Hiroyuki Sanada is not the Jackie Chan of Japan. Hiroyuki Sanada is an excellent character actor before he is an action star. His acting career began at the age of five, and he is an outstanding actor who has won several awards, including Best Actor at the Japan Academy Awards, the Japanese equivalent of the Oscars. In Shogun, he shows what a great actor and producer he is.
I'm just glad someone with some knowledge of world/asian history, even just a little, is reacting to the show. I think even a little context to history elevates this show to a bigger appreciation.
I really liked Ishido's plotting in this episode. I can see why hes the true threat amongst the Council Leaders because hes the only one besides Yoshii that isnt letting Religion get in the way of the bigger picture and him being the one behind John's Breakout by seeing this guy has some usefulness is a legitimately good move. Meanwhile,Yoshi is seeing how religion is being used to Colonize the world and him seeing the "the bigger picture" with Japans place amongst the entire globe at this point is also an amazing scene. I really love how they are showing how Religion is truly a sneakier way of Colonizing,its happening for legitimate Centuries and i like how this story doesnt hide their place in this conflict.
well, the seppuku system is actually for everyone.... UPPER and MIDDLE classes mainly, cause lower class civilians arent samurais. While the rest of the world looks at Seppuku as a form of punishment, Japanese sees seppuku as an act of restoring honor. aka if u make ANY FORM of mistakes, you commit seppuku as the form of an ultimate repentance in order to remain honorable. In a odd way, it is the equivalent of if someone in christianity had sin, we go confess the sin to a priest and we would be cleansed of that sin. Japanese has a similar system but with HONOR and they see sacrifice as the best payment for return in honor.
From the perspective of Japanese people living today, it is only natural that Japanese people in the past were nervously wary of Christian missionaries and their sects, and monitored their actions and words. Because the missionaries who came to Japan from abroad incited more than 60,000 people to set fire to the ancient and beautiful shrines and temples of Japan and ordered the destruction of statues and altars in the buildings, leaving them in vast burnt ruins. Just about the same time Anjin arrived in Japan, such incidents had occurred many times by Christian missionaries in Japan at that time. Wooden statues and wooden altars were kicked down and smashed with farm tools and tools. They were then disassembled and used as firewood in large quantities in the houses of Christian priests and in the seminaries built by the missionaries. Metal statues, including bronze statues, were toppled from their original pedestals and altars just before they were destroyed, tied with ropes, dragged across the ground, and spat on. They were also kicked and smashed to pieces. The gold and silver used for decoration was stripped and sent to the missionaries' home countries in Europe to be reused to decorate European royal palaces and churches. All of these incidents were directed by Christian missionaries toward the Japanese who had converted them to their congregation. The Portuguese missionary Luis Frois proudly recounts the details of the incidents in his book titled "History of Japan. In Japan there were indeed innumerable idols, and many splendid and magnificent temples and shrines. It was no easy task to destroy them all, so I preached to and persuaded the Japanese who had converted to Christianity many times. I had never believed in Christianity until now," he said. What do I have to do to atone for my sins? The priest replied to the Japanese believer who asked, "What can I do to atone for my sins? He said, "We, as Christians, must do what is pleasing to God and in accordance with His will and as a way to atone for our sins while we did not believe in Christianity, and as a way to avoid going to hell after you die, burn the ancient temples, shrines, and idols of Japan. The Japanese congregation obeyed the priest's words and destroyed and set fire to numerous ancient Japanese temples and shrines. On the sites of the numerous temples and shrines that the missionaries had their congregations burn and destroy, they built more than 87 Christian churches and seminaries to spread Christianity in Japan at an even faster pace and to change all of Japan according to the Christian way of life. The fear of foreigners among the Japanese people at that time was at an all-time high due to the many incidents caused by these fanatical missionaries and the abnormal behavior of Japanese Christians who were inspired by them. Moreover, there was more to the abnormal behavior of the missionaries. They were sending large numbers of Japanese to Europe as slaves. European merchants and sailors also cooperated in the slave trade led by these missionaries. It is a natural reaction for Japanese people at that time to be wary of European countries and foreigners who came to Japan from there. Also, even today, Japanese people are still uncomfortable with foreigners because they have inherited the memory of those days when Anjin came to Japan. In Japan, people have been learning about history through manga since they were small children, and all Japanese know this fact long before history classes began in junior high and high schools. They all remember how and why Japan was once closed off from the rest of the world. That is why there are very few people in Japan today who convert to Christianity because they are attracted by the beauty of the hymns and decorations they often see in Christian churches, or by the tenets of the religion. The number of Christians in Japan is still small. There is no need for people to bring conflict into Japan across the sea. Surveys in magazines, newspapers, and on the Internet have revealed that most Japanese want to maintain a society where people can live in peace and tranquility based on ancient Japanese customs. The atomic bombing of Japan during World War II and the recent wars around the world in the international news are often caused by foreign religions and the worldviews held by people of high rank in those religions. Therefore, there are many Japanese who say they are worried about getting involved with foreign countries across the sea more and more. We are told that it was the same 170 years ago when American warships suddenly appeared in Tokyo Bay (then known as edo Bay) to break Japan's isolation and fired 100 blanks, as well as during the two world wars. People overseas repeat the same thing all the time. In Japan, when we imagine foreign countries, we have a strong image of such things. This drama, Shogun, depicts the bewilderment of the Japanese ancestors living today at the moment they first met Europeans and learned of their European temperament. You will witness in this drama how the Japanese people have been at the mercy of the various machinations and ambitions of the Europeans. This is not the glorious story of European People. It is the story of the beginning of the Japanese people's history of suffering.
"The atomic bombing of Japan during World War II and the recent wars around the world in the international news are often caused by foreign religions and the worldviews held by people of high rank in those religions." lol, what? The atomic bombing of Japan was caused by foreign religions? Well, I hope you know what the Japanese did in China at the time.
@@rogeriopenna9014 We know, we know, how the four countries around Japan after World War II spread the contents of fantastical novels written by Chinese and Korean novelists as "stories that happened in real life" to all parts of the world. And we know that people in China, South Korea, North Korea, and Russia say this. Because people in neighboring countries often laugh at the TV news when they say this. Japan is the farthest corner of the Far East, and the Japanese language has few speakers and users in other countries. The few learners of Japanese in other parts of the world are absorbed in anime and video games and are indifferent to Japanese history. Few Europeans or Americans can read Japanese books, especially about what was happening around Japan during World War I and World War II. The Japanese are so poor at English that they can hardly make their arguments without using Japanese. And we have been studying about the history of the witch trials and racism and realized that Europeans and Americans have strong assumptions. Let's take advantage of this. Let's induce other regions to lose Japan's allies so that we can continue to criticize Japan. We can't stop something so simple and interesting. No one will believe what Japan says, but they will believe what we say. Pity the poor Japanese with their poor English and small voices. People in the US and Europe strongly believe in their ideals, not in the correct truth. So, let us create their ideal of a "very bad Japan" and put it in front of the eyes of the Americans and Europeans. If we stimulate their emotions, they will immediately believe in our production and criticize Japan. They don't even bother to examine in detail whether we or Japan are telling the correct history. They don't know Japanese, they don't read books or newspapers about Japan during the war. Oh, how I love to see Japan isolated. The truth can be replaced by something else entirely if we say it loud enough. Oh, how I wish for the day when poor, pathetic Japan will be isolated from the rest of the world and disappear. May that day come soon. Poor, pathetic Japan that no one believes in! May Mt. Fuji explode now, and may Mt. Fuji erupt and all Japanese people die together. Or we will send Japanese men and boys to Siberia and all Japanese women and girls will be human brides of our country. And let them be obliged to bear our children. All Japanese women and girls will be ours, and all of Japan will be our land. All is well with our plan. We have ordered that all immigrants from other parts of the world be sent to Japan to increase the immigrant population. Whenever the Japanese objected, we had foreign newspapers and TV stations advertise to the world that the Japanese were racists. And now Japan is doing just that. The experiment has succeeded. Now that the rest of the world has become indifferent to Japan, we will soon have all of Japan's land, economic power, and technological prowess. The Japanese people will soon disappear from the earth. The success of our plan is imminent." If you are someone who understands Japanese, watch the Japanese news. You will see how Japan's neighboring countries are repeating these statements against Japan. Also, if you can read Japanese, you can understand how Japanese civilians were stabbed in the neck and head with bayonets and sewn to ceilings and walls by Chinese and Russian and Korean soldiers at the end of World War II without warning or warning, or how many Japanese women, children, and elderly people were thrown into the air and rolled miserably on the ground after being run over by tanks. I think you can understand. If you can read Japanese, you can also understand how the U.S. burned over 500,000 Japanese, 66 cities, and 400,000 Japanese. Please try to learn Japanese.
@@rogeriopenna9014 Everyone in Japan knows why Japan decided to participate in World War II, what the Japanese were doing in China at that time, and what kind of conflicts were taking place in the Far East at that time. Because Japanese junior high and high schools have history classes almost every day of the week. This makes many Japanese people think that the Japanese were in China at the time of the World War. After all, the entire history of the world up to now, including World War II, is due to religion. It was the English aristocrats and merchants, working at the behest of the Queen, who paralyzed almost all of China with drugs and made many Chinese people sick. So why did they carry out such a plan against the Chinese? It was because these English people believed in Christianity, which is concerned with the color of a person's skin and eyes, and they strongly believed that they had the right to rule over people with other skin colors. Why did Russia try to expand its territory by sending a large army to the borders of China at that time when it was such a difficult time? It was because Russia considered itself the legitimate heir of a Christian sect and strongly believed that it could become the savior of all mankind by controlling all the lands to save all mankind in the world like Christ did. Why were Japanese civilians living quietly in two separate countries, Russia and China, killed in large numbers by the Chinese and Russians just before the start of World War II? The Japanese, who proposed the total abolition of racial discrimination, which was then being actively practiced by the US and European countries in all parts of Asia, including China, and in Africa, were so disgusted by the US and European countries that they said, "The Yellow Peril of the Yellow Peril Theory is the Japanese. The Japanese are trying to steal wealth from us Americans and Europeans. We who believe in Christianity should rule the world. What the Japanese are proposing is unacceptable. Let's set it up that Japanese who leave Japan and live abroad are spies sent by Japan and should be eliminated. Also, let's blockade the seas around Japan so that we can't send our exports to Japan." and this was the result of some Russians and Chinese who were doing business with the U.S. and European countries attacking the U.S. and European citizens to make the Japanese look like the bad guys. Also, both Chinese and Koreans said, "We are the center of the world and the Japanese and people in other parts of the world should follow us." and became tired and weak fighting against the Russians. What was the cause? It is because people who think of themselves as the center of the world, like religions, repeatedly clashed with each other. Instead of protecting the lives of the people, they repeatedly turned the people into soldiers and lost them in battles because of their religious beliefs. Why did Japan voluntarily jump into such a mess with Russia, China, and Korea? Because it was scary to see all the other countries thinking themselves as the center of the world and fighting each other again and again, looking like a religious believer who completely blindly believes in something. Because I wanted to make the U.S. and Europe withdraw their claims and maritime blockade, which were based on Christian ideas such as the Yellow Peril theory and racism. Then why did the U.S. drop the atomic bomb on Japan? Why were Japanese civilians killed by swords and tanks in large numbers by Chinese, Korean, and Russian soldiers who were returning to Japan from the continent right after the defeat? Because the U.S. considered the Japanese to be the Yellow Peril and were angry with Japan for taking their colonies from them. The Chinese, Koreans, and Russians were angry at Japan because they thought that the Japanese bullying them, who should be the center of the world, was unforgivable. Because of these feelings, they have long believed and criticized Japan as evil, misinterpreting the fictional tragic events written in their imaginations by postwar novelists as what the Japanese military actually did in their homeland. I think this is a kind of faith and religion. They are guided and instigated by politicians instead of religious people, and blindly believe in a religion called patriotism. So no one knows that Japan was making efforts in mainland China to improve the infant mortality rate and housing conditions by spreading modern medical care in China, or that Japan was making efforts to spread education and schools so that people could read and write. Nor do they know that the Japanese military and Japanese doctors were cracking down on and collecting the drugs that the British distributed to all parts of China, and were trying to eliminate drugs from China. The same is true of Korea. They do not know how much money Japan was sending to both countries for reconstruction after the war, and they do not care how huge it was. They believe in a religion called patriotism, so they think that Japan deserves to pay huge sums of money for hurting the country they love. They think they are the greatest in the center of the world and have the right to freely spend and keep asking for money from Japan. Therefore, the cause of World War II can be traced back to religion. Economic friction, trade friction, and war are all based on religion, which discriminates people based on skin color and eye color, incites hatred, and always tries to establish a pecking order. The desire to expand the territory of each, the strong patriotism, and the passion to be a hero in defense of one's homeland are little different from religious beliefs. War begins the moment we, like religious believers, blindly believe in something and begin to think of ourselves as the center of the world. That is why all the wars that have happened in the past and those that are happening now are caused by religion. Everything is a religious war. Essentially, it is a spiritually sound and correct choice to value national borders, cultural differences, and the lives of the people more than religion, and to maintain peace in each country independently, keeping a distant distance that cannot be easily crossed by sea, mountains, or prairies. Why is it that on the continent, the imposition of beliefs and religions always heats up, intensifies, and leads to war? It's because they force their way closer to each other, and that leads to conflict. So why don't they just leave each other alone and not interfere with each other? History has shown us that any large country, even if it tries to unite itself into a vast nation, will always end up divided one day. How many times do you have to do the same thing over and over again before you get tired of it? Religion really is a scary thing. Many students in Japan who have studied history classes recognize that about every war in the world.
great first two episodes!! loved your intermission discussion between you 3 . Can't wait fot more. Also dropping some Nintendo history is always welcomed!!
i remember watching that a long time ago, they didn't have subtitle for the japanese parts back then. don't remember the plot, and don't want to re-view it now so there's no spoiler. lol but I remember the translator lady being more pleasant and soft compared to this one. this one seems a bit fiery and condescending. then again...so is John Blackthorne. different flavor i guess.
23:10 it was common practice to trade “hostages” amongst other Daimyos and rivals to ensure peace between clans… this is why the real life version of Toranaga, Tokugawa, grew up amongst his family’s chief rival
Yeah, this practice of trade hostages has also been used very frequently during the conquest wars of Julius Caesar in Gallia. The Romans take hostages the sons and daughters of the important tribe bosses to prevent revolts against them.
"Flux" is dysentery as a sailor I assume they would not have access to clean water to bathe even in ports most times as the water could not be trusted. I assume its mostly a bathing culture difference. I mean when you live on an island with hotsprings due to volcanic activity you get spoiled by all the clean water available for batheing and the like.
The attempt on John Blackthornes life confirmed he was telling the truth. Plus he demonstrated that he was a Anjin a Pilot, and did not lie about his intent. This story is not that far removed historically, from the attempted invasion of England by the Spanish Armada in 1588. The Erasmus the first ship from a protestant nation arrived about the same date.
The name of the Portuguese and spain agreement is " tratado de Tordesilhas" and its really happened, that way Brasil speak Portuguese and the rest of the south América speak Spanish, the agreement ended after Portuguese and spain had the same king
I liked Richard Chamberlain and like very much the current actor. He is not diverting attention from other actors and is a great fit, even visually. He is a mesh of Tom Hardy and Russel Crowe. Besides he was the navigator of the ship, no warrior like Barbar Connan 😂
You should not be taking the show as a historically accurate representation of Japanese history. While Shōgun is a very well-researched novel and grounded in reality, it is also very rich with certain clichés and quite over-dramatized. The violence and cruelty displayed here are far from realistic, both biologically (with regards to the sailor being boiled to death all night) and especially in how likely they were. That especially (boiling) was an extreme oddity in Japan with little to no historical evidence. Yes, the Samurai were generally allowed to kill anyone of a lower rank, but this was strongly reglemented and would have required a good explanation in a hearing with one's superiors. The Samurai were seen as textbook examples of what a Japanese citizen should be and causing harm to this ideal, let's say by demoralizing and traumatizing an entire village by slowly torturing people to death within hearing-range, would've been quite intolerable. The same goes for randomly chopping people's heads off. The boiling in particular, as it is shown here, is a work of (horror) fiction through and through and while it did happen in human history, it was either a matter of minutes rather than hours (if at all) or conducted quite differently. The best documented case is perhaps that or Richard Roose who died under Henry the 8th in England, not too long before the plot of Shōgun sets in. According to witness-reports, Roose died after a 2h timespan during which he was submerged in a boiling liquid 3 times for a couple seconds each. Still a hellish way to die, but you don't literally sit in a boiling liquid and live for much more than a minute (probably less). My general criticism of the (otherwise fantastic) Book is that an Englishman in the year 1600 would not have been so shocked by any of this. We're talking England under the Tudors. They put more people to death via capital punishment during their reign than the Japanese did during the entire 2nd millennium. Death by boiling included and, unlike the Japanese, they actually knew how to prolong the process. Shōgun's actual quality lies in its accurate depiction of societal norms and customs more so than in its dramatization and gore.
@@cmg-s5d I think it goes into horrorfilm-territory for an otherwise completely unnecessary 5 minute sequence. Clavell's own time in captivity certainly reflects in this scene, as it was just as cruel in the book. It is quite a wild exaggeration though and doesn't really fit into Japan's history or culture. Not saying that sadists weren't around in feudal Japan but introducing a foreign reader to the US via the charming character of Ted Bundy would be seen as an odd choice, would it not? Most importantly, death by boiling lasts seconds, counting from the moment the heat starts to cause tissue damage. It may be argued that they slowly raised the heat to prolong his suffering, but that does not reflect in the sailor's damaged appearance at all. Flesh molten and decolourised and literally falling off of his bones. Turning a person into anything like this (without them being dead immediately) would require a nuclear blast from a very specific distance and a great deal of chance.
1:32:40 the girl from the funeral was the Heir’s mother. The one who is said to be a”hostage” but went to visit her pregnant sister who is the daughter-in law of Toranaga. In the funeral scene the two women featured were both wives to the Taiko. The older one I’m assuming is the main wife and became a nun after her husbands death. She was the nun who talked to Toranaga telling him he should become the Shogun in order to protect the Heir.
What I find a bit humorous is the ethnocentric comments about this country’s values, mores, and hair styles (particularly when the guy in the middle is wearing a man-bun). 😂
27:25 Tadanobu Asano who plays Yabashige, was wasted in the Thor movies as Hogun. However i highly recommend "Mongol" in which he stars as Ghenghis Khan. Its interesting that you mentioned the Mongols boiled people alive and coincedently Yabashige did it too.
The chonmage (丁髷) is a type of traditional Japanese topknot haircut worn by men. It is most commonly associated with the Edo period (1603-1868) and samurai, and in recent times with sumo wrestlers. It was originally a method of using hair to hold a samurai kabuto helmet steady atop the head in battle, and became a status symbol among Japanese society. - Wikipedia
All these characters in Shogun are just IRL historical figures and events but they changed the names of everyone.... IRL, Toranaga's real name would be Ieyasu Tokugawa Taiko's name is Toyotomi Hideyoshi and most of the events in this show is loosely based on the IRL happenings including the 5 regents
I don't know if you're familiar with the 60s and 70s Welsh stage and film actor Richard Burton, but Cosmo Jarvis' voice is SO like Burton's incredible baritone many times it's eerie as hell.
Yabushigue character is a little bit of a curve ball in this story, but he actually brings more authenticity to this series in my opinion. We must understand that people in feudal Japan, much like Roman Empire, saw death on a daily basis, and as such, there is a tendency to "normalize" the loss of life and process (not necessarily mourn) differently than what we are used to nowadays. Yabushigue seems to have some degree sadistic mindset, but in a war raging state, they are barely noticed due to cruelty being the norm of society. They do not fear death, or pain, but rather it is a curiosity for them, and they enjoy watching others react just like he was enjoying watching his vassal having sex. It is sick but it reminds us that psycopathy existed for long time and even accepted in this place and time. Yabushige dialogue with Ishido is another brilliant display of Japanese culture of implicit meaning. When Ishido reminds how he saved Yabushigue in past battle we understand their relationship is that of a brothers in arms. Ishido then berates Toranaga in front of Yabushige saying he doesn't understand how he could follow Toranaga. What he actually means is that he wished Yabushige was his vassal and not Toranagas. Yabushigue responds telling him how his life is unimportant and how interesting would be for Ishido to keep John alive. What he actually means is, "I cannot say this, because it would be treason, but I am giving you a good idea, to show I trust you would repay me in some manner one day and I still look up to you with no intentions of dethroning you...". Truly western audience may have a hard time picking on that.
Toranaga is 10 steps ahead of everyone, from the start. The only part that was not in his plans was John. But, as soon as he arrived, the plan changed. Even telling the Priest about the secret bases was calculated - The assassin proved that john was telling the truth. Therefore making Toranaga's avenue to sow division in the council more achievable.
The second episode reminded me the game Total War: Shogun, and that's true that there was a small army called Ikko Ikki, the christian ashigaru- infantry was weak, but numerous and their elites used spears, the samurais kicked them off, to start the last campaign of the Sengoku period which appears in TW: Shogun 2
Zakk and Shane and joy ! so glad you’re reacting to this, if you guys enjoy Japanese culture so much, I highly recommend Tokyo Vice, it’s a true story about Japan’s first foreign crime reporter (a young American man, fresh out of college) going undercover to investigate the Yakuza. It stars Ken Watanabe and Ansel Elgort. Currently the number one show on HBO Max.
or someone who learnt japanese, this show would mind boggle you out. because there are certain words that you had never heard and be like whaat? and then you go searching for it's punctuation and method use and then you get mind boggled twice. hiroyuki sanada is hiroyuki sanada, he is not jackie chan. in fact in some ways, hiroyuki sanada is far more experienced in cinematography, storytelling and art of films than jackie chan. jackie chan was the artist of performance of action and comedy. he still is jackie and hiroyuki sanada different is like, one is an apple and other one is orange. you can't compare them.
1. Jesuit=Society Of Jesus, the Jesuit sect of the church and the Franciscan sect were somewhat at odds with each other, the priest in the prison is Franciscan. 2. The division of the world actually happened in real life. 3. Only Samurai have real names, everyone else is addressed by what they do/are, cook, chef, metal worker, pilot, translator, etc
Regarding the Buddhism that you mentioned. Buddhism, at its core, has a different belief system, similar to how iOS and Windows differ. There is no god in Buddhism, and Buddha never mentions them in his teachings, so it is not that Buddhism do not believe in God; but God simply does not exist in Buddhism. Buddhism believes in the circle of karma and reincarnation. Our lives are the result of past karma, whether from previous lives or this one we're living that we've caused. According to Buddha, life is suffering, and the source of our suffering is our attachment to the material world and our insatiable desire. Such strong attachments may cause us to reincarnate in order to untie the loose ends, but the more times you are born, the more knots are likely to be tied than untied. To break the cycle of karma, you must first liberate yourself from all attachments and desires. Once you've deprived yourself of all desires, you will stop yourself from creating karma, and no karma means no reincarnation, and no reincarnation = Nirvana (the ultimate happiness of never having to exist/born to suffer again).
1:07:45 Im 5 months later to the video but if I remember right, is because back then Japanese women didnt use underwear, so with the kimono so "open" they walked like that.
As to the haircut. It wasn't a choice. Priests had that haircut called a tonsure. Likewise the samurai haircut was required as an indication of their status
I hear Richard Burton’s voice, probably because I’m 73 and have more experience with it. The reason the women walk the way do is because their garments (entailing several layers), is quite restricting and forces the women to take small steps.
Blackthorn was concerned that he would get "the flux", which is an outdated term for dysentery, because it seems that he was used to bathing in potentially hazardous water. It didn’t occur to Blackthorne that the water he was offered to bathe in was obviously cleaner than what he was used to, but it proves an important cultural difference that helped drive the point home of how out-of-place he was in Japan. Blackthorne had likely lost people that he knew from the flux, which comes from a parasite called Entamoeba histolytica. For many people during the year 1600, getting the flux was considered a death sentence due to the lack of advancement in medical treatment.
At first I was a little critical of Blackthorne's uncanny eye color, because they definitely could have done better than that. But maybe it's actually clever: Maybe that's what blue eyes looked like to Japanese who had never seen them before.
Yeah, I agreed. Actually, we are also mixed race people and we do have blue eyes & green eyes in northern area (Tohoku area) still it’s very rare tho. Its probability is about 1/550 in northern area nowadays.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 No. Somehow, it seems a group of Caucasians migrated to the northern area of Japan far before Sengoku period and settled there with native people( mostly in Akita prefecture). A study group of Tokyo university had a survey around that area and they found some type of virus which can be found only among caucasians. However there’s no evidence of the migration, so it’s only a hypothesis, tho. Interestingly, there’s a tomb of Jesus Christ in Aomori prefecture (right underneath of Hokkaido), and a grave keeper clan’s family crest is a pentagram. We had 16,000 years of Jomon period and after Jomon, it’s only 3000 years past since then until now. So the migrations from Europe, Asia, Micronesia might be happened around 3000 years ago.
As a Scottish and of course British Protestant. What you guys are missing and yet it's in your face in this show is it's not about the individual differences of religion as such, it's about the Catholic church as a power structure. People say the Roman Empire died, it didn't, it just morphed into the Catholic Church. When Spain and Portugal took over lands they did so for the power of the Catholic church. Now Britain, when we created our Empire we allowed the local people to carry on with their religions and customs. Not saying we did things great btw, we did a lot of bad, but we also did a lot of good in allowing the local people to be free, unlike the Spanish and Portuguese. Look how shite South America is now compared to USA or Australia for example. When we created countries or invaded we gave them rule of law, legal systems and separation of church and state, when the Portuguese and Spanish took over places it was all done for the power of the Catholic church and they gave them nothing but religion, hence why Portuguese and Spanish countries or colonies are now utter shit holes
You sir are the only one that knows what he is talking about in this comment section 👏👏👏👏. The Spanish and Portuguese destroyed countless temples and build churches on top of them and as you said everything they took was in the name of God or the catholic church. They murdered and tortured thousands in the name of the catholic church, the times of the inquisition was insane. All of latin america as you say are now utter shit holes.
@@ChRisu_Ojisan No worries mate, I should have also put some spaces into my above to make it easier to read and to be fair, not every country in South America is a shit hole, lots of nice places, but none are what we would regard as 'modern' first world countries brother
If know about 666, try this on one of your family. Look afraid while inspecting their hair, separate some and say slowly 6.....6....7 and whew! in relief
The book is one of my absolute favorite epics ever, and I would be disappointed if the show did not include the love story between John and Mariko (that’s not a “spoiler”; the book has been out since 1975). Tropes are only annoying if they are done badly. This show is chocked full of complex characters and I’m excited to see how this adaptation of Clavell’s novel plays out. Looking forward to more of your reactions to it! 👍🏻
Doubt if youtube lets comments go, but anyhow, good show, and post talk. Grew up with Christian beliefs, still confused on some teachings. Remember told by clergy, nation will rise against nation, everyone has to take the number of beast 666, people will not be able to buy or sell without this number. Thought about this and have opinion. Ethnicity in each nation is so diverse now , how often trouble stirs up. Beast number on forehead or palm , written 2000 yrs ago, could forehead be the pin numbers we need to know and palm the cards ( credit bank etc) to buy things. Cash is always a topic to be rid of (germs cost) and covid gives a reason. Hi Joy ( pretty)
Asian women look like they are 18 until they look 80. Nothing in between. Its in the Genes... when i am out with my son, people assume i am his wife... 😊
1. This is a direct clone of Blind Wave. I had to check to make sure it wasn't a spin-off channel. 2. 1:21:58 - I think this sort of nonsense is called 'racism'
In this time period, shaving the head was for comfort against the heat or to stave off baldness. A fief is land gifted to you for you to control and tax by the Feudal lord = baron = Daimyo of that region. Tax and money where broken down by rice as payment. One koku = enough rice to feed a family for a year and Omi San was gifted 3000 koku. Also he could have been gifted in horses, kimonos , armor, weapons or men. There many differences in this telling and the book. The scene of the hand maiden as an assassin is more in truth as opposed to the ninja in the book. Ninja is invented by Hollywood movies. The correct term is shinobe which means spy. After Tokugawa became shogun (Toranaga) he hired from to villages near Nara Providence spys, the villagers are Koga and Iga and they became rivals. Look up the translation works of William Scott Wilson for more details. He is a friend of mine. The swordsmanship is accurate. I teach Iaido in Chattanooga under the name Tatsumaki Study Group and have a website explaining the style. Looking forward to episode three.
In a way you are right but also wrong. The shinobis or if you want to call them Ninjas were not dressed like we see them in movies today yes. Shinobis were spies that would be dressed as gardeners , cooks and even peasants during the day but if they were carrying an attack at night they did cover their faces. They not only assasinated people with swords but also poisoning. There are paintings of shinobis that are as old as the 1700s and they wore a mask just like the shinobis we know but their clothing was different.
@ChRisu_Ojisan ... right. Maybe it was mis read. But that is exactly what I was trying to convey. Want to see how they handle the raid in the third act.
@@ムスカ大佐-i7q... Ohayo gozarimasu. This needs to be translated so I can read it watashi wa Nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu, demo Matta jozujarimasen. Arigato Gozarimashite.
@@ムスカ大佐-i7q ah Shaving your hair is because it gets in the way of putting on your helmet. At the same time, it was to mean a full-fledged man - Arigato - had some technical difficulties with the translator.
LIVED JAPAN, 5 YRS, LATE 60'S .. MY DAD A MARINE IN THE PACIFIC .. THAT SED, THE CULTURE WAS SO FOREIGN TO ME .. & I WAS, & AM NOW 'BLONDE/BLUE/6'6"' THERE WAS NO HIDING! THE CULTURE WAS INTERESTING TO 'LEARN', THE PEOPLE SWEET & I WAS EATING SUSHI, IN SHINJUKU, WITHIN 4HRS OF LANDING, I WAS 19. A VERY ATTRACTIVE HISTORY/WAY OF BEING.
it's worth mentioning the Portugal and Spain are allies since the 14th century. However this series takes place in the year 1600. At this time, the whole Iberian Peninsula was under rule of the SPANISH crown, after the Portuguese King had died without successors. The closest relative was the Spanish Habsburg monarch. Portugal actually had some English help to split from Spain again I think around 1620, when the House of Bragança was established. The first act of the again independent country was to resume the alliance with England. Religion didn´t seem to be a problem in the case.
I'm 14 and consider myself to be a reincarnated samurai, I have bat like reactions and a sixth sense for danger. I just bought a sword to practice with then im going to yapan to challenge everyone. I walk around school in samurai clothes and people laugh but idc, I know the truth.
This version strays more from the book, than one that came out in 1980. This is way more darker, hateful, depressing, and anti-Catholic. All the humor is gone. All the moments of levity and hope. The original was so much better...and actually filmed in Japan. My wife is Japanese, we've both been all over Japan for decades...and they are actually pissed off.."we" keep stealing their stories, changing them, and then filming them in Canada. "If you not going to do right, why do it at all"" they ask. I agree.
i dont understand ishido's move. he must've suspect toranaga wants something with anjin, concerned enough to show up, even when toranaga placed anjin in prison. so, wouldn't it be easier for Ishido to sentence anjin to death to please two catholic lords then take out toranaga after? what use does anjin have for ishido? even if ishido plans to use anjin's weapons to counter balance the two christian lords, he has another lord he can ally himself with and he could've just simply seize these weapons after toranaga's death, since he has influence over lord of kanto (ichi the killer, forgot his name). why would he even care whether anjin is put to death or not? it doesn't change his political position, he needs christian lords on his side, not against him especially over this...stranger. even if ishido plans to use anjin's connection in the future, why would he asked lord of kanto to intercept the prisoner transport only to drop anjin back in toranaga's hand instead of bringing back to his place? shouldn't he have some kind of interest in anjin at least to figure out what toranaga wants with this foreigner? why would ishido risk losing alliance with two christian lords and make enemy out of the Portuguese over this anjin, when his original plan would not change whether anjin lives or dies? it's just too convenient. a plot hole perhaps?
When Ishido takes out Toranaga his head will be on the chopping block next. Anjin-san represents a way for Japan to break the Jesuit chokehold on trade with China. The Jesuits do not want Ishido in Power, they want one of the Christian Daimyo’s to take over. So for him the Anjin is an important piece, he can’t let him die but until Toranaga dies he can’t be seen to be support the Anjin which would risk making enemies of the Christian Daimyo’s.
I think it was a misdirection, and Ishido couldn't actually convince Yabushige to deal with Anjin, just tipped him off, and then he went to Toranaga instead.
yea that's why i find it strange. if I'm in Ishido's place, i would've just get Yabushige to bring anjin to me, stashed him somewhere safe and convince the catholic lords that it's likely Toranaga has rescued the anjin (no reason for them to believe otherwise) to speed up the vote for Toranaga. it seems they never needed any evidence of toranaga's treachery in the first place, they just needed to be convinced. but now that they know Toranaga took the anjin, what's stopping them from voting against toranaga for rescuing the prisoner marked for death? why the need for an assassin? or are they just gonna sit around and pretend like they don't know toranaga has the foreigner? lol i guess we'll just have to wait and see. i try not to read the book or watch the old show, don't want to spoil it. @@sirnikotin6108
@@NA-yb9sjIts likely that the other lords would suspect that Ishido is making his own power play by which would put him in their sights next. Notice that Ishido is the one who spearheads moves against Toranaga. So if he shows interest on the _gaijin_ who happens to be a political and religious enemy of the Jesuits who are allied to the two Christian lords... its not hard seeing ulterior motives. Ah, the joys of power sharing... gotta keep an eye on your fellow holders of power.
In the end, England did much worse in east Asia than the Portuguese ever would. Portugal never had the power to do anything except maintain trading forts in East Asia. The post by MyMemoriesofGoldRiceField got 92 likes, but it's one of the most historical innacurate pieces of garbage I have witnessed on RUclips Christian Missionaries' Actions: While Christian missionaries, including Jesuits like Francis Xavier, did arrive in Japan in the 16th century and sought to convert Japanese people to Christianity, the account of widespread and systematic destruction of temples and idols as described in the post is not supported by mainstream historical sources. The missionaries' approach was more focused on conversion through persuasion and the establishment of the Christian community. Destruction of Shrines and Temples: There were isolated incidents of Christian converts engaging in iconoclastic acts against Buddhist temples or Shinto shrines, but these were not widespread practices encouraged by all missionaries or documented to the extent described in the post. Moreover, Luis Frois, a Portuguese Jesuit missionary, wrote detailed accounts of his time in Japan, focusing on cultural observations rather than boasting of any systematic destruction of religious sites. Slavery and Sending Japanese to Europe: While there was a period during the 16th and early 17th centuries when some Japanese individuals ended up in Europe, often as part of diplomatic or trade missions, the claim that missionaries were sending large numbers of Japanese to Europe as slaves is historically inaccurate. The involvement of Europeans in the Asian slave trade did occur but was not a primary activity of Christian missionaries in Japan. Cultural and Religious Impact: Building of Christian Churches: Christian missionaries did establish churches and seminaries in Japan where they could, particularly in regions like Nagasaki. However, the claim that they built over 87 churches on the sites of destroyed temples and shrines is exaggerated and lacks historical evidence. Reaction to Christianity and Foreign Influence: The arrival of Europeans and the spread of Christianity did lead to tensions, partly due to religious differences and partly due to the political and economic implications of foreign presence. These tensions contributed to the policies of sakoku (closed country) under the Tokugawa shogunate in the 17th century. However, the portrayal of an unbroken cultural memory directly influencing contemporary Japanese attitudes towards foreigners and Christianity is an oversimplification.
Hiroyuki Sanada is not the Jackie Chan of Japan. Hiroyuki Sanada is an excellent character actor before he is an action star. His acting career began at the age of five, and he is an outstanding actor who has won several awards, including Best Actor at the Japan Academy Awards, the Japanese equivalent of the Oscars. In Shogun, he shows what a great actor and producer he is.
Hiroyuki Sanada is a black belt in Kyokushin Karate and is said to be good friends with Jackie Chan.
Hey buddy, yeah.
@@eatsmylifeYT i had to google that and holy S, he trained under Sonny Chiba.. wow
@@omaewamoshindeiru616 Yep. I knew way back he was a karate champion. I found out only recently that he was Sonny Chiba's student.
Thankyou so much❤from Japan❤
I'm just glad someone with some knowledge of world/asian history, even just a little, is reacting to the show. I think even a little context to history elevates this show to a bigger appreciation.
I really liked Ishido's plotting in this episode. I can see why hes the true threat amongst the Council Leaders because hes the only one besides Yoshii that isnt letting Religion get in the way of the bigger picture and him being the one behind John's Breakout by seeing this guy has some usefulness is a legitimately good move.
Meanwhile,Yoshi is seeing how religion is being used to Colonize the world and him seeing the "the bigger picture" with Japans place amongst the entire globe at this point is also an amazing scene.
I really love how they are showing how Religion is truly a sneakier way of Colonizing,its happening for legitimate Centuries and i like how this story doesnt hide their place in this conflict.
I’ve been waiting for a show like this for soooo long, loving it so far.
The fact that Hiroyuki Sanada is acting and producing is just crazy, this show is GoT level of good ( early seasons of course )
well, the seppuku system is actually for everyone.... UPPER and MIDDLE classes mainly, cause lower class civilians arent samurais.
While the rest of the world looks at Seppuku as a form of punishment, Japanese sees seppuku as an act of restoring honor.
aka if u make ANY FORM of mistakes, you commit seppuku as the form of an ultimate repentance in order to remain honorable. In a odd way, it is the equivalent of if someone in christianity had sin, we go confess the sin to a priest and we would be cleansed of that sin. Japanese has a similar system but with HONOR and they see sacrifice as the best payment for return in honor.
From the perspective of Japanese people living today, it is only natural that Japanese people in the past were nervously wary of Christian missionaries and their sects, and monitored their actions and words.
Because the missionaries who came to Japan from abroad incited more than 60,000 people to set fire to the ancient and beautiful shrines and temples of Japan and ordered the destruction of statues and altars in the buildings, leaving them in vast burnt ruins.
Just about the same time Anjin arrived in Japan, such incidents had occurred many times by Christian missionaries in Japan at that time.
Wooden statues and wooden altars were kicked down and smashed with farm tools and tools.
They were then disassembled and used as firewood in large quantities in the houses of Christian priests and in the seminaries built by the missionaries.
Metal statues, including bronze statues, were toppled from their original pedestals and altars just before they were destroyed, tied with ropes, dragged across the ground, and spat on.
They were also kicked and smashed to pieces.
The gold and silver used for decoration was stripped and sent to the missionaries' home countries in Europe to be reused to decorate European royal palaces and churches.
All of these incidents were directed by Christian missionaries toward the Japanese who had converted them to their congregation.
The Portuguese missionary Luis Frois proudly recounts the details of the incidents in his book titled "History of Japan.
In Japan there were indeed innumerable idols, and many splendid and magnificent temples and shrines. It was no easy task to destroy them all, so I preached to and persuaded the Japanese who had converted to Christianity many times.
I had never believed in Christianity until now," he said. What do I have to do to atone for my sins? The priest replied to the Japanese believer who asked, "What can I do to atone for my sins? He said, "We, as Christians, must do what is pleasing to God and in accordance with His will and as a way to atone for our sins while we did not believe in Christianity, and as a way to avoid going to hell after you die, burn the ancient temples, shrines, and idols of Japan. The Japanese congregation obeyed the priest's words and destroyed and set fire to numerous ancient Japanese temples and shrines.
On the sites of the numerous temples and shrines that the missionaries had their congregations burn and destroy, they built more than 87 Christian churches and seminaries to spread Christianity in Japan at an even faster pace and to change all of Japan according to the Christian way of life.
The fear of foreigners among the Japanese people at that time was at an all-time high due to the many incidents caused by these fanatical missionaries and the abnormal behavior of Japanese Christians who were inspired by them.
Moreover, there was more to the abnormal behavior of the missionaries.
They were sending large numbers of Japanese to Europe as slaves.
European merchants and sailors also cooperated in the slave trade led by these missionaries.
It is a natural reaction for Japanese people at that time to be wary of European countries and foreigners who came to Japan from there.
Also, even today, Japanese people are still uncomfortable with foreigners because they have inherited the memory of those days when Anjin came to Japan.
In Japan, people have been learning about history through manga since they were small children, and all Japanese know this fact long before history classes began in junior high and high schools.
They all remember how and why Japan was once closed off from the rest of the world.
That is why there are very few people in Japan today who convert to Christianity because they are attracted by the beauty of the hymns and decorations they often see in Christian churches, or by the tenets of the religion.
The number of Christians in Japan is still small.
There is no need for people to bring conflict into Japan across the sea.
Surveys in magazines, newspapers, and on the Internet have revealed that most Japanese want to maintain a society where people can live in peace and tranquility based on ancient Japanese customs.
The atomic bombing of Japan during World War II and the recent wars around the world in the international news are often caused by foreign religions and the worldviews held by people of high rank in those religions.
Therefore, there are many Japanese who say they are worried about getting involved with foreign countries across the sea more and more.
We are told that it was the same 170 years ago when American warships suddenly appeared in Tokyo Bay (then known as edo Bay) to break Japan's isolation and fired 100 blanks, as well as during the two world wars.
People overseas repeat the same thing all the time.
In Japan, when we imagine foreign countries, we have a strong image of such things.
This drama, Shogun, depicts the bewilderment of the Japanese ancestors living today at the moment they first met Europeans and learned of their European temperament.
You will witness in this drama how the Japanese people have been at the mercy of the various machinations and ambitions of the Europeans.
This is not the glorious story of European People.
It is the story of the beginning of the Japanese people's history of suffering.
徳川は外交に前向きだったらしい。
スペインとも国交を築こうとしていたがキリシタン弾圧で中止になった。
徳川が亡くなって息子の代で鎖国政策となり、按針は用無しとなった。
別の歴史を想像します。
"The atomic bombing of Japan during World War II and the recent wars around the world in the international news are often caused by foreign religions and the worldviews held by people of high rank in those religions."
lol, what? The atomic bombing of Japan was caused by foreign religions?
Well, I hope you know what the Japanese did in China at the time.
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We know, we know, how the four countries around Japan after World War II spread the contents of fantastical novels written by Chinese and Korean novelists as "stories that happened in real life" to all parts of the world.
And we know that people in China, South Korea, North Korea, and Russia say this.
Because people in neighboring countries often laugh at the TV news when they say this.
Japan is the farthest corner of the Far East, and the Japanese language has few speakers and users in other countries. The few learners of Japanese in other parts of the world are absorbed in anime and video games and are indifferent to Japanese history. Few Europeans or Americans can read Japanese books, especially about what was happening around Japan during World War I and World War II. The Japanese are so poor at English that they can hardly make their arguments without using Japanese. And we have been studying about the history of the witch trials and racism and realized that Europeans and Americans have strong assumptions. Let's take advantage of this. Let's induce other regions to lose Japan's allies so that we can continue to criticize Japan. We can't stop something so simple and interesting.
No one will believe what Japan says, but they will believe what we say.
Pity the poor Japanese with their poor English and small voices.
People in the US and Europe strongly believe in their ideals, not in the correct truth.
So, let us create their ideal of a "very bad Japan" and put it in front of the eyes of the Americans and Europeans.
If we stimulate their emotions, they will immediately believe in our production and criticize Japan.
They don't even bother to examine in detail whether we or Japan are telling the correct history.
They don't know Japanese, they don't read books or newspapers about Japan during the war.
Oh, how I love to see Japan isolated. The truth can be replaced by something else entirely if we say it loud enough. Oh, how I wish for the day when poor, pathetic Japan will be isolated from the rest of the world and disappear. May that day come soon. Poor, pathetic Japan that no one believes in! May Mt. Fuji explode now, and may Mt. Fuji erupt and all Japanese people die together. Or we will send Japanese men and boys to Siberia and all Japanese women and girls will be human brides of our country. And let them be obliged to bear our children. All Japanese women and girls will be ours, and all of Japan will be our land. All is well with our plan. We have ordered that all immigrants from other parts of the world be sent to Japan to increase the immigrant population. Whenever the Japanese objected, we had foreign newspapers and TV stations advertise to the world that the Japanese were racists.
And now Japan is doing just that. The experiment has succeeded. Now that the rest of the world has become indifferent to Japan, we will soon have all of Japan's land, economic power, and technological prowess. The Japanese people will soon disappear from the earth. The success of our plan is imminent."
If you are someone who understands Japanese, watch the Japanese news.
You will see how Japan's neighboring countries are repeating these statements against Japan.
Also, if you can read Japanese, you can understand how Japanese civilians were stabbed in the neck and head with bayonets and sewn to ceilings and walls by Chinese and Russian and Korean soldiers at the end of World War II without warning or warning, or how many Japanese women, children, and elderly people were thrown into the air and rolled miserably on the ground after being run over by tanks. I think you can understand.
If you can read Japanese, you can also understand how the U.S. burned over 500,000 Japanese, 66 cities, and 400,000 Japanese.
Please try to learn Japanese.
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Everyone in Japan knows why Japan decided to participate in World War II, what the Japanese were doing in China at that time, and what kind of conflicts were taking place in the Far East at that time.
Because Japanese junior high and high schools have history classes almost every day of the week. This makes many Japanese people think that the Japanese were in China at the time of the World War.
After all, the entire history of the world up to now, including World War II, is due to religion.
It was the English aristocrats and merchants, working at the behest of the Queen, who paralyzed almost all of China with drugs and made many Chinese people sick.
So why did they carry out such a plan against the Chinese?
It was because these English people believed in Christianity, which is concerned with the color of a person's skin and eyes, and they strongly believed that they had the right to rule over people with other skin colors.
Why did Russia try to expand its territory by sending a large army to the borders of China at that time when it was such a difficult time?
It was because Russia considered itself the legitimate heir of a Christian sect and strongly believed that it could become the savior of all mankind by controlling all the lands to save all mankind in the world like Christ did.
Why were Japanese civilians living quietly in two separate countries, Russia and China, killed in large numbers by the Chinese and Russians just before the start of World War II?
The Japanese, who proposed the total abolition of racial discrimination, which was then being actively practiced by the US and European countries in all parts of Asia, including China, and in Africa, were so disgusted by the US and European countries that they said, "The Yellow Peril of the Yellow Peril Theory is the Japanese. The Japanese are trying to steal wealth from us Americans and Europeans. We who believe in Christianity should rule the world. What the Japanese are proposing is unacceptable. Let's set it up that Japanese who leave Japan and live abroad are spies sent by Japan and should be eliminated. Also, let's blockade the seas around Japan so that we can't send our exports to Japan." and this was the result of some Russians and Chinese who were doing business with the U.S. and European countries attacking the U.S. and European citizens to make the Japanese look like the bad guys.
Also, both Chinese and Koreans said, "We are the center of the world and the Japanese and people in other parts of the world should follow us." and became tired and weak fighting against the Russians. What was the cause?
It is because people who think of themselves as the center of the world, like religions, repeatedly clashed with each other.
Instead of protecting the lives of the people, they repeatedly turned the people into soldiers and lost them in battles because of their religious beliefs.
Why did Japan voluntarily jump into such a mess with Russia, China, and Korea?
Because it was scary to see all the other countries thinking themselves as the center of the world and fighting each other again and again, looking like a religious believer who completely blindly believes in something.
Because I wanted to make the U.S. and Europe withdraw their claims and maritime blockade, which were based on Christian ideas such as the Yellow Peril theory and racism.
Then why did the U.S. drop the atomic bomb on Japan? Why were Japanese civilians killed by swords and tanks in large numbers by Chinese, Korean, and Russian soldiers who were returning to Japan from the continent right after the defeat?
Because the U.S. considered the Japanese to be the Yellow Peril and were angry with Japan for taking their colonies from them.
The Chinese, Koreans, and Russians were angry at Japan because they thought that the Japanese bullying them, who should be the center of the world, was unforgivable.
Because of these feelings, they have long believed and criticized Japan as evil, misinterpreting the fictional tragic events written in their imaginations by postwar novelists as what the Japanese military actually did in their homeland.
I think this is a kind of faith and religion.
They are guided and instigated by politicians instead of religious people, and blindly believe in a religion called patriotism.
So no one knows that Japan was making efforts in mainland China to improve the infant mortality rate and housing conditions by spreading modern medical care in China, or that Japan was making efforts to spread education and schools so that people could read and write.
Nor do they know that the Japanese military and Japanese doctors were cracking down on and collecting the drugs that the British distributed to all parts of China, and were trying to eliminate drugs from China.
The same is true of Korea.
They do not know how much money Japan was sending to both countries for reconstruction after the war, and they do not care how huge it was.
They believe in a religion called patriotism, so they think that Japan deserves to pay huge sums of money for hurting the country they love.
They think they are the greatest in the center of the world and have the right to freely spend and keep asking for money from Japan.
Therefore, the cause of World War II can be traced back to religion.
Economic friction, trade friction, and war are all based on religion, which discriminates people based on skin color and eye color, incites hatred, and always tries to establish a pecking order.
The desire to expand the territory of each, the strong patriotism, and the passion to be a hero in defense of one's homeland are little different from religious beliefs.
War begins the moment we, like religious believers, blindly believe in something and begin to think of ourselves as the center of the world.
That is why all the wars that have happened in the past and those that are happening now are caused by religion.
Everything is a religious war.
Essentially, it is a spiritually sound and correct choice to value national borders, cultural differences, and the lives of the people more than religion, and to maintain peace in each country independently, keeping a distant distance that cannot be easily crossed by sea, mountains, or prairies.
Why is it that on the continent, the imposition of beliefs and religions always heats up, intensifies, and leads to war?
It's because they force their way closer to each other, and that leads to conflict.
So why don't they just leave each other alone and not interfere with each other?
History has shown us that any large country, even if it tries to unite itself into a vast nation, will always end up divided one day.
How many times do you have to do the same thing over and over again before you get tired of it?
Religion really is a scary thing.
Many students in Japan who have studied history classes recognize that about every war in the world.
原爆を正当化すればいつか再び使用される。因果応報。
this show is top tier
So damn amazing
great first two episodes!! loved your intermission discussion between you 3 . Can't wait fot more. Also dropping some Nintendo history is always welcomed!!
The novel is excellent-I’ve read it 3 times (over the last 30 years) and this is the best adaptation yet. It’s astonishing.
I was a young boy when my dad would replay shogun on his vhs tapes. A classic back than
i remember watching that a long time ago, they didn't have subtitle for the japanese parts back then. don't remember the plot, and don't want to re-view it now so there's no spoiler. lol but I remember the translator lady being more pleasant and soft compared to this one. this one seems a bit fiery and condescending. then again...so is John Blackthorne. different flavor i guess.
Not gonna lie that Haiku was hard af.
23:10 it was common practice to trade “hostages” amongst other Daimyos and rivals to ensure peace between clans… this is why the real life version of Toranaga, Tokugawa, grew up amongst his family’s chief rival
Yeah, this practice of trade hostages has also been used very frequently during the conquest wars of Julius Caesar in Gallia. The Romans take hostages the sons and daughters of the important tribe bosses to prevent revolts against them.
EXCELLENT choice for new show. These two episodes set up an extremely special season of tv
Japanese "You, savage"
Englishman "You, savage"
ok
I absolutely loved that. It resumes so much of human history lmfao
I always enjoy reacting with my hubby and Zakk! Can’t wait to watch episode 3!
Can't wait!
"Flux" is dysentery as a sailor I assume they would not have access to clean water to bathe even in ports most times as the water could not be trusted. I assume its mostly a bathing culture difference. I mean when you live on an island with hotsprings due to volcanic activity you get spoiled by all the clean water available for batheing and the like.
In the book homie that got his head sliced off was due to not bowing appropriately, not for holding them up.
My favorite show of 2024 ❤
If you read the real history, these episodes were before the Shimabara rebellion and Sekingahara battle in real life.
The attempt on John Blackthornes life confirmed he was telling the truth. Plus he demonstrated that he was a Anjin a Pilot, and did not lie about his intent. This story is not that far removed historically, from the attempted invasion of England by the Spanish Armada in 1588. The Erasmus the first ship from a protestant nation arrived about the same date.
The name of the Portuguese and spain agreement is " tratado de Tordesilhas" and its really happened, that way Brasil speak Portuguese and the rest of the south América speak Spanish, the agreement ended after Portuguese and spain had the same king
The influence of that colonial rule is still alive and well.
Everybody keeps saying Tom Hardy but when i close my eyes, John sounds a lot like Russell Crowe in the Gladiator
visually though his sort of twitchiness is so tom hardy
Poor man's Tom
Rich man's Russell
His voice is 100% Richard Burton.
his voice sounds like Aragorn of Lord of the Rings, tbh.
I liked Richard Chamberlain and like very much the current actor. He is not diverting attention from other actors and is a great fit, even visually. He is a mesh of Tom Hardy and Russel Crowe. Besides he was the navigator of the ship, no warrior like Barbar Connan 😂
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You should not be taking the show as a historically accurate representation of Japanese history. While Shōgun is a very well-researched novel and grounded in reality, it is also very rich with certain clichés and quite over-dramatized. The violence and cruelty displayed here are far from realistic, both biologically (with regards to the sailor being boiled to death all night) and especially in how likely they were. That especially (boiling) was an extreme oddity in Japan with little to no historical evidence. Yes, the Samurai were generally allowed to kill anyone of a lower rank, but this was strongly reglemented and would have required a good explanation in a hearing with one's superiors. The Samurai were seen as textbook examples of what a Japanese citizen should be and causing harm to this ideal, let's say by demoralizing and traumatizing an entire village by slowly torturing people to death within hearing-range, would've been quite intolerable. The same goes for randomly chopping people's heads off. The boiling in particular, as it is shown here, is a work of (horror) fiction through and through and while it did happen in human history, it was either a matter of minutes rather than hours (if at all) or conducted quite differently. The best documented case is perhaps that or Richard Roose who died under Henry the 8th in England, not too long before the plot of Shōgun sets in. According to witness-reports, Roose died after a 2h timespan during which he was submerged in a boiling liquid 3 times for a couple seconds each. Still a hellish way to die, but you don't literally sit in a boiling liquid and live for much more than a minute (probably less). My general criticism of the (otherwise fantastic) Book is that an Englishman in the year 1600 would not have been so shocked by any of this. We're talking England under the Tudors. They put more people to death via capital punishment during their reign than the Japanese did during the entire 2nd millennium. Death by boiling included and, unlike the Japanese, they actually knew how to prolong the process. Shōgun's actual quality lies in its accurate depiction of societal norms and customs more so than in its dramatization and gore.
It’s more reflective of WW2 Japanese atrocities, but I think it’s a good way for the show to set the scene/show that it’s a brutal era in Japan.
@@cmg-s5d I think it goes into horrorfilm-territory for an otherwise completely unnecessary 5 minute sequence. Clavell's own time in captivity certainly reflects in this scene, as it was just as cruel in the book. It is quite a wild exaggeration though and doesn't really fit into Japan's history or culture. Not saying that sadists weren't around in feudal Japan but introducing a foreign reader to the US via the charming character of Ted Bundy would be seen as an odd choice, would it not?
Most importantly, death by boiling lasts seconds, counting from the moment the heat starts to cause tissue damage. It may be argued that they slowly raised the heat to prolong his suffering, but that does not reflect in the sailor's damaged appearance at all. Flesh molten and decolourised and literally falling off of his bones. Turning a person into anything like this (without them being dead immediately) would require a nuclear blast from a very specific distance and a great deal of chance.
1:32:40 the girl from the funeral was the Heir’s mother. The one who is said to be a”hostage” but went to visit her pregnant sister who is the daughter-in law of Toranaga. In the funeral scene the two women featured were both wives to the Taiko. The older one I’m assuming is the main wife and became a nun after her husbands death. She was the nun who talked to Toranaga telling him he should become the Shogun in order to protect the Heir.
Being an Asian, I've been on the receiving end of that Western condescension so many times. It's still very common even up to now.
'Being an Asian' is a racist thing to say, that's 2/3 of the worlds population. Maybe narrow it down a bit?
Don't hate each other, but say no to unfair treatment
What I find a bit humorous is the ethnocentric comments about this country’s values, mores, and hair styles (particularly when the guy in the middle is wearing a man-bun). 😂
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Asians do it to each other too. I’ve seen people of the same race do it to each other. It’s so common, it’s human.
27:25 Tadanobu Asano who plays Yabashige, was wasted in the Thor movies as Hogun. However i highly recommend "Mongol" in which he stars as Ghenghis Khan. Its interesting that you mentioned the Mongols boiled people alive and coincedently Yabashige did it too.
Also Raiden in the 2021 Mortal Kombat movie.
So there is a fact that Westerners enjoyed making Asians pickled in formalin.
So there is a fact that Westerners enjoyed making Asians pickled in formalin.
The chonmage (丁髷) is a type of traditional Japanese topknot haircut worn by men. It is most commonly associated with the Edo period (1603-1868) and samurai, and in recent times with sumo wrestlers. It was originally a method of using hair to hold a samurai kabuto helmet steady atop the head in battle, and became a status symbol among Japanese society.
- Wikipedia
Shane you should go for the topknot hairstyle . You have good hair so you can shave it, it'll grow back fast.
I've seen the original at lest 40 times since 1980.
Love to see the channel's going strong Shane.
All these characters in Shogun are just IRL historical figures and events but they changed the names of everyone....
IRL, Toranaga's real name would be Ieyasu Tokugawa
Taiko's name is Toyotomi Hideyoshi
and most of the events in this show is loosely based on the IRL happenings including the 5 regents
So basically it can be considered an alternate historical timeline.
日本が残酷で暗く描かれ過ぎて、かなりの違和感が有ります。戦国時代は戦乱に明け暮れた悲惨な時代でしたが、技術革新(国内での鉄砲や火薬の製造)や新しい文化(茶の湯等)の発展した、希望に満ちた時代でもありした。また、こんなに簡単に、理由もなく人が殺されることはありませんでした。
Lol
Omg Shogun was published in 1975 guys not the fifties
I dunno it’s just got the guys in funny hats.
biggest cause of death on long sea voyages was the flux (dysentry) ... that was why he was wary of strange unknown water
I don't know if you're familiar with the 60s and 70s Welsh stage and film actor Richard Burton, but Cosmo Jarvis' voice is SO like Burton's incredible baritone many times it's eerie as hell.
Yabushigue character is a little bit of a curve ball in this story, but he actually brings more authenticity to this series in my opinion.
We must understand that people in feudal Japan, much like Roman Empire, saw death on a daily basis, and as such, there is a tendency to "normalize" the loss of life and process (not necessarily mourn) differently than what we are used to nowadays.
Yabushigue seems to have some degree sadistic mindset, but in a war raging state, they are barely noticed due to cruelty being the norm of society. They do not fear death, or pain, but rather it is a curiosity for them, and they enjoy watching others react just like he was enjoying watching his vassal having sex. It is sick but it reminds us that psycopathy existed for long time and even accepted in this place and time.
Yabushige dialogue with Ishido is another brilliant display of Japanese culture of implicit meaning. When Ishido reminds how he saved Yabushigue in past battle we understand their relationship is that of a brothers in arms. Ishido then berates Toranaga in front of Yabushige saying he doesn't understand how he could follow Toranaga. What he actually means is that he wished Yabushige was his vassal and not Toranagas. Yabushigue responds telling him how his life is unimportant and how interesting would be for Ishido to keep John alive. What he actually means is, "I cannot say this, because it would be treason, but I am giving you a good idea, to show I trust you would repay me in some manner one day and I still look up to you with no intentions of dethroning you...". Truly western audience may have a hard time picking on that.
Toranaga is 10 steps ahead of everyone, from the start. The only part that was not in his plans was John. But, as soon as he arrived, the plan changed. Even telling the Priest about the secret bases was calculated - The assassin proved that john was telling the truth. Therefore making Toranaga's avenue to sow division in the council more achievable.
Finally cought up! My Gowd I love this show so far The Cast settings, Amazing First 2 Episodes looking forward to seeing how it pans out☯️🕯️🙏
The novel came out in the 70''s not the 50''s.
The second episode reminded me the game Total War: Shogun, and that's true that there was a small army called Ikko Ikki, the christian ashigaru- infantry was weak, but numerous and their elites used spears, the samurais kicked them off, to start the last campaign of the Sengoku period which appears in TW: Shogun 2
Zakk and Shane and joy ! so glad you’re reacting to this, if you guys enjoy Japanese culture so much, I highly recommend Tokyo Vice, it’s a true story about Japan’s first foreign crime reporter (a young American man, fresh out of college) going undercover to investigate the Yakuza. It stars Ken Watanabe and Ansel Elgort. Currently the number one show on HBO Max.
or someone who learnt japanese, this show would mind boggle you out. because there are certain words that you had never heard and be like whaat? and then you go searching for it's punctuation and method use and then you get mind boggled twice.
hiroyuki sanada is hiroyuki sanada, he is not jackie chan. in fact in some ways, hiroyuki sanada is far more experienced in cinematography, storytelling and art of films than jackie chan.
jackie chan was the artist of performance of action and comedy. he still is
jackie and hiroyuki sanada different is like, one is an apple and other one is orange. you can't compare them.
1. Jesuit=Society Of Jesus, the Jesuit sect of the church and the Franciscan sect were somewhat at odds with each other, the priest in the prison is Franciscan. 2. The division of the world actually happened in real life. 3. Only Samurai have real names, everyone else is addressed by what they do/are, cook, chef, metal worker, pilot, translator, etc
this show is super good so far!
Regarding the Buddhism that you mentioned. Buddhism, at its core, has a different belief system, similar to how iOS and Windows differ. There is no god in Buddhism, and Buddha never mentions them in his teachings, so it is not that Buddhism do not believe in God; but God simply does not exist in Buddhism. Buddhism believes in the circle of karma and reincarnation. Our lives are the result of past karma, whether from previous lives or this one we're living that we've caused. According to Buddha, life is suffering, and the source of our suffering is our attachment to the material world and our insatiable desire. Such strong attachments may cause us to reincarnate in order to untie the loose ends, but the more times you are born, the more knots are likely to be tied than untied. To break the cycle of karma, you must first liberate yourself from all attachments and desires. Once you've deprived yourself of all desires, you will stop yourself from creating karma, and no karma means no reincarnation, and no reincarnation = Nirvana (the ultimate happiness of never having to exist/born to suffer again).
its been awhile so thank you for sheading light on it. I can certainly get behind limiting ones attatchment to the material world.
The Flux is dysentery and ironically it is caused by uncleanliness and un sanitary water
Hey, ain't that the guy from Crew Blindwave?
It’s me
1:07:45 Im 5 months later to the video but if I remember right, is because back then Japanese women didnt use underwear, so with the kimono so "open" they walked like that.
Yes!!!! I will leave one for comment algorithm ☯️👊👍 Im starting to watch this show tonight 🙏 So I will return 😂
As to the haircut. It wasn't a choice. Priests had that haircut called a tonsure. Likewise the samurai haircut was required as an indication of their status
The guy in the middle should be on the left because he’s always talking to the guy on the right.
I’m not a fit centerpiece.
Thank You. Someone remembers Marco Polo on Netflix.
the best Marco Polo series was the one on regular tv in 1982.
Series like these show that how handicapped Americans are on the history beyond 1776/Philadelphia and a reason about a war....
lol, “handicapped.”
Ya, your country doesnt have a name lul.
Funny you mentioned Peaky Blinders, the actor who plays Blackthorne, featured in an episode
Her yawns are contagious.
I hear Richard Burton’s voice, probably because I’m 73 and have more experience with it.
The reason the women walk the way do is because their garments (entailing several layers), is quite restricting and forces the women to take small steps.
Blackthorn was concerned that he would get "the flux", which is an outdated term for dysentery, because it seems that he was used to bathing in potentially hazardous water. It didn’t occur to Blackthorne that the water he was offered to bathe in was obviously cleaner than what he was used to, but it proves an important cultural difference that helped drive the point home of how out-of-place he was in Japan. Blackthorne had likely lost people that he knew from the flux, which comes from a parasite called Entamoeba histolytica. For many people during the year 1600, getting the flux was considered a death sentence due to the lack of advancement in medical treatment.
An English man speaking of Spanish Arrogance is ironic but I guess he didn't know what his people would be doing a few centuries in the future.
that's right
england supported privateer
privateer attacked spanish ship
English is realy Pirates
At first I was a little critical of Blackthorne's uncanny eye color, because they definitely could have done better than that. But maybe it's actually clever: Maybe that's what blue eyes looked like to Japanese who had never seen them before.
Yeah, I agreed.
Actually, we are also mixed race people and we do have blue eyes & green eyes in northern area (Tohoku area) still it’s very rare tho. Its probability is about 1/550 in northern area nowadays.
@@ms.psoasmajor Is that from Ainu influence?
@@dudermcdudeface3674 No. Somehow, it seems a group of Caucasians migrated to the northern area of Japan far before Sengoku period and settled there with native people( mostly in Akita prefecture). A study group of Tokyo university had a survey around that area and they found some type of virus which can be found only among caucasians. However there’s no evidence of the migration, so it’s only a hypothesis, tho.
Interestingly, there’s a tomb of Jesus Christ in Aomori prefecture (right underneath of Hokkaido), and a grave keeper clan’s family crest is a pentagram.
We had 16,000 years of Jomon period and after Jomon, it’s only 3000 years past since then until now. So the migrations from Europe, Asia, Micronesia might be happened around 3000 years ago.
@@ms.psoasmajorFascinating. I suppose in that much time, people are bound to have moved around that were forgotten.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 Yes, I guess people back in 3000 years or more also traveled freely around a world.
Can you guys please react to Ninjago it’s one of my favorite tv shows, also I love your Tmnt 2012 series
The flux is dysentery
Not gonna lie the girl's reaction is so bad, kept yawning and scratching her head, while the others pay attention and write lol, kudos boys.
i agree, i don't know why she is still there, her reaction is most annoying reaction i have ever seen
A work that captures a moment from a long history.
As a Japanese person, I don't understand why people are being treated so kindly.
Woman at the funeral was one of the taiko's wives. The mother of the heir.
As a Scottish and of course British Protestant. What you guys are missing and yet it's in your face in this show is it's not about the individual differences of religion as such, it's about the Catholic church as a power structure. People say the Roman Empire died, it didn't, it just morphed into the Catholic Church. When Spain and Portugal took over lands they did so for the power of the Catholic church. Now Britain, when we created our Empire we allowed the local people to carry on with their religions and customs. Not saying we did things great btw, we did a lot of bad, but we also did a lot of good in allowing the local people to be free, unlike the Spanish and Portuguese. Look how shite South America is now compared to USA or Australia for example. When we created countries or invaded we gave them rule of law, legal systems and separation of church and state, when the Portuguese and Spanish took over places it was all done for the power of the Catholic church and they gave them nothing but religion, hence why Portuguese and Spanish countries or colonies are now utter shit holes
You sir are the only one that knows what he is talking about in this comment section 👏👏👏👏. The Spanish and Portuguese destroyed countless temples and build churches on top of them and as you said everything they took was in the name of God or the catholic church. They murdered and tortured thousands in the name of the catholic church, the times of the inquisition was insane. All of latin america as you say are now utter shit holes.
Here’s more or less the thing!
They deleted my message agreeing with you brother.
@@ChRisu_Ojisan No worries mate, I should have also put some spaces into my above to make it easier to read and to be fair, not every country in South America is a shit hole, lots of nice places, but none are what we would regard as 'modern' first world countries brother
@@overthewebb no you were not wrong, I grew up in Latin America.
You honor me with this reaction Shane-Sama
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19:27 The previous film in 1980 also had this scene. Is it an epoch-making scene that must be inserted? It is an unpleasant scene.
If know about 666, try this on one of your family. Look afraid while inspecting their hair, separate some and say slowly 6.....6....7 and whew! in relief
The book is one of my absolute favorite epics ever, and I would be disappointed if the show did not include the love story between John and Mariko (that’s not a “spoiler”; the book has been out since 1975). Tropes are only annoying if they are done badly. This show is chocked full of complex characters and I’m excited to see how this adaptation of Clavell’s novel plays out. Looking forward to more of your reactions to it! 👍🏻
Doubt if youtube lets comments go, but anyhow, good show, and post talk. Grew up with Christian beliefs, still confused on some teachings. Remember told by clergy, nation
will rise against nation, everyone has to take the number of beast 666, people will not be able to buy or sell without this number.
Thought about this and have opinion. Ethnicity in each nation is so diverse now , how often trouble stirs up. Beast number on forehead or palm , written 2000 yrs ago, could forehead be the pin numbers we need to know and palm the cards ( credit bank etc) to buy things. Cash is always a topic to be rid of (germs cost) and covid gives a reason.
Hi Joy ( pretty)
Asian women look like they are 18 until they look 80. Nothing in between. Its in the Genes... when i am out with my son, people assume i am his wife...
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I suggest seeing the Oscar nominated movie SILENCE, by Martin Scorcese, about missionaires in Japan.
1. This is a direct clone of Blind Wave. I had to check to make sure it wasn't a spin-off channel.
2. 1:21:58 - I think this sort of nonsense is called 'racism'
Calling Hiroyuki Sanada “Jackie Chan” of Japan is not it. It’s simply racist
lol yeah everything is now right
アジアを一括りとしたコメント。日本人には、スッと入ってくるドラマですが、何故そと国で人気が出たのが以外。小物一つひとつが本物思考であり、彼真田の本気度に引きずられました。良いお年を召し素敵な紳士におなりですね。
In this time period, shaving the head was for comfort against the heat or to stave off baldness. A fief is land gifted to you for you to control and tax by the Feudal lord = baron = Daimyo of that region. Tax and money where broken down by rice as payment. One koku = enough rice to feed a family for a year and Omi San was gifted 3000 koku. Also he could have been gifted in horses, kimonos , armor, weapons or men. There many differences in this telling and the book. The scene of the hand maiden as an assassin is more in truth as opposed to the ninja in the book. Ninja is invented by Hollywood movies. The correct term is shinobe which means spy. After Tokugawa became shogun (Toranaga) he hired from to villages near Nara Providence spys, the villagers are Koga and Iga and they became rivals. Look up the translation works of William Scott Wilson for more details. He is a friend of mine. The swordsmanship is accurate. I teach Iaido in Chattanooga under the name Tatsumaki Study Group and have a website explaining the style. Looking forward to episode three.
In a way you are right but also wrong. The shinobis or if you want to call them Ninjas were not dressed like we see them in movies today yes. Shinobis were spies that would be dressed as gardeners , cooks and even peasants during the day but if they were carrying an attack at night they did cover their faces. They not only assasinated people with swords but also poisoning. There are paintings of shinobis that are as old as the 1700s and they wore a mask just like the shinobis we know but their clothing was different.
@ChRisu_Ojisan ... right. Maybe it was mis read. But that is exactly what I was trying to convey. Want to see how they handle the raid in the third act.
髪の毛を剃るのは兜を被るときに邪魔になるからです。同時に、それは一人前の男性を意味することでした。
@@ムスカ大佐-i7q... Ohayo gozarimasu. This needs to be translated so I can read it watashi wa Nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu, demo Matta jozujarimasen. Arigato Gozarimashite.
@@ムスカ大佐-i7q ah Shaving your hair is because it gets in the way of putting on your helmet. At the same time, it was to mean a full-fledged man - Arigato - had some technical difficulties with the translator.
LIVED JAPAN, 5 YRS, LATE 60'S .. MY DAD A MARINE IN THE PACIFIC .. THAT SED, THE CULTURE WAS SO FOREIGN TO ME .. & I WAS, & AM NOW 'BLONDE/BLUE/6'6"' THERE WAS NO HIDING! THE CULTURE WAS INTERESTING TO 'LEARN', THE PEOPLE SWEET & I WAS EATING SUSHI, IN SHINJUKU, WITHIN 4HRS OF LANDING, I WAS 19. A VERY ATTRACTIVE HISTORY/WAY OF BEING.
Wh- Why are you yelling at me :(
@@drpepper2519 POOR YOU, BE YELLED WITH NO REASON !!!!!
Is the person in the middle the same person who streamed a reaction video of "BABYMETAL" a long time ago?
it's worth mentioning the Portugal and Spain are allies since the 14th century.
However this series takes place in the year 1600.
At this time, the whole Iberian Peninsula was under rule of the SPANISH crown, after the Portuguese King had died without successors. The closest relative was the Spanish Habsburg monarch.
Portugal actually had some English help to split from Spain again I think around 1620, when the House of Bragança was established. The first act of the again independent country was to resume the alliance with England.
Religion didn´t seem to be a problem in the case.
I'm 14 and consider myself to be a reincarnated samurai, I have bat like reactions and a sixth sense for danger. I just bought a sword to practice with then im going to yapan to challenge everyone. I walk around school in samurai clothes and people laugh but idc, I know the truth.
This version strays more from the book, than one that came out in 1980. This is way more darker, hateful, depressing, and anti-Catholic. All the humor is gone. All the moments of levity and hope. The original was so much better...and actually filmed in Japan.
My wife is Japanese, we've both been all over Japan for decades...and they are actually pissed off.."we" keep stealing their stories, changing them, and then filming them in Canada. "If you not going to do right, why do it at all"" they ask. I agree.
i dont understand ishido's move. he must've suspect toranaga wants something with anjin, concerned enough to show up, even when toranaga placed anjin in prison. so, wouldn't it be easier for Ishido to sentence anjin to death to please two catholic lords then take out toranaga after? what use does anjin have for ishido? even if ishido plans to use anjin's weapons to counter balance the two christian lords, he has another lord he can ally himself with and he could've just simply seize these weapons after toranaga's death, since he has influence over lord of kanto (ichi the killer, forgot his name). why would he even care whether anjin is put to death or not? it doesn't change his political position, he needs christian lords on his side, not against him especially over this...stranger.
even if ishido plans to use anjin's connection in the future, why would he asked lord of kanto to intercept the prisoner transport only to drop anjin back in toranaga's hand instead of bringing back to his place? shouldn't he have some kind of interest in anjin at least to figure out what toranaga wants with this foreigner? why would ishido risk losing alliance with two christian lords and make enemy out of the Portuguese over this anjin, when his original plan would not change whether anjin lives or dies?
it's just too convenient. a plot hole perhaps?
When Ishido takes out Toranaga his head will be on the chopping block next. Anjin-san represents a way for Japan to break the Jesuit chokehold on trade with China. The Jesuits do not want Ishido in Power, they want one of the Christian Daimyo’s to take over. So for him the Anjin is an important piece, he can’t let him die but until Toranaga dies he can’t be seen to be support the Anjin which would risk making enemies of the Christian Daimyo’s.
I think it was a misdirection, and Ishido couldn't actually convince Yabushige to deal with Anjin, just tipped him off, and then he went to Toranaga instead.
yea that's why i find it strange. if I'm in Ishido's place, i would've just get Yabushige to bring anjin to me, stashed him somewhere safe and convince the catholic lords that it's likely Toranaga has rescued the anjin (no reason for them to believe otherwise) to speed up the vote for Toranaga. it seems they never needed any evidence of toranaga's treachery in the first place, they just needed to be convinced.
but now that they know Toranaga took the anjin, what's stopping them from voting against toranaga for rescuing the prisoner marked for death? why the need for an assassin? or are they just gonna sit around and pretend like they don't know toranaga has the foreigner? lol i guess we'll just have to wait and see. i try not to read the book or watch the old show, don't want to spoil it. @@sirnikotin6108
yea i figured as much, they also hinted that in the show.@@plan_r4005
@@NA-yb9sjIts likely that the other lords would suspect that Ishido is making his own power play by which would put him in their sights next.
Notice that Ishido is the one who spearheads moves against Toranaga.
So if he shows interest on the _gaijin_ who happens to be a political and religious enemy of the Jesuits who are allied to the two Christian lords... its not hard seeing ulterior motives.
Ah, the joys of power sharing... gotta keep an eye on your fellow holders of power.
These old Japanese languages are very difficult for us modern Japanese.
Bloody flux is bleeding from the back pasage, can be cause by a bad intestinal infection.
In the end, England did much worse in east Asia than the Portuguese ever would. Portugal never had the power to do anything except maintain trading forts in East Asia.
The post by MyMemoriesofGoldRiceField got 92 likes, but it's one of the most historical innacurate pieces of garbage I have witnessed on RUclips
Christian Missionaries' Actions: While Christian missionaries, including Jesuits like Francis Xavier, did arrive in Japan in the 16th century and sought to convert Japanese people to Christianity, the account of widespread and systematic destruction of temples and idols as described in the post is not supported by mainstream historical sources. The missionaries' approach was more focused on conversion through persuasion and the establishment of the Christian community.
Destruction of Shrines and Temples: There were isolated incidents of Christian converts engaging in iconoclastic acts against Buddhist temples or Shinto shrines, but these were not widespread practices encouraged by all missionaries or documented to the extent described in the post. Moreover, Luis Frois, a Portuguese Jesuit missionary, wrote detailed accounts of his time in Japan, focusing on cultural observations rather than boasting of any systematic destruction of religious sites.
Slavery and Sending Japanese to Europe: While there was a period during the 16th and early 17th centuries when some Japanese individuals ended up in Europe, often as part of diplomatic or trade missions, the claim that missionaries were sending large numbers of Japanese to Europe as slaves is historically inaccurate. The involvement of Europeans in the Asian slave trade did occur but was not a primary activity of Christian missionaries in Japan.
Cultural and Religious Impact:
Building of Christian Churches: Christian missionaries did establish churches and seminaries in Japan where they could, particularly in regions like Nagasaki. However, the claim that they built over 87 churches on the sites of destroyed temples and shrines is exaggerated and lacks historical evidence.
Reaction to Christianity and Foreign Influence: The arrival of Europeans and the spread of Christianity did lead to tensions, partly due to religious differences and partly due to the political and economic implications of foreign presence. These tensions contributed to the policies of sakoku (closed country) under the Tokugawa shogunate in the 17th century. However, the portrayal of an unbroken cultural memory directly influencing contemporary Japanese attitudes towards foreigners and Christianity is an oversimplification.
Mongolians originally came from Japan. They were exiled
This is not a great adaption of the book. So much is missed out that is in the original series of 1980.
The subtitles go way too fast. I found a very frustrating, pausing and watching.
worst reaction I've seen yet to this series, won't be watching you any more.
Thanks for comment 💪🏽
No fake organisms here bub.
joy is really just an older version of her daughter haha