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When I run Mythras, I use a very helpful background effect table, and nearly every one gives a useful thread for conflict and motivation. It gets some juicy characters
peace is the exception, usually the result of a conflict, and breaks down after the peacemakers have been succeeded by the next generation. Absolutely key to both interesting settings/hooks/plots and verasimilitude A homebrew setting I'm developing is in a period of uneasy relative peace, where small wars between neighbors are expected to eventually initiate another major conflict that will consume the region. What's unclear is which match lights which fire first, and how old grudges will determine the sides once "the big one" starts to unfold
Good post subject @Loki. Conflicts challenge the players and that drives the game. I also do not shy away from including slavery, abuse, the ravages and suffering of warfare. My grim fantasy setting doesn’t dwell exclusively on these difficult subjects but they’re certainly a part of it, just like this real world and the history of our species.
Exactly. I include these concepts but I don't go into too much detail regarding them. I'd rather leave it to my player's imaginations for what I could mean when I say "Orc Brutality".
Perfectly explained. To create damn good stories I also use the three levels of conflict and boy - these keeps the players on their toes and brings the world alive around the pcs.
I like your perspective, ideas, and creativity. Helps to validate this old Grognard. Happy B-day to us here across the pond and sorry for taking away your frontier.
My last game had a great hook for some interpersonal conflict. The edgelord character found out that summoning demons in public is a bad idea. He found this out because another PC similarly dressed (they were trying to hide him from assassins and had a lot of black cloaks from cultists they killed) was arrested in his place.
Man vs man, Man vs Nature, Man vs Self. As a DM to run those gritty games this is used on a constant basis. I believe your DM from Dark Sun was not comfortable with slavery due to the real life experiences in history. A slave is seen less than human but who is human and objectified. Its a theme some people don't want to address or lets be honest want to larp this whole issue because it gives them the chance to be sadistic and act out inner urges they can't in the real world. In my VTM games I learned from that system that it gives you power from the jump and the real fun is learning what type of person you are with power. D&D is more of the overcoming the odds type of game as some people see it as that only. Being the hope in a hopeless world gives you feeling of accomplishment easily but having ethical choices and issues thorwn at you every second can be draining and so people just want to slay monsters
Best way to justify slavery in a fantasy scenario is simply to understand that the conception of human rights we have today that determines slavery to be an evil is very much a product of centuries of philosophical evolution. There was a time, specially in pre-christian societies, where slavery really wasn't looked at as an evil act, because the philosophy behind that judgement simply didn't exist.
I think the concept of slavery as evil being mainstream, at least locally, is something like 200-250 years old. I remember reading how the conflicts with groups like the Mayflower settlers would start with the natives thinking it was a way to count coup and finding out that the settlers viewed it as a life or death struggle. I know of two New England conflicts where the settlers killed and enslaved the entire tribes involved....and the only people who thought it was over the top were the other local natives because "it was just about counting coup."
I found the thoughts somewhat nonspecific and vague. I appreciated your examples. I wish you would dive deeper into this subject because not a lot of what was said was very novel. I think you have the opportunity to really explore this
Seems to me that modern D&D under WotC has basically tried to remove all sense of conflict, especially with the latest reveals from the art of the new books. There's hardly any sense of adventure or challenge; everything looks kinda samey and lacking in anything that looks like conflict.
Regarding slavery, there has been a massive push from interest groups to remove it from the game because even having it as a plothook is verbotten. If you want to try and understand the reasoning, I'd suggest looking up "From a Freelancer: An Open Letter to Erik Mona" where a Paizo freelancer tries to articulate it.
You are correct. I’m fine if WOTC does not want to address “difficult”topics in their products but I don’t use their products anyway. I prefer my own settings and my own adventures, homebrew, point crawls, NPCs, etc. I just don’t understand why so many people feel bound to play the RAW or solely use the supplements sold by WOTC or any other company. Watch a movie, read a book, the ideas are all around us. But I realize it’s difficult for some people to read and write and expound on these ideas into playable assets. Have fun playing anything you and your players enjoy. 👍🏼
An Adult that can't handle the real elements of the world in a game are not adults. Just big infants that have no place in a society of equals, they make themselves lesser.
Hey guys I’m trying to get back to posting regularly again so please make sure to drop a like and leave a comment; even something like “thanks for posting” really helps my videos reach more people. Thank you! 🔥
love the darksun thumbnail, great video.
@@JonathanVucic Thank you!
Another solid vid. Was just thinking about this recently.
*Conflict is the hallmark of history.*
It's human nature after all.
When I run Mythras, I use a very helpful background effect table, and nearly every one gives a useful thread for conflict and motivation. It gets some juicy characters
@@levihankenson3801 that’s actually great honestly. Sometimes players just need that extra bit of help.
Thanks for another video, Loki! I’ve always liked videos, and have been trying for to integrate your ideas in my new campaign
Hell yeah hope your game is going well!
peace is the exception, usually the result of a conflict, and breaks down after the peacemakers have been succeeded by the next generation. Absolutely key to both interesting settings/hooks/plots and verasimilitude
A homebrew setting I'm developing is in a period of uneasy relative peace, where small wars between neighbors are expected to eventually initiate another major conflict that will consume the region. What's unclear is which match lights which fire first, and how old grudges will determine the sides once "the big one" starts to unfold
Good post subject @Loki. Conflicts challenge the players and that drives the game. I also do not shy away from including slavery, abuse, the ravages and suffering of warfare. My grim fantasy setting doesn’t dwell exclusively on these difficult subjects but they’re certainly a part of it, just like this real world and the history of our species.
Exactly. I include these concepts but I don't go into too much detail regarding them. I'd rather leave it to my player's imaginations for what I could mean when I say "Orc Brutality".
Perfectly explained. To create damn good stories I also use the three levels of conflict and boy - these keeps the players on their toes and brings the world alive around the pcs.
I like your perspective, ideas, and creativity. Helps to validate this old Grognard. Happy B-day to us here across the pond and sorry for taking away your frontier.
@@Marcus-ki1en Have a nice day!
thanks for posting another great one!
Another great video, love the way your brain works ❤
My last game had a great hook for some interpersonal conflict. The edgelord character found out that summoning demons in public is a bad idea. He found this out because another PC similarly dressed (they were trying to hide him from assassins and had a lot of black cloaks from cultists they killed) was arrested in his place.
@@cp1cupcake oh that’s cool and yes, summoning demons in general is pretty bad.. surprised he didn’t know that 😂😂
@@LokisLair Well he is playing an edgelord. I even asked him twice if he just wants to do it in the middle of the street.....
Man vs man, Man vs Nature, Man vs Self. As a DM to run those gritty games this is used on a constant basis. I believe your DM from Dark Sun was not comfortable with slavery due to the real life experiences in history. A slave is seen less than human but who is human and objectified. Its a theme some people don't want to address or lets be honest want to larp this whole issue because it gives them the chance to be sadistic and act out inner urges they can't in the real world. In my VTM games I learned from that system that it gives you power from the jump and the real fun is learning what type of person you are with power. D&D is more of the overcoming the odds type of game as some people see it as that only. Being the hope in a hopeless world gives you feeling of accomplishment easily but having ethical choices and issues thorwn at you every second can be draining and so people just want to slay monsters
Best way to justify slavery in a fantasy scenario is simply to understand that the conception of human rights we have today that determines slavery to be an evil is very much a product of centuries of philosophical evolution.
There was a time, specially in pre-christian societies, where slavery really wasn't looked at as an evil act, because the philosophy behind that judgement simply didn't exist.
@@goukeban6197 that’s a well put together statement on it. I hope people read your comment for additional context. 👍🏻
I think the concept of slavery as evil being mainstream, at least locally, is something like 200-250 years old. I remember reading how the conflicts with groups like the Mayflower settlers would start with the natives thinking it was a way to count coup and finding out that the settlers viewed it as a life or death struggle.
I know of two New England conflicts where the settlers killed and enslaved the entire tribes involved....and the only people who thought it was over the top were the other local natives because "it was just about counting coup."
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
@lokisLair Sorry to hear about you Dark Sun experience. Join the Athascon Discord server for more Dark Sun content. KEEP HOPE ALIVE!
@@junesoler love this. Thanks!
I found the thoughts somewhat nonspecific and vague. I appreciated your examples. I wish you would dive deeper into this subject because not a lot of what was said was very novel. I think you have the opportunity to really explore this
To be fair people do eat cereal without milk.
Seems to me that modern D&D under WotC has basically tried to remove all sense of conflict, especially with the latest reveals from the art of the new books. There's hardly any sense of adventure or challenge; everything looks kinda samey and lacking in anything that looks like conflict.
Damn right you need conflict. This isnt Sims 😂
Regarding slavery, there has been a massive push from interest groups to remove it from the game because even having it as a plothook is verbotten. If you want to try and understand the reasoning, I'd suggest looking up "From a Freelancer: An Open Letter to Erik Mona" where a Paizo freelancer tries to articulate it.
You are correct. I’m fine if WOTC does not want to address “difficult”topics in their products but I don’t use their products anyway. I prefer my own settings and my own adventures, homebrew, point crawls, NPCs, etc. I just don’t understand why so many people feel bound to play the RAW or solely use the supplements sold by WOTC or any other company. Watch a movie, read a book, the ideas are all around us. But I realize it’s difficult for some people to read and write and expound on these ideas into playable assets. Have fun playing anything you and your players enjoy. 👍🏼
Darksun without slavery ? Total nonsense.
An Adult that can't handle the real elements of the world in a game are not adults. Just big infants that have no place in a society of equals, they make themselves lesser.