What really pisses me off is that guys in the media like Cowherd are criticizing Jordan saying he was bein “fake”...and praising Lebron, saying “don’t u want your athletes bein real?”...the media picks and chooses who they wanna support
You're right. I'm not saying "Michael" isn't fake but Cowherd's argument that LeBron is authentic is ridiculous. LeBron chooses when to be real and when to be "Fake" as in being passive aggressive in his tweets and behind the scenes action.
And a disgraceful 0-4 swept.. His not definitely the goat! Kyrie hit the game winner and carry half the load! He doesn't even considered his teammates!
A list of LeBron's contemporaries... Duncan is 2-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... Kawhi is 1-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... Dirk is 1-0 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... Curry is 3-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... KD is 2-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... So, who's the G.O.A.T. ???
Kyrie hit the game winner against GS, ....Ray Allen hit the game winner against SA. “When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you.”------Walter Payton
Marzan Worldwide ray hit the shot by a missing 3 from lbj. Kyrie from an iso. Both have nothing to do with the team system or lebron. Lebron just got some good luck.
@@iang7244 not true! Haha thats what everyone in the media wants! so your putting padstats in the table?? Go ahead! Haha when bird and mj magic we're interviewed there are questions about who's the greatest kobe or lebron larry said if you want to have fun go with bron, if you want to win championship go with kobe! Jordan was asked simple..5 beats 3.. And played more mins. Every game, His as cursed as iam! Magic was asked.. Bron is dominant and strong but he never have that killer instinct MJ has or KOBE mamba mentality had, his entertaining but never was a final finisher! And kobe is the greatest laker player of all time, I'm actually fan! 0-4 swept did kobe ever been in that situation?? bron is history for being the 1st team whoever got swept in the finals! More losses than win! Media is the only thing kept him alive their narratives are contagiously poisonous! If you insisted the teams and players they ever played with shaq is good also paul and derek fisher! Who aide kobe! Facts but what about bron's he got a 2007 mvp champion d.wade also bosh and in cavs k.love, jr. Smith and a game winner player kyrie who saved his ass in 2016 but never got the fame he deserves.. Sure kobe is a ball hog like mj, but they never cease a great opportunity to attack relentlessly! Their cold killers in the court! While bron loves to pass assist he almost done everything but knowing why he'd done that to padstats in his resume were he can just shoot the the damn ball wide open.. No need to showoff! And defensive play wise kobe is much more consistent! People disregard him over lebron but its just pure facts! Kobe is better than lebron!
How could the Warriors have been the greatest team of all time if the Cavs beat them??! I repeat....How could the Warriors have been the greatest team of all time if the Cavs beat them??! Smh. The Warriors went 15-9 in the postseason, becoming the first team in NBA history to have just as many losses in the postseason as they had in the regular season. *OVERRATED!!!!*
So this where we going now??? Soo correct me if I'm wrong, 2011 Mavs had 1 All-star Dirk, to Miami's 3 All-star Bron, Wade & Bosh, Dirk n the Mavs beat the Miami, does the make Dirk the Goat cause he beat a team of 3 Allstars? Who mind you were all younger then him?
I could never call a guy who quits on his team mid series the greatest of all time. He quit against the Celtics before he bolted to Miami. He quit against Golden State last year. And no one who is the greatest would ever call themselves that. Jordan, Kareem, Russel, Wilt, and others have a greater claim to that title.
What Bron MISSED was that The 73/9 Warriors were NOT COMPLETE??? ANDREW BOGUT? DIDN'T PLAY? INJURED! DRAYMON GREEN? GOT SUSPENDED! ANDRE. IGGY? BACK WAS MESSED UP! and STEPH CURRY SHOT BADLY, TURNED BALL OVER TO MUCH. THIS WAS THE TEAM BRON BEAT!??? NOW WINNING IS WINNING...BUT! SERIOUSLY? When BOTH TEAMS came back FULLY HEALTHY and PLAYED AGAIN...WHAT HAPPENED?? BRON LOST! NO EXCUSES! NO SUSPENSIONS! ALL HEALTHY! HE LOST!! Then when KD got there BRON LOST 2 MORE TIMES!
@tony tonyt First GSW were INDEED A GREAT TEAM! BUT!! Remember they went in at MUCH LESS then FULL STRENGTH? ANDREW BOGUT was INJURED? MISSED THE SERIES? IGGY had a BAD BACK? which made him MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE? DRAYMON got SUSPENDED? and LASTLY CURRY SHOT FAIRLY? Not at what we are USE TO SEEING frm him? And he became TURNOVER PRONE? So YES! A WIN is A WIN...BUT! Like the YEAR BEFORE..when KYRIE MISSED THE SERIES THEY WERE HAMPERED!? NOW there WAS A 3rd TIE BREAKER? BOTH TEAMS were HEALTHY and at FULL STRENGTH! GS WON! Forget about AFTER KD got there. So THIS PARTICULAR CLAIM...ISN'T ALL THAT IMPRESSIVE? Still A WIN IS A WIN!
tony tonyt moron....JORDAN SWEPT a defending champ and beat magic and kareem (multiple champs). When MJ won his first, he DOMINATED until he retired, came back and DOMINATED again. Hence their is NO narrative of him beating any other Champ because he denied all his contemporaries from holding such title unlike LBJ whose dominance was equally match by his contemporaries and most times got DOMINATED (UR goat and SELF PROCLAIM WEAK king😨🤣🤣). YOU ARE DENSE AND DELUSIONAL LIKE LEBRON!!😨🤣🤣 Lebron tries to control narratives. That's all he has left. True greats don't force it on people, they just put it all on the floor, stop everyone that's in front of them and let their legacy speak for itself and the SMART (logical) people decide while the indolent spew opinions and use arbitrary goal posts to defend their argument!
Everyone has there opinion I'm a older man I grew up in the era of Jordan and Montana Marino Kelly Elway etc etc... So for me it's Jordan and Montana especially Montana the beating QBs took in the 80s was brutal... So everyone has their favorite those are mine
Montana stats are still better over all than Brady stats so it's not even close! Montana and Mario are the 1 and 2 quarterbacks! Marino is the greatest quarterback to have never win a Super Bowl!
He is the G.O.A.T. The Gayest of all time, not to mention a fake virtue signaling twat who I wish I’d never even paid attention to or spent money on buying his first few shoes. Could care less what happens to JaBron Lames from here on out, like career ending injuries trade with Derrick Rose which he never deserved
mel low the Chicago bears won in the 80s. Pointless though totally different sports. It’s something the desperate media put out there. Jordan lead Bulls won the bulls all of their titles in their existence 6 to Lebron Cavs 1. That makes Lebron look bad so they said all pro sports. Baltimore Ravens used to be the Cleveland Browns like New Orleans Pelicans used to be the Charlotte Hornets. Ravens won 2 Super Bowls in last 18 years but they don’t count because the new Cleveland Browns get the old Cleveland Browns records who are really the Baltimore Ravens. 🤷♂️
Yes his role is as a free agent that signs to the best franchise with the most pieces to get him a title within 2 seasons. So far he is 2-2 at this role, Heat 2nd season title, Cavs 2nd season title.
Really so that makes him goat?? While he never did make his team better or let them one damn moment outshined him! He loves to hug the spot light! Guess he is now..! But truth always whip him back hard!
LeBron and all his little followers just disrespected all other Great players, how did you feel when you lost to Dallas, San Antonio, Golden State LeBron?? By the way, didn’t Kyrie hit the Game 7 winning 3 pointer LeBron? I think we all know why Kyrie left now.
y'all realize how when Lebron made that statement on his show how he had all his CLOSE friends only up there , he didn't have nobody else who would've been like " idk about that one Bron"
@@sams2021_3 you can't be dumb enough to believe that? He was on his show recording it for it show on ESPN. You can't sell that bs that he didn't know. He knew.
I wasnt too impressed with that Cavs chip for LBJ to be called the GOAT. The strategy was play pick and roll so Curry A SMALL GUARD would have to switch out on James and James then bully Curry to the basket. I'm supposed to give credit for that? Credit for James being able to bullyball small Curry? Who in their right mind would think MJ couldnt do that? James being the GOAT is a joke. Spare me the laugh.
@@vangxiong9643 Jason Terry was much more of a defensive hawk than Curry is. Not saying that Curry don't play D but Terry was like a little nat that gets under your skin as far as defense.
For me Lebron is not even top 5. I value WINNING over everything. So my list is 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Bill Russell 4. Magic 5. Kobe 6. Duncan 7. Lebron 8. Bird 9. Shaq 10. Hakeem 11. Wilt
PoliArt ofcourse you RUclips people can’t read. I say I value winning over everything. I didn’t say it was the ONLY thing. Russell is high in my books but because if his era I can’t put him number one. Jordan and Kareem cross off all the boxes for me. Also, it is my opinion and don’t care if it makes sense to the idiots of RUclips
@@Mr.Laker19 hahahahahahahhaah OKAY. My apoligy. let me rephrase if you value WINNING over everything Russell would be Number 1, LBJ 2 because he won more playoff games that every body else on your list but carry one with you flawed logic.
PoliArt your logic is a losers logic. You get no credit for winning games. I credit winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. You Lebronsexuals are losers who still have your 6th place little league trophies in your house somewhere. 3-6 record in the finals with two sweeps, two gentleman sweeps, the biggest choke job in finals history against the Mavs and the biggest loss margin in history against the spurs pushes you way down. But you losers are just losers, and that’s why I don’t value your opinion
you give me jordan/pippen.. you pick your starting 5 from ALL of nba history... i pick the rest of my starting 5.. and REGARDLESS of the 5 you picked ... my starting 5 will win EVERY 7 game series ever
This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael Jordan is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron was in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of the Year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shooting 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. MJ has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career.
Tf is Broussard taking about.. "alot of young guys" refer to Kobe as the Goat.. More Players and People say MJ or Kobe.. The only people that say LeBron is the media that pushed the narrative
LBJ dropped defense for 4/5 years, and he didnt dominate his era in terms of championships . So LBJ The GOAT : NO But of course, it's an extremely well conducted communication by LBJ since 2016, and millenials adhere to it for lack of knowledge.
The Buffalo Bills of the late 80's early 90's four Super bowl appearances....quarterback Jim kelly, Defensive end Bruce smith....but no"WINS" so Just because you may have went to the big dance more than someone else ultimately it's about "Winning"! PERIOD. Question- what record would you prefer your legacy to be associated with as an athlete a 3 -- 6 record or a 6 - 0 record in Championship play?
@Kenneth Erickson....Thank you Kenneth! People act as if they don't see the obvious. I like Labeon but he is clearly delusional or just selling his brand to the new generations. He has a losing record of 3-6 in Championship BASKETBALL more than any of the greats it ain't even comparable....that's what's so funny about this ridiculous statement Labron made.
Lebron if you beat the warriors with curry injured, bogut injured, iguadola injured and on top of that no draymond on game 5 it doesnt make you the G.O.A.T. get it? Beating an incomplete team= not the G.O.A.T
Would someone please ask Lebron how he felt after getting swept for the second time in the NBA finals...Does the GOAT get swept and quits on his team? I don't think so....LeBron has too many Yes Man around kissing his ass....That's why so many people are happy that LeBron is being exposed....
YOUNG GUYS SAY KOBE SHOULD NO NOT EVEN “THE MEDIA AND THE NEW GENERATION THE YOUNG GUYS YOU INFLUENCE ” say lebron is the best player guys my age 25 who where born watching Kobe , he should be in the conversation Kobe is an amazing player and way better then lebron ever could be
Lebron feels...he's the goat in his head.....Thats his right... I get that its a free Country ....ok! But...and I say But... 6 will always be more then 3...just like 11 is better then 6... But The Humble road, is always the high road... DROP THE MIC🎤
Lol merril street I don't think LBJ will not win 6 or 5 rings prob 1 more ring if any 73 52 years definitely don't make LBJ the goat 73 definitely not even top 5,6 greatest team of all time
Of course lechokes nut huggers like maverick and rich Paul were saying lebum is the greatest cuz they've become sucessfull off lebrons career. They'd be nowhere if lebron wasn't who he is. Being 3-6 in the finals, choking in 2011 finals and getting locked up by jj barrea, and being down 3-1 and discounting kyries finals stats doesn't make you the goat. Lmao.
So beating 2016 warriors makes you the goat after being down 3-1? Lmao. What about your 2011 finals choke job? What does that make you? Most glorified player ever... I bet kyrie has a lot to say about that finals. He was averaging similar pts as lebron and hit the shot of shots. Lol I bet he feels like he's goat as well. 😂😂😂
Chris, stop trying to make up a reason why he said it. It's like you are trying to justify what he said. Most people know that Mike is the G.O.A.T. the fact the he said he was the G.O.A.T means he really don't. Maybe he felt he wasn't getting enough press, you guys know he needs atencion, he is a diva.
Lebron James is an absolute tool. Great player, but the biggest tool nonetheless. No humility. No class. Disconnected from reality as his dad was with him.
And talking on a Mic about how black people are being done here in this Babylon doesn't make him Ali either because Ali took stands when I pertains to black people that could have cost him his life!!!! LeBron has never done that so when I hear y'all talking about LeBron James in the same breath as mohammad Ali. I feel disrespected and every other black person should feel disrespected. there has never been another Mohammed Ali and LeBron isn't even close so stop it with these comparisons to Ali because Ali was and still in a class all by himself . and the fact that you dudes put him as this Ali figure as if he is the closest to Ali speaks volumes because I've only seen one black athlete stand up for us to the point he lost everything he fought so hard to acomplish and that is Colin Kaepernick how dare you speak of LeBron as if he is the closest to Ali. Collin kaepernick is the very embodiment of Muhammad Ali not LeBron
Kyrie did something special not Lebron, he’s seriously trying to talk this in to existence. The media has created and ran with something that just isn’t there.
Chris Broussad wanna say Lebron is the GOAT so bad, he about to have a heart attack......this is the most media generated agenda driven debate ever, in any realm......to prop up Lebron, everyone else has to be trashed and diminished.....it was the exact opposite with Jordan, the players he competed against when he played were given their props which elevated the magnitude of Jordan's greatness......when this all crashes, they're not going to know what to do or talk about........
Chris Broussard has said multiple times he puts Jordan above LeBron. He even has put out stats to back it up and gives a better argument than skip bayless. Chris Broussard can tear up LeBron because Jordan really is the GOAT.
MJ the undisputed GOAT. He did it on both ends of the floor. No one in Jordan’s ear can say they ate of his plate in the Finals. Too many ppl in LeBron’s era has eaten off his plate.
Lebron can't match the sacrifice that Ali made for what he believed in. Ali was stripped of his titles and boxing license for 4 years because he refused to participate in the Vietnam war. His case went all the way to the supreme court. We forget what this man sacrificed in the name of social justice. I don't care what Ali's wife says, Lebron is not the Ali of this generation, but a strong argument can be made that Colin Kaepernick is.
Also that means you should have ended your career right there in 2016 before advancing further because I've seen no Goat in the sport win a title then two finals later lose and get swept 0-4 out the finals. That's not goat status, LeBron u a real work of art 🤣😂😂😂
Rob Parker... Before you go pinning all of these roses for class and humility on Michael Jordan... I suggest you revisit his 9/11/2009 Hall of Fame Speech when he flew in the man who was drafted by the Bulls before him just to humiliate him and make him The Ass of his jokes. Can you imagine what you would said about LeBron James if he did that???
Michael Jordan Wilt Chamberlain Kareem Abdul Jabbar Larry Bird Magic Johnson Kobe Bryant Bill Russell Oscar Robinson Hakeem Olajawan Shaquille O'Neal Notice no LeBron James. He just isn't on there level
Why y’all taking his statement out of context he saying from his personal view not from public view sport analyst don’t have nothing to talking about lol smh now if he would have said this go to show that I’m the greatest player of all time
I guess Chris Broussard the light skinned militant never heard of Jack Johnson. As much as he talks of Trump you'd think he'd mention him because he was the 1st brash black boxer not Ali and btw he was pardoned by Trump.
When LeBron got booed at the Superbowl; I laughed my ass off. HAD THAT BEEN MJ THEY SHOWED ON THE JUMBOTRON; THE CROWD WOULD'VE CHEEED THEIR ASSES OFF! NOW TELL ME IM WRONG!
The difference is Jordan is self aware and not delusional. Jordan was about winning not creating a narrative.
Not padding stats
Totally he a lost soul with alot of money and fame.
@@wilsonpereira6581 first you can't judge lebron because of the 2011 finals but he can be judged by the 2016 finals wtf no sense what so ever
@tony tonyt he was passed his prime .at the age of 40 lebron will be retired watching sports center all day no one will give a shit about him
@@ricardolozano6265 dont waste ur time... this tony dude has been all over youtube. he is a certified Bronsexual
Jordan 10 times better than LBJ he only talked about his contemporaries
Dirk Nowitzki should have said he is the GOAT when he defeated the big three in Miami for the NBA Championship.
This dude lebron has no respect for others; so others should not respect him.
What really pisses me off is that guys in the media like Cowherd are criticizing Jordan saying he was bein “fake”...and praising Lebron, saying “don’t u want your athletes bein real?”...the media picks and chooses who they wanna support
Lebron is fake as well
You're right. I'm not saying "Michael" isn't fake but Cowherd's argument that LeBron is authentic is ridiculous. LeBron chooses when to be real and when to be "Fake" as in being passive aggressive in his tweets and behind the scenes action.
Even when doing the right thing.. they find a way to make you look bad 😂
Ben Daulton I would not care, no
Jordan said he would love to play AGAINST wilt and those past legends and lebron would say he would LOVE to play WITH those legends.
#yourkingisweak
Bingo
Is this your king?! Lol MJ the GREATEST EVER
This is the best comment so far on this video.
@Ronald M hell yea lol
@Ronald M his big ass woulda grabbed kobe t mac kareem shaq wilt david robinsin steph and antetekumpo and lost lol
You're 1-3 against the Warriors and that one made you the GOAT? So what is Curry for beating the "GOAT" for all 3 championships??
Ding!!!
Steph, Klay and Draymond are saying the same thing to each other.
Niiiiiice!!!!
Lebron makes no sense what so ever Jordan was on the 70 win team he has to beat himself then
And a disgraceful 0-4 swept.. His not definitely the goat! Kyrie hit the game winner and carry half the load! He doesn't even considered his teammates!
So i guess Eli manning should be the goat cuz he beat the undefeated patriots in Super Bowl , a real upset unlike 2016 finals.
Same thing... Hahahahaha!!!
John elway for super bowl 32 against green bay
Giants beat the Patriots twice in the super bowl
Exactly
Facts
A list of LeBron's contemporaries...
Duncan is 2-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals...
Kawhi is 1-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals...
Dirk is 1-0 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals...
Curry is 3-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals...
KD is 2-1 vs LeBron in the NBA Finals... So, who's the G.O.A.T. ???
Facts
And he needed Kobe to win his first gold medal.
@@KM-mq1nv Forgot Lebron and them got that Bronze and had us going out sad to Argentina
@@Watchingvideoslikeu Yup. Kobe wasn't gonna let that happen.
@Legendary Hoops at missing free throws
LeBrom moved to LA to be closer to his steroid supplier
Gary Smith ouch
LBJ is as close to MJ as I am: We both ain't close
U guys created this Frankenstein since2002 when he was on the cover of sport illustrated
his attitude didn't change much when he played in the 2004 Olympics in Athens and 2006 FIBA World Cup in Japan..."disrespectful" and "distasteful"
LeBron's lost six NBA finals. Anyone else tired of hearing this clown? Shut your pie hole LeBron and just play ball. We'll make the "GOAT" decision.
Exactly everytime he opens his mouth something stupid comes out!!
So Eli is the goat because he beat the 18-0 Pats? FOH
John elway super bowl 32 against the packers and Brett Favre
Kyrie hit the game winner against GS, ....Ray Allen hit the game winner against SA.
“When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you.”------Walter Payton
Marzan Worldwide ray hit the shot by a missing 3 from lbj. Kyrie from an iso. Both have nothing to do with the team system or lebron. Lebron just got some good luck.
Lebron had 16pts in the 4th quarter when Ray hit that shot to force a game 7. In game 7 Lebron had 37 and 12.....You were saying??
Jordan also said in that same clip that his team was the greatest team! He spoke of the team not him
Jordan is the G.O.A.T, thank you guys for show that clip from Jordan🙌
Kobe better than LBJ
Yeah kobe is!! Better than lbj!
Better at what?
@@iang7244 everything! Facts
@@cheezlayer Ok. Kobe is better at nothing. Facts!
That isnt an argument. Why do you think Kobe is better than Lebron?
@@iang7244 not true! Haha thats what everyone in the media wants! so your putting padstats in the table?? Go ahead! Haha when bird and mj magic we're interviewed there are questions about who's the greatest kobe or lebron
larry said if you want to have fun go with bron, if you want to win championship go with kobe!
Jordan was asked simple..5 beats 3.. And played more mins. Every game, His as cursed as iam!
Magic was asked.. Bron is dominant and strong but he never have that killer instinct MJ has or KOBE mamba mentality had, his entertaining but never was a final finisher! And kobe is the greatest laker player of all time, I'm actually fan!
0-4 swept did kobe ever been in that situation?? bron is history for being the 1st team whoever got swept in the finals! More losses than win! Media is the only thing kept him alive their narratives are contagiously poisonous! If you insisted the teams and players they ever played with shaq is good also paul and derek fisher! Who aide kobe! Facts but what about bron's he got a 2007 mvp champion d.wade also bosh and in cavs k.love, jr. Smith and a game winner player kyrie who saved his ass in 2016 but never got the fame he deserves..
Sure kobe is a ball hog like mj, but they never cease a great opportunity to attack relentlessly! Their cold killers in the court! While bron loves to pass assist he almost done everything but knowing why he'd done that to padstats in his resume were he can just shoot the the damn ball wide open.. No need to showoff! And defensive play wise kobe is much more consistent! People disregard him over lebron but its just pure facts! Kobe is better than lebron!
How could the Warriors have been the greatest team of all time if the Cavs beat them??! I repeat....How could the Warriors have been the greatest team of all time if the Cavs beat them??! Smh. The Warriors went 15-9 in the postseason, becoming the first team in NBA history to have just as many losses in the postseason as they had in the regular season. *OVERRATED!!!!*
Exactly. Not the greatest team if they lost.
So this where we going now??? Soo correct me if I'm wrong, 2011 Mavs had 1 All-star Dirk, to Miami's 3 All-star Bron, Wade & Bosh, Dirk n the Mavs beat the Miami, does the make Dirk the Goat cause he beat a team of 3 Allstars? Who mind you were all younger then him?
I could never call a guy who quits on his team mid series the greatest of all time. He quit against the Celtics before he bolted to Miami. He quit against Golden State last year. And no one who is the greatest would ever call themselves that. Jordan, Kareem, Russel, Wilt, and others have a greater claim to that title.
The 73 and 9 team was not the best team assembled. The kd warriors were better then that team. And bron lost to them
Andrew Kalesh that 73-9 team almost got knocked out by the thunder
What Bron MISSED was that The 73/9 Warriors were NOT COMPLETE??? ANDREW BOGUT? DIDN'T PLAY? INJURED! DRAYMON GREEN? GOT SUSPENDED! ANDRE. IGGY? BACK WAS MESSED UP! and STEPH CURRY SHOT BADLY, TURNED BALL OVER TO MUCH. THIS WAS THE TEAM BRON BEAT!??? NOW WINNING IS WINNING...BUT! SERIOUSLY? When BOTH TEAMS came back FULLY HEALTHY and PLAYED AGAIN...WHAT HAPPENED?? BRON LOST! NO EXCUSES! NO SUSPENSIONS! ALL HEALTHY! HE LOST!! Then when KD got there BRON LOST 2 MORE TIMES!
@tony tonyt First GSW were INDEED A GREAT TEAM! BUT!! Remember they went in at MUCH LESS then FULL STRENGTH? ANDREW BOGUT was INJURED? MISSED THE SERIES? IGGY had a BAD BACK? which made him MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE? DRAYMON got SUSPENDED? and LASTLY CURRY SHOT FAIRLY? Not at what we are USE TO SEEING frm him? And he became TURNOVER PRONE? So YES! A WIN is A WIN...BUT! Like the YEAR BEFORE..when KYRIE MISSED THE SERIES THEY WERE HAMPERED!? NOW there WAS A 3rd TIE BREAKER? BOTH TEAMS were HEALTHY and at FULL STRENGTH! GS WON! Forget about AFTER KD got there. So THIS PARTICULAR CLAIM...ISN'T ALL THAT IMPRESSIVE? Still A WIN IS A WIN!
tony tonyt moron....JORDAN SWEPT a defending champ and beat magic and kareem (multiple champs).
When MJ won his first, he DOMINATED until he retired, came back and DOMINATED again. Hence their is NO narrative of him beating any other Champ because he denied all his contemporaries from holding such title unlike LBJ whose dominance was equally match by his contemporaries and most times got DOMINATED (UR goat and SELF PROCLAIM WEAK king😨🤣🤣).
YOU ARE DENSE AND DELUSIONAL LIKE LEBRON!!😨🤣🤣
Lebron tries to control narratives. That's all he has left. True greats don't force it on people, they just put it all on the floor, stop everyone that's in front of them and let their legacy speak for itself and the SMART (logical) people decide while the indolent spew opinions and use arbitrary goal posts to defend their argument!
@@kraziegenius2900 100% agree
Everyone has there opinion I'm a older man I grew up in the era of Jordan and Montana Marino Kelly Elway etc etc... So for me it's Jordan and Montana especially Montana the beating QBs took in the 80s was brutal... So everyone has their favorite those are mine
Montana stats are still better over all than Brady stats so it's not even close! Montana and Mario are the 1 and 2 quarterbacks! Marino is the greatest quarterback to have never win a Super Bowl!
Lebron never won shit until he sold out to Miami and DWade and Pat Riley taught him. D Wade is the #RealMVP. Phil Jackson had zero rings until Jordan.
I only disagree with one thing my man Phil won a championship on the Knicks in the 70s as a player
He is the G.O.A.T. The Gayest of all time, not to mention a fake virtue signaling twat who I wish I’d never even paid attention to or spent money on buying his first few shoes. Could care less what happens to JaBron Lames from here on out, like career ending injuries trade with Derrick Rose which he never deserved
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Didn’t Chicago have a bigger drought? Like their two baseball teams didn’t win a combine total of almost 200 years😂
mel low the Chicago bears won in the 80s. Pointless though totally different sports. It’s something the desperate media put out there.
Jordan lead Bulls won the bulls all of their titles in their existence 6 to Lebron Cavs 1. That makes Lebron look bad so they said all pro sports.
Baltimore Ravens used to be the Cleveland Browns like New Orleans Pelicans used to be the Charlotte Hornets. Ravens won 2 Super Bowls in last 18 years but they don’t count because the new Cleveland Browns get the old Cleveland Browns records who are really the Baltimore Ravens. 🤷♂️
Didnt lebron have sore real drought like getting swept in the finals, someting mj never done😆😅😄😃😂😁
Lebron is a Role Player
Lebron plays all the roles, he has never learned to dumb down his offensive game and focus a little more on defense
M Cole yeah like waterboy, towel boy, ball boy etc
Glorified (all around) role player...
Yes his role is as a free agent that signs to the best franchise with the most pieces to get him a title within 2 seasons. So far he is 2-2 at this role, Heat 2nd season title, Cavs 2nd season title.
Really so that makes him goat?? While he never did make his team better or let them one damn moment outshined him! He loves to hug the spot light!
Guess he is now..! But truth always whip him back hard!
Lebron doesn't have the charisma of Ali's little toe.
LeBron and all his little followers just disrespected all other Great players, how did you feel when you lost to Dallas, San Antonio, Golden State LeBron?? By the way, didn’t Kyrie hit the Game 7 winning 3 pointer LeBron? I think we all know why Kyrie left now.
ikr 3-6 finals record n SAVED by Ray Allen n Kyrie, Lebron is most overrated player all time
y'all realize how when Lebron made that statement on his show how he had all his CLOSE friends only up there , he didn't have nobody else who would've been like " idk about that one Bron"
Even at that, they all stayed quiet when he was sucking himself off. I think even they didn't agree on the low.
Also LeBron didn't know there were cameras in the room and it would be on his ESPN special. Smh.
@@sams2021_3 you can't be dumb enough to believe that? He was on his show recording it for it show on ESPN. You can't sell that bs that he didn't know. He knew.
To top it off When lebrick said that one of his boys looked away and was like " yeah right"!
I wasnt too impressed with that Cavs chip for LBJ to be called the GOAT. The strategy was play pick and roll so Curry A SMALL GUARD would have to switch out on James and James then bully Curry to the basket. I'm supposed to give credit for that? Credit for James being able to bullyball small Curry? Who in their right mind would think MJ couldnt do that? James being the GOAT is a joke. Spare me the laugh.
Actually that was pretty impressive for lebron vs curry.. when mavs ran zone defense lebron couldnt score on a 6'2 jason terry and 5'10 jj berea lol.
@@vangxiong9643 facts 😂😂😂😂😂
@@vangxiong9643 Jason Terry was much more of a defensive hawk than Curry is. Not saying that Curry don't play D but Terry was like a little nat that gets under your skin as far as defense.
The Draymond suspension and the injuries to Iguadala and Bogut were the turning point.. nothing else..
For me Lebron is not even top 5. I value WINNING over everything. So my list is 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Bill Russell 4. Magic 5. Kobe 6. Duncan 7. Lebron 8. Bird 9. Shaq 10. Hakeem 11. Wilt
you list makes no sense bro, if you value winning Russell would be number 1
PoliArt ofcourse you RUclips people can’t read. I say I value winning over everything. I didn’t say it was the ONLY thing. Russell is high in my books but because if his era I can’t put him number one. Jordan and Kareem cross off all the boxes for me. Also, it is my opinion and don’t care if it makes sense to the idiots of RUclips
@@Mr.Laker19 hahahahahahahhaah OKAY. My apoligy. let me rephrase if you value WINNING over everything Russell would be Number 1, LBJ 2 because he won more playoff games that every body else on your list but carry one with you flawed logic.
PoliArt your logic is a losers logic. You get no credit for winning games. I credit winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. You Lebronsexuals are losers who still have your 6th place little league trophies in your house somewhere. 3-6 record in the finals with two sweeps, two gentleman sweeps, the biggest choke job in finals history against the Mavs and the biggest loss margin in history against the spurs pushes you way down. But you losers are just losers, and that’s why I don’t value your opinion
Bird #3
you give me jordan/pippen.. you pick your starting 5 from ALL of nba history... i pick the rest of my starting 5.. and REGARDLESS of the 5 you picked ... my starting 5 will win EVERY 7 game series ever
Gene jordan WOW
This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael Jordan is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron was in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of the Year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shooting 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. MJ has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career.
Lebron is the GOAT! Going On Another Team!
They never said it publicly because it’s Corny asf lmao
Tf is Broussard taking about.. "alot of young guys" refer to Kobe as the Goat..
More Players and People say MJ or Kobe..
The only people that say LeBron is the media that pushed the narrative
LeBron isn't a GOAT he is more like a pre madonna! He ain't the GOAT! So stop it!
LBJ dropped defense for 4/5 years, and he didnt dominate his era in terms of championships .
So LBJ The GOAT : NO
But of course, it's an extremely well conducted communication by LBJ since 2016, and millenials adhere to it for lack of knowledge.
The Buffalo Bills of the late 80's early 90's four Super bowl appearances....quarterback Jim kelly, Defensive end Bruce smith....but no"WINS" so Just because you may have went to the big dance more than someone else ultimately it's about "Winning"! PERIOD. Question- what record would you prefer your legacy to be associated with as an athlete a 3 -- 6 record or a 6 - 0 record in Championship play?
@Kenneth Erickson....Thank you Kenneth! People act as if they don't see the obvious. I like Labeon but he is clearly delusional or just selling his brand to the new generations. He has a losing record of 3-6 in Championship BASKETBALL more than any of the greats it ain't even comparable....that's what's so funny about this ridiculous statement Labron made.
Lebron if you beat the warriors with curry injured, bogut injured, iguadola injured and on top of that no draymond on game 5 it doesnt make you the G.O.A.T. get it?
Beating an incomplete team= not the G.O.A.T
whats understood doesn't need to be said
Jordan
Kobe
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Hakeem
Lebron
Hes about number 9
Kareem would be #2, Magic #3 and I would put Shaq above Hakeem but everyone else is good where they are.... Well Kobe would be #6 for me also....
@@NeoBrown2k11 yeah I forget about Shaq he gotta b number 9 Bron is about number 10
Kobe not top 5 n Lebron is mos def not top TEN
Lebron is not top ten
Lebron n Shaq was on same team n no ring
Would someone please ask Lebron how he felt after getting swept for the second time in the NBA finals...Does the GOAT get swept and quits on his team? I don't think so....LeBron has too many Yes Man around kissing his ass....That's why so many people are happy that LeBron is being exposed....
2007 and 2011 Finals alone make him way worse than Jordan, the numbers he put up in those finals are absolute DOGSHIT
what you people don't understand is insecurity make people crave for attention instead of putting in the work to make people call you the greatest...
Like that Nas in the background.
YOUNG GUYS SAY KOBE SHOULD NO NOT EVEN “THE MEDIA AND THE NEW GENERATION THE YOUNG GUYS YOU INFLUENCE ” say lebron is the best player guys my age 25 who where born watching Kobe , he should be in the conversation Kobe is an amazing player and way better then lebron ever could be
LeBron James will never be the GOAT that's the bottom line
Lebron feels...he's the goat in his head.....Thats his right... I get that its a free Country ....ok!
But...and I say But...
6 will always be more then 3...just like 11 is better then 6...
But The Humble road, is always the high road...
DROP THE MIC🎤
Lol merril street I don't think LBJ will not win 6 or 5 rings prob 1 more ring if any 73 52 years definitely don't make LBJ the goat 73 definitely not even top 5,6 greatest team of all time
Lebron loves the spot light all about him. Remember the DECISION now the SHOP. Talking about himself SMH
Of course lechokes nut huggers like maverick and rich Paul were saying lebum is the greatest cuz they've become sucessfull off lebrons career. They'd be nowhere if lebron wasn't who he is. Being 3-6 in the finals, choking in 2011 finals and getting locked up by jj barrea, and being down 3-1 and discounting kyries finals stats doesn't make you the goat. Lmao.
So beating 2016 warriors makes you the goat after being down 3-1? Lmao. What about your 2011 finals choke job? What does that make you? Most glorified player ever... I bet kyrie has a lot to say about that finals. He was averaging similar pts as lebron and hit the shot of shots. Lol I bet he feels like he's goat as well. 😂😂😂
Ali bragged about being the GOAT while fighting the best. LeBron doesn't compete against the best. He joins them.
Chris, stop trying to make up a reason why he said it. It's like you are trying to justify what he said. Most people know that Mike is the G.O.A.T. the fact the he said he was the G.O.A.T means he really don't. Maybe he felt he wasn't getting enough press, you guys know he needs atencion, he is a diva.
MJ IS THE GOAT 🐐
MJ prevented the 90s greats to have rings.
Bron gave rings to both prime and oldies in the 2000s.
"GOAT"
Lebron James is an absolute tool. Great player, but the biggest tool nonetheless. No humility. No class. Disconnected from reality as his dad was with him.
Lebron failed to bring gold 2004 Olympics for team USA. He needed kobe at 2008 to beat Spain
What about kyrie.. having almost 28 points a game why doesn't he get any credit from what he did from LeBron?
And talking on a Mic about how black people are being done here in this Babylon doesn't make him Ali either because Ali took stands when I pertains to black people that could have cost him his life!!!! LeBron has never done that so when I hear y'all talking about LeBron James in the same breath as mohammad Ali. I feel disrespected and every other black person should feel disrespected. there has never been another Mohammed Ali and LeBron isn't even close so stop it with these comparisons to Ali because Ali was and still in a class all by himself . and the fact that you dudes put him as this Ali figure as if he is the closest to Ali speaks volumes because I've only seen one black athlete stand up for us to the point he lost everything he fought so hard to acomplish and that is Colin Kaepernick how dare you speak of LeBron as if he is the closest to Ali. Collin kaepernick is the very embodiment of Muhammad Ali not LeBron
3-6 calls himself greatest player of all time. Know I understand the dislike in this person as a competitor.
First rule of being the GOAT is you can’t call yourself the GOAT.
Kyrie did something special not Lebron, he’s seriously trying to talk this in to existence. The media has created and ran with something that just isn’t there.
Chris Broussad wanna say Lebron is the GOAT so bad, he about to have a heart attack......this is the most media generated agenda driven debate ever, in any realm......to prop up Lebron, everyone else has to be trashed and diminished.....it was the exact opposite with Jordan, the players he competed against when he played were given their props which elevated the magnitude of Jordan's greatness......when this all crashes, they're not going to know what to do or talk about........
Chris Broussard has said multiple times he puts Jordan above LeBron. He even has put out stats to back it up and gives a better argument than skip bayless. Chris Broussard can tear up LeBron because Jordan really is the GOAT.
Lebron is the only so called superstar with 6L's in the games that matter the most👎
Are we just going to forget that kyrie averaged 30 that series???
He the Goat alright the of.. G.Going O. On A. Another T. Team
LeBron saying that was Cringeworthy !
MJ the undisputed GOAT. He did it on both ends of the floor. No one in Jordan’s ear can say they ate of his plate in the Finals. Too many ppl in LeBron’s era has eaten off his plate.
You stupid
LeBron is the best passer and quitter.
Being the GOAT means never having to say it yourself. If you have to call yourself the GOAT, forget it, you ain't the man.
ikr facts
Lebron can't match the sacrifice that Ali made for what he believed in. Ali was stripped of his titles and boxing license for 4 years because he refused to participate in the Vietnam war. His case went all the way to the supreme court. We forget what this man sacrificed in the name of social justice. I don't care what Ali's wife says, Lebron is not the Ali of this generation, but a strong argument can be made that Colin Kaepernick is.
Also that means you should have ended your career right there in 2016 before advancing further because I've seen no Goat in the sport win a title then two finals later lose and get swept 0-4 out the finals. That's not goat status, LeBron u a real work of art 🤣😂😂😂
Lebron james and his fans are a joke
Self proclaimed goat lolllll
Funny how the supposed GOAT will have no place to retire his number! Think about that!!
JORDAN
Love the show fellas. Happy New Year, and can't wait to see what y'all got for this year
Can’t be mad at bron for feeling himself... but wat Jordan sed is the truth
Rob Parker... Before you go pinning all of these roses for class and humility on Michael Jordan... I suggest you revisit his 9/11/2009 Hall of Fame Speech when he flew in the man who was drafted by the Bulls before him just to humiliate him and make him The Ass of his jokes. Can you imagine what you would said about LeBron James if he did that???
Michael Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Bill Russell
Oscar Robinson
Hakeem Olajawan
Shaquille O'Neal
Notice no LeBron James. He just isn't on there level
thank you that's facts, Lebron not top ten ALL TIME
Anyone can call themselves the GOAT. Anyone.
Why y’all taking his statement out of context he saying from his personal view not from public view sport analyst don’t have nothing to talking about lol smh now if he would have said this go to show that I’m the greatest player of all time
Kyrie Irving is the real goat he made that clutch shot that helped solidify that win
I guess Chris Broussard the light skinned militant never heard of Jack Johnson. As much as he talks of Trump you'd think he'd mention him because he was the 1st brash black boxer not Ali and btw he was pardoned by Trump.
If Lebron is the goat...why is he chasing MJ's LEGACY ?? A goat doesn't chase ANYBODY. That's the difference.
When LeBron got booed at the Superbowl; I laughed my ass off. HAD THAT BEEN MJ THEY SHOWED ON THE JUMBOTRON; THE CROWD WOULD'VE CHEEED THEIR ASSES OFF! NOW TELL ME IM WRONG!
So.. completely disregard Kyrie’s GREAT games he had in that series, including MAKING the final shot TO WIN THE GAME... the fuck...
Ronaldo is saying i am GOAT because every one else will pick Messi.
LeBrom is saying i am GOAT because every one else will pick Jordan.
This just tell's a lot that...............lebron really needs to learn more stuff.he still a kid
dont disrespect Ali's name by putting bron and his name in the same sentence
MJs the GOAT.
But wait! LeBron is also GOAT...
Goes On Another Team.
GOAT's would never say that... people already know.
Well LeBron's goat or not that's another point. he surely lost much credibility.
So your saying it’s easier to come out of retirement and WIN 3 straight CHAMPIONSHIPS?!? Versus a 3-1 SERIES!?!?
Jordan was not being humble he was being respectful, I'm sure he always thinks he could beat anyone.
LBJ is neither humble or respectful.
Lebron is preaching that he is the G.O.A.T. because he knows that he is NOT. He pails in comparison to MJ, Kareem, Bill Russel, Wilt Chamberlain.
Lebron James is GOAT for "Always Second Placer in NBA Finals"