Which Forehand Grip Do They ACTUALLY Use? (Sinner and Djokovic Tennis Comparison)
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Which Forehand Grip Do They ACTUALLY Use (Sinner and Djokovic Tennis Comparison)
1. They both use semi western grips
2. They may be a little lower than other players, but their base knuckle is no doubt on 4
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Love it. Destroying trolls thru facts.
Thanks so much Tom!
Totally agreed, Ryan. I think what makes people think that both players use more extreme grip is because both turn their wrist or forearm (counter-clock wise) more at the back swing position. So the racket face is totally facing the back fence at the back swing position, making it looks like a more extreme grip. Same reason why people think Federer uses more extreme grip than Eastern. It's all from the forearm rotation effect, not the grip.
Thanks for making this video!
Happy to help!!!!
I've used eastern, western and for a very long time Hawaiian. Crazy spin and strong one-handed backhand. with Hawaiian. Now I'm semi-western and it feels the most versatile and intuitive.
That guy is lucky, he almost lost his house
Haha I was going to say something like that but decided to keep it classy. :)
@@2MinuteTennis you were definitely a gentleman in your reactions to his arrogant “you are crazy” statement.
@@Stu49583ha thanks.
Of course, both use a semi western grip. As does Nadal. However, how closed the racquet head is, is also a factor of grip size and overall hand position on the racquet, arm extension as well as wrist flexibility. In short, not all semi western grips are the same.
Yep you are correct.
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Great video but i think now djokovic uses in between semi western and full western. The video you used of him hitting the forehand is from a long time ago
Great video! Can you please do a similar video for the best double handed backhand grips? Maybe Djokovic, Zverev, Medvedev?
🎾🎾🎾Can you make the same clear explanation video for determining backhand grips? Thank you!
Thank you for the video. A slightly noob question, regarding the Hawaiian grip you mentioned. Would you please clarify what is the difference between this and the Continental grip, that we use for serve? It seems like they are same/similar given the symmetry of the racquet. When are these used? I know continental is recommended for serves/slices. First time hearing about hawaiian grip
The continental and Hawaiian grips are the same. Except the Hawaiian grip uses the other side of the racket. So grab your racket,hold a continental grip, flip the racket 180 degrees so the back of your hand is facing your opponent. That’s a Hawaiian grip. Yes, you heard me correctly. :)
Thank you for this. What I would like to know though is why do some people take their index finger off the racket when they’re hitting or serving. What benefit does it have?
Please revisit this Topic I would certainly like to know which grip Tsitsipas uses and Federer plus going back Jimmy Connors actual grip was always in debate some people said he used a full eastern but I sware seeing him play live many times years ago it almost looked like a semi western to me thx and keep up the great work on this channel
Ryan just taught us how to find out for ourselves. Find a video of the player you want to analyze. Scrub to a frame where the racquet is on edge and find out where the index knuckle is.
Hi!
Can be only heel ped on bevel no. 5?
Isn’t a grip that’s short of a full Western grip sort of the definition of a Semiwestern grip? Either you gotta create a new named grip or realize that splitting hairs when describing grips is sorta pointless. Hands have different proportions and the way players hold the racket grips aside from the rotational position can also be quite different, from having the fingers elongated along the grip to having the fingers perpendicular (hammer). How a grip looks and to a degree preforms also changes if the player holds the butt cap more in his palm. A Western grip is something you just automatically identify once you reach a certain level. Then you start warming up the slice.
As you have the ability to analyze grips from stills could you analyze two players from the past? 1) Conners forehand. I think it’s a eastern forehand grip with the wrist slightly flexed. I’ve heard it called continental but I think people say that because of the flatness that he hit the forehand. But I think that’s just the result of his swing path. 2) Lendl topspin backhand. I think it’s a continental grip with the wrist slightly flexed but I’ve heard it called a eastern grip.
Fritz is using Hawaiian grip. Am I correct?
How do Alcaraz and Zverev have a semi western grip when they have a straight arm forehand?
Show him Karen Khachanov's grip for comparison. He is pretty western.
Now HE has a grip between western and Hawaiian.
Yep. The western requires a very noticeable bend in the wrist. Here's Karen K. Slow it down and it's obvious. ruclips.net/user/shortsL17_FWzUxCI
best video yet?
Did he change his grip then? Just watched the fed documentary and he mentioned Djoko having quite an extreme forehand grip.
You said, in multiple videos, you have to point the strings down to the ground on the two handed backhand take back. I just watched Nick from intuitive tennis do a 2 handed backhand. Add no point is the strings facing down on the ground, so are you telling me that a former division one player is not using the right technique? Is that what you’re saying?
I’m going to answer your questions two different ways… 1. With a direct answer 2. With an analogy…
Direct answer…
The people who watch my videos aren’t D1 level players. Nick from Intuitive tennis could probably beat every single one of the players who watch my videos. I make my videos for low, med., and high level REC players. Also known as the 2.5 to 4.5 crowd. That’s who I make my videos for. That level player REALLY struggles to hit topspin without closing the racket face. Of course Nick from IT is able to pull off a topspin backhand without closing the face (as too can Agassi), but it requires very high level athleticism to pull off. Athleticism that my REC player viewers don’t have. So, I teach my viewers to close the face like Djokovic. It makes it so much easier for rec players to hit topspin.
Analogy…
When I watch videos on RUclips about how to rewire an outlet in my home, or install a ceiling fan, the electrician making the video ALWAYS says ‘you MUST turn off the electricity breaker to the outlet you’re working on or you can hurt yourself’. But, when I have an electrician come to my home to do work, they don’t ‘ALWAYS’ turn off the electricity breaker to the outlet they’re working on. Why? BECAUSE THEY’RE PROS. They don’t always need to follow the advice given to the general public. The RUclips electrician knows his audience ISN’T other electricians. But rather, people like me and he wants me to be safe and turn off the breaker since I’m not a professional electrician. In the same way, I know my audience isn t D1 college players, but rather rec players who are looking for advice on how to hit better shots.
Is Nick hitting his backhand wrong? No…
Would the vast majority of recreational players who watch my videos hit much better backhands if they closed the face prior to contact? Yes…
Now you know what I’m saying………
If you can find a video of Berasategui that would be cool to analyze, very weird grip, Hawaian maybe
Isn't it called extreme western? First time I ve heard the term hawaian
There's absolutely ZERO chance Sinner uses a Hawaiian Grip
I use semi-western grip for the forehand and I agree with you, Sinner's grip looks almost identical to mine
sinner uses semi, djokovic uses a strong sw grip, the bevel next to western. other djokovic clips shows this
Hey Ryan, what do you mean! Of course you can hit a low ball with a Hawaiian grip. Just twist round your wrist and use the opposite face of the racquet, as you've now got a Continental grip to dig out that low ball! 🤣🤣😂
Hahaha thanks Richard!
I use the same grip, this is western
Good video. Tennis grip is so important. You are right, Siner and Djokovic most definitely do not use western grip, but I am not sure they use full semi western too. Especially Sinner looks to have some western kind of eastern grip. I think much more players are using eastern grip then public think. In full western grip there are just few players, Sock, maybe Edmund, and maybe Kyrgios.
A helpful examination would have been to analyze in the same way someone who uses western or even Hawaiian. Sock?
This explanation was not helpful?
I have experimented with "throttling" my grip in different directions.. and tend to describe my grip at its best as "no grip".. always "loose" and changing to fit the need.. returns in particular.
Alternating between the spectrum of beyond eastern backhand for (one hand) backhand to something in the range of semi-western on forehands.
My sense is that just rallying with western or beyond feels about as comfortable as standing on my head. To see these extremes by good, consistent players would be more helpful... because seeing is believing, I guess.
The biggest mystery to me in tennis is how dynamic the grip needs to be constantly in play. Every shot essentially calls for a reset, but the vast majority of training speaks of the grip as basically constant.
I don't think so @2minutes tennis.
Djoko: hard semi W ~ 4.5 bevel
Sinner: close to full W ~ 4.8-5 bevel
Thats why Sinner has much more bending arm than Djoko. But not all the shots they use totally same bevel. Sometimes hard and sometimes tight.
Full W style always give better speed, take a look at Nick Kyrgios, he also hold full W and his speed was czary. Swiatek holds full W for years.
Djokovic moves his forehand grip. In this link of his forehand analysis, Novak is seen using a Western. There are no absolutes, and there shouldn't be. each shot is different and may require grip adjustment, especially by pros at this level of play. See ruclips.net/video/_m5Lmb84i6g/видео.html
None of the forehands in the video you shared were hit with a full western.
@@2MinuteTennis 2:55 and other video shots show he sometimes hits with a Western. If you read my comment, you would see I said "Djokovic moves his forehand grip... there are no absolutes"
@@jasonbannan4024 ok thanks for commenting
Anyone who is half decent at tennis knows they don’t use western grips…don’t need to waste time arguing with random idiots with 0 likes
That guy knows not much. No need to see the whole vid (I did though) to know it.
For a non connoisseur like him is better to know what´s NOT a semiwestern o 3/4 semiwestern Djokovic). Just gotta see Fritz and voilá!
His knuckle is on 4, not 6
Correct.