I am a locksmith with 39 years of field experience as well as a locksmith instructor. A mortise cylinder simply is for a mortise lock, threaded, held in place with a set screw and uses a cam to actuate the lock. A rim cylinder is for a rim lock, surface mounted through the door. It is held in place by a back plate & two screws, it is not threaded and a tail piece actuates the lock. It is unfortunate that there is any debate in language or terminology on parts or description on the differences. It should be clear according to lock design as to the type of cylinder being used. I would not expect it to be common knowledge on the picking community but it should be in the locksmith community. While I'm at it and I hear it from locksmiths all of the time, SC1 & SC4 are generic key blank numbers for Schlage C100 5 pin & Schlage C101 6 pin key blanks. They are NOT keyways! I don't mean to come off negative but as an instructor I am big on language it means a lot.
Just a quick question, I was given about a dozen SC1 cores, they are all master keyed, but I plan on repining them and rekeying them. I've cleaned them up with degreaser, lubed them properly and they are all smooth. I just need to buy or acquire the cylinder that houses them. Searching on various sites I'm coming up with all sorts of things, 9 dollars up to 140 bucks (USD). What should I be looking for when I search, I just want to get these things back in service, maybe make a few bucks in the process. Thanks in advance and have a great day!
That will depend on the size cylinder you will need! I remember at a couple shops I worked at the owners wanted me to master key all of these cylinders in advance of going to a massive complex job... I tried telling both owners that was a terrible idea as when I get there the cylinders will never all be the correct size lol Some people think they should just bulk buy a ton of cylinders in various sizes, but remember that you have to pay attention to colors as well. If you only order a brushed aluminum finish for instance, you may show up and need a whole bunch of dark bronze etc.. On big jobs you want to do an assessment if possible and take all of these notes beforehand and it will make your day a lot easier :)
I'm confused. Can I adjust my current cyclinder to click into the locked position automatically without turning the key back as I enter? Or can I swap out my existing cyclinder with a new cyclinder that will relock automatically? Or do I have to purchase an entire new lock mechanism, guts and all?
You will have to purchase a new Locket with the Function you need. Common household locksets are not built with the same mechanisms/functions as these more complex models. The latch plays a more important role than the cylinder in this case.
I strongly disagree! There is a HUGE difference between a tailpiece and a cam! I don't know what it is, but it's HUGE! Jk lol. I think technically the difference is a cam is flat, round piece) like for a mortise cylinder) that has a lobe that lifts something. A tailpiece is anything else, usually providing a direct connection of some kind. So basicly potato, potahto. But I agree you hit the main differences and explained it well for beginners to understand. Great video!
@@LockandKilo if it makes you feel better I'm only an apprentice locksmith. And I haven't been able to apprentice since the shutdowns started... so a failed apprentice... 😕
@@LockandKilo ok so I asked the question over on SE Lock and Key's Saturday morning live stream and niteowl answered "Cams moves perpendicular to the plug, tailpieces rotate in line with the plug" and "Cam is on a mortice cylinder, tailpiece is on a rim or KNK cylinder" I hope this helps!
I have a stainless steel security door that stays unlocked when you unlock it. You have to turn the key each time to relock it. I would like it to automatically relock once you remove the key and enter the house. How can I do this?
So, you have different options depending on your preference. Right now you have what is referred to as an Entry Function, this is like any lock you find on a common home. Store Room Function Locks require a key to unlock it every time you open the door from the outside. These locks do not have a button/thumbturn on the inside and must be unlocked with a key. Class Room Function Locks are similar to Store Room Function, but they give you an option to leave them unlocked or require a key every time. They are used primarily in Class Rooms as the Teachers can set them to be unlocked during school hours, but they can quickly change it to be used in a Store Room style function in emergencies or after hours. Now, these are normally used in Commerical settings, so it is always advised to check with your local safety and fire codes before installing them on your home.
Mortise is threaded and has a tail piece, regular cylinders don’t it’s a good thing to tell people. I agree Kilo many people don’t know. My two loose faultless cylinders are shaped like a cone almost but still called cylinders. Same for a Kwikset deadbolt I pick. My threaded Schlage primus is a mortise cylinders it’s also very difficult to pick. I came across a Masterlock number 7 today at my doctors office it’s been sitting there for years in the same place so I plucked it up. Easy to take open with a city rake and small sparrows tension wrench. Be sure to check out my latest video uploaded a few days ago RV master key.
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I watch from afar with some binoculars and carefully observe the feeding habits of each cylinder in the wild. Gives away the mortise every time.
This is an underrated tactic
Great advices on how to tell these apart. Down under we also have Rim cylinder to add to confusion for new pickers, cheers
Excellent demonstration! Thank you!
Cam+exterior threads=Mortise Cylinder. Got it. I know I'm one that has been mis-using that term lately-so thanks for the education!!
Everyone does... even Locksmiths who know its real term still call it a cam.
It's just one of those "trade speak" things I guess haha
_"Mortise"_ sounds like a member of the Addams Family.
Awesome informational vid! P.S. A similar type of cylinder you should’ve covered are rim cylinders (i.e. The ones that are used with pushbars)
I am a locksmith with 39 years of field experience as well as a locksmith instructor. A mortise cylinder simply is for a mortise lock, threaded, held in place with a set screw and uses a cam to actuate the lock. A rim cylinder is for a rim lock, surface mounted through the door. It is held in place by a back plate & two screws, it is not threaded and a tail piece actuates the lock. It is unfortunate that there is any debate in language or terminology on parts or description on the differences. It should be clear according to lock design as to the type of cylinder being used. I would not expect it to be common knowledge on the picking community but it should be in the locksmith community. While I'm at it and I hear it from locksmiths all of the time, SC1 & SC4 are generic key blank numbers for Schlage C100 5 pin & Schlage C101 6 pin key blanks. They are NOT keyways! I don't mean to come off negative but as an instructor I am big on language it means a lot.
Just a quick question, I was given about a dozen SC1 cores, they are all master keyed, but I plan on repining them and rekeying them. I've cleaned them up with degreaser, lubed them properly and they are all smooth. I just need to buy or acquire the cylinder that houses them. Searching on various sites I'm coming up with all sorts of things, 9 dollars up to 140 bucks (USD). What should I be looking for when I search, I just want to get these things back in service, maybe make a few bucks in the process.
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
That will depend on the size cylinder you will need!
I remember at a couple shops I worked at the owners wanted me to master key all of these cylinders in advance
of going to a massive complex job... I tried telling both owners that was a terrible idea as when I get there the cylinders
will never all be the correct size lol
Some people think they should just bulk buy a ton of cylinders in various sizes, but remember that you have to
pay attention to colors as well. If you only order a brushed aluminum finish for instance, you may show up
and need a whole bunch of dark bronze etc..
On big jobs you want to do an assessment if possible and take all of these notes beforehand and it will
make your day a lot easier :)
Hello I am a new picker and they just found your channel I have a question are you going to be posting more videos soon
Yes! I have been working on some currently to post soon! Anything in particular you'd be interested in? I can see what I can cook up!
I'm confused. Can I adjust my current cyclinder to click into the locked position automatically without turning the key back as I enter? Or can I swap out my existing cyclinder with a new cyclinder that will relock automatically? Or do I have to purchase an entire new lock mechanism, guts and all?
You will have to purchase a new Locket with the Function you need. Common household locksets are not built with the same mechanisms/functions as these more complex models. The latch plays a more important role than the cylinder in this case.
I strongly disagree! There is a HUGE difference between a tailpiece and a cam! I don't know what it is, but it's HUGE! Jk lol. I think technically the difference is a cam is flat, round piece) like for a mortise cylinder) that has a lobe that lifts something. A tailpiece is anything else, usually providing a direct connection of some kind. So basicly potato, potahto. But I agree you hit the main differences and explained it well for beginners to understand. Great video!
Also if anyone disagrees with me please tell me why I'm wrong. Thanx!
@@Phred_Phlintstoner HUGE!!!!! :)
I swear every time I call it one or the other a locksmith somewhere makes an angry fist haha
@@LockandKilo if it makes you feel better I'm only an apprentice locksmith. And I haven't been able to apprentice since the shutdowns started... so a failed apprentice... 😕
@@LockandKilo ok so I asked the question over on SE Lock and Key's Saturday morning live stream and niteowl answered "Cams moves perpendicular to the plug, tailpieces rotate in line with the plug" and "Cam is on a mortice cylinder, tailpiece is on a rim or KNK cylinder" I hope this helps!
I have a stainless steel security door that stays unlocked when you unlock it. You have to turn the key each time to relock it. I would like it to automatically relock once you remove the key and enter the house. How can I do this?
So, you have different options depending on your preference.
Right now you have what is referred to as an Entry Function, this is like any lock you find on a common home.
Store Room Function Locks require a key to unlock it every time you open the door from the outside. These locks do not have a button/thumbturn on the inside and must be unlocked with a key.
Class Room Function Locks are similar to Store Room Function, but they give you an option to leave them unlocked or require a key every time.
They are used primarily in Class Rooms as the Teachers can set them to be unlocked during school hours, but they can quickly change it to be used in a Store Room style function in emergencies or after hours.
Now, these are normally used in Commerical settings, so it is always advised to check with your local safety and fire codes before installing them on your home.
Mortise is threaded and has a tail piece, regular cylinders don’t it’s a good thing to tell people.
I agree Kilo many people don’t know.
My two loose faultless cylinders are shaped like a cone almost but still called cylinders.
Same for a Kwikset deadbolt I pick.
My threaded Schlage primus is a mortise cylinders it’s also very difficult to pick.
I came across a Masterlock number 7 today at my doctors office it’s been sitting there for years in the same place so I plucked it up.
Easy to take open with a city rake and small sparrows tension wrench.
Be sure to check out my latest video uploaded a few days ago RV master key.