Don`t forget the fact that Rhaenyra demanded that Aemond be torturer, the term “questioned sharply” is a euphemism for torturing in a Song of Ice and Fire. Just to point out for those saying Rhaenyra would never harm Alicent`s children
There’s a difference between intending to do something and actively doing something. Pointing the finger at Rhaenyra’s intentions will never excuse Alicent’s actions 🤷♂️
@@michaelnkomphela8231 Luc would be alive if Aemond didn’t kill him “It’s ok mother, I may have lost an eye, but I gained a dragon” 10 years later… “GIVE ME YOUR EYE BASTARD!!!!”
It’s astounding how people acted like a kid mounting a dragon was more inconsiderate than Daemon mounting Rhaenyra right after his wife died. Like bruh 💀
And people are saying that Alicent lost her mind attacking Rhaenyra…like bruh Rhaenyra literally wanted a child to be tortured to save her own skin. I’m pretty sure everybody in this comment section would be filled with rage too if somebody ever wanted their child to undergo such torment.
It's easy why a lot of the internet love Rhenerya. She is a spoiled brat who shirks her duty as a princess but is allowed to get away with everything because her father refuses to see her faults. She has what they all want, all of the privileges with none of the draw backs. Allicent always did as she was told and never complained but now she stands to lose everything to a girl who always cried to get what she wanted. Allicent and Aemond did nothing wrong. Go greens!
When I was Aemond's age, my classmate flicked a chalk towards my eye. My dad was so mad that he asked for the kid to be suspended from school so Visery's reaction just made him crappy father #1
Rider doesn't chose the dragon, the dragon chooses the rider. Laena's children apparently think that dragons are meant to be their slaves or something. While I am a black supporter at heart, the Blacks online have shown ignorance so far and nothing else. They supposedly consider themselves progressives but ignore the plight of Alicent who is the real victim of patriarchy, being abused as a teenager and never allowed to explore her sexuality, being trapped with an old dying man who says to her face that he loves his dead wife still and was never a father to her children, and Rhaenyra in the meantime has nothing to say to her except that she would never be as pathetic as to pop out a lords kids to a teenage pregnant Alicent. This is what Alicent meant when she said "where is duty? where is sacrifice?" and all these supposed "feminists" went: "what a crazy jealous b**** lmao". Disgusting misogynistic behavior imo. Aemond is the only one in his generation with actual achievements to his name other then just being a prince. Name me one impressive accomplishment by any of the other kids including Laena's. Jace is about 18 with tutors and his mother both at his side, and still hasn't learned Valyrian while Aemond as a preteen claimed the biggest dragon whereas they only "claimed" baby dragons that hatched and had no choice but to bond with their "owners" while Aemond claimed the conquerer Visenya's adult dragon. No to mention Jace and Luc being bullies. It's no wonder that Blacks love Daemon-Rhaenyra, a relationship with creepy undertones of the grooming of a teenager.
Well said. I agree TB are just emotional with no logic. When watching shows like Hotd you can’t use modern logic to justify things that are clearly wrong in their world.
They are all progressive unless it is a boy hitting a girl in self defense because she hit him first. Also rhaenyra is not some paragon of virtue fighting for women rights. She is totally self serving and does not care for anyone's rights but her own, which ois okay but lets not pretend s she is some kind of revolutionary.
@@MungoMcGheeshows like this actually reveals the state of the how modern people think and it's so stupid. If this show we're to come out earlier in time I'm talking decade's the blacks would have very little supporters the value system of people have gotten progressively more fucked as it goes on
100% I was shocked to hear anyone talking shit about Aemond. He got his fucking eye ripped out by kids that had bullied him as a child. That's fucking appalling. Alicent is the GOAT for trying to defend her child after Viserys was such a weak doormat. I can't wait for Rhaenyra to get eaten by Sunfyre. She deserves to be dragon shit, just like Lucerys, she wanted to torture Aemond for telling the truth
Ned Stark: Tries to expose the fact that the heirs for the Iron Throne are bastards The audience: He's so loyal and honorable, Ned is a hero 👏😭❤ Team Green: Tries to expose the fact that the heirs for the Iron Throne are bastards The audience: They are evil snakes that deserve to die, they are clearly the villains 😠😡🤬 Ya'll are just a bunch of hypocrites 🤦♀️
Um...Daenerys Stormborn isn't a bastard. And yes, I fault Rhaenyra for continuing to sleep with Ser Harwin Strong. I understand that she had an open marriage with Laenor, and the fact that he's gay makes it obvious that they can't have sexual relations. But if she really loved Daemon as much as she thought she did, she wouldn't have slept with Ser Cole or Ser Harwin. Yes, her sons are bastards, but that isn't their fault and it wasn't their choice. The question of their legitimacy is valid, but the question of hers isn't. She had been given the title of heir. If the so called honor and duty that Alicent talked about was to be upheld, then in my opinion Daemon should be renamed heir, and then one of his daughters as the next heir. I am leaving Aemond out because I can clearly see the early warning signs of Mania. Now a bloodbath, in relation to Daemon at war and Rhaenyra entering the camp bloodied aren't signs of Mania. Their entrances and actions were testimonies to their rebellion against the status quo and the judgements of who people have made them out to be. In addition, Aemond shouldn't have claimed Laena's dragon at the funeral, his timing couldn't be any worse. It shows how insensitive he was to Daemon and his daughters. Him responding to her cries was an amazing thing and it shows how attuned to dragons he is, but that's just it. He could've comforted the dragon without claiming her. You cant tell me it wouldn't have worked. I do not believe that Rhaenyra and Laena's children ganging up on him was out of jealousy, maybe a bit, but I'm sure they saw his claiming the dragon as a slap to the face. It was disrespectful at the time he did it to the girls' mother and ss I stated earlier on, insensitive. Lycerion using a weapon was too far and he should have been punished. By whipping, caning, whatever means, but I do not agree with Alicent's demand for his eye in return. Her demand makes her as childish as Lycerion, and her taking the King's dagger to try to get it makes her petty. However, one should take into account how Aemond and Aemon, even Ser Cole have treated Rhaenyra's sons : one can only take so much verbal abuse.
Aemond had every right to claim the dragon. Two little girls being sad has no bearing on that. Luc and Jace were in the the wrong seeing as they were in the best position to de escalate instead decided to maim their uncle over an insult. Jace only pulled the knife out when the term bastards was spoken. They act like their mother in the way that no one matters but them. Viserys has always allowed them to act this way
The best thing I find about Aemond is that at a time where men demanded everything to be handed to them just because they are men, he did not. Instead he made himself the best in every field so that his capabilities could not be questioned. And I cannot possibly understand the people who say he should have gotten over losing his eye. IT WAS HIS EYE, HE WAS NOT GOING TO GROW ANOTHER IF HE LOST ONE. And no one even cared about it other than Alicent, not even his own father. A tumblr user explained how the injury would have affected him, and if the wound was deep enough to lose an eye, it would have caused him facial spasms and chronic pain once EVERY HOUR that would only increase with time. In every situation, he would be called a cripple and disregarded (starting from the age of 10!!). And putting a sapphire in doesn't change the fact that he still has only half sight. His entire body balance changed. But he still overcame this ton of physical and psychological trauma to become someone everyone feared, because it was the only way to earn respect
@@michaelnkomphela8231The only pain meds they really have in this time is milk of the poppy, but that's insanely addictive so it makes sense why he would not want to begin taking said drug at the age of 10.
Also, Aemond’s pain and spasms were probably worse than what we see today because it’s not like he can run to the ER or a CVS to get disinfectant or Ibuprofen. We’re talking about the same world where women can’t survive a C-section.
The mental gymnastics that people are doing to support The Blacks are insane. What people ignore is, Leana's daughter who doesn't have a dragon could have been rejected by Vhagar in the process to claim her which would have resulted in her death. Aemond did not steal Vhagar, she chose him as her rider. I'm neither greens nor blacks team. However, it's annoying to see that people are justifying everything that Rhaenyra does like she's a victim. If Viserys wasn't a weak King, Rhaenyra wouldn't not continue to be his heir. That's why I am baffled when people mention that he would have taken punitive action against Alicent for that whole incident if he wasn't a soft King. HBO is definitely making the Greens look like the villains when the Blacks are as messy.
I think is more that people are putting there own moral on the characters and not comprehending the consequences of Rhaenyra actions. Book reader who know the lore have a clear understanding in how the world works and some people that watched the show do not. I notice people say why Alicent is so paranoid that Rhea will kill her kids because there is no insinuation that she would ignoring the fact that the option is with in the realm of possibility in this world. Anybody would be paranoid.
I would also argue that his timing wasnt even wrong. Vhagar needed him. Vhagar was hurting from the loss of Laena and we see that Aemond heard her cries during the funeral and reacted to her while no one else did. He then went to claim her. its not like he was rubbing his grubby little hands together knowing that Vhagar was free. we see that hearing his attempt to claim vhagar was a direct result of him hearing her cries. I'm glad they have each other.
The timing wasn't wrong at all. People would quickly scream out Aemond's act as inappropriate while they ignore Rhaenyra having intimate acts with the deceased's late husband right after her funeral.
@@ds_3487 100 percent accurate. im sure those kids were more hurt by their parents moving on so quickly after the deaths of laenor and Laena (and harwin!) in the span of a week than they were about the dragon.
I was thinking this! What do they want? Vahgar to sit in field waiting for that little girl to learn the language that is so selfish. Imagine throwing your dog into the wild for months or years waiting for your daughter be responsible enough to own it when a family and a child right there is ready and capable to care for them? Like anyone on team black because aemond claimed vaghar is delusional
Not really. It’s fine he claimed the dragon. That’s the only fine thing in this whole situation. Aemond threatened Jace i think with the rock. And mocked their dead father(the real one). Idk if i laughed at your dead father would you say i did “nothing wrong”He could have kept his mouth shut and gotten away with it. But he chose the pride way. He had it coming 100%.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 That was Luce, not Jace. And he did not laugh at their father, he merely stated the truth in what happened. I'm sorry if ppl like u think honesty is the worst medicine. He never mocked their father, he did mock Daemon's daughters. That's about it.
I would have been okay with being neutral and just watch how Targaryens kill themselves, because I do not like the Targaryen house as a whole, but the Black faction fans are so far away from reality that I can't help but gravitate towards the Greens. Also the Green faction has far more interesting characters. I understand their motivation better, I see their character development, and heck even the kids are more interesting. Aegon, Aemond, and Helaena have distinct personalities whereas I can't tell Jace and Luke apart.
I agree!!! Wait for Dearon, he was the most honorable from the both sides,humble,wise and a great leader! I'm fearing the showrunners will cut Dearon out because he is the most likeable character in the whole eries and a lot of people'd side with the greens
Finally someone who thinks like I do! I do not cheer for either team, I watch the show for interesting plot and characters. But gosh, I am astounded how 90% of the fandom is so obviously biased in favor of team Black. It's like according to them, absolutely everyone on team Green and whatever they do is bad and evil, but everyone on the team Black and whatever they do is great and cool. If Aemond was team Black they would totally love him and applause him like they do for Daemon, but he's Green so they hate him. Some of team Black fans act like blind psycho-fans.
I'm a borderline black but the twitter fandom genuinely disgusts and shocks me with some of the things they say. They're black fanatics and I have no idea how that happens. Aemond I personally see like a psychopath, like I see Daemon. If Viserys actually dealt with the situation properly then Aemond would have probably turned out fine. But I agree with you, after reading what they say Aemond would be cheered if he was a black.
@@HMSBreadnought I couldn't agree more, bro! Recently I've seen some posts on social media about s2 starting with blood&cheese and people in the comments were genuinely happy and cheering for... murder of an innocent child and poor Helaena being traumatized. WTF?
@@Skrzacik these are not fans they are black fanatics. We as book readers knows the reality of the story .but these are people who watched some RUclips short and starts arguing on the social media
I just re-watched episode 6 and you could see the agony in Vhagar’s face when Laena begged her to burn her. Then, you hear Vhagar’s mournful cries at the funeral. Aemond was the only one who reacted to her cries. It was clear that they were meant to be. Vhagar was very depressed when Laena died and seemed to wilt. Aemond brought her back to life.
People called Aemond a white supremacist??? Bizarre. And extra weird coming from team black supporters seeing as Daemon is essentially a Targaryen supremacist. And many Rhaenyra/Daemon/Dany/team black fans use the 'targaryen blood is superior' argument and hate on the greens for not being Targaryen enough or call the conflict 'targaryen vs Hightower'
Aemond was right about dragons. They are not heirlooms. They’re living creatures who choose their riders. While it was a bit dickish of Aemond to rub it in Rhaena’s face after she lost her mother, he did nothing wrong. He went to Vhagar and she chose him. He didn’t start the fight. It was four on one. His nephew was the one who brought the knife, which makes me think that he was planning to attack Aemond. After seeing the extent of Aemond’s injury, I have come to the conclusion that Alicent is a better woman than me. If that was me, I would have ripped everyone apart with my bare hands, especially Viserys’s useless ass. Rhaenyra’s “thank you, father” cemented me as part of team green. She’s a spoiled brat who never got called out on her treasonous behavior. I don’t blame Alicent for being frustrated.
Now that you bring up dragons eating those who failed to bond with them, then in a way, perhaps aemond saved the velaryon girl from being potentially eaten or hurt by vhagar if she ever attempted to bond with vhagar and failed.
They ambushed and attacked him 4 on 1, they are the ones who started the fight, he simply defended himself. It's ridiculous that there were no consequences for their behaviour and I can't blame Alicent for being furious. Her son lost an eye and his own father didn't even seem to care, Viserys seemed more concerned about Rhaenyra's children being called bastards than about his own child getting maimed. 100% team Aemond on this and I too hate how everyone is whitewashing the blacks as if they're morally superior. They're not. I still see the show as not having clear heroes and villains and it's so annoying that the fandom has decided otherwise, and against the side that hasn't actually done anything wrong yet.
So we not gonna pretend and act like he didn’t try to kill one of his nephews in that fight and that’s why his eye got cut he didn’t have to pick up that rock and try to kill one of his cousins like stop
@@jamalfields3524 Nope because he did not, he literally was about to put the stone down in what was clearly a warning, just a warning and then Jacaerys proceeded to try and KILL Aemond with a freaking knife forcing Aemond to keep the stone as a weapon. Bruh, sometimes it feels like people watch different shows with ignorant comments like these. Watch the scene again.
@@stopthecap6913 ummm no he called his nephew a bastard than tried to take his life with that rock so stop it. And even so aemond still picked up a weapon first if he would of never did that shit wouldn’t have escalated. Maybe ur brain failed to see that part or maybe ur just to arrogant to agree. Now anything else why I’m here ?
@@jamalfields3524 So what if he called them bastards? They are bastards and Aemond having to use the stone was self-defense, they literally piled on him, wtf was he suppose to do according to you? Let them beat him to death on the ground?
@@darn4285 my thing is he beat all of them so why when it’s over still proceeds to threaten his nephew life and try to kill him when he won the fight and shoulda just walked.
You can’t blame aemond for claiming a dragon it’s in his blood plus my boi was getting jumped he was js defending himself and he didn’t even start the fight
Nah he stole their mothers dragon. Unreal that y’all are cool with this 😂 don’t say shit about dragons choosing their riders. That was their mothers dragon meant for her daughter and that little scumbag stole the glorious dragon cuz he didn’t have one. How shameful.
SPOILER WARNING for those who haven’t finished the season ! In my opinion I think both sides are in the wrong. When it comes to the blacks, Rheneara from the start didn’t want to be queen and since she was Viserys only heir he pushed it on her over and over until she just accepted it. I don’t know if it was out of spite that she ended up having bastard children but either way I can agree with Alicent that having 3 at that point was an insult. Now as far as the greens, Otto has been a sneaky bastard since day one and showed little to no hesitation to make Aegon the king when EVERYBODY knew that the kid wasn’t the right choice. And when it comes to the whole Aemond situation, he became blinded by revenge after losing his eye and after that stunt he pulled with Luke, all hell is about to break loose.
But it wasn’t aemond fault that Luke died it. Literally was down to their dragons once again, dragons bond with people, but they are not bound to do what they are say all the time they make a decision to listen and if they decide not to dragons have their own free will and vygahr is a war dragon and a baby dragon decided to test her and she was like oh I’m gonna eat this little shit cause that’s how dragons think they are animals in the one of the very first episodes visarys tells Ryneraha dragons can be trained, but never themed. They are animals. They are beast, and they will react according to that yes the bond most of the time they listen, but not always she is a war dragon getting attacked by Lil Baby dragon he was ordering her to stop multiple times, but she was not listening Neither of their dragons were listening to their rider They were purely going on instinct.
@@tasiaa2711 I’m aware of how the dragons operate that’s not what I was getting at. Aemond had a choice, let Luke go and claim the small victory he already had when he asked for the woman’s hand in marriage (I forgot what the name was) and then leave it at that. But, because he still wanted payback for his eye he acted reckless. Even if he chases Luke just to scare him the end result would’ve been the same because like you said, Luke’s dragon was a baby it didn’t know any better and was trying to protect its rider.
Had the showrunners not been so Pro Team Black, they wouldn't have made Aegon a rapist and a supporter of child fighting pits, which is not true in the books. They just don't want anyone to support Aegon, but he's the rightful heir. I don't give a fuck who does what. They're all as bad as each other. I care about the laws and customs of Westeros. Firstborn son of a man is his heir (except in Dorne). End of.
@@bubblewrapstargirlTrue. They better redeem them this season. They even had to mess up the coronation which is the first main time the greens are shown in a positive light. But I guess they didn't want Aegon to have his moment
Rhaena didn’t understand that the dragon has autonomy. A dragon cannot and will not ever be stolen. Vhagar chose Aemond. That’s it. Rhaena insinuated that Aemond was a thief. Not gonna lie but if she felt insulted, that’s her own fault.
Aemond is not the villain he's marked as. He made some bad choices that lead to really bad things happening, but he's not alone in doing that. He shouldn't have played with the equivalent of a nuke to scare an punk luke. I mean come on that's like playing with a gun an being surprised some one died. Really tragic.
I'm on Aemonds and therefore the greens side. The Team Black fans are weirdos incapable of cognitive thought. Seen them making fun of the Hightower children looking like products of incest, meanwhile in the newest episode Daemon and Reanyra get it on and marry.... The hell are they smoking?
If nearly 90% of your realm does not support at all a female ruler, even if you are not male-chauvinist, you cannot force them having a queen by brute force, then Aegon or his brother are the lesser evil.
@@stantheman2756 you know the Lords of the realm won't give a fuck about a swear when the heir to the throne is trying to incite a war of succession by having bastard heirs of her own, it was either war now or war later.
@@stantheman2756 Those lords swore those oaths before Aegon was born, and most of them are dead now. As Jon told Daenerys in their first meeting "I am not beholding to my ancestors oaths."
Even if Rhaenyra had become queen without issue, there would still be a Dance of Dragons. Rhaenyra's sons are divided between the "Strong Bastards" (her sons with Harwin) and "Trueborn Targaryens" (her sons with Daemon). Sooner or later, the realm would have divided into two factions anyway. Rhaenyra is the cataclyst of the Dance, not Aegon Il.
The only thing wrong he did was not have the balls to seize the crown. His brother even wanted to give up the throne; Aemond should've taken that as a way to seize power. He is by far the most powerful and effective of the Green players, it's only right that the guy who studies warfare, history, philosophy, and rides the largest dragon would be made king.
Aemond deserve vhagar , rhaena is just entitled like her father .also if viserys have punished lucerys in somekind of way .aemond would have feel some kind of peace for what he lost
Alicent was the only one who went to her son’s defense. Rhaenyra didn’t even care that her own brother got his eye gouged out by her son and wanted him tortured. Viserys did jack f*ck all to punish Luke for intending to possibly kill Aemond with a knife. The fans bash Alicent for cutting Rhaenyra because harming royals is treason. Where tf was that outrage when a ten year old prince got his eye gouged out? Sorry. This makes me a bit heated because I was bullied at school when I was Aemond’s age and the only people who defended me were my mom and dad. The school victim-blamed me. Whenever I did anything to defend, the school punished me. Maybe that’s why Aemond has a soft place in my heart. Because I was him at ten years old.
Aemond did nothing wrong! They come at 4vs1, they attacked him first and they used a weapon first. Aemond pick a rock but he didnt use until they come to him a blade. Aemond used word they used violence.
He actually made the first threat with the rock, then made a joke of how their real father died(they know who he is and that they're bastards) and insulted them repeatedly while being outnumbered. Also almost every time words come before physical violence, so yeah. He made a very stupid mistake by challenging them 4v1 in the first place, he could have avoided it. "Aemond did nothing wrong!" - is complete bullshit. Im sorry, but it is. He did plenty wrong there. You just see the price he paid for his arrogance and justify it by the outcome.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 Nah, that threat was after they kept beating him to death on the ground. So it was justifiable but u r right about him keeping on bullying them about their bastard status, that he had coming. Although it is still the truth, not his fault the bastards are salty about being bastards.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 They are bastards, he was not wrong for saying it, he just said it in the worst circumstances. So yeah, he had it coming but that doesn't mean he was entirely wrong.
@@stopthecap6913 My point was that it does matter who picks up a weapon first, it shows what your intentions are. He had no intent to kill any of them in my opinion, but it’s what they understood from it, and thus….the knife.
@@darn4285 Right and wrong are too narrow to have a conversation about. It’s more nuanced than this. I never said he was entirely wrong. He’s a kid ffs.
The whole Team [ insert ] thing, it's like some can't peel away from 100% good/evil, zero gray area storytelling. Even larger ASOIAF youtubers that go on for days about knowing the material better than GRRM himself are falling for this.
And let's not act like Aemond didn't have every single right to have taken that Dragon and been rude to them all these years. They treated him like crap because he didn't have a dragon they gave him a pig making fun of him. Then get pissed off when he retaliates 😭😭😭
I think the team black bias is kind of the point over how history is written by the victors. People who hate Alicent (at this point in the show with no context of the book) are sheep who fall for framing rather than actual intent. I bet GRRM lols
"some are even calling him a white supremacist." Lmao, aren't they all racial supremacists? The Velaryons are 'supposed' to be of the same race as the Targaryens, and they're all very concerned about the purity of Valyrian blood so...
Viserys was a failure as a king he favor raenyra even if what she doing was wrong that will create hatred and cycle of the hatred will grow that is clear
But the thing is he did do three things wrong; 1.) calling his cousins bastards out of spite and arrogance, 2.) he was an asshole for saying Laena and Harwin dead with vulgarity in his voice with no remorse, empathy, sympathy or compassion, 3.) the timing was wrong, it happening at a funeral is wrong imo people needed time to mourn Laena but they could not get that thanks to him. Claiming a dragon is not wrong but the aftermath and timing is. Daemon and Aemond are one in the same, Daemon is also impulsive & Aemond is a bloodthirsty character. Both men would have repeated the actions of Maegor by way of Kinslaying Daemon has ambitious goals for House Targaryen not the throne.
The principale of justice or eye for an eye is clear If viserys get justice for aemond we wouldnt have this rage in aemond to kill luce later Am talking to the ignorant black team here imagine someone took your eye and walk free as nothing happen You woukd be paranoide cant sleep cuz of the fear that your abuser walk free and never been judge you would not have peace only if you kill him People talk and see the situation in favor of the black they forgot that the green are also humans and have fear and pride and gradge like our selfs
Aemond losing his eye and Viserys not doing anything about it, not even giving Luke a slap on the wrist or saying never do that again, and instead humiliating Alicent and Aemond and Aegon by yelling at them like they’re in the wrong for telling the truth… eliminated any doubts that Rhaenyra would no doubt be a threat to their lives if she became Queen if she was willing to torture her brother (she said sharply questioned and was dead serious about it) to find out who told him the truth of her eldest three boys. She didn’t give a damn her son mutilated another child she only cared to play cover up for her mistakes. Yes maybe Luke should not have lost an eye in return but he should have been punished. They could have him banned from Kingslanding for life or for a long time, disinherited from Driftmark (not that he was entitled to Driftmark and the Lord of the Tides title in the first place), something to punish him! Viserys didn’t give a damn about the fact his son was crippled to life which is a big deal in Medieval societies, and no doubt traumatized, and instead cared about people saying the truth about his grandsons. He didn’t offer any comfort to Aemond and yelled at the one person Alicent who sought justice for him. Rhaenyra or Viserys did even scold Luke for what he had done. Yes Aemond could have been nicer, he said some mean things to Rhaena and Baela, but they all ganged up against him and went to strike him first. Jace pulled out the knife. Rhaena was not entitled to Vhagar in any way. We saw how Daemon favors Baela over Rhaena and how bullies Aemond is by his brother and nephews that Targaryens without dragons are overlooked and under appreciated. The fact that the bastard nephews had dragons and the love of Viserys and Aemond had neither was hurting him enough. He took a chance and risked his life to claim the largest and most powerful dragon in the realm. While Aemond was insensitive for claiming a dead lady’s dragon the night of her funeral while her daughters mourn her and Rhaena wants a piece of her mother, he did not steal dragon. A dragon can’t be stolen only claimed. Vhagar claimed Aemond as much as Aemond claimed Vhagar. She was not entitled to Vhagar by simply being Laena’s daughter. Besides if you look at her previous riders from Baelon to Visenya and Laena, she seems to have a type. The brash warrior hearted ones. Rhaena is too gentle and ladylike for Vhagar. While wrong doings occurred on both ends for Aemond being insensitive to his cousins and them (Jace Luke Rhaena Baela) escalating the conflict physically as they started the fight physically, Aemond threatening Jace with a rock, ultimately the one most wronged is Aemond. He was maimed traumatized and had to relearn everything (as losing an eye impacts your balance and sight) and the people who caused it and the person who took his eye were not punished instead he was yelled at like he was the problem.
I think he still would have gone after Vhagar whether or not he was pressured into it. He wanted to be a dragonrider like the rest of his Targaryen kin
Everyone should also know that if Rayna would have done what Aomand did by walking right up to Vhagar's face especially how Aomand showed no fear on 2 to 3 occasions when Vhagar turned to look right at him, I know he couldn't have been couple feet from him either, Vhagar would have smelled the fear within seconds and swallowed her whole
Honestly, I firmly believe a lot of the blame comes from the fact that the Hightower Targs were raised by Alicent and Ser Criston, two characters who hated Rhaenyra because they were tied to duty when the Princess and heir could go off and, from their point of view, skirt all responsibility by having bastards with Ser (Lord?) Strong. [A lot of people seem to think Rhaenyra doing that was especially wrong and that she was cheating on Laenor despite the fact that she and Laenor set it up so that their marriage was an open relationship solely to align their houses closer, a lot like Daemon and Laena with respect to the fact that Daemon actually had kids with Laena. There are always going to be morons I guess.] Were Aegon and Aemond not raised by these two, or perhaps is Viserys stepped in more often and been their father, they might not have been so indoctrinated into bastard hatred [which I thought was heightened by the Blackfyres but whatever] and thus the uncle/nephews wouldn’t nearly be so hostile to one another. For the case of Luce and Jace attacking Aemond, Aemond was being kind of a prick about taming Vhaegar [who wouldn’t to be fair, he’s still a kid a pride comes in spares as a Targ] and verbally harassing the Velayron girls. Does that give them the right to attack him? No, not really, but he exacerbated it further by going along with his mother’s/Ser Criston’s indoctrination. All in all, Viserys caused the war through negligence as his health failed over time, the Hightowers pressed the issue incredibly, and Aemond started the dance by killing Luce. All because communication was out the window after Rhaenyra snuck out with Daemon when she was a teenager.
He flashes the rock as a warning when hes in a disadvantaged state then he starts to put it down and jace comes at him with a knife, sand gets throne and its all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Viserys does nothing.
Have to agree. Aemond is the most badass character and i think the boy should have lost the hand he used to cut out his eye. That would have been an appropriate punishment.
It's great that u mention emergency awesome, it's sad how people pick sides as if this is a president election or something🤣. And offcourse the bias review from most of youtube reviews towards the greens is laughable to cinema. We want a great series and i hope the maker of this series isn't driven by most audiencies preverance, which is towards the black.
This is the first time I’ve seen this opinion since I’m usually a team black supporter it’s interesting tho ,in my opinion the whole Aemond situation just shows how this conflict over the throne has affected these kids , cause these kids have been taught to hate each other. I do think aemond isn’t completely without blame I mean he was about to bash jaces head in ,so Luke was just kinda defending his brother. This episode is so good honestly and I love seeing the conflict overflow.
When it comes to grasping power -NOTHING is “off limits! The powerful CAN have bastards. The powerful CAN, “grab a hot whip and ride it like they stole it!” Thing is, GRRM is awesome at making his characters simultaneously bastards AND still have likable (if not understandable) characteristics. Do I hate Aemon? Shit no. But his uncle does whip his ass -And if there’s a Seventh Heaven, Daemon’s cackling like a little girl at that!
Aemond is the best choice.If he did it the night he lost his eye and tamed the largest dragon .Few could protest and he marry his sister rather than his brother.Aegon also gets to relax no more pressure to be the next king.
Its awesome to find people who think clearly and see that the greens are justified in their ways except for the obvious flaws like aeogon's rape and larys killing of his family
started the show as pro-black, then over the course of the show grew more and more pro-green. But honestly both sides suck, monarchy and patriachy is simply unfair and if we actually would put modern westrn morals to the show -like many pro-black fans seemingly do- then noone should sit on that ugly chair.
Though, I don't disagree fully, when he gets into a confrontation with Laena's daughters and his nephews, he appears ready and willing to kill, Luke, so though I understand your side, it's hard to look past that for me, then again, maybe one of then would've killed Aemond.
I don't think Aemond was in any way wrong for the dragon. I think the fight was just kids being kids and it got out of hand and he paid the price. On the subject of Rhaeynera. She might not make a good queen but Aegon certainly won't make a good king. He's a selfish bully that can't keep it in his pants or put the wine glass down. He's part of the reason Aemond is so defensive and unable to show any empathy for anyone else. Aemond wouldn't be named king because that's not how succession works. Viserys could pass over Rhaenera for Aegon but it would take something major for him to pass over them both for Aemond. As long as Aegon and Otto are on team green I have to go with team black but both teams have some issues. Sidenote: I find it interesting how alike Aemond and Daemon are.
Aegon is not a good king but he might be like robert baratheon. Leaving the ruling to his hand and his council while he whores and drinks away~ Book spoilers below!!! (For the end of the dance!) warning!! I havent read the books but i did read on the wiki a little on his rule after the dance that he was in constant terrible pain but did his best working with his council on his rule as he struggled with his injuries. RIP. He aint remembered as a good king though. Neither was rhaenerya.
I stopped liking Luke after at the last supper a pig is brought out on the table and Luke snickers at Aemond. If any of Rhaenyra’s children that I actually like is Jace, I enjoy the relationship he builds with Cregan Stark. Like Viserys said “the idea that we control the dragons is an illusion “ people seem to ignore that part so when Aryaxx starts the fight and Vhagar of course She’s going to be pissed. We can clearly see remorse in Aemons response by saying “no no no Vhagar no” showing the face of “what have I done? “ Expressions on the face is key when watching Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon or hell Dunk& egg. You have to look carefully, I will give you a prime example. Roose Bolton while looking at his face the first time I didn’t realize what was going on at the red wedding until Cat pulled back his sleeve and saw the chain mail and his look. I rewatched season two and three just to see signs of what Roose’s full intentions were and bam it’s right there. How he treats Jamie, how he’s upset that Robb won’t listen to him or take any of his advice except that Ramsey could stop Theon. Let’s go back to HOTD, and I’m going to get called out for this by someone, but couldn’t Rhaenyra have fucked at least someone with silver hair? Preferably a mixed skin one, she got dealt a bad hand when it came to her first husband and no one can say that he wasn’t a good father to the boys. Anyway I’m on neither side, i know what happens, so I call it team watcher or team chaos . We know what’s going to happen but we still want to see it on screen. Anyway man if you read this I’d very much appreciate it
there is difference between real fans and "fans".it is known that GRRM's vision of story is not the usual "protagonists vs antagonists" cause in his universe majority of his characters are grey. why people cheer for rhaenyra is mostly because of the commercials and HotD posters where Milly Alcock was shown thousand times and mostly people who dont even know who the f*** she is or read the books...they are usually her fans only because they saw some cute girl with crown on pics whereby they concluded that she must be the protagonist of the show.When we look back and when we focus on facts and justice,,,we will notice that Rhaenyra is more of an antagonist than an protagonist.First she uses her puberty the wrong way and forces an kingsguard into sex.Later on she dumps him for another one this time an city watch named Harwin Strong.And this time she is more reckless cause Criston Cole no matter how bad he is,he managed to not get her pregnant while Harwin managed to get her pregnant THREE times!!! And then she calls people liars whenever they adress her immoral issue! Then she claims kids are of Laenor Velaryon thou even his own kin noticed that something is wrong and that these kids arent his!His uncle even paid with his own life for bringing this issue to light when he was beheaded by Daemon for the irony that he actually was right!And this makes Viserys,Daemon and Rhaenyra somehow as tyrants! The greens are just the way they are cause they are forced by blacks to be this way!
Agreed. Daemon and Princess Rhaenys are the only good people on team black. I can't stand any of Rhaenyra's kids. The Strong boys are insufferable little shits who die horribly in the war as they deserve.
@@joetheblu3 Targ efforts to dilute the divine bloodline of the Durrandon didn’t work. Bobby B overcame his cursed targ heritage to destroy them, as the Seven intended.
He insulted Rhaena and Baela about their mother being dead, said they would only be good enough to ride pigs, smashed a 5 years old face and threatened and was going to kill Lucerys, and just lost... Did he steal a dragon? No but to say he did nothing wrong is a blatant lie... Aemond absolutely started the fight
In context he made fun of them the same way Jayce and Luke did. He also punched the younger one after he charged him. Tbh I can't blame him for how he acted years of being treated like shit by bastard children that are stealing the birthright of your side of the family. Then to see them try and defend their cousins they only knew for like a day.
Well reason why I can relate with how Aemond carries himself, quit and stays to himself, no I never had a chance to ever find and have me a Dragon to ride, God knows if I would have then just as probably Aemond has in his mind, I went through growing up being the word bullied doesn't give enough meaning to him or myself also, see if it's just like most kids growing up these days they just have to worry when going to school or out playing around the neighborhood but not with Aemond or myself, growing up being only step kid in a family of 8 of us 5 step brothers and sisters, my mother and bastard step dad and myself, I had to wake up to being kicked in my face as I was only one had no bed to sleep in til I was 15 and that's because made enough money cutting grass to buy a bed myself, when my brothers there were 4 had a sister she bullied me also but more so mentally not physically and believe me if a person is evil enough then then the mental shit being done to you so many times was a I Lot worse off then being beat on and I would have rather her kick me around then the things she put me through growing up, see Aemond was always being bullied by his cousins and even his own damn brother in the show that's why for him didn't take to long till how he carried himself everyday getting up and his whole day was always horrible, see I don't want to go into no more about me I was just feeling everything he was going through when watching the show, from 8 years old till I was 16 my step brothers had beat up so many times and I'm not talking about few licks black eye and over with, hell no during the time frame I just mentioned of my age I went to the hospital 7 times 3 of them I had to be there for 3 days to 7 days don't remember each time for what, so I'm all pulling for Aemond
there are so many things I could pick apart in this video, but the one that got me to start typing is the assumption Viserys never reprimanded Rheanyra for having bastards. Just because it happened off screen doesn't mean it never happened. We've seen him reprimand her several times but he knows full well he created this problem by marrying Alicent after naming Rheanyra heir and insisting she be heir after fathering two legitimate children.It's the game of power. No one's moral here, not even Jon fucking Snow. No one has a better claim or argument to the throne. Power will inevitably fall into the hands of those best able to maneauver the treacherous political terrain of Westeros! When will you people ever get that!
Whaaaaatttt....? Seriously.. He did not steal...? If you have your most precious dog and i bring it home and wanted to own it just because he likes me and never ask permission to own it.. Is it not stealing? One of the most stupid and dumbest reason i heard actually.. Anyway i love how they build the charachter of Aemond...
Aemond's timing was off. That was the major problem. He was bullied by his brother as well, so I don't see how you can pin that on just Rhaenyra's kids. Also, Rhaenyra's actions have nothing to do what led to the fight. Ameond didn't help things either by also insulting Rhaenyra's kids during the confrontation, and made no attempt deescalate the matter. Lastly, it was an all out fight, yeah the blacks started it on a physical note, however, when Aemond picked up the rock and continued to approach them, he had that knife coming. He gave no warning for them to back away, nor did he try to leave.
Insult? He didn't insult them he told the truth. They started it .They attacked him first 4 of them attacked him and because he picked up the rock they intentionally targeted his eye it wasn't a mistake. What kind of boy cut out another person's eye
@@aishahamma334 You ignored everything I said, and just because you tell the truth doesn't mean it can't be weaponized. If you use the truth to hurt someone, then it counts as an insult.
@@dranixrush3306If you really believe that they started it how can you say he had that knife coming. If they hadn't attacked him that wouldn't have happened in the first place. If.it was the other way around aemond had hurt Lucerys everyone will hate him. People even hate alicent because she tried to attack rhaenyra. Alicent had every right to be angry
@@dranixrush3306You're right actions does matter and the Strong boys proved that they're psychopaths. Who attacks someone with a knife over an insult and gouges their eye out. It maybe an insult but it's the truth and if they can't handle it that's their fault
Aemond punched Baela in her face and put hands on Luc's neck strangling him in the air. Aemond picked up a rock and hit Jace in the face. He then threatened to have his dragon burn them all to death. It was AFTER this occurred, when the 4 kids jumped on him as Aemond was stronger. They had to fight for their lives at this point.
Actually the Velaryon kids hit him first, Aemond returned fire after being attacked, same with the rock and threats, he picked up the rock after being jumped on the ground by all 4 of them and having his face beaten. It is very clear from the Episode that he was attacked first.
@@stantheman2756 How do you “steal” a dragon? They either choose to accept you as their rider or they kill you. There is no “stealing” and dragons aren’t inherited like property.
@@meterod I mean laena’s daughter fully expected the dragon to be hers. She was still mourning her mothers death. One eye took advantage of that because aemond and his family crave power so much. Proves how hungry the Hightowers are for power.
He wasn't it was a bluff you saw him lowering the rock. Contrary to popular belief he isn't stupid and he didn't want to be a kinslayer unfortunately his nephews didn't share the same reservations.
Don`t forget the fact that Rhaenyra demanded that Aemond be torturer, the term “questioned sharply” is a euphemism for torturing in a Song of Ice and Fire. Just to point out for those saying Rhaenyra would never harm Alicent`s children
Yep, 100%
Put loudly to question*****
There’s a difference between intending to do something and actively doing something.
Pointing the finger at Rhaenyra’s intentions will never excuse Alicent’s actions 🤷♂️
@@Binks129 lol really? Luc would be alive if there were some punishment given.
@@michaelnkomphela8231 Luc would be alive if Aemond didn’t kill him
“It’s ok mother, I may have lost an eye, but I gained a dragon”
10 years later… “GIVE ME YOUR EYE BASTARD!!!!”
It’s astounding how people acted like a kid mounting a dragon was more inconsiderate than Daemon mounting Rhaenyra right after his wife died. Like bruh 💀
And people are saying that Alicent lost her mind attacking Rhaenyra…like bruh Rhaenyra literally wanted a child to be tortured to save her own skin.
I’m pretty sure everybody in this comment section would be filled with rage too if somebody ever wanted their child to undergo such torment.
It's easy why a lot of the internet love Rhenerya. She is a spoiled brat who shirks her duty as a princess but is allowed to get away with everything because her father refuses to see her faults. She has what they all want, all of the privileges with none of the draw backs. Allicent always did as she was told and never complained but now she stands to lose everything to a girl who always cried to get what she wanted. Allicent and Aemond did nothing wrong. Go greens!
Yep I think people spoilt brats just see themselves in Rhaenyra which is why theres an influx of these people everywhere
My God you summed it up perfectly!!!
Alicent is just the superior woman. Simple as.
No bastards sprung from her womb.
Cant say the same for little miss princess.😂
@@dickonmanwoody7599 correct
Totally
When I was Aemond's age, my classmate flicked a chalk towards my eye. My dad was so mad that he asked for the kid to be suspended from school so Visery's reaction just made him crappy father #1
Rider doesn't chose the dragon, the dragon chooses the rider. Laena's children apparently think that dragons are meant to be their slaves or something. While I am a black supporter at heart, the Blacks online have shown ignorance so far and nothing else. They supposedly consider themselves progressives but ignore the plight of Alicent who is the real victim of patriarchy, being abused as a teenager and never allowed to explore her sexuality, being trapped with an old dying man who says to her face that he loves his dead wife still and was never a father to her children, and Rhaenyra in the meantime has nothing to say to her except that she would never be as pathetic as to pop out a lords kids to a teenage pregnant Alicent.
This is what Alicent meant when she said "where is duty? where is sacrifice?" and all these supposed "feminists" went: "what a crazy jealous b**** lmao". Disgusting misogynistic behavior imo. Aemond is the only one in his generation with actual achievements to his name other then just being a prince. Name me one impressive accomplishment by any of the other kids including Laena's. Jace is about 18 with tutors and his mother both at his side, and still hasn't learned Valyrian while Aemond as a preteen claimed the biggest dragon whereas they only "claimed" baby dragons that hatched and had no choice but to bond with their "owners" while Aemond claimed the conquerer Visenya's adult dragon. No to mention Jace and Luc being bullies.
It's no wonder that Blacks love Daemon-Rhaenyra, a relationship with creepy undertones of the grooming of a teenager.
Well said. I agree TB are just emotional with no logic. When watching shows like Hotd you can’t use modern logic to justify things that are clearly wrong in their world.
They are all progressive unless it is a boy hitting a girl in self defense because she hit him first. Also rhaenyra is not some paragon of virtue fighting for women rights. She is totally self serving and does not care for anyone's rights but her own, which ois okay but lets not pretend s she is some kind of revolutionary.
People really do be defending the mutilation and partial blinding of a child. They bullied him into taking the dragon, honestly.
It just goes to show the state of modern culture lmao.
@@MungoMcGheeThat is so true.
@@MungoMcGheeshows like this actually reveals the state of the how modern people think and it's so stupid. If this show we're to come out earlier in time I'm talking decade's the blacks would have very little supporters the value system of people have gotten progressively more fucked as it goes on
100% I was shocked to hear anyone talking shit about Aemond. He got his fucking eye ripped out by kids that had bullied him as a child. That's fucking appalling. Alicent is the GOAT for trying to defend her child after Viserys was such a weak doormat. I can't wait for Rhaenyra to get eaten by Sunfyre. She deserves to be dragon shit, just like Lucerys, she wanted to torture Aemond for telling the truth
Ned Stark: Tries to expose the fact that the heirs for the Iron Throne are bastards
The audience: He's so loyal and honorable, Ned is a hero 👏😭❤
Team Green: Tries to expose the fact that the heirs for the Iron Throne are bastards
The audience: They are evil snakes that deserve to die, they are clearly the villains 😠😡🤬
Ya'll are just a bunch of hypocrites 🤦♀️
Um...Daenerys Stormborn isn't a bastard.
And yes, I fault Rhaenyra for continuing to sleep with Ser Harwin Strong. I understand that she had an open marriage with Laenor, and the fact that he's gay makes it obvious that they can't have sexual relations. But if she really loved Daemon as much as she thought she did, she wouldn't have slept with Ser Cole or Ser Harwin. Yes, her sons are bastards, but that isn't their fault and it wasn't their choice. The question of their legitimacy is valid, but the question of hers isn't. She had been given the title of heir. If the so called honor and duty that Alicent talked about was to be upheld, then in my opinion Daemon should be renamed heir, and then one of his daughters as the next heir. I am leaving Aemond out because I can clearly see the early warning signs of Mania. Now a bloodbath, in relation to Daemon at war and Rhaenyra entering the camp bloodied aren't signs of Mania. Their entrances and actions were testimonies to their rebellion against the status quo and the judgements of who people have made them out to be. In addition, Aemond shouldn't have claimed Laena's dragon at the funeral, his timing couldn't be any worse. It shows how insensitive he was to Daemon and his daughters. Him responding to her cries was an amazing thing and it shows how attuned to dragons he is, but that's just it. He could've comforted the dragon without claiming her. You cant tell me it wouldn't have worked. I do not believe that Rhaenyra and Laena's children ganging up on him was out of jealousy, maybe a bit, but I'm sure they saw his claiming the dragon as a slap to the face. It was disrespectful at the time he did it to the girls' mother and ss I stated earlier on, insensitive. Lycerion using a weapon was too far and he should have been punished. By whipping, caning, whatever means, but I do not agree with Alicent's demand for his eye in return. Her demand makes her as childish as Lycerion, and her taking the King's dagger to try to get it makes her petty. However, one should take into account how Aemond and Aemon, even Ser Cole have treated Rhaenyra's sons : one can only take so much verbal abuse.
@@feyaeoli1994I think he’s talking about the “Baratheon Kids”.
Aemond had every right to claim the dragon. Two little girls being sad has no bearing on that. Luc and Jace were in the the wrong seeing as they were in the best position to de escalate instead decided to maim their uncle over an insult. Jace only pulled the knife out when the term bastards was spoken. They act like their mother in the way that no one matters but them. Viserys has always allowed them to act this way
@@JessicaCarey-xi9wx
100%.
@@feyaeoli1994they were talking about Cersei’s bastards, not Dany
The best thing I find about Aemond is that at a time where men demanded everything to be handed to them just because they are men, he did not. Instead he made himself the best in every field so that his capabilities could not be questioned. And I cannot possibly understand the people who say he should have gotten over losing his eye. IT WAS HIS EYE, HE WAS NOT GOING TO GROW ANOTHER IF HE LOST ONE. And no one even cared about it other than Alicent, not even his own father. A tumblr user explained how the injury would have affected him, and if the wound was deep enough to lose an eye, it would have caused him facial spasms and chronic pain once EVERY HOUR that would only increase with time. In every situation, he would be called a cripple and disregarded (starting from the age of 10!!). And putting a sapphire in doesn't change the fact that he still has only half sight. His entire body balance changed. But he still overcame this ton of physical and psychological trauma to become someone everyone feared, because it was the only way to earn respect
Yes I lost an 👁 eye, also lost depth perception and my job. So yea since I can run to the pharmacy for pain , sure Aemond could not.
@@michaelnkomphela8231The only pain meds they really have in this time is milk of the poppy, but that's insanely addictive so it makes sense why he would not want to begin taking said drug at the age of 10.
Also, Aemond’s pain and spasms were probably worse than what we see today because it’s not like he can run to the ER or a CVS to get disinfectant or Ibuprofen. We’re talking about the same world where women can’t survive a C-section.
@@khfan4life365 In the book it was said he had nerve damage and his whole life suffered from pain and migraines caused by light, sound, smell etc.
The mental gymnastics that people are doing to support The Blacks are insane. What people ignore is, Leana's daughter who doesn't have a dragon could have been rejected by Vhagar in the process to claim her which would have resulted in her death. Aemond did not steal Vhagar, she chose him as her rider. I'm neither greens nor blacks team. However, it's annoying to see that people are justifying everything that Rhaenyra does like she's a victim.
If Viserys wasn't a weak King, Rhaenyra wouldn't not continue to be his heir. That's why I am baffled when people mention that he would have taken punitive action against Alicent for that whole incident if he wasn't a soft King. HBO is definitely making the Greens look like the villains when the Blacks are as messy.
Spot on
I think is more that people are putting there own moral on the characters and not comprehending the consequences of Rhaenyra actions. Book reader who know the lore have a clear understanding in how the world works and some people that watched the show do not. I notice people say why Alicent is so paranoid that Rhea will kill her kids because there is no insinuation that she would ignoring the fact that the option is with in the realm of possibility in this world. Anybody would be paranoid.
I would also argue that his timing wasnt even wrong. Vhagar needed him. Vhagar was hurting from the loss of Laena and we see that Aemond heard her cries during the funeral and reacted to her while no one else did. He then went to claim her. its not like he was rubbing his grubby little hands together knowing that Vhagar was free. we see that hearing his attempt to claim vhagar was a direct result of him hearing her cries. I'm glad they have each other.
The timing wasn't wrong at all. People would quickly scream out Aemond's act as inappropriate while they ignore Rhaenyra having intimate acts with the deceased's late husband right after her funeral.
@@ds_3487 100 percent accurate. im sure those kids were more hurt by their parents moving on so quickly after the deaths of laenor and Laena (and harwin!) in the span of a week than they were about the dragon.
Son todos una panda de asquerosos y traidores verdes....
I was thinking this!
What do they want?
Vahgar to sit in field waiting for that little girl to learn the language
that is so selfish.
Imagine throwing your dog into the wild for months or years waiting for your daughter be responsible enough to own it when a family and a child right there is ready and capable to care for them?
Like anyone on team black because aemond claimed vaghar is delusional
@@Shenanakins
Facts. They got married very quickly and unceremoniously as well.
Vhagar chose Aemond and he just defended himself from 4 kids who were beating him. He did nothing wrong.
Not really. It’s fine he claimed the dragon. That’s the only fine thing in this whole situation.
Aemond threatened Jace i think with the rock. And mocked their dead father(the real one). Idk if i laughed at your dead father would you say i did “nothing wrong”He could have kept his mouth shut and gotten away with it. But he chose the pride way. He had it coming 100%.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 That was Luce, not Jace. And he did not laugh at their father, he merely stated the truth in what happened. I'm sorry if ppl like u think honesty is the worst medicine. He never mocked their father, he did mock Daemon's daughters. That's about it.
True. Aemond is innocent.
How the fuck does he just get to steal their mothers dragon. Ridiculous. Aegon the uncrowned got Aeny I’s quicksilver passed down to him.
@@stantheman2756 dragons choose their own riders
I would have been okay with being neutral and just watch how Targaryens kill themselves, because I do not like the Targaryen house as a whole, but the Black faction fans are so far away from reality that I can't help but gravitate towards the Greens. Also the Green faction has far more interesting characters. I understand their motivation better, I see their character development, and heck even the kids are more interesting. Aegon, Aemond, and Helaena have distinct personalities whereas I can't tell Jace and Luke apart.
We think very similarly!
I agree!!! Wait for Dearon, he was the most honorable from the both sides,humble,wise and a great leader! I'm fearing the showrunners will cut Dearon out because he is the most likeable character in the whole eries and a lot of people'd side with the greens
@@azmariakarol2225 Don’t worry, George R R Martin confirmed on his blog that Daeron will be featured.
@@azmariakarol2225 they did cut him out. They are just gonna lazily add him to the second season
The same. I believe true villain here is Viserys.
Dragon is not a slave.. Dragon choose their own rider.. Dragon is not a throne that only heirs can claim
Finally someone who thinks like I do! I do not cheer for either team, I watch the show for interesting plot and characters. But gosh, I am astounded how 90% of the fandom is so obviously biased in favor of team Black. It's like according to them, absolutely everyone on team Green and whatever they do is bad and evil, but everyone on the team Black and whatever they do is great and cool. If Aemond was team Black they would totally love him and applause him like they do for Daemon, but he's Green so they hate him. Some of team Black fans act like blind psycho-fans.
I'm a borderline black but the twitter fandom genuinely disgusts and shocks me with some of the things they say. They're black fanatics and I have no idea how that happens. Aemond I personally see like a psychopath, like I see Daemon. If Viserys actually dealt with the situation properly then Aemond would have probably turned out fine. But I agree with you, after reading what they say Aemond would be cheered if he was a black.
@@HMSBreadnought I couldn't agree more, bro! Recently I've seen some posts on social media about s2 starting with blood&cheese and people in the comments were genuinely happy and cheering for... murder of an innocent child and poor Helaena being traumatized. WTF?
@@Skrzacik That's definitely what shocked me the most. Blood & Cheese is like The Red Wedding of this series, and they're cheering?
@@Skrzacik these are not fans they are black fanatics. We as book readers knows the reality of the story .but these are people who watched some RUclips short and starts arguing on the social media
@@HMSBreadnought Aemond seems to have created a Fandom. Frankly without him I won't watch HOTD
I am now and forever team green
I just re-watched episode 6 and you could see the agony in Vhagar’s face when Laena begged her to burn her. Then, you hear Vhagar’s mournful cries at the funeral. Aemond was the only one who reacted to her cries. It was clear that they were meant to be. Vhagar was very depressed when Laena died and seemed to wilt. Aemond brought her back to life.
Aemond is now my fav character 💚🔥
People called Aemond a white supremacist??? Bizarre. And extra weird coming from team black supporters seeing as Daemon is essentially a Targaryen supremacist. And many Rhaenyra/Daemon/Dany/team black fans use the 'targaryen blood is superior' argument and hate on the greens for not being Targaryen enough or call the conflict 'targaryen vs Hightower'
After what they put him through he deserved Vhagar. I am glad that they found each other. He didn't do anything wrong.
Aemond was right about dragons. They are not heirlooms. They’re living creatures who choose their riders. While it was a bit dickish of Aemond to rub it in Rhaena’s face after she lost her mother, he did nothing wrong. He went to Vhagar and she chose him. He didn’t start the fight. It was four on one. His nephew was the one who brought the knife, which makes me think that he was planning to attack Aemond. After seeing the extent of Aemond’s injury, I have come to the conclusion that Alicent is a better woman than me. If that was me, I would have ripped everyone apart with my bare hands, especially Viserys’s useless ass. Rhaenyra’s “thank you, father” cemented me as part of team green. She’s a spoiled brat who never got called out on her treasonous behavior. I don’t blame Alicent for being frustrated.
Now that you bring up dragons eating those who failed to bond with them, then in a way, perhaps aemond saved the velaryon girl from being potentially eaten or hurt by vhagar if she ever attempted to bond with vhagar and failed.
They ambushed and attacked him 4 on 1, they are the ones who started the fight, he simply defended himself. It's ridiculous that there were no consequences for their behaviour and I can't blame Alicent for being furious. Her son lost an eye and his own father didn't even seem to care, Viserys seemed more concerned about Rhaenyra's children being called bastards than about his own child getting maimed. 100% team Aemond on this and I too hate how everyone is whitewashing the blacks as if they're morally superior. They're not. I still see the show as not having clear heroes and villains and it's so annoying that the fandom has decided otherwise, and against the side that hasn't actually done anything wrong yet.
So we not gonna pretend and act like he didn’t try to kill one of his nephews in that fight and that’s why his eye got cut he didn’t have to pick up that rock and try to kill one of his cousins like stop
@@jamalfields3524 Nope because he did not, he literally was about to put the stone down in what was clearly a warning, just a warning and then Jacaerys proceeded to try and KILL Aemond with a freaking knife forcing Aemond to keep the stone as a weapon. Bruh, sometimes it feels like people watch different shows with ignorant comments like these. Watch the scene again.
@@stopthecap6913 ummm no he called his nephew a bastard than tried to take his life with that rock so stop it. And even so aemond still picked up a weapon first if he would of never did that shit wouldn’t have escalated. Maybe ur brain failed to see that part or maybe ur just to arrogant to agree. Now anything else why I’m here ?
@@jamalfields3524 So what if he called them bastards? They are bastards and Aemond having to use the stone was self-defense, they literally piled on him, wtf was he suppose to do according to you? Let them beat him to death on the ground?
@@darn4285 my thing is he beat all of them so why when it’s over still proceeds to threaten his nephew life and try to kill him when he won the fight and shoulda just walked.
Those bastards bullied Aemond and took his eye, those cowards attacked him when he was alone . I am on Aemond's side.
That’s wild sadistic against a child
@@johnredden743i think I have used some strong language, sorry for that. I think I have became quite attached with Aemond's character.
They will pay for it eventually. Strong bastards . Aemond will have his revenge .# team green
So we not gonna pretend and act like he didn’t try to kill one of his nephews in that fight and that’s why his eye got cut
@@jamalfields3524 Ffs, get a life. Aemond wasn't the wrong one here, they also tried to kill him.
Viserys gets way too much love because he supported Rhaenyra's claim, while ignoring everything else that made him horrible.
Right? Yay, he made his daughter his heir! …And then he married and forcibly impregnated her fifteen-year-old friend. Girl power?
@@edoboleyn blame otto for that
Great video. Aemond deserves respect after this.
You can’t blame aemond for claiming a dragon it’s in his blood plus my boi was getting jumped he was js defending himself and he didn’t even start the fight
Nah he stole their mothers dragon. Unreal that y’all are cool with this 😂 don’t say shit about dragons choosing their riders. That was their mothers dragon meant for her daughter and that little scumbag stole the glorious dragon cuz he didn’t have one. How shameful.
Team Green for the win.
I've been on the green side. I couldn't believe when I was watching a stream and 87 percent of people voted on the black side.
Viserys looked at his son missing an eye and said "why you spreading rumors!?" 😂😂 WTF
SPOILER WARNING for those who haven’t finished the season !
In my opinion I think both sides are in the wrong. When it comes to the blacks, Rheneara from the start didn’t want to be queen and since she was Viserys only heir he pushed it on her over and over until she just accepted it. I don’t know if it was out of spite that she ended up having bastard children but either way I can agree with Alicent that having 3 at that point was an insult. Now as far as the greens, Otto has been a sneaky bastard since day one and showed little to no hesitation to make Aegon the king when EVERYBODY knew that the kid wasn’t the right choice. And when it comes to the whole Aemond situation, he became blinded by revenge after losing his eye and after that stunt he pulled with Luke, all hell is about to break loose.
But it wasn’t aemond fault that Luke died it. Literally was down to their dragons once again, dragons bond with people, but they are not bound to do what they are say all the time they make a decision to listen and if they decide not to dragons have their own free will and vygahr is a war dragon and a baby dragon decided to test her and she was like oh I’m gonna eat this little shit cause that’s how dragons think they are animals in the one of the very first episodes visarys tells Ryneraha dragons can be trained, but never themed. They are animals. They are beast, and they will react according to that yes the bond most of the time they listen, but not always she is a war dragon getting attacked by Lil Baby dragon he was ordering her to stop multiple times, but she was not listening Neither of their dragons were listening to their rider They were purely going on instinct.
@@tasiaa2711 I’m aware of how the dragons operate that’s not what I was getting at. Aemond had a choice, let Luke go and claim the small victory he already had when he asked for the woman’s hand in marriage (I forgot what the name was) and then leave it at that. But, because he still wanted payback for his eye he acted reckless. Even if he chases Luke just to scare him the end result would’ve been the same because like you said, Luke’s dragon was a baby it didn’t know any better and was trying to protect its rider.
Had Viserys been an active, attentive father and disciplined his sons, Aegon might not have grown into such a scumbag.
Had the showrunners not been so Pro Team Black, they wouldn't have made Aegon a rapist and a supporter of child fighting pits, which is not true in the books. They just don't want anyone to support Aegon, but he's the rightful heir. I don't give a fuck who does what. They're all as bad as each other. I care about the laws and customs of Westeros. Firstborn son of a man is his heir (except in Dorne). End of.
@@bubblewrapstargirlTrue. They better redeem them this season. They even had to mess up the coronation which is the first main time the greens are shown in a positive light. But I guess they didn't want Aegon to have his moment
Rhaena didn’t understand that the dragon has autonomy. A dragon cannot and will not ever be stolen. Vhagar chose Aemond. That’s it. Rhaena insinuated that Aemond was a thief. Not gonna lie but if she felt insulted, that’s her own fault.
Aemond is not the villain he's marked as. He made some bad choices that lead to really bad things happening, but he's not alone in doing that. He shouldn't have played with the equivalent of a nuke to scare an punk luke. I mean come on that's like playing with a gun an being surprised some one died. Really tragic.
I'm on Aemonds and therefore the greens side. The Team Black fans are weirdos incapable of cognitive thought. Seen them making fun of the Hightower children looking like products of incest, meanwhile in the newest episode Daemon and Reanyra get it on and marry.... The hell are they smoking?
If nearly 90% of your realm does not support at all a female ruler, even if you are not male-chauvinist, you cannot force them having a queen by brute force, then Aegon or his brother are the lesser evil.
Viserys had all the lord swear fealty to Rhaenyra tho. So those who later supported Aegon II are guilty of high treason.
@@stantheman2756 you know the Lords of the realm won't give a fuck about a swear when the heir to the throne is trying to incite a war of succession by having bastard heirs of her own, it was either war now or war later.
I mean you can. But you basically have to then be an extremely competent ruler/politician and not think that dragon = I can do whatever I want
@@stantheman2756 Those lords swore those oaths before Aegon was born, and most of them are dead now. As Jon told Daenerys in their first meeting "I am not beholding to my ancestors oaths."
Even if Rhaenyra had become queen without issue, there would still be a Dance of Dragons. Rhaenyra's sons are divided between the "Strong Bastards" (her sons with Harwin) and "Trueborn Targaryens" (her sons with Daemon). Sooner or later, the realm would have divided into two factions anyway. Rhaenyra is the cataclyst of the Dance, not Aegon Il.
The only thing wrong he did was not have the balls to seize the crown. His brother even wanted to give up the throne; Aemond should've taken that as a way to seize power. He is by far the most powerful and effective of the Green players, it's only right that the guy who studies warfare, history, philosophy, and rides the largest dragon would be made king.
Aemond deserve vhagar , rhaena is just entitled like her father .also if viserys have punished lucerys in somekind of way .aemond would have feel some kind of peace for what he lost
If anything Aemond probably saved Rhaena from being a granny dragon snack.
Aemond the best character so far in HotD can wait episode 8 ruthless
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Alicent was the only one who went to her son’s defense. Rhaenyra didn’t even care that her own brother got his eye gouged out by her son and wanted him tortured. Viserys did jack f*ck all to punish Luke for intending to possibly kill Aemond with a knife. The fans bash Alicent for cutting Rhaenyra because harming royals is treason. Where tf was that outrage when a ten year old prince got his eye gouged out?
Sorry. This makes me a bit heated because I was bullied at school when I was Aemond’s age and the only people who defended me were my mom and dad. The school victim-blamed me. Whenever I did anything to defend, the school punished me. Maybe that’s why Aemond has a soft place in my heart. Because I was him at ten years old.
💚 always and forever aemond Targaryen the One-eyed dragon Prince my one is only true king aemond Targaryen.🐉🐉🐉🐉
Aemond did nothing wrong! They come at 4vs1, they attacked him first and they used a weapon first.
Aemond pick a rock but he didnt use until they come to him a blade.
Aemond used word they used violence.
He actually made the first threat with the rock, then made a joke of how their real father died(they know who he is and that they're bastards) and insulted them repeatedly while being outnumbered. Also almost every time words come before physical violence, so yeah. He made a very stupid mistake by challenging them 4v1 in the first place, he could have avoided it. "Aemond did nothing wrong!" - is complete bullshit. Im sorry, but it is. He did plenty wrong there. You just see the price he paid for his arrogance and justify it by the outcome.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 Nah, that threat was after they kept beating him to death on the ground. So it was justifiable but u r right about him keeping on bullying them about their bastard status, that he had coming. Although it is still the truth, not his fault the bastards are salty about being bastards.
@@aleksandarpenchev7807 They are bastards, he was not wrong for saying it, he just said it in the worst circumstances. So yeah, he had it coming but that doesn't mean he was entirely wrong.
@@stopthecap6913 My point was that it does matter who picks up a weapon first, it shows what your intentions are. He had no intent to kill any of them in my opinion, but it’s what they understood from it, and thus….the knife.
@@darn4285 Right and wrong are too narrow to have a conversation about. It’s more nuanced than this. I never said he was entirely wrong. He’s a kid ffs.
The whole Team [ insert ] thing, it's like some can't peel away from 100% good/evil, zero gray area storytelling. Even larger ASOIAF youtubers that go on for days about knowing the material better than GRRM himself are falling for this.
Agreed! Dragons are not inherited. Dragon riders are chosen by the dragons.
And let's not act like Aemond didn't have every single right to have taken that Dragon and been rude to them all these years. They treated him like crap because he didn't have a dragon they gave him a pig making fun of him. Then get pissed off when he retaliates 😭😭😭
I just cannot wait for episode 8. That's all.
What are you looking forward to without big spoilers pls
@@Aemond2024 payback for that eye he took
@@Aemond2024 The beginning of the dance of the dragons too
@@sunnyboyjr2611That would be episode 10
Strongly agree man 💪
I think the team black bias is kind of the point over how history is written by the victors.
People who hate Alicent (at this point in the show with no context of the book) are sheep who fall for framing rather than actual intent. I bet GRRM lols
Yes. The book is way more balanced than the show is for some reason.
That’s weird I thought the book was supposed to be written by the victors then show would present how it actually happened
@@jlall4467 team black wins
Happy not to be on the side of those who call a kid a bitch.
"some are even calling him a white supremacist."
Lmao, aren't they all racial supremacists?
The Velaryons are 'supposed' to be of the same race as the Targaryens, and they're all very concerned about the purity of Valyrian blood so...
Viserys was a failure as a king he favor raenyra even if what she doing was wrong that will create hatred and cycle of the hatred will grow that is clear
Yes!! I don't understand why everyone likes the blacks so much! They seem like genuinely terrible people. Aemond is 1000% my favorite character.
Team Green 💚💚
But the thing is he did do three things wrong; 1.) calling his cousins bastards out of spite and arrogance, 2.) he was an asshole for saying Laena and Harwin dead with vulgarity in his voice with no remorse, empathy, sympathy or compassion, 3.) the timing was wrong, it happening at a funeral is wrong imo people needed time to mourn Laena but they could not get that thanks to him. Claiming a dragon is not wrong but the aftermath and timing is.
Daemon and Aemond are one in the same, Daemon is also impulsive & Aemond is a bloodthirsty character. Both men would have repeated the actions of Maegor by way of Kinslaying Daemon has ambitious goals for House Targaryen not the throne.
The principale of justice or eye for an eye is clear
If viserys get justice for aemond we wouldnt have this rage in aemond to kill luce later
Am talking to the ignorant black team here imagine someone took your eye and walk free as nothing happen
You woukd be paranoide cant sleep cuz of the fear that your abuser walk free and never been judge you would not have peace only if you kill him
People talk and see the situation in favor of the black they forgot that the green are also humans and have fear and pride and gradge like our selfs
Aemond losing his eye and Viserys not doing anything about it, not even giving Luke a slap on the wrist or saying never do that again, and instead humiliating Alicent and Aemond and Aegon by yelling at them like they’re in the wrong for telling the truth… eliminated any doubts that Rhaenyra would no doubt be a threat to their lives if she became Queen if she was willing to torture her brother (she said sharply questioned and was dead serious about it) to find out who told him the truth of her eldest three boys. She didn’t give a damn her son mutilated another child she only cared to play cover up for her mistakes.
Yes maybe Luke should not have lost an eye in return but he should have been punished. They could have him banned from Kingslanding for life or for a long time, disinherited from Driftmark (not that he was entitled to Driftmark and the Lord of the Tides title in the first place), something to punish him!
Viserys didn’t give a damn about the fact his son was crippled to life which is a big deal in Medieval societies, and no doubt traumatized, and instead cared about people saying the truth about his grandsons. He didn’t offer any comfort to Aemond and yelled at the one person Alicent who sought justice for him. Rhaenyra or Viserys did even scold Luke for what he had done.
Yes Aemond could have been nicer, he said some mean things to Rhaena and Baela, but they all ganged up against him and went to strike him first. Jace pulled out the knife. Rhaena was not entitled to Vhagar in any way. We saw how Daemon favors Baela over Rhaena and how bullies Aemond is by his brother and nephews that Targaryens without dragons are overlooked and under appreciated. The fact that the bastard nephews had dragons and the love of Viserys and Aemond had neither was hurting him enough. He took a chance and risked his life to claim the largest and most powerful dragon in the realm. While Aemond was insensitive for claiming a dead lady’s dragon the night of her funeral while her daughters mourn her and Rhaena wants a piece of her mother, he did not steal dragon. A dragon can’t be stolen only claimed. Vhagar claimed Aemond as much as Aemond claimed Vhagar. She was not entitled to Vhagar by simply being Laena’s daughter. Besides if you look at her previous riders from Baelon to Visenya and Laena, she seems to have a type. The brash warrior hearted ones. Rhaena is too gentle and ladylike for Vhagar.
While wrong doings occurred on both ends for Aemond being insensitive to his cousins and them (Jace Luke Rhaena Baela) escalating the conflict physically as they started the fight physically, Aemond threatening Jace with a rock, ultimately the one most wronged is Aemond.
He was maimed traumatized and had to relearn everything (as losing an eye impacts your balance and sight) and the people who caused it and the person who took his eye were not punished instead he was yelled at like he was the problem.
Had Aemond not been bullied about not having a dragon, he likely wouldn't have claimed Vhagar.
I think he still would have gone after Vhagar whether or not he was pressured into it. He wanted to be a dragonrider like the rest of his Targaryen kin
Everyone should also know that if Rayna would have done what Aomand did by walking right up to Vhagar's face especially how Aomand showed no fear on 2 to 3 occasions when Vhagar turned to look right at him, I know he couldn't have been couple feet from him either, Vhagar would have smelled the fear within seconds and swallowed her whole
iam with the greens
Honestly, I firmly believe a lot of the blame comes from the fact that the Hightower Targs were raised by Alicent and Ser Criston, two characters who hated Rhaenyra because they were tied to duty when the Princess and heir could go off and, from their point of view, skirt all responsibility by having bastards with Ser (Lord?) Strong. [A lot of people seem to think Rhaenyra doing that was especially wrong and that she was cheating on Laenor despite the fact that she and Laenor set it up so that their marriage was an open relationship solely to align their houses closer, a lot like Daemon and Laena with respect to the fact that Daemon actually had kids with Laena. There are always going to be morons I guess.]
Were Aegon and Aemond not raised by these two, or perhaps is Viserys stepped in more often and been their father, they might not have been so indoctrinated into bastard hatred [which I thought was heightened by the Blackfyres but whatever] and thus the uncle/nephews wouldn’t nearly be so hostile to one another.
For the case of Luce and Jace attacking Aemond, Aemond was being kind of a prick about taming Vhaegar [who wouldn’t to be fair, he’s still a kid a pride comes in spares as a Targ] and verbally harassing the Velayron girls. Does that give them the right to attack him? No, not really, but he exacerbated it further by going along with his mother’s/Ser Criston’s indoctrination.
All in all, Viserys caused the war through negligence as his health failed over time, the Hightowers pressed the issue incredibly, and Aemond started the dance by killing Luce. All because communication was out the window after Rhaenyra snuck out with Daemon when she was a teenager.
He flashes the rock as a warning when hes in a disadvantaged state then he starts to put it down and jace comes at him with a knife, sand gets throne and its all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Viserys does nothing.
Have to agree. Aemond is the most badass character and i think the boy should have lost the hand he used to cut out his eye. That would have been an appropriate punishment.
Based Aemond!
Great Video btw
It's great that u mention emergency awesome, it's sad how people pick sides as if this is a president election or something🤣. And offcourse the bias review from most of youtube reviews towards the greens is laughable to cinema. We want a great series and i hope the maker of this series isn't driven by most audiencies preverance, which is towards the black.
This is the first time I’ve seen this opinion since I’m usually a team black supporter it’s interesting tho ,in my opinion the whole Aemond situation just shows how this conflict over the throne has affected these kids , cause these kids have been taught to hate each other. I do think aemond isn’t completely without blame I mean he was about to bash jaces head in ,so Luke was just kinda defending his brother. This episode is so good honestly and I love seeing the conflict overflow.
Did you even watch the fight. Lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastards and kept trying to stab him
U just got a new subscriber keep it up man
When it comes to grasping power -NOTHING is “off limits!
The powerful CAN have bastards. The powerful CAN, “grab a hot whip and ride it like they stole it!”
Thing is, GRRM is awesome at making his characters simultaneously bastards AND still have likable (if not understandable) characteristics.
Do I hate Aemon? Shit no. But his uncle does whip his ass -And if there’s a Seventh Heaven, Daemon’s cackling like a little girl at that!
Lets go team Green
Aemond is the best choice.If he did it the night he lost his eye and tamed the largest dragon .Few could protest and he marry his sister rather than his brother.Aegon also gets to relax no more pressure to be the next king.
Its awesome to find people who think clearly and see that the greens are justified in their ways except for the obvious flaws like aeogon's rape and larys killing of his family
Pretty big exceptions don’t you think. And the fact that they r doing a coup
He come at him with a knife.... .he's got a right to defend himself #teamgreen really don't like rhaneara
started the show as pro-black, then over the course of the show grew more and more pro-green. But honestly both sides suck, monarchy and patriachy is simply unfair and if we actually would put modern westrn morals to the show -like many pro-black fans seemingly do- then noone should sit on that ugly chair.
How many times will i have to agree with you bro 💯
Aemond blackfyre 🗡
These people defending Aemonds eye being put out and Viserys doing NOTHING should NEVER EVER be leaders or have power. dark times would ensue
I am Team Green.
facts.
Though, I don't disagree fully, when he gets into a confrontation with Laena's daughters and his nephews, he appears ready and willing to kill, Luke, so though I understand your side, it's hard to look past that for me, then again, maybe one of then would've killed Aemond.
I don't think Aemond was in any way wrong for the dragon. I think the fight was just kids being kids and it got out of hand and he paid the price. On the subject of Rhaeynera. She might not make a good queen but Aegon certainly won't make a good king. He's a selfish bully that can't keep it in his pants or put the wine glass down. He's part of the reason Aemond is so defensive and unable to show any empathy for anyone else. Aemond wouldn't be named king because that's not how succession works. Viserys could pass over Rhaenera for Aegon but it would take something major for him to pass over them both for Aemond. As long as Aegon and Otto are on team green I have to go with team black but both teams have some issues. Sidenote: I find it interesting how alike Aemond and Daemon are.
Aegon is not a good king but he might be like robert baratheon. Leaving the ruling to his hand and his council while he whores and drinks away~
Book spoilers below!!! (For the end of the dance!) warning!!
I havent read the books but i did read on the wiki a little on his rule after the dance that he was in constant terrible pain but did his best working with his council on his rule as he struggled with his injuries. RIP. He aint remembered as a good king though. Neither was rhaenerya.
They are nothing alike, don't compare charming and beautiful with old ,boring (Daemon).
Best video yet bro
Very well said
Team green 💪
got to be braindead to support that lot
@@joetheblu3There is literally no good reason to support Team blacks, unless your woke leftist
Good video keep it up !
I stopped liking Luke after at the last supper a pig is brought out on the table and Luke snickers at Aemond. If any of Rhaenyra’s children that I actually like is Jace, I enjoy the relationship he builds with Cregan Stark. Like Viserys said “the idea that we control the dragons is an illusion “ people seem to ignore that part so when Aryaxx starts the fight and Vhagar of course She’s going to be pissed. We can clearly see remorse in Aemons response by saying “no no no Vhagar no” showing the face of “what have I done? “ Expressions on the face is key when watching Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon or hell Dunk& egg. You have to look carefully, I will give you a prime example. Roose Bolton while looking at his face the first time I didn’t realize what was going on at the red wedding until Cat pulled back his sleeve and saw the chain mail and his look. I rewatched season two and three just to see signs of what Roose’s full intentions were and bam it’s right there. How he treats Jamie, how he’s upset that Robb won’t listen to him or take any of his advice except that Ramsey could stop Theon. Let’s go back to HOTD, and I’m going to get called out for this by someone, but couldn’t Rhaenyra have fucked at least someone with silver hair? Preferably a mixed skin one, she got dealt a bad hand when it came to her first husband and no one can say that he wasn’t a good father to the boys. Anyway I’m on neither side, i know what happens, so I call it team watcher or team chaos . We know what’s going to happen but we still want to see it on screen. Anyway man if you read this I’d very much appreciate it
there is difference between real fans and "fans".it is known that GRRM's vision of story is not the usual "protagonists vs antagonists" cause in his universe majority of his characters are grey. why people cheer for rhaenyra is mostly because of the commercials and HotD posters where Milly Alcock was shown thousand times and mostly people who dont even know who the f*** she is or read the books...they are usually her fans only because they saw some cute girl with crown on pics whereby they concluded that she must be the protagonist of the show.When we look back and when we focus on facts and justice,,,we will notice that Rhaenyra is more of an antagonist than an protagonist.First she uses her puberty the wrong way and forces an kingsguard into sex.Later on she dumps him for another one this time an city watch named Harwin Strong.And this time she is more reckless cause Criston Cole no matter how bad he is,he managed to not get her pregnant while Harwin managed to get her pregnant THREE times!!! And then she calls people liars whenever they adress her immoral issue! Then she claims kids are of Laenor Velaryon thou even his own kin noticed that something is wrong and that these kids arent his!His uncle even paid with his own life for bringing this issue to light when he was beheaded by Daemon for the irony that he actually was right!And this makes Viserys,Daemon and Rhaenyra somehow as tyrants! The greens are just the way they are cause they are forced by blacks to be this way!
You are right
U lame if you like the blacks. Daemon is the only good character in that whole crew.
Agreed. Daemon and Princess Rhaenys are the only good people on team black. I can't stand any of Rhaenyra's kids. The Strong boys are insufferable little shits who die horribly in the war as they deserve.
8:01 thanks.
Facts
All targs were bad, Bobby B was right
bobby b is targaryen on his mothers side lmao
@@joetheblu3 Targ efforts to dilute the divine bloodline of the Durrandon didn’t work. Bobby B overcame his cursed targ heritage to destroy them, as the Seven intended.
@@nicknaylor9895 ok but hes still got their blood
@@joetheblu3 he was overall blood of the Durrandon
@@nicknaylor9895 yeah i know but it just funny when hes part targaryen
He insulted Rhaena and Baela about their mother being dead, said they would only be good enough to ride pigs, smashed a 5 years old face and threatened and was going to kill Lucerys, and just lost... Did he steal a dragon? No but to say he did nothing wrong is a blatant lie... Aemond absolutely started the fight
You are a special one. Everything you just said is nothing but lies.
No, stupid much?
In context he made fun of them the same way Jayce and Luke did. He also punched the younger one after he charged him. Tbh I can't blame him for how he acted years of being treated like shit by bastard children that are stealing the birthright of your side of the family. Then to see them try and defend their cousins they only knew for like a day.
Well reason why I can relate with how Aemond carries himself, quit and stays to himself, no I never had a chance to ever find and have me a Dragon to ride, God knows if I would have then just as probably Aemond has in his mind, I went through growing up being the word bullied doesn't give enough meaning to him or myself also, see if it's just like most kids growing up these days they just have to worry when going to school or out playing around the neighborhood but not with Aemond or myself, growing up being only step kid in a family of 8 of us 5 step brothers and sisters, my mother and bastard step dad and myself, I had to wake up to being kicked in my face as I was only one had no bed to sleep in til I was 15 and that's because made enough money cutting grass to buy a bed myself, when my brothers there were 4 had a sister she bullied me also but more so mentally not physically and believe me if a person is evil enough then then the mental shit being done to you so many times was a I
Lot worse off then being beat on and I would have rather her kick me around then the things she put me through growing up, see Aemond was always being bullied by his cousins and even his own damn brother in the show that's why for him didn't take to long till how he carried himself everyday getting up and his whole day was always horrible, see I don't want to go into no more about me I was just feeling everything he was going through when watching the show, from 8 years old till I was 16 my step brothers had beat up so many times and I'm not talking about few licks black eye and over with, hell no during the time frame I just mentioned of my age I went to the hospital 7 times 3 of them I had to be there for 3 days to 7 days don't remember each time for what, so I'm all pulling for Aemond
there are so many things I could pick apart in this video, but the one that got me to start typing is the assumption Viserys never reprimanded Rheanyra for having bastards. Just because it happened off screen doesn't mean it never happened. We've seen him reprimand her several times but he knows full well he created this problem by marrying Alicent after naming Rheanyra heir and insisting she be heir after fathering two legitimate children.It's the game of power. No one's moral here, not even Jon fucking Snow. No one has a better claim or argument to the throne. Power will inevitably fall into the hands of those best able to maneauver the treacherous political terrain of Westeros! When will you people ever get that!
That’s not something you leave off screen though. That has to be shown or else it makes Viserys look weak.
Just shut up Nirvair Singh
Whaaaaatttt....? Seriously.. He did not steal...? If you have your most precious dog and i bring it home and wanted to own it just because he likes me and never ask permission to own it.. Is it not stealing?
One of the most stupid and dumbest reason i heard actually..
Anyway i love how they build the charachter of Aemond...
Dragons are not owned like dogs. Once their dragon rider is dead it's for everyone to try and ride it
Aemond's timing was off. That was the major problem. He was bullied by his brother as well, so I don't see how you can pin that on just Rhaenyra's kids. Also, Rhaenyra's actions have nothing to do what led to the fight. Ameond didn't help things either by also insulting Rhaenyra's kids during the confrontation, and made no attempt deescalate the matter. Lastly, it was an all out fight, yeah the blacks started it on a physical note, however, when Aemond picked up the rock and continued to approach them, he had that knife coming. He gave no warning for them to back away, nor did he try to leave.
Insult? He didn't insult them he told the truth. They started it .They attacked him first 4 of them attacked him and because he picked up the rock they intentionally targeted his eye it wasn't a mistake. What kind of boy cut out another person's eye
@@aishahamma334 You ignored everything I said, and just because you tell the truth doesn't mean it can't be weaponized. If you use the truth to hurt someone, then it counts as an insult.
@@dranixrush3306If you really believe that they started it how can you say he had that knife coming. If they hadn't attacked him that wouldn't have happened in the first place. If.it was the other way around aemond had hurt
Lucerys everyone will hate him. People even hate alicent because she tried to attack rhaenyra. Alicent had every right to be angry
@@aishahamma334 Your actions matter, even if you weren't the one who initiated it.
@@dranixrush3306You're right actions does matter and the Strong boys proved that they're psychopaths. Who attacks someone with a knife over an insult and gouges their eye out. It maybe an insult but it's the truth and if they can't handle it that's their fault
The amount of people defending this, I can’t even understand
Aemond punched Baela in her face and put hands on Luc's neck strangling him in the air. Aemond picked up a rock and hit Jace in the face. He then threatened to have his dragon burn them all to death. It was AFTER this occurred, when the 4 kids jumped on him as Aemond was stronger. They had to fight for their lives at this point.
Actually the Velaryon kids hit him first, Aemond returned fire after being attacked, same with the rock and threats, he picked up the rock after being jumped on the ground by all 4 of them and having his face beaten. It is very clear from the Episode that he was attacked first.
@@meterod he stole their mothers dragon in the middle of the night like cmon.
@@stantheman2756 How do you “steal” a dragon? They either choose to accept you as their rider or they kill you. There is no “stealing” and dragons aren’t inherited like property.
@@meterod I mean laena’s daughter fully expected the dragon to be hers. She was still mourning her mothers death. One eye took advantage of that because aemond and his family crave power so much. Proves how hungry the Hightowers are for power.
@@meterod he gets mad at the other kids for being mad at him for stealing their dragon 😂 that’s crazy
most ur points are right but u act like he wasn’t about to try and kill one of the boys with a rock
He wasn't it was a bluff you saw him lowering the rock. Contrary to popular belief he isn't stupid and he didn't want to be a kinslayer unfortunately his nephews didn't share the same reservations.
@@chrisanderson7258 y’all just yapping at this point 💀 retarded ass out of my replies
This is a rough take
how? they treated him like shit for years and wonder why hes messed up