Yamaha DGX-670 vs Roland FP-30X | Which has the BEST features?
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2022
- In today's world we're often comparing brands and prices. Today we look at the DGX-670 from Yamaha and the FP-30x from Roland. Two amazing manufacturers and two great price points but really the differences lie in the feature set. We have amazing digital and acoustic piano options at Alamo Music Center. Come by to test out in person and we'll help find the best instrument for you or a loved one!
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I played with all the keyboards at guitar center, pro level and mid level but I keep coming back to the DGX-670. The sounds on it are Amazing!!! When I heard the orchestral brass and string sounds, I was blown away. This keyboard is punching way above it's weight class.
I'm watching quite a few of these videos in preparation for buying my 1st keyboard. I'm not sure how valid it is for any retailer of these to do an honest comparison. You would both as individual, experienced players obviously have a preference for 1 or the other, yet you can never say so for fear of pissing off your suppliers. You also mention some things on one brand that you don't on the other. Something like a standard comparison chart put up on the screen for each comparison would take care of that. Still, thanks for taking the time to make these videos, even though it's basically just part of your jobs.
I bought the Dgx just 3 days ago! And OMG! What a sound! Compared to FP-30X other than the action i felt the Dgx gives me much more! I am enjoying it totally!😃❤️
The GHS action is a perfectly competitive action, despite the popular myth it is not a good action. The PHA-4 action is just another plastic action not better in any objective manner than the GHS. I have owned the DGX-660 and now the DGX-670, and I also have owned the Roland FP50 and the RP140R, which both had that PHA-4 action. Nothing special about it, in fact, it feels like an old unregulated acoustic piano action. The sound engine of the DGX-670, its modeling capabilities, the DSP effects, the 5-band parametric equalizer, the large color screen, the 16-track sequencer, the USB audio interface, the over 600 sounds and over 200 professional accompaniment styles with 4 variations, 3 intros and 3 endings (through the menu), 256 notes polyphony, and all of that for just $850 (when I got mine, it was only $799).
@@Instrumental-Covers I got it for 1050 Dollars in India. But still no one is close to it!❤️
I am using it now and the action is really good i feel personally .
So loving it!
@@Instrumental-Covers I do think the keys feel better and it has escapement. Is it better than the GHS action? It has escapement. They're both usable actions.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Escapement simulation by itself does not make a particular action better than one that doesn't have it. For example, C. Bechstein and Casio, during their collaborative work with the GP series action, decided to leave the escapement mechanism out. I assume that if a reputable acoustic piano manufacturer such as C. Bechstein is proud to present to the world an action where they directly had input on, and the action still doesn't have escapement (apparently for faster repetition), then this suggests that escapement is not at the top of the list in their priorities. Roland gives you "escapement" in a $900 keyboard, whereas Kawai (who is obsessed with actions) doesn't give you that feature in their $1,300 ES520 digital piano (their second action without escapement)... it seems to me that Kawai, like C. Bechstein, considers the feature not a top priority. After all, escapement is a consequence of the way a real grand piano action works, whereas in digital pianos it is an "imitation feel" of the click. My point is that I would not be so fast to say "PHA-4 is better than GHS because it has escapement".
There is another issue to take into account: real pianos don't have just "actions", they always have action + sound. You cannot separate them at all, unless you decide to play a real piano without strings and soundboard and just focus on the action. There is a video where the presenter of another popular digital piano channel discussed the volume level of the Kawai NV10. He said that he recommended a certain volume level to be used, for the action to feel proper. Too low volume causes that action to feel heavier, despite it never changes its weight. People talk about actions in abstract, which I think is wrong. What about the sound is supposed to trigger to be realistic representation of playing a real acoustic piano? Is Roland exhibiting a proper relationship between their action and their sound? And this goes beyond the sound quality itself. Maybe Yamaha and Kawai have managed to integrate these two aspects of the piano better than Roland, even if some of their models don't have escapement.
12 Watts is not twice the power of 6 Watts. 60 Watts is. Great Video Gents! Just bought the DGX-670 and love it.
Have you passed elementary school math
@@leschatsmusicaleDon’t confuse electrical power with acoustic loudness. 12 Watts is of course double the power of 6 Watts, but it doesn’t double the loudness. It takes 10 times the electrical power to double the perceived loudness.
@@leschatsmusicaleDon’t confuse electrical power with acoustic loudness. 12 Watts is of course double the power of 6 Watts, but it doesn’t double the loudness. It takes 10 times the electrical power to double the perceived loudness.
@@leschatsmusicale No you didn't.
I wanted to learn how to play piano, so I ordered the FP-30X after looking at many different reviews. Piano, in my opinion, is the king of the musical instruments. Only after learning a lot about how to play piano, I would then venture out to other keyboards with different voices and synthesizers.
I have been playing the 660 doing a one man show for over thee years now.. I would be hard pressed to trade it for the Roland . Just love it and all it’s capabilities… Howard
i bought an fp30x and very happy with it just because i really only needed a piano, and i loved the key action. also, for some strange reason, the DGX costs a whole lot more where i come from.
yeah had the same choice the fpx30 is 170€ cheaper than the dgx
I am all about how it sounds rather than the bells and whistles that each instrument has and therefore, I have always LOVED Yamaha.
On the 670 they took away the ability to change the headphone out to line level; this was available on the 660, but I saw in the manual for the 670 this is gone - I contacted Yamaha to confirm, and it has indeed been removed. Not sure why, it's a shame but that's ok. I'm planning on buying one, but it will never leave home anyways, it's far too big and heavy to gig with, and since there is a USB audio interface built in, you can record high quality direct audio that way anyways, so the loss of line out ports doesn't really matter. If I start gigging again, I'll get a P121/125 to have the same key action and the line outs.
Bought the FP-30x brand new on sale for $750. Also bought a pair of Presonus Eris E5's, also on sale, for $99 each. I have no plans to use the on board speakers. The piano sound on the Roland is not that great but I preferred the action over the Yamaha. Extremely satisfied with my setup.
Hi.. Thanks for the review. Is playing trills difficult or sluggish on fp30x?
Had the dgx670 and the fp60x at the same time for three weeks due to Sam Ash error. The keys and key action on the Roland is way overrated. The key action is heavier and not a better feel than the Yamaha. The DGX670 sounds were better than the Roland. The Yamaha has two speakers on each side that overcomes the watts difference. And the fp60x has better speakers than the fp30x. And the Yamaha sounds better. The only thing I felt was better on the Roland was the honky tonk piano sound. For a home digital keyboard the Yamaha is superior to the fp30x. Just my opinion.
How do you set the Yamaha to be line-out (to a mixer) and not the headphones?
I’m not gonna lie, I’m more of the simple modern look kind of person, so I think the Roland fp-30x looks better. But nice video 👍🏻
Any thoughts on one of these versus a higher end midi keyboard with a Mac?
Hello you two🤗 Once again a very interesting comparison of two completely different concepts. I owned the FP30 myself 3 years ago and sold it again after 3 months because I was totally unhappy with the piano sound! No matter what settings I made it never sounded like an acoustic piano....
I then bought the Kawai ES8... Roland is good in my opinion in the digital sounds but the "acoustic" pianos I find terrible! The Yamaha presented by you sounds worlds better in my opinion!
I have the Roland FP-90 and I absolutely hate the sound. The keys feel amazing though. I use it as a midi controller for Noire piano vst and Synthogy Ivory II Grand pianos.
@@BUJU2007 I actually forgot to mention, the keyboard is very good on the FP30👍 But the piano sound is too artificial in my opinion... That doesn't mean that Roland digital pianos are bad musical instruments! If you use them consciously to produce music they can be quite useful for a composer, but as a replacement for an acoustic piano they are not suitable in my opinion. Every good musician hears immediately that it is a Roland digital piano...
I wish I saw such opinions before I bought my FP-30X. But all I found were raving reviews (pianodreamers, I'm looking at you). Not to mention the FP-30X was 100 bucks more than the Kawai ES110 and the Yamaha P-125, so I thought I was paying more for quality. Other than the more pronounced string resonance and sustain effect, the base sound isn't much better than the Casio CDP series and the PX-S series sound much better.
@@JAnx01 Some channels like Merriam Music are not Yamaha dealers, so they try to glorify what they sell, which in their case is Kawai, Roland and Casio. That is exactly why I have been posting opinions on RUclips, to warm people of the reality. I bought two Roland digital pianos about 6-7 years ago with the SuperNatural, thinking it was a great thing. Like Roland Greykowski said, no matter how much I tweaked them they never sounded good.
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key quality and weight and piano quality between the dgx670 and the fp60x
Hallo you two, about my opinion this comparison has been between two digital pianos which are absolutely different!!!! Dgx 670 is not a normal digital piano but is a mixture of arranger k. and digital piano. About the keyboard of heavy keys I think that Roland be higher quality thanks to the escapement, also...
Escapement is meaningless on a digital piano. It's just a rubber nub and has no actual functional value.
@@JoeLinux2000 in other words: leakage is just a psychological thing to feel when touching the movement of the rubber inside the digital piano.
First off I don't know how to play anything on anything! The Yamaha feels like a real 88 key 🎹! 🤯 wow 👌 👏! My son loves it he plays! It's awesome buy it!
Can you make video comparing Casio CDP s360 vs Yamaha DGX 670, thank you
Hey, I am also confused between the 2. I know the prices are way different but that's the point.
Should I spend more on the DGX-670 over the CDP-S360 and is it worth it?
I have only played the S350 (predecessor to S360) and it was good and the action was actually very nice but I don't know about the DGX
Go to a guitar center see if they have both u can try
DGX670 vs PXS3100 vs XE20?
DGX670 vs P515?
FP30X vs F107?
Will it accept .kar files from my USB stick?
The Yamaha is the best overall keyboard 🎹 here however for a person
who wants a awesome sounding piano 🎹 with other sounds and no accompaniment
features the Roland.
The Roland operating features appear quite clunky compared to the Yamaha.
However the violin 🎻 or cello 🎻sound played close to the end of the Roland
demo was a quite convincing violin 🎻 or cello 🎻sound.
Still the Yamaha is the keyboard 🎹 I would buy as it is a much bigger bang
for your buck $$ than many other keyboards 🎹 in this price range.
And knowing Yamaha a more quality longer lasting instrument.
Roland is good but I love the richness Yamaha high end piano has that Roland missed. If only Roland dedicated more variations to their piano samples it would be sweet.
DGX670 all the way
got a DGX670 about 1 year ago, it has very amazing capabilities, have not figured it all out yet. but yes the audio out is limited to a headphone out - that we send to a mixer board and then external speakers. really wish there was a way to connect larger external video monitor (the internal one is nice but not ideal angle, and not touch screen)/
I think is posible, but it will be like a frankestein thing. I'm going to adquire the dgx 670 next month, and im excited about it!
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@@universofi sabelo ñery
I've owned the DGX since it came out, and I wouldn't buy one again. The user interface is just too kludgy and confusing. I hate the fact that the stings voices don't sustain with the pedal.
@@JoeLinux2000u can set it to do that tho on the dgx 670 u just gotta find it I think pedal settings
Comparison request: Yamaha YDP 164/165 vs Roland RP 501/701
I will see
I can give you some idea, since I played the YDP184 vs RP510/F701 in the same store last week. The Yamaha action (GH) feels much nicer to me than that PHA-4, and the sound is more realistic than Roland. Roland pianos tend to have a harsh bright sound when you press the keys hard, particularly in that SuperNatural engine. I had two Roland pianos before with the same action and same piano engine, and sold them both. I went back to Yamaha.
@@Instrumental-Covers thanks a lot, that gives me some direction to decide. Having said that, my consideration point for the Roland line is the 300+ voices (apps like GarageBand are not quite there yet in replacing the out of box tones). Since I will be playing primarily the piano and occasionally play around with other tones, a better action and realistic sound should be more important to me. I shall try out the YDP164 in a store. Is there a comparable Kawai model in the same price bracket as the YDP164?
@@debadri My pleasure. First of all, I would encourage you to ty in person the GHS action, because I am convinced it is a myth that some other plastic actions from Roland or Kawai are superior. You could say they feel different, but not superior. I owned the Roland FP50 and RP401R before, which both had a lot of sounds and the PHA-4 action. I was not impressed with any of them, and ended up selling them after a year. I bought them online without seeing them, believing in all the SuperNatural engine hype. I also owned the Yamaha YDP 142 and YDP 163 or similar models in the past (in fact, one of them is featured in my channel). I recently played the Kawai KDP75, ES920, CN29 and CA49. One thing they all have in common is: muddy samples.
The GHS action is not inferior to the plastic actions in Kawai or Roland pianos. As I mentioned in another comment before, the "slippery shiny keys" is another myth: your fingers will not slip. And if you go to a Kawai actual acoustic piano store, you will see that a lot of Kawai pianos have the "slippery shiny keys": K200, K300, GL-10, GL-30, GL50. By the way, that GL-50 is about $54,000. And even the GX-2, which is a premium piano, still has satin keys, which are medium shiny. Don't listen to those comments about the shiny keys. Shiny keys are perfectly fine. I would be more worried about the PHA-4 action, which feels like an old unregulated piano action, noisy and stompy. What about Kawai plastic actions? They are lighter than Yamaha, but that doesn't mean they are better.
I would advice you to buy the DGX-670 over the YDP164 and even the YDP184, for one reason: tone control over the piano sample. Yes, you get a better action, the GH3, although you get much less control in the sound. Far less control. The DGX-670 is a better deal. You basically pay in the YDP164 and YDP184 for the cabinet, and, if you MUST have a "better" action (which is still a plastic action anyway), then the GH3 is "better". In the DGX-670, you get to tweak the CFX sample all you want, whereas in those Arius YDP you are pretty much stuck with the sample the way it comes (still better than in the Kawai KDP75 or the Rolands). In the DGX-670, you get better sounds that the Roland, plus a 16-track sequencer, a USB audio interface, and over 200 accompaniment styles.
By the way, the YDP165 is now available in Europe. I suggest that, if you decide to go with the YDP 164, then wait until the YDP 165 becomes available in your area. I don't think the new model is much of an upgrade, though.
@@Instrumental-Covers Thank you so much for the detailed reply! I am an absolute beginner and I currently have the Yamaha P125, and started taking lessons for the last 4 months. I read somewhere that the moment you realise that you want to continue piano for a long term, it's better to upgrade immediately- so as to get a better resell value of the 'beginner' piano. As you know P125 has the GHX action. And I have sweaty palm and fingers. So I was contemplating if getting a ivory type key would do better. Also yes, the cabinet style and the wooden cover appeal to me. YDP165 is yet to reach India and heard that not much has changed over 164. Now after reading your detailed thoughts, I am reconsidering the DGX670. But honestly I am a bit confused now since it has the same action and feel of P125.
Actually, I am surprised that George Carlin is still alive and working at a music store!
it’s a music club, and we ain’t in it
Please compare Casio cdp-s360 with Yamaha dgx-670 both full of future, but how they sound next to each other?
Besides the loudspeakers in Roland have more power(11 w x 2) against 6 w x 2 of Dgx 670, that's the same of predecessor dgx660. It'snt enough....
Yes it is in a house setting it’s more than enough
DGX 670 VS FPX-60 or 90.
How Yamaha could make such a feature rich keyboard and only have a headphone out jack is beyond comprehension 🤷🏻♂️
They had to curt the prices
having a standard output L and R outs will make a lot of PSR buyers buy this as this wil become a professional performance keyboard reducing their sales for their other higher end models. thats wht i think
just buy a y xlr p10 stereo cable and a y p2 adapter 👍🏽
The DGX has many short comings, and some good points as well. The audio reinforcement of the DGX is quite good. I think the speakers are probably similar to Yamaha's small studio monitors.
I have a FP-30X. The sound is just mediocre and by "mediocre" I mean if you play a RUclips video of an acoustic piano, or a even a decent digital piano, on your phone and put it on a table, it will probably sound better. The FP-30X downwards facing speakers are 11W each, so of course they will have more base and be louder, but really it sounds like someone is playing a piano in your basement.
Also, the action is sluggish and the I haven't been able to connect any of the Roland apps from my phone or from any of my relative's phones. Their 2-star in-store reviews say it all. So I don't really understand the raving professional reviews.
Even when you add external speakers the FP-30X can be either barely audible or loud and obnoxious (if you live in an apartment, your neighbours will hate you).
I much prefer the way the Casio PX-S series sound because of their ability to produce crisp sounds at lower volumes and overall the sound engine is just more pleasurable. The short pivot of the black keys doesn't bother me as much.
The Kawai ES110 also sounds better (don't judge digital pianos by their speaker wattage), but is quite feature poor.
The Yamahas P-45 and P-125 sound very bland to me, but no big flaws here.
If I was buying again I'd drop the need for portability and buy the Korg LP-380U or C1, both of which provide the closest to real acoustic piano experiences you can get in this price range.
I have played all the pianos you mentioned, plus the best each company has to offer, meaning the Yamaha AvantGrand N3, N2, NU1X, CLP795GP, CVP809, Roland V-Grand, Kawai NV10, and the medium range in between. I don't know if you have played those instruments in person, but my advice is that buy if you have already seen them in person and compare them side by side. Personally, I don't think the Casio PX-S1100 sounds better than the Yamaha P45, and yes, I have played them side by side several times. The PX-S1100 does have more nuances, if you are trying to play something very soft. However, the sample sounds muddy and muffled, particularly through studio headphones. Yamaha samples are clearer. Casio used to have very obvious transitions between the velocity layers, but this PX-S1100 manages to sound smoother than, let's say, a PX350/S150 and similar models. However, it does that at the expense of sample clarity. In a way, it is like the Kawai KDP75 or ES920, which people say sound "warm and smooth"... not even close. Go to a real Kawai dealer and play real Kawai pianos and you will see they don't sound that muffled, like their digitals. I think anyone who wants a clear, realistic piano sound should go with Yamaha, and the DGX-670 is one of the best deals right now.
I laugh when I hear people compare lower end digital pianos between various brands. These manufacturers deliberately dumb down their lower end models (< $1500) and save their nicer tones for the expensive models, 2000 and up. Ever heard of Pianoteq ? Pianoteq changed the game. With software that costs less than 200 running on your laptop or iPad, you can get premium digital piano sound from your lowly $500 keyboards or digital pianos. Once I installed Pianoteq 8 on my iPad I couldn’t bear to listen to the original tone of my Roland fp 30x
Conclusion?
You should take some risk and choose one
it really sucks for you that the ads that they run during your video are from Guitar Center and Sweetwater.....
Is it just me or is the shake on the stand with the Roland excessive?
I noticed the same thing over the past few years while looking for a piano & stand. Seems to me the X-style stand wobble to various degrees and noticed while trying them at various stores selling digital pianos. So I purchased a Z-style stand for my DGX-670. It’s solid and haven’t noticed (or seen) any movement whats so ever.
You kind of sell the DGX short as if it doesn't have 256 polyphony. What I mean is, you mention that the Roland has 256 polyphony, but fail to mention that the DGX has it too. You should think about not just what you're saying, but also what you're not saying.
Just marketing.
Roland sound mediocre
Yeah, this was a decent review, but comparing those two keyboards was a waste of time, completely different animals,, sounds on the DG acts are not capable of getting them on the Roland, some of the piano sounds were better on the Roland Koma, feature feature they aren’t even in the same ball game other than price and it’s a piano,, very confusing review
Stop rambling and play
I just wish these kids would stop waving their hands around while they're talking. It's distracting and takes the attention away from what is being said. Drives me nuts.
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makes me want to eat olives 🫒 🫒 🫒