THE UNKNOWN MINISTER WHO MADE THE RACIST STATEMENT
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Renew Your Mind / Marvin Fant / Fred Price
Dr Price examines racist remarks on dating by a minister
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Decades ago, every Sunday morning at 7-8AM, on the Christian channel where I lived, Fred Price’s series on Race, Religion and Racism was aired. My wife and I would wake up early to listen to the broadcasts for well over a year… before getting ready for church. Recently, I even purchased Fred’s 3 volume set of books on the topic. His perspective and impact has been invaluable to me. Thank you for bringing back pleasant memories. I miss the man. He was a blessing to the body of Christ.
🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ TRULY, out of the abundance of the heart, that man’s mouth spoke.
So glad Fred addressed Proverbs 22:6 bc surely that man misquoted it to fit his racist message.
I clearly remember when all this took place. Even back then I immediately recognized the voice of this minister. This minister and Dr Price had reconciled and eventually this minister has placed African Americans in prominent positions in his mega church. He was also one of the speakers at Dr Price's home going service. For years I had a grudge against this minister and had to come to the conclusion that if Dr Price had reconciled and a number of positive change had taken place within his ministry then I also needed to forgive this man as well and no longer hold any ill feelings towards him as I did for years. That does NOT mean to be ignorant of the racism that is still in the church etc.
@gary ~ I clearly remember as well. Even though I shouldn’t have been BUT must admit I was shocked the way Paul & Jan came to hagin’s defense. By then I was placing the Word above all others; However didn’t know they reconciled ~ but must have been years after price was dropped [or left] TBN. Glad he didn’t back down and held no grudges.
I am glad you have changed your mind, good for you but always learn to be like your Father love those who hate you because they are sick people and their problem is with Yeshua God they hate God and so did this minister because God is the one who created you. So his problem is and was with Yeshua. Christianity is not from God it is what it is. Christianity is a white man's religion based on evidence. Yeshua God said a tree is ALWAYS ALWAYS known by its fruit, not the fruit you put on it. /the word Christians do not belong in the Bible I know Dr. Price has never said it but it is hard to catch all the lies that come from the European Church. What I did was listen to what has been said Christianity is a white man's religion then I looked at it in the Bible and that word does not belong in the Bible based on what the Bible says about it not my feeling. I will tell you this I took a class from Israel (New Testament in Hebrew and Jewish Study every jot or title) after about twelve lessons 1 hour long. This probably was the 12 or 13th lesson the first thing on the board for this lesson was Acts 11:26 I asked the professor about that word and I paid for him to teach me about this thing jotting the smallest letter. He blew me off someone in the class tried to help by talking about what Constantine had done but he kept going. So I was nice the next day I asked again and he said James go to another class where you will have more time to talk about this. He got me again so you see I have experience from my class from last year in Israel. So I have tried to find out even getting the pastor and assisting the minister hanging the phone up in my face. So I am not just talking and this is not my feeling this is evidence. Sorry to run my mouth so much I apologize!
You mean PREJUDICE.
I to remember the Race, Religion & Racism teaching which lasted more than a year. I have never heard Hagin Jr teach that this teaching was wrong.
I watched Price and EIF since 1978 and I truly believe that if he had reconciled after teaching such a landmark lesson, he would certainly have taught a lesson explaining his reasons, if in fact he did reconcile.
We live in a racist society, always have been until Jesus Christ comes back. I enjoy Fred Price series race religion and racism. I have seen it twice already. Eye opening and full of information.
You mean PREJUDICE.
The pastor voice is Kenneth Hagin Jr. I am familiar with this story . l hope Pastor Hagin Jr has renewed his mind concerning mixed marriages. Because God is not against it. Moses married a Black woman from Ethopia Africa. Praise God. Shalom❤
The scriptures reading is Numbers 12: 1 -16 concerning Moses married to the Ethiopian woman.❤
@@dellareesejenkins7799 They both were African black...hope you don't believe Moses was Caucasoid!
Rest in peace Dr Price🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you for posting this. My father was a fire baptized pastor and evangelist that came out of AA Allen’s ministry. He preached a lot for the COGIC and I was brought up basically in his church and the COGIC. He stood against racism and the power of God backed him up with it. This devil of racism should have been driven out of the church decades ago. Instead of pandering to it. This guy is preaching straight up racism and prejudice! What does he think racism is? Moses married a Black woman and Miriam grumbled against him. And God cursed her with leprosy for it.
What makes you think that Moses was a white man and do you also think that white people was ruling Egypt ?
Who is the minister in the tape
That Minister was Kenneth Hagin Jr
So moses wasn’t black?
The church is the most segregated place there is!
@@onedaysoon07 I don't like using the word black that they labeled us to be but yes Moses was a man of color.
it was kenneth hagin jr. fred told his father it was wrong what he said and he replied i feel the same way also. that it when they broke off . fred removed the his name from the auditorium he named after him. kenneth hagin then got carlton pearson to replace fred as his african americn pastor that he promoted with his positive faith message. that is how carlton pearson became big. until he started teaching inclusionism. i lived right behind the original crenshaw christian church in inglewood. his nephew performed my sister in law wedding.
Correct, it was Kenneth Hagin Jr
Wow, behind the scene!
Hagin Jr, racism came from his father (Hagin Sr) and senior members of that family
@@JomoDaMusicMan Yep!! I mean he trained his daughter in kindergarten smh 🤦🏽♂️
I listen only to God and I know for a fact that Moses had a woman of color so I really don't give a care whatsoever with these races so-called pastors are talking about! That's our rule! So lies and more lies is your beliefs!
I fully agree with you on the position you take with the Dr Fred Price. I follow Dr Price since 1978, and I watched the entire series of "race religion and racism" and to me it was the most powerful series ever taught concerning the condition and the root cause of the moral decay of the church in America!
First of all, I have a special connection to Fredric K.C.Price.
God used him to lead to the Lord the person that lead me to the Lord.
My introduction to preaching came through Fred Price.
He taught us that there is no Christianity outside of the word.
I devoured the word because of that truth.
Also, he did not ignore my black situation and sprinkle a bunch of hallelujah over it to make it go away. He addressed it from a standpoint of justice.
Which is a part of Christ character .
He was wayyy ahead of his time.
One of my favorite “not necessarily Christian “ sermons happened years later on RUclips.
“ Inappropriate behavior” by Dr Claude Anderson.
A masterpiece of black historical perspective.
A must watch!
Thank you for this video!
And this is why they support trump. Make no mistake about.
What?
All praises to the Most High Yah for this video. I had to post and pass this on . . .
Im an active member of CCC, and this is right on time . . .
WE WOKE NOW!
Halleluyah, it's Kingdom Building Time!
Dr. O. 💖
What a powerful message from Dr. Price . Righteous indignation!! 👍🏿🙏🏿👏🏿🔥
It wasn't unknown. It was Kenneth Hagin Jr.! Apparently, Fred Price got wind of Hagin Jr. being upset about a budding relationship w/ Fred Price Jr. (black) and Hagin's daughter who is white.. It's been 25 years, but I think Hagin said something to the effect of races should be separated. I didn't realize that Fred Price had the recording. I watched the series of his expose' on racism. It was epic. Thanks for sharing,
Love everything Apostle Price. Thanks for showing this.
It was Hagin Jr actually. That tape was recorded by someone my mom knew and it was Kenneth Hagin Jr
some of my church memebers went to his ministry school RHEMA in 90s and they use to tell me.. that they didnt like those white women with blck men....... but TULSA is the home to the 1920s Jealous race riiots of the whites .... with rich black folks back then...... soo why even haave a racist church
Those Black people in the congregation looks pained.
That day is over "😂that was a mic drop!!!
Passion for Fred K C Price. Famous for..... don't believe then read this ,read that, and try it. God is real. Strength in his words helped me to where I am now
Minister Fant, Thanks for the Video, I knew the separation had to do with race, but not all the details mentioned in video. I recognized the voice because I have listened to Dr, Price and the Hagins. I agree with the other below its Hagin Jr voice. Shock and sad to hear. I thank God for Dr Price for teaching on the subject of race many year ago. It is so relevant today. Wow!
Racism is taught and there will be a special place for them
Yes indeedy
And where is that...... by the way, PREJUDICE is the problem.
@@frederickweeksjr.1189...Numbers 12: 1-9 KJV.
Thanks to DR Price for being bold enough to bring us such valuable information. The recording reminded me of being a little girl in Mississippi. The same kids that we played with as small children were not allowed to speak to us as teenagers.
Amen Soldier. Heaven will Prevail Against This Madness!
This is facts I witness the changed behavior from grade school to middle.
This was Kenneth Hagin Jr the son this was revealed years ago.
Still going on today. People still teaching their kids racism
Proof that he's "....against all mixed marriages..." is hid use of These People.
Not against mixed MONEY 😊
That is Kenneth Hagin Jr voice. I used to follow Kenneth Haagin for years I heard his son teach, (Kenneth Hagin Jr), as well as Kenneth Haagin himself I know that voice.
thats who it is.. his son
they all hate white and blacks dating.. but they are preachers of GOD lol
@@ThePrinceOfTheTalkbox Thank you
my homies.. went to their church in 90s RHEMA Bible Church... they said it was Raicst against white an black dating @@JRG902
It was Kenneth Hagin Jr. Please! Apostle Dr Matthews
1 Samuel 16:7 kjv - for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Apostle Frederick Price Spoke truth. That other guy is a idiot. Hes teaching hate.
I remember there was and maybe still is an concern about so many Black males marrying outside their race that our race will be diminished. This want a concern when this audio was first introduced, but in 2024, some Black Americans have concerns about it now. And the concern of the fact that the majority of Black women have never been married and desires marriage. But this doesn’t mean that one is racist or prejudice if they feel this way. Racism and prejudice is born out of hatred and fear! As Dr Price pointed out, I want to know the why’s behind why the speaker in this audio feels the way he does. It’s not just marital issues, but it’s societal issues as well. It’s not a problem, only with those who abject to it because God sees nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, the church still doesn’t address racism period, but we should and in love, all skin tones
I believe the Hagin family and the Price family reconciled a few years ago.
That why Kenneth Hagin Jr went down, He went to Fred funeral out of guilt.
It was the Dad Hagin and his son Kenneth. Pastor Price was never aligned with the other minister as one of the Word of Faith
Its Kenneth Hagin Jr I believe its Kenneth Hagin ( son)
I remember WATCHING that sermon ! His wife made a motion with her hand at her neck to ‘stop’ BUT like he said….he was too far out there and just went on !!! SMH 🤦🏼♀️
Yes, that's who it is. I have no issues with one's personal opinions. I do take issues with one espousing his personal opinion as the word of God.
@@kimjohnson8471 ~ great distinction 👍🏼
That is Kenneth Hagin Jr
THAT WAS KENNETH COPELANDS VOICE
Imagine being black and sitting in that congregation and supporting that ministry.
I can imagine easily...they the "massa we sick" crowd...
He'd be getting called out.
Ma man Fred fear no man
I agree with the preacher about people being honest!!! I Feel just like him!!!
No, it was Kenneth Hagin Jr. (The son of the late Kenneth E Hagin).
I remember also it was Kenneth Hagan’s son and what hurt me was he said his taught him that When he was a child, I had all of Kenneth hogan’s books. It hurt me to know that he was a racist but I forgave him
ITS Kenneth Hagin Jr. thats the man whos voice it is. Rhema Bible Church in Tulsa Ok.......................... Pastor Kenneth Hagin Jr
At the time that Rev. Price first aired the service that featured this recording, it wS stated that the minister speaking on the recording was the late Kenneth Hagin, Jr., if memory serves me correctly.
Oh..I know who it was..I use to watch his father minster years ago...I will keep him in my prayers
I recognize the voice on the tape. Not sure how many years ago this was, but I remember when Apostle Price introduced the sermon Race, Racism and Religion. I also remember how Dr Kenneth Hagin and few others felt about Apostle Price teaching on this subject in fear of it causing separation within the Body of Christ. I see nothing wrong with “interracial” marriages between an man and a woman! But we have Black parents, not as often seen in Black families, that do not want their Black son or daughter to marry white! Prejudices and “isms” of all kinds are around us and will forever be, until Christ returns! Some cultures will actually disown or even stone their son or daughter, mostly daughters, for marrying outside their culture or race. I am not a parent, but I will speak concerning myself. As a soon to be 64 yr. old Black woman living in 2024, I see nothing wrong marrying outside my “race”. Black males definitely feel otherwise when Black women do so, even though they do it! I do caution myself because the world is a very cruel place. Will I be able to handle the ridicule and hate that comes along with marrying outside my race? I can care less about the color of one’s skin, but the cultural differences can be very challenging to overcome, especially for a woman, who would be the one expected to given in to the other culture! I will not ignore or give up my own Black culture. That can be an issue within some interracial marriages as well! Religion, hummm… I can’t embrace another religion/faith regardless of the skin color. If that is another “ism”, so be it! The religious aspect of a marriage would be very concerning, and definitely a game changer, especially for my daughter or son! Often time, in interracial marriages, someone or maybe both, will not be accepted by either in-laws or their family or friends. If you can deal with that going into the marriage, and you believe the marriage is ordained of God, I would embrace the marriage to whomever “God has ordained for me to be with”! I love people and I love all the different skin tones God created. It’s beautiful!! Is it solely a skin tone/color issue or is it a cultural issue? Is it racist to embrace the skin color and not embrace the culture? In some cultures and religions, women/wives have no rights whatsoever!! I would not want to marry into such a cultural and religious difference, but at the same time, I can care less about the skin color! I don’t believe this is racism in this example, but I am sure it is some kind of an “ism” that some people would argue and disagree with. Please be assured, I have no racist ideologies that I aware of!
PS: in the audio, I do believe the Pastor mentioned that Black parents had the same concern about their children marrying white! Sometimes, it about preference and not skin color! Just something to think about! ❤😊
THE HAGINS and their followers... didnt like it.. but its WRONG for them to be WHITE preachers saying this SIN
Ernest Ainsley never ran in Word of Faith circles. He was exclusively revival fire, tent meeting, charismatic Evangelical. Kenneth Hagin Sr and his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr were Fred Price's close friends.
The voice is not Ernest Angley. It was definitely Kenneth Hagin, Jr.
Not Kenneth Hagin, Sr but Hagin, Jr.
The preacher on the recording is Kenneth Hagen Jr. and not Kenneth Hagen Sr. (his father).
It sounds like we went back to the 50's
like you can almost hear the ancestors from hundreds of years ago speaking as well.
Dear Sir,
That is Kenneth Hagin Jr.
That is Kenneth Hagin Jr. I agree sir
Kenneth Hagen Jr and Dr Price removed all of his Christian books from his CCC Bookstore
The First Time I Saw This Man, I Thought He Was Racist. Therefore, I Never Listened To Him❣️
Stay Safe😷!😇
IT WAS KENNETH HAGIN JR. SIR!
I agree 💯💯💯 we were told not to mix as The Holy Children of Yisra'al THEE CREATOR SAID FOR US NOT TO MIX I AGREE 💯 we don't even kno we are THEE CHOSEN PEOPLE DEU 7
👉🏿Neither shalt thou make marriages with them;👈🏿 thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto YAH THY CREATOR YAH THY יהוה hath chosen thee to be a 👉🏿special people unto HIMSELF, ABOVE all 👈🏿people that are upon the face of the earth
DEU 7 I'm not mad!! Islam doe's not believe in mixing either we the only fools 😮
Who love the world smh
No, Israel was not to intermarry with the 7 families of Canaan because they were set for destruction because of their rebellion and abominable practices. They were given further instructions. As stated in Exodus, a mixed multitude came up out of Egyot with the children of Israel, and TMH entered into a covenant with that entire group.
@@thelastshallbefirst6531 We better Repent and flee USA like THEE CREATOR SAID 2 YEARS 9 MONTHS AWAY I'LL NEVER RETURN TO USA EWWW
I wonder do these Preachers not know that this Racism will not be going on in heaven, do they think The CREATOR is a fool?
the unknown minister was Keneth Hagin Jr and although he didn't say his name he said that he invited him to his home and while they were in the car, put the tape on and confronted him about it.
No, it’s definitely Kenneth Hagin. There is absolutely not doubt about that.
It was NOT Ernest Angley, nor Kenneth Hagin Sr, it was Kenneth Hagin Jr. who nade thst racist speach.
That message was from Kennth Haggings
A vanilla bean is black. In as much chocolate is not as tasty without a little vanilla extract...
Wickedness is hatred or hating anyone
AND GOD CLEARLY SAYS THOSE WHO HATE YOU, HATE HIM TO AND TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THEY HATED HIM LONG BEFORE THEY HATED YOU.
It’s Hagen.
After all these years folks still don't know who's voice that is? It ain't neither of those two ministers, but you're closer than you think.
@Pastore-cx9qe ~ I don’t know who you have in mind BUT that definitely is ‘daddy’🙄Hagin’s boy! I will never forget that sermon, ‘disgust’ wasn’t exactly my reaction🧐. To me what followed was worse: Paul & Jan’s full colors showed… stood full force behind him and EVENTUALLY 👀 Fred was no longer ‘welcomed’👁️ on their platform (if you remember how they systematically erased price from their👀network)… and it’s not that I’m in Fred’s corner either (b/c he was deceived himself [first by that ‘sect’]) I stand on the Word of God and Not man
So why would you not reveal it if you knew?
@@devaughnedwards1647 obviously, I didn't feel like undercutting the the person who originally posted this great "Unknown Minister" mystery. Why don't you ask them that question?
@@Pastore-cx9qe Because they already ended the video on who they thought it was.
Price says that Hagin went on for 8 minutes, but price went on for a year and a half!! Enough said
I’m not sure but I always thought it was Kenneth Hagen jr not senior
This voice belongs to Kenneth W. Hagin not Kenneth E. Hagin or Earnist Ainsley.
Yes! It was Kenneth Hagin jr. I used to listen to his sermons on TV and everything I heard sounds like Kenneth Hagin jr. I am 100% sure.
I agree with him that staying with your own race is the best
It’s certainly isn’t pastor Earnest, his wife had passed away long before the recording, plus, Dr. Fred Price wasn’t in that circle, it doesn’t mean he didn’t know him. Whoever is talking has a present wife. Plus, the voice absolutely doesn’t match at all… I’ve heard and I’m very familiar with pastor Earnest.
Just that I would inform you…
Praying for progress and healing in the community of GOD’S people at large.
1 PETER 2: 9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
I love The LORD’S Body, HIS Church!
It is Kenneth Hagin Jr. Kenneth Hagin's son
Kenneth Hagan
I remember it was kind of Higgins
THE PERSON ON THAT TAPE PRICE IS PLAYING IS KENETH HAGEN JR. IT WAS SPOKEN AT HIS CHURCH WORD OF FAITH
Price said god is ok with mix marriages so my question is why deut 7:6 and 7:3 and tobit 4:12 say that new testament Matthew 5:17 red print Jesus speaking.
9:25 ur white wife said quit.. cuz she knew u were in trouble
8:59 - I know who that is, he had a near death experience and heard his testimony on "death and dying". His words are totally off, that's what happens when you don't teach from the scriptures!!!
Its kenneth hagin jr
What difference does it make who said it?
A prominent white pastor that ate at Pastor Price’s house.
Thats enough.
It was Hagin! Price had no relationship with Ernest Engley
Haginites
That dude had "Clayton Bigsby" down pat. 😢
Thank you, rest in peace and just so someone don’t know it’s Kenneth Hagen jr. and Carlton p.
that voice was Kenneth Hagin Jr, Kenneth Hagin's son. I went to Rhema Bible Training Center and actually heard him say some likewise things in one of His classes. But this tape goes more in depth and reveals even more so how much Kenneth Hagin Jr feels about the subject and it is disgusting. And he said that his dad felt the same way about it. I still thank God for the mighty wonderful way that God has used the Kenneth Hagin Ministries, but concerning this one subject, I extremely disagree and am upset about it
aka...Kenneth Hagin Jr. HELLO!
Why bleep out the names if you're going to come forth to bring a minister out then speak about it totally in truth. If you're exposing them with the truth and tell the whole truth that's all I'm saying say who it was that was on the tape I mean you got it on tape
Kenneth jr.
That's the guy Carlton Pearson defended?
Yes.
10:17 that black man is pissed
Hes my favorite word of faith teacher the rest are bocus
What year was this?
Back in the 1990s
his wife was smart.. . Denise Hagin
Well Said Brother!!!
Kenneth Hagen JR
Sugar coating hate (RACISM) my God, the Lord hasn't signed off on this!
It was Kenneth Hagin Jr.
I dont disagree with Hagin. But in the first place, I also wouldn't be in a church with a white pastor either. Woe to them who were shocked he felt that way 😂
It was Hagin Jr
Hagan
Dr. Price - Rest in Peace. I wasn't a follower of the Word of Faith movement, but Dr. Price knocked this out of the ball park. I remember it very clearly and began to tune in as much as I could. It just wasn't Hagin, but many other entities (ministers or otherwise... remember the Daks Bible?) in the white church world.
Hagins - Many in the white church still hold or held to this view. Because they're not stupid enough to state their opinion out loud doesn't mean they don't believe it.
Carlton Pearson - He should have been ashamed of himself for jumping on Dr. Price instead of the monster that started it. Ironically a lot of the whites in Pastor Pearson's circle jumped ship when he espoused a different way of looking at the kingdom. Carlton deserved better from the Christian community. He wasn't wrong.
Well, GOD consistently told HIS people not to marry certain people. And that was because others practiced idolatry and witchcraft. HE didn’t want HIS ppl tainted. But, if you are telling your ppl to separate due to hatred and ignorance. That’s a whole different issue that has nothing to do with GOD.
Hagin Jr
Hello