Part 2: Saint. Innova savant. Westside Stag. DGA sail (I always say it’s a 9 5 -1 1 despite its vastly different flight numbers), zetas moon s blend, I’d also throw in some 9-5-2-2 discs like the Valkyrie (despite the 4 glide). I work in a disc shop one day a week and I always recommend this series to newbies who want to learn about different discs. Love the flight numbers don’t matter series.
@@justwondering1926 I’m just not familiar with that one. I got a Sail thinking it would be a really flippy driver but it’s like a 9 speed crave to me. I bag a hatchet and a sail to fill that understable and straight lines but looking for something a step up in stability to pair with the other 2. The Sail has a 1.9 centimeter rim, which effectively makes it a 9 speed despite the 11 speed it’s listed as. But I’d be happy to see him test the pipeline and anything else people think fits that bill.
@@BryceRogers_ different runs maybe. Ive tried a buddies older sails and they are much flippier, despite being unused. But im also basing it on how it performs for my 57 year old arm speed. Exact same flight as my crave. Just a bit longer. Guessing faster arms get a lot more flip.
The aura construct is the most understable plastic, they actually changed the numbers on it in aura to -2 instead of -1 . Nebula and ethos construct are pretty straight with a lil fade at the end.
I used to bag an aura and an ethereal. Great compliments to each other, a 1-2 punch. But I was more comfortable with my Valkyries so I ended up with them instead. Aura Constructs definitely remind me more of Valkyries than Dynasties
My ethos construct flies more like a PD, but the aura is very flippy, not much more stable than my mantra. The ethereal is the one that actually flies like the flight numbers, at least of the discs I have.
A great consistent easy to throw disc in the slot for me is the Millennium Orion LF. They make two versions of the Orion, the straight and the fade version, both are great but the LF long fade is that reliable wind disc for me.
The lots is an absolute staple for me, the Goodpasture tour series are definitely out of the box more stable than the K1 line discs are, but within id say 10 really solid hits off of things it begins to do exactly what you want out of an out of the box lots, and the one I have has stayed true to that path since basically! Love the CG lots, I'd recommend them to everyone, even for the increased price
I use an Undertaker for this slot. 300-350' straight with a slight turn and a nice fade at the end. Any more power than that and it gets too flippy, which kinda negates the control part. As a beginner it was the first disc I was able to break 300' with and it flew farther than my distance drivers (which I shouldn't have even been throwing at the time). This and the Heat are great introductions to fairway drivers and for learning to get that nose down.
Tesla for me is exactly what my Innova Thunderbird was. When looking at MVP numbers, I compensate for the extra gyro effect of the overmold by adding a 1 to the turn number. So it's more of a 9502 for me.
Even on their site they say the Wrath is a beat in Tesla, the Wrath has a 9/5/-0.5/2 so yea idk why they haven’t changed the Tesla numbers to 9/5/0/2. Even Simon says it rarely has any turn to it.
@@curtisridenour as a "850-ish and about 330/350-max distiance player" I find it hard to find the trusty difference between my C-line CD1, new S-line TD, Lone Howl/Nordic Phenom PD and The Vanguard... they do moooore or less the same with my amount of inconcistencies... Would be interessting to see Caleb throw them all ( and including the S-line CD, and Zeta's moon too) - The jump in my bag from FD's, FD1's and C-line FD3 and up to my DD and DD1's is generally a big mess
@@anderschristianhaldpederse8472 I throw in Denver and up in the mountains. Discs fly differently up here. So I also struggle to notice the difference in some of the more stable higher speed discs. All I know is that my Thunderbird seems unthrowable backhand and my vanguard can hold that line a bit longer. Forehand I am more likely to flip the vanguard over. Now that might just be my Thunderbird.
The escape is my go-to fairway, but it GOES, just like happened here for the glimmer. My lucid air is understable, and my regular Lucid is my "frozen rope" driver. My supreme though is so much more overstable than the one y'all have. I dont' think I have any 2 escapes that fly the same though... 😬
My local shop has the TSA Construct as 10/6/-2/2 for Aura plastic but 10/6/-1/2 for everything else. I find the Construct in Cosmic Neutron to be the most straight flying with very gradual turn throughout the whole time it pushes forward with a gentle but dependable fade at the end.
I bag both the Latitude 64 Saint in Opto plastic and the Dynamic Discs Escape. They both share a very similar flight shape, but differ in distance when thrown close to full. The Saint gives me an extra 75 feet of distance without sacrificing control.
I love these comparisons. One thing I noted here is that our guy threw all these discs with a hyzer angle as well as some on lines a lot further right than others. I’d take these comparisons with more than a grain of salt. Also, comparing an i-blend to a c-line it’s not going to give comparative results. The i-blend is like a cross between S-line and G-star where as the C-line is like champion. Completely different flight paths.
I had a hard time figuring out my neutron Tesla (171g) until a friend described it as a slower wraith with a low speed fade much closer to 3 than 2. Have been liking it a lot more since that conversation.
I bag the I blend Dynasty & a Fuzion Escape. The Dynasty is the only disc I can consistently do hyzerflips with some turn. The escape gets me a similar flip up and distance, but stays straighter. Less turn & less fade than my dynasty. That’s why I bag both. Same numbers but two different shots.
The stability of the aura construct is more dependent on how domey it is, than anything. The one you have is pretty domey, which means it'll be pretty flippy. That level of dome tends to only get run in aura and nebula ethereal, from what I've seen. If you look on infinite, you'll see aura constructs (usually low weight) that are flat enough they almost look like different discs. Those are what I replaced my undertaker with, and they're a solid replacement (though they're longer than the undertaker). For more consistency, the Ethos plastic is more similar, run to run - though a bit more stable overall than the flat aura ones. Think of it as the difference between an undertaker (aura), and an Athena (Ethos).
For my arm the s-line CD1 is perfect. Has the nice flip up on a baby hyzer and rides straight for most of it’s flight till the fade kicks in and it’s a nice pushing fade.
Just picked up a Lots. Only threw it a few times before I threw it on an over the water shot. Got scared when it turned way more than expected, but came back with beef and actually landed farther to the right of my aiming point (forehand throw).
When I started playing, the escape was a go to for me in the woods, and it would just fly dead straight. I stopped playing for a few years and came back to it, with apparently a lot more arm speed. All of my old escapes were way too flippy now, and all of the new ones I bought were more of the same. Here started my search. I thought the Saint pro would be a good fit, but was surprised at how flippy they were for me. I recently discovered the Lots, and it went straight in the bag. The straight flight makes it fly exactly like escapes used to for me, while also bagging two thunderbirds when I need a bit more stability
Same exact boat as you. Saint Pro felt too flippy even though I expected it to be a baby Raider. Escape just SAILS right to max distance on like 70% arm speed lol. I ended up falling in love with a Lucid Getaway. Perfect amount of beef, can turn over a smidge if you really send it or have a headwind (just like a raider), and feels incredible in the hand for both FH/BH.
The Gateway Diablo flies well for this slot, I just didn't like the lip on it and use a dynasty instead. People also say the Apache flies like this slot despite its numbers, but I haven't thrown it. Don't even consider a Lone Star Dos X for this slot, it's way too overstable for it. The Lariat might work better than the Wrangler though.
K1 Lots for me. The first Run mint color is more neutral and the latest K1 Hard are more stable if you cannot track down a pearly Charle Lots. Also shout out to the 2023 Stacie Rawnsley run. Some lighter weights that are most similiar to First Run in flight if you don't want to splash $50 for a First Run thrower or $80-$100 for unthrown
I use two discs in this slot. My Lucid Saint flips and finishes a little more than the Saint pro. If I'm okay with a more right finish I choose this. Both my Prism and Proton Insanity's are if I want to hold the line a little tighter, but am okay with more fade at the end.
I love and bag many discs within that control turn and fade number category of -1 / 2. I’d love to see what y’all think of the brave, servo, drive, aztec, enigma, sword, savant, and pharaoh. These range from speeds 6.5 up to 13, but those control turn and fade numbers of -1 / 2 are very interesting across multiple speeds.
Star thunderbird is the one i use for control, 9 5 0 2, but for controller flip/still faded I use the axiom glow inertia. 9 5 -2 2, but the the slightly beefier glow plastic makes it perfect.
I bag a Tessla in that slot. The flight numbers you should do are 12 5 -1 3 2 of the Destroyer and 11 5 -1 3 2 of the Wraith because many manufacturers seem to have discs with those numbers.
Lower armspeed here (injuries), I like the Sapphire, Maverick, Brave for distance I can get at my armspeed where it goes straight with a fade at the end.
Thanks for the update I'm interested in the newly registered manufacturers Compound Discs and Forge Discs on PDGA, so I'd be happy if you could cover them in a video.
I've had Saints but it's not as stable. It has been my turn and go far far and right disc. Today got a Ti Undertaker from a sale (seems great) but of course I have CD1, Cinnamon, Saint Pro :D and I'm gonna put them to test. If a slightly faster disc is allowed, I'm gonna add Musket.
For my arm (a 55yo 330ft'er)... The Tesler (mine is a swamp find, grass coloured, plasma, no stamp factory 2nd) flies fairly straight thrown flat.. with an almost "Oh that's right, I'm supposed to fade' late hard fade and skip. Great for going up a fairway then round a tree etc. dogleg.
9-11 speeds are probably my favorite as far as hand feel goes. I picked up a Lone Star Lariat in alpha plastic for this slot I guess, which is 9 5 -1 1. Feels ok. Flies true to the numbers imo. If I get my hyzer angle right it is a laser beam, but can be a tiny bit touchy due to the 1 fade. Only got so much room in my bag.
I have the CD-1 in S-line, 173g, and it flies more like a 9 5 -2 1 than -1 2. Im a 350-ish max thrower and on a flat shot it will turn and hopd that turn line for a long distance before panning down. One of my longest discs though, a staple in my bag.
I currently use an opto musket that has a slight bit if turn as it is getting seasoned. I have been trying new molds to replace it as they only have skull art for the musket (which i dont vare for) ir plainstock stamps. I want to find a cool looking disc that flies the same rather than the plain one i do have or the skull art work that i dont like. So far tournament bears are very close. The hard part is that the musket has good glide and it consistently is about 20ft past all the others i have tried. I do have an ice orbit escape for my strait witg no finish sonthat glimmer escape may be perfect for me. I get about 300 out of my escape and musket. Only about a 48 mph arm speed.
I prefer 6-8 speeds in the fairway driver role because most courses I play require a narrower line than what a 9 speed flies. Instinct is my common go-to, but sometimes I disc up to a Fission Volt.
I have a Saint (not pro) that I got thinking the extra glide would help out my noodle arm. I'd be interested in how it compares if you guys do a part 2.
I throw a timberwolf in this slot. I really wanted to bag the Tesla but I found it too overstable for that slot. I have tried a H4 (too understable), fx-3 (solid candidate), Aztec, f2, dos x, lariat, and shadowfax. I also have a brand new savant that I am looking to test out. I have bought most of these used as well. I like to throw discs already beat in for some reason.
I throw constructs. The plastics vary pretty heavily in stability. I’m at 4500 feet so the aura constructs are perfect hyzer flip to flat to turn while the ethos and ethereal are straight to stable. Really similar flight to the cd1 for the ethos.
Ironically I got a dyed Undertaker from the Trash Panda Holiday Disc Exchange, then like two weeks later got a dyed Lots from the local putting league, exact same Charlie Goodpasture pro model no less. I love both of them equally so it's a struggle which one is my daily driver in that slot.
The First Run Rally's were beefier than intended according to Drew. Believe they retooled them a bit for the stock runs and they have more flip up now. If you do another one of these videos, I'd test a stock run Rally as they are different discs.
I have an esp undertaker and a big z undertaker, the esp is by far a much flippier disc. They both have finish but the esp holds the turn for far longer. They are both about the same age and have been used the same amount.
The undertaker is my most thrown disc these days. I have them in so many different plastics that I’ve lost count,but my favorite ones are just stock z and z swirl. Such a dependable disc.
I used to LOVE my lucid escape (I got 2)... They bomb, but saddly they are just "throwlers" for me right now. My 350' disc is a beat in champ tee bird. But for a long time it was my escape and innova champ savant. escape turns when new savant doesn't at 350'. But the savant is now flippy at about 2 years of wear and 65+ mph arm speeds, like my lucid escapes were new at about 58 mph arm speed. Basicslly I think I need to find a thunder bird or anax and see how they work for me ... Misisng an 'over stable" disc between a 7 and 12 speed has been rough recently.
I been tossing Yikun Hou yi with those same 10/6/-1/2 as the Construct and it flys well understable even with my noodle arm so maybe its that extra glide that causes the more understable flight or something IDK.
@@nathanbrinson well that's unfortunate. I know a few people throwing the ethos and they all fly similar. Tiny flip up, straight and glidey, tiny fade. I've seen nothing but understable with aura plastic so I assumed.
I bag a k1 lots and an aura construct. Aura construct is definitely more understable than the rest of this list, and thats why I bag both. I feel like the extra glide is the culprit, just like how the river is more understable than the Passion or Cicada for me, more glide equals SLIGHTLY more flip.
I realize that the Valkyrie is advertised as -2 turn, but that’s the archetypal disc in this slot. Pick the plastic that gives you the right stability for this slot and you have a winner.
I'd like to see a showdown between the Saint and the Escape. Some reviews show the Saint going a bit farther, but your results with the glimmer Escape are impressive. In a variety of plastics please.
I bag the pie pan grunt in cherry plastic. 9/5/-1/2. Mine is 163 so gets a bit more turn than the discs in your video but a full weight would match perfectly what you’re looking for.
Pew pew star savant! My g-star thunderbird has beaten in to be pretty similar now. My glow Lots is really flippy do I use it for forehand turnover shots since I suck at backhand...
The Champion Thunderbird has kept me from bagging this specific slot. Its only downside for me is the flashing on forehands, but so far, the pain is worth the result. The new C-line FD1 is awesome though, so that CD1's very tempting!
@@SheaParkes yeah, I should. I was hoping it'd smooth out through use, and then I was worried that sanding it might make it less stable. I should value my skin more.
Flashing does increase stability (because it's functionally raising the PLH). But I would personally not suggest relying on flashing to make something more stable. In addition to being painful, one good road skip can take most of that off at once. There are plenty of stability of Thunderbird out there. Go somewhere in person and grab a high wing champ. Or if online try a halo star or a big jerm thunderbird for more stability.
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I throw a 169g Thoughtspace Ethereal Construct. My distance is forehand shots 270'-300'+ (backhand up to 250'+). The Construct has slightly more fade than my beat in 173g Star Valkyrie that can still handle the forehand when thrown flat. But maybe a touch less fade than my 174g K1 Lots, though very similar lines. TLDR definitely not flippy like the Aura Construct in the vid despite my lack of power.
I absolutely LOVE these videos. At some point maybe the disc golf industry will shore up their flight numbers to be more meaningful or maybe they will come up with a more scientific way to use the numbers they have now. For now, I will continue to watch these videos to help with my understanding of disc flights.
I use a K1 Falk (flattish, clear orange) that is probably uncharacteristically stable. It's not nearly as flippy as the domey K1 Falk (opaque, yellow, domey) that I also bag.
The saint on my experience is mich more true to the -1 and is a bit flippier thanmost of these strait fairways. It tends to have a bit more turn and a but less fade. I would give the saint more of a -1 turn and a 1 fade.
From my experience Opto (non-Pro) Saints fly an awful lot like Lucid Escapes. Yes, a bit more glide. I love my Saints, but ... yes, they are flippy and are fairly easy to overturn. When my touch isn't "on" (or there's a headwind) I jump to a Millennium Orion LS or Musket, depending on the shot for a bit more stability. But when my touch is on, I can get some really long straight flights from them.
I got a construct in a mystery box and the parting line is much higher in the profile, it's so over stable I can't throw it. Maybe different runs differ greatly
My construct flew the same as y’all, so it’s not just you guys it’s definitely their ratings. I was disappointed in the flight, not what I was looking for.
I have a noodle arm (300 ft with an Escape) so when brand new my Escape was perfect but now that it’s beat in it just goes dead straight for 90% of the flight with a moderate fade at the very end.
I have a G★ Thunderbird for this slot, the new ★Thundie sits a tick up and a Champ Valkyrie a step down. I am jumping from a speed 5-6 to 9 directly so also bagging a Big Z Heat and a fuzion Felon down and up from those, this is a great thickness of rim for my hands, not for max distance but controlled distance. But I could replace the slot with a Dynasty, Lots, Sapphire (White Opto 164g big dome always more stable than I think, not coloring makes a bit more stable discs @ Trilogy from my experience so far), Saint, Rockstar (one with a small dome is T-1,F2 else they are T0, F2.5!), Viking Discs Fenrir in Armor (Storm is close to a -2,2), FX-4 (on backhand for sure not -2,1 more of T-0.5,F2 in 400 plastic). The Dynasty is supposed to be the sold CD2, aka what the new CD1 tries to emulate :.…
Hmmm...so why not simply throw a putter? We've seen Caleb pump some out past 360' in a previous video. I mean, if one could throw a putter that far (with the higher degree of consistent accuracy those molds provide), why not use that to drive with every time? Does it take too much energy? I don't get it.
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Part 2: Saint. Innova savant. Westside Stag. DGA sail (I always say it’s a 9 5 -1 1 despite its vastly different flight numbers), zetas moon s blend, I’d also throw in some 9-5-2-2 discs like the Valkyrie (despite the 4 glide). I work in a disc shop one day a week and I always recommend this series to newbies who want to learn about different discs. Love the flight numbers don’t matter series.
Sail is at least 10 5 -2 1 imho
Why not the pipeline from DGA. That seems like a better comparison
@@justwondering1926 I’m just not familiar with that one. I got a Sail thinking it would be a really flippy driver but it’s like a 9 speed crave to me. I bag a hatchet and a sail to fill that understable and straight lines but looking for something a step up in stability to pair with the other 2. The Sail has a 1.9 centimeter rim, which effectively makes it a 9 speed despite the 11 speed it’s listed as. But I’d be happy to see him test the pipeline and anything else people think fits that bill.
@@BryceRogers_ different runs maybe. Ive tried a buddies older sails and they are much flippier, despite being unused. But im also basing it on how it performs for my 57 year old arm speed. Exact same flight as my crave. Just a bit longer. Guessing faster arms get a lot more flip.
Also the Westside Bear is a close comparison.
The aura construct is the most understable plastic, they actually changed the numbers on it in aura to -2 instead of -1 . Nebula and ethos construct are pretty straight with a lil fade at the end.
The ethereal ones will flip to flat and just push with a slight fade at the end.
I used to bag an aura and an ethereal. Great compliments to each other, a 1-2 punch. But I was more comfortable with my Valkyries so I ended up with them instead. Aura Constructs definitely remind me more of Valkyries than Dynasties
My ethos construct flies more like a PD, but the aura is very flippy, not much more stable than my mantra. The ethereal is the one that actually flies like the flight numbers, at least of the discs I have.
yeah alot of Thoughtspaceathletics disc change wildly with there plastics. have a Whole line up of one disc in the 🎒
@@thacherdramstad8410 I second this. Nebula Ethereal is the perfect plastic for this mold
A great consistent easy to throw disc in the slot for me is the Millennium Orion LF. They make two versions of the Orion, the straight and the fade version, both are great but the LF long fade is that reliable wind disc for me.
The lots is an absolute staple for me, the Goodpasture tour series are definitely out of the box more stable than the K1 line discs are, but within id say 10 really solid hits off of things it begins to do exactly what you want out of an out of the box lots, and the one I have has stayed true to that path since basically! Love the CG lots, I'd recommend them to everyone, even for the increased price
I use an Undertaker for this slot. 300-350' straight with a slight turn and a nice fade at the end. Any more power than that and it gets too flippy, which kinda negates the control part. As a beginner it was the first disc I was able to break 300' with and it flew farther than my distance drivers (which I shouldn't have even been throwing at the time). This and the Heat are great introductions to fairway drivers and for learning to get that nose down.
Tesla for me is exactly what my Innova Thunderbird was. When looking at MVP numbers, I compensate for the extra gyro effect of the overmold by adding a 1 to the turn number. So it's more of a 9502 for me.
Or you can go 7 to 8 grams lower in weight than what you usually throw to get the expected lines from the flight numbers.
Gyro doesn’t always add stability tho, I’m not sure if that’s what u meant but be careful if you think gyro always adds a 1
Even on their site they say the Wrath is a beat in Tesla, the Wrath has a 9/5/-0.5/2 so yea idk why they haven’t changed the Tesla numbers to 9/5/0/2. Even Simon says it rarely has any turn to it.
@@MichaelSweet-nn5bg I throw a 159g Tesla & it flies like my ancient Champ Thunderbird did when a baby.
Discmania Vanguard is a 9,5,0,2 "Thunderbird" ?
I find it considerably less stable than a Thunderbird. But it flies more like a Thunderbird than my Savant.
@@curtisridenour as a "850-ish and about 330/350-max distiance player" I find it hard to find the trusty difference between my C-line CD1, new S-line TD, Lone Howl/Nordic Phenom PD and The Vanguard... they do moooore or less the same with my amount of inconcistencies... Would be interessting to see Caleb throw them all ( and including the S-line CD, and Zeta's moon too) - The jump in my bag from FD's, FD1's and C-line FD3 and up to my DD and DD1's is generally a big mess
@@anderschristianhaldpederse8472 I throw in Denver and up in the mountains. Discs fly differently up here. So I also struggle to notice the difference in some of the more stable higher speed discs. All I know is that my Thunderbird seems unthrowable backhand and my vanguard can hold that line a bit longer. Forehand I am more likely to flip the vanguard over. Now that might just be my Thunderbird.
It turns and glides easily, but is trustworthy.
K1 Lots thrower here.
Y'all missed the Orion LF. The OG for this slot.
YEAH. I have 1.2 and 1.3 in dome and flat.
The escape is my go-to fairway, but it GOES, just like happened here for the glimmer. My lucid air is understable, and my regular Lucid is my "frozen rope" driver. My supreme though is so much more overstable than the one y'all have. I dont' think I have any 2 escapes that fly the same though... 😬
Another interesting one. I'd say the DD Getaway is more what the Escape claims to be and what I bag in this slot.
My local shop has the TSA Construct as 10/6/-2/2 for Aura plastic but 10/6/-1/2 for everything else. I find the Construct in Cosmic Neutron to be the most straight flying with very gradual turn throughout the whole time it pushes forward with a gentle but dependable fade at the end.
I like my cd1. For the Thunderbird slot I bag a vanguard
I bag both the Latitude 64 Saint in Opto plastic and the Dynamic Discs Escape. They both share a very similar flight shape, but differ in distance when thrown close to full. The Saint gives me an extra 75 feet of distance without sacrificing control.
I love these comparisons. One thing I noted here is that our guy threw all these discs with a hyzer angle as well as some on lines a lot further right than others. I’d take these comparisons with more than a grain of salt. Also, comparing an i-blend to a c-line it’s not going to give comparative results. The i-blend is like a cross between S-line and G-star where as the C-line is like champion. Completely different flight paths.
I had a hard time figuring out my neutron Tesla (171g) until a friend described it as a slower wraith with a low speed fade much closer to 3 than 2. Have been liking it a lot more since that conversation.
I bag the I blend Dynasty & a Fuzion Escape. The Dynasty is the only disc I can consistently do hyzerflips with some turn. The escape gets me a similar flip up and distance, but stays straighter. Less turn & less fade than my dynasty.
That’s why I bag both. Same numbers but two different shots.
The stability of the aura construct is more dependent on how domey it is, than anything. The one you have is pretty domey, which means it'll be pretty flippy. That level of dome tends to only get run in aura and nebula ethereal, from what I've seen. If you look on infinite, you'll see aura constructs (usually low weight) that are flat enough they almost look like different discs. Those are what I replaced my undertaker with, and they're a solid replacement (though they're longer than the undertaker). For more consistency, the Ethos plastic is more similar, run to run - though a bit more stable overall than the flat aura ones. Think of it as the difference between an undertaker (aura), and an Athena (Ethos).
So insane... My buddy and I keep debating the slots you make videos for the week you release... So handy! Thanks
For my arm the s-line CD1 is perfect. Has the nice flip up on a baby hyzer and rides straight for most of it’s flight till the fade kicks in and it’s a nice pushing fade.
Just picked up a Lots. Only threw it a few times before I threw it on an over the water shot. Got scared when it turned way more than expected, but came back with beef and actually landed farther to the right of my aiming point (forehand throw).
Great video.
7:36 if you are looking for a opto saint. Order straight from latitude 64.
When I started playing, the escape was a go to for me in the woods, and it would just fly dead straight. I stopped playing for a few years and came back to it, with apparently a lot more arm speed.
All of my old escapes were way too flippy now, and all of the new ones I bought were more of the same. Here started my search.
I thought the Saint pro would be a good fit, but was surprised at how flippy they were for me.
I recently discovered the Lots, and it went straight in the bag. The straight flight makes it fly exactly like escapes used to for me, while also bagging two thunderbirds when I need a bit more stability
Same exact boat as you. Saint Pro felt too flippy even though I expected it to be a baby Raider. Escape just SAILS right to max distance on like 70% arm speed lol. I ended up falling in love with a Lucid Getaway. Perfect amount of beef, can turn over a smidge if you really send it or have a headwind (just like a raider), and feels incredible in the hand for both FH/BH.
The Gateway Diablo flies well for this slot, I just didn't like the lip on it and use a dynasty instead. People also say the Apache flies like this slot despite its numbers, but I haven't thrown it. Don't even consider a Lone Star Dos X for this slot, it's way too overstable for it. The Lariat might work better than the Wrangler though.
I've gone through a few of these but settled on the Dynasty; bag 2 in different plastics.
great video.
K1 Lots for me. The first Run mint color is more neutral and the latest K1 Hard are more stable if you cannot track down a pearly Charle Lots.
Also shout out to the 2023 Stacie Rawnsley run. Some lighter weights that are most similiar to First Run in flight if you don't want to splash $50 for a First Run thrower or $80-$100 for unthrown
I use two discs in this slot. My Lucid Saint flips and finishes a little more than the Saint pro. If I'm okay with a more right finish I choose this. Both my Prism and Proton Insanity's are if I want to hold the line a little tighter, but am okay with more fade at the end.
I love and bag many discs within that control turn and fade number category of -1 / 2. I’d love to see what y’all think of the brave, servo, drive, aztec, enigma, sword, savant, and pharaoh. These range from speeds 6.5 up to 13, but those control turn and fade numbers of -1 / 2 are very interesting across multiple speeds.
Star thunderbird is the one i use for control, 9 5 0 2, but for controller flip/still faded I use the axiom glow inertia. 9 5 -2 2, but the the slightly beefier glow plastic makes it perfect.
I bag a Tessla in that slot. The flight numbers you should do are 12 5 -1 3 2 of the Destroyer and 11 5 -1 3 2 of the Wraith because many manufacturers seem to have discs with those numbers.
Lower armspeed here (injuries), I like the Sapphire, Maverick, Brave for distance I can get at my armspeed where it goes straight with a fade at the end.
Thanks for the update
I'm interested in the newly registered manufacturers Compound Discs and Forge Discs on PDGA, so I'd be happy if you could cover them in a video.
I've had Saints but it's not as stable. It has been my turn and go far far and right disc. Today got a Ti Undertaker from a sale (seems great) but of course I have CD1, Cinnamon, Saint Pro :D and I'm gonna put them to test. If a slightly faster disc is allowed, I'm gonna add Musket.
For my arm (a 55yo 330ft'er)... The Tesler (mine is a swamp find, grass coloured, plasma, no stamp factory 2nd) flies fairly straight thrown flat.. with an almost "Oh that's right, I'm supposed to fade' late hard fade and skip.
Great for going up a fairway then round a tree etc. dogleg.
9-11 speeds are probably my favorite as far as hand feel goes. I picked up a Lone Star Lariat in alpha plastic for this slot I guess, which is 9 5 -1 1. Feels ok. Flies true to the numbers imo. If I get my hyzer angle right it is a laser beam, but can be a tiny bit touchy due to the 1 fade. Only got so much room in my bag.
Make a part 2 for sure! Keep up the awesome content.
For part two id add in a k1 solf Falk and a Champion leopard. It could be that i dont throw hard enough but the go straight with a good fade
Yeah, both of those are quite a bit more understable than this slot
I have the CD-1 in S-line, 173g, and it flies more like a 9 5 -2 1 than -1 2. Im a 350-ish max thrower and on a flat shot it will turn and hopd that turn line for a long distance before panning down. One of my longest discs though, a staple in my bag.
I currently use an opto musket that has a slight bit if turn as it is getting seasoned. I have been trying new molds to replace it as they only have skull art for the musket (which i dont vare for) ir plainstock stamps. I want to find a cool looking disc that flies the same rather than the plain one i do have or the skull art work that i dont like. So far tournament bears are very close. The hard part is that the musket has good glide and it consistently is about 20ft past all the others i have tried. I do have an ice orbit escape for my strait witg no finish sonthat glimmer escape may be perfect for me. I get about 300 out of my escape and musket. Only about a 48 mph arm speed.
I prefer 6-8 speeds in the fairway driver role because most courses I play require a narrower line than what a 9 speed flies. Instinct is my common go-to, but sometimes I disc up to a Fission Volt.
That slot is the Fusion Escape for me
Same 👌
I have a Saint (not pro) that I got thinking the extra glide would help out my noodle arm. I'd be interested in how it compares if you guys do a part 2.
Innova Viking, I think it's a 4 glide ? But it's my go to. Savant seems to be closer to a thunderbird, for me
I love the Viking. The thing that sucks about throwing it, is they don't produce the mold a ton. It can be hard to find/ replace.
I throw a timberwolf in this slot. I really wanted to bag the Tesla but I found it too overstable for that slot. I have tried a H4 (too understable), fx-3 (solid candidate), Aztec, f2, dos x, lariat, and shadowfax. I also have a brand new savant that I am looking to test out. I have bought most of these used as well. I like to throw discs already beat in for some reason.
I throw constructs. The plastics vary pretty heavily in stability. I’m at 4500 feet so the aura constructs are perfect hyzer flip to flat to turn while the ethos and ethereal are straight to stable. Really similar flight to the cd1 for the ethos.
Ironically I got a dyed Undertaker from the Trash Panda Holiday Disc Exchange, then like two weeks later got a dyed Lots from the local putting league, exact same Charlie Goodpasture pro model no less. I love both of them equally so it's a struggle which one is my daily driver in that slot.
The First Run Rally's were beefier than intended according to Drew. Believe they retooled them a bit for the stock runs and they have more flip up now. If you do another one of these videos, I'd test a stock run Rally as they are different discs.
I have an esp undertaker and a big z undertaker, the esp is by far a much flippier disc. They both have finish but the esp holds the turn for far longer. They are both about the same age and have been used the same amount.
The undertaker is my most thrown disc these days. I have them in so many different plastics that I’ve lost count,but my favorite ones are just stock z and z swirl. Such a dependable disc.
I used to LOVE my lucid escape (I got 2)... They bomb, but saddly they are just "throwlers" for me right now.
My 350' disc is a beat in champ tee bird. But for a long time it was my escape and innova champ savant. escape turns when new savant doesn't at 350'. But the savant is now flippy at about 2 years of wear and 65+ mph arm speeds, like my lucid escapes were new at about 58 mph arm speed.
Basicslly I think I need to find a thunder bird or anax and see how they work for me ... Misisng an 'over stable" disc between a 7 and 12 speed has been rough recently.
I been tossing Yikun Hou yi with those same 10/6/-1/2 as the Construct and it flys well understable even with my noodle arm so maybe its that extra glide that causes the more understable flight or something IDK.
My construct flies exactly like the one in this video! Thought I was going crazy there for a second.
Aura constructs are very understable compared to the Ethos. I bag an ethos for this slot and it's very much like a lots or escape.
@@Darthyeetrous shoulda stipulated, mine is an ethos construct, flies like a sidewinder
@@nathanbrinson well that's unfortunate. I know a few people throwing the ethos and they all fly similar. Tiny flip up, straight and glidey, tiny fade. I've seen nothing but understable with aura plastic so I assumed.
Should be mentioned that the Infinite Dynasty is the rebranded Innova made Discmania CD2. Best Control fairway ever made.
I bag a k1 lots and an aura construct. Aura construct is definitely more understable than the rest of this list, and thats why I bag both. I feel like the extra glide is the culprit, just like how the river is more understable than the Passion or Cicada for me, more glide equals SLIGHTLY more flip.
I realize that the Valkyrie is advertised as -2 turn, but that’s the archetypal disc in this slot. Pick the plastic that gives you the right stability for this slot and you have a winner.
I ended up giving my esp undertaker away after I got a color glow Thunderbird. It seems to be more reliable and better for these Texas winds.
I'd like to see a showdown between the Saint and the Escape.
Some reviews show the Saint going a bit farther, but your results with the glimmer Escape are impressive.
In a variety of plastics please.
I bag the pie pan grunt in cherry plastic. 9/5/-1/2. Mine is 163 so gets a bit more turn than the discs in your video but a full weight would match perfectly what you’re looking for.
Pew pew star savant! My g-star thunderbird has beaten in to be pretty similar now. My glow Lots is really flippy do I use it for forehand turnover shots since I suck at backhand...
The Champion Thunderbird has kept me from bagging this specific slot. Its only downside for me is the flashing on forehands, but so far, the pain is worth the result. The new C-line FD1 is awesome though, so that CD1's very tempting!
Dude, just sand off the flashing. The manufacturers didn't mean it to be there and it's entirely legal to remove.
@@SheaParkes yeah, I should. I was hoping it'd smooth out through use, and then I was worried that sanding it might make it less stable. I should value my skin more.
Flashing does increase stability (because it's functionally raising the PLH). But I would personally not suggest relying on flashing to make something more stable. In addition to being painful, one good road skip can take most of that off at once.
There are plenty of stability of Thunderbird out there. Go somewhere in person and grab a high wing champ. Or if online try a halo star or a big jerm thunderbird for more stability.
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I use a beta up Uli Z Swirl Raptor for this slot if I just want something to flip to flat, and I use an old ESP Glo Undertaker if I want more turn
I bag a K1 Lots, and the Joey Buckets K1 Hard Lots. Gives you a bit more stability over the K1.
I throw a 169g Thoughtspace Ethereal Construct. My distance is forehand shots 270'-300'+ (backhand up to 250'+). The Construct has slightly more fade than my beat in 173g Star Valkyrie that can still handle the forehand when thrown flat. But maybe a touch less fade than my 174g K1 Lots, though very similar lines.
TLDR definitely not flippy like the Aura Construct in the vid despite my lack of power.
Prodigy FX-4 is extremely close to a Undertaker.
I absolutely LOVE these videos. At some point maybe the disc golf industry will shore up their flight numbers to be more meaningful or maybe they will come up with a more scientific way to use the numbers they have now. For now, I will continue to watch these videos to help with my understanding of disc flights.
For the construct, it is the Aura plastic that comes out more US. Gotta get different plastic for the similar -1/2 flight.
I use a K1 Falk (flattish, clear orange) that is probably uncharacteristically stable. It's not nearly as flippy as the domey K1 Falk (opaque, yellow, domey) that I also bag.
Super helpful thank you!
The saint on my experience is mich more true to the -1 and is a bit flippier thanmost of these strait fairways. It tends to have a bit more turn and a but less fade. I would give the saint more of a -1 turn and a 1 fade.
Yea I’m having trouble numbering mine. Either -0.5/1.5 or -1/1.5 (I use .5 fades for discs that want to fight back but don’t always).
From my experience Opto (non-Pro) Saints fly an awful lot like Lucid Escapes. Yes, a bit more glide.
I love my Saints, but ... yes, they are flippy and are fairly easy to overturn. When my touch isn't "on" (or there's a headwind) I jump to a Millennium Orion LS or Musket, depending on the shot for a bit more stability. But when my touch is on, I can get some really long straight flights from them.
I bag a halo star TL3 in this slot.
I’d love to see y’all do an approach slot video. There are so many out there these days!
This slot of discs has been a point of contention for myself. I can't tell you which one is in my bag because idk and it's always changing lol
I got a construct in a mystery box and the parting line is much higher in the profile, it's so over stable I can't throw it. Maybe different runs differ greatly
I bag 2 Saint pros (gold orbit and VIP) and a supreme escape for the over-straight-understable combo
I bought two Saint pro’s, 175 and 171, and they were both super flippy for me. I wonder if there’s some inconsistencies there
Need a part two for the saint. Mine turns over. I wonder if it's me haha. Yall should throw the mvp energy it's the most overstable disc I've seen!
My construct flew the same as y’all, so it’s not just you guys it’s definitely their ratings. I was disappointed in the flight, not what I was looking for.
I have a noodle arm (300 ft with an Escape) so when brand new my Escape was perfect but now that it’s beat in it just goes dead straight for 90% of the flight with a moderate fade at the very end.
Try an Ethos Construct. Mine's pretty stable (but not overly so) for backhand and forehand, certainly more so than my Saints.
Supreme Escape. I might have to try a Construct for understable slot to replace Diamond
I throw a glow Lots for my glow bag and it is perfect. I also throw a Star Valkyrie in my reg bag and it does a ton of work for me.
MVP Tesla in proton is one of my favorite discs, 9 5 -1 2 Mine has hit at least 50 trees and still retains its flight characteristics.
my construct flew the same as the video shows. got rid of it and got a dynasty.
Could you test the opto ice striker?
I thought I had a bunk supreme Escape or I just couldn't throw it. Mine also dumps like a -4 turn instead of a -1 turn.
I have a TSA Construct in Nebula Ethereal plastic, and I would say it flies very true to their description of it.
Have you done overstable approach yet for this series?
Would have loved to see the recent s line cd1 and zetas moon against each other. Love my zeta but don't know if the sline is more stable
I had a construct and found it to be much more understable than the numbers suggested
I bag an FD for this shot shape right now, but i used to bag a Lat64 Saint.
I have a G★ Thunderbird for this slot, the new ★Thundie sits a tick up and a Champ Valkyrie a step down.
I am jumping from a speed 5-6 to 9 directly so also bagging a Big Z Heat and a fuzion Felon down and up from those, this is a great thickness of rim for my hands, not for max distance but controlled distance.
But I could replace the slot with a Dynasty, Lots, Sapphire (White Opto 164g big dome always more stable than I think, not coloring makes a bit more stable discs @ Trilogy from my experience so far), Saint, Rockstar (one with a small dome is T-1,F2 else they are T0, F2.5!), Viking Discs Fenrir in Armor (Storm is close to a -2,2), FX-4 (on backhand for sure not -2,1 more of T-0.5,F2 in 400 plastic).
The Dynasty is supposed to be the sold CD2, aka what the new CD1 tries to emulate :.…
I use the DGA Banzai for this slot
I bag a westside Bear in that Slot, its a 8speed i think🤔
Hmmm...so why not simply throw a putter? We've seen Caleb pump some out past 360' in a previous video. I mean, if one could throw a putter that far (with the higher degree of consistent accuracy those molds provide), why not use that to drive with every time? Does it take too much energy? I don't get it.
I’ve never been this early to a video in my life lol
How was the Innova savant not included?
Do a video comparing axiom, streamline, and mvp discs with the same flight numbers. There are several.
I really like the Prodigy FX3 in this slot. It’s actually keeping the Tesla out of my bag atm.
I know this was 7 months ago but the Vanguard was released in 2023 and had flight numbers of 9 5 0 2.
That run of construct specifically is pretty understable. Id say the ethos and nebula ethereal that ive thrown are much straighter.