Which is Better? - Razer Basilisk V3 PRO 🆚 ULTIMATE

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  • @bis7331
    @bis7331 Год назад +23

    Correct me if im wrong but basically v3 pro is ultimate but with bluetooth, digital scrolling, inf scroll, and a slightly better sensor, and underlit rgb.

    • @MrWhatsItsName
      @MrWhatsItsName 3 месяца назад +5

      So basically the ultimate version of the ultimate

  • @darylholden187
    @darylholden187 7 месяцев назад +14

    I Bought the Ultimate with wireless dock included in April 2022 when 66% off. Worked perfectly until 3 weeks ago and suddenly kept power cycling.
    I RMA'd it back to razer even though it was technically a week outside the 2 year warrantee.
    Razer just sent me the V3 Pro with the new mouse dock pro and I'm so so happy.
    Razer have great support and have got me as a lifetime customer (on deals)

    • @zankom417
      @zankom417 4 месяца назад

      They sent it for free?

    • @darylholden187
      @darylholden187 4 месяца назад

      @zankom417 Yes as a replacement under warrantee. The version I had paid for was discontinued so they sent their new equivalent

    • @TahajuPVP
      @TahajuPVP 3 месяца назад

      @@darylholden187 I'm so jealous

  • @hopelessdevilYT
    @hopelessdevilYT 2 года назад +18

    Lets go! I have been waiting for your review on the basilisk v3 pro

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад +1

      It's finally here!

    • @NEVERPLUS1
      @NEVERPLUS1 2 года назад +1

      I know you waiting a review bc you can't afford it right?

  • @Ostrid1
    @Ostrid1 Год назад +54

    The old mouse came with the dock and the new one sells the dock separately tho. That's a huge downside imo

    • @Donbros
      @Donbros Год назад +6

      The old dock is bad and its also type c but its a price increase

    • @fasthands1631
      @fasthands1631 Год назад +5

      The old dock was an upcharge still, $200 for the pack with the dock at launch

    • @pedokillla
      @pedokillla 10 месяцев назад

      The old dock is a gimmick charging at half the speed and doesn’t work if it moves slightly was never worth the extra money

  • @LiedGT
    @LiedGT 2 года назад +3

    Getting this delivered tomorrow. Sadly I had to order the dock from another website so it’s a bit delayed, but i’m getting that in a few days as well! Lovely!

  • @snyper64
    @snyper64 Год назад +24

    You should have mentioned that the wireless charging is a QI charger. If you mix up the charging types it could potentially break the mouse or charger.
    Also as for why the polling rate changes between the wired and wireless, it's actually a chip issue. There is currently no single chip solution for fast polling for both wireless and wired. Razer would literally have to add another chip and redo the whole board to give it that ability which would add probably another 30-50 dollar's to the price and add more weight to it.

  • @manumonkey2712
    @manumonkey2712 Год назад +6

    Hands down the most complete and extensive review of this gorgeous mouse. I went from a logitech g502 hero to this. If I could say something "bad" in difference between this one and the g502 model (physically talking) is that the sensitivity clutch left button is a little bit more near the finger on the Razer, what makes a little bit uncomfortable, at least at the beggining. It might be a sort of getting used to it. In the other hand, what you mention about the polling rate with the dongle, it should have been increased as well while connected wired. It makes no sense that they gives that feature with an wireless dongle but not while being wired. Anyway, this is an amazing mouse. Im enjoying it every second. Gz for the review!

  • @Jorozzzzz
    @Jorozzzzz 2 года назад +5

    3:23 if we look at this comparison the most important aspects like weight and battery life are on the side of the old Basilisk Ultimate. The only good things that the V3 has are the infinite scroll wheel (not sure if its better to have than the customizable resistance wheel tho), USB-C and the 4k polling rate and arguably you wont even feel the difference between 4k and 1k.

  • @3choblast3r4
    @3choblast3r4 Год назад +3

    I bought the razer deathaddder v3 pro and I'm thinking of sending it back and getting this one. Since it has the same sensors, clicks etc etc. I don't find the deathadder to be as comfortable as my g502 lightspeed / g502 x. And I absolutely detest how light it is. I wanted to try a light mouse but man they feel like cheap macdonalds toys. And since I play on glass on a super high dpi, the weight gives me some extra control and stopping power over a super light mouse.

  • @balandziaiduhai8972
    @balandziaiduhai8972 22 дня назад +1

    why i cant pair bazilik v3 pro 35k to dock pro? help please

  • @prainmantis
    @prainmantis 2 года назад +2

    I was at the razer store in Austin, Texas and was so close to getting it. Unfortunately I got a new basilisk ultimate like a couple months ago from an RMA. Still thinking about it though.

  • @maximumsohangame
    @maximumsohangame Год назад

    Was thinking of upgrading my OG Basilisk to Ultimate but might save a bit more and grab the V3 pro instead. Thank you for this review. 💯👏🏻

  • @kitsumiii
    @kitsumiii 11 месяцев назад

    9:06 this is cool but where do you leave your keyboard dongle after unplugging it?

  • @oes2546
    @oes2546 2 года назад +3

    Seems absolutely perfect, except sadly I don't like the shape of the Basilisk personally. At least for the Hyperspeed X variant, the combination of the back-heavyness makes it awkward in a claw grip to me, and a palm grip is not ergonomic for my hand-size. The first might be different with the wired version, but the second is the grip style I prefer anyhow. I just hope then, that Razer will release more mice with this scroll wheel, for what I'm really after is a replacement to my MX Master 3, but with a gaming-grade sensor and considerably lower weight.

  • @HM-IITM
    @HM-IITM 2 года назад +2

    Hey man I'm getting one for Christmas!

  • @basselboss55
    @basselboss55 2 года назад +1

    Best honest detailed review ever !

  • @spoke1183
    @spoke1183 Месяц назад

    Does it last more then 3 months if a real question? Ive never had a razer mouse that didnt have some issues within first 3-6 months.

  • @teemomain1238
    @teemomain1238 Год назад +2

    I’m personally going to purchase the ultimate cause it comes with the dock and I don’t have to buy a new dock separately😊

  • @zlevelx
    @zlevelx 2 года назад +1

    used the viper ultimate for awhile now the v2 pro only thing about the basilisk is the weight after getting used to a 74 and 58 gram mouse im assuming the basilisk will feel extremely heavy and clunky

  • @Lrowen
    @Lrowen 2 месяца назад

    Hi, may i ask can we program connectivity in one of the buttons. I.e 2.4g and Bluetooth exchange button.

  • @valves.mp4
    @valves.mp4 2 года назад

    love how your channel has become man

  • @cedricrm1512
    @cedricrm1512 2 года назад +1

    Does this white version have the problem of dongle disconnections ? On the black version (V3 Pro), it is very common. At 180 € it's not conceivable.

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад

      So far, I've actually had no dongle disconnection problems, but I have mainly been using it through the Mouse Dock Pro!

  • @NERDPotion
    @NERDPotion 2 года назад

    why does it look like a G502

  • @prodigy_xd
    @prodigy_xd 2 года назад +2

    love the mouse (have wireless and wired) but after a while the you notice the weight.. I wish they would make a superlight of this shape. Perfect in the hands, just a bit too heavy for FPS etc.

  • @kitsumiii
    @kitsumiii 11 месяцев назад

    I have the Basilisk Ultimate and i never understood why i should put the mouse USB into the charger itself if i can just leave it in my PC while i can charge it wirelessly. Do any of you know?

  • @Stackali
    @Stackali 2 года назад +1

    why does the g502 have a razer logo?

  • @dekmedina
    @dekmedina Год назад +3

    They intentionally did that polling rate issue over the wired and wireless charger to target the enthusiast gamer to buy their additional product

  • @AbdullahJirjees
    @AbdullahJirjees 2 года назад +2

    Between this mouse and Master MX 3S from Logitech which one is better?

    • @itsjeff9190
      @itsjeff9190 2 года назад +1

      this mouse of course

    • @Donbros
      @Donbros Год назад

      Mx master is actually worse in every aspect. This has 3 modes in different ways

  • @michaelthompson9798
    @michaelthompson9798 2 года назад +8

    Nice looking mouse ….. especially in white …… but the price has DEFINITELY NOT been improved ….. that’s ridiculous, like all new Razer mouses being overpriced! I have a few Razer mouses and the new ones (released this year) are completely overpriced and shows the company is getting out of touch with consumer spending. Especially in current times

    • @SiLva_SuRfa
      @SiLva_SuRfa 2 года назад

      These are the "Pro" variants, it really is no surprise razer is pricing them so high, they usually make a standard version that is wired that is priced more justifiably.

  • @OxygenDiffusion
    @OxygenDiffusion 6 месяцев назад

    I really like the new dock
    but have zero issues with the old one had it since release ( same for a couple of friends )
    Ive connected it to a phone charger so I can charge the mice at night without the PC

  • @Iam....--..
    @Iam....--.. 2 года назад +2

    I have the mouse and I do have to say it’s a great mouse but it’s definitely not the greatest gaming mouse. If you’re a right handed palm grip user and don’t game seriously and like the aesthetic then go for it but if not then it’s probably not worth the money spent on it. If you are buying a mouse for gaming then the best right now are the Deathadder V3 Pro (for larger hands) or the Viper V2 Pro (for smaller hands) but if you game lightly and want some rgb for work then go for it

  • @shreyanshrajput8020
    @shreyanshrajput8020 Год назад

    How to charge the mouse without wireless, like I should just use my mobile charger and plug with it?

  • @agent.charlie.wax_idn1214
    @agent.charlie.wax_idn1214 2 года назад +1

    Looks like to G 502 :D THX for your nice information video.

  • @cosmickflames6150
    @cosmickflames6150 2 года назад

    I tried to order it off of Amazon and they gave me the wrong mouse right packaging wrong mouse in the box so I shipped it back. Kind of sad 😢😭 hopefully I get the right one on the second go around

  • @kennible
    @kennible Год назад

    My complaint is too bad the Mouse Dock Pro won't stop overcharging once the mouse fully charged, and the scroll wheel is quite wobbly.

  • @jonathanleonard9507
    @jonathanleonard9507 Год назад

    Is the scroll wheel wobbly and when you scroll does it feel like something is moving or vibrating on where your palm rests? is that normal?

  • @rifkiiqbal1164
    @rifkiiqbal1164 2 года назад +4

    Not gonna lie. The best thing about Razer Basilisk V3 Pro is The charging dock. I can slam my phone in there perfectly + i get better angle to see my phone than normal wireless charging dock.

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад

      Haha it’s an unexpected feature 😆

    • @Loki-hc3vy
      @Loki-hc3vy Год назад

      Too bad there isn't white edition doc

  • @garretts431
    @garretts431 Год назад

    Has it turned yellow yet? Reddit has threads about the white turning yellow

  • @JakeBielak
    @JakeBielak 2 года назад +2

    OMG THANK U FOR REVIEVING THIS MOUSE THIS MOUSE I WNATED TO BUY THIS MOUSE AT CHRISTMAST

  • @MikeSyraxx
    @MikeSyraxx Год назад

    Idk why but it’s impossible to get the basilisk in white Fr

  • @darraghcullinane3230
    @darraghcullinane3230 2 года назад +1

    Cant wait to see the trotten desk setup

  • @rehzerehzy8386
    @rehzerehzy8386 2 года назад +1

    I'm trying to justify the extra $100+ price tag compared to the wired version, is it truly worth it? Especially if I don't mind wired mice?

    • @thetaswarm
      @thetaswarm 2 года назад

      no, you pay for the wireless capabilities (bt+2.4ghz). if you do not want to use it wirelessly (eg, traveling with steamdeck, laptop or you hate cables) then there is no point in paying for this one

  • @andrewsouthern3336
    @andrewsouthern3336 2 года назад

    Basilisk is my everyday mouse I love it now they finally have a white one to match my setup

  • @lilsdon
    @lilsdon 6 месяцев назад

    I got mine 2 weeks ago sent it back, too small for the larget hand,.i also didnt like the the button on the side for the thumb, as i kept hitting it, overall 5/10

  • @richardyu3200
    @richardyu3200 2 года назад

    Hi can you recommend the Razer Iskur this year??? I am planning to buy one.

  • @SolarErazer
    @SolarErazer Год назад

    Which is better value V3 for £40 or this Pro £102

  • @rodrigofernety
    @rodrigofernety 2 года назад

    i just bought my viper v2 and its not this wireless... ugh

  • @912MNG
    @912MNG Год назад

    Ahhh maybe should have mentioned that the new one's clutch button didn't come off.. def just ripped mine off and 2 seconds later you mention the new one not having that option ..

  • @hamsome9511
    @hamsome9511 Год назад

    Can it be charge by just connecting the wire?

  • @isse4687
    @isse4687 2 года назад

    great review

  • @White1nsane
    @White1nsane Год назад

    What is the clock device you have below your monitor? 😊

  • @wiIdcattm
    @wiIdcattm 2 года назад

    I'm going to put together a Gen. 5 PC next year. I plan on picking this up along with a Black Widow V3 Pro Wireless. I'm not a fan of huge mousepads, so I'm hoping for a V3 Firefly to boot.

  • @fejotore
    @fejotore 2 года назад

    I was expecting your review on this one, finally! although why they went black & white, not fully white on this one?

  • @Golemslord
    @Golemslord Год назад

    man I just got the v3 pro and i love it but the sniper button is a bit annoying as it hits the tip of my thumb sometimes, maybe ill get used to it since everything else is just perfect. Was considering getting the ultimate instead but i rather have the latest tech..

  • @Rekollect82
    @Rekollect82 2 года назад

    Hopefully they make a Naga pro with those upgraded features. I just got one recently but the wireless charging is nice but the USB-C alone is a very, very welcome upgrade that the Naga needs. They should make the dongles USB-C as well already.

    • @killerbsting1621
      @killerbsting1621 Год назад +1

      The naga pro v2 is the updated new version. I just got it. It's awesome

  • @MohammedAhmed-wx2jf
    @MohammedAhmed-wx2jf Год назад

    Where did you get your unboxing knife from?

  • @salmaanjaulim7332
    @salmaanjaulim7332 2 года назад

    hello pls i wnt too knw... your headset ED setting for csgo

  • @at830
    @at830 2 года назад

    Can this vharge with the Firefly Chroma Hyperflux mousepad?

  • @killerbsting1621
    @killerbsting1621 Год назад +2

    The best mouse razer has ever made is the Naga Pro V2.

  • @Miodotwav
    @Miodotwav Год назад

    I'm left handed and i wish razer could make left handed version of this. I want them so badly

  • @ap2.v1
    @ap2.v1 2 года назад

    I find wireless charging pretty slow compare to plug in till fully charged.

  • @IonutE
    @IonutE 2 года назад

    My only issue with this beauty is the spicy spicy price. In EU it is around 210 Euro

  • @luisvictorlimaabreu4605
    @luisvictorlimaabreu4605 2 года назад +1

    Seems like the most premium productivity mouse ever

  • @tahzib1451
    @tahzib1451 2 года назад

    the position of rgb is what i dig on the basilisk v3 model, but i also kinda want the buttons of naga.....

  • @luffyandgokuskits
    @luffyandgokuskits 2 года назад +10

    You finally reviewed it! Honestly way too overpriced compared to original

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад +2

      Yeah... Wasn't the Basilisk Ultimate also super expensive too in the beginning? Now it's at a really good price tbh!

    • @luffyandgokuskits
      @luffyandgokuskits 2 года назад +1

      @@TechBlock yep so maybe that go same for the pro!

  • @officialnucky
    @officialnucky Год назад

    Hi mate. Will you be doing a review of the Leviathan V2 Pro at any point? I already bought one and it is honestly the best sounding soundbar I think I've ever heard. I tried in the The Razer store in London about 3 weeks ago and had to buy it
    Love your content by the way

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  Год назад +1

      I’ve got the Leviathan V2 in my setup. I have some mixed feelings about it tbh, especially when I compared it to my SoundBlaster Katana V2… the Katana sounds miles better, but is also more expensive.
      Have you compared the Leviathan V2 Pro against any other sound bars?

    • @officialnucky
      @officialnucky Год назад

      @@TechBlock I have only compared it to the Harman Kardon speakers in my TV for direct, face on speakers comparison and my old Logitec 5.1 setup, that I gave to my sons for their PC.
      It absolutely blows both of them out of the water for clarity and bass. The V2 Pro can be a little overwhelming for bass, but there's obviously the EQ settings in Synapse to turn it right down.
      I do think for £400 it is well worth the price and I'd definitely recommend going to the Razer store and speaking to Liam to have a go with the V2 Pro. The demo they have is crazy, but sadly you can't get it for home use

  • @garycoleman8906
    @garycoleman8906 Год назад

    can you charge the mouse on the razer wireless charger (charging pad chroma)?

  • @luffyandgokuskits
    @luffyandgokuskits Год назад +2

    I have the original I can say it’s best mouse in the world so this maybe can be too expensive for me but this is THE Perfect Mouse

  • @mjlovejoy
    @mjlovejoy 2 года назад

    how does this compare to the G 502, especially at the price points?

    • @Donbros
      @Donbros Год назад

      Its a bit more comfy

  • @salvac9096
    @salvac9096 2 года назад

    Could it charhe de g pro super light ?

  • @luksterhacker4753
    @luksterhacker4753 2 года назад

    16:00 they just want us to buy the dock for more money, I'm fan of razer but they can make some datils better in my oppinion!

  • @lizplord
    @lizplord 2 года назад +1

    I never knew Razer already copied Logitech's hyperscroll! (The only reason I've been stuck with Logi) Will rather have that RGB blaring serpant any day of the week!

  • @Timness
    @Timness 2 года назад

    yo bro, are u gonna review the razer strider chroma?

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад +1

      Yes I will, just waiting on Razer to send one over 😎

    • @Timness
      @Timness 2 года назад

      @@TechBlock awesome cant wait to watch the vid, idk if i should get it for myself yet but the new lights on it are really tempting

  • @Twosevenboy1
    @Twosevenboy1 2 года назад +2

    logitech>razer products you buying flash with razer you buy performance with logitech

    • @heyyyyo
      @heyyyyo Год назад

      Hell no. The basilisk is way batter than g502. The feel was horrible. It felt cheap and it had my fingerprints on it after like a minute. Also their new blackshark v2 pro is 200$ and logitech's arctis nova pro is literally 350, maybe 300 if you find a deal. Razer is proven to be a way better option (RandomFrankP) so I don't fully agree on what you said. Maybe it was like that in the past tho 🤔🤔

    • @mysticqro950
      @mysticqro950 Год назад

      It’s really just about personal preference and perspective. Each brand has their own product that beats the other . I own the v3 pro basilisk and the g502x plus… and I prefer my Razer mouse more. For keyboards however…. I would definitely go for a Logitech keyboard. For headsets… I would say BlackShark v2 pro (2023) is very good. At least, I’m not biased or a “fanboy” to think a brand is better at everything. My whole setup isn’t just one brand.. it’s a mixture of many peripherals from different brands that I pick out individually because it made them stand out from others. But that’s just my opinion…

  • @Etiennegpeters
    @Etiennegpeters 2 года назад

    Amazing video

  • @johnamir6035
    @johnamir6035 2 года назад +1

    Waiting for razer viper mini pro

  • @KapitanMeyour
    @KapitanMeyour 2 года назад

    Having the original Basilisk, getting replaced 3 times (1+ years in process) before they refuse to replace it again cause of the same issue which is freezing and disconnecting. You need to turn it of and on again, if it doesn't work then you need to reinsert the battery, if that doesn't work then you need to just do it again and again before it starts working again. If you don't believe me then try searching for the issue on reddit or even razer forum, nothing fix this, it keeps on coming back again and again. Razer is also not even fixing this, lol. Not buying more razer.

  • @frostgodx
    @frostgodx 2 года назад

    You can’t use 4000 Hz over wire because there is no such chipset developed in the entire world that can do both wireless and wired 4K polling rate. It’s impossible.

  • @flowsy5294
    @flowsy5294 2 года назад

    At 112 grams this is so damn heavy. Its perfect for a work mouse but for gaming? Not really. If it weighed less, id buy it so fast.

  • @adamtech9835
    @adamtech9835 2 года назад +3

    I got the black V3 Pro as a replacement (plus added money) after having the Basilisk Ultimate replaced 3 times under warranty. Not much of an upgrade especially given the wireless charger sold separately and I prefer the lighting areas of the Ultimate tbh. I just hope this one isn't doesn't have as much issues down the line.

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx 2 года назад

      You’d have to be crazy not to think it’s an upgrade the ultimate switches feel like dog shit. The side buttons suck ass. The skates are worse. The battery is like half of what the v3 pro is.

    • @adamtech9835
      @adamtech9835 2 года назад +1

      @@frostgodx maybe do your research instead of commenting. For instance the battery life on the ultimate is greater than the v3 pro as per the specification and my actual experience. Also to get the full v3 pro wirless experience it would cost you twice as much as buying an ultimate since the wireless charger is sold separately. I could go on but im not bothered

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx 2 года назад +1

      @@adamtech9835 I was just pointing out that you were wrong. I don’t need research I do this stuff for a living. Your wrong on all counts but the price. Stop posting hearsay I have both and know what the deal is your just stuck in the past.

    • @adamtech9835
      @adamtech9835 2 года назад

      🤣 you aint worth my time. Bye

    • @SeanPAllen
      @SeanPAllen Год назад

      ​@@frostgodx *You're 😎

  • @Aonexia
    @Aonexia Год назад

    Guys, can I use this mouse on an Apple computer?

    • @Donbros
      @Donbros Год назад +1

      Razer orochi v2 works perfectly so maybe

  • @eclap78
    @eclap78 Год назад +1

    They actually managed to make a mouse that is heavier than the Basilisk Ultimate. With worse battery life to boost. Go figure.

  • @管管在台灣
    @管管在台灣 2 года назад

    nice video!!!

  • @VM-eo2iw
    @VM-eo2iw 2 года назад

    I’m more of a death adder guy myself but the basilisk is still sexy

  • @RSX0999
    @RSX0999 2 года назад

    Bro review the strider chroma and more stuff ….❤

    • @TechBlock
      @TechBlock  2 года назад

      Waiting on the Strider Chroma still :D

  • @intelligence6900
    @intelligence6900 2 года назад

    Razer killed it man I ordered the same thing I been waiting for a long time for a white basilisk

  • @dokydukic
    @dokydukic Год назад

    Basically 502X

  • @Brickedupwithjeff
    @Brickedupwithjeff 2 года назад

    LOVE the white mouse

  • @MegaUnavailableusern
    @MegaUnavailableusern 2 года назад

    way too heavy. I just finished with a g502 and moved on to the viper v2 pro. This thing isn't even close to a hardcore gaming mouse.

  • @samershaaban2386
    @samershaaban2386 10 месяцев назад

    dude. where is Basilisk Ultimate ?!!!

  • @ToastyTM
    @ToastyTM 2 года назад

    I couldn't imagine playing with anything above 60g

  • @Haler102
    @Haler102 Год назад

    We have to pay 160$ and we have to buy mouse dock separately? no thanks. Razer, I don't think you're feeling well

  • @zxylac9010
    @zxylac9010 Год назад

    ripped sensitivity clutch off icl was getting in the way of how i gripped my mouse

  • @xspvv
    @xspvv 2 года назад +1

    Basilisk is really specific and doesnt fit for most players, most people now want lightweight under 70 gram minimum mice, insane sensors and other crap, so the basilisk went from being super popular like the G502, to basically being for attached players or those that arent really FPS fans and also those that dont care about weight
    i'd use a basilisk v3 pro if i was forced to use it over a razer viper v2 pro but it would take some time to get used to

    • @christianhuffman7440
      @christianhuffman7440 Год назад

      Lol most players? Speak for yourself bud. 50 grams doesn't make the diffrence. That's just a mental personal preference thing. If your really a serious gamer the weight helps with flicking accuracy.

  • @goldenplectrum9695
    @goldenplectrum9695 2 года назад

    Logitech g903 is supreme! Looks amazing
    Razor basilisk is meh i ve g604 its better imo

  • @joebee1459
    @joebee1459 2 года назад

    I just want a viper mini v2 pro

  • @bdmpotato
    @bdmpotato 2 года назад

    Finally in white

  • @rodrigofernety
    @rodrigofernety 2 года назад

    Those docks are always out of stock

  • @Daneos6
    @Daneos6 2 года назад

    the polling rate is a marketing stuff they want you to buy the loadingstation money money money :)

  • @christc0409
    @christc0409 2 года назад +1

    that black stripe bugs me off, looks untidy. plus the basilisk will always be remembered as the g502 copycat.