in the world.
Darrell, please do not destroy this guitar (if you haven't yet). That would be very wasteful. Despite being a forgery, it is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship that some very talented people put together. I know another channel out there that finds forgeries, and they etch into the back of the guitar "forgery", so there's an idea instead of wrecking the nice headstock logo (even though it's a fraud). I'm with others to donate this guitar. Especially during this pandemic. I'm sure there's some kids and teens out there that would absolutely love this thing, and buying a new guitar seems out of the question for them now. What an awesome first or even intermediate guitar this would be for someone. That is my two cents.
Nice lies
@@jannestefanoobski3604 eh?
Idk man. It’s not a bad guitar, but It looks fake from far away. Like, very
@@jannestefanoobski3604Contrarian
....except they didn't really mimic anything due to the fact that this dude exposed so many errors....lol.....terrible job at trying to replicate a Suhr. I own 4 Suhrs, not even close bud.
1. Fix it to your liking
2. Replace the Suhr logo with a DBG logo
3. Donate it
4. Be suhr to make a video about it
Sure****
@@B1indB1ake13 r/swooosh
USUALLY ppl who say donate it never donate things themselves.
@@grunge2012 USUALLY ppl who think they know a lot, know very little.
@@ZenonasTziarras idk about your comment son, but mine is scientifically proven.
Custom decal that says “NOSuhr”.
I had the same exact thought.
Or "Suhr Not"
Yes suhr that is an excellent idea....also that would make a beast of a modding platform
print the “like a sir” meme guy on the headstock
That's pretty funny!
After you remove the false logo and made in USA, make repairs to get it playing properly and give it to an underprivileged kids music program.
Nice one Jeff!
Wife said same thing! Great idea
Also change the shape of the head stock to be Suhr, to be Suhr
Great idea! Awesome!
I second that. Moreover I would add some sort of non-removable mark (scorched or sth) so it won't be reSuhred again in the future.
Darrel, I’m so impressed with your honesty and integrity. Spending money to take a fake off the market and helping the guitar community
At large by doing so.. Way to go man.
This video has 318k views on it. I'm sure it was a calculated expense that has paid dividends.
If he didnt have this channel he wouldn't buy that thing.
The "help the guitar community" is a myth.
Its all self gain.
Its a win for him
"I saw the fake guitar online so i buy it"
No. He buy it because he needs content.
He gets the guitar
He gain views
He gain subscribers
He gain respect
He gains money
Easy for him
Not the "helping guitar community so i buy it" no.
🤦🏼♂️😂
@@jannestefanoobski3604 That's all true, but the video is still informative and helps people to avoid buying a fake. But yeah, it was a bit of a virtue signaling video 😂
I usually skip over people's intros on their videos, but I always watch yours because I love seeing you chuck the guitar onto the top of your shed and then fall down in the snow.
Darrell: These are the red flags that this is a fake guitar
Scammers: frantically taking notes to build the next one
Thing is, scammers work by cutting corners enough to fool an unsuspecting buyer. If a scammer put in the time and effort to actually make it match on a quality basis, they would wind up spending about as much as the cost to make the real deal, so there wouldn't be much of a point.
@@drdrums1 dude... it was a joke
"It would not go over my head because I would catch it."
@@drdrums1 It's a joke and you're wrong. Cheap labor, low price
It will do them no good. I found a fake non-export Fender Jazz Aerodyne on Ebay a couple of days ago. Once you know what to look for, the fakes are easy to spot.
Even if it's a fake, you still go through every detail and make for a great showcase! Always good work!
He missed the most obvious thing- shape of the neck at the neck joint. Look at the pictures of original, google "suhr modern pro neck joint"
I'd fix what needs fixing and enjoy it. It doesn't need to be messed with.
i have 12 guitars - the best one is a chiense fake jem ibanez. plays like butter and makes me sound fantastic.
now it is buggered cause i stripped the D screw. shop couldn't replace part so i think i'll have to find a luthier
Just a thought on what to do with the guitar:
This seems like a great candidate for a repair demonstration. Since you know what the tuning problems are, you could do a video about how to rectify them. ;o)
The bridge problem in particular is interesting. You could obviously do some woodwork by plugging and re-drilling the 'straight' knife side post, but you could also see if it's possible to do a little metal work on the bridge itself and leave the quilted maple unmarred. As for the nut, it would also be interesting to see a before and after intonation comparison with a compensated nut (such as Earvana).
Either way, another great video!
my take: rebrand it as "yeah, Suhr...", estimate the actual value + your time and send it back on the 2nd hand market... instruments need to be played, the poor thing holds no guilt for the forgery! :)
I agree with this. Just because it was intended as a forgery doesn't mean it should be destroyed. Toss a new bridge on it, take all the suhr markings off of it and give it away to someone who will appreciate it for just being a nice guitar.
Surely rebrand it as 'NO SUHR' haha
Of course it's not a legit one. It doesn't have a Suhrtificate 😎
Nice 😆
Oh damn!!
Father approved joke.
Will you be here all week?
Sweet! 😎🤘🎸
Give it to a needy kid that doesn't have much money...
I was thinking the same thing. Peace
I know one..
im that needy kid lmao!! i only have a used 110 dollar guitar which is considered quite pricy here in philippines lol
The guitar has to hold tune to be played.. lol
@@erlikquadros5873 Pretty sure fix it up first is heavily implied.
Darrell: You should do a build project with it and raffle it off. Give the proceeds to your favorite charity. I'll buy a few chances to win. Thanks as always for your genuine sincerity.
Great idea! Beat me to it!
That's actually an awesome idea.
Real good idea , I’m in too
Awesome idea!
Everyone who says 'Give it away' even to a charity, has missed the point.
Darrell went some personal cost to get this con-job off the market. As long as this is one piece, it will be bought and sold for maximum prices.
For generations this thing will rip people off, like it has a mind of its own. It will carve through untold numbers of people's goodwill for a hundred years... if Darrell can't Frodo-the-Fk-out-of-it !
What will it be, Darrell-the-Baggins....?🤨
I did mod a brand new $2000 2020 Fender American Ultra. I used a new pickguard and replaced the ultra noiseless pickups with some Di Marzio area pickups and an active mid boost with a fishman battery spring claw cover. However, I kept the original pickguard in one piece so if I ever need i can put it back if I need.
Donate it to a high school music class! They would love you forever...
Sad thing is, the guy that made that fake could make his own guitars and earn an honest living, still looks like its worth a grand of anyone's money
Right? One of the many reasons I never understood fakes of this level, or in general. If you have the know-how, make it your own brand!
@@Balin_James Let's say you can build guitars of this caliber - play good feel great, then you slap on your own brand CaptainCat 15. What do you think will happen? Customers will flock to your brand because "it's very high quality"? HELL NAH. Quality does NOT trump brand in real life.
@@friethem THATS LIFE
Dude i think about that for every high quality counterfeit product. If your going through all that effort to make it, manufacturer it, then why not make your company and a name for yourself. That never made sense to me
@@friethem very true. Im not disagreeing with your statement, but at the same time thats how every great company starts off for the most part. U make a high quality product, then the product speaks for itself and people want it. It takes time though and the people that are making high end counterfeits are trying to make a quick buck, they dont have the patience for their work to get out there. Its a shame.
Get it playing well and call it the "NoSuhr"
that's a witty one..... good one.
DBG called this project NoSuhr. That's where I got it from. He should hire a graphic artist to make a "NoSuhr" logo in the same style as the original, sand down the headstock, put on the new logo, and clearcoat the headstock over the new logo.
I vote for "NoMa'am".
Great idea!
I'd say UnSuhr
This is why lately I only buy authentic Harley Benton ... 😁😁
19:16 As you can see the trem isn't set up floating.....because there are no strings on the loose body!
Also, do not destroy that guitar. Take the decal off and put "DB Special" on it. Fix it up. Then rock it out.
Ditch the Wilkinson trem, route for a good Floyd Rose trem and locking nut, put decent pickups in it, do a video on how to install stainless steel frets, and by all means, put "No" in front of Suhr instead of just wiping out the logo! Maybe burn "FORGERY" on the back.
Reading the comments reminds me why I never, ever , EVER, hang around other guitarists.
haha! so true
good point.... smart-ass and snarky guys are guys to steer clear of. Even successful pro players are not much fun to be around (Joe Walsh, Bruce Springsteen are 2 good examples).
@@DougHinVA I thought Joe Walsh was the bomb personality wise...and the Boss too. Did I read your comment wrong?
It is sad, but SOOOOO many guitarists are completely up their own arse. Comes with sitting in your bedroom for 11 hours a day for 10 years perhaps. One word to sum up A LOT of guitar players = 'cringe'.
Your loss.
There is also a gap of 2-3mm between the two back plates on mine. And it just feels amazing, everything about it is solid and flawless. Their attention to detail and QC standards are unbelievable.....and then I pick up my Gibson.
That was so good of you to bye it and take it of the market - im impressed. And its strange how things fall in place. Now three years after you posted this im looking for a new guitarr and stumbled over a Suhr witch i never heard of before . But since i watched your post i can visit the seller and have a good look at it without being a total noob
DO NOT DESTROY THE GUITAR! Mod it and make sure it will never be mistaken as a Suhr guitar and give it away! Win/win/win!
A fake have to be destroyed every time, this is the law.
@@nekot9274 - That's the law in Canada?
@@foadrightnow5725 Specificaly in canada, this is a crime to have such thing as a counterfait object. Here in switzerland it is the same, and in most country it is also the same...I mean this is basically a copyright infrigment, you can go to jail by just owning the guitar, regardless of you knowing it is or not a copy. Even handing it to the autority can create you some trouble because at one point, you make an illegal good enter your country...do the math. Maybe (and do not take this as an advice because I really do not know how it stand vs laws) you can remove every marks who identify it as a shur, but it will still be a copy that can fall under copyright infrigment.
“Does it feel like a high-end guitar?”
Well, with that advice I’ll have to go and complain that all the gibsons i’ve ever held are fakes, because they are just simply not high-end even though they be pricey
Yeah gibsons feel like cheap poopoo compared to a mid priced strat
Couldn't agree more ! My 1994 used American Standard Tele that I bought for 600 dollars stays in tune better, plays better and feels better than both of my buddies's brand new Gibsons. (A 2014 Gibson LP Studio Pro and a 2013 Gibson SG Deluxe)
Gibson solid bodies, even back in the 60s always felt clunky and looked cheap to me. Like they tried and missed. That said my 52 ES 175 is a great player, that's what Gibson was good at.
Worst guitar purchase I ever made was a Gibson. I'd rather buy a Korean knock-off of a Gibson, it'd probably be better quality.
@ihate names I play Teton too. I see your point, but I'm the opposite Gibson has never impressed me. Epiphone though, is totally fine price to performance is perfect. Again, in my opinion.
Man is so canadian he gets scammed and its happy it wasnt someone else
40 people didn't hear Darrell tell us the guy he got it from told him it was a fake. Darrell took it off the market so no one else would buy it and screw the next guy.
He wasn't scammed. He knew what he was buying. Didn't you see the video? It's in english......
Hahaha
When you removed the neck, you didn't mention it but that top looks like paper thin veneer......
Agreed, I suspect that it is a print
First thing I spotted. The quilt does not change as he moves the guitar around. It is totally static. Looks very fake to me although I am only looking at it through a phone.
Yeah definitely it looks at least a veneer. But I suspect it's a printing, too defined to stay still as he moves the guitar. Also with that grade of quilt you should be able to spot the wood figuring also on the natural binding, which in this case looks totally plain. A 7mm quilted top would be too expensive to fit a 800 dollars guitar
Build it, one heck of a start to make an amazing guitar. Get rid of all the forgery markings, I would even stamp made in Korea. If your still concerned stamp it fake copy. If it was mine I paint No Sir on the headstock.
Looks like someone's put a SUHR decal on a Harley Benton.
Idk harley bentons are usually made better
Was thinking the same but as I watched all the issues with the fake my HB has none of them.
Also, the HB superstrats are made in Vietnam, not Korea.
Don’t get Darrell started on Harley Benton
You should donate it to someone who is less fortunate, would love to own and cherish it and cannot afford a decent guitar. Someone really wanting to learn how to play it and will help pass on the knowledge they have just learned on how to spot and expose a fake guitar to those who may have less knowledge of them and help take them off of the market! Someone like "ME" or someone else who fits the criteria of the points that I have recommended to the masses!!! My father used to all ways tell me before he passed away, boy you will never know till you ask, because bashful people miss out!!! Lol Rip-miss you pops!!!
Very difficult to have a trem setup floating, with no strings on it.
Haha yea
Imagine this guy was you neighbour and you had conversations with him over the fence, like on Tim the Toolman Taylor?!
I have a preowned Suhr Pro with Floyd Rose. It comes with a build sheet with all of the spec for the order, it doesn't have a certificate. It also doesn't come standard with a hard shell case.
Darrel: make Sure that your high end guitar stays in tune and plays well
Gibson: *sweating*
I once heard that someone bought a Gibson and said it was perfect, played well and holds tune. Turns out it was a Chibson XD
By the time the guys who built this have fixed everything Darrell points out, their counterfeits will be good enough and expensive enough that John Suhr can hire them to build real ones xD
Make it play well, put the brand out and give it to someone who really needs it
I had to inform an eBayer that the 10th anniversary Jem they were selling was a fake. He didn’t know and relisted it as such. I felt like I was telling someone their spouse was cheating.
Aka things that hurt but must be done
It is a good copy but another detail about the tuners, yes, they use their own branded locking tuners, but rhey may also come with Sperzel or Gotoh as well. I've had 2 Suhrs, one came with Sperzels, but rhey also work with Gotoh hardware so my bridge was a Gotoh floyd style. Also, yes, they don't use string trees but the one with the floyd style and locking nut I had, did have the string tree bar, not the individual ones, a whole bar that pulls all strings down before going to the tuners. Also Wilkisnon bridge, again, they work with Gotoh for those, Floyd Rose style or floating 510.
Forger: makes noticeable fake stuff.
*gives them a COA to fake*
Forger: this is out of my expertise.
The fret ends on a Suhr are are some of the best I’ve ever seen
I still want to know why he throws that guitar to the roof..
It’s from an older video. He was pretending to be really frustrated about playing an F chord.
Bleh Bruh complete frustration.
Thx guys
Because it's a piece of crap?
Also, the "Made in USA" is laser-engraved on a real Suhr.
The nut is also not flat across the board. It doesn't matter that the string grooves will be different depth across the nut is still supposed to be equally as high all the way across the fret board.
you should replace the bridge with one that properly fits the setup. also check the pickups. if they are decent. save them for a dirt cheap guitar. put p90s on this one. change the grover tuners to something in a black colour. keep everything black for a hot look.
I got ripped off a few months back on a fake Glarry.
How?? Those things are already some of the cheapest available guitars. The profit margin for a fake must be like planck-length thin.
Who...why...that's crazy, not sure why anyone would copy a glarry lol. Sorry to hear that man
He's yanking your chain guys. That would be like counterfeiting one dollar bills by hand with a ballpoint pen. The "Whoosh" was the sound of the joke going right over your head!
You must be gratified by a few of your replies... like shooting fish in a barrel!
... 🤔
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha him throwing the acoustic on the roof and falling in the snow made my day
One big thing you missed- all suhr guitars have quartersawn necks. This one did not. Dead giveaway. Along with the string trees. Also, a suhr has staggered tuners as well. Along with everything else you mentioned.
Besides the craftmanship in general, some obvious giveaways are the 24th fret inlay, which is not present on the real ones, the string trees, the wilkinson trem instead of a gotoh one, the flat area on the neck back where it meets the neckjoint, the upper corner of the headstock is not angled right, the lower horn looks off...
Hey Darrell, it's still a nice piece of art work so I'd love to see a rebuild video improving the trem and removing the logo and numbering.
GREAT COMMUNITY SERVICE VIDEO !!! CHEERS AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. ID LOVE TO SEE YOUR STORE SOME DAY. :)
Korean made + Fantastic attention to small details....🤔 wasn’t Suhr’s Discontinued import line Rasmus made in Korea???
I feel like I'm the only one that noticed that the quilt just looks like a photo because it doesn't move when he moves it
when he takes off the neck, if you look at the neck pocket it's pretty obvious that there isn't a real wood cap on it either. It looks similar to one of those "foto-flame" guitars that Fender Japan made in the 1990s.
That should be the nber one giveaway. I was waiting for him to point that out.
"And don't call me Surhly"
Now that's funny.
... But you are serious ;-)
LOL 🤣🤣for real there is a brand of guitars called surly! 🤣🤣
Do you mean Salmon Rushly?
Darrell,
I have one of those $3,000 plus Suhr Modern Pro, I bought it new, but I checked the dealer out to see if he was authorized Suhr Dealer , and the certification of authenticity, when I received it I compared it to my Fender hi end strats , and the quality is impeccable, the frets are perfect, tuning is great 👍. You know you have a quilt high end guitar . I still play my strats all the time , but the Suhr is king 🤴
Good point about after market mods, when you spend that much on a guitar, you should surely like/trust what it came with rather than change parts of it. But look at Gibson Custom Shops. A lot of people change out the pickups! (Sweeping generalisation)
Not PRS, even the $2,000 price-tag guitars comes with a “gig bag”
Yeah, it's shameful really. There's already a huge markup on PRS and other big brand guitars so the least they could do is include a case which costs them next to nothing in the first place. Most other companies do though, I'm don't think I've heard of a Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. not having a hardcase in that price range.
Same for Caparison
I would keep it, do away with the counterfeit branding and fix the couple issues. It seems like a very well built guitar that just needs a little TLC.
Its actually really nice how the guy was honest
The trem is dive-only at the moment because you have the strings off the guitar. You should check the block placement with it tuned.
You can get Suhr guitars with nickel or stainless frets.
The only Suhr that has a Wilkinson trem is the Pete Thorn model but it also comes with locking saddles.
Also the 3 way switch is typically going to be a 5 way switch on this model.
: )
No reason to destroy a perfectly good guitar when it is so easy to remove the fake logos.
I once bought a vintage Vox guitar. Turned out it was counterfeit. But it eventually became worth more as a fake than the real deal and the Counterfeit ones developed a following. Who knew ?
If I were you Darrell, I'd mod it to your liking, Put DBG on the headstock and keep it! It is a beautiful guitar and you can't really call it a cheap guitar either! In spite of it being a fraud, it's a keeper in my eyes!
FYI, when I bought my '72 ES-335 in '73, in less than 4 hours after I bought it I already had the pickups and wiring out of the guitar and was doing some serious modding to the pickups and wiring. The tone pots were replaced with rotary tone switches. As I needed set screw knobs for the rotary switches, I replaced all four of the Gibson witch hat knobs with Fender witch hat knobs. Less than a week later I replaced the tuners with Grover Rotomatics. I eventually replaced with Tune-O-Matic bridge with a harmonica bridge. The crap electronics that Gibson puts in their guitars in NOT sacred.
Is that an Ormsby semi-hollow shark in ‘Ocean Dream I think they call it... hanging in the back corner there?
Did you ever do a review on one of these? I’m curious on your thoughts
I've never seen COAs or case candy as any kind of sign of authenticity - easy to fake, and the first things to get genuinely lost if it's a guitar that actually leaves the house and gets gigged.
I would just remove the logo, replace the bridge with a hardtail, sort the nut and enjoy it. That is a gorgeous looking guitar.
I'm really impressed with the original seller, like you said he could have seriously scammed someone. Fascinating video, especially showing potential buyers what to look for. Side note: 70th Anniversary Surf Green Esquire...want it, bad, have you played one?
is it possible to find and add the appropriately sized / spaced bridge?
curious, as there are a lot of Wilkinson bridges available, but the cheaper / cheapest ones might be clones or knockoffs.
having a Vintage brand guitar (one that should NOT have passed QC, thanks random shop in BC selling on Reverb that ripped me off), I can say that even though the quality of the body and neck were not good, all the Wilkinson parts on it were very mechanically sound. like... annoyingly good.
I saw a Chinese copy LP hanging in a guitar store the other day. It was immaculate in every way and I’d have never known if the shop owner hadn’t told me.
The guys who made this guitar: Thanks Darell for the pointers because we're gonna make fakes which are not distinguishable 😈😂
This is just like prom night when I took my date's bra off and a bunch of wadded up Kleenex popped out.
The Artful Dodger hey at least it wasn't a dude 😂
Well maybe he was embarrassed. Maybe he couldn't afford silicone implants. Maybe he was jealous of yours...IDK!
Build project!!! why let a decently built guitar go to waste
Make it your new favourite! Go to town on it! Complete customization. No expense spared. I look forward to the video.
I've changed pickups and wiring on quite a few high-end, pre-owned guitars. Just pointing it out that I've found some of the larger brand names don't always come with great stock pickups and also don't come with the best wiring setups either. Same with amplifiers. I've found a couple boutique amp companies short-cutting on some of their (caps and resistors) internal components. I'm talking about guitars I purchased back a couple of decades ago- before the onslaught of counterfeits we're bombarded with today.
If the guitar is a counterfeit, what makes you think the tuners aren’t also bogus ?
Yes, absolutely, but even if they were original ones, Suhr doesn't work with Grovers. They use their own branded, Sperzel or Gotoh but that's it. Same wirh the bridge, they don't work with Wilkinson, they work with Gotoh for those
Interesting point, however, even if they were fake Grovers, as long as they work, why not just use them?
Q: What guitar do you have??
A: Idk man. I'm not Suhr
Do what needs to be done to get her playing right, perhaps even more, then give her away to someone who might be less fortunate, or perhaps to a viewer (always the possibility of killing two birds with one stone)
The string trees, the tremolo (Suhr mostly use Gotoh), the dots on the 24th fret.
Build it! I’m wondering what bridge will work with the existing pins..
Lots of fakes out there, but I bought a aliexpress stratocaster and after I got it set up it's an amazing guitar and I have $300 into and wouldn't trade it for a fender!
The trem is wrong. I noticed that right away
Same - Suhr would never put that trem on their guitars
@@456or7strings Fun fact, Suhr in the early 2000s used to use something similar to the Wilkinson trem, the Gotoh VG300 which is licensed from Wilkinson. They now use for the most part the Gotoh 510 series with either the block or bent saddles depending on the guitar.
@@theblindsniper I’d like to get some of the Wilkinson locking saddles for my Gotoh bridge
High Darrel, hope you are having a great day today. Destroy the Brandlogo, throw the guitar away and tell me the place you have thrown it to.
That's what I say.
Try removing the logo with acetone before taking sandpaper to it. Nitro thinner is stronger, but it would probably also ruin the clear coat under it. You could re-spray the headstock afterwards.
I hope you give it to a school, that would be the best.
Hi Darrell - thanx for the vid. You come over as a really nice 👍 guy and I absolutely love watching your channel - your help is also greatly appreciated too - nice one. Best wishes. Cheers 🥂
"If you spend $3k-4k on a guitar, you're most likely not going to mod it"
Me who wanted to put different pickups in my Music Man Mariposa: 👀
I change the pick ups on almost all my guitars. I disagree with that part of the video. Change your pick up. You’ll be happy you did.
@@dallassheppard2783 well most people prefer pre -installed
I still don’t get it. They have all the means to make a guitar. They can even just market it as a small operation guitar maker. If it sounds good, i would buy it.
Because in markets such as musical instruments, prestiges of brands and money talk most. People would dare to splurge $10.000 for, example, a Gibson instead of some brands they never heard before, even if in reality the big names' product quality are worse than forgery guitar factory's product. And they try to maximize the margin by making the quality low, reducing the cost production needed for the fake ones.
Judging from the looks, I'd say that guitar started off life different. If I were to guess, the guitar started off as a cheap-o Suhr counterfeit from Ali Express. Probably looked nice, but was basically unplayable. Someone bought it who had some skill, then upgraded the tuners, pickups, new bridge (probably originally a two point strat-style bridge, Wilkinson was the closest fit, but not perfect), better electronics, and cleaned up the fretwork. Whoever did it didn't think to fix the nut. Also, I'd bet money that the body binding isn't actually binding - I bet it's just body wood where they stopped the stain line to give the appearance of a wood binding. The top is almost certainly a veneer, not an actual cap. The giveaway is the line on the "binding" that lines up with the line in the body, suggesting a three piece body with veneer.
It may have been purchased by someone who wanted a guitar that passed for a legit Suhr, but didn't have $3000 to blow. The above upgrades you could do for probably $500 or so and an afternoon's time. You'd wind up with a decent knock-off for less than $1000. Or, it was done by someone who intended to rip folks off, buying the import, upgrading it, then passing it off as legit (with a price to match!).
@@drdrums1 this guy gets it
@@drdrums1 The Gibson Gary Moore Tribute model had that body binding non-binding, but it actually looks very cool and is like one Gary was playing in 2005.
@@drdrums1 it is true!
Get it up to snuff and rebrand it "DBG Sir!"
I have built guitars with a similar setup wilkinson trem (VS100N) locking tuners graphite nut and string trees... but... the placement of the one screw for the bridge destroys the guitar. You could fix everything else... replace the nut and string trees, put in better pickups and shield it but in order to get the bridge to work you would have to fill the bridge screw hole with a dowel and re drill in the correct position which would ruin the look of the top because it's off an 1/8" of an inch. If they had spent an hour longer longer making sure the guitar was done right (Im sure they got a real guitar and re created it in auto cad to cut it out with a cnc) it could have been a nice guitar worth around $700
Darrell, were you able to find a bridge that fits those posts. I was jumping around through the video so maybe i missed that.
That is the main reason why I don’t buy guitar that cost over $1000 CDN (Especially when it says: *Made in USA*)
*PS ... Godin guitars are 100% Made in Canada !!!*
Im getting ready to buy a Godin. It’s gorgeous and pretty much can do what fender and charvel can.
Godin is a great company , but they do some in New Hampshire as well.
Unless they start faking godins too
Unless it's a NOdin...but why would you copy a Godin. That's kinda like copying a Pinto, right?
My Godin guitar is made in the USA. They have a factory in New Hampshire.
Auction it off for charity (after removing the whole Suhr branding of course)
What we learn?... we pay overpriced guitars just because of the "famous" brand.
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BEST COMMENT....very wise words my man!!!!
@@eddiejr540 THX Larry! In Brazil we pay 3x more than USA!!!
I would get rid of the logos, change the tremelo to a hipshot, definately shield it, put a black tusq nut on it..maybe get better pickups...the tuners seem fine...if you need to have the trees on it change them to black tusq. That's what I would do! It is a nice guitar.
Can anyone explain to me how do the splice the two parts of the body at the side of the guitar I mean is it a veneer that joins there or is a piece of woood that goes in like a Tetris piece?