How do Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard compare to the rest? 🧐 | Eurosport Cycling
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
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“It’s never enough.” Pretty much summed up cycling right there.
Tadej is a stronger all-around rider. Jonas is a great climber, But he really needs a team. You won't see Jonas at Flanders or any big monument race. He is a GC rider in tours. Tadej wants to be the best at everything.
uae was better last tour mate
@@tobiasdencker853 nah :D
@@tobiasdencker853bro he had kuss and van aert and pogi wasnt 100%…. and year before jonas had a better team by far😂
Yeah, he needs a team to gain 1:30 in TT
@@Theorlik16 im talking about their teams dummy
Excellent show! Keep this coming!
Jonas has beaten Pogi for 2-3 years in the greatest and most challenging bike race and sports event TDF.
Yes. Yet Pogacar is the better rider.
@@jooohan Yes makes perfect sence xD
@@high1458 it does.) Road racing is more than just GC riding. Jonas hasn’t stuck his neck outside of GC/TDF much while Pogacar is mixing it with the best also in one day races. And winning.
@@jooohan The fact that Pogacar wins races where the competition is less does not really show that you are the best. If you cannot win the biggest price, it is empty to claim that you are the best.
If Jonas comes in and wins the TDF this year, then Pogi's star will fade massively!
@@jenspetersen5865 my reply is literally just above yours. If you think winning Tour de France makes you the best rider in the world, there’s not much I can write to change your mind.
Btw Chris Froome won Tour de France like four times and is not the first name on anybody’s mind when talking the best ever on a bike. The guy is considered to be one of the worst bike handlers to have won multiple grand tours, actually. Pogacar has beaten Mathieu van der Poel (one of the best bike handlers ever with 6 world champion titles in cyclocross, 2x winner of Roubaix and other monuments) on cobbles of De Ronde. So Tadej is able to ride with Jonas in the mountains, with the best classics riders on cobbles and has made a basically gravel Strade Bianche his pet classic race. Jonas will most probably only race GC events and that is fine. Pogacar is excelling basically across the board as far as World Tour cycling is concerned. If you don’t see the distinction, fair enough. But it is there and it’s not small, really.
Vingegaard is the better mountain climber and very consistent, if a little predictable. Ultimately GC is about the mountains.
True. Mountains. And luck. You can be the best climber in the world but if you crash out of the race--like Jonas, Remco, and Prioz (and others) in the Basque event... you lose. So bike handling, presence, and dumb luck play a big part in pro cycling results. I think that's one reason a guy like Geraint Thomas is working so hard in the Giro stilll-despite being so far back in the GC time-wise from Tadej... because he knows that one tiny mistake could take Tadej out of the race... then suddenly Martinez and Thomas--who are 7 minutes and 8 minute back respectively--are suddely #1 and #2 in GC... with less than a minute separating them. So being 7 or 8 minutes slower on the bike over the entire race--but a better bike handler--or just luckier--might be all it takes to win the Giro some years.
@@Big_Island_BoiG might not even be banking on a crash from Tadej, he's just fighting for second - still plenty of salary bonuses for second place
I See Danish news today and he is ready.good Luck pogi 😂😂😂
I agree. The giro is boring. There is no competion for Pogacar.
Great to see commentary from Robbie the rocket!
Jonas is way more disciplined and consistent over 21 days.
I wonder if Vingegaard's injury will be the trigger to a downfall such as the one Schleck and Froome had, or more like Bernal's drop-off, or none at all?
Either way, it will be a tough ask for Pog or Vin to win the tour this year given the former rode the Giro and the latter missed a month and a half of training.
Jonas will NOT be at 100 percent at the TDF....same for POGI last year....his injured wrist last season hurt his prep.
And Vingegaard's injuries are much more brutal.
@@Soli11 Exactly, but I suspect Jonas will give it a go....
@@mickelkobeck7376 I think so too. If only to be able to ride in the champion's jersey.
I have been an avid TDF fan and watched them for the last 40yrs on TV - the first being Lauren Fignon in 1984 - and i don't think we have ever seen such an exciting line up as we have for this years tour... with Pogacar he is a monster doing things that are unheard of in modern cycling in every type of race - was gutted when his 3 main rivals got injured - but hopefully we see them all at the TDF
which in my opinion makes him the best Cyclist since Eddie M (before my time) and we are lucky to also to have other really outstanding riders in the same era with Primoz & Jonas
my tour prediction for this years tour are 1 Pogacar 2 Primoz 3 Jonas
I hope Jonas will be ready, he has beaten Pogy everytime they have been against each other (Except when Jonas was not Captain of the team)
Is Dan moonlighting here from GCN?
Eurosport has owned GCN for s number of years now. I bet the three original founders made a fair bit of money from the acquisition.
GCN is no more as a race broadcaster
Jonas by edge.
Edging?
@@dadedraak it depends on ur understanding.
Pogi doesn’t like the heat so if it’s very hot it could affect him
I think pogocar is a stronger rider now so should be a great battle
Just want to say that Adam is a proper Yorkshire lad!! Love listening to Adam and his Yorkshire ways. I'm in California and have been for 30+ year so its a right fun time listening to Adam go on😂
Someone should ask Adam if hes wearing his BROWN shorts out on that motorbike!!😂
Brilliant stuff mate!
🤘🏻🏴
So unlucky with the crash vingegaard had!! Pogacar will win this years tour without any trouble
Tadej can win any tournament but jonas only excel in tdf though its the most prestige of all
Jonas arrives at 97% and will be at a 100 in the third week. Visma need a hard race to crack Pogi and can probably rely on UAE to make the first week extremely hard in an attempt to drop Jonas. That will backfire in the last week where Pogi will have one of his bad days.
Pogi is the best overall rider ,classics, mountains,flat tt hilly tt , gravel ,bad weather etc those other guys have to peak to beat pogi , pogi dropped yonas and remco in a race last yr before the tour
I’m the last 50 TDF stages, which includes the last week of 2021 where Jonas was the Jumbo leader, Pogi has taken 30+ secs on Jonas a whopping ZERO times. On the other hand, Jonas has taken 60+ secs on Pogi 5 times. A team can’t do that for you. Jonas is not only the better climber in the high mountains but WAY more disciplined over 21 days.
I bet Visma wish Pogi is pushing 100% every stage to win during Giro…
He even got out of the saddle for a bit during the last climb today!
Jonas is only better than Pogi at very hard, long, preferably hot mountain climbs, which is unfortunately for Pogi the thing you need most to win the Tour de France. I think with Pogi looking a lot lighter this year and Jonas not being at 100% (probably) it might be the first Giro Tour double in a long time.
funny so fast Jonas TDF TT skills is forgotten
People underestimate Jonas all the time.
Of course, Jonas is coming back from injuries this year so it might be different if he's even at the Tour, but Pogacar has never beaten Jonas in a week 3 TT. Jonas has also dropped Pogacar on a climb like Col de Marie-Blanque which is not a particularly beastly climb. It's true that Pogacar can take time on Jonas in most areas, but it's also true that Jonas is good enough to either finish the stages beside Pogi or only a few seconds after.
@@sirrex-ug3ugadmittedly I did forget but not for bad reason. I should clarify by saying his 30m+ power is better than Pogacar’s. His (Vingegaard) two most “impressive” time trials have all come in the 3rd week of the tour, where most of the field is more exhausted and GC riders are trained to do better by week 3. In 2023, in my opinion, Pogi didn’t look 100% and he completely blew up in the third week in general. In 2022 he only lost by like 15s, I know Jonas sat up in like the final Km to give Wout the stage win but in a ~30km time trail, Pogi still stayed really close. On shorter time trials, CDD 23 (lost to Mikel Bjerg), CDD 22 (lost to Roglic, came 7th, 32km TT, so not that short either), Vuelta 23 (lost to Roglic, came 10th overall), TA 22 (lost to Pogi, not in top 10). Edit: 2021 TDF stage 20, Vingegaard did beat Pogi on a 30km+ TT, but it was less than 30 seconds and Pogi had like a 5m lead by that point so the only thing that loses him the Tour was crashing out.
@@Soli11 I can’t really use the 2023 Tour as a point of reference, he did not look like 2020-2022 Pogacar. Pogacar on the col de Marie blanque had Kuss, in front of, pulling,and then on his wheel for basically the entirety of that climb, if you think Kuss is somehow a better climber than Pogi at 100% then idk what to tell you. I don’t disagree that Vingegaard at 100% wins the Tour (barring any accidents), but his injuries seem way to serious for him to be 100% in 3 months.
@@josephsong8911 Pogi beat his own climbing record on Col de Marie Blanque in 2023 though. With over a minute, I think. I think he just didn’t have the legs that day. Just like Jonas also has a few days where he does not have the legs but he can still more or less keep up with Pogi. That’s the different. A bad day for Jonas is losing 10-20 seconds, a bad day for Tadej is losing minutes.
Strongest?! Wrong term in endurance sport. These guys would get crushed in a squat rack by any regular gym junkie. The correct term is fittest. The same reason many girls can beat guys in endurance sport.
Well, duh...
Overall Pog is far superior to Vinegar. Vinegar is a one trick pony, he cannot win a stage in a sprint, cannot win a one day classic, cannot ride the cobbles. Pog can do all those, and on occassion drop Jonas on climbs. Neither are close to the caliber of Merckx, Coppi, Hinault, but as far as today's racers, Pog is definitely the best.
Hahaha.... Pogi is not close to caliber of the legends? The level of all sports has gone up several levels since a few decades back. Anyone who is able to totally dominate an endurance sport today is definitely at a higher caliber than old legends.
Vingegaard is the best climber in the world and probably the best GT rider in the world when it comes to week 3.
Talking out of your ass here but calling him vinegar already showed your small mindset..
@@tiltanders you obviously know nothing of racing, and have never raced.
@@markhill9275 what race experience would make you be able to say that Pogacar is not as good as cyclists 30+ years ago. You have obviously not raced against both groups? It is just ignorant and stupid to make comments like you. I can lean back to data and a common agreement across science that sports is continuously improving. There are extremely few exceptions where a top athlete today would lose to a top athlete 30-40 years ago.
sadly this slovenian mutant makes cycling boring these days
Do not claim to be talking for everyone. That is your opinion. I for one love cycling the more I watch Pogi Go Go Go.
Imagine criticising somebody for being the best at what they do…
What a sad individual you are.
He definitely makes it more exciting…if he is racing I guarantee everyone is watching which you cannot say the same for anyone else in the peloton
If you bored go and watch tour of Norway period