Space Busters | Can We Make a Space Elevator? | Space Engineers
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2019
- Welcome to Space Busters! The series where we put crazy ideas to the test in Space Engineers. Today we're trying to make a Space Elevator. Is it possible? Can we do it? How many times will the game crash? Find out in this episode of Space Busters!
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“It looks small, but it’s actually pretty big”
-Andrewman
That's what he said
@@spacie9963 exactly what i was gonna say
@@redranjer That's what I'm saying
That's what he's hoping she'll say.
22:32 The "strength" slider doesn't change the torque of the wheels, it changes the strength of the suspension.
Can you mine through the entire earth like planner and make a elevator go through it?
nope minecraft bedrock situation
@@matthewstapleton1155 Is that so? I wonder how far you can actually go down though. And if it's the same on the Moon as on Earth? It might be interesting to find out :)
Also the diameter of the Earth in Space Engineers is 120km. In this video we went about 37km up. That means we would have to build an elevator more than three times as long!!! It took me like 20 minutes to go up in the elevator so getting through the whole Earth would take an hour!
@@AndrewmanGaming From what i've read, stuff (diggers, wahrheads) simply dissapears at a certain point, but it wouldn't hurt to test this out ;)
You can absolutely tunnel the whole way through planets now, the gravity fun at the core is quite cool :)
The physics that calculated that whip was dope
29:46 thats what i keep telling my gf
haha bro
can you weponize that piston whip?
The planet whipper.
@@Hootkins. *heavily breathing*
But it is already a weapon
Get some warheads on the end of that baby and boom
@@syntax6788 Yea, it went boom without any warheads :P
make a rail gun that launches the payload into orbit
@SuizidoAwesome mods
inb4 it's weaponized (actually you don't really need to weaponize a weapon, which is what a rail gun typically is) and used to launch packages violently through ships
SuizidoAwesome you can do it with a really tall gravity tower. and i mean really tall, to the point where you are getting an appreciable drop in pgrav
@SuizidoAwesome MODS
@SuizidoAwesome
BECAUSE YOU NEED MODD TO ACHIEVE IT BECAUSE OF THE SPEED LIMIT THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY STATED!
When you tried to build a space elevator and accidentally built a sky hook, unsuccessfully, on the way there: It just works.
kurzgesagt moment
30:10 Can't you put a landing gear on your small grid that you lock/unlock manually when you want to stop/go?
Ah yes! This would have worked as well :)
Yes, you could add landing gear for a locking break but you'll either have to make sure you have a precise build for the landing gear to slide against the pillar or use a piston with a landing gear so it can push the landing gear to the pillar to lock! Like one of the sayings on the world loading screens stated, "if it's worth engineering, it is worth over engineering!" Lol
@@elementalblaze79
If the landing gear is not set to autoock, it will slide gently. But yeah, you must pay attention to how you build the elevator so that there is not too much vibration otherwise klang will show up!
maybe pressing p for the handbrake would also work, but with the way those wheels look it could be a massive gamble.
I would put the landing gear pointing upwards, cause, why would you need a space elevator, if there isn't a platform to go to, and downwards as well.
The question is in going down. Are the two sets of wheels enough to stop? Irl, of course, the friction would cause everything to wear down pretty spectacularly, but in SE this is a dope idea.
This is a good way to replenish hydrogen by bringing ice from planets into space, it's so expensive to get a big ship out of a planet. lol
Just use a smaller cargo ship
@@notomnithegodking Yeah I thought about that but I usually have the mentality to bring all resources with me. Which is a bad idea, best thing is to build the ship, get what's needed to get out of orbit, then worry about resources later in space where they are easier to handle, legit I filled my ship with ore and tried leave orbit, crashed a few ships trying to escape gravity. lol
Fumo
Thank you for doing this and uploading the results, you've saved me so much time. Plus the physics and commentary were hilarious.
*ERUSEA WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*
i believe epiktek had a full station elevator but he had a custom script and used wheels and thrusters to maintain alignment
I think there was someone before who build a elevator building machine but i dont remember did he build it
@@strex2062 epiktek's was self building, he had a projection in each segment and before the new segment was built out would stop and connect to get a new load of supplies.
@OriginalTharios so now we can do it in one grid? (epik had to craete second grid becouse there was a block "size" limit)
God that series of his was such a treat to watch, truly a rollercoaster ride watching him slowly bring the project to completion while having to overcome so many crazy challenges.
MrMattumbo the guy "Splitsie" have series that have too few chelenges like working catapult or tram
7:30
You think its gonna whip it, but it doesn't whip it good
Around the six minute mark, I'm watching the pistons near the bottom wiggle and I am thinking "Dude, next time don't build your space elevator out of wacky waving arm flailing inflatable tube men"😆
I attempted a similar design on my orbital tether a while ago, but it didn't work then... your video has given me a new incentive to try it again :) Thumbs up^^
You could have built straight down from the rotor.
This was a lot of fun to watch! Thanks for doing the video. Onto your video of journeying to the center of the Earth!
Actually a great video! I learned a thing or two, keep it up man!
I'm glad that what I had in mind was actually tried and worked out in the end. :-)
I guess with a projector and welder, the elevator could actually build itself.
Dude, you got yourself a new subscriber!!! Awesome video!!!!
You could add an automatic landing gear built into the spire under a platform at the top, and when you arrive at the top it effectively grabs the elevator and holds it in place ready to be released.
I love this. To me, this is a proof of concept.
I can build a space elevator (even though I would probably stop at .3 p-gravity and launch out ships from there. Have a base up the top of the colomn, and stop the cabin using landing gears that autolock, and maybe a connector to transport ores and materials up and down).
26:38 Livin' on a prayer
Now to the real question: How much weight can it carry? Enough to build a whole ship up there?
Another intresting approach would have been a platform with two rotors and 4 landing gears attached that lock and unlock automatically.
This channel honestly is way better than a lot of others with space engineers content
you made the most prominent design for a space elevator, you also proved that if we could get the right materials we could accomplish this task.
Clang doesn't like this, piston elevator.
Thumbs up for effort, time spent, and design. Even if it would fail completely in survival.
Really wanted to see you drive the elevator up and off the rail into space, maybe i will build my own. Great video and cool idea!
Very nice. Thinking of ways to accomplish this myself while I was watching and I was leaning to something similar to the final method, but I think it would be interesting to use multiple landing gear, pistons, and logic blocks to make it even more monkey-like, reaching up and grabbing higher on the 'rope' with one 'hand' while the other pulls down to raise the platform.
Pretty cool, sir!
The kind of creativity that helps - A LOT! - while one is one of those "and now, what?" moments!
...by the way, you probably already know it but, as I don´t remember seein you using this "feature" in any of the other videos of SE from you... if you just right-click on the desired block while in "G" menu, it will instantly go to the next free slot in your current chosen one - just like in Medieval...
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...by the way (2): man, I SHOULD have watched even more "S.Camp" videos from you before went playing - despite all the others I saw! LOL nice ones! (y)
You have a new sub. I'm interested to see where these go. :)
I was thinking of using the wheels to hold the thing in place, thrusters to make it climb. But with just wheels, it uses so much less power.
i just found your channel and 10 seconds into the video it was an instant sub and like
How do you only have 10k subs?
I'm actually surprised...
Keep making good content and have a nice day :D
Separated elevators on a thick shaft, with wedges to put wheels in. Elevators are separate structures. Use a combination of ion and atmospheric thrust for propulsion. Throw on an autopilot block. Set it for exact positioning. Set some waypoints to connectors. Run it solely on battery power. Set some timer blocks so when it meets connectors it won't run again until the batters are charged (you'll need to do some math but you shouldn't need it to be fully charged anyway since it'll recharge at the bottom and top of the elevator). The elevator is basically a sideways rover with set tracks (the wedges) with autopilot to help position the elevator so you don't need to pilot it.
7:15 Earth has been a naughty planet
That's what I was thinking too! 🤣
You might also try unlocked landing gear as guides but your version worked so...yeah. Congrats!
Brilliant, well played!
Looks like a whole lot of fun.
I hope they add a "rail" block, that you can place certain other blocks on, that can then move along the rail.
It would make it possible to make fx. a 3d crane (instead of using 3 pistons, having a square with 2 rails on2 sides to make the X axis, a beam of blocks between them, with another rail being the Z axis, and the "crane claw"(/the Y axis) could then be a piston with a connector.
But basicly, so we can make a tower (like 8:45) and then add a rail and a platform on it.
Very interesting concept. A couple of changes I'd make are to put a ring of gravity generators at the bottom to suspend it. (set to counteract the planet's gravity)
At the top you'd use gravity generators to dock with a station. For both of these you'd edit the field size to make them extremely short range but powerful.
Would also be nice to have it fabricate the tower on the way up. lol.
hold [Ctrl] while hold [Mouse1] to place multiple blocks at ones.
if you're talking about him stacking pistons, then no, that doesn't work
Can you rebind that? Ctrl is my crouch key :/
Systamatic maybe?
@@ValentineC137 did i say stacking, i meant making a row.
PC mate naughty, naughty you commented before the video was over about an issue resolved later in the video
One of the more entertaining SE videos I've seen.
i love how it was supposed to be more efficient and much better than rockets but it turned out to be slower and more expensive. Great video!
I love your motivation you work so hard to make a vid
This is one of my favourite SE video wow
I love those pistons dancing in the sky xD
You should have used an instrumental version of "The Girl from Ipanema" for the elevator timelapses near the end, just to make the "space elevator" idea complete.
How could you not let us see what it looks like to let it drop from the top!
Okay, as someone who is actually interested in the topic of using non-rocket methods to bring materials to space, I think a planetary based mass driver is more realistic than a space elevator in the real world solely because it is easier to find a material that is incredibly heat resistant than a material that can stretch from surface to space and not cause an incident like the one at New Mombasa in 2552.
irl you would still need some fuel to make an orbit (reducing speed at the right altitude) when using a mass driver
Halo reference.
@@robob4465 really? I did not actually know that, but that does make sense.
@@jonathancole3149 well, that is one of the worries with a proper space elevator. The materials we have at hand are not strong enough to keep an object in orbit tethered to the ground, the tether could devastate a large portion of whatever continent it is in. According to the FAI definition of where space 'begins,' that tether would need to be easily over 100km. Most likely several megametres tall, if I am doing my math right.
Look up SFIA, Issac Arthur has a channel devoted to this sort of thing
i suggest having at least 4 columns with the vehicle in the middle with atmospheric and ion thrusters. the brake you did at the end wouldnt be needed if you had the ion thrusters to stabilize its position. also, as someone else suggested, lock it in place with a merge block or a connector at the top. i would build a space station at the top for docking starships and such :D
Try using landing gears along with the wheels, so you can lock the elevator in place when you get to the top!
I always make a satellite in space then "hotlink" it with my world side base by placing a bunch of floating self sustained octagonal ring shaped satellites that negate gravity within their circles. This makes travelling up much more cost efficient. Still takes time though. If it comes to transporting wares, I think the best way to do it is to put a bunch of proxy floating points and script them to "bounce" up when full with materials, auto connect to next node, port materials (injector collector ports), disconnect and go back down. It will be tricky to make them go back to their original position, but if you make a bunch of gps coordinates and use them as anchor points for the repositioning scrips, that would most likely be the best way of transporting a lot of stuff for almost no expense in resources and time. Writing the script for that would be a bit tricky since it would have to involve a component that accounts for the current g strength. So far I haven't had any luck with figuring that one out so I only tested the bumping line by having it operate via timer based engine pulses. It was a disaster :D
How about sending up a ship?
Maybe pre test some other elevators like the one you did as well. That way you can find the strongest, simplest, and most stable design.
I'd recommend having more then one tether, but that might not be as cool.
Also, look into adding a brake system.
2:10 piston got a lagg problem..
the first space engineer: "we space engineers find solutions for everyday problems"
11:00 why not build it down?
23:00 wheels on the top for stability, or make 3-4 columns? :D
30:00 I wonder how projectors/welders might work into it all
Should have doubled the width of the tower for more traction. Adjust the suspension and it would be rock solid. Other than that way cool! This and the one where you make an artificial gravity station have inspired me 😊
If you do ctrl and hold it. It build a lot of them
I feel like you could have gravity generators going up the side of a really, really long hallways going up, keeping you stuck to the wall so you can walk up... just a thought though. It would take a lot if time, but it might work
_Space Elevator Progression_
Piston machine that raises up a platform: *Failure*
Rotary contraption to take advantage of physics and snap upwards at high-speed: *Failure*
A box designed to literally go up a 180 degree incline using nothing but an engine and giant wheels: *Success*
This looks like an efficient model. If it were longer and had thruster support just to stabilize at the top it would be a bit better
You should use guild wires like radio antenna uses, then build on top of that.
Or a strutted leg platform with a guild wire antenna above that.
You created the biggest space pasta,I ever seen:)
I’m sure if you added an entire framing and support to the piston and lowered it into the ground it might actually be a working design lol
So... This might not be the most practical idea for survival mode...
I'm glad I watched this, I was thinking about making one. 🤣
Epiktech did build one in surival actually
Tip for all you engineers out there:
Build a 1 high footprint of the pillar you want to build.
Look at it and and press CTRL+Copy
Attach the layer on top and repeat step 2, over and over.
As the pillar gets giant make sure *you are at the top of the pillar* and you are *looking at the base.* Otherwise you wont be able to place it on top.
And don't be too close.
You'll get a skybox limit pillar in minutes.
If you put another giant long piece on the other end of the rotor (like an enormous pinwheel), the counterweight would probably make swinging the thing much easier.
A connector would be cool to dock at the top or make the wheels push towards each other, so the top set drives towards the bottom and vice versa. Might work.
Yes. The final release trailer proved it.
Excellente video! (Wonderful good job, i laugh a lot)
There are a number of mods that make pistons longer. If any of them are still stable, you might want to try that next time.
I think I'd make the pillar just tall enough to get the pinch right first, so I could see how close and hard I could pinch before breaking the pillar or suspensions.
Best accidental sky whip ever, you could use that to swat away enemy attackers!
Good job, I'm going to build this on the moon where I have a mining out post, but use conveyer junctions to transport ice and rock to a ship. I didn't think of using small blocks.
The game doesn't like large grids. If you build something like this the game will lag everytime you get near enough to load it in.
A better solution would be a really powerful rail-gun that propels a small ship or cargo container into orbit.
Giant catapult time
Or a trebuchet.
@@RAFMnBgaming lol, like a mile long trebuchet throwing stuff into orbit would be amazing
Mass-Driver/Railgun approach: you will need some serious G-force dampening to make any manned craft survivable. Otherwise leave that kind of launch system to the drones.
@@Aereto I think using drones would be the best way, like you could send humans in regular rockets then cargo for resupplying or building stations using a mass driver.
at 19:17 i was thinking "the only problem i see with this is that it might not have enough strenth to lift it up"
This makes me remember one sentence from a scientist "the space is not far, is only a hour drive with your car, if your car could drive upwards" (or something like that)
maybe if your car went at 800 km/h...
I just searched and says space starts around 100km from Earth...
Great Video!!
I ouuld love to see it made with many smaller rotor arms doing like a relay and attaching and detatching to pass on goods up the line. alternatively, instead of pistons pushing up without a guide rail, how about pulling things up. the only flaw would be the excess height required to account for the unextended size of them.
In theory, a space elevator needs to be built in orbit and lowered down to the planet in order to prevent it from collapsing due to its impossibly tall height.the way to think of it is that the base is actually the end that is in space.
Maybe if you used a really thick column of piston to raise a bar many times the length of the pistons, and instead of using rotors you just use hinges? Lots of them next to each other if need be.
15:37 if the rotor was strong enough to turn at .14rpm for a 18.8km stick it would spin at 615mph(991kph).
With the wheel elevator.... You could just increase the friction on the wheels and they would do a lot better
Interesting. I would say that pistons have a possibility to work though not nearly as fast as the wheels did. Build a tower just like you did with the wheels either with armor or conveyors and have docking ports placed at a set interval. Then the machine climbs the ports by extending, then switching the locks and retracting. Alternatively the rotor could be used so you dock 1 end then rotate around until the next port is in docking position.
If I was building this, I'd probably make the central column bigger so I could put in more wheels side-by-side to stabilize the elevator.
Damn, I remember playing this years ago when they first released endless space, let alone planets and everything since
You didnt miss too much, considering the time.
I can imagine this system elevator system being supersized so instead of a small platform, it can be a hanger that can ferry ships from below to orbit without having to waste too much fuel
darkfire321000 only issue with this is calculating the weight of the ship it would be almost better to build a station at The top to build the ships in low gravity kinda like how they build star destroyers in starwars
Try doing that with artificial gravitation, maybe use sensors to turn em off when you pass them so you would get slingshotted. I'm really curious if that would work
The idea of a space elevator irl, is just a cable and counterweight with the elevator just climbing the cable. The physics is to make the cable twice as high as need to get to orbit. This would be where the centrifugal force of tension equals the force of gravity. The geostationary orbit point is this location. This has been calculated to be ~35,000km. So the elevator would have to be ~70,000km tall. While the final 750 tons of cable would be expensive, the efficiency of an elevator compared to the normal rocket launch would make it so much better, a rocket launch costs $25,000 per kg while the elevator just $220 per kg.
Also if the rotor was truly 18000km and moving at .14rpm. C=2pi*r, 2pi*18000=113000km in circumference and moving at .14 rpm, you should have been going (113000*.14)/60seconds=263m/s
i know the situation with klang and damage especially to wheels but always wonder if it possible to make a "HOPPING" vehicle. Be quite a challenge to attempt.
I love it! (added to the list) :]
I did make a 2 wheeler that could jump but it could only jump if I used the "low rider" bounce method(start with a small hop that adds a bounce to add height) but I was only able to hop up only about a meter(or 2 small ship blocks) on the Mars-like planet! It was funny to do on AnubizRa's stream that one time long ago! Lol
It would of worked a lot better if the wheels were pushing against the tower a lot more. Also it would be better if you had one set of wheels above the platform and two sets below (why do you think trucks have this kind of setup). Also a guide would be needed so it doesn’t rotate or spin. I haven’t played SE in a while and I don’t know what parts are in, so I’m thinking a guide rail would need to be something that’s high in friction (metal on metal grinding)
It would HAVE worked a lot better if you didn't write "would of worked".
Ctrl and Shift keys are your friends when placing blocks not to mention Ctrl+X for deleting highlighted stuff.
At 25:00 when you have the wheeled elevator "working" it shakes around a lot. Put some gyroscopes on there and check the "Override Controls" box. This will set the gyros to hold the tilt at zero so you don't shake around as much.
that is awesome this looks fun I may have to buy space engineer
Space Elevators are a good idea but when poorly executed it'll be a catastrophe with possible casualties. I've been pondering over this for quite some time and I only asked myself more questions the longer I thought about it. One question that I'm wondering but can't test myself is: Can a station orbit the earth at the same speed the earth is spinning and in the same direction? If yes, that would open possibilities for a strong steel cable that extends from earth to the space station.
That's one big amusement park ride
It's hard to do but if you select the bottom of a free floating section of blocks, you can copy and paste one face onto another.
The fact that you only extended the tether in one direction is part of your problem. The block count HAS to mirror on either side of the rotor. You also cannot have the rotor within orbit.