Roland TD-17 Version 2 Roland Cloud Update

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025

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  • @MuchoMate
    @MuchoMate 2 года назад +10

    Thanks for still providing support for this product, great way of winning loyalty on your client base. I will do this as soon as I have the chance.

  • @robnixon8852
    @robnixon8852 Год назад +3

    Great clear video to explain how to do the update! Easy to follow... Thanks !

  • @opendoor9483
    @opendoor9483 2 года назад +3

    Thank You Roland for an awesome Christmas present. The new kits are awesome. Truly high quality sounds. Thank You.

  • @simonbowns
    @simonbowns 2 года назад +1

    Spot on, straightforward and simple - thanks for the vid. Sounds were well worth the update

  • @DICARLOSxBE
    @DICARLOSxBE 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you Roland for the updates and extra drumkits. I bought a second hands TD17 and it is so a nice feeling to upgrade the kit and load a few new kits and transform this.

  • @peakciv
    @peakciv 2 года назад +52

    Forget about the full backup as it overwrites all the new 2.0 kits when you load it. Instead, save each custom kit you care about individually, with user samples checked, to the SD using OTHER. Once done w factory reset to 2.0, using OTHER load back the individual kits from the SD. This keeps all the new 2.0 kits in place and adds your old favorites. I only had one I cared about and this is how I did it.

    • @dmphotography.prints
      @dmphotography.prints 2 года назад +2

      Wow... I thought it was only me. Thx!!! Clarifying -- the "OTHER" that peakciv mentioned is a physical button on the right side (not in the menu). Hit it while in the individual kit you want to and scroll to Save/Load.

    • @bigpapa8635
      @bigpapa8635 2 года назад

      I just bought a used VAD306. I do not want anything that’s on the current module as the previous owner has kits on there I don’t like and I don’t like any of his settings. If that’s the case, what do I do differently than what is in this video? Is there a need for me to back anything up and do anything with an SD card?

    • @ronaldpertuzalvarez4306
      @ronaldpertuzalvarez4306 Год назад +1

      Hello, in my case I only had 3 personal presets, I made a copy on the SD, I made the update and the new sounds were loaded, but when I loaded my presets from the SD all the new sounds of the update were deleted, although the system already is 2.0.
      What can I do now? Restore factory settings? do the update again? Help, thanks.

    • @PerrySenn
      @PerrySenn Год назад

      To Ronald P. - that’s gone on with mine as well…I wish I knew🤔

    • @mostdangerousmanalive
      @mostdangerousmanalive Год назад +1

      This is exactly what I wanted to do. Thanks to you and @dmphotography.prints for the tips!

  • @thomaslandin8888
    @thomaslandin8888 Месяц назад

    Just updated the TD-17 Ver. 2.1 software on my 3 yo TD-17KVX. Tips: After you save any kits, Reset the module to Factory Settings. This will ensure when you format your SD Card it will show as successful. I downloaded the update files form the Cloud to a dedicated folder on my laptop, Then it was easy to find and extract files. There is a PDF file which tells you how to update the software. Would have been nice to have this before, but the video instructions did the job. Now be patient during the Update process. There are 5 files and they don't load right away. Start the process and wait, it will finish in 5-10 minutes. My impressions are pretty positive with the updates. I haven't gone in to adjust set instrument levels yet as they seem to be balanced a lot better than before, even for the OG kits. I'll tweak during rehearsal time when the bass and guitar try to drown me out. No biggie. The headphone volume is lower, but I rarely use it. I can also 'mix in' to my JBL EON One if needed and use the headphone out. The Sound level is very loud and manageable using 1/4" out to my JBL EON G2 (15" Woofer is a must). Now don't forget to go to the Roland site and download the new Manuals, Data Files and other things (all in PDF format). If I can do this at 67 you w/o grandkids help, you can too, I'm glad I took the time to update the software.

  • @noompsieOG
    @noompsieOG 2 года назад +2

    for anyone confused like me, simply extract the file to your desktop then move the bin file to the sd card not the subfolders

    • @bigpapa8635
      @bigpapa8635 2 года назад

      I just bought a used VAD306. I do not want anything that’s on the current module as the previous owner has kits on there I don’t like and I don’t like any of his settings. If that’s the case, what do I do differently than what is in this video? Is there a need for me to back anything up and do anything with an SD card?

    • @RockyDylanBebb
      @RockyDylanBebb Год назад +1

      Bless your soul, I was like NO WAY AM I THIS FUCKING STUPID. The instructions seem to be weird right there haha

  • @theradiantchild
    @theradiantchild Год назад +3

    How do you install the artist kits they talk about in this video? I downloaded them all but not sure what to do with them. Please help. thanks!

  • @tp5904
    @tp5904 2 года назад +6

    This worked, however the volume output is significantly lower after the update. Any ideas on how to fix?

    • @jmejiar77
      @jmejiar77 Год назад +1

      had the same issue

    • @dreadedfpv4106
      @dreadedfpv4106 Год назад +1

      Me too. Did anyone find a solution?..

    • @ClubBlau
      @ClubBlau 10 месяцев назад

      @@dreadedfpv4106 Not really, I just kept going and modifying the gain for each instrument on my favorite kits one at a time. pretty annoying to be honest. did you happen to find a better solution?

    • @dreadedfpv4106
      @dreadedfpv4106 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ClubBlau no. I ended up returning the splitters and using two modules on my setup

  • @bigpapa8635
    @bigpapa8635 2 года назад +1

    I just picked up a vad306. If I DO NOT want to back anything up currently on the old version as there is no kits I want to save. can I skip that while sd card back up part?

  • @Capt-Cran
    @Capt-Cran 2 года назад +4

    Can it not be accomplished through connecting to Roland through the USB port and execute the update without having ot use SC cardss?

    • @noompsieOG
      @noompsieOG 2 года назад

      i thought this also but no. Its actually really easy this way

  • @JaroslawS1989
    @JaroslawS1989 2 года назад +2

    #RolandChannel @RolandChannel - Dear support team, have you found or have you received any message from users about problem after installing new software? I've just installed 2.0 in my module TD17KL and module changes Hihat pad type after update itself! I choose CY5 on hihat settings and when I go to pad settings I see BT1 SENS, when I change pad settings to CY5, then I get CY12RC... Is there any way to inform you officialy or share with you video somehow?

  • @AfifShahSadipSeven
    @AfifShahSadipSeven Год назад +1

    Wait!
    How do I load the Artis sounds to the kit?

  • @Wound3rd
    @Wound3rd 2 года назад +3

    The 2.0 has 70 kits. On the old version I had about 12 kits from EDrum Workshop with actual drum samples. Even with 30 remaining user kits available and after deleting 8 of the EDrum kits, I still don't have room to add the 2 new kits I just bought. It's a shame that when you utilize a great feature like actual drum samples, it severely limits how many kits you can load. I don't need 70 kits and I wish I could just delete 2/3 of them to free up space but apparently you can't.

    • @fabianvasquezjr8852
      @fabianvasquezjr8852 2 года назад

      Add the E-drum kits on a different SD card or 32 gig card possibly? I was wondering the same thing. Pretty sure all the 2.0 update are stored in the td-17 module and any additional samples and paid presets are stored on the SD card. Make a separate folder on SD card and add the kits you want might work, I'm not sure new at this too.

    • @Wound3rd
      @Wound3rd 2 года назад +2

      @@fabianvasquezjr8852 it's the "User Samples" from Roland's new kits that take up the memory as it turns out. After going through all of them I decided to keep the "wood shell" kit only. I think that's kit#1 or #2. The rest weren't kits I'd ever use. You have to then go in and delete all unwanted samples, leaving just the one "wood shell" sample. From there I was able to add 7 or 8 of my favorite EDrum kits. I overwrote all the Roland kits that had user samples with 1 of their kits like "Rock Studio" or something like that, which didn't use samples. I guess you could put all the EDrums on separate disks and load every time but I want it clean and simple so I can just sit down, turn it on and play. Unless they can somehow add more memory capability I think I've got it about as good as it can be. Luke at EDrum Workshop was helpful as always in trying to sort it out.

  • @tzvibernstein395
    @tzvibernstein395 2 года назад +1

    Roland is now marketing a TD-17Kvx "Gen 2" about which it is stated, "The second generation of the TD-17 boasts a re-vamped sound engine, in addition to 20 brand-new preset kits - half of which were only previously available on the top-of-the-line VAD-306." The Gen 2 kit currently sells for about $500.00 more than the (1st gen TD-17Kvx). My question - does this free update from the Roland cloud bring the older TD17Kvx kit's module to the same capability as the Gen 2 module, essentially saving the $500.00?

    • @Mussi93
      @Mussi93 2 года назад +1

      Don't forget the improved cymbals.

  • @dreadedfpv4106
    @dreadedfpv4106 Год назад

    Why is the volume output significantly reduced after this update and how can i resolve this problem?..

  • @PTUband
    @PTUband 2 месяца назад

    Is there any way to download then update with an iPad? That’s all I have to work with.. I downloaded the Roland manager app but there is no “hardware” section on it on the iPad app..

  • @recklesstoboggan
    @recklesstoboggan 2 года назад +2

    Where can we get a copy of the TD-17 Version 1 Module System Software (dotBIN file) if we want to go back to version 1?

    • @Shauncat1
      @Shauncat1 Год назад

      It should be on your back.up.fikes that you have should have done before updating to version 2

  • @fabianvasquezjr8852
    @fabianvasquezjr8852 2 года назад +3

    Might want to mention when backing up user content to tick the user content box or it will load all of the 1.0.2 drum kits into the module presets and you won't see the new 2.0 kits. I made that mistake and l loaded backup user kits and it was all of the v.1 td-17! I factory reset again and ta da! All the v 2 kits were loaded TG! They sound great by the way awesome update Roland!!!

    • @brianmcdermott2596
      @brianmcdermott2596 2 года назад +1

      Yes, I learned the hard way 😂

    • @dairyairman
      @dairyairman Год назад

      Here's what happened to me. I made a full backup, with the user content box selected. I loaded the V2 update and it worked exactly right. After the update it prompted for a factory reset, which I did. All the new V2 kits were loaded, but none of my old user kits were there. That's what I expected. I then inserted my backup card and selected "load" with user content selected. That worked too, but it overwrote all the new v2 kits with the original v1 kits, plus my original user kits. I tried to go through the v2 install process again, and that worked, but this time it did not prompt for a factory reset and it did not reload any of the v2 kits. What I have now is a module upgraded to v2 with all the old v1 kits plus my user kits and samples but none of the new v2 kits.

    • @Sweet92879
      @Sweet92879 Год назад

      David O same thing happened to me. You can factory reset by hitting the setup button and scrolling down - the second to last option is factory reset. If you hit that, you'll get the factory reset which will restore the version 2 kits again.

    • @dairyairman
      @dairyairman Год назад

      @@Sweet92879 Your trick about doing a manual factory reset worked! After I did that, all the new v2 kits magically reappeared. That's great! I'm still not out of the woods though. I inserted the backup card that I made in "step 1" and tried to reload my user kits using the Other->Save/Load menu, but they did not appear and I couldn't reload them. My guess is that because the backup I made was a full backup of everything, my user kits are embedded inside of it and can't be individually extracted. It looks like I should have individually backed up each user kit beforehand, but the instructions don't say to do that. Now it looks like I'm going to need to recreate each of those user kits. Fortunately, I only had about half a dozen of them.

  • @pietro-viecelli
    @pietro-viecelli 2 года назад +1

    I'd love to update mine..
    If only the Roland Cloud Manager managed to connected to the cloud...

    • @pietro-viecelli
      @pietro-viecelli 2 года назад

      UPDATE: I had to contact customer support so they sent me the file to update the module.

  • @mikeciresi3697
    @mikeciresi3697 2 года назад +2

    How do you do this without a SD card? I thought that USB would have been an option. I have a new PC but no option to load an SD card.

    • @mikeciresi3697
      @mikeciresi3697 2 года назад

      I did the procedure and when I put my backed up kits back into the module they over wrote the new kits, any one else have this issue? Now it won't let me put the 2.0 version in.

  • @AJ-hm7mu
    @AJ-hm7mu Год назад

    followed your steps, all very clear but when I load the backup from the original kit, it wipes the entire update....

  • @MinkSoda
    @MinkSoda 11 месяцев назад

    This doesn't make sense. I download version 2 to my desktop download folder but how does it get recognized by the module if I' m supposed to make sure I don't load it into the SD card????

  • @erzhanva
    @erzhanva 5 месяцев назад

    Is there any way to get this update without having to get a whole new computer?
    I don’t want to go to OSX 10.14.

  • @skinfiddler
    @skinfiddler Год назад

    I'm attempting to install V2 update and have no files to save, I have a 32g SD card that's completely formatted. I've downloaded the file TD17_UPA.BIN to the desktop and when I initiate the update process, it wants me to insert the card at which point it read "no update file": and goes no further. I'm signed into the cloud
    What am I missing? or doing wrong?

  • @ricardoterada
    @ricardoterada Год назад

    let me ask you guys: the sound of td17 module on using the earphone outlet is way much better thanusing L and R P10 cables to amplifier and external speakers! My speakers are fantastic (yamahas huge ones)

  • @ironinquisitor3656
    @ironinquisitor3656 2 года назад +1

    When we are seeing new Boutiques?

  • @Shauncat1
    @Shauncat1 Год назад

    I have downloaded the new version 2 firmware but cannot download user sounds that I also downloaded free on the roland cloud. I keep getting an error message saying no files found in folder of unsupported format or similar. I had no issues loading user samples in version 1?

  • @henriquefonseca5801
    @henriquefonseca5801 3 месяца назад

    Can I update using a pen drive or it works only with SD card?

  • @MrJeffryL
    @MrJeffryL 2 года назад +1

    Update working fine and all.... but how do you make use of the Roland Cloud Kits. Installed them on the SD but only my drum-tec kits show up when using the import. Is there another place where you can find the Cloud Kits or am I doing something wrong. The manual is also a bit weak in the respect, especially since you're more or less forced the download a (almost 1GB) cloud software interface...

    • @MrJeffryL
      @MrJeffryL 2 года назад +2

      Got it working... I had to rename the files by hand so no double names exist and put them all in one folder. As happy as I am with the update... it sounds really amazing. But in 2023 you can't come up with a software package over 800MBs and get people to manually change the downloaded files by hand. What in earth's name is the functionality of that package... if you force people to download the software the first thing there gonna do is download the 'cloud' drumkits... that's what it's made for right?

  • @MsKeith78
    @MsKeith78 2 года назад +2

    I successfully loaded version 2, but when I tried to add my back up files the module went straight back to old version and I cant reload version 2 now. Once I switch module off and back on, it's no longer prompting factory reset but goes straight back into old version module. I have tried starting all over again, same issue - cant reload ?? Any suggestions would be great, thanks.

    • @brianmcdermott2596
      @brianmcdermott2596 2 года назад +1

      Same here

    • @MsKeith78
      @MsKeith78 2 года назад

      @@brianmcdermott2596 Hey mate, go to factory reset on module without SD card and the version 2 will come back again.

    • @brianmcdermott2596
      @brianmcdermott2596 2 года назад

      @@MsKeith78 thanks, what did you do about the user kits you backed up?

    • @MsKeith78
      @MsKeith78 2 года назад

      @@brianmcdermott2596 I only had a couple anyway so didn’t bother with them. An earlier comment on this feed will assist with backup kits. I should have read that comment.

  • @midsonjonathas5258
    @midsonjonathas5258 Год назад

    Cartão de memória fica no módulo?

  • @davetompkins1130
    @davetompkins1130 2 года назад +1

    what is the process to download and copy the TD17 module 2.0 to my Apple Mac Pro?

    • @noompsieOG
      @noompsieOG 2 года назад

      would imagine it being the same? so download the roland cloud manager if you havent already, then access the file through there?

  • @michaelathlan
    @michaelathlan 5 месяцев назад

    what with the td 07 ?? please

  • @Sutho37
    @Sutho37 2 года назад +1

    Hi, last night I updated my TD-17 and the overall volume of everything (kit, click, aux) is lower. I have increased pad sensitivities to 32 max which made a slight difference. Can anyone tell me how to get it back to previous volume levels please? Before the update the volume control would be about 1/4 turned now 4/5 to max!!

    • @tp5904
      @tp5904 2 года назад

      Same problem here.. did you find a solution?

    • @Sutho37
      @Sutho37 2 года назад

      No

    • @tp5904
      @tp5904 2 года назад

      @@Sutho37 Have you tried to increase the overall volume? Go to: Other (button) > Volume > Kit volume.

    • @dairyairman
      @dairyairman Год назад +2

      @@tp5904 That is a solution, but it needs to be done individually for every kit, I believe.

    • @dairyairman
      @dairyairman Год назад

      Besides the lower kit volume, which is not great but not a showstopper, it looks like the MIX IN level is lower too. I often play along to songs from my iPhone, which is connected via cable to the MIX IN input on the back of the module. I have to crank the volume of the iPhone music (on my iPhone) to absolute maximum level to get any decent volume out of it. Even with the kit volumes being lower, the MIX IN level is so low that the my drumming more or less drowns out the music when I play along using my headphones. I tried lowering the kit volume and cranking the volume knob all the way up on the module, but that didn't work very well either. Right now I don't have any good solution for this.

  • @harryo74
    @harryo74 Год назад

    not working? keeps reverting to same 1.0 setup . doesn't say welcome to 2.0 or ask to factory reset ? any help .. i'm about to clear the M card and l drag the update on again...

    • @harryo74
      @harryo74 Год назад +1

      Update: it worked after clearing the M Card and puttng the update on it again..

  • @ontheone9559
    @ontheone9559 11 месяцев назад

    Ok, I just started this update now, but is it free?

  • @sweetpeters
    @sweetpeters 2 года назад +2

    Do you need an sd card? My pc doesnt have an sd slot.

    • @boblewis2287
      @boblewis2287 2 года назад +1

      Go buy a SD card reader, that plugs into your usb port!

    • @sweetpeters
      @sweetpeters 2 года назад +1

      @@boblewis2287 Thanks. Figured that out right after I posted 🤪

  • @MinkSoda
    @MinkSoda 11 месяцев назад

    Where do I put the update/ in the TD 17? on the SD card?, leave it on my desktop? In other words I got the program on my desktop unzipped, then with the formatted sd card in the module I hold rec and on button and I get to the screen to update and press the rec button and the module says =no update file. = WTF?

    • @alejandroaguilar4693
      @alejandroaguilar4693 6 месяцев назад

      You should copy the update file to the SD card's root folder, be sure to format the SD card on the TD-17 module first.

  • @enricopanuncio7604
    @enricopanuncio7604 2 года назад

    I cant transfer the file from my mac to sd..any experience?

  • @oneforall-c8o
    @oneforall-c8o 5 дней назад

    The problem is this Roland Cloud only works for mac/windows users . They used to do it right when there was a link to the zip files(bios etc) . But now they don't care about their customers, only trhose 2 selected..

  • @bpierce4884
    @bpierce4884 2 года назад

    I have a question about the 2.0 update. When I first got my TD-17 KVX kit, I added a 4th pad. I had to go through all the factory kits and adjust all my other pads so that the 4th would sound correct plus I adjusted each kit's volumes. It was a lot of work to say the least. If I install the upgrade, I'll have to go through and do it all again. Can the New Update Kits be installed separately and how many are there?

  • @BennyVibes
    @BennyVibes 2 года назад

    Any issues with doing this on Mac silicon? I just went and bought an SDHC 32BG SD card and formatted it in the V-Drum machine and it worked there. But when I plug it into my mac I'm unable to put any files onto the SD card. It isn't in the lock position and I can't even reformatted it on my mac using Disk Utility. I assume it's a lame mac issue and mac will come out with a special expensive feature in the future and call it innovative technology. HELP IM DROWNING

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise 2 года назад

    Seems like this update deletes all of your custom pad settings and reduces the number of user kits from 50 to 30? Does it also reduce the amount of storage available for user samples?

  • @WordupG
    @WordupG 2 года назад +4

    Wow, this is the most unintuitive upgrade process I've seen in a really long time. The Boss Katana amp is not exactly smooth, but it's miles easier than this. Why are there no easy to follow guides available when Google searching for "How to update Roland TD17"? Please get your act together Roland!

    • @noompsieOG
      @noompsieOG 2 года назад

      i know what you mean, im not the sharpest tool in the shed and its taken a few months to wrap my head around things, after ive bashed it into a brick wall of course lol. but now ive worked it out its actually really simple, didnt know i could do so much with td17 it was a really good investment

  • @sargeant1hundred
    @sargeant1hundred 2 года назад +1

    Great! Are the V1 factory kits still available in V2?

    • @fabianvasquezjr8852
      @fabianvasquezjr8852 2 года назад +1

      You can back them up to a formatted SD card from the setup button of the td-17 module, but first copy every kit from v1 to user content, check ✅ the user content box when backing up. After updating to v 2.0 you can load from SD card back up.

  • @carolwilson3010
    @carolwilson3010 2 года назад

    When he says that TD-17-KVX owners are already running the 2.0 software, does this mean that we already have these new kits and sounds installed? So we don’t need to update our systems? If this is true, getting an email that tells me to update my kit is confusing if it actually doesn’t apply to me.

    • @tp5904
      @tp5904 2 года назад +1

      if you have 50 preset kits, you're on v1, if 70, you're on v2

  • @MonacoAutoDesign
    @MonacoAutoDesign 2 года назад

    Does this 2.0 update include the extra kits that come with the VAD306/7? Currently, if I factory reset my TD17, I lose the 10 extra kits that come with my VAD306 version of the TD17. Any help??? Thanks!

    • @MonacoAutoDesign
      @MonacoAutoDesign 2 года назад +1

      For anyone curious, I ended up finding the answer. The 2.0 update includes the 10 extra kits, plus an additional 10 for a total of 20 extra kits.
      Another thing worthy of note: when trying to format my new 32GB SD card, I kept getting an 'Error' on my TD17. Turns out, I was still able to add the update from my computer and load the 2.0 update into my TD17 as shown in this video. In short, if you get an error when formatting your SD card from the TD17 module, it may still work.
      Enjoying the update so far, thanks Roland!

  • @DrumminJoe
    @DrumminJoe 10 месяцев назад

    I’m using Windows 10. Does anyone have the steps for Windows 10?

  • @jmac6402
    @jmac6402 2 года назад +1

    Hi, anyone noticed that with v2 version, bluetooth option has disappeared? or is it just my module?

    • @s2pidwheels358
      @s2pidwheels358 2 года назад

      Go to Setup > Bluetooth > F2 Setup > Device ID and change it to 1. Mine was defaulted to Off and even though it looked like it was in pairing mode nothing would recognize it.

    • @jmac6402
      @jmac6402 2 года назад

      @@s2pidwheels358 nah, minee is td17-l that doesnt have bluetooth support. I had never tried bluetooth till the update and that's when i notices 😅😅

  • @coffeecupblue
    @coffeecupblue Год назад

    At website, NO search feature. Please don't build websites with no Search Feature. It's just cruel and unnecessary. C'mon. There is an educate based on Communally Agreed to structures that we, as humans, have agreed is best. Indefensible. Particularly as THERE IS NO LONGER A CLOUD BUTTON IN UPPER RIGHT AS VIDEO STATES. It's a box on a screen and not the first screen you'd get to, it's on the Backstage screen, as a banner, after you page down.

  • @andys2357
    @andys2357 11 месяцев назад +2

    Dear idiots at Roland. How does one do this if one doesn't have an sd card slot on a computer? I mean, seriously. You're telling me the usb port can't deliver this firmware?

    • @leandrobatero1
      @leandrobatero1 4 месяца назад

      Literally same question. So I have to buy an sd card AND an sd card reader for this shit. I haven't own an sd card since cellphones' capacities started making owing cameras and sd cards pointless. I really can't believe this

  • @leandrobatero1
    @leandrobatero1 4 месяца назад

    Sd card? Are you kidding me? We're in 2024. I appreciate the update, but they didn't think of this when they didn't even include a USB port to connect to a pc ffs

  • @CS-rn1vw
    @CS-rn1vw 2 месяца назад

    This is a useless video. Spent 2k on a drum kit that I can't use properly because i need the td-17 update and can't find it anywhere. Installed the Roland Cloud app and opened it as the video says but there is no Vdrums section listed anywhere. I've clicked through every heading in the program and there is nothing about my kit or any other vdrum module in there.

    • @thomaslandin8888
      @thomaslandin8888 Месяц назад

      I found it easily. Path is: Hardware Instruments>TD-17>Upgrades>TD-17 Version 2 Update. Good luck.

  • @patricioo1419
    @patricioo1419 2 года назад +1

    I never buy Roland instruments again, I have the TD15K and they don't update the midi controller for Apple M1, it's useless for me... Horrime company,... Support is essential to build customer loyalty and word of mouth... .

    • @patricioo1419
      @patricioo1419 2 года назад +1

      and? or do roland products have a scheduled expiration date?! In my country, I bought it new 6 years ago, and? Even the old cars, the good ones!, have spare parts,....