Probably, but many other top players from Morphy onwards became insane. Perhaps being eccentric, on the cusp of insanity helps creativity and not only in chess.
Fischer was undeniably genius. There were no chess engines in his day, and US chess was under developed at the time, so he learned Russian to read as many Russian chess books as he could get his hands on.
@@fulalbatross put this in context: He did this in the 1960s. There was no one to teach him Russian, no apps, no google translate. He taught himself. What he did was more akin to deciphering a dead language than picking up French in high school.
@@vannerspdude there were still massive library’s with books on everything. He also still had people to help him that’s what people used to do when they wanted to learn they would find someone to teach. It’s a big feat regardless but would require hard work not necessarily genius.
Bobby Fischer had the highest engine accuracy average over 20 games in chess history where he won 20 games in a row and he played in a time that had no chess engine. Isn't that kind of shocking? That despite 15 years of chess engine training, no other player ever achieved that?
You answered it yourself. It is PRECISELY because of chess engine training that no other player has achieved that in recent times. It is a fact that competition is greater nowadays than ever before.
Playing accurately for a win is easier when your opponents don't. Today, playing that accurately at the top level gets you draws, with less accurate novelties and complications being necessary to win games.
@@user-uj5pc7dy2j It's not about 20 game win streak, it's about the highest engine accuracy ever recorded. You can play for a draw and it's still a high level accuracy game.
@@teemupalviainen Again, that's not the point, engine accuracy will give you either a draw or a win. The accuracy level is still high even if it's a draw and the opponents also have a high accuracy level,
Fischer was a 2800-level player in 1972. He was 130-200 pts above other top GMs at the time. 1972 Fischer would very literally be in the argument for the second-best player today. Give him modern engines feeding him the most accurate lines to maximize his natural talent and he's probably the best chess talent ever.
@@IAmTheRealHim Bro, there was not as much competition back then. Compare that to when Bobby fischer was grandmaster, and there was certainly much more competition.
To be fair. Hikaru and any today's SuperGM should mop the floor with Fischer. Yes, he was absolutely great in his era, but nowadays computers have given grand masters unthinkable comprehension of the game.
@@stopmarcus3605 No, he's right. Current Super GMs know lines that Fischer-generation GMs had no clue about. They would be losing straight out of the opening. It's like saying Morphy could still win against current Super GMs whereas, in reality, he would struggle to beat current IMs and probably even FMs at best since no one in that era even had substantial opening theory. The average strength of elite chess masters has grown over the years tremendously with the fast innovation of technology which is why comparing legends of the past with players of the present is usually not a fair comparison.
Look at this clown magnus, he complains fischer wasn't exciting in terms of new ideas, then 1 second later magnus says fischer scores very highly in terms of opening ideas and general ideas about chess. Magnus is a hypocrite.
@bennywolfe4357 I know but just by birth.He went full against Israel and then he was persecuted, something too common from the synagogue of Ha Satan.the offense they committed still remains.They killed an innocent man. JACOB'S trouble will soon commence.Repent and believe in the innocent man that was crucified and died to cover our sins.
Fischer was 150 points above his closest rival, of course he was a genius. He played to over 2700 before GM's learned with the help of engines. If Carlsen had grown up in the 50s and 60s I highly doubt he'd have reached Fischer's level of *genius* and he also had something Carlsen will never have - a personality.
I'm completely amazed at how little credit is given to Bobby Fischer for his writing a chess column for Boy's Life, the monthly magazine for Boy Scouts in the United States. A lot is written about how it was some kind of Cold War competition and he put the Soviet Union's best in their rightful place causing extraordinary attention in the western press. But his column written for young people made chess playing 'cool', to the extent that anything targeted at Boy Scouts could be considered cool.
Had Fischer grown up with computers like this generation he would've beaten every last single one of these Super GMs. Fischer was a self taught genius.
Fischer had the largest dominance gap in strength over his opponents since Paul Morphy, much larger than Carlsen's today against Caruana or Karjakin. Two top-level GM blowouts in the 1971 candidates: Taimonov (6-0), Larsen (6-0), and all without engine prep, not to mention smashing Tigran Petrosian, who had been considered literally indestructible before Spassky. Then, guess what? He smashed Spassy too after throwing him a few games. He singlehandedly dismantled the entire Soviet chess machine like a toy. IMO Fischer should score higher on genius rating.
Magnus: His games weren't exciting in terms of new ideas Bobby: Created game of the Century at mere age of 13 (Consisering that Era, Bobby was an absolute beast. Without any super gm's help, he climbed the ladder alone as a a mad Genius. Sitting and plying with himself. As if chess wanted him to play the game)
What Magnus and many other grandmasters at that level is so reluctant and afraid to say, is that it is possible to be a genius and a chess-worldchampion despite that you´re psychologically ill. Admit it Magnus, Kasparov and others. You´re afraid of him, because it shakes you in your root, that being unnormal can be an advantage in chess. You all envy him. None of you have bully-punched players like Larsen, Taimanov and Petrosian the way Fischer did and sent shockwaves through the entire chess-world. I don´t see Fischer as a less gifted attacking-player than Magnus. On the contrary. If Tal could tear Karpov totally apart as he sometimes did, then why shouldn´t Fischer be able to tear apart Karpov or Magnus when he plays his best?
Actually that was how Fisher had success was studying weakness of Spassky... Fisher was neither an intuitive great...nor a mind who could live breathe and perceive the living grid of chess. How many can succeed to win blindfolded one to levels that Magnus demonstrates... ? Live classical play against Magnus would be valuable tool to eliminate mentally incompetent "governmental" employed persons., Preelected evaluations... Let alone will Magnus care to problem solve for Earth Life Nations etc? Thank You Magnus & Carlsen family for sharing your lives
@@MorphyMakesMegasi guess morphy influenced for fischer most likely but fischer influenced for future chess there is even fischer 980 chess made by fischer that the most popular part of chess game and let alone many modern chess player mention fischer as their inspiration and impact fischer has the biggest impact as much l know
Every time I see, or hear vids, articles, stories about Bobby Fischer I get a irrepressable sense of greatness... genius beyond defintiions. Bobby, to me, also brings a 'compelling' component to his charisma. Meaning there's a 'presence' to him which intrigues and urges one's curiousity to find out more. This other guy has no such vibe. And, the audacity to analyze and rate Bobby Fischer is akin to taking apart a Stradavarius to explain why it's considered to be the best/greatest/most remarkable violin of all time. Some things are sacred. Bobby was on a quantum level. Once you try and 'observe' or define him his reactions change accordingly. Thusly, his true mystique still remains illusive and irreproachable... and can never be truly comphrehended with 'logic'. Only awe and wonder, by those who believe in a higher power can really appreciate such a legendary legacy...
Magnus probably isn’t giving him enough credit. It’s like someone running a 9.9 100 meter dash fifty years ago. Yeah, there are guys who can beat that time today but they have better everything: Better tracks, better shoes, better training, better diet, better drugs…
He is not genius. Like yes he is extremely smart but not 10/10 or something on the scale. Hard work ≠ Genius. Because of his hard work he has achieved so far not because he was born genius.
Bobby's father published a review of the entire Encyclopedia Britannica. He played the Game of the Century when he was 14-years-old. No super grandmaster has ever beat another in a competitive match by a score of 6-0 or anything close. Fischer did it twice, including against the World #4 at the time. When he played Spassky he was 125-points ahead of Spassky, who was the World #2. That would be the equivalent of Magnus being rated 2926. TLDR: Bobby was a 10 in genius. He also, along with everything else, is credited with creating the variation that likely is going to be the version played mainly at top level events in the future. He's a 10 in influence as well. To say he was a 10 in entertainment value shouldn't even require explanation, but his match against Spassky in 1971 was global news.
It’s unfair to give him a 7. Carlson’s game only based on computer programs and that’s how they all played now. The old players had their own ideas. That’s much more interesting. Apart from that Fischer was so much more charismatic as a human being.
He worked extremely hard. One of the most hard-working players ever. I'm sure he had great talent, but his work ethics was virtually unparalleled. It strikes me as a bit unfair to just pack it all into a "genius" category, as if it came to him by itself.
Magnus is correct here: you must be insane in destroying all Russian grandmasters in a single tournament. So yes Bobby Fischer is insanely GREAT! Bobby Fischer at the age of twelve would beat Magnus in his prime. Magnus Carlsen is the product of computer engine. In Fischer's time there's no such thing as computer chess engine.
Bobby's influence on chess is 10/10. No other player in history exploded chess interest like him. Every single player of the 70s until today attribute him as their inspiration. All the kids who started in the 90s and 2000s were a product of the coaches and masters who were influenced by Fischer.
Giving Fischer a 9 out of 10 on his impact and influence of the game is actually insanity itself! Fischer influenced the game more so than anyone before or since.
International Chess got popularized because of him he alone made chess headlines in the time where newspaper were all about wars and other stuffs He made time increment which is so crucial right now Due to his influence the world championship got new format He literally made the fisher random chess Any chess player who plays the game will hear the name fisher even after his regime @@tekashi828
Based on his other rankings I have a feeling that Magnus isn't thinking of "genius" as just "talent" per se, but as something that also includes a degree of creativity and players being ahead of their time in developing theory and stuff. Fischer probably loses points in Magnus' view there, despite being such an amazingly precise player. Kasparov, who Magnus still thinks is the GOAT, is probably the player Magnus is comparing everyone else against.
Fischer was way ahead in all those categories, I am a USCF Chess Expert, I am not nearly as strong as Magnus, but I have an understanding of the game and that comment is absurd. Fischer was a 10 if there ever was one, you could argue 9, but even that is pushing it. Magnus is incredible, but he has also had the aide of computers and all the modern books and theory.
@@adrianamatlack532 don’t all gms have that nowadays? Heck, even Kasparov did in his late reign. Magnus is n1 in era of chess engines where all his games can be studied by his opponents. In your eyes it’s an advantage to Carlsen? I’d say the opposite.
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 Having all that is a huge advantage for Carlson, especially with his memory and learning. I am USCF Chess Expert rated over 2100 something, I have been playing since the early 90s, and without a doubt the average players play went up greatly when engines like Fritz came out about 10 years later. I know there is no way I would have got as good as I did without engines, but the real chess match would be Fischer and Carlson in a Fischer Random chess match. I think it would be even. Also do not forget that Fischer was up against all the greatest Soviet chess players who were looking at his games, do you think that is not a huge disadvantage? To this day some of Fischer's best games still confuse computers at certain points. This game in fact, and it's far more beautiful and brilliant than anything I have seen from Magnus ruclips.net/video/EMDJebpc4oQ/видео.html
@@adrianamatlack532 I'd also put Fischer at a 9 or 10 personally, but I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say there. Fischer had a few games where he experimented with things like the Larsen Attack, and there was his famous bust to the King's Gambit, but overall he was known as someone who liked to play a certain way and he stuck to it. I once saw a Soviet player in retrospect say that if Fischer liked to eat eggs for breakfast, so to speak, he would haven eaten eggs for breakfast every day. Even though I'd agree Fischer was a genius for having developed all his knowledge by himself, and for the fact that he was leagues ahead of the competition at the time, I think Magnus' comment is best explained by his having a certain idea of what "genius" is to him, which fits someone like Kasparov a little better, as opposed to being a knock on Fischer's playing ability.
@@michaellisinski2822 Many said that kind of nonsense, he showed them all by crushing Spasky with d4. Fact is that no one ever dominated so many strong opponents the way Fischer did. Capablanca and Morphy did not have the same level of competition. Also people said that Tal was not a great positional player, buy Vladimir Kramnik said that Tal was a great positional player, and he was. I was saying that for many years before. It makes me laugh how people trash talk Fischer when there is no doubt they would have no chance against him when he was in his prime. I played at the Marshall and Manhattan clubs, I know Asa and all those people.
@@zemm9003 Absolutely. A 1972 player would not fare well against a 2024 player. That's obvious. You would have to give Fischer the same preparation as modern GMs have, or take away all the preparation modern GMs have to get an equal playing field. The latter would almost certainly be dominated by Fischer, while the former wouldn't be a contest since Fischer would quit.
Magnus knows infinitely more about Chess than me, so he's probably correct, but calling Fischer "not that much of a genius" is slander in my opinion. Fischer was just some kid living with his mom in a small New York apartment and he took down the Soviet chess machine and made it look easy, all while he had clear and obvious mental health issues. If Fischer didn't go crazy and become a recluse, there's no telling how many years he could've remained world champion.
He didn't go crazy. He just didn't want to represent America in chess anymore. He felt like America only used him to take down the soviets in chess. That's the main reason he stopped playing. The American government wouldn't even let him visit Russia to play his friend Boris Spasky, and when he did they tried to get him arrested and sent to jail. Why do you think he left America? They thought he was a spy or something 😂
I agree.I'm negatively surprised about Magnus' opinion here. Bobby pretty much taught himself yet managed to tear down the entire Soviet chess machine. You don't have to know a lot about chess to know the guy was a genius
@@user-vt4hd8hb4v he didn't. That is propaganda. He dodged facing Karpov who had a record against Spassky of about 23-8-1 or something crazy like that.
@@zemm9003 Wdym he didn't? Karpov was a wc challenger after Fischer already won it. Fischer dodged chess altogether at that point and it's absurd to think that someone of his ego would be afraid of facing Karpov thinking he's a better player.
@@user-vt4hd8hb4v nope. He dodged Karpov specifically. Karpov was far above all other players of his or previous generations and he was younger than Fischer. If it weren't for Kasparov existing, Karpov would have likely been the longest reigning Champion of all time.
I think you’d be surprised. I think it would be close. I’d have to give Magnus the edge just because of his incredible clutch ability and bizarre unpredictable tactics.
Fischer was insane in terms of getting better and studying. He was analyzing all on his own with boards and mind. With access to engines and considering his sanity, he would not only catch up but become #1 in no time. Comparing accuracies of games that was played 50 years apart would not give any accurate results. Fischer was a genius who was ahead of his time just like Morphy. Magnus isn't. He is just good and thats all.
No, he wouldn’t smoke him, however he could beat Carlsen, just as Carlsen could beat him. Childhood similarities. Bobby made his mom proud, and Magnus made his Pops proud. Both little physical attributes while high mental astuteness.
Bobby fisher is probably the greatest chess player of all time for the same reason that Babe Ruth is probably the greatest baseball player of all time. Neither one of them compare to the top players today but they were so far ahead of their peers.
Yea that doesnt matter. Its exactly like you said ‘greatest of all time’ not ‘greatest of their time.’ Bobby doesnt stand a chance agains Kasparov, and Kasparov doesnt stand a chance against Magnus.
It’s the same in all competitive pursuits. Ali is the Greatest, but not the best. Mayweather ranking him is very similar to Magnus ranking Ali, “he lost fights!”. Pure ego.
Give BF in his prime access to the data & electronics that today’s players have and he’d crush them. Moreover, there’s a reason why his random position game never caught on; Players are too afraid to think for themselves & not be able to move by memory.
to be hnoest as a middle eastern i can see him as genuis when i connect the dots that he said a smart statement like that, 9/11 wasn't great cause innocent people died , but as he said it's great cause it's a response of what USA policies did to a lot part of the world, not here to praise Russia nor China both of them are even worse than USA for human rights vision but still USA policies are one of the major reasons a lot of countries now are ruled by dictators @@MorbiusBlueBalls
@@MorbiusBlueBalls You shouldn't discredit everything someone says because of some bad things. He was extremely good at Chess and had an IQ of over 180, which is higher than Einstein's. He was, in fact, a genius who played Chess.
@@qwerty-qt9ez yes Kasparov is great. rassia is dictatorship and Kasparov uses his influence to change the world for Better. it's pathetic that you compared Kasparov to bobby Fischer
"Capablanca-like quality" - interesting how, in the context of how Magnus is putting it, he sees the level of genius in Capablanca. And how Fischer has a bit of that, but not fully.
Bobby was a "monster" persona. People liking him is their opinion. But if unbiased evaluations are possible of these opinionated persons truth would prevail. one can hear Bobby Fisher speak for his self... Living ones life is the example all and any have to know feel re: another May All have a healthy expression of their abilities in life in support Earth Life to. Continue supporting All Life.
Bobby Fischer had the highest intellect in chess And highest IQ chess player ... Even Magnus can't beat bobby Fischer intellect in chess Fischer dominated his era There's no way u give him a 7 in genius
@@yesandno1414 Hey, I could be wrong. But I can't think of anyone other than Fischer for making the biggest international impact on chess. Morphy's reputation precedes him, Capablanca and Alekhine/Botvinnik made chess a spectacle in their nations. But so did Fischer, and Morphy is American anyway, so being American has no influence either way there. At the end of the day, I think Fischer had the biggest impact on the game itself, bringing real money and respect to the game. Fischer's impact on chess as an international phenomenon was like Babe Ruth taking baseball to the live-ball era from the dead-ball era of Ty Cobb. Yes, another American example, I know. But still, I don't see how I can be wrong about this. Who would you say, Kasparov, Anand, or Magnus maybe?
@@CosmoHeist Neither did Bobby faced as many strong grandmasters as Magnus faced, and everyone has access to that technology why cant everyone be Magnus. Don't be stupid
Fischer excelled in an era without stockfish. The 20-0 he won was with his raw genius in chess. Comparing Carlsen or any other GM in the top 10 against Fischer is stupid.
normies really out here theorizing whether Bobby or Magnus dunks on the other one. this is not a shonen anime. Magnus has indefinitely more credibility than any of you on the subject
I do think that magnus is better but if it comes to who is the better prodigy it will go to fisher. If we take prime fisher and magnus, magnus will win however if Bobby had chess engines and given 6 months to prepare then Bobby will win 9/10 times.
@@Orlando-zo7etI would say if I studied very well, I could have been a great man by now. But that doesn't prove anything. I didn't study well and even if I studied well there was no guarantee. Fisher was a genius no doubt but he hated the idea of memorizing lines. Even if you give him the resources, he would not have. Do you think, 6 months is enough to learn all the chess lines to beat Magnus? Magnus memorizes lines but if you watch him play he stray away from engines lines to beat his opponent. You guys are undermining him too much. Magnus is a great player with or without chess theory thats why he has been dominating the chess world for so long. And, if Bobby was born as the same time as Magnus there's no guarantee that he'd play chess. The same thing for Magnus if he was born in Fischer's time. The only thing I can say for sure is Magnus is a better chess player than Fischer. There's no comparison. Magnus has the advantage because he has more resources but it is what it is. Magnus is better than Fischer or any other chess better. I'm sure in the future, there will be better players better than Magnus too.
Genius 10 Entertaining 9.5 Influence 10 Sanity 7 (he was a little nutty, even if there is more truth to his claims than a lot of normies would like to admit) If Bobby had kept playing, Karpov probably would have never become a World Chess Champion, so any accolades that Karpov has would have been added to Bobby's accolades & he would have no peers. (At the very least, Bobby would have gobbled up 50% or more of Karpov's accolades.) In his latter years, he was also crushing his opponents in a way that no chess player has since, even Kasparov & Carlsen.
Everyone states that today's technology has helped Magnus become better than 99.9% of the people that played in the past, may be true in terms of higher ratings, but the fact that everyone is on the same playing level and he still is dominating the ratings is what makes Magnus in a class with Kasparov. The top 40 current ranking, Magnus is the only one in the 2800's.
@@mayer7196 But that completely defeats your argument of being on an equal playing field. You're contradicting yourself. Fisher was on an equal playing field and he absolutely dominated in a way nobody has ever managed to do since, including Magnus. And compared to Magnus he basically had to teach himself to boot against Soviets with their entire state backing them. He was literally 125 points ahead of the 2nd highest rated player, Boris Spassky. If Fischer had all the resources Magnus had during his growth, on an equal playing field, there's no doubt in my mind he would have came up on top as the superior chess player.
@@VG_164 What i am saying is the reason the gap isn't as wide now with Carlson compared to when Fischer was around was because Fischer was way ahead of his time. Todays chess, everyone is better, Carlson has to compete against world class chess players, while Fischer had just a handful to worry about
There are many great chess players in history and you can rate them however you want, but there’s one player that can’t really be rated like that. The fact that he was so far ahead of his time and so far ahead of his contemporaries puts him in a category all his own. This player will be in chess books for the ages, a true prodigy that by far has had the most influence on the game. Chess players and World Champions alike study his games to this day and no matter what anyone says about him Paul Morphy will forever live in chess infamy!
Carlsen's whole style is thanks to Fischer's genius discovery you don't need dramatic but sometimes dubious tactical attacks to win, as was the style up until him, but instead it's better to play solid, simple chess, accumulate advantages and grind it out. If Fischer's genius is a 7 then Carlsen's is 6.
Kasparov himself said on Lex's podcast that Magnus is a lethal combination of Fisher and Karpov so he is definitely better than Fisher. To say Carlsen is a 6 on genius is just absurd. Just listen to what other grandmasters have to say about him and try to cope with it.
@@Pirhah the longer time moves forward the more sense he makes. You underestimate him because someone brainwashed you in to believing that anyone who is anti dem itic is insane. Maybe do your homework and stop being a coward
Of course he was a genius. But, genius is rated by the production they leave behind, not talent. What did he contribute with? Maybe not as much as others, like Kasparov, Petrov, Alkekhin? I dont know, just trying to understand his rating.
Bobby Fischer is a great player, but please remember that Fischer's name can be very popular because it was a part of US propaganda during the cold war vs Soviet. At that time, Soviet dominated chess (Spassky, etc.). Chess is an intellectual sport that considered as a symbol of nation supremacy (look at China and India right now). I think Magnus score is very fair
I think Fischer is so famous mostly because he really hed an elo of 2780 in 1972. 2780 even now is rare, you ad inflation. And his rating is better than Magnus. Fischer also retired after he became champ. He's an enigma.
@@ereh11at that time fisher was more then 100 elo above any other player, which magnus hasn't achieved, and that elo inflation could be y magnus is higher rated
Magnus is an outlier with insane memory. Ding lucked out, that WCC against Ian could have easily gone either way. As far as India goes, didn't yall invent chess? You better be good at it. Despite all this, The best chess player ever was an American. His name was Bobby Fisher. He was 400 rating points higher than the world number 2. Magnus.... only 50 😆
If you transported Magnus back to Fischer's time, well before Magnus's wealth of knowledge of past games, when the game was still evolving and its landscape still needed pioneering, Fischer would've made this guy eat his words and refute him in real time. And remember, Fischer didn't have the wealth of past games to Magnus's extent, nor computers to learn from or practice with, but plain old rolling-up of the sleeves and hard study and work in those old relics called books.
Sanity? When he competed Fischer was extremely correct, fabulously well groomed and respectful of his opponents across the board. No doubt the Soviet strategems drove him crazy which explains his outbursts in 1972. His life after that is irrelevant to the chess world. 10/10 hands down.
Bobby Fischer is a beast and an absolute legend. People overrate Bobby Fischer highly because he's an American. Bobby Fischer beat Boris Spassky (an Underrated Legend) who is not a top ten player of all time. Bobby Fischer would have not beaten Anatoly Karpov, many people are not ready to this quite part loud. To me Bobby Fischer is in the same league of legends as Jose Raul Capablanca and Alexander Alkhine but not in the same league as Garry Kasparov or Magnus Carlsen. Magnus Carlsen is ridiculously good and Garry Kasparov had amazing appetite for confrontation and winning.
Fischer is best of the best of all time, compared how usa chess was underdeveloped and USSR chess was overdeveloped, his wonderful tactics against spasky, who never recovered from the lost, he even said bobby fischer used hypnosis on him
FYI, Magnus had a 16 points lead While Bobby had 126 back in the day That is unprecedented and will never be replicated again. If Bobby was not a genius, then idk who is. But we can’t deny it, Magnus is the best chess player in history.
This guy is everything Bobby Fischer despised about what had become of chess. Magnus is only where he is because of theory, it's become a ridiculous memorization game.
Unlike modern chess, which is 90% memorization and calculation, bobby played actuall chess, when theory was young, no engines, and required thinking outside the box to win
If it's that simple why isn't everybody 2700? Why is every game a novelty by move 15? Modern day players are just better because that's the way evolution works. Influence wise, Fischer is huge but Carlsen would destroy Fischer in a match. Any 2700 GM would too its just the way a gane evolves
My base rating with no chess knowledge whatsoever was 1200 😂. I didn't even know what an "en passant" was. I can't even imagine being under 1100 , because it's never happened, I think my lowest rating ever was like 1192 or something.
Bobby Fischer dominated more than Carlsen in his era he won against everyone with insane scores and without a single loss 6-0 etc as an example I mean Carlsen can beat anyone but 6-0 I doubt that very much. Genius rating for Fischer is 100% a 10 no discussion
Magnus has explicity stated that he does not believe there to be any inherent difference between men and women which causes men to perform better. Instead, he acknowledges and cites the lack of support and opportunities in chess given to girls compared to boys.
Let's be real.. Bobby had that thing only geniuses have. In the sense of he lacked in other areas, but in terms of chess he was the best ever. Period. Just like let's say Tyson Fury in boxing.. He's crazy asf but he's touched by god in terms of boxing
Magnus is a product of engines and memorization. Bobby had no engine help. He literally beat all of the top players of his generation even though they cheated and worked together to try and beat him. Think about that. Magnus gets bent out of shape and leaves tournaments when he THINKS people are cheating. Bobby knew all the Russians were analyzing his games together and trying to figure out how to beat him, but he still beat them all. What Bobby did will never be repeated. Truly a mad genius.
he crushed the whole Russian chess school by literally himself… not having dozens of gm backing you up during championship candidates matches… that’s quite an accomplishment GOAT
there is a reason why there are names for generations like gen x gen z or gen alpha...... bobby won't be able to in modern days. engine and stuff too much....
@@Arthur-zu6wg Magnus is human, yes? Bobby was human, yes? Give Bobby Fischer 2 or 3 years starting today to research and study modern theory, engines, other players, etc. And then see how well Bobby does in competitive chess. I think the world would be astonished once again.
@@coffeetalk924you just can’t claim that as known one knows what would happen. And, Bobby fisher was not like a crazy genius born with talent or something. He was a self trained hard working man who achieved his goals because of hard work . Hard work ≠ Genius
Fischers performance in the candidates on his way to the world championship was a level of phenomenal that has never been surpassed again. Naturally Carlsen has a right to his opinion but also you’ve got to recognize his bias. Look at the chess and not the person, people throw around the word genius but that’s just a word. Look at the chess. Crystal clear dominance over everyone and obviously outclassing Tal, Petrosian, and all other “geniuses “ of his era.
Bobby Fischer is the reason why sanity rating is there💀
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Probably, but many other top players from Morphy onwards became insane. Perhaps being eccentric, on the cusp of insanity helps creativity and not only in chess.
When Bobby Fischer being well-rounded is a 4 💀
Magnus knows Bobby’s well rounded in another area because he likes men
@@bobbyjonas2323huh?
@@ogbmt Magnus is gay. He likes men. So he knows how well rounded Bobby is in his lower area
@@bobbyjonas2323 what did you have smoke
@@damianoledda5497 he tried way too hard to make a "funny joke"
Fischer was undeniably genius. There were no chess engines in his day, and US chess was under developed at the time, so he learned Russian to read as many Russian chess books as he could get his hands on.
Learning a language might be ambitious, but definitely not a definition of genius.
@@fulalbatross put this in context: He did this in the 1960s. There was no one to teach him Russian, no apps, no google translate. He taught himself. What he did was more akin to deciphering a dead language than picking up French in high school.
@@vannerspdeciphering a dead language 😂😂😂😂 are you on drugs?
@@vannerspdude there were still massive library’s with books on everything. He also still had people to help him that’s what people used to do when they wanted to learn they would find someone to teach. It’s a big feat regardless but would require hard work not necessarily genius.
@@fulalbatross he had an estimated IQ of 180, pretty genius to me
They literally used Bobby as a cold war weapon 🥶
Propaganda tool.
A PR hype.
What great comment.
Bobby Fischer had the highest engine accuracy average over 20 games in chess history where he won 20 games in a row and he played in a time that had no chess engine.
Isn't that kind of shocking? That despite 15 years of chess engine training, no other player ever achieved that?
You answered it yourself. It is PRECISELY because of chess engine training that no other player has achieved that in recent times. It is a fact that competition is greater nowadays than ever before.
Playing accurately for a win is easier when your opponents don't. Today, playing that accurately at the top level gets you draws, with less accurate novelties and complications being necessary to win games.
@@user-uj5pc7dy2j It's not about 20 game win streak, it's about the highest engine accuracy ever recorded.
You can play for a draw and it's still a high level accuracy game.
@@teemupalviainen Again, that's not the point, engine accuracy will give you either a draw or a win. The accuracy level is still high even if it's a draw and the opponents also have a high accuracy level,
which 20 games are you refering to?
Bobby would call Magnus an idiot savant if he were alive today.
Calling someone an idiot doesn’t make them one. For example I can call you an ignorant fool for writing this comment 🤷🏻♀️
He already said when he said no more creativity in chess
Bobby would get crushed by Magnus if he were alive today
@@stianaandal1488 he'd get crushed by most super gms
Ironically Magnus is far more well-rounded, well-adjusted, and sane than Fischer was (and a better chess player to boot)
Fischer was a 2800-level player in 1972. He was 130-200 pts above other top GMs at the time. 1972 Fischer would very literally be in the argument for the second-best player today. Give him modern engines feeding him the most accurate lines to maximize his natural talent and he's probably the best chess talent ever.
we don't know that so it doesn't matter, kasparov and magnus clear him
@@buzwemaka7264 No they don't. Has Magnus or Kasparov ever win with a 130 point lead??? Fisher would beat both of them.
@@calicoesblue4703????
@@calicoesblue4703by that logic Paul Morphy is the greatest… he’s estimated to have been 400 points above all of his competition worldwide.
@@IAmTheRealHim Bro, there was not as much competition back then. Compare that to when Bobby fischer was grandmaster, and there was certainly much more competition.
Hikaru: everyone is great but I would smoke them I'm pretty sure
did he really has said that?🧐
@@neolord50pro77 no, but it's his mentality
To be fair. Hikaru and any today's SuperGM should mop the floor with Fischer. Yes, he was absolutely great in his era, but nowadays computers have given grand masters unthinkable comprehension of the game.
@@gonzalotapia1250 Fischer would still win
@@stopmarcus3605 No, he's right. Current Super GMs know lines that Fischer-generation GMs had no clue about. They would be losing straight out of the opening. It's like saying Morphy could still win against current Super GMs whereas, in reality, he would struggle to beat current IMs and probably even FMs at best since no one in that era even had substantial opening theory. The average strength of elite chess masters has grown over the years tremendously with the fast innovation of technology which is why comparing legends of the past with players of the present is usually not a fair comparison.
He wasn't a chess genius after all he was a genius playing chess
That's what Bobby himself said in the interview that we both watched.
Look at this clown magnus, he complains fischer wasn't exciting in terms of new ideas, then 1 second later magnus says fischer scores very highly in terms of opening ideas and general ideas about chess. Magnus is a hypocrite.
@@scottwarren4998 Magnus just rated Bobby wrongly.
Did that guy Magnus ever speak on anything else besides chess?!
@@swires1he called Bobby Fischer mildly well rounded
Being 170 elo point better then the competition is more then a 7 lol
Yeah, I think he's just a ridiculous arrogant, liar and jealous... Not satisfied with being somewhere in the top five with Bobby above him
Carlsen standing on the shoulders of giants... he's extremely arrogant
We all know if magnus was rating some other player there would be no mention about sanity😂
Wrong.
Watch the original video, he even gets to rate himself.
And yes, for sanity too.
I think he gave himself an 8.
Sanity exists because he criticized tge jews.simple
@@patriciozazzini3182he was also jewish😂
@@bennywolfe4357that's why his tribesmen labelled him "insane". He was telling secrets to the dumb cattle.
@bennywolfe4357 I know but just by birth.He went full against Israel and then he was persecuted, something too common from the synagogue of Ha Satan.the offense they committed still remains.They killed an innocent man. JACOB'S trouble will soon commence.Repent and believe in the innocent man that was crucified and died to cover our sins.
Fischer was 150 points above his closest rival, of course he was a genius. He played to over 2700 before GM's learned with the help of engines. If Carlsen had grown up in the 50s and 60s I highly doubt he'd have reached Fischer's level of *genius* and he also had something Carlsen will never have - a personality.
Wtf did magnus do to you 😂
That's like bragging about the Celtics beating on crappy teams in the NBA before the expansion. Magnus would annihilate him, but keep coping 😂
Magnus just trashed his reputation in my eyes.
I'm completely amazed at how little credit is given to Bobby Fischer for his writing a chess column for Boy's Life, the monthly magazine for Boy Scouts in the United States.
A lot is written about how it was some kind of Cold War competition and he put the Soviet Union's best in their rightful place causing extraordinary attention in the western press. But his column written for young people made chess playing 'cool', to the extent that anything targeted at Boy Scouts could be considered cool.
@@Jk-qx7gmI'd love to see a list of your accomplishments if you have so much right to speak
Bobby isn't praised because he was an antisemitist
Great story, I hadn't heard that one.
I think it's because of his anti-Semitism in his male chauvinism and ideas of that nature are unpopular and make people discredit him.
Had Fischer grown up with computers like this generation he would've beaten every last single one of these Super GMs. Fischer was a self taught genius.
Fischer had the largest dominance gap in strength over his opponents since Paul Morphy, much larger than Carlsen's today against Caruana or Karjakin. Two top-level GM blowouts in the 1971 candidates: Taimonov (6-0), Larsen (6-0), and all without engine prep, not to mention smashing Tigran Petrosian, who had been considered literally indestructible before Spassky. Then, guess what? He smashed Spassy too after throwing him a few games. He singlehandedly dismantled the entire Soviet chess machine like a toy. IMO Fischer should score higher on genius rating.
Magnus: His games weren't exciting in terms of new ideas
Bobby: Created game of the Century at mere age of 13
(Consisering that Era, Bobby was an absolute beast. Without any super gm's help, he climbed the ladder alone as a a mad Genius. Sitting and plying with himself. As if chess wanted him to play the game)
"all i want to do, ever, is play chess." -bobby Fischer.
Magnus hating at 100% accuracy
I don't understand the Magnus evaluations here at all lol. But I guess I'm not at a level to judge.
@@LordDeuce-ul7my “i hate chess”- bobby fischer
What Magnus and many other grandmasters at that level is so reluctant and afraid to say, is that it is possible to be a genius and a chess-worldchampion despite that you´re psychologically ill. Admit it Magnus, Kasparov and others. You´re afraid of him, because it shakes you in your root, that being unnormal can be an advantage in chess. You all envy him. None of you have bully-punched players like Larsen, Taimanov and Petrosian the way Fischer did and sent shockwaves through the entire chess-world. I don´t see Fischer as a less gifted attacking-player than Magnus. On the contrary. If Tal could tear Karpov totally apart as he sometimes did, then why shouldn´t Fischer be able to tear apart Karpov or Magnus when he plays his best?
Shame Bobby Fischer no longer here for all this to be said to his face!!!
Booby Fischer
Fischer was correct , chess has become boring just turning into a contest of who is better at memorization.
Actually that was how Fisher had success was studying weakness of Spassky...
Fisher was neither an intuitive great...nor a mind who could live breathe and perceive the living grid of chess.
How many can succeed to win blindfolded one to levels that Magnus demonstrates... ?
Live classical play against Magnus would be valuable tool to
eliminate mentally incompetent "governmental" employed persons., Preelected evaluations...
Let alone will Magnus care to problem solve for Earth Life Nations etc?
Thank You Magnus & Carlsen family for sharing your lives
You got it, that's why he re-invented Chess with his Chess960. I do NOT play, as Bobby termed it "the old Chess"!
Fischer shouldve got a 10 on influence. Not many more influential people in chess.
Morphy had more influence than Fischer. Fischer himself considered Morphy the most influential
@@MorphyMakesMegasi guess morphy influenced for fischer most likely
but fischer influenced for future chess
there is even fischer 980 chess made by fischer that the most popular part of chess game
and let alone many modern chess player mention fischer as their inspiration and impact
fischer has the biggest impact as much l know
10 in genius too
@@MorphyMakesMegasjust becoz morphy is more influential doesn't mean Bobby isnt also 10/10 in influential
@@MorphyMakesMegas Who is Morphy
Every time I see, or hear vids, articles, stories about Bobby Fischer I get a irrepressable sense of greatness... genius beyond defintiions. Bobby, to me, also brings a 'compelling' component to his charisma. Meaning there's a 'presence' to him which intrigues and urges one's curiousity to find out more.
This other guy has no such vibe. And, the audacity to analyze and rate Bobby Fischer is akin to taking apart a Stradavarius to explain why it's considered to be the best/greatest/most remarkable violin of all time.
Some things are sacred. Bobby was on a quantum level. Once you try and 'observe' or define him his reactions change accordingly. Thusly, his true mystique still remains illusive and irreproachable... and can never be truly comphrehended with 'logic'. Only awe and wonder, by those who believe in a higher power can really appreciate such a legendary legacy...
Spot on. Got you this 🍺
If Bobby Fischer could study Stockfish he would destroy Magnus. Genius 10/10
Pretty sure if given the option he'd rather shoot himself since that represents everything he disliked about where chess was going
Booby Fischer
Magnus probably isn’t giving him enough credit. It’s like someone running a 9.9 100 meter dash fifty years ago. Yeah, there are guys who can beat that time today but they have better everything: Better tracks, better shoes, better training, better diet, better drugs…
Gringo nationalism off the charts
He is not genius.
Like yes he is extremely smart but not 10/10 or something on the scale.
Hard work ≠ Genius.
Because of his hard work he has achieved so far not because he was born genius.
Bobby's father published a review of the entire Encyclopedia Britannica. He played the Game of the Century when he was 14-years-old. No super grandmaster has ever beat another in a competitive match by a score of 6-0 or anything close. Fischer did it twice, including against the World #4 at the time. When he played Spassky he was 125-points ahead of Spassky, who was the World #2. That would be the equivalent of Magnus being rated 2926. TLDR: Bobby was a 10 in genius. He also, along with everything else, is credited with creating the variation that likely is going to be the version played mainly at top level events in the future. He's a 10 in influence as well. To say he was a 10 in entertainment value shouldn't even require explanation, but his match against Spassky in 1971 was global news.
Nah magnus has it spot on the money here. Although for sanity id give him a 6
@@colmlooney5843 You have no reasoning at all.
@@EGarrett01 sorry I dont post thesis statements on yt comment sections like an actual degenerate
@@colmlooney5843Wow, you think that's a "thesis statement?" Thinking is tough for you, huh?
@@colmlooney5843for like you can'r read more than 6 Lines of text
How the heck was Fischer not a genius, who then is a genius.
As Magnus mentioned - Capablanca, and I'd say - Alekhine.
Einstein, tesla, turing, darwin
@@MorbiusBlueBallsDarwin? He even admitted on his death bed that the theory of evolution is nonsense
@@Jake-py4lf ok flat earther creationist
He said he's not that big of a genius
It’s unfair to give him a 7. Carlson’s game only based on computer programs and that’s how they all played now. The old players had their own ideas. That’s much more interesting. Apart from that Fischer was so much more charismatic as a human being.
Charismatic doesn't mean genius
I would have ranked him first on the genius level
He worked extremely hard. One of the most hard-working players ever. I'm sure he had great talent, but his work ethics was virtually unparalleled. It strikes me as a bit unfair to just pack it all into a "genius" category, as if it came to him by itself.
Tf do you know lmfao
talent and skill is different
@@joephillippe what
@@waldoman7 bro cant read apparently
Bobby Fischer: Pretty strong words, Cro-Magnus man.
Best comment lol cro magnus lol
Magnus is correct here: you must be insane in destroying all Russian grandmasters in a single tournament. So yes Bobby Fischer is insanely GREAT! Bobby Fischer at the age of twelve would beat Magnus in his prime. Magnus Carlsen is the product of computer engine. In Fischer's time there's no such thing as computer chess engine.
Bobby's influence on chess is 10/10. No other player in history exploded chess interest like him. Every single player of the 70s until today attribute him as their inspiration. All the kids who started in the 90s and 2000s were a product of the coaches and masters who were influenced by Fischer.
Hikaru>>>
@@boilingman972 you clearly didn't read my comment
Giving Fischer a 9 out of 10 on his impact and influence of the game is actually insanity itself! Fischer influenced the game more so than anyone before or since.
more than anand?
@@tekashi828 yes
10 is apparently reserved for the guy who invented chess
International Chess got popularized because of him
he alone made chess headlines in the time where newspaper were all about wars and other stuffs
He made time increment which is so crucial right now
Due to his influence the world championship got new format
He literally made the fisher random chess
Any chess player who plays the game will hear the name fisher even after his regime
@@tekashi828
Fischer born in the modern era with engines and computers I believe would be just as devastating and would challenge Magnus
Probably, but it could also be that his particular style, ego and learning method is not perfectly alligned with modern day tools?
What about Morphy with modern engines and computers? He would smoke anyone!
He’d beat Magnus
If my grandma had been made of 30 tons of steel and had road wheels she would have been a T34 Tank.
@@los1wochos That may be true but no one knows her. All know Fischer
influence he's an 11 out of 10. stop it
I find it shocking that Bobby is considered underrated by the masters today. He literally. beat all of Russia all by himself
Because of the juuus anybody who praises him would be libelled for antisemitism and can loose a lot
Based on his other rankings I have a feeling that Magnus isn't thinking of "genius" as just "talent" per se, but as something that also includes a degree of creativity and players being ahead of their time in developing theory and stuff. Fischer probably loses points in Magnus' view there, despite being such an amazingly precise player.
Kasparov, who Magnus still thinks is the GOAT, is probably the player Magnus is comparing everyone else against.
Fischer was way ahead in all those categories, I am a USCF Chess Expert, I am not nearly as strong as Magnus, but I have an understanding of the game and that comment is absurd. Fischer was a 10 if there ever was one, you could argue 9, but even that is pushing it.
Magnus is incredible, but he has also had the aide of computers and all the modern books and theory.
@@adrianamatlack532 don’t all gms have that nowadays? Heck, even Kasparov did in his late reign. Magnus is n1 in era of chess engines where all his games can be studied by his opponents.
In your eyes it’s an advantage to Carlsen? I’d say the opposite.
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 Having all that is a huge advantage for Carlson, especially with his memory and learning. I am USCF Chess Expert rated over 2100 something, I have been playing since the early 90s, and without a doubt the average players play went up greatly when engines like Fritz came out about 10 years later.
I know there is no way I would have got as good as I did without engines, but the real chess match would be Fischer and Carlson in a Fischer Random chess match. I think it would be even.
Also do not forget that Fischer was up against all the greatest Soviet chess players who were looking at his games, do you think that is not a huge disadvantage?
To this day some of Fischer's best games still confuse computers at certain points.
This game in fact, and it's far more beautiful and brilliant than anything I have seen from Magnus ruclips.net/video/EMDJebpc4oQ/видео.html
@@adrianamatlack532 I'd also put Fischer at a 9 or 10 personally, but I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say there. Fischer had a few games where he experimented with things like the Larsen Attack, and there was his famous bust to the King's Gambit, but overall he was known as someone who liked to play a certain way and he stuck to it. I once saw a Soviet player in retrospect say that if Fischer liked to eat eggs for breakfast, so to speak, he would haven eaten eggs for breakfast every day.
Even though I'd agree Fischer was a genius for having developed all his knowledge by himself, and for the fact that he was leagues ahead of the competition at the time, I think Magnus' comment is best explained by his having a certain idea of what "genius" is to him, which fits someone like Kasparov a little better, as opposed to being a knock on Fischer's playing ability.
@@michaellisinski2822 Many said that kind of nonsense, he showed them all by crushing Spasky with d4.
Fact is that no one ever dominated so many strong opponents the way Fischer did.
Capablanca and Morphy did not have the same level of competition.
Also people said that Tal was not a great positional player, buy Vladimir Kramnik said that Tal was a great positional player, and he was. I was saying that for many years before.
It makes me laugh how people trash talk Fischer when there is no doubt they would have no chance against him when he was in his prime.
I played at the Marshall and Manhattan clubs, I know Asa and all those people.
Genius only 7??? In his era he was incredible.far ahead of all the other GMS
Yeah but he avoided facing Karpov and compared to today's players he would not be 2800+.
@@zemm9003Had nothing to do with Karpov. He would destroy Karpov
@@zemm9003But would today’s players be as good if they grew up in his time? It goes both ways.
@@zemm9003 Absolutely. A 1972 player would not fare well against a 2024 player. That's obvious. You would have to give Fischer the same preparation as modern GMs have, or take away all the preparation modern GMs have to get an equal playing field. The latter would almost certainly be dominated by Fischer, while the former wouldn't be a contest since Fischer would quit.
@@zemm9003 Chess players today are standing on the shoulders of yesterday greats.
I think bobby fisher Was the most Genius Chess player in history
Capablanca too
Sure grandpa
Magnus knows infinitely more about Chess than me, so he's probably correct, but calling Fischer "not that much of a genius" is slander in my opinion. Fischer was just some kid living with his mom in a small New York apartment and he took down the Soviet chess machine and made it look easy, all while he had clear and obvious mental health issues. If Fischer didn't go crazy and become a recluse, there's no telling how many years he could've remained world champion.
He didn't go crazy. He just didn't want to represent America in chess anymore. He felt like America only used him to take down the soviets in chess. That's the main reason he stopped playing.
The American government wouldn't even let him visit Russia to play his friend Boris Spasky, and when he did they tried to get him arrested and sent to jail. Why do you think he left America? They thought he was a spy or something 😂
I agree.I'm negatively surprised about Magnus' opinion here. Bobby pretty much taught himself yet managed to tear down the entire Soviet chess machine. You don't have to know a lot about chess to know the guy was a genius
@@user-vt4hd8hb4v he didn't. That is propaganda. He dodged facing Karpov who had a record against Spassky of about 23-8-1 or something crazy like that.
@@zemm9003 Wdym he didn't? Karpov was a wc challenger after Fischer already won it. Fischer dodged chess altogether at that point and it's absurd to think that someone of his ego would be afraid of facing Karpov thinking he's a better player.
@@user-vt4hd8hb4v nope. He dodged Karpov specifically. Karpov was far above all other players of his or previous generations and he was younger than Fischer. If it weren't for Kasparov existing, Karpov would have likely been the longest reigning Champion of all time.
I think Fischer would wipe the floor with Magnus if things were like for like, modern times for both.
I think you’d be surprised. I think it would be close. I’d have to give Magnus the edge just because of his incredible clutch ability and bizarre unpredictable tactics.
100% Magnus wins no contest. In fact hikaru wins no contest too
Fischer was insane in terms of getting better and studying. He was analyzing all on his own with boards and mind. With access to engines and considering his sanity, he would not only catch up but become #1 in no time. Comparing accuracies of games that was played 50 years apart would not give any accurate results.
Fischer was a genius who was ahead of his time just like Morphy. Magnus isn't. He is just good and thats all.
Bro, Bobby Fischer would smoke Carlsen and Fischer didn’t even have chess engines to study with.
Nope
No, he wouldn’t smoke him, however he could beat Carlsen, just as Carlsen could beat him. Childhood similarities. Bobby made his mom proud, and Magnus made his Pops proud. Both little physical attributes while high mental astuteness.
Bobby fisher is probably the greatest chess player of all time for the same reason that Babe Ruth is probably the greatest baseball player of all time. Neither one of them compare to the top players today but they were so far ahead of their peers.
Yea that doesnt matter. Its exactly like you said ‘greatest of all time’ not ‘greatest of their time.’ Bobby doesnt stand a chance agains Kasparov, and Kasparov doesnt stand a chance against Magnus.
@@luc5901that's the difference between "greatest of all time" and "best of all time." They aren't the same
It’s the same in all competitive pursuits. Ali is the Greatest, but not the best. Mayweather ranking him is very similar to Magnus ranking Ali, “he lost fights!”. Pure ego.
Give BF in his prime access to the data & electronics that today’s players have and he’d crush them.
Moreover, there’s a reason why his random position game never caught on; Players are too afraid to think for themselves & not be able to move by memory.
@@luc5901cry cap kid, Bobby neggs your mommy both ways....
Fischer said he was not a Chess Genius but a Genius who played Chess
he also said 9/11 attacks were great so who cares what he says
to be hnoest as a middle eastern i can see him as genuis when i connect the dots that he said a smart statement like that, 9/11 wasn't great cause innocent people died , but as he said it's great cause it's a response of what USA policies did to a lot part of the world, not here to praise Russia nor China both of them are even worse than USA for human rights vision but still USA policies are one of the major reasons a lot of countries now are ruled by dictators @@MorbiusBlueBalls
@MorbiusBlueBalls And Kasparov is better for supporting "free world" and being an traitor for his own country?
@@MorbiusBlueBalls You shouldn't discredit everything someone says because of some bad things. He was extremely good at Chess and had an IQ of over 180, which is higher than Einstein's. He was, in fact, a genius who played Chess.
@@qwerty-qt9ez yes Kasparov is great. rassia is dictatorship and Kasparov uses his influence to change the world for Better. it's pathetic that you compared Kasparov to bobby Fischer
Magnus got that unintentionally hilarious humour.... His 'well-rounded'.... Proceeds to give him an unwell rounded score 😅😂
"Capablanca-like quality" - interesting how, in the context of how Magnus is putting it, he sees the level of genius in Capablanca. And how Fischer has a bit of that, but not fully.
YES! Love that!
Capablanca is below alekhine 😂
Bobby was very highly technical.
Considering the era of bobby if he instead was in this era and studied the new strats he will be a monster
Bobby was a "monster" persona.
People liking him is their opinion.
But if unbiased evaluations are possible of these opinionated persons truth would prevail.
one can hear Bobby Fisher speak for his self...
Living ones life is the example all and any have to know feel re: another
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Bobby Fischer had the highest intellect in chess
And highest IQ chess player ... Even Magnus can't beat bobby Fischer intellect in chess
Fischer dominated his era
There's no way u give him a 7 in genius
bobby Fischer got a 180 to 187 in the iq test then, in today's comparison he's about 155. Magnus Carlsen has an estimated IQ of 190
I also think 7 is very high
Do you think you understand chess better than Magnus Carlsen?
@@jackieyang2775😂
Magnus Will always play second fiddle To Fischer Tal Keres and Morphy
In terms of influence I don't think any person holds a candle to Fischer
Kaspy brah
@@eli_margetts Not even close. Kasparov wasn't nearly as popular or well known as Fischer was.
Tell me you're american without telling me you're american
@@yesandno1414 Hey, I could be wrong. But I can't think of anyone other than Fischer for making the biggest international impact on chess. Morphy's reputation precedes him, Capablanca and Alekhine/Botvinnik made chess a spectacle in their nations. But so did Fischer, and Morphy is American anyway, so being American has no influence either way there. At the end of the day, I think Fischer had the biggest impact on the game itself, bringing real money and respect to the game. Fischer's impact on chess as an international phenomenon was like Babe Ruth taking baseball to the live-ball era from the dead-ball era of Ty Cobb. Yes, another American example, I know. But still, I don't see how I can be wrong about this. Who would you say, Kasparov, Anand, or Magnus maybe?
@@hypercubemaster2729 rofl Kasparov is 200x more popular than Fischer
magnus is literally bobby if he was born in this era. and i think personally bobby's elo would be higher than magnus if he was still present!
True, bobby didnt have all this technology that magnus has today, and bobby even learn russian on his own to read chess books
@@CosmoHeist Neither did Bobby faced as many strong grandmasters as Magnus faced, and everyone has access to that technology why cant everyone be Magnus. Don't be stupid
Too bad there’s no evidence that can prove he is better
@@CosmoHeist Booby came from a russian immigrant family...
@@CosmoHeist bobby was 160 elo ahead of his 2nd rating guy while magnus not even 100 from #2
Fischer excelled in an era without stockfish. The 20-0 he won was with his raw genius in chess. Comparing Carlsen or any other GM in the top 10 against Fischer is stupid.
The best of the best, Super GM Bobby Fisher, forever !
These stupid comments saying current GMs have engine. So what? If Fischer was here he would have it also. They study Fischer themselves.
Fischer is the best player ever
Politics/Opinion on who controls us: 10/10
normies really out here theorizing whether Bobby or Magnus dunks on the other one. this is not a shonen anime. Magnus has indefinitely more credibility than any of you on the subject
Bobby Fischer was the greatest to ever live. He would beat magnus if he was still alive. Prove me wrong
😮 u sure?
Bobby was weaker than Karpov.
Karpov < Magnus.
Bobby < Karpov.
Have you heard about the transitivity of "
I do think that magnus is better but if it comes to who is the better prodigy it will go to fisher. If we take prime fisher and magnus, magnus will win however if Bobby had chess engines and given 6 months to prepare then Bobby will win 9/10 times.
@@Orlando-zo7et nuh uh
@@Orlando-zo7etI would say if I studied very well, I could have been a great man by now. But that doesn't prove anything. I didn't study well and even if I studied well there was no guarantee.
Fisher was a genius no doubt but he hated the idea of memorizing lines. Even if you give him the resources, he would not have. Do you think, 6 months is enough to learn all the chess lines to beat Magnus?
Magnus memorizes lines but if you watch him play he stray away from engines lines to beat his opponent. You guys are undermining him too much. Magnus is a great player with or without chess theory thats why he has been dominating the chess world for so long.
And, if Bobby was born as the same time as Magnus there's no guarantee that he'd play chess. The same thing for Magnus if he was born in Fischer's time.
The only thing I can say for sure is Magnus is a better chess player than Fischer. There's no comparison. Magnus has the advantage because he has more resources but it is what it is. Magnus is better than Fischer or any other chess better. I'm sure in the future, there will be better players better than Magnus too.
Genius 10
Entertaining 9.5
Influence 10
Sanity 7 (he was a little nutty, even if there is more truth to his claims than a lot of normies would like to admit)
If Bobby had kept playing, Karpov probably would have never become a World Chess Champion, so any accolades that Karpov has would have been added to Bobby's accolades & he would have no peers. (At the very least, Bobby would have gobbled up 50% or more of Karpov's accolades.)
In his latter years, he was also crushing his opponents in a way that no chess player has since, even Kasparov & Carlsen.
I agree
Entertaining is an 11 if Magnus is the benchmark
This is what fear looks like
Everyone states that today's technology has helped Magnus become better than 99.9% of the people that played in the past, may be true in terms of higher ratings, but the fact that everyone is on the same playing level and he still is dominating the ratings is what makes Magnus in a class with Kasparov. The top 40 current ranking, Magnus is the only one in the 2800's.
I mean, Fisher was more dominating during his era than Magnus has ever been during his.
@@VG_164 Because everyone is a much better chess player now.
@@mayer7196 But that completely defeats your argument of being on an equal playing field. You're contradicting yourself. Fisher was on an equal playing field and he absolutely dominated in a way nobody has ever managed to do since, including Magnus. And compared to Magnus he basically had to teach himself to boot against Soviets with their entire state backing them. He was literally 125 points ahead of the 2nd highest rated player, Boris Spassky.
If Fischer had all the resources Magnus had during his growth, on an equal playing field, there's no doubt in my mind he would have came up on top as the superior chess player.
@@VG_164 What i am saying is the reason the gap isn't as wide now with Carlson compared to when Fischer was around was because Fischer was way ahead of his time. Todays chess, everyone is better, Carlson has to compete against world class chess players, while Fischer had just a handful to worry about
There are many great chess players in history and you can rate them however you want, but there’s one player that can’t really be rated like that. The fact that he was so far ahead of his time and so far ahead of his contemporaries puts him in a category all his own. This player will be in chess books for the ages, a true prodigy that by far has had the most influence on the game. Chess players and World Champions alike study his games to this day and no matter what anyone says about him Paul Morphy will forever live in chess infamy!
If you are famous and not mainstream you will get 4 under sanity section.
What do you even mean? Bobby became increasingly paranoid and delusional in his later years. That's why he gets a 4.
@@HawkOfGP He got paranoid because he was publicly ridiculed, all because of his Jews talks and 911 later on.
sanity : 10/10
I think he was right
He was a misogynist dude
@@CapnBlud even better
@@CapnBludHe changed his mind later, search it up
@@CapnBludand you my friend are a SIMP
@@CapnBludHe wasn't though.
genius 10/10, definitely not 7. Magnus how is Fischer a 7 in terms of genius?
Carlsen's whole style is thanks to Fischer's genius discovery you don't need dramatic but sometimes dubious tactical attacks to win, as was the style up until him, but instead it's better to play solid, simple chess, accumulate advantages and grind it out. If Fischer's genius is a 7 then Carlsen's is 6.
Kasparov himself said on Lex's podcast that Magnus is a lethal combination of Fisher and Karpov so he is definitely better than Fisher. To say Carlsen is a 6 on genius is just absurd. Just listen to what other grandmasters have to say about him and try to cope with it.
lol Carlson is a 6? How so where is the evidence magnus style comes from fischer you just made that up
Carlsen is like 10 times better than fischer without even trying
If Fischer was alive today
And given engine for a year
Bobby be like : bring me carlsen 😂
Should be a 10 for sanity since he was actually right about everything he said
Bull. He was obviously utterly insane.
@lola12742 Ok, tinfoil hat
no
@@Pirhah the longer time moves forward the more sense he makes. You underestimate him because someone brainwashed you in to believing that anyone who is anti dem itic is insane. Maybe do your homework and stop being a coward
I would give Morphy all 10s. I love him.
I thought Bobby Fischer was known for being a genius
It's called being jealous. Magnus is half the player Bobby was and he knows it deep down inside😂.
Of course he was a genius. But, genius is rated by the production they leave behind, not talent. What did he contribute with? Maybe not as much as others, like Kasparov, Petrov, Alkekhin? I dont know, just trying to understand his rating.
@@stigcche contributed to the openings. As i remember he got his own variation as well
Skill issue according to Magnus.
He had a 180 IQ and Einstein had a 161 so yeah I'd say he was a genius
Bobby Fischer is a great player, but please remember that Fischer's name can be very popular because it was a part of US propaganda during the cold war vs Soviet. At that time, Soviet dominated chess (Spassky, etc.). Chess is an intellectual sport that considered as a symbol of nation supremacy (look at China and India right now). I think Magnus score is very fair
I think Fischer is so famous mostly because he really hed an elo of 2780 in 1972. 2780 even now is rare, you ad inflation. And his rating is better than Magnus. Fischer also retired after he became champ. He's an enigma.
@@rennyskiathitis8178 how is his rating better than Magnus?
@@ereh11at that time fisher was more then 100 elo above any other player, which magnus hasn't achieved, and that elo inflation could be y magnus is higher rated
Magnus is an outlier with insane memory.
Ding lucked out, that WCC against Ian could have easily gone either way. As far as India goes, didn't yall invent chess? You better be good at it.
Despite all this, The best chess player ever was an American. His name was Bobby Fisher. He was 400 rating points higher than the world number 2. Magnus.... only 50 😆
@@ok-pv7fw he was 400 rating points higher, not 100.
If you transported Magnus back to Fischer's time, well before Magnus's wealth of knowledge of past games, when the game was still evolving and its landscape still needed pioneering, Fischer would've made this guy eat his words and refute him in real time. And remember, Fischer didn't have the wealth of past games to Magnus's extent, nor computers to learn from or practice with, but plain old rolling-up of the sleeves and hard study and work in those old relics called books.
Fischer wasn't insane at all. He simply had a very good *pattern recognition*.
where is your game of the century, Magnus?
Sanity? When he competed Fischer was extremely correct, fabulously well groomed and respectful of his opponents across the board. No doubt the Soviet strategems drove him crazy which explains his outbursts in 1972. His life after that is irrelevant to the chess world. 10/10 hands down.
Comments: When you know nothing about chess but criticize the (former) world champion in his assessment of chess genius :D
Bobby Fischer is a beast and an absolute legend.
People overrate Bobby Fischer highly because he's an American.
Bobby Fischer beat Boris Spassky (an Underrated Legend) who is not a top ten player of all time.
Bobby Fischer would have not beaten Anatoly Karpov, many people are not ready to this quite part loud.
To me Bobby Fischer is in the same league of legends as Jose Raul Capablanca and Alexander Alkhine but not in the same league as Garry Kasparov or Magnus Carlsen.
Magnus Carlsen is ridiculously good and Garry Kasparov had amazing appetite for confrontation and winning.
Yeah, he's well-rounded. 4.
Bobby spoke the truth about who really controls the world and the media destroyed him. The Kanye West of chess.
he removed his fillings because he thought they're radioactive or something
Fischer is best of the best of all time, compared how usa chess was underdeveloped and USSR chess was overdeveloped, his wonderful tactics against spasky, who never recovered from the lost, he even said bobby fischer used hypnosis on him
Fisher was actually the only mentally sane man considering he understood who are the real problems in the world.
FYI, Magnus had a 16 points lead
While Bobby had 126 back in the day
That is unprecedented and will never be replicated again.
If Bobby was not a genius, then idk who is.
But we can’t deny it, Magnus is the best chess player in history.
He had matches of 6-0 twice in a row. That’s just insanity. Give him today’s technology and he will be the best.
Fisher was arguably the only genius of all post war chess players
This guy is everything Bobby Fischer despised about what had become of chess. Magnus is only where he is because of theory, it's become a ridiculous memorization game.
Unlike modern chess, which is 90% memorization and calculation, bobby played actuall chess, when theory was young, no engines, and required thinking outside the box to win
If it's that simple why isn't everybody 2700? Why is every game a novelty by move 15? Modern day players are just better because that's the way evolution works. Influence wise, Fischer is huge but Carlsen would destroy Fischer in a match. Any 2700 GM would too its just the way a gane evolves
As a 700 rated person I am very insulted by the fact Magnus called a famous grandmaster 'not very genius'.
He's jealous.
I agree with your point, but Bro 700 rated is super low, so weak.
@@duh4405bro, I can't even defeat Martin
@@duh4405 I am 510 😂
My base rating with no chess knowledge whatsoever was 1200 😂. I didn't even know what an "en passant" was.
I can't even imagine being under 1100 , because it's never happened, I think my lowest rating ever was like 1192 or something.
Magnus hasn’t ever impressed me the way that Fischer has. Something about standing on the shoulders of giants
Him playing three different boards while blindfolded didn’t impress you?
@@Mster_J no he’s a nerd who can’t go out of his room and doesn’t come close to the aura Fischer had
Bobby Fischer dominated more than Carlsen in his era he won against everyone with insane scores and without a single loss 6-0 etc as an example
I mean Carlsen can beat anyone but 6-0 I doubt that very much.
Genius rating for Fischer is 100% a 10 no discussion
"We stand on the shoulders of giants" - and for that reason alone, Fischer is pure genius
I demand the full video.
Same! I looked through all the comment, and nobody linked it...
ruclips.net/p/PLAwlxGCJB4NdCGFMeAEaldLbe4IkToUc6
Rank his opinions on women now
10
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Magnus has explicity stated that he does not believe there to be any inherent difference between men and women which causes men to perform better. Instead, he acknowledges and cites the lack of support and opportunities in chess given to girls compared to boys.
10/10
not only on women, but also about jews
Let's be real.. Bobby had that thing only geniuses have. In the sense of he lacked in other areas, but in terms of chess he was the best ever. Period. Just like let's say Tyson Fury in boxing.. He's crazy asf but he's touched by god in terms of boxing
Magnus is a product of engines and memorization. Bobby had no engine help. He literally beat all of the top players of his generation even though they cheated and worked together to try and beat him. Think about that.
Magnus gets bent out of shape and leaves tournaments when he THINKS people are cheating. Bobby knew all the Russians were analyzing his games together and trying to figure out how to beat him, but he still beat them all.
What Bobby did will never be repeated. Truly a mad genius.
So true..
bobby also beat the first computer.
This is what i wanted to see
@@bevs9995that was extremely weak😭😭😭? thats not a flex
The number of comments debating Magnus’ opinion from people whose understanding of chess is minuscule compared to Magnus’ is hilarious
Bobby is the GOAT
Booby had a I.Q. Of 180… he loved to humble and spank GMs with ease. He could easily beat down Magus and make him cry …child’s play for Bobby
he crushed the whole Russian chess school by literally himself… not having dozens of gm backing you up during championship candidates matches… that’s quite an accomplishment GOAT
Bring Bobby back from 1972, give him 2 years to catch up on all the new theory and we'll see just how "not so great a genius" he really is 😉
there is a reason why there are names for generations like gen x gen z or gen alpha...... bobby won't be able to in modern days. engine and stuff too much....
@@Arthur-zu6wg Magnus is human, yes? Bobby was human, yes? Give Bobby Fischer 2 or 3 years starting today to research and study modern theory, engines, other players, etc. And then see how well Bobby does in competitive chess. I think the world would be astonished once again.
@@Arthur-zu6wg it's a time machine hypothetical kid
@@coffeetalk924you just can’t claim that as known one knows what would happen.
And, Bobby fisher was not like a crazy genius born with talent or something. He was a self trained hard working man who achieved his goals because of hard work .
Hard work ≠ Genius
he wouldnt want to learn theory anyways so it wouldnt happen
they really had to add the sanity at the end... did em dirtaaayyyy ya ya yaa
Magnus low key lookin like a snacc in this video
Fischers performance in the candidates on his way to the world championship was a level of phenomenal that has never been surpassed again. Naturally Carlsen has a right to his opinion but also you’ve got to recognize his bias. Look at the chess and not the person, people throw around the word genius but that’s just a word. Look at the chess. Crystal clear dominance over everyone and obviously outclassing Tal, Petrosian, and all other “geniuses “ of his era.
180 IQ: 🗿
BATTLE IQ: 🗿
EQ: 0 🤡
6-0 with soviet players 🗿
Fischer in his peak would eat Magnus for breakfast
Nope
@@TurdBoi-tf5lf 🤣🤣🤣
Not even close. Magnus played 10 people at the same time with his back to the boards.
Bro fisher would not eat him he would have barely eaten him