Finally, a S&W that Interests Me - TheFirearmGuy
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I am a S&W, Colt, Remmington, Glock certified armorer and I can personally tell you that S&W's quality control issues started when they went after MIM's parts & pieces on a whole scale manner, like they did. They have fallen into the trap that they believe they are invincible and the best out there and nothing is wrong with their current designs. They are wrong.
From my understanding, the QC seems to vary from line to line. Their service pistols like the M&P9's, M&P45's, M&P15's, etc., are fine. But their revolvers and their newer models have been having a lot of problems. Is that your assessment?
That's why I got Smith and Wesson 686 plus revolver. 357 magnum power baby. No issues !!!
I own the following S&W pews.
-M&P 2.0 9MM zero problems
-M&P Sport II 5.56 zero problems
-Shield Plus 9MM PC zero problems.
In my opinion, S&W offers an excellent selection and high quality firearms for a very reasonable price.
Get the FPC and your S&W journey is about done. LOL
My last 3 S&W revolvers all had to go back for issues. Misaligned barrel on one, and no rifling in the barrels of the other two. One was actually a smooth bore. Based on our very small sample size, they are at a 50% acceptable quality rate
Its their revolvers(which is ironic as hell since they are the revolver King) which are plagued with issues as of late.
Based
@@ronprice76I had to send back my FPC for light primer strikes. They replaced a defective bolt. Now works flawlessly.
I am a graduate of S&W Firearms Instructor as well as Armorers school for Law Enforcement in the 80s. My son purchased a S&W 500 this year and had it shipped to local dealer. It was supposed to be a product of the premium hand assembled individual fitted process. What a boat anchor. It was his dream gun of his last deployment. Dreams were disappointed especially when the front sight broke on the second round of discharge. He grew up handling my service weapons that I had worked on and his dreams as well as mine were dashed when he picked up the "CUSTOM SHOP" boat anchor. They have taken a really good designed weapon and ruined it with the changes in design and lost the professional gunsmithing attributes.
I purcahsed a S&W EZ Performance Center on Friday. Took it home, dry fired the trigger a few times and it would not reset. Took it back to the store the next day and it had to be sent back to S&W for repair. I purchased this firearm as a potential EDC for my wife. I concur with you, S&W has some QC issues.
👍👍Thanks Dan. I Own several s&w semi autos and revolvers and I have to say I’ve never had an issue with any of them. I know different people have different experiences with all the gun manufacturers but s&w has always been great for me and my wife. We both carry a s&w semi auto everyday and we’ve never had any problems . But like I said at the beginning different people have different experiences. I will say the M&P line is my favorite line of pistols.
Same here, no issues with Smith&Wesson.
I've been an S&W fan since I was 14 and bought a M27. An SD9VE was terrible.
When the Shields came out, I saved up and bought a 45 Shield. Hated it. After the second catastrophic failure, which was common enough there are You Tube videos about it, I took a bath and traded it on a Glock 30SF. I became a Glock queer.
Love S&W, but nothing in the line I lust for.
@@keithgraham9547so you lust for Glock blocks? Lmao whatever buddy that's pathetic.
@@jessebailey5962 Right back at you. Every Glock I've owned goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
Can't say that about the Shield. Two catastrophic failures, and finding many other people had the same thing happen, and I bought something other than S&W for the first time in 40 years.
Too bad really. I still love their revolvers.
I think it's a multi - industry, worldwide problem, not just firearms.. A sign of the times.
I've had 0 problems from any of my S&W M&Ps (3 of them) but only ones I've ever had or used.
I already got the SD9 2.0, I also have the first Gen. The 2.0 is better and since the mags are interchangeable I don’t have to buy any extras. I literally just picked it up from my FFL yesterday took it out at 10am this morning put 300 rounds thru it no issues at all. I got it from KYGUNCO for $299. Perfect Car/Truck gun. It’s accurate enough to do the job it’s intended for. I also picked up the new Spec BTW. Awesome gun in case you were wondering. But I personally have never had an issue with S&W. Their customer service has always been excellent for me. But yeah the gun is absolutely worth it.
Personally, I have enough handguns in 9mm. Now, if they do this in .40 Caliber, I might be interested. (I only have 2 pistols in .40 S&W). Or beef it up and make a budget pistol in 10MM. I would be a buyer then.
Yes, the killary hole is a no-go for me.
Been carrying the M&P 2.0 compact for years. Zero problems. Trust my life with it.
You must not fire it much or damn lucky.
@@Ray-vq2jcIt's Probably Neither.
The M&P 2.0 Series Is A Very Reliable Firearm.
@@ChristianConstitutionalist3192 Could have fooled me , my M&P Shield had a dead trigger new in the box.
@@Ray-vq2jcwell obviously that means that's every gun. Obviously no other company has lemon's. Get over yourself or go to your shop and build one yourself with absolutely 0 fails over millions of guns. When did gun guys become such Nancy's
With the exception of the M&P 10mm out of the seven S&Ws I bought over the past 2 year have been great. The 10mm had tons of issues but S&W was really good about it and I sent it in and got it back in 7 weeks and works perfect now. The gun I like the most is the CSX, it's small 10-13 rounds metal frame single action, people complain the trigger is heavy but I didn't find it that bad.
I have never had a problem with any of my S&W firearms. That goes for my M&P's, Shield, and various revolvers.
As long as that trigger lock is on the revolvers, I will not buy one... they should never have been put on those tools to begin with. The new 2.0 version delutes and confuses folks with the other offerings from S&W imo... as well as profit margins with a separate production line. They have plenty of budget offerings such as Shield, Shield EZ... Intro S&W M&P 2.0's are available on sale regularly at really reasonable prices. But, I always say, "choices are a good thing."
Just like Hillary doesn't have a place in a weapon.
Agree on the Hillary hole. I refuse. I've been buying Rugers and Colts
I've never had any issues with Smith&Wesson and I don't own the ones you have problems with. I continue to support them as I have a 45acp as my daily carry for 4 years that I've had modified with a trigger and spring, polished internals, etc.
Smith and wesson makes my favorite guns but I too have had quality control issues with the newer ones (my shield plus had a pin fall out) . I'm hoping now that the Maryville factory is up and running (local to me) the quality control will go up. I really want a 686 plus
I think any savvy gun buyer who purchases via the internet would be foolish to pass on the CZ p10-C at it's current discounted price right now. I would pick that over almost every budget polymer 9mm going. That being said, I do want the new updated S&W SD, but not until next year when the price will inevitability go down or when S&W does their yearly rebates right around November.
This is a fact I got the CZ P10C for 372 and it is far superior to the Smith & Wesson budget option. People should definitely take advantage of buying that. I have several other Striker fired guns as well but could not pass up the CZ while it's at this price. This gun could easily go for 500 like it did when it came out and people would still pay it.
@@jdinn32 I paid $317
I have an SD9VE and bought it (pre-COVID) because it was inexpensive and the mags (at the time) were super affordable. It was bought as a range gun and it's been a good gun, so there is no reason to replace it.
I agree. They make it budget friendly, that sd9 2 would be a nice pick up
I just bought an SD9 2.0 at Academy Sports for $299.
I already own a Gen 1 SD9VE
and a Gen 1 SD9. And they are both great guns. So i'm excited to see how this one compares.
I once read that the least returned firearm at Smith & Wesson was the Sigma/SD line.
I must be lucky .... all my S&Ws I own have been 100% functional ...
For what I’ve heard, the trigger in the SD9 2.0 is WAY better than the previous! They should’ve done this long time ago and they probably would’ve seen more sales and less people selling theirs.
Saw they are available at academy for $299 right now
I think the SD9 will be a great pistol for $300 now that they have fixed the trigger... Years ago I had a sigma and liked it except for the trigger which I actually modified to be pretty good...It was accurate and the grip was very comfortable in my hand but I ended up selling it for a reason I no longer remember.... Several months ago I bought a shield plus and really like the new flat-faced trigger in that.
I bought a sigma in 2009. I don’t shoot it as much anymore but it has always functioned reliably. I never even bothered changing the trigger I just got used to it. It still shoots really good.
I'd like to see that new S&W SD 9 2.0 in "forty" for sure!
I might try it out. I liked everything on the SD9 except the trigger .. so maybe. Thanks for the video Dan 👍👍
Carried a Sigma .40 on duty for about 5 years. Never had a problem and was the most comfortable pistol I shot so far. After about 5K rounds the groups went from 2" to 4-5" and I dumped it for a G17 and didn't look back at S&W for anything.
Just picked one up here where i live for $299.99 so far im liking it 100 rounds in no problems so far so seems like a good gun for the money
I'm a fan of Smith & Wesson, for the most part.
I have a Gen 1 SD9VE that I love.
I modded it with a Galloway Precision trigger and a Mcarbo spring kit. I also added some Hi Viz fiber optic sights.
I love carrying that gun. It has been 100% reliable.
I also have a Gen 1 M&P 9 Shield.
I put a Crimson Trace Laserguard on it with some fiber optic sights. I also added a MagGuts +2 conversion to 2 8 round mags. It carries like a dream in a belly band holster. 100% reliable, as well.
The one newer Smith & Wesson I just couldn't get behind was a Model 57 Classic 41 Mag I had. I payed close to $1000 for it. Not worth it in my opinion.
It had the internal firing pin and the pressed on barrel shroud.
I used to have a Model 27 357 Mag back in the 80's that I absolutely loved.
I could kick myself for selling it.
I was hoping this newer Model 57 would fill that void. It didn't. Nice looking gun and all. I ended up selling it. I don't miss it either!
The older models with the pinned barrels and the firing pin on the hammer are way better!
No stupid Hillary Hole either!
Great video, as always, Dan!
What will make it interesting and a possible purchase for me is the aftermarket support. This is one I have been looking at since the announcement as well.
These are selling for $299 already on Grabagun, but with only one mag
Ive owned several m&ps. No issues. Great affordable firearms.
I've had trouble twice now & had to send back to S&W my PC Shield Plus 4" ported barrel with fiber optic sights. But to be honest, I've sent my P365 back to Sig 3 times, my P365XL to Sig 3 times (twice for dead triggers). I've shot to death my Ruger LC9sPro and a 1st Gen CZ P10C & both gave me new pistols & the new P10C was a 2nd Gen which is a most wonderful pistol. I've sent back my Ruger LCP2 and my Kimber Micro 9 as well. I've also sent back my Springfield Ronin Elite 1911 in 10 mm as the breech face was rough from the factory, but after they resurfaced it, it is now 100%. I've only got 1 Glock, a 10 mm Glock 20 but I was able to rebend the slide stop spring (twice) to get it to function properly. I don't especially care for Glocks, but they seem to be WAY MORE DURABLE. But I shoot thousands of rounds through some of these pistols, and that's why they fail so often.
Right out of the gate, it’s selling for $299 here, the same price as the outgoing SD9.
When I entered the Revolver World S&W was having problems with canted barrels. I went to a few LGS and sure enough they had canted barrels on them.
I went with the GP100, bought a hammer spring kit, and dry fired a lot. The trigger is excellent. I always shoot DA.
Ruger had a thing for 12# revolver triggers. I picked up an LCR-X and the DA trigger was not a 12# trigger. So maybe they have changed their philosophy.
I admire the SD series for its original trigger. The SD9VE is the first firearm I ever shot at a CPL class, and people thought I was an experienced shooter by the way I was grouping with that pistol. I don't think the trigger pull is too heavy for the average person, but to be fair, I have exceptional hand and finger strength from years of strength training and grappling; however, I think the original SD9VE is an excellent choice for new shooters looking for a self defense option because of the trigger. Like Hrfunk highlighted in his video on the SD9VE, it has the type of trigger that's forgiving in the sense that you're not going to pull the trigger unintentionally due to stress and panic. The trigger is more than manageable, and it makes for a deliberate shot when you're ready to shoot at the intended target. I'll probably swing by a gun range to try out the new SD9 2.0 though, if and when they have it available.
I bought the M&P9 2.0 9mm compact a couple months ago, so far no issues.
The Hillary Hole‼️😂 I’m dying. Great video as usual.
Nobody wants to use it, not even Bill!
We'll have to see what quality S&W produces once their move to Tennessee completes.
If it gets good reviews this seems like the gun you'd recommend to your friend that isn't really a gun guy. Major manufacturer, great price, very shootable
Well said - S&W continues to make puzzling choices on a daily basis. Whether it's the Kel-Tec inspired new product lineup, lousy quality control, or being asleep at the wheel when it comes to their revolver division (I'll never purchase a new S&W revolver with that internal lock and hole, and how are they missing out on a 3" K-frame carry gun?), I sincerely hope they get things together sooner than later. The SD9 re-release is a good start.
Don’t knock the 9 mm folding carbine till you try it. It’s awesome!
Agree on everything. Especially the Hilary hole revolvers. Look at what Rossi did with the RP63! That's what people want with a S&W revolver.
It would be a great gun for a first time gun owner. Especially with the S&W name that carries more prestige than other4 budget options like Taurus or PSA. That name prestige matters to some people especially new gun owners who want to feel like they have a reputable brand behind them for their only gun.
My first handgun purchase was a gen1 M&P9. I still have it, still love it. I bought the CSX 9mm when it first released because it was different than the other “Me too” micro-compacts. I still love that gun too, and I’ll certainly continue supporting the company. I’m with TFG regarding lack of interest in S&W’s rifles & shotguns of late. It’s a lot of chasing the market, kind of like the kid who only does what the other cool kids are doing. It feels like there might be some internal conflict within the company between the marketing team, the team of engineers, and the obligatory team of lawyers. Not sure who might be getting the upper hand lately.
Sd9 2.0 vs PSA Dagger vs Taurus g3 video incoming?
OMG Oh I am with ya Brotha all the way!!! YESSSSSS would definitely be interested and YAY
YOU for bringing this to our attention!! YOU DO ROCK!!!!
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Not sure if they make a optic ready but if they do i would consider.
I own several Smith & Wesson, and none of them have had problems. I carry my shield plus every day. I have a bodyguard for those days when nothing else will do. The MP medal is one of the best guns out there. Customer service has been greatand is based in America. I think the haters need something better to do.
Wow....I know we're all different and each have our likes/dislikes. All I can say is I've been a S&W guy for years and have NEVER had an issue with any of them. Just added a Shield Plus....it's a great gun!
I have a SD9 (1st gen) and would like to upgrade to the new trigger. I hope they will sell it on its own.
8yrs ago I bought a 629 off Gunbroker, new. After 100rds I couldn't get sighted in(POI 2" left at 7yds) I put it in the back of the safe. Last year I decided to either get it sorted out or sell it. After some research I find there was a production run that left the factory with the barrel incorrectly timed/clocked. Contacted S&W customer service, sent it in. Got her back 2 weeks later shoots like a different gun. 25yds soda can free hand all day(good for me).
Use Original Precision or TK Custom to order your Hillary Hole metal matching aftermarket “plug”. On line instructions to install too.
I’ve already seen it listed for sale at 300 through academy. I’m kinda interested too. I really liked the sd9ve when the trigger was upgraded. This one looks pretty good from the git go
i have the m&p 2.0 the newer version and the m&p shield plus love it. i didnt like the m&p equalizer too snappy for me and I've had open heart surgery this year 2023.
I agree with steven3379...its a multi industry issue. I myself had a glock 29 sf that was a lemon out of the box. Glocks customer service sucks too. Sold that for a kahr cm40. Plastic mag followers with small metal slide stop tabs just dont hold up after 60 rounds of cci blazers. Another call made to kahr for replacement mag followers. (For free) but still was annoying that gun couldn't make thier suggested break-in period of 200 rounds without some issue. Very disappointing. My 2 cents.
I have had two bad S&Ws in the last year. I can no longer trust them enough to give them anymore business.
Own a S&W Shield plus.. paid 449 with OR cut, high vis tritium night sites and a total of 4 13rd mags and 1 10 rdmag with a carry/sling bag... It shoots great and better texture and feel than my gen 1 Shield 40.... Had a problem with all of the high capacity mags, S&W customer service replaced them quickly with no questions asked...Great gun and features for the price !! Appreciate your video..
You hit the nail on the head
I.have a S&W 64
1980 HEAVY barrel 4 inch 38
The SD9 piqued my interest too…I had the 1.0..I missed it so I bought the 2.0.
I also hate the Hillary hole on Smith and Wesson revolvers and refuse to pay their prices for a 5/6 shot revolver. I've owned an SD40VE for 13 years and it's still working well, I'll take a look at the new SD 2 once the bugs have been worked out of them, if any.
I am not very optimistic about the S&W Wonder 9 as discussed. I know you will judge it fairly as you always do in your excellent reviews.
Interesting. I have bought a number of S&W (all from the M&P line) pistols over the last 3+ years,. Only had problems with one (the bodyguard) and have had no issues with customer service.
I have to agree, I personally love s&w and have had several over the years. Got the new m&p 10mm 2.0 and it wouldn't run a full mag. Looked online and it seems like a lot of people had the same exact issue and when sent in for warranty the literally did nothing. So I tried a few home remedies, same end result. After I started seeing people suggesting $100-$200 in aftermarket parts I just sold it to a pawn shop. Very disappointing, I love the m&p line and I've always wanted a 10mm. Hope this new sd9 will have a better trigger, first edc I bought was a sd40ve. I actually liked it but the trigger was awful.
Almost picked up an SD40, but 40 isn't so popular anymore - great cartridge.
I was very disappointed in the 2.0 10mm - sold it after one trip to the range.
And I agree with all of the issues you bring up. Quality seems to be much lower lately.
Only recent S&W experience is with the Shield Plus. Pistol seems excellent, but one of the 13 round mags was assembled incorrectly - not allowing the follower to fully reach the top of the mag. That was kind of annoying, since it's not hard to assemble correctly, especially from the manufacturer.
I have owned 3 shields and I just went back to the shield plus no regrets it’s the goat 🐐 everyone has there take on reliability mine been great 😎
Had a MP 2.0 9 the front tritium fell out on the third shot, customer service handled it, but it was a little tough. First gun was a SW40VE, terrible trigger but it worked great, also had a SD9, definitely better than the SW by a lot. The 2.0 should kill the market in that price range I think. you can already get them for $299, has me interested.
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion of the current situation with Smith & Wesson revolvers. I used to love and collect their firearms, but haven’t bought one in years as they seemed to have dropped their quality too much. I hate the Hilary hole, it’s a place for sweat and dust to accumulate and mess up the gun. I hate that they quit flash chroming the hammers and triggers on their stainless revolvers, with the blued/color casehardened parts being so easy to rust. If I get another revolver it will be a Colt or a Ruger.
I'm sure there will be folks who will buy the SD9 Version 2.0, providing Smith keeps the price under $300. More than that, I don't think so. I've been very disappointed in Smith revolvers over the past several decades. I had to spend more than $400 to get a "Performance Center" 929JM running the way it should. The last "good" S&W revolver I have was an early 1896 66-2. (You are welcome to shoot that one - it has some history behind it.) However, I do really like my M&P PC 10mm. Out of the box it is everything I expected.
It's $300 at Academy already
I’m interested in checking out the sd9 2.0, lol why not 🤷♂️
As for the Hillary Hole, yeah I would rather have more older smiths to add to my collection, but it isn’t a big deal to me.
I would like to start seeing smith putting the new trigger in all their m&p poly pistols and get away from that hinge thing.
They already made the change, away from the hinge trigger
@@WN_Byers I would love to find a m2.0 4.6” 45acp with the new trigger setup
I have a pre-lock 686 and I wouldn't even contemplate getting one with the lock!
I had the SD40VE years ago I liked minus the trigger I’m interested to see how it will match up to the dagger
I suspect that every few years some suit at S&W announces, "Hey, let's try to be more like Taurus!" Don't think so? Then, explain the Governor!! A couple years back I bought two copies of the same gun from S&W. Both 1911s, purchased about 3 months apart. Both magazine releases broke during firing and fell out!!! "Good enough seems to be their new motto!
Looks good. Improved trigger and half the price of a comparable Glock.
I was lucky enough to get a SW 686 CS1 3 inch from friend’s wife after he died. This was back some time ago. These here made for the border patrol and very limited in 3 inch. Also love all my j frames all older models. 👍🇺🇸
If it turns out to be not any better than my Stoeger STR-9 that was $270 w/3 magazines & 3 back straps, a magazine loader. Stoeger is an unbelievable budget pistol....then I already have a great value priced 9mm Glock clone! I wouldn't need another one!
This pistol interests me. The first iteration of the SD9-2 might have some bugs to work out. If the price drops closer or below the $300 mark, I'd be more compelled to jump on it even sooner than waiting for the next generation to come out.
It's 300 here
I just paid 329$ at academy for one
Awesome video as usual! Once M&P PD trades hit the market I could never understand what the SD9 was for. Over the years I've purchased M&P PD trades from different vendors in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 acp for under $300. For EDC, they are already scratched or have finish wear so I don't have to stress about that and I've fired countless rounds with zero failures.
I'll stick with my Masada but would love to find a Masada S ...
Love the BHP ...
I bought an sd9 recently. It was used but barely. I was very leery after having to fix a few Sigmas for friends. Broken extractor and broken striker, pretty bad groups as well. I like the 2.0 improvements but I honestly don't have a problem with my sd9 trigger but the new trigger and I assume springs sound great. The new top slide serrations are a very nice touch too. I compare the sd9 to my Glocks. About 500 rnds in and very impressed, especially for the money. As to S&W quality, in 40 plus years I've had 2 brand new Smiths go back for fixes. One K frame and one 3rd gen auto. It happens, especially when you consider everyone else has had their fair share of problems too.
I’ve been an M&P fan since I started buying polymer frame handguns. As far as the old Sigma and SD9, when you buy a 300 dollar gun, sometimes you get a 300 dollar gun.
I've only owned one S&W semi auto and it's the M&P 2.0 in 10mm which has been fantastic. The trigger could be improved and I'm considering an upgraded trigger but I like it.
For a cheap 9mm I bought the security 9 and it fits my hand perfectly and has been flawless.
I have an S&W model 520 7 shot 357 with the ti cylinder and I love that thing, can't justify the expense of 627 for one additional round no matter how much I want it.
A Ruger match champ is a good alternative to the Smith if you really hate the lock but the lock on mine has never been engaged so it's just a wasted expense that got past onto me.
It's interesting to me that Rugers price has surpassed Smith.
Thanks
Thanks for the video, is selling for $299 most places, only brings one mag. I own the SDVE, and ordered one SD9 2.0.
Bought a bodyguard 380 acp a few years ago…I like double action but that trigger was horrible. Sold it. Bought a new 43c revolver last summer. Trigger and/or cylinder binding. Many light primer strikes. Sent it back to Smith. They deemed it “unrepairable” and replaced it with another copy (which is fine with me) but the whole process took 3 months. The new copy was better but still some light primer strikes WITH CCI Standard ammo. Ended up taking a significant money hit because I sold that one too. Bought a Ruger 8 shot LCR 22lr…love it.
I still dig Smiths- when they’re made right…and being the objective guy I am, I would say this new Smith 9 (if it’s trouble free) could cut into the Taurus 9 market.
Sd9 with 1 mag for 300? I mean you can put together a psa dagger for 250 that takes Glock mags. I’ve seen cz p10c for 320ish…..I don’t that it’s a great deal for 300 bucks
Bought a .460 revolver about a month ago. The finish sucked for what I paid. Not worth sending back but expected more for S&W. Have a 686 from ‘86 and I love that gun.
Well-said, based on experience, as always. Thanks for the cogent candor. (As a CZ-Colt fanboy, watching Smith through the decades has been entertaining and heart-wrenching.) Glad to hear S&W may have turned a corner. (Any government regulation or requirement isn't needed...allow the free-market to make those decisions.)
It's already $300 here. I'd like to try it cause I don't care for the SD9VE and I'm curious to see if it really is improved. That said, there's a lot of options out there even at that price point these days, so the question I have to ask myself is, do I wanna spend $300 on a new version of a previously disappointing gun, or do I wanna get a SAR, Canik, or Tisas gun, since none of theirs have disappointed me yet.
I’m not really a fan of S&W semi auto handguns but I love their revolvers, but like you said Dan they’re expensive
your right dan when i bought my fpc sw had to send me brand new bcg because it would have constant light primer strikes but they fixed the problem it works great now 👍
I have 2 S&W revolvers with the Hillary Hole and it’s never given me any problems. I’m looking to replace my M&P9 1.0 with their metal spec series this year. Something about that OD green got me super excited.
Hello Dan,
Well said, a crowded field in budget 9 mm. SARS , Canik , Taurus , ect. I saw the new SD9 and was surprised at the resemblances of old but, changes made. I like the budget old one, so I will wait until you get one and tell us what you think. New serrations, new lettering , I love a firearm under $ 500.00
Happy new year Dan
Be well
I have moved away from S&W. Many years ago I had to ship one back twice. Issue was resolved but what an ordeal. Plenty of great other manufacturers out there.
Had issues with their warranty repair department with a few revolvers. Both had barrel issues, and they wouldn't fix them, their shields and M&P line I have had no issues with.
i got an SD9 2.0 about a month ago, i've only put about 150rds thru it so far but it's running great.. a big improvement on the Sigma and the OG SD9VE's
I’m definitely buying an SDVE 9 2.0 since the mags are compatible to the 1.0 (9mm version).
M&Ps are the best value in the game.
Save up for the full blown M&P
43c is fun 8 shot 22 lr revolver, no hilary hole! You can also get 642 and 442 without the locks from smith & wesson new