-50 C in Alberta: What happens when extreme cold hits? | About That
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Alberta's electricity grid was pushed to the limit when record-low temperatures triggered an emergency alert to prevent rolling blackouts. Andrew Chang explains how the extreme cold led to a dangerous electricity shortage.
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He is one of best presenters out there, he reads the news just at a right speed giving enough time to audience to digest the information and reflect.
and to learn that C and F converge at -40
I thought the exact same thing.
@@brianwelch1579 Yep! (C * 9/5) + 32 = F
Going from C to F is a bit kinder on the mental math than F to C.
@@AbstractJJJIn trade school for HVAC in Toronto Ontario I made up the following to help me remember:
CFMA
FCSD
(C) to (F) (M)ultiply by 1.8 (A)dd 32
(F) to (C) (S)ubtract 32 (D)ivide by 1.8
Have remembered since 2012
Agreed!~
As an African who has lived through one Alberta winter before, kudos to you guys who can survive this year after year. It is heartwarming to see how positively Albertans responded to the electrical operator. Everyone benefits when citizens are mindful. This is the Canadian spirit that I love so much.
If you think Alberta is bad, imagine Yukon and Nunavut!
Yet all the street lights stayed on the buildings were still left on many shops and facilities which are pigs on electricity where still on but we have to unplug our trucks and turn it down..that's total bs every hot spell and cold spell is this what were gonna hear and this isnt unusual for edmonton its winter and it gets cold.are we getting stupider by the day
@@StewCrew66 If you think those places are bad, go to Africa!
@@kwimms I bet it’s freezing there🥶
@@StewCrew66 i bet it is
Great reporting Andrew Chang! Keep up the great work. Thank you.
This is the best presenter on the CBC with excellent production.
No political spin. I was pleasently surprised
Andrew Chang is truly the best presenter on CBC news , another great one!
I love when news becomes good news! Way to go Alberta!
It is pretty scary when something as basic as electricity needed to be conserved by the consumers. Kudos to Albertans for stepping up when they had to.
Big mistake to cut back. Government will never learn if you keep helping them out of their mistakes.
This is what happens when your president is more concerned about how to wokify the country instead of tackling real problems like the power grid etc.
Why is it scary to conserve electricity?
People want to switch to EVs 😂. People have very little knowledge of how electricty behaves in cold climates and high demand doesnt mix.
@@awax2585 first off Canada doesnt have a president we have a prime minister and second you should probably learn how power grids work. Where is the power coming from to supply the increase demand and usage due to the cold weather and resistance . Now with the push for electric everything I mean everything we do takes electricty unless reading a book, sleeping, walking without looking at your phone or driving a gas powered vehicle. When there is no wind no sun kind of hard to use any actual green energy and when it is up creates very little for what is actually needed. For example 1sq Km of oil, nuclear power creates millions of times the power then the same equivalant of wind, solar or hydro electric. Meaning the amount of environmental damage just to create green energy to even match the output is just as damaging and less reliable.
I worked for Environment Canada for 35 years monitoring water levels and flow discharges of rivers and lakes. I learned that the coldest period of the year was from mid-January to mid-February. It wasn’t unusual for temperatures to drop to the low -30s, it wasn’t even that unusual to drop to the mid -40s. Occasionally it would drop to -50s and sometimes -60s. As a child I experienced similar low temperatures in many winters. It should never be considered that temperatures as low or lower
should totally ruled out during Canadian winters. Always, ALWAYS!, have your heating (furnaces) inspected before winter temperatures occur. When I had a house I replaced the original LNG furnace, from the 1960s, with a newer more efficient furnace. I asked what size furnace my house would be rated for, when he told me what size he would recommend. I then asked what the difference in cost it would be for the next larger size furnace. It turned out to be only $200-$300 more. I told him I would prefer the larger furnace. I never regretted that decision as it kept my home warm and comfortable through several very cold spells (-40s to -60s) over the years with no problems whatsoever.
Sensible advice
Where in Canada did you live that it consistently hit -60C? Was this in the 1910's?? 😂
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_Canada
@@dcscreenworks I did not say it consistently hit the Sixties. I said it would sometimes reach them. I know of at three times it happened over the years. Once we recorded -59 C at 9:00 AM after it started warming up. We spent the previous day (14 hours) on snowmobiles laying down a route cross country north of Peace River, AB. We did not pay much attention to the temperature during day. But they plummeted overnight to what we estimated had to have reached -60C, if not somewhat lower. We had to use kerosene heater to warm up a propane tank to use a turkey cooker burner to warm up the engines on a couple of diesel pickups to start the engines that one morning. That was approximately 1/3 of the distance between Peace River and Fort Vermilion in Alberta. We were recceing at route between those communities so a group of Canadian Rangers could travel by snowmobile to Fort V. from PR. This was just one leg of the journey. They travelled from Grande Cache, to Valleyview, to PR, to Fort V. and on to a lake north of Fort V. (forgot the name of the lake) and from there they travelled to the town of High Level, Alberta. All of the Ranger Patrols involved, each community with a Patrol was named above, were declared operational after we were tasked with organizing each route between communities and organizing an overnight stay for the group travelling. We were just given orders that a group start in Grande Cache and travel to community and end up in High Level. The majority of the route had to be cross country, not in highway ditches for any real length of the route. We, the Peace River Patrol unit, spent almost every weekend from mid November to late January recceing the route and packing the trail down just prior to the exercise. We saw mild temperatures, freezing rain, to heavy snowfall, to absolutely frigid conditions. Many of us spent many days of the winter in snowmobile establishing and laying down those trails that winter. I was a Canadian Ranger 14 years in Peace River. I resigned from the Rangers in Dec, 2013.
@@dcscreenworksin the seventies I lived near Prince George and one Christmas it hit -50 deg.
-40 wasn’t uncommon, it would happen in January usually.
I've lived in medicine hat, ab over half my life. These temperatures aren't uncommon at all.
I love this host, more videos with him
Good reporting. Shows you how much further to go our electrical grid has to go to support a growing housing, industrial and commercial and market there. Emergency backups are a must
Meaning our infrastructure is lagging behind. We should not be lagging in housing and power resources but we are. If our government can't even adequately house our population, the other problem naturally follows behind.
Lived in Edmonton for a year back in 2013. Thank you for the memories Alberta. Stay strong and warm 🍁🇨🇦
The heartwarming message of community here - taking care of the homeless, setting aside your own power needs to keep the grid up - is what makes this an exceptional report. Well done, Albertans!
-50C so crazy cold. 🥶
would love to see a video with electrical engineers and power workers explaining how the power was transferred and go more in depth on the power grid
CBC issued a statement saying there weren't enough non-white electrical engineers, so they had to cancel all of those videos
We had a full week 3 years ago with -50 in the Quebec area... We had to cut down on our electricity also...
It’s Quebec we don’t really care
@@jonnypop100 Well you should honey, when you are going to be out of electricity guess who will be supplying you 🤣😆
oh yeah, that was a rough stretch to pass. I expect a cold snap coming our way this month.
@@jonnypop100😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ADavid42 I would not be surprised...
Its great no one went without power/heat.
And nobody ever should, unless you allow this government to flood Canada with immigrants and refugees until we're dragged down to 3rd world status, which is what our government wants to do. Our quality of living is in rapid decline. Enjoy the fall! 🤗
While Saskatchewan was exporting power to Alberta to make up for the latter province's shortfall, Saskatchewan was simultaneously importing an even greater amount of power from Manitoba. It could be argued that Manitoba came to the rescue of the two other jurisdictions. I would question why one gas plant was underdelivering and another was down for "maintenance" during a cold snap. This has happened before in Alberta, with maintenance being done during periods of high demand. This has the effect of driving the price up. Alberta made a big mistake de-regulating its electricity system, as this kind of market price manipulation becomes all too common.
I was in Labrador in the 80s and it was -66 C
How wonderful that the community came together and worked together to lower their chances of having to deal with rolling blackouts. Isn't it amazing what you can do when you work for the greater good.
Good thing Alberta wasn't relying solely on unreliable wind and solar power.
I'd definitely be interested in seeing a report on the most effective power sources to support a grid in this sort of Canadian winter, as well as how much the grid might need to expand as we get more electrical devices. What types of home heating is the most effective vrs what the government is encouraging us to install? (Personally I'd love to get a wood stove for my house)
Seriously all ur furnace does when on electrical wise is run a blower fan lol media lies .
Mostly natural gas, oil and coal. Solar and wind are almost completely useless when it's below -25°C.
I actually turned off everything I could during that alert since i live in Calgary. Only kept my PC for work and a night lamp lol.
Did the same we saved ourselves
The amount that we pay for our electricity should make sure this never happens!
How about a million new immigrants??? 🤩
Who is there to challenge and hold these private companies accountable? The Canadian government will only take more from tax payers to pay these companies to improve in their infrastructure. What happened to their profits? well they pocket that.
We need the migrants because we are deadbeat Canadians who lived a high standard of living on borrowed money. And have not naturally replaced ourselves since 1971
If not you would have fun teaching to geriatric 80 year olds instead
12000 mega watts at $0.12 per kwh as an example, you can do the math and see how much they are making gross per hours, per month. per year
Buy a jackery and solar panels. Or same thing a no name … store solar energy - invert to hydro box and voila - you’ll not need to rely on it.
This is why we need more *nuclear power* . And not projects that take 30 years to build. Especially with the federal mandate that by 2035 all new cars have to be EVs / zero emissions.
YES! We need nuclear, cheap and abundant energy that's eco friendly and will grow our economy
I think hydro power is better for Canada.
The bad news is that they might have to build the damn very far from major cities.
@@louistournas120 my main concern with hydro is the environmental effect. we're changing the water table. flooding one area while causing drought to another. what if we're effecting wildlife like fish migratory patterns or draining marshes
now that science has worked out how to recycle the fuel rods... i think Nuclear power generation is one of the only ways that metro areas should be generating power.
We are a bit away from Thorium Reactors yet... but once that problem is solved.... Nuclear "should" be cheaper here in Canada because of Sask.
All of that should get Humanity a comfortable margin of time to solve Nuclear Fusion.
@@fwra1234 Well, nature always has to take a hit. The trees that end up underwater will decompose and release some methane CH4.
It is sort of like cutting down a forest and building a village or city over it.
The large number of humans will release waste and it goes to the river. The toothpaste, glass microspheres, medicine goes to the river.
Ya man. Our phones going off with that emergency alert that night, scared the crap out of me. Losing power in the middle of winter is one of my greatest fears. Doesnt take long for every water pipe in your house to freeze and burst. You better get water lines drained pronto. If you can't, start everything dribbling, won't freeze as easily if its flowing.
I hope all the homeless have a warm place to stay in this very cold weather.
Man, I live in Finland and I thought WE had cold weather a week ago when it was -27C 😅
I'm in eastern Ontario and too old to be stocking firewood and feeding stoves anymore so I rely on the house's oil burner for my heat but for backup I've have gone to wall mount propane heaters for power outages, one on each level with 4-100lb tanks on reserve outside. -15 to -25 everyday most winters with half dozen days reaching -35 and those days are rough, can't imagine -50 even if it's for just a few days. Good luck to all effected.
It's -46 all day long in North Alberta but I'll take it over -20 by any land by water. It's a dry cold.
Once it’s past 35 it is all the same
Yeah i envy your dry climate especially your summers, here in toronto it gets very humid, which is gross.
Hello from Calgary, I work as a janitor for a care home/housing facility with a daycare in the Northeast of the city, over that weekend we had three water pipes burst from the cold. It was coming down like heavy, heavy rain. It took out some roof panels, and flooded halls. Janitorial and Maintenance had a hell of a time.
Kitchen was one of the places hit too so for a day we had to shut it down.
And then on top of this our garbage company didn't arrive, giving no warning, so our bins were overflowing with garbage, wet roof tile, and whatever else. Crazy few days
Considering all this , how can they be pushing vehicle electrification on people? The grid is not even capable of handling peoples basic needs during cold winters. Imagine what happenens when millions will also start charging their cars...
That and wind turbines were shut down during the cold and we lost solar right before the emergency SMS went out.
You're joking, right? Having an electric vehicle is far more beneficial during times like this because 1) People aren't all going to be charging their cars at the same time and 2) electric vehicles can actually be used as a battery and provide emergency power during a blackout. Lastly, petrol starts to freeze at -40 degrees C whereas it is much easier to keep Lithium batteries at optimal temperatures, especially in a garage where you cannot run an ICE car.
@@IturaldeRodel
#1 Ev's generally use Lithium-ion batteries which are only rated down to -20C. This is why EVs have heaters for their batteries and one reason why your range is cut so much when it gets cold.
#2 When it gets as cold as it did, from what I saw and read during the cold snap it was taking 1-2 hours to charge an EV at a level 3 supper charger plus an extra hour just for the car to warm up the battery so it was back within a safe operating range to accept a charge. In the USA a large amount of their charger broke or ended up having iced-up plugs that prevented them from being used and long wait times just to be able to said chargers. It was so bad that some of the EVs died waiting to be changed because the heater for the battery ended up draining it.
#3 "Lastly, petrol starts to freeze at -40 degrees C whereas it is much easier to keep Lithium batteries at optimal temperatures, especially in a garage where you cannot run an ICE car" Back to #1 as well as this isn't a good defending argument since people will put their EV, hybrid or ICE vehicle in their garage if they have one, which most people don't have a heated space were they can keep their vehicle warm during the cold temperatures.
4# The idea that you can use an EV's battery to provide energy to your house is not a bad concept and some people get battery systems when they get solar for their homes. The issue is that only people with solar on their homes could use their EVs to power their homes thanks to the breaker panel that gets swapped out when someone goes solar. The new panel makes it so there is a blackout power does not keep going into the grid. This is a huge safety requirement for solar.
#5 Alberta's grid just can't handle EVs unless they build more natural gas power plants or go nuclear. When the Emergency SMS went out, Alberta and next to no wind power and lost all of its solar production due to there being no more light and being too cold to function.
This is honestly why I see hybrids or vehicles with generators and electric drives to be a much better solution that is also more sustainable. You get the pros of both systems like a lower carbon footprint and the ability to fill up fast and have a large range.
@@colindavenport2619there’s sunlight this time of year?
@@IturaldeRodellimited range in EVs is too dangerous. And the already low range is halved or worse in extreme cold. As big as a F150 is, it only has 380km range in good conditions. Less than 200 km in winter. People are getting rid of their EVs for good reason.
Rural Canada seems really wholesome and charming
It is come visit😊
I really like this commentator.
He doesn't speak in the odd news speaker cadence or accent. He is present. I like everything about him in this video.
Even if you have a backup generator, good luck getting it to start at -50!
Alberta had? Saskatchewan also had the same thing.
I can't even imagine how it's like for the homeless
You Canadian?
We just had an arctic 🥶 blast here in Metro Vancouver causing temperatures of -12 and I can’t imagine what -50 must be like.
-12 in Vancouver would feel quite a bit colder than -12 in Alberta due to the humidity beside the coast.
Alberta is calling.
Hey CBC tell us how did wind and solar provide during this time! You don’t want to talk about that intermittent supply!
Hey Alberta tell us how did deregulating your grid unlike the rest of the country work out, you don’t want to talk about that unreliable supply!
the western provinces helped each other. and renewables completely crapped out . but they should regulate the grid. you are right about that
Conserve energy. What a concept!
Yes I noticed how the “ don’t charge your (electric)car” was said real fast as if it may be kind of embarrassing to us and our PM and environment minister.Since we said (Eve Savoury on the journal)in about 1983)”Canada’s climate will be like South Carolina in 20 years “
Fricking so cold out there I see a gangster pulled up his pants
These are not unusual what’s wrong with the picture is that you’re taping it as though it’s a first time event
These are new record lows, it is a first time event. Pay attention.
@@avroarchitect1793 WHAT they are showing is NOT a first time event. Freezing your hair has been done before jc. So IF you’re going to show a temperature CHANGE-APPLY THE CORRECT EXAMPLE 🙄
-50.6 C is -59 F it DOES make a difference! It is only at the -40 point that the temps converge, after that they diverge again.
I used to live in the prairies when at the time they were experiencing similar temperatures, but i don't remember it being talked about on the news. I do remember that is was 50 degrees Celsius warmer in my home province of NS at the time.
Exactly! I was working in Rainbow lake AB, in 2004/05 wind chill was -57 nobody cared then.
The winter of 2018/19 , I was living in MilkRiver Alberta ... ( and that’s the bottom of the province near the Montana border ) it it -45 and FtMacMurry hit -52 .... so what you mean 20 years ago ?
It seems as if every 4-5 years its a similar story. I'm not sure what qualifies for "coldest temperature in 50 years" when it is a seemingly regular occurrence.
@@saltie8463exactly. They try to make us think we have short memories
@@JUVI9596 Their brain glitched and froze lol
Wind chill Temps aren't real temps
@@JUVI9596 - They? The stats are culled from the Meteorological Service of Canada (MSC).
At alberta -50 we are all working full shift school still open.
Thanks to our Saskatchewan friends!
Most of the power imported into Alberta came from the Western Interconnect, BC and Montana. We are not on the same grid in Saskatchewan. The MSO Interconnect isn't synchronized so we have to switch the power to DC before turning it back into AC to match the Western Interconnect. And the one inverter station is only rated at 150MW. I imagine they went over the lable plate capacity because of the ample cooling capacity. I still shut down everything extra at our business in SK because if we lost one station we would not have been in a position to export. The whole situation was tight.
Thank you for clarifying.@@joewiddup9753
Always so impressed with Canadians. They seem to pull together and care about one another.
Taxes are too low
lol, Damn Canadians.
You guys are awesome. Texas is a little richer and has more resources and we had rolling blackouts a few years ago and people died.
Good to see you again Andrew . I miss you being on the National.
😂😂😂😂the noddles!!
BC Hydro also contributed what they could. Alberta & BC are still negotiating who will pay for beefier cross-tie powerlines sometime in the future...
As I understand it, during that span BC Hydro couldn't supply, because they too were also experiencing above average demand from the cold weather.
There's not an issue with Alberta's energy only market. In fact, this is a case of how it's working. Most grids with populations in the millions along with heavy industry (oil sands) would have faltered. Also important to note that a lot of the oil and gas producers have on-site generation (i.e. cogen) that helped Alberta get through the cold snap.
Carbon tax!!!!! You are not allowed to be warm!!!
I got cranky when we reached -17 Degrees here in Europe and the alarms on our phones are non-stop but hearing this, Eck. I don't want to talk anymore.
The fact that the emergency alert had a significant impact on people's usage is so encouraging. People need more info and education on the utilities they use!
The Edmonton airport hit -51 with a windchill of -64 the other day
The CBC interviewed the grid operator. The issue of two gas plants being down and very low wind (Alberta's wind and solar make up 28% of the grid and there was nearly zero wind) made people ask what would happen if we have all ev's and heat pumps for home heating. Currently there are only 12000 Evs in Alberta so that didn't make much difference but getting rid of natural gas heating means you need to have even more electricity generation once everyone switches to heat pumps (which need extra heating backup in really cold temperatures).
The thing to consider is that electricity is only 20% of total primary energy use. So Canada generates some 3000 petajoules of electricity in total. But natural gas for heating and industrial use in Canada is some 8000 petajoules. This also does not include oil for transportation. To get to zero carbon a lot more storage and generation is needed.
In our first winter in southern Yukon in 1970 our thermometer dropped to -51 C. in January. And the record in Yukon is -63 C.
If this was a common problem, they would have upgraded their grid a long time ago.
The NDP shut coalplants down
@@georgedavidson1221 Good.
@@St0nerforFr33dom and also Alberta advertised itself so many people moved to Alberta. But as usual- government's greed for higher housing prices brought problems.
We use more electricity every year, now we even have to charge dumb cars.
How's the grid going to handle all the electric vehicles.
that’s why I love Vancouver
It was actually Friendly Manitoba that came to rescue of both Saskatchewan and Alberta!
Good job Alberta!
Be careful going outside after a shower at those temperatures. You can experience seious facial parallisis.
Can anyone direct me to a government offiice that has initiated the process of building a new power plant anywhere in canada in the last 10 years..?
Muskrat falls and site c, not withstanding, because those were not built for the citizens, but for the commercial sector, and are both not even working...
0:44 "converge" isn't quite the right word, as if it were a V or Y shape where the difference stops mattering below a certain point. They "cross" at -40 but then diverge, like an X shape.
So proud to be Canadian 🍁 shout out for Alberta
And that was Alberia (sorry, Alberta) in July. Imagine what its like in the winter months. I've lived through deep cold power outages...it is a scary thing so be as prepared as you can be.
Now add your electric car to the mix...what you do you think would happen
HOW DID ALL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MAKE OUT
What the hell is CBC and the Trudeau gov't doing for the homeless with -40 degree temps 😮
Imagine having electric power for your heating. RIP
That’s awesome they listened.
Here in Rio de Janeiro Brazil temperature around 40°C and sensation 60°C! Everybody inside air conditioner making electricity demand very high like there in the extreme -50°C cold.
I love these people having fun out there, particularly the guy sledding on his lab coat 😂
Edmonton and Liverpool UK are on exact same latitude . It's +9C today in Liverpool- a fraction warmer than average for January but still fairly typical. It was -3C last week which was seen as exceptionally cold. There was a freak -13C in January once - but that is once in a generation occurence. The power of the gulf stream and being in a maritime location.😁
Providing warmth for the homeless is just an interim measure until the MAID program is expanded and the indigent, homeless, disabled and all the other useless eaters are murdered by the State. After all, Alberta is considering "camps" within which to "concentrate" addicts (to start with) and "re-educate" them.
the St.Amand name is so wide spread across canada thank u for ur kind help
My brother lives in Calagary, and he said it was - 50 there.
Insane.
It must have been a cold pocket (maybe) as Calgary only went down to -36C.
@@joeaarrestad2356 He probably meant after the wind chill.
how are the heat pumps working? lol
In Edmonton we had a blackout.
I think the humane thing to do would be to help relocate ALL of our provinces homeless to Vancouver B.C. or Victoria :)
And Saskatchewan
And Manitoba.
And Ontario
Meanwhile we in Australia sometimes experience close to +50°C in summer
I wonder why there was so little exchange with other states, both other Canadian and US, it must be the distances are too great.
I'm glad Danielle Smith told Guibeault to go pound sand... I hope people realize what will happen if his insane whims go on unchecked & unchallenged
Why isnt the system built to withstand these temps or worse ????????????????????????????
It takes guts to endure the Canadian cold
Albertans think the cold weather is Trudeaus fault. 😂
if it makes you feel any better, it’s currently 5 degrees in downtown Victoria and the rain’s melting the snow away! 😊😂 have a great winter guys!
Not a place you want to be homeless.
When the motivation is staying alive... In any case, I'm glad they were able to get through it. That's insane how cold it was. In Washington State, we just had lows of 16F which is like nothing compared to this.
Wow, this is the first good news I've heard coming out of Canada for at least a year, and I'm not surprised to hear it from Alberta. Those people seem to be the only decent people Canada has.
Thanks
Charge your electric car more often and longer. Better yet scrap the electric car. Canada needs more canadian oil and gas
Given the immediate drop in demand following the AESO posting, it begs the question of why we don't have time of use pricing as many other jurisdictions do; Alberta experiences power shortages not only in cold weather, but also in the summer. If there were a price differential I think that I, and many others, would develop the habit of starting a load of laundry at 8 PM rather than when we got home from work, or turning on the dishwasher before we go to bed.
I looked on weather history mid January 1942 and it was + 3 c and then 20 years later 1962 it was -30 c and then again 1992 it was -10 c and now in Milk River Alberta it’s now the coldest place on the planet -50 c and Milk River is totally frozen. Why does the temperature go so up and down and is why the power going so crazy so fast in Alberta? I hope just hope CBC pays way more attention to all this random things and the rolling power all over the place.
Great presenter!
Why were the natural gas plants offline? Who schedules a winter maintenance shutdown? And the other one?