Pick the right fins for your "Small Wave Performance Boards" by Noel Salas Ep2
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In this episode I talk about picking the right fin template for your Small Wave Performance Surfboards. (SWPB)
I first define (SWPB) category that most of the major board brands are making.
I try to separate the SWPB category from the Groveler, Daily Driver and HPSB categories. Picking the right fin for what you want to achieve as a surfer in each board category can be easier just by identifying fin template, wave type, and your skill level.
We hope this episode helps you find what you are looking for in a set of fins for the way you want to surf on your Small Wave Performance Board. 
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This guy should be given an award for the insight that he is giving people. Thx Noel!!!
Carlos Rivera Cheers for the kind words!
Yes, thanks Noel
Thanks for the knowledge, I am learning so much about fins...pls do a review on fins for indo waves
Noel has been doing this for a while now and there's no question that there isn't any board/fin reviewer on the interweb, from any continent, that can break down how boards/fins function as well as the SC homeboy does.
Cheers for the kind words!!!
you don't even have to surf to appreciate the effort !!!! noel is the man #1 all time
Thanks Noel. I watch all your videos mate!
I love your videos. You've taught me so much about boards and fins.
Again awesome work. Makes sense I'm gonna get a black baron or a seaside but keeping it small rather than too much foam which I did last summer, which was great for catching waves but it ruined my surfing great advice man thinking 5 .8 seaside or black baron looks loads more fun but construction just pu and one dimensional rather than the seaside works in so much by the look. Test driving a seaside 5.8 next week 🤙
Great Content! Love this show ... most articulated board feed back I’ve heard
Bowlshaole And frenz Cheers
Thanks dude. And when i get back out there i ll let u know about the board i'm ordering. An assym seasidish thing. I have trouble making up my mind :)
Keep killing it bro, grats on the new camera or atleast it looks like you got a new camera. Great stuff. Fantastic surfing as usual. Your show keeps my stoke up when we have our dry spells in florida
Zenfire Trading Cheers!! Yup new Camera for my brother Aarron. Camera gear is like surfboards and fins for me. He loves photography!!!
Ripping in the intro and love the soundtrack :)
Amazing insight! Thank you very much. 🤙🏻
Thx great videos and info. Thx for all your on-insite and expertise.
dude you surf soo good!
Appreciate the clarity in how you've organized the knowledge. Ever look into fin cross section/foil? Supposedly dulling the leading edge reduces drag because the water isn't being forced to "decide" which side to take.. plus it's safer. Also how thicker foils are faster and hold better.. or maybe not. Then there's the lift and/or grab effects of curved or airplane-wing type foils. Gets complicated but maybe some fodder for future shows . Cheers !
David Gough Little by little on fin talk for now but I agree with going a bit deeper. Thanks for your thoughts and comments. Cheers
David, you may want to watch vimeo.com/169888589
For instance, in it Tyler recalls how pro surfers did not like the more efficient foil profile of the nexus fins (as proven by water tunnel testing) but preferred the traditional felling of the flat-sided side fins. They found out that it was just the rounded leading edge: just rounding the sharp leading edge of traditional flat inside foil fins make them not like a fin anymore.
Dude, so much respect for sharing this. My mind = blown. I finally have the answers to the questions that have been nagging my mind since i started surfing, thanks to you.
Hi there, love your reviews. Would be awesome if you could review the new FCS H4 on a range of boards, help us understand if it deserves the hype!
great info! thank you sir!
Man u make all those boards look good. Tough choice. The seaside seems like the most practical for the coming summer months but I really like how the wilko looks.
IzandEva Inmyheart Two completely different types of surfing... different lines too. Cheers
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Datz true. But I'm 200 pounds.....and getting hip surgery in a few weeks
Wish I could ride a wilko in the summer but I ll prob be a fish guy for a while
IzandEva Inmyheart Get better quickly bro!!
amazing video !!!!
Nice necktan grom :)
uuugggghhhh!! Too many choices!!!!
Noel, just an idea, you can take it or not if you want. Love your channel. think it’d add a bit more variety if you grabbed an old school / vintage board every now and then ( twin, tri, or single short board ) and tested It out and reviewed it. Could be real interesting and add something new instead of new surfboards. Just a thought. You can point out their flaws and attributes, what surfing gained from that particular board in the evolution of design ( say Vee, canted fins, whatever)…. A lot of those boards ride real darn good and they’re cool. It’d be interesting for sure.
Hi Noel I’m looking for a 2 + 1 twin fin set up for my rocket wide . What do you think would be the best option in futers out of the AMT twin honeycomb or AMT twin alpha (a bit cheaper)
Would either one be ok on the rocket wide ?
Thanks very much for all your great info
Brilliant as usual noel, thanks. My favorite pivot was TC Carbon Redline. Bastards stopped making them. I am using JJF Large and Pancho S Large and occasionally put a JJF medium in the center on small days for a little quicker pivot. Love your reviews dude, I am a Boat captain in the Mentawai's and get to tune my gear in like you at Lowers. You are spot on my friend. If you are ever in Bali or Ment's, hit me up :-)
Rodney Odgaard Cheers.. I will hit you up for sure.
I'd love a short vid on thruster vs Quad. Specifically, the very basic reasons why you might alternate on the same board when it has five boxes. My shaper wants me to add two boxes to the last board he made having watched me surf my local. What will the benefit be? Escape the lip, get down the line quicker with a bit more speed and hold after take off? And how does a quad affect your vertical turns so you know what to expect?
Great idea for a episode
Thanks Noel. I'd like to know if you've ever compared the cant angles of your Futures fins? I'm trying to find a brand with slightly more cant than Futures' standard 6.5 degrees; I think Captain Fin might use more, but I can't confirm. Can you tell if your Dane fins have more cant than your AM2's? Thanks again Noel!
A noel been watching your channel forever and absolutely love it I'm shopping for wetsuits would love a review on the Buell wetsuit saw you had one in that video with Nate. If anyone out there reads this and has owned a Buell wetsuit get back to me would greatly appreciate it🤙
vanlife 123s The Buell suit I have is pretty sick. It’s a 4/3 and pretty comfortable and warmth is pretty good for not having the smoothie on the chest and back. It’s not a Dawn Patrol suit when the offshore winds are blowing and its 40 degrees out side, but it’s warm enough in the mid morning or afternoon sessions. Cheers
@@surfnshowreviews7777 omg.. thank you for the quick response you guys just straight-up rule in every category. I've been surfing O'Neil suits forever and always try to make it on the memorial and Labor Day parking lot sales to get a deal. But even with waiting in the huge line you can end up with manufacturer errors or my size medium tall /large always being sold out. I was born and raised in Santa Cruz and know the whole story behind Buell wetsuits did the math and I could get their top-of-the-line suit and booties for 310 whereas if I walked into O'Neill's without any sales it would cost me 610 easily if not more. When in the shopping frenzy sometimes you forget the small stuff you just reminded me about the Smoothie blocking the offshore winds which are quite prevalent in Santa Cruz in the winter. If I could give you a thousand likes I would and tell Noel i love that footage of him and Nate and "Maybelline"is on my pre surf soundtrack🙇♂️🤙
OH thank you.. Noel? not sure if you're the one that answers these responses or not or someone else😁?
vanlife 123s I answer all the questions... “Noel”. The best suit I’ve worn so far is the Xcel Infiniti 4/3. Absolutely epic... extra warm, good flex, and not to heavy. Check it out
🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 Award
Hey Noel. Great video, as per usual. What is your opinion on mixing fin types? For example sticking Large Accelerators on the side, and a medium performer in the middle? Say on a groveler in 2-4 ft surf, as a large guy (6'4" 200).
Molge I like that idea... speed from your side fins and pivot from the middle fin.
I do this on my everyday hi performance shortboard with fcs2 AM fins on the sides, and a reactor center fin (more pivot than the performer and am2) but with all mediums.. board feels great and refreshingly different. never thought to use a smaller center fin for more slide in the tail, though. i really ought to play around with the fins more.
Amazing work again Noel can't thank you guys enough. Currentrly riding a 5'10 sampler, started with this board a couple years ago and loved it ever since. I have progressed a lot since when I first got the board. I am looking for a new groveler/daily driver (1-4ft) to pair with my fever. I have noticed the Sampler is getting too big for me and holding me back (5'10 x 31L) I am 6'1 x 174 lbs. Would a 5'8 rocketwide (30.3L) be a better option for me? Thanks in advance :)
Jonas Akyildiz The 5’8” Rocket Wide sounds good for you. Maybe go Spinetek if you don’t surf too much chop.
Super helpful and informative Noel, as usual! I would love to get your thoughts on fin size. I think it's presumed (maybe just by an uninformed me) that bigger waves/bigger person = larger fins but I think there is more to it than that. I switch between medium and large fins but I don't have to skill level (or consistent waves on the east coast) to ascertain the differences. In general I feel like I move faster with medium fins, even paddle easier. But I'm also a bigger guy (6'2", 190lbs) so should I be sticking with a large fin?
I think what you like about Medium fins is less drag in the water. So a medium fin feels loose and responsive due to less fin in the water. It has less overall fin area and the fin doesn’t go as deep into the water compared to a Large fin. So you can put your board where you want quicker. However a Large fin offers more resistance (pushback) so when you feel that stiffness you can push harder through turns and generate more speed. There is a fine line here…. Sometimes a Large fin can make a board feel too tight or stiff and make it hard to turn quickly and that’s why a Medium fin feels better.
With all this being said that’s why I designed my own fin templates. Check them out here… nothing like them.
surfnshow.com/products/surf-n-show-thruster-rakes
Thanks Noel for the reviews! Super helpful, and your input has helped me find both boards and fins that maximise my surfing. I live on the east cost of Aus, and we tend to get a lot of beach breaks, often with peaky sections followed by flat sections you need a lot of drive to get through. I have a neck beard 2 and plugged some al merrick large fins I use in my hpsb on better days but found they lacked drive in the flats or on smaller days. I was looking at the neo glass performers or the mick fanning neo carbon as options for more flex and speed, I’ve seen you enjoy both, any recommendation for the conditions I ride and in the neck beard? I’m 180 pounds intermediate plus
Nick Hewett NEO Performers will pivot and carve well but they might have too much flex and offer inconsistent turns. Maybe go MF NEO Carbon and if they feel tight put in the AM center fin to loosen it up and offer a little more release.
A better option is to put in the Al Merrick Twin plus Trailer on the NB2. Excellent speed, pivot, and drive. If you don’t have those then try whatever Twin + Trailer you do have.
Tried the MR twin and trailer, found that happy spot! Unreal drive with some release, held surprisingly well as the surf got a little bigger. Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve never ridden 2+1s before!
and what if tip area of raked fins causes the tip to twist more and making raked fins more pivotal ? thats what I get when fins are coming out of the same mold and differ just in tip area...
john doe Tip are does matter not sure about the twisting comment. However I do like a narrower tip for a bit more release.
Hey noel,
can you please do a review on the jr surfboards wraptor in tri-flex and pu. thanks
Luke Mitchell Not sure who JR Surfboards is..:
Can you post the link to EP1 for finding the right fins for a growler? Plus is there an EP3 for HPSB?
Another great review Noel. Do you have a preference in fins (Raked, Pivot or Neutral) when riding a daily driver board with small channels like the Peregrine. I'm riding a 5'8" swallow with channels (I'm 5'7").
Christian69James I like a Medium Neutral fin with channels. If I use large fins with channels I would go Pivot fin.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks, I just recently switched from the AM RTM tech 1 large because it was feeling sticky...been riding the old TP1 fins which are large but more upright and they felt good but hard to judge fins when the waves are crap lol. My other option is the JJF mediums which I have but they seem to lack drive. Weird because I'm 160 lbs.
What do you think of fins with solid fiberglass fin construction? For example, the EA control series.
Dylan Demos excellent... just a bit stiff. The offer consistency and predictability but no pop or projection in your turns.
I'm running R6 legacies in my Proformance Driver and love it in good 4-8ft waves so I'm trying to get a step down fin for weaker/smaller conditions. Think I should go with the HS2, F8 Alphas or P8 honeycombs?
F8 Alphas
Thanks Noel for your videos, so interesting all, I'm learning a lot. I have a question I hope u can answer me. Im about to buy a second hand average Joe in 5.3. I'm 141lb. I heard that the Joe work better in quad fins. I don't have any quad fins now so I'm looking to buy a pair or rear twins to convert my thruster AL merrick fins into a quad set. My AM fins are M size. Should I buy a S rear or a M. I'm 141 lb. Thank you very much
Get S rears
Petty nice !!!!
Hey Noel, how does the future Hayden thruster set compare to the new future pivot fin in the same size? I wanna know which is more upright and pivots better. Thanks brother
Brandon Lane I really like the new P8 in Honeycomb. It pivots quick and has a flat foil. Hard to say which one pivots faster but the P8 is more consistent in my turns because it’s stiffer.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks brother. I think i'll give the p8 a go next.
At 5'9' 150 lbs what do you think about the pyzel 5 fins in medium to go with my Pyzalien 2 when it arrives?
Richard Thiele Absolutely
Hey Noel all this was assuming the board is used as a thruster and not a quad right?
LORENZO ROMAGOSA Correct... Thruster set up
Have you reviewed the sci fi?
Miguel Marquina It’s coming up next!!!
Ripping Noel. Any word on a Slater FRK review?
WorthyBear97 I just got one two nights ago. We have waves in the window too!!’ Hang tight
Hey Noel , I ride a pyzel phantom in small mushy Santa Barbara surf and I feel like I am not getting much pivot out of my fins, which fins would you recommend in futures?
Jake In small mushy surf I like the HS1 Generation.
Surf n Show Reviews thanks!
What do you think about the fcs quad keel MB find paired with the lost puddle fish?
ModestReaction I would give it a try... I don’t surf a lot of Keel fins but they should be fast.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 many thanks would love to see you test those out!
Hey Noel, bit late to this video but what would you or anyway recommended fins wise for a 5'11 Blak box 3 with FCS 2 fin box surfing mainly 1-4 foot
sammy I did the review on the BB3... check it out. I like the Large Rectors for that board in 1-4’ surf
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel!!
What about convex inside fins opposed to flat inside fins? Surf n Show Reviews ?
Absolutely
I ride the Rocketwide for my SWPB and I live in Hawaii.
I'm looking for the absolute most neutral FCS2 fin possible (thruster set-up).
I like drive, carving, and control, and I also like loose, a tight radius, and a sliding feeling. I especially like riding a board in the way the shaper intended (if I make an error in my purchase, I might adjust from there).
I have the FCS2 “balanced” fin, but my problem is that I’m exactly on the line when it comes to size.
The medium fin has a median recommended weight of 160. The large fin has a median recommended weight of 180. I weigh 170.
My question is, “is there a medium/large FCS2 balanced fin of some sort”?
Thanks for your help!
You will freak on my fins… they have a large fin base for maximum drive with medium fin depth to keep your board loose and fast. Check them out here….
www.shopsurfnshow.com/collections/fins
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Oh, that's funny - I couldn't have scripted a better question seeking the exact description of your fins. I'm definitely going to order and try them. I admire your dedication.
Noel, quick question. If I rolled up on my Rocket Wide my and it was unexpectedly overhead and pumping, what fins (thruster set up) would I use for the most control in that situation? Medium vs Large? Raked vs upright? Medium front fins and large back fin? Thanks for your time.
@@todmarcus1954 My Momentum Raked template would be best. In FCSII I say Medium Mick Fanning.
Noel any thoughts on the FRK?
jmlee84 I just got the 5’8”... feels good under my arm. Have not tried it yet though. I have 5’9” coming too. Stay tuned
Hey Noel, I ordered a 5'9 small wave performance board for the summer. I am thinking about maybe getting the Futures Vapor Cores in P8 or F8. I wanted to know what you think of the Vapor Core Fins?
The VC fins are good. If you are surfing quick Beachies and you want quick pivot go P8
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel! Appreciate the response.
epic
Hey Noel I was wanting to get something like the futures p8 but my I ride a sci fi with fcs 2 plugs I was wondering what you’d recommend. Maybe a large Performer ?
Ruben Vicente Large Reactors
Surf n Show Reviews thanks so much !
Surf n Show Reviews thanks so much !
Bought large reactors for my sci-fi been working great, what an difference the drive I have on smaller surf . What fin would you recommend for bigger, punchy surf I'm 160lbs?
You will love my MS-Raked template fins. Check them out here…
www.shopsurfnshow.com/collections/fins/products/surf-n-show-thruster-rakes
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Sorry I didn't specify but I'm running the FCS 2 fins ?
@@NCsurfer607 You can go Medium Mick Fins too
Futures Controllers are recommended for Lost Hydras…but they are reccommended for lighter surfers…so large tech flex futures?
Not a fan of the Controller’s. I recommend the Pyzel 5 fin set
Hi Noel would you fit the lost sub driver in this category? I’m struggling to find the right fins for it
Luiz Lemes It has a bit more performance compared to the RW. What fins have you tried and what type of waves?
Surf n Show Reviews I’m current using a set of fcs performer medium in 2 to 4ft surf in bigger condition a don’t feel much drive im thinking about the am air core in size large btw I’m 5’10, 175 pounds the board is a 5’10 bro dims 28.5 lts
Luiz Lemes AM Large Air Core sounds good. 28.5 liters sounds good for upper end intermediate/advanced surfer.
Surf n Show Reviews thanks for the advice ! Your show is the best
Hey Noel
First of all, thank you for your videos, keep up the great work!
I recently bought a lost driver 2.0 (6.1', 30.15L) and it felt good on some waves (3-6ft). I used my every-day fins (Shapers AM1 carbon stealth, riding Nr. approx. 5.5), but in some sections i felt too stiff. I usually ride my boards smaller and with less liters (5.11', 29L), but i bought the driver 2.0 for smaller summer days, so i don't lose performance. I weigh 166 lbs and i'm 6.3'. So what do you think, if i try the Legacy P8, to make the board looser? Or do you have other fins in mind?
Cheers
Kevin
The P8’s will go good but I think you will freak on my Pivot Twins. Nothing out there like my fins. Check them out here…
surfnshow.com/products/momentum-series-ms-p-thruster-pivot-template
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks for your quick response, i'm right on it!
But you also think that the board (volume/height) is good for me?
@@kevinvizner6148 Yes, the Volume and length of the D2.0 sounds good for your height n weight
@@surfnshowreviews7777Perfect thanks! Do you ship worldwide? because i can't find Switzerland in the list
@@kevinvizner6148 Sorry we don’t ship to European countries due to the new VAT tax laws
Noel what do you think about Futures Thermotech fins? I could get my hands on a single set of Honeycombs (AM1s), or two different templates of Thermotechs (AM1s and F6s)
JorgeAndresCoppiano. I have no thoughts at this point. Sorry I have not tried them yet. I hear good things about them though. Can’t go wrong with the AM templates and I like the F6 template too.
Surf n Show Reviews wrote Futures and told me the flex is similar to Alphas. But less spring back. Idk is as flexy as Blacksticks
JorgeAndresCoppiano. Blackstix has more flex and spring back compared to Alpha from my experience.
Surf n Show Reviews, just got through my email and just like you said, Cole from Futures said they flex between the Speed Generation series and the Honeycombs. And also with less “spring back” than both the Honeycomb and Gen Series
JorgeAndresCoppiano. Yewww! Good to hear the Folks at Futures are on it with their feedback and comments. Priceless info to make a good decision!!! Cheers
How bout hypto kypto? Isn’t good at small wave? Thankyou so much!
Andras Wu Yes... just older model. It looks sick to me
Surf n Show Reviews
Thanks for that!
If there have 3 surfboard Im looking for:
5’8 Omin,
5’6 hypto krypto (older one)
5’9 Simon’s Nomad,
which one would u recommend for 3-6ft beach break in intermedia skill? Thank you so much!!
Andras Wu Cymatic... I wouldn’t choose any of the 3 boards your looking at. Cymatic blows doors on the Omni. I haven’t ridden the other two models.... so no opinion.
Noel! So then the RW and the Sampler are both Small Wave Performance Boards right? Also, have you tried out Dane’s Captain Fins? They’re honeycomb like you like them.
JorgeAndresCoppiano. Yes love Dane’s fins. Yes, Sampler and RW are small wave performance short boards
Hey champ
I heard that firewire have sci fi 2.0
Pleaseeee review this board.
surfer Sci-Fi review drops next Monday on March 16th... stay tuned. It’s a secret..... ha
@@surfnshowreviews7777 yesssss.u r the best
Nb2 look best in small wavs when you surf..whay js bb2 never reviewed?
X -MAN X MAN I asked for it but the folks at JS never sent it. Looks sick though.
Never mind.tnx
dogzballz They said they are sending the Black Baron and BB3
@@surfnshowreviews7777 great.bb3 and the new "umber driver xl" lost.soo intrensting boards.good luck champ
Noel , where is the sci-fi review buddyyy ... come on is taking ages 😢🤣🤣🤣
Caetano Monday!! Hang tight
Where is the episode 3" daily driver" .. I surf beach break .. fat waves. With a 5'6 short board. Should I choose a "Large pivot" fin?
Yes... Large pivot fin
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks!!! And I have a 5'9 3dv by Dhd for bigger days.. would you recommend a AM1 or AM2.. or still a Large pivot fin?
@@caiomiranda3481 How much do you weigh?
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I am 162 lbs and 5'8
@@caiomiranda3481 I suggest my MS-Raked Template fins. Check them out here.... it’s exactly what your looking for. www.shopsurfnshow.com/collections/fins/products/surf-n-show-thruster-rakes
Salas surfa muito
You are a fin Guru Noel, please help me out, 6 foot, 190 pounds, looking for a pivot fin from futures, 2 to 4 foot surf.5'10 rusty dwart quad. Please help me thank you
House Phone I like the new Pyzel 5 fin set up for pivot. His new Quad rears in this set are the best I’ve tested to date.
Gracias mi amigo! :-)
why do you don’t ride with the reactor fin this is very vertical fin
כפיר ברדה Yes... I love the Reactors from FCSII
Surf n Show Reviews please on your next review show yourself ride on the reactor as as a Thrusters
Looks all the same to me.
Man you rip!
Mark Smith Cheers!!!
you clearly lack volume in your boards @surf n show reviews