110. Oil and filter change on my Lister Petter LPWS4 narrowboat engine (canal boat)
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2017
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Here's a quick overview of the hasty oil and filter change that I did on the boat while waiting at Tewkesbury lock for the lock-keeper to return from lunch (as seen at the end of the last vlog).
I'm not claiming this is a "how to" or "tutorial" because it was a bit shambolic but I got the job done and it's fine, so it might be of use or interest to someone perhaps.
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where do u put the old oil, the bins in great Haywood say your not allowed to bring in old oil
There are very few places that will take it, unfortunately. The local tip should but you probably have to drive it there.
Actually you'd be surprised how many places will take it. Check out the the Oil Bank website for a location close to you or where you're heading. www.oilbankline.org.uk
Oooh, thank you for that. Top info!
could always burn it on a fire in a tin can down side is the smell
True but it will take awhile to burn 5 liters of motor oil in a tin can. It almost burns like gasoline. I was surprised by how much fire motor oil creates when you burn it! Probably better just to take it somewhere that accepts it for recycling.
David...Superb!
A splendid vlog among many splendid vlogs.
You manage to turn a dry an d boring subject into an entertainingf and informative and enjoyable 14 minuites.
What a lovely dry sense of humour...
Do you know how naturally comical you are?
Don't ever stop man, and I hope that someday our paths will cross on the cut.
Thank you,
Steve.
Thank you :-) I fear often they're laughing at me, rather than with me...
CruisingTheCut ...We are!! But in the nicest possible way!!
With you David...Every time. With you.
"Don't go overboard." Generally good advice whenever you are on a boat.
And now I've learned a new word: shambolic. Cruising the Cut, both entertaining and educational.
Haha, I hope so!
How can 28 people put there thumb down to this informative, charming and very funny blog...there are some very odd sorts on this planet. As usual I loved this...great style, great humour and a very self effacing way with words.
As someone once commented, it has been misinterpreted as 'Dis I Like'.
I was wondering the same thing - some ppl must go through life looking for things to dislike
So you managed not only to change your motor oil and filter in 25 minutes, but also to film it as well> Jolly good Sir!
You did well to get all that done in 25 minutes
One tip to help to avoid mixing up the old and new filters, as well as documenting when the oil was last changed, is to mark the date of the oil change on the side or end of the new filter with a permanent marker. Give it time to dry before installing it.
As a retired auto/truck tech I use a shop towel or paper towel to grip the oil filter and I am generally able to loosen the oil filter by hand. I know this vlog is 2 yrs old, but you are never too old to learn from others. Enjoy your vlogs and notavlogs as well! Even your odd sense of humor! LOL!
I just watched and enjoyed a 13 minute tutorial of how to perform an oil change on a narrow boat. I don't even live in england.
Neither do many of my viewers :-) Welcome.
I’ve changed oil hundreds of times in many kinds of engines, but listening to you describe it in your English was very interesting.
Even though you play down your skills,you do have a good DIY talent that will only improve.
Thank you
Methods for getting oil filters off:
1) Screwdriver through it- If all goes wrong then you can rip the filter in two and only leave a little stump left
2) Duct tape ( Wrap once in duct tape sticky side in, then turn and wrap once sticky side out) -Mullers your hands
3) Water pump pliers- Usually work, or take all your knuckles off
Also smearing the rubber sealing ring on the filter before putting it on is a good idea
Screwdriver is the very last resort!
Job well done,David! If you find yourself in need of grubby old towels give me a yelp! " Shoving small children in tight spaces." You may well laugh. My parents owned a marina and during the winter season my father restored antique boats. I was one of the small children shoved in tight spaces ! Cheers!
So you know it's true! Haha
David, although you look like you should be giving tutorials on computer repair, I am so impressed with your mechanical ability. You are amazing!
A bit off subject but.... I was noticing how very nice your wood looks in the background of the opening of this video. Absolutely stunning :)
If there is a You Tube emmy or Oscar for the most entertaining oil change you are a shoe in. Great VLOG as always.
Haha, getting into the very niche categories by that point I think!
If you use latex gloves while doing an oil change, you'll be amazed at the difference - you'll be able to grab the old filter and turn it off without a tool, properly tighten the new one, keep your hands clean and avoid burns as well.
You had done a wonderful job. You knock yourself too much. I love your comments. If i was english i expect i would have the same jokes. I am only a quarter english. Bit of a mutt. The camera work was fine. I forgot you mentioned it. I grew up and live in Ely MN. Usa. No canals. Many many lakes.
You've come a long way from those early days of knowing very little David :) Love the fact you're getting really confident about doing stuff on the boat and sharing it with us :)
I do feel better about this kind of stuff, 'tis true
Many thanks David , love your simple no nonsense approach in language that us newbies can understand. As we might say no " snot en trane ! "
Cheers Sheila!
Who needs college when we have you :) priceless information.
Thank you :-)
Thumbs up! Thank you. Loved the vlog, enjoyable, as always. Closing out with a teaser of your trip along the Avon was excellent, if shameless bate. ~Maggie & Dave, Vermont, US
The pics are too lovely not to tease!
Dave you have me in stitches, your facial expressions are great, you should be a comedian and change your name to chuckling the cut.
great vlog as per norm
Use a leather belt to remove the filter. Put it on such that when you tighten the belt around the filter, it is pulling counterclockwise on the filter. THEN put your right hand on the belt with your palm against the buckle junction and twist both the belt and the filter while also pulling on the loose end of the belt in the same direction with your left hand. As soon as it breaks loose, remove the belt quickly before you get oil on it and it stains the leather. Works like a charm.
Ensure that the old filter has its O-ring still attached because sometimes the O-ring will remain stuck to the engine .. and that will cause a double O-ring at the base of the new filter. You don't want that because it will leak between the two O-rings very badly.
Wet the rubber O-ring on the new filter lightly with the used engine oil before installing it. Tighten ONLY HAND-TIGHT.
All the stuff the Haynes manuals don't tell you and you have to learn the hard way. Holding the oil container on its side, is a tip well worth knowing, to avoid spillage.
"Don't go overboard" is very good advice, especially when you're on a narrowboat. Well, any boat for that matter ;)
:-)
Any old plastic pop/milk bottle cut in half makes a splendid funnel and can be tailored to your needs
But clean it out first!
Three useful reminders when making a funnel for something like this:
1. Does the opening of the bottle actually FIT the fill port?
2. Will you be able to cut it safely without cutting yourself?
3. Will whatever you're trying to pour through said funnel eat away at the plastic the bottle was made of?
I still make fun of a friend from high school who managed to fail on all three points when trying to change oil on his first truck. No idea what the bottle he used was, but it did not like having engine oil poured on it.
Hi David, this video has been of particular interest for me! I looked at a boat yesterday as a potential liveaboard for myself and although it didn't have a vintage engine, it was midship in its own little room. I can now see the advantages - not only an excellent drying room but easy access for maintenance! My house sale is agreed - just waiting to exchange contracts before buying my dream!! Keep up the good work - like everyone else I love your videos. Cindy
Glad it was helpful; good luck in your sale and boat purchase. Yes, there's a lot to be said for a proper engine room!
Another thing you can use to get the oil filter off is a leather belt, just make sure that your trousers don't fall down in the meantime!
:-)
purchase a second leather belt for the engine.
What about those rubbery pads available in kitchen gadget shops for removing jar lids? Less than 50p I'd think. I mean, if you're not going to spend the 2 pounds for the actual correct tool, and want to save that bit of weed hatch gasket for shimming/padding a small gap, or something.
Good ideas all!
Those insert shots of your engine sitting on gravel constitute spoilers for a future vlog! (Which I’ve already seen in passing in a title somewhere) can’t wait to get to that one.
the oil on the filter seal , is more to help you get it off again , screw it on dry ,,and there will be very bad language when its time for your next filter change,,,,excellent vlog too;0 thanks
A few recommendations. 1. Commentor Stuart White is correct, always check the the new oil filter gasket is in place on the new filter (they are occasionally missing or misaligned) make sure there isn't another gasket stuck on the filter adapter on the engine. 2. "Prefill" the new filter with fresh oil and allow a few minutes for the element to absorb the oil, then recheck. It's prevents any "dry" moments on engine start up. 3. While lubrication of the new filter gasket with oil is acceptable, you would b better served to use a finger full of grease for lubrication. It's non-stick properties are a bit better. 4. Switch to a 100% synthetic, diesel grade lubricant. The sulphur in diesel engine oil (added for anti-wear and anti-scuffing,) tends to aggressively combine with the water vapor always found in the bilge, to form sulphuric acid in the oil which ultimately attacks the engine bearings. 100% synthetic lubricants also have a longer service life. (Credentials upon request)
On that last point, definitely not. I am using the correct, manufacturer-specified multigrade mineral oil, as used on pretty much all narrowboat engines. Trust me, it's the right stuff for this job.
If you buy 2 liter sodas, save one and cut 2 inches to 6 inches below the cap. That will probably work good as a funnel.
Even though I already know how to change oil in a similar engine, mines a gas engine & I don't have an oil pump on the side of mine Your vlogs are still very interesting & I just love them.
I just watched Robbie put new heat tube or something like that on his exhaust. He was having some issues getting it started, but he got them sorted out & got the job done right. He told us that he's not that good with engine work.
I'm made to do it myself, bc I don't have the money to pay someone to do it for me. We do what we can & I have a very trust worthy place I can take mine to if need be. He always does me right.
I glad you gave your home new food until it's time to do it again. Have a wonderful week cruising around.
Cheers, Chris
Yes I watched Robbie having fun with his exhaust wrap; hilarious. He did a nice job in the end.
Nothing wrong at all with how you change your oil and filter - it’s spot on. I’ve lost count of how many generators I’ve serviced in my life - dozens a week for over a decade and the process is the same from something small like your engine right through to the largest of engines (that’s a 60 litre, V16, 2500HP for me). Good work. 👍
Special inexpensive oil absorbent pads and sheets are available here in the US at every marine supply store. They do a fantastic job and do not become waterlogged. Consider placing one under the engine at all times to contain leaks and spills, you will be glad you did so. Cruise on!
I have those, cheers
When you mention the head cam I was worried however you actually kept it remarkably still. Informative video and again you even admit to any mistakes like a very hot engine.
Yes, I was worried, too, and yes, I didn't feel a bit sea-sick!
Hi David I have followed your vlogs from day one and thoroughly enjoyed them, it was nice to see how confident you come across regarding maintenance when you consider your initial honest declarations in the early days. Also enjoyed your podcast with the indie projects and your acknowledgement to sort of interesting as an early pioneer as it where.
Thank you for the continued vlogs it's much appreciated.
Kind regards
Paul
Hi Paul, thanks for that, much apppreciated!
Thanks, David. Very instructive. Didn't feel sick. Top tip we were given is to lubricate the new filter seal by kissing it against the old one, which still has oil on it.
Yucky old oil though! I'd rather smear fresh oil on. Glad you liked it.
One comment. The Cummins people recommend change your oil, fuel and Air Filter with every oil change. My techs all say they have never seen an engine as tight or the condition so good when they look at the Milage they are amazed. All I do is follow the Manufacturers Guild lines. And it runs the same after 1,000,000 plus as it did the first day we bought it. Diesel engines are really very well designed and if you look after them they will reward you with extremely faithful service. As I used to operate as an On Demand operator this meant being called out at all hours of the day or night to go anywhere nominal with in 2000 Mile Radius. It was interest work and I drove to good and bad conditions all weather. Certainly not as nice as your "Driving" on the canals but I did enjoy it for 15 years. Please Stay Safe and please get your Vaccination as soon as you can. It is Very Important.
Thank you David. Not as badly shot as you made it out to be! Happy engine, happy cruiser. Happy cruiser, more vlogs for us wannabes!
Excellent, cheers
"Shambolic" my new favorite word! Thanks for the info!
I'm rather fond of it myself :-)
Good to see something that can be used in both your "stash container" and on your oil filter.
Haha
Quite enjoyable. I used to change oil and filter on cars some 40+ years ago. At least, I could put the car on a lift and do it from underneath. And I used that filter removing wrench with a strap. Learned a lot back then. Learning more now. Keep on cruising.
Cheers
David: this is not a tutorial
Also David: groan a little, like an old man
Clearly this is the most comprehensive tutorial of all time why you lying
Thank you for the videos! I'm a recent subscriber in America binge watching the old vlogs. I envy your lifestyle and hope to follow that path someday soon. Keep up the good work and we will enjoy your adventures vicariously for now!
Hi Jerry. Thanks for tuning in, glad you like them. Cheers
Great breakdown of this whole messy process - thank you!
I always wondered how you changed the oil... The pump makes perfect sense.
I like vlogs like this please make more on the basic up keep and how you get on in your boat as well outside :)
I tend to do these over winter when I'm not cruising, so it's back to cruising next but more DIY from November-ish
I cannot lie...I nearly didn't watch this video to it's conclusion. I thought, "when will I ever change the oil on a narrowboat engine?" Well, it may never happen but, I have to tell you that this is one of your most entertaining videos I have seen. It really made me laugh. Not at all boring and a very real approach to mechanics. No filter wrench? Let's improvise...loved it. And yes, the head cam did make me a little woozy....Thanks for the great video..
Glad you liked it, wooziness notwithstanding!
Another interesting episode, David. Thank you. I really enjoy your adventures and I look forward to seeing "behind the scenes" episodes like this one. It shows that real life is more than just chugging up and down calm canals in fair weather through chocolate box top scenery and that you do occasionally have to get your hands dirty. Nice one!
Thank you. I've been de-rusting the bilge these last few days (vlog eventually) so yes, there's a fair bit of muckiness!
I just noticed (duh) the engine you were using as a demonstration model for locating the filters, pump etcetera was not the one fitted in the boat as the access was too easy! Fooled me!
Actually it is exactly the same engine but filmed at a different time (namely today) whilst it's out of the boat!
Drat! Fooled me twice!
You know my friend, I think you were born to do this! Please keep up the amazing work!
i tell a lot of people this---if you keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut, you might learn something. and i did---i have tons of foam tape like you are using on your weed hatch. it has given me some ideas on hard to remove items--and not necessarily oil filters. thanks for the tip!!!
I once blindly reached down as you did, took off the old filter, put on the new filter, and motored away very happy.. until the alarm went off and all the new oil was in the bilge. When the old filter came off, it left its rubber gasket behind and i piled another one on top with the new filter. All the oil shot out between them. Yes, I should have checked... and you can bet I do now. Hopefully at least one person avoids this mess for having read this.
Bryan Allen I’ll be changing mine soon so will keep an eye on it, thanks for the heads up
@@philrobinson215 Thanks for saying so. Cheers.
Nothing beats the luxury of a CCTV camera and LED lighting in the engine bay ;) Cheap one will do.
I'm watching the oil glug in and thought " Well, that looks just like a nice olive oil, I wonder..." 😁 Yes, just fling in a bit of balsamic vinegar and some snipped herbs and you're ready for lunch!
Yuck!
Well done great job.
David, another great vlog, even with the disclaimers! I don't know why, but I always enjoy it when you're mucking about with your engine. I'm looking forward to the one you mention where the engine has been pulled out to work on the rust in the bilge. As always, enjoying your adventures on the cut!
Haha thanks. That one's a little way off even if the work is being done now. It will come though!
Very few can make something as mundane as an oil change entertaining, well done. Did you know that some in the marine maintenance business refer to paper towels as "white gold", haha.
Fair winds.
"White gold" haha. I agree!
Hi....always clean the surface that the filter screws on to as contamination here can cause the filter not to seal flat.also you can use sand paper to unscrew the filter as the grit acts as a key.nice vids!carry on up the canal sidney. Best wishes.simon.
Good tips! If only I could actually see where the filter screws on, things would be a lot easier!!
Great video. Only thing i could even add is to always check the old filter to see if the gasket is stuck to it, sometimes it gets stuck on the engine.
Good tip
I'll second that. Happened to me once. Old o-ring/gasket stuck to the engine block (you can't easily see that if you are working by feel). Two gaskets don't seal once the oil is under pressure and I dumped an entire load of oil when I started the engine.
As John said, check the old filter for the gasket, that can save some grief.
Also, worth wiping the surface the gasket bears on, to make sure there isn't any grit or foreign matter that could stop the gasket sealing, or worse, get into your engine.
A mirror might help? Either a hand held one, or one mounted on a wood block at an angle which you place so you can see the filter mount point on the engine.
Catching up on some older vids. Love your easy to follow technical terms ie blindly flail about !
Wanted to say Your show is top notch and Bristol. Also really liked your indie projects interview. Great stuff!
Ah, thank you! I only listened to that today myself, I thought they did a nice job on it. Cheers
Good show old Bean!
After running the motor, always wait 5-10 minutes before checking the level. Otherwise there's a risk of overfilling.
Also fill to the high mark before starting after a change. You know the level will drop.
As potentially shaky head-cams go, you don't need to apologize, it wasn't bad at all I would say.
Thank you. I did cut out a few bits of extreme wobbliness :-)
Good editing then. :)
Did you see the recent attempt by Minimal List to attach a camera to their dog? Now THERE'S shaky (but interesting for a SHORT experiment).
A crude awakening,double sided tape and a pair of rubber gardening gloves works well on the old filter...
That was great. Very informative and I didn't feel seasick at all. Given how hot the engine was you did well to keep your head so still. You make jobs about the boat very absorbing.
Good! I chopped out some of the bits where I was moving more vigorously :-)
Brilliant video so utterly hilarious yet very informative , I'm off to do my genny's oil change right now. Thank you 😊
I have to change those kind of filters on the sump systems on the precision match grinding machinery I work with. Believe me when I say that this really was professionally done!
Good job.
I always put on an old pair of washing up gloves when changing the engine oil on my motorcycle. Saves getting oil all over your hands, which is apparently carcinogenic once all black and used.
It is. I don’t usually bother because the oil changes are so infrequent and done and dusted so quickly. If I were doing it every day, I’d be more worried.
LIKED THE WAY YOU DID THE OIL CHANGE WELL DONE
Thank you
Very interesting and helpful. Thanks David. Look forward to your next Vlog on The Avon.
Cheers
Splendid name on your engine 😋
Thanks for reviving the old memories of having to change the oil on my vehicles. I used the screwdriver through the filter once then I went out a brought the proper filter wrench. It never failed that I had to buy to buy an extra quart of oil as it was an odd amount of oil to fill to the proper level. That was many years ago when oil only came in quart bottles. Before that oil came on a paper can with metal top and bottom. One either used a church key or a screwdriver to puncture the lid. Anyway thanks for the video...Cheerio😊
I broke a filter wrench and crushed a filter trying to get one off, ended up having to pound a screwdriver thru it
50 quid for a week works out to 2600 a year, which is a fair old amount for just one little river, compared to what the CRT charges for all of its canals. But that’s what you get when you’re paying for one week instead of 52.
That was a very quick oil & filter change, you done good as they say.
Last time I did an oil change on my car I ran over the oil drain pan containing 4L of old oil.
It took a lot of kitty litter to clean that up.
Thanks for this, it is all extremely useful and very interesting, I’m really enjoying the vlogs! In fact I now take notes 😂 We have a plan and lots of research is the starting point. Very exciting to think we might be cruising the cut too before too long.
Another great video David and yep, I was one of those surprised at the cost to join the river lol
:-)
Hi David very interesting for me as i have not seen an oil change before great vlog as usual
Glad you liked it
Hi david. Just want to say. You do some great video. They much helpful when your looking into living on a boat. Keep up the good work and keep them videos coming lol
Cheers Paul
Good Gin and Tonic👍❤️
I've been doing oil and filter changes on my engines for over 50 years. I simply waited until Saturday to to it with engine ice cold. No burns but don't be in a hurry as the cold oil flows slowly. Still and all never had a problem other then time, took roughly one hour to do. Including refilling with oil. Never had a burn doing this way. Roughly 30 minutes to drain the oil pan , replace the drain plug (aka turn the valve closed on a narrow boat ) then refill with fresh oil and a new oil filter, refill the oil to the approximate level and replace the oil fill cap. Done.
That was fine, I can't wait to change mine! I only have one problem, I now need to find a shop that sells G&T. Or maybe that reward is for the person changing the oil not the one watching the video! Thanks. I hope the engine went back in the boat without any problems.
I'll find out on Tuesday :-)
before you put in the new oil take the dippstick out.
then you can fill the oil faster the air can escape via the dippstick hole.
It would make no difference, you can hardly pour the oil so fast as to totally block the filler hole, and indeed nor should you. It needs to be slowly poured.
CruisingTheCut On some engians it does makes a differance it just depends witch model and or brand.
That was really interesting; thank you.
Good, cheers
Well done with this. I do admire your dedication and tenacity -I do know I would not attempt this maintenance knowing I only had about half an hour to do it. 👍
It was a bit of a scramble but it's even quicker if you don't try to film it :-) 25 mins is fine though!
Davy, you should have been a lecturer! Your attention to detail was great.
Thank you!
Thank you for that, I always wondered how you did an oil change, on my auto you just get under and drain the oil and wondered how it worked on a narrowboat.
You are reeling me in to put the canal life on my bucket list!! Very informative, done this on my van, but your filter seems small for size of the engine....difficult space to get at!!! Luv all your vids!
Thank you. It's definitely the correct filter (there is another version of the same engine that has a bigger one - and less frequent oil change intervals too!)
So glad I watched this
Many moons back I was a time served diesel technician working on Gardner,Lister,Petter and paxman to name some with a pet hate for BMC and Perkins but only once for a mate took the top off a boat BMC (😩)
And never touched another inboard marine engine since.
I did wonder about getting the oil out to change it
A pump
yay question answered
But just a thought when removing the filter I would try to put a plastic container ( margarine tube ) under to stop any mess
Love the vlogs and we hope to be on the water pretty soon
Please come back asap because some of the other boat vlogs are awful
😀👍
Cheers. I am back but doing fewer videos, on subjects of interest to me (see vlog 238 for why)
Well done ! And your filming was not bad at all. I'm going to throw some tips at you for oil changes . When I had a inboard 4.3 litre motor on a boat . Any other tool to remove the filter is those rubber type gripper some people use for opening jars . Here in the colonies they give them away with advertising something or other. You can remove the hand pump changer and use a power drill that has a approved petroleum pump . And put the cap on the fill. A lot easier and less work . Also on your filters oil or fuel write on it date of change . Us oil guys can't remember poop. And with my visual issues I . Lastly use some paper towels or a baby diaper below the oil filter to catch and drip age. Again thanks for your Vlog .
I find this vlog moor entertaing and experienced less stomach upset than when I watched Cloverfield.
haha, good!
Brilliant thanks 😁👍👏👏👏
You can also use some sand paper if the fuel or oil filter if its hard too get off
that was actually great fun! (from here.) lol. cant wait for the next
Good!
Nice vid mate.
Ta
one thing to be careful of when removing the old filter, is sometimes the o ring sticks to the block, this will cause a leak if you spin on the new filter with the old o ring in place
Good tip
Very funny and a joy to watch. Maybe make a list of engine tools you need as many 'petrol heads' have many, many spare tools that we would gladly donate to a good cause.
Great step by step oil change episode! I do the exact same thing everytime I change the oil on my engine....think I've put in more than enough oil in and it doesn't even show on the dip stick! haha
Glad it's not just me!
I was glad it was not just me as well! ha