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  • AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex discuss all the spoilers, reveals, plot holes & best parts of Venom: Let There Be Carnage!
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Комментарии • 973

  • @KouheixHazuki
    @KouheixHazuki 3 года назад +475

    These movies have the same problem. Any symbiote not venom gets killed off and that's a poor way to do them especially Carnage.

    • @stickybunnn
      @stickybunnn 3 года назад +98

      EXACTLY. Riot is understandable cause he's whatever. But how do you kill off one of the most popular marvel villains ever?? Carnage is just as important and popular as Venom!

    • @KouheixHazuki
      @KouheixHazuki 3 года назад +38

      @@stickybunnn I know Carnage is my favorite of the 2 and for them to be able to defeat him because Carnage and Kassidy are not fully bonded was BS. The reason Carnage is so much stronger than Venom is due to Carnage and Cletus being fully bonded so using I/Me/ etc.. whereas Venom uses the We because him and Eddie are not one being.

    • @johnbach2380
      @johnbach2380 3 года назад +23

      if you think Carnage is "dead" I think you need to get into your "comic book logic" thinking cap.
      Cassidy's head and the carnage symbiote is still inside Venom. Now Venom has traveled to the MCU...
      Carnage is coming back.

    • @svagglaorde4387
      @svagglaorde4387 3 года назад +9

      @@johnbach2380 If they gonna bring Carnage back, they might put him in a woman's body, Gwen Stacy's dead body if you know what I mean. Unless they put Carnage in the next Spiderverse movie.

    • @nosoul4233
      @nosoul4233 3 года назад +4

      yeah carnage should of been a real problem where venom and spider man had to take him on

  • @cunningflop
    @cunningflop 3 года назад +141

    the summary of the venom and spiderman crossover film: 'VenoM THiNK spIdEermon Iz BAd so Fite' then 35 minutes later itll be: 'VEnum Relize SpoderMoN Gud So We TEam up NoW'

    • @dylangross3702
      @dylangross3702 3 года назад +11

      Ya but there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s like Cap vs Iron Man in a sense. WE KNOW nobody’s gonna die and they’ll come together later, but if it’s written decent, it’s fine. and honestly I’m just gonna be happy that we actually get Spider-Man and Venom together.

    • @FutureNaught
      @FutureNaught 3 года назад +10

      @@dylangross3702 It's trite. Give us something more interesting.

    • @lilsabin
      @lilsabin 3 года назад +4

      @@dylangross3702 so , we will never get a tom holland possessed by venom ?

    • @TamizPerdiz
      @TamizPerdiz 3 года назад

      So many theories just because a cameo. These people. lol

    • @ezra_west
      @ezra_west 3 года назад +7

      @@lilsabin My thought is Venom sees a better host and ditches Eddie

  • @menofglory7154
    @menofglory7154 3 года назад +267

    For a fact the reason they made this PG-13, was soley for Spider-Man

    • @Silent_Fool
      @Silent_Fool 3 года назад +25

      They did the same for first Venom film. Where the 2nd post credits scene is a sneak peak on Into the Spider-Verse film.

    • @tomascasterwell2279
      @tomascasterwell2279 3 года назад +31

      That has been debunked it was PG13 to save them money. They could switch the movies to PG13 with Spider-Man. But these movies are about venom. The studio didn’t believe in a rated R venom.

    • @botmushin8878
      @botmushin8878 3 года назад +38

      @@tomascasterwell2279 The "studio" shouldn't be messing with the license if that's the case lol

    • @edgelessspace7180
      @edgelessspace7180 3 года назад +15

      PG-13 makes more money, look at suicide squad and the suicide squad for a comparison

    • @mitchwood6671
      @mitchwood6671 3 года назад +13

      @@edgelessspace7180 nah the sure reason of the other one sucking dragged down the new suicide squad unfortunately, easily could of made a bunch of money if the first one didnt exist and stained everyones minds

  • @J64866
    @J64866 3 года назад +243

    Shriek was fucking lame, a McGuffin just to defeat Carnage in the end and to have a sudden change of heart. You mean to tell me her and Carnage go around fucking everything up but she wouldn't let Carnage kill Ann? Lmao. Also not having Cletus/Carnage symbiotic down to their blood level was complete dogshit.
    Carnage should of been top dog in this movie but they ended up ruining him in the final fight.

    • @400thekiller233
      @400thekiller233 3 года назад +5

      Carnage not being "symbiotic down to their blood level" is the least of these movies problems nerd.

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +22

      @@400thekiller233 What other problems are there oh all knowing one?

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +36

      @@400thekiller233 Also this is a comicbook movie thread, why would you be surprised there'd be "nerd" talk. Go eat a blue waffle ya grump.

    • @theyfearme1379
      @theyfearme1379 3 года назад +21

      @@J64866 He's probably the Virgin nerd. They like to project

    • @MrFoolD
      @MrFoolD 3 года назад +11

      What made no sense to me was at the beginning, if they knew Shriek's superpower was yelling, why did they not cover her mouth before transferring her? And the overall script is just really bad Lol

  • @tomriddle6261
    @tomriddle6261 3 года назад +188

    In the comics, carnage and Cletus are so crazy and similar that they don't say we , they say I because the symbiosis is so strong
    Screw this movie

    • @boombox3162
      @boombox3162 3 года назад +22

      Yeah bro I was thinking that I’m not super into the comics but I know that when it comes to carnage. Cletus and carnage are one and the same

    • @comicbookprodigy995
      @comicbookprodigy995 3 года назад +26

      Indeed, they are the PERFECT symbiote. In fact, their bond is so strong, it parallel's perfectly with Venom and Eddie because Venom just needs a host. Eddie is the one desperate for the symbiote -- their bond is a one sided stockholm syndrome. They messed that up majorly, along with his voice. His voice and size irritated me. He's supposed to be lean and sound high pitched and psychotic. If they would've fixed those two things and got rid of Shriek entirely, I would've loved this film.

    • @lNer0xl
      @lNer0xl 3 года назад +3

      and when are you guys unterstanding that a movie adaptation DOES NOT need to use already used story lines and lore. MAYBE they want to create something different? For example Venom beeing in the MCu now is a smart move. dont get me wrong the movie was not great but fun to watch. i just see everytime people complaining "hey in the comics they did this so the movie is not good" separate these things thank you.

    • @TheConspiredOne
      @TheConspiredOne 3 года назад +10

      @@lNer0xl Maybe that is why it got all the hype to go live action in the first place, is because of the stories in the comics, not some half written crap for halfwits like you that eat up any old thing they see.

    • @lNer0xl
      @lNer0xl 3 года назад +1

      @@TheConspiredOne that is not true. i think we all agree that the mcu is definetly bigger than the original comics. in fact more people (also casuals) will go to the cinema and watch a movie about a superhero instead of going into a store and buying comics (bigger audience in general). i dont eat up old shit but i guess you do since you want to see the "old shit" again and again.

  • @J64866
    @J64866 3 года назад +409

    Carnage didn't even get to kill a main character but Spiderman 3 Venom did, 💀

    • @docha649
      @docha649 3 года назад +122

      Look at little carnage jr. Gonna cry?

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +13

      @@docha649 😂😂😂

    • @edgelessspace7180
      @edgelessspace7180 3 года назад +19

      @@docha649 Venom jr. also works surprisingly well

    • @Burstify
      @Burstify 3 года назад +3

      He killed the father :(

    • @Ironmanpwnz
      @Ironmanpwnz 3 года назад +1

      @@docha649 lmaooooo

  • @Silent_Fool
    @Silent_Fool 3 года назад +246

    I don’t like the fact that they made Carnage to have two different beings. Since the symbiote is inside Cletus body, that would mean he takes all control of it.

    • @caleblecrow2207
      @caleblecrow2207 3 года назад +46

      Not in defense of the movie, but Carnage is much more in control of Cletus than Cletus likes to admit. He just enjoys the ride and Carnage is naturally predisposed to do things that Cletus wants to do. I remember some lines from Carnage USA hinting towards him basically suggest he doesn't know if he's ever been in control or if he's just been okay with what's happening. But he had to talk Carnage into doing that entire plot line in the first place.

    • @JoeGrizz1y
      @JoeGrizz1y 3 года назад

      I mean they were never together. They only worked together so carnage can get to venom because cletus knew where and how to get to brock. So they were never together to begin with.

    • @chaosandgore5099
      @chaosandgore5099 3 года назад +10

      @@caleblecrow2207 lol, wtf, no he wasn't. Carnage is Cletus and Cletus is Carnage. They are one being. Cletus is in full control, the symbiote is Cletus. The symbiote has never been in control of Cletus except in Venom vs Carnage and that comic is a shit show anyways.

    • @chaosandgore5099
      @chaosandgore5099 3 года назад +14

      @@JoeGrizz1y Wrong. Carnage is basically the same mind as Cletus because of a perfect bond. It's why every host that bonded to it aside from Cletus acts like Cletus. Extreme Carnage is also a good example. Basically Cletus in blood form, man.

    • @Teah8cbdude
      @Teah8cbdude 3 года назад +6

      Yeah I've said this a lot. Also when cletus girl all of a sudden changes her mind about killing at the end is so weird. The end was a cool fight visually, but didn't make sense. Carnage can't separate that easily.
      Toxin especially if they ever make a movie I honestly hope they don't make anymore venom dude lmao
      It's gonna be the same thing over and over. Eddie and venom relationship problems, fighting another fuckin alien... About to fail, but suceeeds by venom finding its WAy back to Eddie Great.. We've seen that last time........

  • @recklessnewb9949
    @recklessnewb9949 3 года назад +272

    the part where Venom says he has knowledge across multiple universes is a foreshadowing of king in black

    • @disorderrgv
      @disorderrgv 3 года назад +44

      Yup so Knull is probably in the MCU and he’ll connect to Thor through Gor the god butcher. Loving how they thought this out!

    • @Cantthinkofname-rp3iw
      @Cantthinkofname-rp3iw 3 года назад +27

      @@disorderrgv don't get your hopes up

    • @jomama8598
      @jomama8598 3 года назад +36

      @@disorderrgv knull is in the mcu because there was a floating celestial head in the guardian of the galaxy movie

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +13

      Great they'll ruin Knull also.

    • @recklessnewb9949
      @recklessnewb9949 3 года назад +6

      @@J64866 knull isn't a spiderman character he's a marvel character sony doesn't own his rights

  • @gambeano
    @gambeano 3 года назад +43

    I just hope miss Chen is okay and crossed over as well she's actually hilarious lol maybe even Anne and Dan too!

    • @ct9122
      @ct9122 2 года назад +12

      Drop anne the fuck out. Most unnecessary character in this movie

    • @FaabDzn
      @FaabDzn 2 года назад

      please no :(

  • @maineman5757
    @maineman5757 3 года назад +92

    Alex: "wtf was wrong with everyone's hair in this movie?" lol

    • @clearflow7925
      @clearflow7925 3 года назад +1

      That was so random. OJ just accepts it

  • @BluEx22329
    @BluEx22329 3 года назад +43

    Tom Hardy Tom Holland Tom Hiddleston the Tom trinity must happen. An they all have the same initials 😂

    • @Teah8cbdude
      @Teah8cbdude 3 года назад

      You might be right. I mean I'm pretty sure it will happen. 3 Spider-Man (Toby, Tom... and the other guy)
      Is too predictable. I actually hope They do NOT do that finger point scene.
      Venom appearing, makes more sense as (spoilers)
      ...
      Eddie is now in his universe

    • @coreyb1295
      @coreyb1295 3 года назад

      Like the Chris trio

  • @Ghostman128x
    @Ghostman128x 3 года назад +25

    I’m guessing toxin got on the cop while carnage was holding him hostage, but if that’s the case Ann should of got a symbiote too. And they did mess up Kassidy and carnage bond because Kassidy insane mind was supposed to be completely taking over by carnage and Kassidy doesn’t mind since all he wants to do is kill.

  • @TheGomatt
    @TheGomatt 3 года назад +41

    So the whole scene of the cop having his eyes glow doesn’t mean shit because Eddie is now in a different dimension.

    • @DeRockMedia
      @DeRockMedia 3 года назад +5

      XD ...now that you bring it up... ikr?

    • @SPLKIRA
      @SPLKIRA 3 года назад +14

      Its temporary at best. He isnt gonna be a permanent member of the MCU

    • @Burstify
      @Burstify 3 года назад +4

      @@SPLKIRA Yeah, I believe in No Way Home all the villains go back to their dimensions and Venom/Eddie goes back to his universe

    • @brianwilkinson8578
      @brianwilkinson8578 3 года назад +2

      or the cop went to the same dimension as eddie and venom, If it happened to one why not more.

    • @williamedwards4151
      @williamedwards4151 3 года назад +3

      Yeah. It'll be a cop-out ending in No Way Home. Spider-man will have to "do the thing" and "save teh world" by sending everyone back to their own dimension.

  • @TheycallmeMrWonka
    @TheycallmeMrWonka 3 года назад +75

    The amount of people that are impressed with this movie purely because it had that end credit scene is depressing. It could be the most average movie of the year but get hyped up because of that small addition 🤦‍♂️. Brainless fanboyism only makes the things you like get treated with less effort and respect when they know you'll happily accept whatever they put out. Being overly critical is bad being fairly critical to better the thing you love isn't.

    • @rogercamarena1497
      @rogercamarena1497 3 года назад +7

      It's also made the past 2 movies irrelevant because they can just hire a new actor for almost everybody including carnage/Kletus because of the whole variant thing lol

    • @richierich2229
      @richierich2229 3 года назад +1

      How is it depressing?? Why wouldnt people be impressed by that scene? That’s what people were begging for a sony and marvel crossover.

    • @lorddj9910
      @lorddj9910 3 года назад +25

      @@richierich2229 lol you’re missing the point the movie was mediocre as hell but people will bypass all that just cause of the post credit scene which is stupid, it’s why we get half assed movies like this

    • @Jonesy0218
      @Jonesy0218 3 года назад +1

      @@lorddj9910 I’d say a 6.7 average rating isn’t bypassing anything… lol People can not like the movie AND like the mid-credit scene. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 3 года назад +4

      The irony is this fanboyism is supporting the utter destruction of what venom and carnage actually are in comics and ALL other depictions. The bend over for sony cash grab and think they are winning. Its sickening, i dont want this crap in MCU

  • @sean-ito_kel1336
    @sean-ito_kel1336 3 года назад +59

    I couldn't stop cringing when VENOM was in the club.

    • @EnjoyerofMiserableMarinersBsbl
      @EnjoyerofMiserableMarinersBsbl 3 года назад +23

      That forced lecture was absolutely cringey.

    • @NewtNewt117
      @NewtNewt117 3 года назад +16

      While I didn’t cringe I just felt bored, I knew what they were trying to do but something just didn’t click when they made that scene.

    • @hi4827
      @hi4827 3 года назад +2

      @@NewtNewt117 They were trying to copy suicide squad 2

    • @92kris
      @92kris 3 года назад +2

      Same…I couldn’t believe what i was watching smh

    • @morbiuscrystal4875
      @morbiuscrystal4875 3 года назад +1

      @@hi4827 James gunn cringe squad was garbage just like sony-venom.

  • @SaturdayLuggage
    @SaturdayLuggage 3 года назад +54

    This was my biggest fear for this movie, carnage just cannot be in a pg-13 movie hes to brutal, and from this review it sounds like they pussified him.... so sad bc venom is my fav comic book character

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +5

      He was great until the last fight. Cletus fighting with the carnage symbiote was garbage.

    • @TheConker117
      @TheConker117 3 года назад +5

      They nerfed the shi* out of carnage. Honestly it was sad watching that

    • @Vixenlive22
      @Vixenlive22 3 года назад

      You should watch it anyways but yeah disappointing

  • @RangerHauk
    @RangerHauk 2 года назад +12

    I'm surprised to see no discussion on the scene where Anne semi-seduces Venom lol

  • @rudra7615
    @rudra7615 3 года назад +11

    Who else is watching this cause they don't care about the movie, nor going to pay and watch it when it is first out? I'll wait for it when it is free on my streaming service

    • @dannyomega3363
      @dannyomega3363 3 года назад

      Poor😆

    • @cortocircuitopod
      @cortocircuitopod 3 года назад +1

      Me, I don't give af about this movie🤣 Only the post-credit scene which I've already seen on YT

  • @kingjose9964
    @kingjose9964 3 года назад +11

    I really loved the way carnage looked when he first came out to full form.

  • @gintokisan5171
    @gintokisan5171 3 года назад +7

    While in a different universe, Ultron did more Carnage than Carnage himself..in less than 30 mins screen time..

  • @Sjf70226
    @Sjf70226 3 года назад +82

    Carnage symbiote insecure, doesn’t like eating in front of people

    • @redbaron5308
      @redbaron5308 3 года назад +3

      Other Joe is carnage

    • @redbaron5308
      @redbaron5308 3 года назад +1

      I like how they both realize that Carnage eats like Other Joe at the same time. 1:21

  • @Cucerescmunti
    @Cucerescmunti 3 года назад +67

    So basically they ruined Carnage as expected...

    • @FKDotFitzgerald
      @FKDotFitzgerald 3 года назад +8

      He was pretty good until he died like a bitch lol

    • @michaeldonatelli7166
      @michaeldonatelli7166 3 года назад +7

      Yeah so we’re basically never seeing carnage again… smh

    • @captainholliday3873
      @captainholliday3873 3 года назад +4

      @@michaeldonatelli7166 Never say never with these movies especially with that post credit scene

  • @0001captainawesome
    @0001captainawesome 3 года назад +5

    About time. Literally the main thing to Venom's charachter is that he desires Peter Parker as a host more than anyone, including Eddie. He considers Spider-Man as the ultimate host and his literal absolutely perfect host. That's why after Venom bonds to Eddie he still resembles Spider-Man and makes "webs" of his own.

    • @B0risTheBlade
      @B0risTheBlade 2 года назад

      Nah he only tuned to Peter cause Peter was his first. He imprinted on venom, and venom actually hates him because while they sync perfectly, venom blames Peter for the negative sides to his character. As at the time we were to believe that symbiotes didn't have a personality until they bonded for the first time

  • @artzo118
    @artzo118 3 года назад +49

    Eddie Brock is too awkward and tweaky here and I couldn't care less about his love life...most of the film he was just bitching anyways "I just want to have a normal life *wah*". Venom behaves like a hyper 5 year old, I just don't like this version of Venom. He's the not-so-lethal protector here since we don't really get to see him be the anti-hero and kill the bad guys. Venom's not supposed to be cute dammit lol. We get an odd-couples banter sitcom with cringe jokes all over. Wonderful. Cletus Kasady is too violent and obscene to have him be on a damn pg-13 film, hence why Carnage is way too tame in this and why I wasn't looking forward to any of these Venom films. I liked the Carnage character design but his voice sounded too close to Venom's. Oh and here's Shriek for some reason idk, might need her later. I guess we'll give Cletus Kasady a love-interest too, which is essentially an oxymoron because Kasady is supposed to be the embodiment of evil and chaos. Lovely. Final battle was underwhelming, Carnage was defeated to easily, oh coo thanks Shriek. Dammit Carnage is supposed to be OP AF. Lame. Music was meh. Visuals looked coo I guess. 3/10. I swear to god if we get Topher Grace Venom in the MCU😠...I will do nothing because I'm not in charge of IP License. I will sit there and take it like the rest of yall and write another essay that no one will read.

  • @bobbyhawk8797
    @bobbyhawk8797 3 года назад +32

    Carnage is OJ's secret identity always hiding behind the chair to eat

  • @carmony8756
    @carmony8756 3 года назад +37

    Venom is my all time favourite villain and I really can't care about this. Actually I hate this. There is nothing unique about Spider-Man and Venom fight if there is no development of the relationship between Peter and Eddie. It will just feel like a WWE match between two very popular wrestler. Marvel tried to do this right in Homecoming and Far From Home with the villains they used but seems like Sony doesn't care about the story at all. They just want quick money.

    • @baconator953
      @baconator953 3 года назад +1

      Exactly! Standalone Venom films will never work without Spider-Man and his connection with the black suit and Eddie Brock. Also, they ruined Carnage...

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 3 года назад

      amen dude, screw these people supporthing this and bending over for sony. its pathetic

  • @jackscalibur
    @jackscalibur 3 года назад +29

    Another issue I had with Carnage, is that he is supposed to be intertwined with Cletus' bloodstream. I didn't like how he was separated from him at the end before he died.
    And another thing. Isn't Carnage supposed to be more resistant (if not fully resistant) to loud noises, compared to Venom and other symbiotes? Why did they change that here?

  • @SoranotRoxas
    @SoranotRoxas 3 года назад +18

    I'm spoiling myself here because I have a feeling this film is gonna be mediocre like the first 😆

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 3 года назад

      its worse

    • @henkhenkste6076
      @henkhenkste6076 3 года назад

      mediocre? the first one was horrible and this one is even worse

  • @jaysnow4074
    @jaysnow4074 3 года назад +3

    I'm stubborn, I want cletus kassidy from the spiderman animated series "man" and Carnage's laugh from the Maximum Carnage Genesis game

  • @DFTNSHEXGRM
    @DFTNSHEXGRM 3 года назад +42

    Venom flipping off Eddie while riding away on a bike was hilarious.

  • @mrpickles9980
    @mrpickles9980 3 года назад +4

    R rated body horror venom movie that’s done as a stand-alone like the joker. Directed by leigh whannell. A man can dream.

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 3 года назад

      stand alone carnage film, were he is graphic as the thing.

  • @306oldboyful
    @306oldboyful 3 года назад +34

    They made a really toned down movie so venom can be in spiderman, it's a shame

    • @tomascasterwell2279
      @tomascasterwell2279 3 года назад +5

      No they didn’t they could change the rating when he crosses over. They went PG 13 because they didn’t believe in a rated R venom. That’s what hurt this movie Spider-Man hasn’t crossed over yet. So they didn’t have to do PG13 at all.

    • @JaySewani
      @JaySewani 3 года назад +1

      Venom 1 was already PG13 though they are not going to make R rated Sequel if First is PG13 😂😂

    • @troymcclure681
      @troymcclure681 3 года назад

      @@JaySewani why not ? Who are you to say

    • @JaySewani
      @JaySewani 3 года назад

      @@troymcclure681 Tell me one franchise which made sequel R Rated but part 1 was PG13 🤷 no franchise does that

    • @troymcclure681
      @troymcclure681 3 года назад

      @@JaySewani never said any franchise did that that's not my argument it would make sense to do it here especially for a brutal character like carnage

  • @HannyS_
    @HannyS_ 2 года назад +1

    Well originally Venom can reproduce anytime he wants and he does not need anything... So I think they handled this one pretty good... Would be pretty dumb if he made offspring intentionally for Cletus since he is an anti-hero in these movies not an actual villain (yet) as he is in the comics.... Its pretty hard to think of different way how to create carnage when brock is not in the prison with Cletus as a prisoner....

  • @TheConker117
    @TheConker117 3 года назад +4

    I was so afraid once I heard it was going to be a PG13 film. Did not do carnage any justice

  • @rudra7615
    @rudra7615 3 года назад +2

    The thing is, the spiderman broadcast is just happening when Venom appeared, but everything in the Spiderman trailer shows, Dr strange did the spell much later, possibly a few days later..so how can it be the spell? Something else?

    • @isaacsmith6878
      @isaacsmith6878 3 года назад

      Depending how big the story is for the media they'll keep coverage on the single story over a period of time like political stories or in this case a "major crime" or breakthrough story which it is so there we have it in context

    • @rudra7615
      @rudra7615 3 года назад

      @@isaacsmith6878 true, but movie makers wouldn't do that, making the viewer go "oh this isn't happening now but major news just being repeated days and weeks later". It's purposely chosen. I'm guessing they would want Venom to be in this universe and come to hate Spiderman, even taking his spider emblem into his design etc..via a venom 3 and then clash with Spiderman in venom 4/sinister six movie. Other factors come into play, do you let Venom know the indentity of Spiderman? Or does his memory get erased too? Does this factor in? We just have to wait and see

  • @embeux4907
    @embeux4907 3 года назад +5

    Technically carnage could be back bc Tom Holland is in a separate universe and cletus kassidy could still be alive logically

  • @shockzpanda78
    @shockzpanda78 3 года назад +2

    Everyone in my theater was like “what just happened?” During the end scene. And I was just sitting there like. “I know exactly what’s going on”

  • @Teah8cbdude
    @Teah8cbdude 3 года назад +6

    Also when cletus girl all of a sudden changes her mind about killing at the end is so weird. The end was a cool fight visually, but didn't make sense. Carnage can't separate that easily.
    Deciding to kill off Cletus is dumb.
    Toxin hint, now who's toxins enemy? Venom only?
    especially if they ever make a movie I honestly hope they don't make anymore venom tbh, they will ruin toxin.
    It's gonna be the same thing over and over. Eddie and venom relationship problems, fighting another fuckin alien... About to fail, but suceeeds by venom finding its WAy back to Eddie Great.. We've seen that last time.

    • @Teah8cbdude
      @Teah8cbdude 3 года назад +1

      Not to be harsh but venom films only visually great, and fights are ok. Story, is broken

    • @Kilawpilath
      @Kilawpilath 3 года назад

      I suspect what'll happen is Venom will want to kill Toxin, because of the whole once every 10k Years a Super Symbiote is born, but is born crazy, and is afraid of what Toxin will become because of being Carnage's Spawn. So Venom will be the villain in the movie till the tail end.

    • @Teah8cbdude
      @Teah8cbdude 3 года назад

      @@Kilawpilath idk tho toxin is stronger than both of them, yet is a hero but kind of an anti villain too just like Eddie he fights justice but also needs to eat, and is brutal but toxin hates his parents just like any offspring symbiote or most at least. I guess who it bonds to idk the truth here im just saying stuff
      But yeah I honestly just hope they (Sony) don't do anymore venom films at least maybe give its rights to marvel, at least the jokes would be cooler and choreography not just visuals

  • @GGA007Gaming
    @GGA007Gaming 2 года назад

    I'm pretty sure the whole bitting venom thing was actually a callback to one of the comic runs

  • @jonmoreno2396
    @jonmoreno2396 3 года назад +2

    I thought it’s when Loki set the timeline free

  • @DrJay-iy8rv
    @DrJay-iy8rv 3 года назад +5

    Honestly film should’ve rated R. It’s Carnage for God’s sake!!!

  • @gabrielmccallum2689
    @gabrielmccallum2689 2 года назад +1

    I did like the little reference when venom was dropping the girl down in the church I got a memory of watch tasm2 ending when he’s holding on to her

  • @reallyharsh
    @reallyharsh 3 года назад +4

    it's a shame the masses can't tell how awful a movie will be from a trailer like i can. if they could then we'd have much better movies

    • @parkerboy795
      @parkerboy795 3 года назад

      It's not always apparent from the trailers if a movie will be good or not. But these movies, it is really obvious.

    • @lorddj9910
      @lorddj9910 3 года назад +3

      Unfortunately some people actually think these are good movies lol

  • @Heyesy
    @Heyesy 3 года назад

    My only guess about how Toxin was created is that when Shriek gouged Mulligans eye out, some of Carnages pieces flew off when Venom and him were fighting and got into his eye, and mixed with his blood. Maybe. I don't know, it was literally completely out of nowhere.

  • @caleblecrow2207
    @caleblecrow2207 3 года назад +10

    Carnage can completely reconstruct from a single drop of blood, so hopefully someone in the MCU can do something more with him

    • @tomascasterwell2279
      @tomascasterwell2279 3 года назад

      This isn’t MCU that’s what you people get wrong

    • @caleblecrow2207
      @caleblecrow2207 3 года назад

      @@tomascasterwell2279 you must not have seen the end credit scene

    • @What.99
      @What.99 3 года назад

      @@caleblecrow2207 No, technically he’s right. Venom 2 wasn’t made by people running the MCU and Venom wasn’t in the MCU until that post-credit scene. After Venom 2, Venom is definitely in the same universe as Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, but he’s not technically in the MCU unless they acknowledge Venom in some way.
      Morbius has already been established as being in the same universe as well, but you can bet your ass Kevin Feige isn’t acknowledging Morbius in the MCU lol.

    • @jlev1028
      @jlev1028 3 года назад +1

      The MCU isn't the comics. They regularly nerf overpowered characters to not make them boring.

    • @caleblecrow2207
      @caleblecrow2207 3 года назад

      @@What.99 you realize all I said was they have a solid foundation to bring Carnage if they want to right? Like they can say he's still alive in the Venom universe then pull him in like they already did for venom. Idk why that was hard to understand

  • @poisonova1
    @poisonova1 3 года назад +1

    Guys you are thinking about this on surface level. The symbiote connected with kassedy when he bit him and chose to transfer to him. Just like it happened in the comics. Think about it, Venom has been wanting to go out there and destroy things, part of the symbiote transferred for this reason. There are far more things about this movie to not like but how he got the symbiote isn't one of them imo lol.

  • @P.W.N.ed_9000
    @P.W.N.ed_9000 3 года назад +1

    21:22 swan button.

  • @rdel9926
    @rdel9926 2 года назад

    I love that mulligan is tommy from Snatch

  • @Xycreus
    @Xycreus 3 года назад +3

    Venom and Carnage is my favorite comic book characters and these movies just makes sad,They could do so much more creative and serious stories with these characters but Sony keeps refusing to listen to fans and just wants some easy money every time with their lazy writing.They're trying so hard to make these movies look like its from MCU by ham fisting humor in it and not making it R rated.Tom Hardy Venom potrayal is good but we provably will never get a comic accurate Carnage ever.

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 3 года назад

      Tom hardy venom accidently becoming venom from dumb Kroll show chick... is not good. It shits on spiderman lore, and these idiots love it. sickening

  • @samwilson2250
    @samwilson2250 3 года назад +1

    This movie definitely has to many diverging points and plots to where it feels bloated. I will say I wish there were more scenes like when Eddie uses his journalism skills to find the house where Cletus and shriek stayed at, but put it more towards finding carnage after he escapes and putting clues together. All it boils down to is add a bit of batman flavor to Eddie's arsenal.

  • @captaincaptain2128
    @captaincaptain2128 3 года назад +2

    If you watch the far from home trailer you can briefly see spiderman in a black suit. Now that venom is in the mcu, perhaps he bonds with Peter temporarily, before returning to Eddie?

    • @jbox6315
      @jbox6315 3 года назад +3

      The suit is black and gold it's probably a mystical suit dr strange gives him

    • @TheBigTexan
      @TheBigTexan 3 года назад

      Like someone already pointed out, that's probably a magic defense suit, but at some point I can definitely see Venom temporarily being bound to Spider Man, then once he return to Eddie, Venom might finally get that white spider logo.

  • @ladiesmahn217
    @ladiesmahn217 3 года назад +7

    one thing i can say for sure is that they nailed the design of Carnage

    • @Bullkthx
      @Bullkthx 3 года назад +1

      Other than them making Carnage like 17ft tall i agree.

  • @LvXGameMaster
    @LvXGameMaster 2 года назад

    So I think I can tell what makes me really like the movie is that I have not read a Carnage comic. The only intro to Carnage I had was the animated Spiderman series and the 2000 Spiderman game. So This movie was a serious step up and probably the best onscreen interpretation we're going to get.

  • @shaletotin2413
    @shaletotin2413 2 года назад

    Pat mulligan the cop in the movie is the host for toxin which I believe is carnage’s spawn.

  • @mfconstructor
    @mfconstructor 2 года назад

    Maybe is the same venom from the Toby films , or he recognized the sipdy suit , and he shared memories from other universe venom from the Toby film ?

  • @edgelordleon5859
    @edgelordleon5859 2 года назад

    Sinister Six setup.
    Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Electro, Rino, and Vulture. Add in Venom and there ya go. Green Goblin and Doc Oc (McGuire), Electro and Rino (Garfield), and Vulture and Shocker (Holland). Venom might either be a sub for Shocker or even a potential ally to Peter. They could somehow resurrect Mysterio or maybe they don't get Giamatti back for Rino, but either way... Multiverse crossover? Actors returning? Pretty sure sinister six.

  • @SlowedSonics
    @SlowedSonics 2 года назад

    To me the cops eyes at the end were the same blue hue as Shriek and Shriek did say you can’t kill a ghost, so I imagine Shriek now inhabits the cop

  • @AdanMGarcia
    @AdanMGarcia 3 года назад +12

    Don’t worry all of the Sony properties and characters will be remade in the marvel universe. We’ll get marvels carnage one day. That’s the plan I bet.

    • @natediaz1863
      @natediaz1863 3 года назад

      I don't think that would be much better. There's no room in the MCU for dark Spiderman stories.

    • @michaelmyersplays4992
      @michaelmyersplays4992 3 года назад

      Unless Sony let’s them
      Sony owns all the Spider-Man Universe and characters Filming rights

  • @theshow0024
    @theshow0024 3 года назад +1

    Not sure if this is true but isn’t there a comic where carnage stayed alive in venom and starts to take over Eddie Brock until they get carnage out and he goes back to Cletus Kassidy. And now that venom is in the MCU maybe he gets away from venom and then attach himself to the Cletus Kassidy of the MCU not the one that was killed in the venom verse.

  • @lNer0xl
    @lNer0xl 3 года назад +1

    when are people unterstanding that a movie adaptation DOES NOT need to use already used story lines and lore. MAYBE they want to create something different? For example Venom beeing in the MCu now is a smart move. dont get me wrong the movie was not great but fun to watch. i just see everytime people complaining "hey in the comics they did this so the movie is not good" separate these things thank you.

  • @dwighthalpert8364
    @dwighthalpert8364 3 года назад +5

    Welp. They killed Carnage. I’m not interested

  • @121von
    @121von 3 года назад +1

    Listen the casting for Cletus Cassidy was perfect... but when I saw PG-13 I knew they weren't gonna do Carnage justice... the design of him was great to me but... I wanted Carnage to have a bit more Carnage... mans was supposed to be super OP and I don't think we got that.

  • @eljefe6731
    @eljefe6731 3 года назад +20

    This is the cartoon version of Venom. You know, for kids. The adult version hasn't been made yet, the true Venom will be rated R. Until then I'll enjoy the cartoons.

    • @HooDFoX2021
      @HooDFoX2021 3 года назад +1

      Ash, you’re my hero! I have nearly every Action figure of you not to me ruin a signed Evil Dead copy!

    • @eljefe6731
      @eljefe6731 3 года назад

      @@HooDFoX2021 I'm my hero too! It's nice to meet people who have things in common.

  • @acedragon543
    @acedragon543 3 года назад

    So for the post credit, i'm not sure if Venom so much has a connection to Spider-man as he thinks he can eat him. Venom wants to be a "lethal protector" and seems to enjoy fighting opponents who are at least somewhat challenging. The only thing they see about him when they get there is the news framing Spidey as a villain and as Venom has said before, he can eat bad guys.

  • @Shwindo
    @Shwindo 3 года назад +4

    That after credit scene tho

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +9

      A non ruthless Eddie Brock Venom vs Iron spider boy, yay.

    • @Shwindo
      @Shwindo 3 года назад +2

      @@J64866 when you put it like that😂😂😂

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +1

      @@Shwindo 🤣🤣
      I'll be fair seeing Venom vs spiderman on screen should be fun but the story around it is gonna feel so weird lol

    • @Shwindo
      @Shwindo 3 года назад +1

      @@J64866 I agree. I’m just happy to see venom vs spider man that isn’t the one from Spider-Man 3 lol

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +1

      @@Shwindo Spiderman 3 was a mixed bag, but at the very least it had the motivation of hating Spiderman/Peter right.

  • @davidterry4952
    @davidterry4952 3 года назад +1

    Hate it when anybody other than the hero takes out the bad guy. Soon as Shriek was introduced I knew exactly how Carnage was going to be done in. Ruined the movie for me.

  • @austinkingburton9723
    @austinkingburton9723 3 года назад

    Shriek is Calypso from pirates of the Caribbean.

  • @lynx8981
    @lynx8981 3 года назад +5

    carnage is not supposed to be a giant , venom is big in the comic but carnage is human size

    • @mlgamer-ie2tw
      @mlgamer-ie2tw 3 года назад +1

      Not really they are the size of the host reason venom is big from what I remember is Eddie was a body builder and was just huge

  • @bradlewis9050
    @bradlewis9050 3 года назад

    Q: Do we like W.Harrison portrayal of Carnage?? Is it’s a Joker or Bettlejuice? Does he carry that rage; from the source material? You didn’t really mention it? Was he believable?

  • @teddybott3258
    @teddybott3258 2 года назад

    Isn’t the detectives eyes turning blue linked to morbius? Because blue eyes is usually linked to vampires?

  • @rodolfofernandez4872
    @rodolfofernandez4872 2 года назад

    How can you throw fuel on top of a torch and don't get immediately blown up ?

  • @alexakaa.charlesross8919
    @alexakaa.charlesross8919 2 года назад

    What if the symbiote in Venom is the same one from Spiderman 3 and that's how Venom knows Peter 😂

  • @gunamora7774
    @gunamora7774 3 года назад +1

    Imagine a second post credit scene where all you hear is “how have you come to be so far away from me my child?” with a skinny pale guy staring out into the vastness of space. Que marvel stinger music. Iykyk

    • @dapanther9733
      @dapanther9733 3 года назад

      Wait u gotta explain this to me fr

    • @gunamora7774
      @gunamora7774 3 года назад

      @@dapanther9733 Then you must learn of the King in Black. You must learn of the God of the Symbiotes.

  • @devingilliam5601
    @devingilliam5601 3 года назад

    So the credit scene was very much Venom getting added to the MCU. In Spiderman: No Way Home, Dr. Strange fucks up a spell that we see in the trailer and I think Venom got brought into the MCU because we see Doc Ock and hear Green Goblin and hints at all the previous spiderman villains from Tobey and Andrew Spider-Man movies.

  • @KHfan0011
    @KHfan0011 3 года назад +8

    Honestly, I respect Joe a lot but geez as a movie reviewer, this guy is like....damn. He gives this movie and a movie like Arrival almost the same score.....Dude...how?

  • @nellyp2622
    @nellyp2622 3 года назад

    There were some glaring issues with the movie. One that really stands out is when Shriek is at Eddie’s place and sees a photo of Anne she wants to capture her as bait and very next scene she does. How did she know where to find her so quickly? She did not personally know who she was or where she lives but within minutes she had found her.

    • @joshburns969
      @joshburns969 3 года назад

      The apartment number was in the background.

  • @EverythingaboutEverything13
    @EverythingaboutEverything13 3 года назад +4

    Awesome thing could be since the multiverse is merging we have venom from Spider-Man 3 maybe that venom minds is connected with this venom which is why he finds spider man familiar

    • @tomascasterwell2279
      @tomascasterwell2279 3 года назад

      Wtf are you talking about?? You people acting like the spider verse is the multiverse which it isn’t.

    • @EverythingaboutEverything13
      @EverythingaboutEverything13 3 года назад +1

      @@tomascasterwell2279 I meant like the multiverse is honestly just different universes that are now interacting with one another. So since Toby and Andrew are rumored to appear in no way home. Venom is now also in the universe and venom tells Eddie that there is much he knows of and has vast knowledge of various things. So I just said it would be cool if Venom had a connection to another Venom symbiote from an alternative universe. Just since Joe mentions that Venom seemed to have a connection right away so it would just be an idea I threw out there.

    • @shadymostafa9711
      @shadymostafa9711 3 года назад

      @@EverythingaboutEverything13 exactly, that’s my theory too, venom hive mind may ley his. Be connected to grace venom memorises from Spider-Man 3 where he gets killed by spidey, so that’s why he recognises him

    • @bigbubbus
      @bigbubbus 3 года назад

      I don't think its necessarily that Vemon recognized Spiderman. I think it's more that the media is portraying Spiderman as a murderer and per their agreement before fighting carnage Brock told Venom he can eat bad guys. and a murderer is almost the ultimate bad guy

    • @EverythingaboutEverything13
      @EverythingaboutEverything13 3 года назад

      @@bigbubbus yea that’s why I thought too but just since Joe references that could be a possibility I just played off it

  • @Echo4Bravo
    @Echo4Bravo 2 года назад +1

    None of these creators probably never seen McFarlane's 316 issue. Or any of those works of art. Less is more.

  • @AmiAki
    @AmiAki 2 года назад

    thank you I was so confused like I thought the detective was dead. When and how did he get blood from another symbiote? It seemed so random he wakes up with glowing eyes ‘monsters’ …..
    And if it’s sweat then Anne should become one too! Makes no sense

  • @gezat3479
    @gezat3479 3 года назад +3

    Carnage accessing the laptop also makes no sense

    • @Kilawpilath
      @Kilawpilath 3 года назад

      That's something that is possibly what he'll be able to do because of comics that are more recent. Where the Carnage Symbiote bonds to Tony Stark's Extremis/Symbiote Dragon Hybrid armor..

    • @wheezer141
      @wheezer141 2 года назад

      I mean, Carnage’s daughter can literally bond to machines the same way most symbiotes bond to living things, so it's not that far fetched

  • @cunningflop
    @cunningflop 3 года назад +2

    id rather sandpaper my eyes than watch that film again

  • @marajaded2051
    @marajaded2051 3 года назад +1

    Alex looks like his boy friend left him in every video.

  • @badjayy8747
    @badjayy8747 3 года назад

    i think toxin was in first venom ? cause when they first cam from space they was 3 symbionts

  • @Silencer2869
    @Silencer2869 2 года назад

    So what I don't get about that end-credits scene... So Venom gets transported to the MCU timeline. But he gets there before Dr. Strange had casted that spell? Because he sees Peter Parker on the television, which is the reason to why they started to mess with the timeline in the first place. So how did he get there if it was before Dr. Stranges casted the spell?

  • @Dimensionmaster05
    @Dimensionmaster05 3 года назад

    So y'all telling me you missed the fact he was talking his home planet and their hive mind? The Hive Mind controlled by the King of Black!? The God of the Symbiotes!?

  • @SPLKIRA
    @SPLKIRA 3 года назад

    The cop is Toxin in the comics. So the blue eyes might..somehow indicate he got a symbiote somehow idk. Hope people dont go and think venom is gonna be a mcu mainstay. He isnt lol.

  • @RodaMoonknight
    @RodaMoonknight 3 года назад +3

    I feel like Alex is the Venom of these two, like he's honest and just hates this movie while Joe tries to salvage it

  • @youtubet3e416
    @youtubet3e416 2 года назад

    This venom can’t be at the same universe as doc octopus. Because jj reported Peter Parker as Spider-Man meaning the whole world already knows who is Spider-Man . So this must be before the spider man and doc strange multi verse story

  • @XZAVIER-DAA-GOD
    @XZAVIER-DAA-GOD 3 года назад +3

    These movies would work better if it was flash Thompson's venom instead of Brock because of the comedy

  • @chuck0803
    @chuck0803 3 года назад

    Some of carnage had dripped from above and landed on him

  • @nameofcrispy
    @nameofcrispy 3 года назад

    If they give the spider logo on the Venom suit it will 100% be a joke on how Venom wonders why people consider Spider-man a hero but not him and will believe it’s the symbol that he (Venom) is missing.

  • @VEZOK54
    @VEZOK54 3 года назад +4

    To be fair, Carnage’s love for Shriek is accurate. Hell, her getting injured was the reason why Carnage admitted defeat during his fight with Deadpool.

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад +1

      The love was accurate, until the end fight. Couldn't stand Shriek becoming the reason Carnage losing. Her sudden change of heart not to kill Ann was complete shit.

    • @VEZOK54
      @VEZOK54 3 года назад +4

      @@J64866 Oh yeah, that was bull. She would’ve killed Ann 100%.

    • @J64866
      @J64866 3 года назад

      @@VEZOK54 I loved the movie tbh until the writing Shriek and Carnage took a 180 haha.

    • @Silent_Fool
      @Silent_Fool 3 года назад

      One thing I don’t like the most that they made Cletus and Carnage different.

  • @ernielopez210
    @ernielopez210 2 года назад

    22:52 ✊ thank you.

  • @hematite9914
    @hematite9914 3 года назад +6

    Please don't get this shit near Spiderman no way home, I don't want any bad taste in my mouth watching it.

  • @JoeyDChosen1
    @JoeyDChosen1 3 года назад +1

    It would be exciting if when venom was gonna show eddie where he comes from, we can possibly see knull the God of symbiotes

    • @slang1517
      @slang1517 3 года назад

      I hate knull.

    • @JoeyDChosen1
      @JoeyDChosen1 3 года назад

      @@slang1517 why do you hate knull? He is pretty powerful asf.

    • @natediaz1863
      @natediaz1863 3 года назад +1

      @@JoeyDChosen1 powerful =/= well written character that's interesting.

    • @JoeyDChosen1
      @JoeyDChosen1 3 года назад

      @@natediaz1863 i know thats not how it works, i was just saying that he's powerful. I like him. He fought against silver Surfer black, it was an insane fight.

  • @ezra_west
    @ezra_west 3 года назад

    Exactly Venom is gonna see Spiderman and say to Eddie "see we should be a hero like that" than we get the venom symbol on his chest.

  • @roxtechs
    @roxtechs 3 года назад +5

    Not in favor of this Venom being in the MCU.

    • @tomascasterwell2279
      @tomascasterwell2279 3 года назад

      He isn’t in the MCU this is a Sony film with both studios integrating more things together.

    • @alessandrodamianoali5500
      @alessandrodamianoali5500 3 года назад

      @@tomascasterwell2279 he is now, according to the post credit scene

  • @ANBUdoberman
    @ANBUdoberman 3 года назад

    Shriek died like Ernesto de la Guardia in Coco 😂

  • @D20000
    @D20000 3 года назад

    Funny thing about angry joe is that joe is a nice fucking guy

  • @TacoLex
    @TacoLex 3 года назад

    Something to note. Since venom’s story has been sort of twisted and made up without Spider-Man. It’s possible Carnage could still be alive in venom they have retcon stuff before. Plus since we are in MCU. There could be a Cletus in the MCU