So there’s a much much smaller “version” of it. The King of Random has a video on how to make a solar ray. It’s basically a few tv screens that focus the sun into a small point
In 1740 natural philosopher George Luis de Buffon tested archimedes death ray and with i believe 40 mirrors he successfully melted a lot of tin and combusted pine! Source: Every Living Thing by Jason Roberts
it's all real, just forgotten or kept secret. majorly a lot of advanced technologies we are "discovering" now is often something our ancestors spoke of as fact but dismissed as myth or magic due to lack of evidence and proof. our ancestors were far more capable and modern than the common man gives them credit for, though it's hard to blame the common man who's fallen victim to the false historical narratives that present the world as far less magical and far less capable than reality.
Problem is that you can not do with without an parabolic mirror who its very hard to adjust focus for. Now with just mirrors it could be used to dazzle the enemy crew so they could not see that happened between them and the shore, perhaps rowing out some fire ships, who explains the fire :)
A little thought experiment concerning the number of rowers. These numbers are speculative and for calculation only. Let's say we have two hulls (connected by a platform), each with rowers on each side, so 4 hull sides of rowers. The hulls are 70 meters long, but excl. bow and stern the are oars along 50 meters. There are 80 cm between each row of oars, so in theory 62.5 sets of oars per hull side. Vertically there are 3 sets of oars with 8 rowers on the lowest oar, 5 rowers on the middle oar, and 3 rowers on the top oar, so 16 rowers per oar set of 3 oars. This adds up to: (4 hull sides) x (62.5 oar sets) x (16 rowers) = 4,000 rowers.
@@ConfusedCobra-qt1nv Air. Breathe. You'd most probably not need the inner hull sides as closed and protective and the outer hull sides. You could have plenty of air intake for all rowers decks. Move. Space. If the ship was just 70m long each upper deck would be perhaps 1,000 m2 on each hull. Then add the platform. But if Casson is correct and each hull is 130m long and 17m wide, the two hull's upper decks alone, without counting the platform, would be about 4,000 m2 (2,000 m2 each). That's more a good deal more space to move about per person than a Viking ship crossing the North Sea or the Atlantic Ocean. Supplies would naturally be stored low in the hull doubling as ballast. For longer distances supply vessels could follow as escorts, just as for the rest of the navy, or a modern carrier task force for that matter.
Quick correction: at the end when you said the battle of Actium was in the Aegean, the battle actually happened on the opposite side of the Greek peninsula in the Ambracian Gulf and Ionian Sea.
Where would Egyptians even source 40m timbers from? It seems as though the sourcing, processing and transport would be more impressive than the ship itself.
The middle east used to be much more forested. I seem to remember faintly that alot of what was left was cut for siege engines at some time? Just like with Britain and Germany, sooner or later excessive logging will change that. The Brits I belive did it for ship building too.
If their ancestors were able to build a massive trade network that allowed industrial production of bronze, I’m sure there were some sources or manuscripts that survived to teach them how to develop such a trade network. Those sources might not have survived until today, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say they had something available to them.
@@dow-goren9903 Generally the closer you get to the equator the less suitable lumber is for ship building (trees grow too fast). For structural applications you need a species that grows slower like oak or trees that might have been sourced from Scandinavia.
Similarly massive ships are also attested in the riverine warfare of Southern Chinese history, which was far more positional in character than the more mobile warfare of the north. These are themselves the nuclei for the very large Treasure Ships of Zheng He's expeditions.
As my hero Spock would say, "fascinating!" When I saw the title, I immediately thought "the Greek Fire." I guess that needs a video of it's own because, despite the name, it is probably really Byzantine, rather than Greek, or, more precisely, Eastern Roman.
Something I've wondered since I first read about the Tesserakonteres but never been able to get a clear answer on: could they have constructed a deck structure over more hulls? The claimed length is about twice that of the largest confirmed hulls of the time: what if you laid two large ships end to end, then repeated that side by side for a ship at each corner, more like a trimaran with outriggers? They could even be laid in a diamond pattern which would reduce the oar clearance issues, and conveniently give a smaller size for the same quoted length. Structurally, the deck wouldn't have to be rigid, though I don't think the Greeks had the flex control of later clinker-style hulls, so sea state would have been an issue, though being the Med it tends to either be really rough or rather calm and distance between ports is small.
Another standout video! Maybe you should think about doing a lot more ancient naval warfare and ships etc. (Naval history is growing in popularity at least on RUclips) And there are plenty of channels that cover from the age of sail to WW2 ( such as the outstanding channel of Drachinifel! )and beyond, but there are very few if any that cover the more ancient (around 1300 ad and earlier broadly speaking) in any kind of detail or comprehensive examination, except for some channels covering the more famous things like the battle of Actium and so forth. Of course this can be seen as a niche topic but it is history nonetheless. Anyway, it's just an idea mate. Cheers!
"Look at him, he's heading to that small island." "I think I can get him before he gets there. We're almost in range." "That's no island... It's a polyreme." "It's too big to be a polyreme." "I got a bad feeling about this..."
Another great video, thanks very much Mike. I do have to doubt some of the figures for the biggest of these ships; are they even practical in the water of a sea?
One can hope that we find one of these megaships, or something that approached in size, under the sea - hopefully somewhere anoxic, like the depths of the Black Sea. I'd also be interested if there are any remains of those massive dry docks that were reportedly used. To note, the kingdoms of what is now Indonesia in the later Middle Ages also built massive galleys too, but like with Hellenistic ships there are doubts of their size. Hopefully we can find of those too!
I can't imagine how a team of 40 works a single oar. Are there details of how they would be placed? If they were sitting in a line, wouldn't the end be swinging too wide for a sitting person to keep hold of? Both standing to allow movement and grabbing then letting go seem impractical.
I am impressed by the high level of organization, crowd control and technology that those societies were able to reach with only a basic scientific knowledge.
What do exactly do they mean at around 7:20 mark (when discussing the dry dock construction) it says the water was drained out by the use of "engine's"?? Obviously they aren't talking about combustion, steam or even electric engines. So what exactly are they talking about?? Thanks in advance for any insight/help!
When talking about the ancient past the word "engine" is a synonymous of machine: a pump sistem, some sort of catapult or siege tower, a crane or a winch.
@gabrielecavaleri7525 right that makes sense! I kinda had a feeling that was pretty close to what it was because of the term "siege engine" but I wasn't aware that they had water pumps at all back then? Was it lever's? Pulley's? Or something unique? How were they powered? by man? beast of burden? Or something else like a water wheel or something?
@@jayb3843 they had pumps at the time but I don't know how efficient they were. It doesn't seem they used a lot of machines in the ancient time. As far as their appereance they looked like the pumps you use for the bycicle
relooking at evidence for giant ships from bronze age Scandia so big/long ships were a thing for alot older than we previous thought. small repeat at 7:50 you repeat alexader death twice
3:36 Over 6,000 crew on a vessel of the stated size is simply comical. The weight of that many men alone would be more than the displacement of many WWII-era fleet destroyers, for crying out loud. A submarine of similar size had a crew in the low dozens, packed in like sardines.
A lot of submarine volume was taken up with propulsion, weapons and ballast, and had to support it's crew for weeks. This is more like a greek trireme. Pure living space and made for just 1 day journeys. Crew didn't live on the ship, just travel or fight in it, landing each night to resupply, strech and spend the night on the shore, so fitting 200 men into this 40m ship wasn't a problem. So if that thing was 3x larger than a trireme in all dimensions, that's 200 x 3x3x3 = 5400, pretty close to those 6000.
@ You’d be surprised. The overwhelming majority of the space in a submarine is empty, since you kind of need the crew to be able to move around and work.
@@baronvonbrunn8596 Secondly, that was a less important comparison than mass. A normal trireme displaced about 40 tons. An exceptionally large one might displace 60. Let's be generous and multiply that by 5, giving a displacement of 300 tons for this mega-reme. 6,000 men assuming each one to be a small, skinny 40kg, comes out to 320 tons. The men would weigh more than the entire ship. If you don't see the insanity in that, I cannot help you.
@@jamesharding3459 I compared it to quinqueremes. 45m long, at most 1,2× longer than triremes, but twice as heavy (100t). At this ratio we're reaching thousands of tons for the big one. I don't think weight is an issue. The lowest I'd use is 9×40 = 360, but I think that's streching it. 5x displacement for a 3x longer ship is just too little, I haven't found anything close to that in real life examples.
I wouldn't call these bloody wars as most of the battles show signs of being fiat wars including soldiers working for whoever was paying, extended standoffs, and cities switching hands without a fight.
I so badly want the Archimedes death ray to be real.
But the fenchurch and vdara aré real,they were concave and fried everybody in flames
So there’s a much much smaller “version” of it. The King of Random has a video on how to make a solar ray. It’s basically a few tv screens that focus the sun into a small point
In 1740 natural philosopher George Luis de Buffon tested archimedes death ray and with i believe 40 mirrors he successfully melted a lot of tin and combusted pine!
Source: Every Living Thing by Jason Roberts
it's all real, just forgotten or kept secret. majorly a lot of advanced technologies we are "discovering" now is often something our ancestors spoke of as fact but dismissed as myth or magic due to lack of evidence and proof.
our ancestors were far more capable and modern than the common man gives them credit for, though it's hard to blame the common man who's fallen victim to the false historical narratives that present the world as far less magical and far less capable than reality.
Problem is that you can not do with without an parabolic mirror who its very hard to adjust focus for. Now with just mirrors it could be used to dazzle the enemy crew so they could not see that happened between them and the shore, perhaps rowing out some fire ships, who explains the fire :)
That title made me say "hell yeah". I dont say hell yeah.
Sometimes there's the exception that confirms the rule, and you simply _have to_ say _"hell, yeah!"_
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@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Why why?
Hearing "sambuca" and "heavy casualties" in the same sentence, i can only nod.
The pub crawl was going so well until *The Sambuca Incident*
A little thought experiment concerning the number of rowers. These numbers are speculative and for calculation only. Let's say we have two hulls (connected by a platform), each with rowers on each side, so 4 hull sides of rowers. The hulls are 70 meters long, but excl. bow and stern the are oars along 50 meters. There are 80 cm between each row of oars, so in theory 62.5 sets of oars per hull side. Vertically there are 3 sets of oars with 8 rowers on the lowest oar, 5 rowers on the middle oar, and 3 rowers on the top oar, so 16 rowers per oar set of 3 oars. This adds up to: (4 hull sides) x (62.5 oar sets) x (16 rowers) = 4,000 rowers.
1200 sq meters divided by 7200 people and all supplies? move or breathe somehow?
@@ConfusedCobra-qt1nv Air. Breathe. You'd most probably not need the inner hull sides as closed and protective and the outer hull sides. You could have plenty of air intake for all rowers decks.
Move. Space. If the ship was just 70m long each upper deck would be perhaps 1,000 m2 on each hull. Then add the platform.
But if Casson is correct and each hull is 130m long and 17m wide, the two hull's upper decks alone, without counting the platform, would be about 4,000 m2 (2,000 m2 each). That's more a good deal more space to move about per person than a Viking ship crossing the North Sea or the Atlantic Ocean.
Supplies would naturally be stored low in the hull doubling as ballast. For longer distances supply vessels could follow as escorts, just as for the rest of the navy, or a modern carrier task force for that matter.
@@larsrons7937 it was an arithmetic measurement that shows it is always lies all the time. pick a topic
I love a bit of maths in the comments section!
Wunderwaffe Hellenistic edition
Hell yeah!
Well that giant catamaran would be an nice platform to launch and recover an dragon from :)
Quick correction: at the end when you said the battle of Actium was in the Aegean, the battle actually happened on the opposite side of the Greek peninsula in the Ambracian Gulf and Ionian Sea.
Thank you for not being ai slop
This always interested me since most ancient siege practices were way less engineering intensive.
Where would Egyptians even source 40m timbers from? It seems as though the sourcing, processing and transport would be more impressive than the ship itself.
The middle east used to be much more forested. I seem to remember faintly that alot of what was left was cut for siege engines at some time?
Just like with Britain and Germany, sooner or later excessive logging will change that. The Brits I belive did it for ship building too.
If their ancestors were able to build a massive trade network that allowed industrial production of bronze, I’m sure there were some sources or manuscripts that survived to teach them how to develop such a trade network.
Those sources might not have survived until today, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say they had something available to them.
@@dow-goren9903 Generally the closer you get to the equator the less suitable lumber is for ship building (trees grow too fast). For structural applications you need a species that grows slower like oak or trees that might have been sourced from Scandinavia.
The cedars of Lebanon were famous for a reason. The ancient mediteranean was different from today
@@dow-goren9903 Climate change - also changed the cedar forests of Lebanon. Has always happened. Also today
Thank you for the video. When I saw your channel name and the tile I _knew_ it would be interesting. And it was worth it.
Similarly massive ships are also attested in the riverine warfare of Southern Chinese history, which was far more positional in character than the more mobile warfare of the north. These are themselves the nuclei for the very large Treasure Ships of Zheng He's expeditions.
As my hero Spock would say, "fascinating!" When I saw the title, I immediately thought "the Greek Fire." I guess that needs a video of it's own because, despite the name, it is probably really Byzantine, rather than Greek, or, more precisely, Eastern Roman.
Perfect video for the Civ like video game I am developing...
Bro is back with a vengeance
Something I've wondered since I first read about the Tesserakonteres but never been able to get a clear answer on: could they have constructed a deck structure over more hulls? The claimed length is about twice that of the largest confirmed hulls of the time: what if you laid two large ships end to end, then repeated that side by side for a ship at each corner, more like a trimaran with outriggers? They could even be laid in a diamond pattern which would reduce the oar clearance issues, and conveniently give a smaller size for the same quoted length. Structurally, the deck wouldn't have to be rigid, though I don't think the Greeks had the flex control of later clinker-style hulls, so sea state would have been an issue, though being the Med it tends to either be really rough or rather calm and distance between ports is small.
Another standout video!
Maybe you should think about doing a lot more ancient naval warfare and ships etc.
(Naval history is growing in popularity at least on RUclips)
And there are plenty of channels that cover from the age of sail to WW2 ( such as the outstanding channel of Drachinifel! )and beyond, but there are very few if any that cover the more ancient (around 1300 ad and earlier broadly speaking) in any kind of detail or comprehensive examination, except for some channels covering the more famous things like the battle of Actium and so forth.
Of course this can be seen as a niche topic but it is history nonetheless.
Anyway, it's just an idea mate.
Cheers!
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This kind of stuff inspired the Death Star
"Look at him, he's heading to that small island."
"I think I can get him before he gets there. We're almost in range."
"That's no island... It's a polyreme."
"It's too big to be a polyreme."
"I got a bad feeling about this..."
Madlad and his fulcrum disable the Roman war machine. Only gets a couple sentences Hellenistic Mega Weapons.
Ah yes Byzantine Energy weapons, HARNESS FORTH THE POWER OF THE SUNS LIGHT!
Another great video, thanks very much Mike. I do have to doubt some of the figures for the biggest of these ships; are they even practical in the water of a sea?
Hey deckhand sounds a bit like an insult
Love your delivery style, reminds me of the University history classes that I used to enjoy.
One can hope that we find one of these megaships, or something that approached in size, under the sea - hopefully somewhere anoxic, like the depths of the Black Sea.
I'd also be interested if there are any remains of those massive dry docks that were reportedly used.
To note, the kingdoms of what is now Indonesia in the later Middle Ages also built massive galleys too, but like with Hellenistic ships there are doubts of their size. Hopefully we can find of those too!
I can't imagine how a team of 40 works a single oar. Are there details of how they would be placed? If they were sitting in a line, wouldn't the end be swinging too wide for a sitting person to keep hold of? Both standing to allow movement and grabbing then letting go seem impractical.
And then, i find myself playing imperator rome again. 😂😂
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so with 2 levels inch to inch you have .4 sq meters per person including EVERYTHING on the ship.
You know it's going to be a good meal when there's fresh Historian's Craft on the table
The Old world also likes Wonder Weapons.
Interesting, I thought the Helepolis was used by Alexander during the siege of Tyre. I guess I got the events mixed up
I am impressed by the high level of organization, crowd control and technology that those societies were able to reach with only a basic scientific knowledge.
What do exactly do they mean at around 7:20 mark (when discussing the dry dock construction) it says the water was drained out by the use of "engine's"?? Obviously they aren't talking about combustion, steam or even electric engines. So what exactly are they talking about?? Thanks in advance for any insight/help!
When talking about the ancient past the word "engine" is a synonymous of machine: a pump sistem, some sort of catapult or siege tower, a crane or a winch.
@gabrielecavaleri7525 right that makes sense! I kinda had a feeling that was pretty close to what it was because of the term "siege engine" but I wasn't aware that they had water pumps at all back then? Was it lever's? Pulley's? Or something unique? How were they powered? by man? beast of burden? Or something else like a water wheel or something?
@@jayb3843 they had pumps at the time but I don't know how efficient they were. It doesn't seem they used a lot of machines in the ancient time. As far as their appereance they looked like the pumps you use for the bycicle
Post Endor Star Wars EU moment
relooking at evidence for giant ships from bronze age Scandia so big/long ships were a thing for alot older than we previous thought.
small repeat at 7:50 you repeat alexader death twice
war is hell(enistic)
3:36 Over 6,000 crew on a vessel of the stated size is simply comical. The weight of that many men alone would be more than the displacement of many WWII-era fleet destroyers, for crying out loud. A submarine of similar size had a crew in the low dozens, packed in like sardines.
A lot of submarine volume was taken up with propulsion, weapons and ballast, and had to support it's crew for weeks.
This is more like a greek trireme. Pure living space and made for just 1 day journeys. Crew didn't live on the ship, just travel or fight in it, landing each night to resupply, strech and spend the night on the shore, so fitting 200 men into this 40m ship wasn't a problem.
So if that thing was 3x larger than a trireme in all dimensions, that's 200 x 3x3x3 = 5400, pretty close to those 6000.
@ You’d be surprised. The overwhelming majority of the space in a submarine is empty, since you kind of need the crew to be able to move around and work.
@@baronvonbrunn8596 Secondly, that was a less important comparison than mass. A normal trireme displaced about 40 tons. An exceptionally large one might displace 60. Let's be generous and multiply that by 5, giving a displacement of 300 tons for this mega-reme.
6,000 men assuming each one to be a small, skinny 40kg, comes out to 320 tons. The men would weigh more than the entire ship. If you don't see the insanity in that, I cannot help you.
@@jamesharding3459 I compared it to quinqueremes. 45m long, at most 1,2× longer than triremes, but twice as heavy (100t). At this ratio we're reaching thousands of tons for the big one. I don't think weight is an issue.
The lowest I'd use is 9×40 = 360, but I think that's streching it. 5x displacement for a 3x longer ship is just too little, I haven't found anything close to that in real life examples.
I wouldn't call these bloody wars as most of the battles show signs of being fiat wars including soldiers working for whoever was paying, extended standoffs, and cities switching hands without a fight.
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If the ancient Greeks and Romans were so wealthy, why couldn't they afford clothes 😉
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