5 JRPGs NOT to Recommend to NEWCOMERS to the Genre!!
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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5 JRPGs NOT to Recommend to NEWCOMERS!
In contrast to my previous video in which I showcased JRPGs that I think work BRILLIANTLY for newcomers, in this video I'm showing 5 that I think don't work for the same purpose, despite them being BRILLIANT games!
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Conversely, this is a great list of advanced JRPGs that are really rewarding for veterens of the genre to get stuck into
I love Honkai Star Rail and I'm deeply into it.
Ad yes, you are absolutely right about it.
i love honkai star rail but 100% should not be your entry JRPG.
absolutely, it's my 3rd favorite video game but it has SO much going on I would never do that to someone new to the genre
Fair list, I disagree with you on HSR but I get your thought 100% the hoyo fans tend to be nuts. I don't think HSR is that hard to get into or mechanics to understand but I will agree with you that if you aren't going to take time to really dive into it, you can easily get lost. Genshin is a cluster. 100% agree with the gacha nerves. I recommend HSR but always warn everyone it's a gacha and you can absolutely have crap luck getting stuff.
The worst part about games like the Trail series is how hard it is to have all of them accessible on the same platform
I only play Trails on PC for that reason.
@@mrpyrostorm3165 Yep - The PC platform (for now) is the best way to go through the whole series. You also have the advantage that you can mod in the Japanese voice acting in the first games. Originally the Trails games only have the "beepbeepbeep" sounds and no voice acting at all, but to be able to mod in that Japanese voice acting makes those so much more enjoyable. Yes - There is only Japanese voice acting and no English, but believe me - It makes a BIG difference. Even if you cannot understand what is said, you still can feel all the emotions and tie voices to a character, and that makes a world of difference.
@@jclosed2516 100%
great vid. wholeheartedly agree with SaGa series as it is basically made for hardcore gamers and even then, you better have a walkthrough or guide in hand when tackling this series. It stand next to SMT as one of the most hard jrpg so recommending them to newcomers is a sure way to make them jump ship.
Finally got around to watching this. One series I can think of that would fit here is Disgaea. I’ve only played the first 3, but was kinda put off by how convoluted and deep they are.
Great list and definitely agree!
The thing about SMT is that, out of the mainline series, only 1 and 2 are directly connected but playing them through legitimate means is close to impossible. Especially 2.
From Nocturne onwards, it's all connected through a sort of multiverse system known was the Amala Network that makes every route and ending canon (even if the series as a whole picks some endings as more canon than others). An example of such connections is how Shin Megami Tensei If... is connected to both the Devil Summoner and Persona series and is the origin point for both.
You made mention of it in your video as a better recommendation but I actually think the Persona series (especially P5 or P5R) should also be on this list. They are so meaty with strange concepts and terms that we fans of the games and SMT games just come to understand, but not only do they drag on and on in the beginning before you get into the gameplay, they are not very beginner friendly in their systems. I don't know if there are any newcomer friendly Atlus games off the top of my head lol. Great list though and couldn't agree more with these series.
I did actually think about this after I posted the video, and think maybe Persona WASNT the best idea, as youre right, the time management can be really stressful and it's super easy to miss things, so I definately second guessed myself on that after the fact!
Concerning the Trails series: I'm not gonna try to get anyone to play it, but if someone does want to play it, I would like to make a correction regarding the play order. I know it's difficult to keep track of this for the non-veterans, so hopefully this will clear up some misconceptions:
You definitely don't have to start with Trails in the Sky, which is correct. It's sort of okay to start with the first game of any of the sub-series, however, it's extremely important to play all previous games before going to Cold Steel 3 and everything beyond, because that's where the plot threads converge so strongly that you won't understand anything otherwise. That leaves Sky, Zero and Cold Steel to start with.
However, I and most other people who have played all the games would also strongly recommend not starting with the Crossbell games, which are Zero and Azure, because they contain spoilers for other games and depend on previously established characters and lore the most out of the pre Cold Steel 3 games. Reverie, although major parts of it play in the same geographical locations, is actually not part of the Crossbell Arc at all. If anything, it could be considered an extension of the Cold Steel series and absolutely cannot be played as your third game like you suggested.
That's a lot of don'ts, but if someone's asking themselves where to actually do start: Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel are definitely the best starting points. Just make sure not to proceed past Cold Steel 3 before playing the previous games, if you decide against playing in release order.
Unfortunately, both those games have really slow pacing and could be considered somewhat boring at first, especially Sky, which is why I'm not 100% excluding Zero as a starting point. It's the least "slow burning" way to start, but also the least optimal if you do decide to play the whole series.
One final thing to consider:
Even when starting with the Sky games, there is an argument to be made to play Cold Steel 1+2 before Zero + Azure, as they play basically simultaneously from different perspectives, but the Cold Steel games, being the more naive perspective, get spoiled somewhat heavily by the Crossbell games, but not the other way around. Personally, I would recommend this, but it's just my opinion. Unlike my other points, this one isn't supported by an overwhelming consensus and is rather a point of debate, which I'd like to clarify, so don't just take my opinion as the truth here.
I hope the wall of text doesn't bother you guys too much, but it is a bit of a complicated topic, so it had to be. Have fun, if you do decide to play the games.
You know, I never thought about that. I just recently started Trails and have only played Sky FC but I loved it so much I have purchased every single other game. I was planning on playing them release order but it is real interesting to think about jumping to CS 1 and 2 before Crossbell.
@@cenbu, definitely do consider it. Since you've expressed interest, I can elaborate a little more, which I didn't want to do in the main comment for the sake of debloating it.
Since they play at around the same time, there are a couple of events which will be witnessed by the player twice, but it's an extremely consistent pattern that the Cold Steel perspective will provide both quantitatively less and less emotionally relevant information. Usually, the CS cast will be completely unable to make sense of certain happenings or determine their causes. Often times, they will pay little mind to them anyway, as they're preoccupied with different problems. The provided information, in my experience, doesn't interfere at all with the enjoyment of the Crossbell arc. It's moreso that you'd first experience mysteries on a surface level in CS and then get behind the truths through further investigation in the Crossbell games, if played outside of release order.
If played in release order however, major plot points of Cold Steel (mostly CS2) will be spoiled, including scenes that are meant to have emotional impact like the ending of CS2. Azure not only spoils an important plot twist at the end, but also does it in a completely mundane and unemotional manner, which really takes away from the potential of the reaction that plot point could invoke within a player. And in my personal opinion, this is just completely awful game design, because Azure didn't even need to go into these things and would have been perfectly fine leaving out certain information about what happens in Erebonia. It contributes almost nothing to Azure, but ruins important parts of CS2. This is just one example of course, but there are multiple such instances.
On the other hand, one argument for playing in release order is that there is a pretty short section towards the end of Cold Steel 2, in which there is a perspective switch and you actually play as two characters from the Crossbell games. It's designed in such a way that you will understand the gist of who they are and what they're trying to do either way. After all, the Crossbell games actually released after Cold Steel in the West, perhaps even specifically because of this spoiler-ridden relationship between the Crossbell games and the CS games, which they wanted to focus on more, I suppose. But even then, that short section would undoubtedly mean more to the player, if they had played Zero and Azure first, because they'd care more about the state of Crossbell, as well as the characters tied to it.
I imagine there's nothing particularly wrong with either order, to be honest, but you have my opinion on which is best already. It may also depend on how much you think you're going to like Cold Steel 1 and 2. People generally don't have great opinions of them, but I personally think CS2 is among the better games, at least, so it'd be worth delaying the Crossbell arc for greater enjoyment of it for me. But since you won't have a worse experience with the Crossbell arc if you do play Cold Steel 1/2 first, there's at least no big downside to delaying Crossbell. It's really up to you.
I 100% agree that Trails is a series for people already into JRPGs. The sheer amount of content and games you have to digest to get properly into the series can be intimidating for sure. As you said though, if you do get into it it can be one of the most satisfying payoffs you'll ever get from a JRPG franchise!
One other note about it: Each of the games are broken up into pairs so to speak. One game builds up a particular region or country by introducing you to it, characters you'll love, gameplay you'll enjoy, etc. The very next entry always expands on that world in a very compelling way. It'd be better to suggest the games in duologies than the entire franchise because frankly it is a lot to remember across so many games that are interconnected. The newer games do a good job of presenting who someone is or why you should care if they were from a past game that it makes it easier to get into the series tho! There are plenty of "If you know you know ;)" moments in the games for fans that have gone through all the games but it's not required to get into the series thankfully!
First and yeah good picks
I do agree with a lot of them as they are more daunting for newbies, and it’s only best to play them if they are more well versed with said JRPG genre after playing a couple of them.
SMT V is not for the faint of heart for sure. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 was actually pretty accessible from a story perspective until pretty much the very end of the game. I was pretty lost in the DLC though so I'll probably go play the first 2 games at some point
How to play Trails is highly dependent on how much you value story and how upset you will get over spoliers and continuity.
Play release order if those things bother you, if youre only interested in gameplay, play whatever grabbed your attention. Its really that simple.
Loved discussing this a few days back on stream.
What you said about Atlus and their differing versions resonated hard - I didn't even know there were two versions of Persona 5, I just played the free copy I got for buying a PS5 when I did but enjoyed it so damn much I bought Royal anyway and loved it even more - though I do wish I had simply just started with Royal for 2 reasons;
The game is insanely long and requires NG+ to get the most out of it, which was a LOT of hours. The second is Royal has so many gameplay refines just completely change how you play, such as your guns automatically reloading after fights instead of having a limited supply for the entire dungeon run that needed to be used sparingly.
Despite all that I still hold P5 and Xenoblade Chronicles (original) as 2 of the singular greatest RPGs of all time, both are in my top 5 they are simply that good.
And I agree about waiting on SaGa 2, or even starting with SaGa 3 since it's much more forgiving - 2 and 3 are widely considered the best games, but 2 is notorious for also being the most difficult in the franchise which is seriously saying something - I kinda gave up on it personally because it's extremely overwhelming even with a guide.
I love SMT, but I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers either. Newer players may not use buffs or stay on top of fusions, leading to a hard time. The series also doesn't focus on characters and story like many other JRPGs, so I agree that Persona is a better start even though I like SMT more
I actually agree with all of your recommendations.
I only tried Trails in the Sky and Trails of Coldsteel, but didn't like them. Knowing how many hours you need to invest in to get the full story is a big no-no to me.
The only SaGa I played is also Unlimited, and it was just plain horrendous to try. I didn't even play an hour.
I am a big player of HSR as well, but... well, it is a gacha. And no matter how people will say it, I still think it's a kinda bad one. The gacha elements are bad. I stay purely because I have a lot of free time and I like turn based RPGs. But the farming and grindind is awful, and always having to downgrade your expectations as what you can have as a F2P is harsh.
For Xenoblade, my take is different : I just hated the beginning of the first one, so I never played it much.
And finally, as far as SMT5V is concerned, I can't say. I only have played the OG SMT5. But I sure liked it a lot. It is a bit too hard imo to recommend to newcomers, though, I agree.
I think many franchises are not for newcomers, actually, but from the most popular ones, I think that's kinda it. For example, not sure an Etrian Odyssey would be ideal for a first experience, cause it's too hard. Great video, Joe, and have a nice day :D
Yeah definitely want to go with maybe some older completed games you can’t really fully enjoy a incomplete product ie mobile games I love HSR btw day one but still definitely not a great entry point
Also gotta say newer ff games are not a great starting point no matter what ff 15s opening screen says. If you want to start into ff I'd say the pixel remasters or 9 or like you said 10.
hsr, genshin, wuwa are not jrpgs, they are chinese(ur recommending not playing games, that arent even in a category of the topic (its like casually saying yea btw fck this game)). yes those are gachas but are ftp friendly and their stories and worldbuilding are amazing(for me atleast) those games have meaning in it. the gacha aspect can be ignored, there is no real pvp in this game. with time, the endgame is going to be clearable. a lot of latest quests(WORLD QUESTS like those arent even main stories WHICH ARE ALSO VERY GOOD) have left a deep impression to me, that i cant remember when i felt that with ordinary 60 bucks games and even classics like the witcher, good fallout or tes series. genshin and hsr touch onto a lot of philosophical and existential things and can be seen as a yapping session, so if its not ur taste, ok. the complexity of the mechanics is unique and indeed a bit hard, but its fun to figure out how it works and get to know it. those games deserve protection of fans like me.
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This is not supposed to be mean but why is HSR even on this list? Its not a JRPG.
Second of all, I get you dont want to recomment a f2p gacha game due to gambling, absolutely fine but why then, instead of just not mentioning it, go the other way to be against it.
And regarding the items, as someone who played all of Genshin, Honkai, Wuwa and many other gachas at launch, whats so complicated about it? You have mats to level your character, mats to level your weapons and skills, and relics/ equipment to give stats and all off them are clickable in the upgarde screen, they show the location and navigate you to it/teleport you directly to it.
When one talks about a 'Traditional JRPG' it conjures a certain image of a game style, in which HSR firmly fits, it's not necessarily about it's point of origin.
To add to this point, Sea of Stars isn't Japanese either, and not a single person mentioned that in my last video about games I would recommend 😊
@@Joesephyr im not talking about it being chinese and not being japanese, I am thinking more in the lines of seperating Gachas and JRPGS, making Gachas their own category like open world gacha, turn based combat gacha, rpg gacha.
For me, JRPGs need to have the flexibility in characters, teamcompositions, equipment which HSR does have but its locked behind a gacha paywall which for me does not make it a JRPG and instead a mix of RPG and paywall Gacha.
I hope its more understandable now why I think that HSR isnt a perfect fit for this list
@@Joesephyr going over this a bit more in my head, what is a JRPG in 2024, the term feels somewhat outdated, lost its clear definition. Would you say Elden Ring is a JRPG? Is FF16 still a JRPG?
This could be a discussion video in itself, defining what JRPG is in modern times
Agree with every entry in your list; however I must point out that Honkai Star Rail is not a JRPG entry, just an RPG one. Due to MiHoYo being a Chinese company.
According to Japanese people: JRPG is a derogatory term coined by western gaming companies to account for pretty much everything coming from the East.
When using it in a non-derogatory manner it's used to represent a focus on story telling before combat mechanics and rich characters(including the protagonist, most western games are proxy characters).
Outside of all that RPG is RPG. There is no common term for CRPG, and since HSR follows JRPG tropes more than western ones it's all semantics and inconsequential 🤓
*This comment is just as pointless as yours*
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