Why EVERYONE Is Struggling to Get Into Cybersecurity

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  • @TheBeardedITDad
    @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +5

    On the Job Hunt? Here is what's hot and whats not! ruclips.net/video/uTqkO6AdPJQ/видео.html

  • @funktion_og
    @funktion_og 4 месяца назад +22

    This applies to alllll IT. There are a million youtube videos that have convinced folks if they get a cert, degree etc they can expect to make a certain range. But you aren't going to get the job competing against folks with experience with the systems, environments, triaging threats, vulnerability management etc, as well as if they have certs/degrees. Home labs will only get you so far. Get an actual entry level position while going for certs/degree. Being able to talk about the subject matter will get you in the door. Build your skillset and search for opportunities in the environment you work in to gain the experience for the next job.

    • @lertub
      @lertub 4 месяца назад +2

      I was in law enforcement for over 30 years. I am now working in a Helpdesk job and the experience is amazing. Now that I have experience, it is easier to get interviews for IT jobs now.

    • @UshMaVibez
      @UshMaVibez 4 месяца назад

      I cant get a helpdesk role at all. Have certs, but I get nothing when applying for jobs.

    • @bluecollarguy008
      @bluecollarguy008 4 месяца назад +1

      There is a crisis right now. No experience or certification is going to help right now. All that you can do is learn and prepare in case the situation gets better at any point.

    • @FlannelDad
      @FlannelDad 18 дней назад +1

      This right here. Ive been in a support role while getting my degree and certs. My company is sending me to school for a network position. I started at the help desk a year and a half ago and have moved up fast. If things workout ill be in security after my degree.

    • @funktion_og
      @funktion_og 18 дней назад

      @@FlannelDad nice!

  • @AJSoundbites
    @AJSoundbites 4 месяца назад +40

    Well, lets all become Blackhat hackers and increase the demand for cyber security jobs 😅😅😅😅

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +2

      Haha.. well I could never condone such a thing... (Keeping the RUclips overloads happy) But seriously no cool

    • @designstudiohq7764
      @designstudiohq7764 3 месяца назад

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @fokyewtoob8835
      @fokyewtoob8835 3 месяца назад +2

      If you get good enough to be a black hat you can 100% land a job. Your problem at that point is marketing yourself. Job or not the skill is something that is valuable and will get you paid eventually keep that in mind

    • @davidbachtel1721
      @davidbachtel1721 Месяц назад +2

      Look at all the famous hackers , they all have jobs waiting for them when they get out of prison

  • @JustineCarissa
    @JustineCarissa 4 месяца назад +19

    A lot of cybersecurity jobs also have security clearances. Before I joined with my security clearance, it would be nice if people would inform others getting into it it's more than just the degree or certifications. Especially if a person wants to open the doors to gain experiences, there's a lot of jobs that require the security clearances. So it would look into credit score, citizenship etc.

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +2

      Plenty of cybersecurity jobs don't require clearances, but if you need one, you can't just go out and buy one yourself. The point is that this does not impact choosing the right things to do to make yourself a competitive candidate. If you are a competitive candidate, you can find companies to sponsor you, assuming you meet the qualifications for a clearance, but too often, I see people using the fact that they don't have a clearance as a reason why they didn't get a job...it is rarely the reason if you got an interview. The only way to basically guarantee a clearance is to join the Military.

    • @krystalmarie5637
      @krystalmarie5637 29 дней назад

      How did you get your clearance? How would you suggest that I get a clearance?

  • @Boost_Addict20
    @Boost_Addict20 4 месяца назад +6

    i have a masters in cybercrime, security and terrorism. Im currently working towards getting the Sec+ but ive only just really started learning cyber security! Im hoping the job market gives me a chance XD

  • @apoorvchaturvedi962
    @apoorvchaturvedi962 4 месяца назад +59

    There is no point in making such videos and creating a sense of panic in folks who are already mid way in their journey get into cybersec . Yes automation is there so learn automation and be a part of it . There is not everything which AI and robots will do.

    • @niklausrupai1341
      @niklausrupai1341 4 месяца назад +9

      AI is shit on higher levels in IT. It can pass the bar for example (every person on earth can with a laptop), but can't pass harder leetcode questions, because you can't train an AI to properly secure systems

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +10

      It's important to stay positive and focus on the skills that will set you apart in the cybersec field.

    • @loganmanagh2268
      @loganmanagh2268 4 месяца назад +5

      This video was inspiring to me, not panicking. Work hard learn lots and put yourself out there is what ive learnt. Upskill and learn and you'll get what you're looking for. If your mid way, you're ahead of me lol good luck!

    • @TheITCornerbyJR
      @TheITCornerbyJR 4 месяца назад +1

      Keep working hard and growing. No one can take away your knowledge ✌🏽😎

    • @mikebrownnd
      @mikebrownnd 4 месяца назад +1

      I think it's very important to understand that cyber security jobs are not going away and there's nothing that can get rid of them, especially now. New technologies and forms of automation come faster than ever before and there is more and more investment in cyber security programs because of desperate need for at least risk assessment.

  • @connorbertsch9103
    @connorbertsch9103 3 месяца назад +4

    Just passed my Google cybersecurity certificate don’t have a degree unfortunately and worked hard on resume and portfolio and can’t believe how many jobs want degrees and 25 years of experience and it just sucks to work hard towards something and for them to demand a college degree from people who don’t want college

    • @faycalmarzougue1859
      @faycalmarzougue1859 3 месяца назад

      This is problem all of them they asking for degre

    • @fluffywhitebudgie6376
      @fluffywhitebudgie6376 3 месяца назад

      I'm in the opposite boat. Have a bachelor's but don't have a cert yet. Getting nothing. I wish certs were a bit cheaper. It took long enough to deal with the price of college, but lacking a higher job to pay stuff off makes it harder to keep going for the higher job's requirements. It's a hard hill to climb when money is the gatekeeper to earning more money.

    • @glocpubg9144
      @glocpubg9144 Месяц назад

      This is the thing the cybersecurity itself won’t get you a job is just a foundation of cybersecurity you need more like the comptia security plus and you can also add the blue team in there if you want to go the soc road good that you are working on your resume and portfolio and also apply everywhere is not because they say the want 25 years of experience that you won’t apply or need college degree I recently drop out just to go that road an am one course away on passing my google cybersecurity too and that’s what I will do have date and don’t give up

  • @rustyshackleford2841
    @rustyshackleford2841 4 месяца назад +24

    Because:
    You don’t have this degree
    You don’t have this experience
    You don’t have this certification
    You are not putting this on your Resume
    You’re not smiling on interviews
    You’re not doing this trick…
    Cmon, man!!
    Influencers are like just as bad as the employers themselves in today’s age.

    • @xXscissors_61Xx
      @xXscissors_61Xx 4 месяца назад +9

      I agree pretty low brow content

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +3

      well, I suggest you rewatch it because that is not at all what I said.. I said you don't need a degree, you don't need certs.

    • @mikebrownnd
      @mikebrownnd 4 месяца назад

      I don't think he means it doesn't help. It's definitely a good thing to have a degree and certs, especially if you have a specific field you want to get into. The biggest thing is that you have to actually prove you know what you're doing at the minimum level of the potential position. It is definitely possible to not have those qualifications, however, it's definitely harder to get the foot in the door without them.

    • @mikebrownnd
      @mikebrownnd 4 месяца назад

      @user-gs6yg4ye7i That is part of the problem. I'd say it's actually a recruiting issue as well. I run into many times where recruiters have put forward people that don't match even the bare minimum for a position. Also research and in my experience, there is actually a major problem with dealing with very under skilled folks in the field.

    • @DallasFort1857
      @DallasFort1857 3 месяца назад

      which is more lucrative between cloud and digital forensic incident response?

  • @jenny-DD
    @jenny-DD 4 месяца назад +4

    Videos like this are eye opening, perspectives, with information & and opinions, that are gold. If someone is not interested and wants to stick head in a sand box - You can find a box and sand just about anywhere - go for it

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +2

      LOL! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @addu6843
    @addu6843 4 месяца назад +3

    Great interview, precise questions but very diplomatic answer.
    I have enjoyed the answer 13:03
    Keep doing the good work.
    Thank you.

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +2

      I'm glad that you enjoyed it!

  • @JohnCutter317
    @JohnCutter317 4 месяца назад +2

    The issue was ppl persuing "cyber" in general. Most influencers got in when the bar was low. Companies no longer believe in training and want to hire a finished product. The few that make it in know somebody or got lucky in the top 1%. Work towards IT dive deep on specific technologies THEN pivot to cyber. I dont think influencers had bad intentions but 99% of it is misleading

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +1

      There are absolutely differences in the career field today compared to when I personally entered the cybersecurity job market (over a decade ago), but they aren't exactly as you've described them. I help people all the time at all levels of experience (newbie to seasoned pro) advance/accelerate their careers, so it's entirely possible if you do the right things, which often is the issue with why people are having challenges breaking into the career field. I can't speak for what other "influencers" say nor can I stop much of the misleading information that is being published to the world, but I'll always give information that works based on data.

  • @DerekHFishing
    @DerekHFishing 4 месяца назад +3

    The people in the field don't seem to be doing very good right now. I have got at least 15 different security breach mails in the last month. Seems like its better to be on the black side than the white side right now lol.

    • @tjstraw1
      @tjstraw1 4 месяца назад +1

      Reading about all of the ransomware attacks has been crazy!

    • @DerekHFishing
      @DerekHFishing 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tjstraw1 A couple of the big healthcare places I worked at in 2021-2022 got hit with wannacry too

    • @smartsalmon1
      @smartsalmon1 Месяц назад

      For sure the black side is treated way better in pretty much every way. It won't be until companies totally go under from an attack that it will really get attention. I think things will eventually tip the scales though as cyber attacks are only rising rapidly in frequency and severity.

  • @clockwork9011
    @clockwork9011 2 месяца назад +1

    I’m hedging my bets! I graduate in fall with Bachelor’s. I’m also studying for Network+ and sec+ with school discounts it should cut cost. I’ll throw some home labs in there with documentation. I figure this will make my CV looked well round and help me get my foot in the door!

  • @lm4122
    @lm4122 4 месяца назад +3

    It's iT jobs overall not only cybersec and also depends from country to country.

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад

      yes. There's still plenty of jobs in positions out there for those who are willing to put in the work.

  • @docholliday4546
    @docholliday4546 4 месяца назад +13

    If the jobs are getting chopped, why should we work our butts off to get into the cyber sec industry, if there will be no jobs?

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +5

      It depends on how bad you want to get into the field. there will always be a need for cybersecurity Professionals. But as the job market grows and there's more positions, the pool of applicants is going to grow increasingly with it as well.

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +7

      I definitely recommend going back and watching that section to fully capture what I said. ALL career fields change over time, and just because a job exists today doesn't mean that job will exist in the future, say 5, 10, or 20 years from now. New trends can cause jobs to be eliminated or changed, and you need to develop new skills to stay relevant. Also, the primary purpose of using technology is literally to make things more efficient and automated...not continue on with manual processes whenever possible.

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +1

      spoken as a true wise man!

  • @FlannelDad
    @FlannelDad 18 дней назад

    Well, also, most of the people applying literally have no experience in the field and just went to college. Everyone thinks they will just get a security job right out of school. You need experience doing the support desk, networking, and back end jobs.

  • @EmmanuelAnibueze
    @EmmanuelAnibueze 4 месяца назад +1

    Assuming am done with this courses and all and I want to apply for a job outside Nigeria like the US or UK for instance can I work from here in Nigeria...is it possible

    • @BattleBrotherCasten
      @BattleBrotherCasten 3 месяца назад

      Yes and don't take jobs from other people..better your own country, economy etc.

  • @FloridaInvestor
    @FloridaInvestor Месяц назад

    The reason is there are no entry-level jobs in Cybersecurity.

  • @docholliday4546
    @docholliday4546 4 месяца назад +6

    If the jobs are getting chopped, why should we work our butts off to get into the cyber sec industry, if there will be no jobs?
    Can you RUclipsrs that have all the answers plz explain it to me?!?! Why should I waste my time and buy your course or list to your podcast if its not going to help me?

    • @aFutureSelf
      @aFutureSelf 4 месяца назад +8

      Because influencers gotta make that $$ selling shovels.

  • @Denvercoder
    @Denvercoder Месяц назад

    27:08 - I’m moving from software development to security. I’ve been doing software development for more than 10 years and in my opinion there is more risk of AI taking software jobs than cybersecurity jobs.

  • @truenorthbeardco
    @truenorthbeardco 4 месяца назад +1

    👏🏻

  • @jamesb.6895
    @jamesb.6895 Месяц назад

    G golly if some people would spend as much time networking and watching “brain rot” industry demands. Apply this same energy to build a resume specific to the path you want to enter the field at. Be creative as in create your own path make it look like a well written story. Also the confusion comes from our own understanding as rookies. We’re calling the field in a whole cybersecurity not knowing the numerous positions that fall under tech! I was at fault for this also causing me to search for “cybersecurity” brain rot then finding out Cybersecurity isn’t so entry level as i thought. Certs and bootcamps are fairly new also. People these managers and companies are banking on education. The virtual schools are must now because those same people have friends and investments in these programs. I think it weeds out the one who dnt have a bit of excitement from chaos . You really wouldn’t like tech if this discussion discourse you. Tech is an organize shit show and you have to get comfortable uncomfortable unstable problem, Hunter. Go Hunting gents .

  • @BRoyceEke
    @BRoyceEke Месяц назад +1

    Very insightful interview ! Thanks for sharing

  • @MyLifeAmbition
    @MyLifeAmbition 3 месяца назад

    Great video! If I’m going to school for Cybersecurity security do you recommend for me to still get certificates to improve my chances in getting into a GRC position?

  • @MW97058
    @MW97058 3 месяца назад

    Companies added cyber security to network engineer positions. You would think given the number of hacks we read about that there would be tons of CS jobs. Not the case at all.

  • @RR-lt8cm
    @RR-lt8cm 4 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for posting

  • @mentalbreak
    @mentalbreak 4 месяца назад +1

    Can you do one of these for aspiring system administrators?

  • @MrCATgpt
    @MrCATgpt 4 месяца назад +2

    GRC for the win.

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +3

      LOL! The writing is on the wall about GRC...

  • @HackShiv
    @HackShiv 4 месяца назад +4

    It's over for me. I'm cooked fr. Good run tho boys 😭

  • @jb1557
    @jb1557 4 месяца назад +1

    Got a cyber degree
    All the comptia certs you could want the trifecta plus cysa and PenTest even SSCP and ITIL
    Working a service desk analyst job for the gov taking 40+ calls almost none being just password resets
    Even did Josh madakors course and have that project up on my resume
    Still not one call back on a cyber job

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад

      Sounds like you need to build up some experience. Maybe try to get into a more entry level position and get a few years under your belt.

    • @SimplyAdiva
      @SimplyAdiva 4 месяца назад +1

      Apply for the federal government 2210 Roles. I have certs and am now doing my Masters in Cybersecurity at WGU. My first role was GRC, and now I've been offered a cybersecurity engineer and cloud security role. I kept training and doing projects. You may have to be open to moving for your first role. I already had a business when I decided to take time and get into cybersecurity. Sell yourself and get out and network. Plenty of jobs out there.

    • @Donelomusic
      @Donelomusic 4 месяца назад

      @@SimplyAdivai have 0 experience where do I start? Help me

    • @JohnCutter317
      @JohnCutter317 4 месяца назад

      This is the issue. It became this open door opportunity but then tranformed into somethint harder to start than becoming a pharmacist or something. The industry lost the plot. That first top tier role will come people were for sure mislead just try to.stay positive and enjoy it when it comes

    • @SO-fb4ef
      @SO-fb4ef 2 месяца назад

      Change your current job title on your CV to look more security based, they are all transient and made up anyway!

  • @MassHypnosis805
    @MassHypnosis805 3 месяца назад

    Lol people are so triggered by the title. I can tell a lot of people complaining here didn't watch the video. Btw, CyberSec isn't an entry level job.

    • @GezzGezzGezz
      @GezzGezzGezz 2 месяца назад

      I agree it is not entry level job but why do a lot of content creators say these certifications are great and good luck landing that cybersecurity job.. it’s just misleading people and/or people are not very smart…

  • @fish618
    @fish618 3 месяца назад

    It is always important video and life skill sharing. ❤❤❤

  • @christiandubois937
    @christiandubois937 4 месяца назад +4

    I understand the concept of the video and your intentions, but where I think there was a missed opportunity is in explaining or enlightening your subscribers or viewers about an actual path. Currently, there are multiple videos with the same format, but what we're suggesting is you need to differentiate yourself and provide us with a unique insight or something valuable. The reality is, there is a group of people eager to break into IT Security. They were advised to start with Security+, then move on to labs, scripting, active directory, free internships, applying for numerous jobs (in the 100s), tailoring resumes for each application, mock interviews, networking events, more certification tailored to the job posting and more. Some individuals have completed all these steps and yet still struggle to receive a "YES" after numerous attempts. What do they get rewarded from people in the industry? We often hear "Do... more." It's just toxic, and they are tired.
    All in all, we understand the video and also understand that after a video discussing the same thing that was talked about 2 years ago by some of the people you have already interviewed (in their respective RUclips channels), your comments under this video are not full of praises. Just be different; that's all we are asking.

    • @JohnCutter317
      @JohnCutter317 4 месяца назад +2

      Were all starting to read the room I'm glad I was aiming for network engineering and cyber. The whole thing sold to people in the beginning was know your stuff prove yourself and you can get in without insane degrees etc...we've now completely lost the plot there is not a single tech job with the amount of hoops cyber wants..and it's absolutely not about talent influencers rarely sound technical or that advanced it's pure gatekeeping and confusion..once you get the first job things will open up it's hard not to be bitter tho the path wasn't what they sold to us

    • @christiandubois937
      @christiandubois937 4 месяца назад

      ​@@JohnCutter317 To be fair, the landscape has changed drastically, and you start to feel chaos among influencers who think they know how to land a job in cyber. Considering how vast and transformative the cyber field is, they have zero idea where or what it will be, they speculate. For me, only two positions have remained constant: Networking Engineer and Cloud Engineer, which could open doors into cyber with the proper certification and skills ( Firewalls usually). Now, in terms of the AI stuff, I call it BS because, as a security engineer, no company wants their security people using AI, especially when you have to give it proprietary data. However, I am not saying AI is not the future, but in Security right now, there's more risk than an actual need.

  • @Clxiro
    @Clxiro 4 месяца назад +5

    this is my comment before watching this panic-inducing brainrot content. lets see whats being said here

    • @D0zyfox
      @D0zyfox 4 месяца назад

      i feel that 💯

  • @thomasholt5070
    @thomasholt5070 4 месяца назад +1

    great video!

    • @JonGoodCyber
      @JonGoodCyber 4 месяца назад +1

      Glad that you enjoyed it!

  • @1zAlfonzo
    @1zAlfonzo 4 месяца назад +7

    I gave up on cybersecurity. No jobs being joined, hundreds spent on certificates and just a hell hole. I sold my website 2 months ago when i realized i can’t land a job, i went back to my trucking company instead

    • @aFutureSelf
      @aFutureSelf 4 месяца назад +4

      Trucking is very respectable man that's great.

    • @serjinskiy
      @serjinskiy 4 месяца назад

      Same story!Learned a few Cisco courses, Google it support cert (networking is so hard), Google cybersec cert, and ended up with no chance to get into the field, even though I was looking for a job in Ukraine, where cyber is very developing right now. Back to the trucking, ELD provider =)

    • @1zAlfonzo
      @1zAlfonzo 4 месяца назад +1

      @@aFutureSelf thanks man. I realized i was not built for a office job that i was probably going to get stressed out of. Trucking may take alot of family time away, but it guarantees me having a job still.

    • @smartsalmon1
      @smartsalmon1 Месяц назад +1

      Trucking is absolutely essential. And maybe try again once their economy corrects. It's just especially brutal right now. I can't switch jobs or even get a call back and I have degree experience and OSCP and other certs lol. Even entry level and I paid for a new resume. It's just hell out here

    • @CyberSecurityFashionDesigner
      @CyberSecurityFashionDesigner Месяц назад

      Wait what? You got certs and did projects and still nothing? If you can’t do this wtf should I bother ?

  • @kristopherleslie8343
    @kristopherleslie8343 4 месяца назад +4

    There are over 3 million jobs available tho

    • @TheBeardedITDad
      @TheBeardedITDad  4 месяца назад +2

      Yeah, there is jobs out there.

    • @danielawuku8956
      @danielawuku8956 4 месяца назад +2

      I’m guessing you’re already in the field

    • @kristopherleslie8343
      @kristopherleslie8343 4 месяца назад

      @@danielawuku8956 I’m in the field and connected to education, employment etc

  • @solidorsharp3091
    @solidorsharp3091 3 месяца назад +1

    A.I. will replace cyber security firms.
    The bills being passed are classified and not public knowledge yet. The content hype isn’t helping.

  • @87Otter
    @87Otter 4 месяца назад +1

    He works in compliance … which is phasing out. Compliance to me will be the first to go as they are paper pusher .. they can’t actually secure anything or give architectural security advice

  • @damianpodgorski6977
    @damianpodgorski6977 4 месяца назад +2

    Great interview! I thoroughly enjoyed it

  • @fm00092
    @fm00092 4 месяца назад

    If you’re not already in cybersecurity by now then there’s no point in wasting your time and resources on it. There are other careers out there.

  • @RichPober
    @RichPober 2 месяца назад

    Guest:
    Jon Good
    @JonGoodCyber