Just got a used ASW610 (10" variant) for $340. Not bad considering the sticker price is $900+tax. The space I put it in had only 12¾" of width clearance so it just barely fit! It sounds great for music! This video helped with my decision, thanks!
One note, if I’m not mistaken, is that the amp is rated at 200W *peak* power. It’s no bruiser (obviously). I bought two used on Accessories 4 Less for $399 each to augment the bass of my Forte IV, which i run full range in a 13 channel system (everything else is in wall and in ceiling). It does an awesome job. Surprisingly full and satisfying bass in my pretty large open concept living room. The bass has a lighter, clearer tone than the single SVS SB 2000 i replaced. This affords them the ability to be crossed over at 120hz for the surrounds and yet they blend seamlessly unlike the SVS (which is an amazing sub, but isn’t built to crossover that high). Perfect match for Klipsch high efficiency heritage speakers and for small/in ceiling speakers that only have bass to 100hz or so.
It uses an IcePower 200ASC module with an integrated switchmode power supply. It can hit just shy of 200 Watts into 4 Ohms, per AudioscienceReview's testing. Sadly it seems to not really be robust enough for the abuse you can subject it to with this sub, as the module has a high failure-rate. Luckily they are off-the-shelf parts, and the driver is very solidly built
The plate amp shows 40Watt usage at the cord. I would be curious to see an amperage clamp on the power cord to see if it is in fact using only .3 amps @ 120volts (40 watts).
Did I miss it or are you still going to do a video on the crossover upgrades of the JBL Studio 630? I can imagine the controversy a vid like that might start but I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on this subject.
I looked at these before my for 707 s2 B&w but when I tested them at richersounds I was disappointed. Bass quality was good but didn't go anywhere as low as the specs suggested when trying a movie trailer. What bothered me most was it was distorting when not even pushed to its limit. Maybe there was a fault with the sub but I let richersounds play with the settings since they're experts with audio
Hello! At the end of the day its still just a compact 8" driver so the law of physics still apply. Do you know if they had the EQ and bass extension settings set correctly on the subwoofer? By no means am I suggesting the ASW608 will be adequate for movie performance in a medium size or larger room. What I am saying is not everyone has room of a big bulky subwoofer and the ASW608 might be a good compromise for people who want to add a little bass to their system who otherwise wouldn't have the room for one. Considering its size I was really impressed with its performance and plan on keeping mine.
When the low pass filter switch is set to "out" it bypasses the subwoofer's internal crossover which also disables the use of the dial. When the switch is set to "in" then you will have use of the subwoofer's own crossover and dial. Hope this helps.
This is apparently known as a sound quality/audiophile subwoofer, but the size/price is not appealing. Are you planning on reviewing any of Dayton Audio's Classic Collection? Preferably the B65. Thanks for the videos.
For some the size is appealing. I know it is to me because I needed a small subwoofer to fit behind my theater chairs and the ASW608 is perfect for that. I agree the price is a bit steep and I talk about that in this video, but B&W has never been known for value. I'm working with Dayton right now, but they want to review my videos before I post them and that's a deal breaker for me so it may or may not happen.
Hi! Very nice video as always! It is really greate that you measure the drivers and give your impressions about the TS parameters. I found this very useful and informative! Just one question . Why do you said that the damping material tricks the driver like making it seems to be in a larger box? There are videos that makes measurements and comparison between same woofer with damping material and with no material and the result was that damping material does no improve the bass response. I think that the damping material only helps in reduce cabinet resonances. Best regards!
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. As for your question about the damping material that B&W is using which is also known as "polyfill". How Polyester fiber stuffing works, is that it slows down the sound waves inside the box, making the subwoofer perform as if the box were bigger. I haven even proven this on my own channel with some of my upgrade videos. You can read more about it here: www.tacomaworld.com/threads/how-polyfill-actually-works.19614/
These materials can indeed make a difference in perceived volume the driver sees. If you have access to a Dayton Audio DATS, you can test this out for yourself.
@@generationbehindhifi mhm, they can fail whatever they want, soldering smd ic's like that its not like that everyone can do easily like swapping out tht components like a transistor or something.
Thanks for the video. Helps to see the build quality. You’ve enjoyed the performance so it’s good to see the build is one of the reasons why. B&W is high priced unless it’s a soon to be discontinued model. I just ordered a RSL Speedwoofer 10E, a 10 inch cone sub, for $299 US. That’s value. Looking forward to checking out its’s performance in my 2-channel system. Rock on!
Thanks for the video. I have one of these. I use it for music only, somewhat of a reverberant room, so a sub can get boomy real quick. Being small and sealed makes it work well for me. And I have a mix of vintage receivers as well as newer AVRs so having the low and high-end inputs is important.
@@HomeTheatre101 Anyone other than an audiophile snob would consider the basket as part of the driver. but you go on buying overpriced garbage. Someone has to!
I cant imagine anyone arguing that inductance isn't a negative characteristic. An amplifier's instantaneous current capability, ... into a driver's inductance, those two elements determine driver speed.
I have 2 of these...they are fantastic musical subwoofers...not crazy power...but plenty running 2 in stereo....they dig DEEP....this is in a small studio in a 2.2 system with elac carina
i mean the amplifier is trashy, wont gonna sound as good as a class AB in bass clarity plus if your ic amplifier goes away, its over! Its not like some well built class D amplifier that is built for quality. Sub is ok, stamped steal i mean okay but it should be better amplifier as i said is trashy box is well, its not the best, the stuffing saves it somewhat but like if i want a subwoofer, it should play 10-15hz too.
That's a lot of ask from an 8" driver (10-15hz). I think most people who buy a sub of this size do so because they have a space limitation. At the end of the day the law of physics still apply, but I think its great for its size.
If you think that its for 40-50hz then your avarage bookshelf speaker can do that. whatever good this is built with double magnet, this a woofer if this cannot go under 20hz. A 8" Savard subwoofer in a box can do 10-15hz and its a subwoofer. That will shake your room.
Just got a used ASW610 (10" variant) for $340. Not bad considering the sticker price is $900+tax. The space I put it in had only 12¾" of width clearance so it just barely fit! It sounds great for music! This video helped with my decision, thanks!
Love these videos and the Ts parameters! That sub is something I will consider when looking for a compact subwoofer!
I own four of these. Local BB had them for $235/ea so it was a steal. Love them.
They have them for $235 again. I was just in best buy when I picked up my new TV and saw them on sale again! :)
I have this sub and it's great. I saw it last night at Best Buy for $239.
Cool! They are doing those deals again?! I got mine for $239 last year.
@@generationbehindhifi Same!
One note, if I’m not mistaken, is that the amp is rated at 200W *peak* power. It’s no bruiser (obviously).
I bought two used on Accessories 4 Less for $399 each to augment the bass of my Forte IV, which i run full range in a 13 channel system (everything else is in wall and in ceiling). It does an awesome job. Surprisingly full and satisfying bass in my pretty large open concept living room. The bass has a lighter, clearer tone than the single SVS SB 2000 i replaced. This affords them the ability to be crossed over at 120hz for the surrounds and yet they blend seamlessly unlike the SVS (which is an amazing sub, but isn’t built to crossover that high).
Perfect match for Klipsch high efficiency heritage speakers and for small/in ceiling speakers that only have bass to 100hz or so.
not much need for more than 200 watts, i run my 10" subwoofers with that. a 2x100w amp on two passive subwoofers with 10" subwoofer driver.
It uses an IcePower 200ASC module with an integrated switchmode power supply. It can hit just shy of 200 Watts into 4 Ohms, per AudioscienceReview's testing. Sadly it seems to not really be robust enough for the abuse you can subject it to with this sub, as the module has a high failure-rate. Luckily they are off-the-shelf parts, and the driver is very solidly built
The plate amp shows 40Watt usage at the cord. I would be curious to see an amperage clamp on the power cord to see if it is in fact using only .3 amps @ 120volts (40 watts).
Did I miss it or are you still going to do a video on the crossover upgrades of the JBL Studio 630? I can imagine the controversy a vid like that might start but I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on this subject.
I looked at these before my for 707 s2 B&w but when I tested them at richersounds I was disappointed. Bass quality was good but didn't go anywhere as low as the specs suggested when trying a movie trailer. What bothered me most was it was distorting when not even pushed to its limit. Maybe there was a fault with the sub but I let richersounds play with the settings since they're experts with audio
Hello! At the end of the day its still just a compact 8" driver so the law of physics still apply. Do you know if they had the EQ and bass extension settings set correctly on the subwoofer? By no means am I suggesting the ASW608 will be adequate for movie performance in a medium size or larger room. What I am saying is not everyone has room of a big bulky subwoofer and the ASW608 might be a good compromise for people who want to add a little bass to their system who otherwise wouldn't have the room for one. Considering its size I was really impressed with its performance and plan on keeping mine.
Low pass filter: What does In and Out setting mean? Did they mean On and Off? Sorry for the newbie question.
When the low pass filter switch is set to "out" it bypasses the subwoofer's internal crossover which also disables the use of the dial. When the switch is set to "in" then you will have use of the subwoofer's own crossover and dial. Hope this helps.
@@generationbehindhifi Yes, thank you! My unit arrives on Monday. Can't wait to integrate them with my KEF Q350s 🙂
This is apparently known as a sound quality/audiophile subwoofer, but the size/price is not appealing. Are you planning on reviewing any of Dayton Audio's Classic Collection? Preferably the B65. Thanks for the videos.
For some the size is appealing. I know it is to me because I needed a small subwoofer to fit behind my theater chairs and the ASW608 is perfect for that. I agree the price is a bit steep and I talk about that in this video, but B&W has never been known for value.
I'm working with Dayton right now, but they want to review my videos before I post them and that's a deal breaker for me so it may or may not happen.
I have 2...they dig into the teens....Plenty power very musical sub....price fits the quality.
They are quite good for the size with deep bass. But of course volume limited compared to big subs
I've listened to this sub it's a good sub don't know what you're on about
love the china stamp
Hi! Very nice video as always! It is really greate that you measure the drivers and give your impressions about the TS parameters. I found this very useful and informative! Just one question . Why do you said that the damping material tricks the driver like making it seems to be in a larger box? There are videos that makes measurements and comparison between same woofer with damping material and with no material and the result was that damping material does no improve the bass response. I think that the damping material only helps in reduce cabinet resonances. Best regards!
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. As for your question about the damping material that B&W is using which is also known as "polyfill". How Polyester fiber stuffing works, is that it slows down the sound waves inside the box, making the subwoofer perform as if the box were bigger. I haven even proven this on my own channel with some of my upgrade videos. You can read more about it here: www.tacomaworld.com/threads/how-polyfill-actually-works.19614/
These materials can indeed make a difference in perceived volume the driver sees. If you have access to a Dayton Audio DATS, you can test this out for yourself.
@@generationbehindhifi thank you for the link. It is very useful information!
@@pabloosvaldopenizzotto1098 No problem! The author of The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook talks about the benefits of polyfill in his book too.
@tokeboisen If I ever encounter a failed amp at some point, is replacing the amp a difficult DIY fix? Thank you for the info
no its not
I have never had to do this but there seems to be quite a few amplifier modules available in the event they do fail.
@@generationbehindhifi mhm, they can fail whatever they want, soldering smd ic's like that its not like that everyone can do easily like swapping out tht components like a transistor or something.
Thanks for the video. Helps to see the build quality. You’ve enjoyed the performance so it’s good to see the build is one of the reasons why. B&W is high priced unless it’s a soon to be discontinued model. I just ordered a RSL Speedwoofer 10E, a 10 inch cone sub, for $299 US. That’s value. Looking forward to checking out its’s performance in my 2-channel system. Rock on!
I have heard good things about the RSL 10E. Enjoy it!
Thanks for the video. I have one of these. I use it for music only, somewhat of a reverberant room, so a sub can get boomy real quick. Being small and sealed makes it work well for me. And I have a mix of vintage receivers as well as newer AVRs so having the low and high-end inputs is important.
Bonjour de la France, encore merci pour votre excellent travail.......
Thank you!
lol! IcePower amp in the back. Awesome video! Love it when more people crack open these retail products to let us see whats inside!
Love how B&W always goes the extra Mile on Driver design.
They didn’t. It’s a stamped steel basket.🤷🏻♂️
@@dawolyan13 I said driver design, not basket design.. ,😭🍿
@@HomeTheatre101 Anyone other than an audiophile snob would consider the basket as part of the driver. but you go on buying overpriced garbage. Someone has to!
@@dawolyan13 you’re the one that said the basket is part of the driver... I’m literally referring to the Cone materials if you really want specifics.
@@dawolyan13 And never said I was gonna buy it, need some Advil for your pain?
I cant imagine anyone arguing that inductance isn't a negative characteristic.
An amplifier's instantaneous current capability, ... into a driver's inductance, those two elements determine driver speed.
You have to remember that this is the internet and sometimes people argue over even the littlest of things. :)
@@generationbehindhifi
You're absolutely right ... and subwoofer mythology runs 𝘿𝙀𝙀𝙋.
@@FOH3663 I’d be more concerned in there was a lower inductance in a subwoofer
@@peterotremba8980
Care to elaborate?
Inductance control is vital to performance.
wow great
I have 2 of these...they are fantastic musical subwoofers...not crazy power...but plenty running 2 in stereo....they dig DEEP....this is in a small studio in a 2.2 system with elac carina
I love B&W. I had this subwoofer and it stopped working. Probably could have gotten it repaired. It’s overpriced. Sounded ok for a little unit.
Yeah, I have heard from some that the amplifiers have a short life expectancy. That sucks it happened to you!.
I got mine for free…
Insane value!😂
Can't beat that!!!
it is a cute little thing, but in my country it has doubled in price last 6 years.
Wow! Doubled?
@@generationbehindhifi
most other subwoofers did not double in price so sw608 is not worth it anymore, asw610 cost 10% more now......
@@sudd3660 That's insane. Here in America the cost has gone up by $100 from $499 to $599.
Yeah, wtf happened? Bought mine 10 years ago, paid like 350€ new. Today 650€!!
DAMPING material is for dampening resonance. It does not really make the speaker sound bigger in anyway. Just better.
A $30 speaker from china… 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If that is true, please provide the link. I would love to buy a few.
presque tout vient de chine.....
Looks like garbage. Get an RSL everyone!
How much did RSL pay you to say this? LOL!
get a proper subwoofer box, get a savard and get a good car amp with a good power supply and youre good!!
yeah. for the built, i would guess 200-300$ price range
@@hom2fu yeah its like arround that, worth no more
RSL is such a great value, looks nice and works well that you'd be stupid not to buy it. I ordered it to the Eu
i mean the amplifier is trashy, wont gonna sound as good as a class AB in bass clarity plus if your ic amplifier goes away, its over!
Its not like some well built class D amplifier that is built for quality.
Sub is ok, stamped steal i mean okay but it should be better
amplifier as i said is trashy
box is well, its not the best, the stuffing saves it somewhat but like if i want a subwoofer, it should play 10-15hz too.
That's a lot of ask from an 8" driver (10-15hz). I think most people who buy a sub of this size do so because they have a space limitation. At the end of the day the law of physics still apply, but I think its great for its size.
If you think that its for 40-50hz then your avarage bookshelf speaker can do that.
whatever good this is built with double magnet, this a woofer if this cannot go under 20hz. A 8" Savard subwoofer in a box can do 10-15hz and its a subwoofer. That will shake your room.