Got it but i am not sure it's working with my headphones properly. I am using ath m50x with sonarworks. Canopener makes the sound a bit open but only a bit and again i have never mixed on speakers so i do not know if that is how it is supposed to sound. Can anybody drop a setting they found helpful for ath m50x. Please it will help ;)
@@PaulThird I messed with it and found out the mix engineer's life like preset has a 45 degrees angle, I changed it to 60 degrees after trying everything and got a nice balance for my headphones. This was the best I could come up with :)
@@vickylakdawala5904 all you've got to do now is just use it all the time and become accustomed to it. I found my low end always translated way better in the car and TV and stuff after I mixed with it on. Its odd sounding to start with but I just trust it and move on and before you know it you'll find it becomes the norm 🤓
I just got it and think it does an awesome job. However, I use the mix engineer preset and ended up turning the Crossfeed Realism to Standard, so that the angle option is disabled. The way the angle works is by creating a dip in the high-mids, which for me alters the sound too much, since I am very used to the way my M50x sounds. Just the crossfeed is enough for me, I now understand why I almost everytime overpowered the bass when mixing in headphones.
I used Waves NX/Waves Abbey Road Studio 3 for months - horrible. I have used Sonarworks for a year now, and CanOpener Studio 3 for a few months. The sound of the two together is nothing short of pleasing and translates well to consumer speakers. I am wondering if it would be sonically safe/beneficial to use CanOpener (monitor angle set to zero) in the mixdown effects chain. It seems to naturally glue left/right panning in a way I've never heard.
I normally use canopener in the mix Engineer preset.. Pretty sure that's what it is. I'm glad I only bought waves nx when it came out as the Abbey Road stuff is just an absolute con. Waves nx is probably the biggest waste of money iv ever spent on a plugin. Sonarworks is the best by far but I've been told by a few engineers that the new slate headphone pack is awesome. Expensive but seemingly next level
That's wierd I went on their site and got that 🤔 Default plugin placement and render-bypass workflow The SoundID Reference DAW plugin should always come last in the chain. By default, the plugin should be placed on the master output channel, after all the analyzers and metering plugins (including speaker emulation and crossfeed plugins, such as Waves NX and Can Opener).
Hi Paul. What is the sequence of plugins you have on your master bus when mixing? Where does Can Opener sit? You reference Realphones as well, where in the chain does that sit. Cheers
Thanks for this helpful video, Does CanOpener have headphone presets? I think Sonarworks has presets... what do you do if your headphones are not on the preset list? I currently use Sennheiser HD6 MIX (a now discontinued headphone) What is everyone else using?
I just read it again. No canaopner doesn't have headphone manufacturer presets as its just crosstalk which isn't headphone dependent where sonarworks is headphone modelled eq corrections so if your headphones aren't on their preset list then you would need to get a pair that are
So iam such noob lol, what is the difference between Realphones and crossed? I really wonder how to use them , my room is not good at all, just Adam a7x sound coming out bouncing around the walls and sofa, not treatment.
Crossfeed is built into realphones. Canopener is seperate crossfeed. This is what I use when mixing. Harman and canopener for all of the main mixing. Realphones for translation checks
@@PaulThird can I demo can opener? So I have noob question, what do I need then? I have dt 1990 pro Beyers and so is all I need can opener to mix? No eq settings, or how does it look? I appricaite your responses
Sonarworks + can opener. Solution sorted 👍 the cross talk in can opener will allow you to work on the low end like you do with the JBL's as it corrects the bass frequencies to act like actual monitors.
So you say Waves NX is not good, but you mean is not good WITHOUT can opener? Or you think is just bad? I was going to buy Steven Slate VSX but the headphones didn't convince me at all, so I'm going with Neumann NDH 30 and maybe Waves NX. What do you think? Thanks in advance!
Waves NX just sounds wierd full stop. It sounds phasey and odd. It's not meant to be used with canopener or any other software. It's meant to be your go to all in one room simulation plugin
I mix with a harman eq going into canopener. I use realphones for "speaker" references near the end Never tried vsx but heard amazing things from those I trust in regards to translation
I have both SonarWorks and Can Opener. Could I use them in conjunction? Seems like that way I would have a flatter response (from SonarWorks) combined with the cross talk (from Can Opener), giving me the best of both worlds. Would it work that way?
hey i have purchsed canopener , definitely , its sounds completely different . i use ATH m50x .,. that headphones have a reinforcement in low frecuencies .. so sometimes its difficult to mix properly the low end just a question , do you use , mix engineer preset or mix engineer flat ? im not sure what is the differnce between both .... but clearely i see everyting easier using this plugin , thx in advance for asnweering
Yeah as long as its after sonarworks. You can use it without sonarworks but only if you are happy with your headphones eq curve or they are really really flat
@@PaulThird I'm using Can Opener with Sonarworks, and Sonarworks says to put their plugin after Can Opener. So which way is really the correct way. Also, if you can give a review on Waves NX Ocean Way.
www.sonarworks.com/soundid-reference/blog/learn/speakers-vs-headphones-with-canopener/ Check this link out from sonarworks talking about can opener. In the photo at the bottom they have canopener after sonarworks. Waves NX stuff needs to go before due to how it affects the frequency spectrum (even without headphone eq) but canopener goes after As its only adding cross talk. goodhertz.co/tonal/canopener-vs-nx/ Check out that link and it tells you why canopener is better than NX and it kind of gives you the context as to why waves nx goes before sonarworks and canopener goes after 🤓
Trying the demo now... the effect is so subtle to me, I wonder if this has any effect at all. I cant hear much difference and certainly it doesn't sound like speakers, still headphones
I use the mixing engineers preset. It's more about your low end response for me. By adding in the crosstalk it's going to give you more realistic bass response. Are you using it conjunctuon with sonarworks?
@@PaulThird Interesting... for me it’s quite the opposite - I hear no effect on bass because its mostly in the center. I hear the crossover more when I listen to a higher tone instrument that ist panned hard left or right. There I can clearly hear the effect moving from the extreme stereo effect of headphones from the side a little bit towards the middle or „front“. I best hear it when its only one instrument. In a mix I can barely hear any difference or detect it. Maybe my ears need to get used to it
@@michaelknight141 it took me quite a bit to get used to it to be fair. It is meant to be quite subtle but I noticed I mixed my low end different when using it and was more consistent on monitors. Did take a good few hours of adjusting though haha I did sonarworks one day then canopener the other. My brain was frazzled haha
@@PaulThird I know what you mean :) I played around the 2nd day today and I can hear the difference better now. I can't say that it sounds like I hear Speakers in front of me, but it takes the pressure off the ears and they dont get tired so soon. Can you use it standalone, outside the DAW, let's say für Music listening? I'd like to have it run in the background of my mac all the time
I don't think so.. Im pretty sure it's just a plugin. Would be pretty cool though like if you could combine it with sonarworks in standalone. It's amazing to listen to movies, youtube and records through sonarworks in standalone
So I was expecting to hear a critique of audio production software from an audio production professional. Admittedly the video being out of sync with audio was funny. It was like a martial arts movie minus the martial arts. Still, there was some useful info.
@@PaulThird I was under the impression you earned a living (currently or in the past) in the audio field in some capacity (recording/mixing/mastering). Am I mistaken? I recently viewed your post decimating someone else's post on how software plugins don't rise to the level of hardware. That was rather informative and enjoyable.
From that aspect yes you are 100% correct. I now understand what you mean. After I left uni with my audio degree and before the kids were born I was getting the odd dribble here are there. Nothing spectacular as the music scene was dead where I am. Its frustrating spending 4 years of your life training up to then have to climb the retail ladder to support your family but suppose it is what it is. I do know quite a lot, just a shame I wasn't able to find the opportunities. RUclips is the only way I can make good of my degree now haha
So u have to do EQ calibration to the headphones? Where is this video and why u gotta do this? There are very good headphones out there who should work well with canopener or not? I want to give it a try because atm i mix on my 7.1 sound system, it works but the mixes are ofc not great. Greetings from germany!
You can get very high quality headphones that are pretty flat in their linear frequency response but in most cases you'll find headphones have certain built in eq curves to give them a certain sound so they stand out (specific bass boost, mid dip, high boost, high roll off etc etc) tons of variables. Problem is if you mix through these headphones then your mixing decisions are based on this one reference. So a simple example, you mix on beats Headphones and don't add in as much low end due to the big low end boost already added in the cans. Another listener listens on another set of headphones and complains that the low end is non existent. If you flatten the EQ curve of the headphones then it what it does is it allows for the manufacturers eq curve to be implemented correctly so everybody's listening experience will be the same. The mixes won't sound the same in every headphone obviously but the songs will sound as intended by the manufacturer. It's all about translation. Even the most expensive headphones still have eq curves built in which will impact mixing decisions. It's the main reason why you acoustically treat your mix room and why acoustic engineers are so expensive as your listening environment needs to be as flat as physically possible so your mixes are translatable. Hope that helps
ruclips.net/video/w_DjI8hFJ4w/видео.html Try that out of you have a pair of sennheisers. It's a comparison of sonarworks, waves nx and the new acustica sienna. I made tests for sennheiser, audio technica and beyerdynamic so people could hear the diffrences in calibration and also rooms and cross talk 🤓
I used it and I do not like it. If the audience is mostly listening on headphones anyway, you are tempted to mix wrong with these cross-talk plugins. If you can make absolute sure it will be heared on speakers then you should use it. These arguments were also brought up by the great Andrew Scheps - his words count for me and he is not using ANY of that fancy compensation stuff when mixing on phones - You just have to get aquainted how your headphones sound on a reverence mix - then you'lll know how you should set your mix
If you are mixing with closed back headphones. You'll definitely struggle with speaker translation without crossfeed. You can achieve good translation to both with crossfeed. It just needs time to get adjusted
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Does anybody use canopener?
Got it but i am not sure it's working with my headphones properly. I am using ath m50x with sonarworks. Canopener makes the sound a bit open but only a bit and again i have never mixed on speakers so i do not know if that is how it is supposed to sound. Can anybody drop a setting they found helpful for ath m50x. Please it will help ;)
Mixing engineers preset. That's what I use. I don't touch anything else 🤓
@@PaulThird I messed with it and found out the mix engineer's life like preset has a 45 degrees angle, I changed it to 60 degrees after trying everything and got a nice balance for my headphones. This was the best I could come up with :)
@@vickylakdawala5904 all you've got to do now is just use it all the time and become accustomed to it. I found my low end always translated way better in the car and TV and stuff after I mixed with it on. Its odd sounding to start with but I just trust it and move on and before you know it you'll find it becomes the norm 🤓
Bought it a few days ago. Looking forward to using it alongside Toneboosters Morphit
I just got it and think it does an awesome job. However, I use the mix engineer preset and ended up turning the Crossfeed Realism to Standard, so that the angle option is disabled. The way the angle works is by creating a dip in the high-mids, which for me alters the sound too much, since I am very used to the way my M50x sounds. Just the crossfeed is enough for me, I now understand why I almost everytime overpowered the bass when mixing in headphones.
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I do the same with the bass in my m50x's, which I've been using for several years. Thanks for the tip!
@@essmunson I use the same setup I use morphit and can opener for the exact same headphones
I use the exact same setup morphit and can opener for the exact same headphones
I love Can Opener. It’s helped me a lot with low end translation.
Same here 👌
Would be curious to know your thoughts on other Goodhertz plugins. Have you tried the newish Tupe plugin yet? I think they make fantastic stuff.
Nah just tried canopener tbh
I used Waves NX/Waves Abbey Road Studio 3 for months - horrible. I have used Sonarworks for a year now, and CanOpener Studio 3 for a few months. The sound of the two together is nothing short of pleasing and translates well to consumer speakers. I am wondering if it would be sonically safe/beneficial to use CanOpener (monitor angle set to zero) in the mixdown effects chain. It seems to naturally glue left/right panning in a way I've never heard.
I normally use canopener in the mix Engineer preset.. Pretty sure that's what it is.
I'm glad I only bought waves nx when it came out as the Abbey Road stuff is just an absolute con. Waves nx is probably the biggest waste of money iv ever spent on a plugin. Sonarworks is the best by far but I've been told by a few engineers that the new slate headphone pack is awesome. Expensive but seemingly next level
Do you put sonarworks first or can open first in signal chain?
If I recall sonarworks after.
That's wierd I went on their site and got that 🤔
Default plugin placement and render-bypass workflow
The SoundID Reference DAW plugin should always come last in the chain. By default, the plugin should be placed on the master output channel, after all the analyzers and metering plugins (including speaker emulation and crossfeed plugins, such as Waves NX and Can Opener).
@@RayFerretti thanks
Hi Paul. What is the sequence of plugins you have on your master bus when mixing?
Where does Can Opener sit? You reference Realphones as well, where in the chain does that sit.
Cheers
When you say dont use Canopener by itself what do you mean, what should be used along with it?
Use it with corrective eq/ room simulation
Thanks for this helpful video, Does CanOpener have headphone presets? I think Sonarworks has presets... what do you do if your headphones are not on the preset list? I currently use Sennheiser HD6 MIX (a now discontinued headphone) What is everyone else using?
Yeah I think I used to use the mix engineer preset of canopener
@@PaulThird sorry? Are you replying to my comment?
I just read it again. No canaopner doesn't have headphone manufacturer presets as its just crosstalk which isn't headphone dependent where sonarworks is headphone modelled eq corrections so if your headphones aren't on their preset list then you would need to get a pair that are
Can you make a Video how you work with this plugin?
ruclips.net/video/ktKD8SYGUiI/видео.html
What do you think of the new plugin called Loudness by Goodhertz..its free
So iam such noob lol, what is the difference between Realphones and crossed? I really wonder how to use them , my room is not good at all, just Adam a7x sound coming out bouncing around the walls and sofa, not treatment.
Crossfeed is built into realphones. Canopener is seperate crossfeed. This is what I use when mixing. Harman and canopener for all of the main mixing. Realphones for translation checks
@@PaulThird can I demo can opener? So I have noob question, what do I need then? I have dt 1990 pro Beyers and so is all I need can opener to mix? No eq settings, or how does it look?
I appricaite your responses
So harman is some kind of eq?
@@GermoStaalfeldt ruclips.net/video/ay8Hfrlys_A/видео.html you have a lot to learn
Since my JBL 308 MKII have some powerful bass, I need a solution on headphones to not bother the neighbors when working on the lower end.
Sonarworks + can opener. Solution sorted 👍 the cross talk in can opener will allow you to work on the low end like you do with the JBL's as it corrects the bass frequencies to act like actual monitors.
So you say Waves NX is not good, but you mean is not good WITHOUT can opener? Or you think is just bad?
I was going to buy Steven Slate VSX but the headphones didn't convince me at all, so I'm going with Neumann NDH 30 and maybe Waves NX. What do you think?
Thanks in advance!
Waves NX just sounds wierd full stop. It sounds phasey and odd. It's not meant to be used with canopener or any other software. It's meant to be your go to all in one room simulation plugin
@@PaulThird So your prefer to mix just with Canopener then. What do you think about the VSX? Thanks!
I mix with a harman eq going into canopener. I use realphones for "speaker" references near the end
Never tried vsx but heard amazing things from those I trust in regards to translation
@@PaulThird so you use realphones alosing with canopener? please guide me I have realphones do you think still I need canopener? please guide me.
You use use them seperately. Canopener for your main mixing. Realphones for near the end of the mix for translation checks
I have both SonarWorks and Can Opener. Could I use them in conjunction? Seems like that way I would have a flatter response (from SonarWorks) combined with the cross talk (from Can Opener), giving me the best of both worlds. Would it work that way?
ruclips.net/video/ay8Hfrlys_A/видео.html watch that. It'll help
hey i have purchsed canopener , definitely , its sounds completely different .
i use ATH m50x .,. that headphones have a reinforcement in low frecuencies .. so sometimes its difficult to mix properly the low end
just a question , do you use , mix engineer preset or mix engineer flat ? im not sure what is the differnce between both .... but clearely i see everyting easier using this plugin , thx in advance for asnweering
So do I just throw CanOpener on the master track?
Yeah as long as its after sonarworks. You can use it without sonarworks but only if you are happy with your headphones eq curve or they are really really flat
@@PaulThird I'm using Can Opener with Sonarworks, and Sonarworks says to put their plugin after Can Opener. So which way is really the correct way. Also, if you can give a review on Waves NX Ocean Way.
www.sonarworks.com/soundid-reference/blog/learn/speakers-vs-headphones-with-canopener/
Check this link out from sonarworks talking about can opener. In the photo at the bottom they have canopener after sonarworks.
Waves NX stuff needs to go before due to how it affects the frequency spectrum (even without headphone eq) but canopener goes after As its only adding cross talk.
goodhertz.co/tonal/canopener-vs-nx/
Check out that link and it tells you why canopener is better than NX and it kind of gives you the context as to why waves nx goes before sonarworks and canopener goes after 🤓
Dont forget to turn it all off when you render! Or use these plugins on dedicated monitoring bus, which doesn't affect the render
I've done it a few times haha
what settings do you recommend for beyer dynamics 880 pro 250 ohm? I dont use what settings to use for can opener, any help would be appreciated.
Mix Engineer preset
Trying the demo now... the effect is so subtle to me, I wonder if this has any effect at all. I cant hear much difference and certainly it doesn't sound like speakers, still headphones
I use the mixing engineers preset. It's more about your low end response for me. By adding in the crosstalk it's going to give you more realistic bass response. Are you using it conjunctuon with sonarworks?
@@PaulThird Interesting... for me it’s quite the opposite - I hear no effect on bass because its mostly in the center. I hear the crossover more when I listen to a higher tone instrument that ist panned hard left or right. There I can clearly hear the effect moving from the extreme stereo effect of headphones from the side a little bit towards the middle or „front“. I best hear it when its only one instrument. In a mix I can barely hear any difference or detect it. Maybe my ears need to get used to it
@@michaelknight141 it took me quite a bit to get used to it to be fair. It is meant to be quite subtle but I noticed I mixed my low end different when using it and was more consistent on monitors. Did take a good few hours of adjusting though haha I did sonarworks one day then canopener the other. My brain was frazzled haha
@@PaulThird I know what you mean :) I played around the 2nd day today and I can hear the difference better now. I can't say that it sounds like I hear Speakers in front of me, but it takes the pressure off the ears and they dont get tired so soon. Can you use it standalone, outside the DAW, let's say für Music listening? I'd like to have it run in the background of my mac all the time
I don't think so.. Im pretty sure it's just a plugin. Would be pretty cool though like if you could combine it with sonarworks in standalone. It's amazing to listen to movies, youtube and records through sonarworks in standalone
So I was expecting to hear a critique of audio production software from an audio production professional. Admittedly the video being out of sync with audio was funny. It was like a martial arts movie minus the martial arts. Still, there was some useful info.
As long as there was some useful info haha out of interest though, what constitutes as an audio production professional?
@@PaulThird I was under the impression you earned a living (currently or in the past) in the audio field in some capacity (recording/mixing/mastering). Am I mistaken? I recently viewed your post decimating someone else's post on how software plugins don't rise to the level of hardware. That was rather informative and enjoyable.
From that aspect yes you are 100% correct. I now understand what you mean. After I left uni with my audio degree and before the kids were born I was getting the odd dribble here are there. Nothing spectacular as the music scene was dead where I am. Its frustrating spending 4 years of your life training up to then have to climb the retail ladder to support your family but suppose it is what it is.
I do know quite a lot, just a shame I wasn't able to find the opportunities.
RUclips is the only way I can make good of my degree now haha
LEGEND
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So u have to do EQ calibration to the headphones? Where is this video and why u gotta do this? There are very good headphones out there who should work well with canopener or not? I want to give it a try because atm i mix on my 7.1 sound system, it works but the mixes are ofc not great. Greetings from germany!
You can get very high quality headphones that are pretty flat in their linear frequency response but in most cases you'll find headphones have certain built in eq curves to give them a certain sound so they stand out (specific bass boost, mid dip, high boost, high roll off etc etc) tons of variables.
Problem is if you mix through these headphones then your mixing decisions are based on this one reference. So a simple example, you mix on beats Headphones and don't add in as much low end due to the big low end boost already added in the cans.
Another listener listens on another set of headphones and complains that the low end is non existent.
If you flatten the EQ curve of the headphones then it what it does is it allows for the manufacturers eq curve to be implemented correctly so everybody's listening experience will be the same. The mixes won't sound the same in every headphone obviously but the songs will sound as intended by the manufacturer. It's all about translation. Even the most expensive headphones still have eq curves built in which will impact mixing decisions. It's the main reason why you acoustically treat your mix room and why acoustic engineers are so expensive as your listening environment needs to be as flat as physically possible so your mixes are translatable.
Hope that helps
@@PaulThird Thanks alot for that detailed answer u deserve a sub 100%! ;) So i think i go with the Sennheiser HD-650, Sonaworks and the canopener :-)
ruclips.net/video/w_DjI8hFJ4w/видео.html
Try that out of you have a pair of sennheisers. It's a comparison of sonarworks, waves nx and the new acustica sienna. I made tests for sennheiser, audio technica and beyerdynamic so people could hear the diffrences in calibration and also rooms and cross talk 🤓
Very good nose petrol extraction hahaha
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I used it and I do not like it. If the audience is mostly listening on headphones anyway, you are tempted to mix wrong with these cross-talk plugins. If you can make absolute sure it will be heared on speakers then you should use it. These arguments were also brought up by the great Andrew Scheps - his words count for me and he is not using ANY of that fancy compensation stuff when mixing on phones - You just have to get aquainted how your headphones sound on a reverence mix - then you'lll know how you should set your mix
If you are mixing with closed back headphones. You'll definitely struggle with speaker translation without crossfeed. You can achieve good translation to both with crossfeed. It just needs time to get adjusted
Crossfeed