In my opinion this is one of the most beautiful pieces from Chopin. Altough none of my students played this song (yet), I almost always use this song as an example when I explain/show 3 against 4. 😉🎹👍🏼
Thank you very much for sharing this - it was very helpful. I managed to compose a piece with some polyrhythm a few days after watching this. Thanks again!
Demystify iconic difficult pieces... Thank you, Phil. Always really precious and inspiring suggestions. I'm just going to study that wonderful piece and I confess I'm a bit scared... But after your video I'll do it with a more comfortable attitude! Thanks again!
Actually, the 3 against 4 polyrhythm forms a very interesting pattern. Kind of like a drummer learning a complex, yet playable beat. It does take some practice to be able to maintain it whilst the right hand is flying up and down the scales.
Of course! But I'm not discussing how to beat 4 against 3 in straight time. A lot of speed and flexibility is required here. A drummer wouldn't typically play a 4 against 3 with the kind of tempo rubato that's needed in this piece.
Thanks Phil, that's the magic broken down into mouth size pieces. I'm going to have a go at that now (after a 40 year break from piano playing). Also, I always end up looking for your technical stuff - which keybed / board is that you use? Pianotec Steinway?
Tee-hee-hee thanks, Phil. Essentially the same, rhythmically, as the Theme from the series "Succession" starring Scotsman Brian Cox, or as it were with a Brahms hemiola (3:2).
I'm sorry, I'm new to music. When you say "Cross-rhythm", is that the same thing as a "Poly-rhythm" (or is it something different). Sorry, I only began learning about music last July.
The actual definition depends on the source you read. Some music dictionaries define cross-rhythm as a specific form of polyrhythm that is the basis of an entire or a large region of a musical piece. A polyrhythm is the simultaneous use of two or more rhythms. So, one could say that a polyrhythm is just a temporary contradiction of the prevailing meter. Some genres of south American and African music are entirely based on cross-rhythms. Other genres and musical pieces use polyrhythms for effect just for a measures. At the end of the day, they are essentially the same.
@@PhilBestMusic Thank you so very much for giving pause to respond. I appreciate time AND all of your awesome content which I have seen up to this point. By the way, as I have almost no VSTs, I will be entering as strategically as possible with a path focused acquisition approach. One of my first targets will be Pianoteq 7. And I thank you for your reviews on pianoteq which aided me on my "deep dive" into Sample vs modelled instruments. Enjoy a lovely evening.
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this has been extremely helpful...many thanks
You're welcome!
Thank you so much for this! You have a wonderful calm and encouraging teaching style
Thanks! I'm happy this is helpful!
In my opinion this is one of the most beautiful pieces from Chopin. Altough none of my students played this song (yet), I almost always use this song as an example when I explain/show 3 against 4. 😉🎹👍🏼
It's a great one for the faster, flexible kind of cross rhythm.
I love this. You're giving me hope that I may play this piece, beautifully..one day. See you soon, looking forward to our next lesson 🙂
Me too!
Thank you very much for sharing this - it was very helpful. I managed to compose a piece with some polyrhythm a few days after watching this. Thanks again!
I'm very glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this, I can finally play both hands together !
:-)
Demystify iconic difficult pieces... Thank you, Phil. Always really precious and inspiring suggestions. I'm just going to study that wonderful piece and I confess I'm a bit scared... But after your video I'll do it with a more comfortable attitude! Thanks again!
That's great! Have fun with it! It's a great study.
Chris Webber here,
Thank you so much Phil for this.
And beautiful playing.
Thank you, Chris!
Actually, the 3 against 4 polyrhythm forms a very interesting pattern. Kind of like a drummer learning a complex, yet playable beat. It does take some practice to be able to maintain it whilst the right hand is flying up and down the scales.
Of course! But I'm not discussing how to beat 4 against 3 in straight time. A lot of speed and flexibility is required here. A drummer wouldn't typically play a 4 against 3 with the kind of tempo rubato that's needed in this piece.
Thanks Phil, that's the magic broken down into mouth size pieces. I'm going to have a go at that now (after a 40 year break from piano playing).
Also, I always end up looking for your technical stuff - which keybed / board is that you use? Pianotec Steinway?
That's great to hear! Yes it's Pianoteq's Steinway D triggered from my Roland HP605.
Beautiful playing, and great piano sample! Pianoteq?
Thanks!
Tee-hee-hee thanks, Phil. Essentially the same, rhythmically, as the Theme from the series "Succession" starring Scotsman Brian Cox, or as it were with a Brahms hemiola (3:2).
If you say so...
I'm sorry, I'm new to music. When you say "Cross-rhythm", is that the same thing as a "Poly-rhythm" (or is it something different). Sorry, I only began learning about music last July.
Yes cross-rhythm here is same thing as poly-rhythm but in some ways poly-rhythm would be a better term as cross-rhythm is slightly more generalised!
The actual definition depends on the source you read. Some music dictionaries define cross-rhythm as a specific form of polyrhythm that is the basis of an entire or a large region of a musical piece. A polyrhythm is the simultaneous use of two or more rhythms. So, one could say that a polyrhythm is just a temporary contradiction of the prevailing meter. Some genres of south American and African music are entirely based on cross-rhythms. Other genres and musical pieces use polyrhythms for effect just for a measures. At the end of the day, they are essentially the same.
@@PhilBestMusic Thank you so very much for giving pause to respond. I appreciate time AND all of your awesome content which I have seen up to this point.
By the way, as I have almost no VSTs, I will be entering as strategically as possible with a path focused acquisition approach. One of my first targets will be Pianoteq 7. And I thank you for your reviews on pianoteq which aided me on my "deep dive" into Sample vs modelled instruments.
Enjoy a lovely evening.
My pleasure!