I think there is a huge difference between getting into the hobby and getting into competitive. With £80 anyone can buy a unit and enough Vallejo paints. And that's enough entertainment for a month or two.
@@giantorres3352 absolutely - but this is about the expense required to buy, build, paint and play a non-competitive 2k list. You can't really play 40k with one unit...
Whilst watching I was subconsciously adding up all of the kits in my room....then the fact I called it a wahammer room made me think its definitely the highest figure 😂😂😂 It is a very expensive hobby, but it's worth it. If you calculate how much fun it is to paint and build. Then play with it. Cost per use slowly becomes affordable over time 😅 I genuinely sound like an addict haha!
Great chat guys. While I understand why you focused on getting to 2k points & the cost of that, 40k plays perfectly well at 1k for me, and still provides the same tactical challenges. Sure if you want to get into competitive play, 2k may be the standard, but for a beginner I'd say 1k is a better starting point, with a slightly less off-putting price tag attached
2:12 before i continue, its obviously option D. D is all the time and effort spent into this hobby on things like building and painting the minis or learning and keeping up with the rules. that plus option C (and times 2 for safety) is roughly the cost of a 2k 40k army.
Paints are the hidden behemoth price wise. I look at my paint rack and i must have atleast £150+ in paints, most of which ive probably only used once or twice 😅
I just wanna know why I'd ever buy a physical book or data cards that are immediately out dated amd less valuable than the free resources online like wahapedia, new recuit etc. . Like.. make it make sense gw.
@@WorHammer40kI doubt they will. GW did a survey a long time ago and figured out that a great bulk of their consumers don’t ever play, they just buy stuff. Those are the people that buy rule books and codexes, they don’t particularly care that they are out of date, they just want the lore, art, photos, etc… GW will always want to sell them stuff.
I started with the Necron half of Indomitus for $100, now I'm roughly $1,2000-US into the hobby. 2022 Battleforce Box $210 9th edition Combat Patrol $160 Boarding Action Party $130 Hierotek Circle Kill Team $65 Plus lots of individual model kits including all the Cryptecs, Destroyers, Canoptek units and a few vehicles. Have +3500-4000 points depending on load-outs so far.
I got into Warhammer by buying the big boxes like “No Know Fear”, Dark Imperium, Christmas boxes, combat patrols before price increases. I brought my brushes from Walmart. I’ve spent a good penny. Lately I’ve slowed down buying anything until my pile of shame is greatly reduced(🤣🤣🤣). Just preordered Kill team starter set.
They purely market to private school kids and professional parents in the upper wage bracket. Anyone my wage with a family just couldn’t start the hobby these days.
It's not something you could go wild on an buy a 3k list right off the bat. I'd say 3rd parties and Ebay are great ways to save cash and get a 1k list. It's tough atm though and I hear your point for sure
@@spaced28 you would be surprised. Kill Team (squad v squad instead if army v army) is the way to go for lower entry cost and time required to play a game. Get a starter box, and tou have two whole kill teams, terrain, dice, rules, and add some paints and brushes any brand is fine, for under 400 AUD. And unless you absolutely fly through painting the two squads + terrain, you will have imo very good return on the investment in terms of how many hours of hobbying it will take to do all that. Compared to video games, console or PC , it is way better value. The hardware alone is at minimum the same as above and probably more like double. Streaming services for the same amount of time would be comparable expense or more for most people. You just need to remember that it is two hobbies. Building/painting, and playing. You can get enormous value out of the former independently of the later. The game rules are where the minimum buy in occurs. But you can paint all you like without giving two hoots about that stuff.
good video for beginners. Very realistic POV and I saw other comments about if people are unsure about getting into the hobby another option is getting a game called table top simulator if you have a pc. There are many tutorials on youtube to setup up games using table top simulator. They have many different factions (army units) free to download as well as terrain, datasheets, rules, etc.
Great breakdown and discussion. It is a lot of money (not that most will pay that in one big go), but a lot of hobbies often do cost a lot. If you're into model trains, it's like £150-£200 per train. More for the larger ones. Before you even look at tracks, scenery etc. Recently talked to someone about this and saw some trains and was a bit blown away by the costs. If you're into golf, you need the benjamins. If you're into drinking/clubbing, that's like £50 -£100 per night. Could be a £400 a month hobby for some people. Bit of an artist? Oil paints, canvasses, turps, brushes - hundreds. Football? Seen the price of balls and boots these days? Never mind kits, team fees, travel costs. And that's just playing. It's ~£50 a ticket on average to go to a match. Or way more if you live down south and support certain London teams. And then you add food and drink at the match (or, like many do, before and after the match, too). Cricket? Same story - might be even more expensive. Video games? Games, consoles/PCs, controllers, DLC Cooking - a decent knife set will put you back several hundred pounds, before you even look at cookware and appliances I've laboured the point. I'm not trying to defend the costs, as you say some of them are absolutely outrageous (single models costing north of £20-30 is just obscene), but considering once bought, built and painted, you're no longer "paying" (unless you're balls deep in it and you keep buying all the new shiny stuff), the cost per hour of enjoyment likely ends up being pennies. Many hobbies have "ongoing" fees. This one, depending on your level of activity, typically doesn't (apart from the 4-5 year codex and rules "tax" we pay to keep playing). I dunno - my 2 cents. TOON TOON.
@@jamestennant7239 those are all great points, thank you! However, we would say perhaps the only true comparison in there is trains? The others you can participate in with very little costs initially. The issue with 40k is, this is your outlay to get to the point where you can play a standard game.
I disagree. I'd argue the initial costs of 40k are not a 2k game. There's kill team, 1k games and combat patrol that would fall into "initial costs". As well as paints etc. You're talking about a 2k game which is tournament standard. I'd argue that you're pretty committed to the hobby to get to that point - a lot of time, effort, and money is needed to get to it. Regardless, you're certainly past the "initial costs" stage. I've been back in the hobby for 6 years and I'm only just approaching 2k of Drukhari. And I'm a committed hobbyist. At that stage I think those other hobbies I mentioned and the costs are comparable, because you've committed by then.
@@jamestennant7239 the game is designed to be played at 2k. Kill Team is great, but it's an entirely different game. We know committed hobbyists who have bought and built a 2k list in 6 weeks. 6 years is less than 350pts of drukhari a year - that's only an archon, 10 incubi and a raider
Another good chat guys. The price increases from GW got out of hand so long ago. When you look back at what the company used to represent and how they are now. It really saddens me. They have a great universe and range. But the corporate greed and anti consumer policies they enforce these days is morally corrupt. 😑
In South Africa. To get started with assuming you have nothing and want a decent looking army, cost (include tools, brushes ,paints etc) around R5000 or £218,47. Our average minimum wage per month is around R 4300 / £187,89. Its not a cheap hobby at all. I did find that using cheaper alternatives (paints, brushes , tools etc ) can reduce the cost to about R3800
“As it’s meant to be played”, is the important part. If you are a player hobbyist primarily them yeah you have to get roughly 1000-2000pts of models plus books etc…. BUT, if you are like me and primarily a painter/lore/kitbasher, and an EXTREMELY SLOW painter, you can get months-years of gear to keep you going in your downtime with just a kill team or two, and some paint. Very different levels of expense.
I found a way. CSM and chaos as a whole has many units that are cost-effective from a points per dollar perspective. Kitbashing, proxies, and 2nd hand bits and models are also your friends.
But where terrain is concerned -- just to get started!!! -- you should absolutely be starting with cardboard boxes made from what you get your minis in. Cut them into the tournament board shapes.
I'm voting B (I stopped the video so I haven't watched it). With that said, I live in an area where there is only one place in the whole country that sells these models and they are GW priced. If I'd order anything from UK or wherever, it must not exceed £33.60 (including shipping) otherwise I'd need to pay an extra 10-15% import taxes. This just makes 3D printing that more attractive for us here, although everything I've got (10.000 points) is original apart from the Nightbringer, which I just couldn't find anywhere. Needless to say, I buy a few models whenever I'm out traveling but most of what I have has come from that one shop which I'm very thankful for.
Ok! So I was finally able to watch the whole video. First of all, excellent topic! Didn't think you'd add terrain, mat and table to the cost of starting an army 😑 When I started I didn't bother doing any terrain until recently since other locals here have some excellent setups. What I did was taking the leftover sprues and gluing them together and some were built with cardboard. I've got an old FDM printer which I'm thinking about using to print terrains. I might get a resin printer soon.
@@WorHammer40kYeah, 10k in total. 6k Necrons, 2k DW and 2k CSM. The proxy model of the Nightbringer I've got looks very similar to the original model but I've seen a few others that look way better imo. Hope they'll release a new version soon!
All hobbies are expensive. I train MMA, 150$ month for gym membership, gloves and shin guards about 200$, plus all the other misc gear. Pc gaming, components expensive, games expensive. Warhammer I bought the blood angels box which was pricy, after that the purchases are smaller 40-60 every so often. It’s pricy but not the worst. Look at potheads
I have found that GW is not the place to buy paints and supplies from, many other locations do it far cheaper. The minis I still like to get from my FLGS which is generally cheaper. Ebay can be good, or other secondary markets, but buyer beware. Some of the pictures don't show the amount of work the minis would need.
I don't plan on playing at game stores just with my friends, at least at first. So I'm going to start by making a full army with my 3d printer and see how I like it. If its a hobby I enjoy I'll start buying real gw sets.
@@WorHammer40kmy wife is a big cosplayer, and also plays a lot of Warhammer with me. We ended up just biting the bullet, and bought a Bambu A1 FDM printer for $339 USD. It's filament so it's fantastic for terrain and cosplay parts, but bear with me when I tell you that if you use the .02 nozzle, and the looooong quality print setting, you can get resin quality for your miniatures. Off the top of my head that's like, £280, so you can just basically get unlimited terrain for the same cost as 4 or 5 ruins, and the odd cheeky miniature if you are willing to wait 19 hours for it to print. And no fumes or curing!
the last one I did Like that was an ork army it was over 100 minis lol. but space marines typically around 50. tabletop standard is £5 a mini generally but the other £50 is for basing. my price is for 2k list so doesn't matter if 2 custodes 😂 or a million orks if it's 2k it's £300
I think most people who get into Warhammer find a club to have a lesson or attend a give it a go session. From my knowledge these jump up a bit more and gaming cafes will have a try Warhammer etc events with a lot of different game engines. These events will make people take the terrain costs off so its less than £1000 but it is still expensive!
@@WorHammer40k i do, but i have been playing since the end of 9th as well. one thing that does wind me up is the fact that GW stores won't usually advertise local gaming clubs so people can find a community and find it easier to get involved in the hobby
If Only of Space Marines were three times the cost (IN POINTS) and their power abilities was as good as they are on the big screen then the game would be as they play on table. With as many different unit's, armies would be so difficult on the boards.
I will just keep playing on table top simulator and pick up a kill team box to play irl. At least until i can afford a 3d printer since gw thinks were idiots who will buy their products no matter the price.
@@WorHammer40k that maybe true, and if it is I don't think we'll see that happening for a long time. Right now, 3d printing is it's own hobby on top of Warhammer Being a mash of hobbies in of itself. So until 3d printing is easy enough to get into for your every day man I think gw will be content selling models at higher and higher price points.
🟣 the pricing for sets is proportional to the amount of each they will sell, as each set has to pay its own way. You will only buy 1 Imotekh, but you will buy many Warriors. So the grams of plastic isn't a factor. The Imotekh has to be so expensive to cover the whole development and manufacturing costs for itself. 🤓 ... ... Simon
@@simonneville3278 that's a very good point! But surely the inverse of that would be that best sellers like assault intercessors should be nearer a tenner a box than £40?
@WorHammer40k I honestly thonk that they have identified 3D printings evolution over the next decade ad a huge corporate threat. Perhaps the GW in 10 years time will be using the IP to make profit more than physical miniatures to make money, so computer games, books, and movies. They don't know, no one knows, so they are going to live these next 10 years as if they are their last.
In how many months will this total be around £400 shy of the new mark? I'm going to say 6 months from now! Play along! Worst thing that can happen to GW is people discovering other companies write rules.
I think the minimum is being to be able to buy, build and paint an army in a year. I started my 4 years ago , and shen l finaly had a full force , gw just legend my whole army. And in my country legend is not played. Most optimal is probably being able to buy&paint an army every 3 months, and owning multiple armies , preferably for multiple systems. One army, one system ? Army unfun or removed , there is nothing to save situatio . With multiple armies&systems, if w40k army X is unfun , maybe play AOS with gun army Y.
You can still play in stores, thsse rumours come from hatemongers. Those same people also say they do it without head office knowledge. Rubbish. My local does it and also advertises it on their facebook pages. These people probably dont consider its just at store discretion and you maybe just have a lame manager, or, you as the customer - are the problem and youre probably not the type the manager wants to entertain.
@WorHammer40k I'm glad it works for you. I quit playing 40k back in '91, with the release of 2nd version. they removed some of the best features that rogue trader offered. on a separate note, in the U.S. it wasn't easy to get some of the miniatures (mostly all metal back then). availability was also a reason to go in other directions. cost is always a factor, but there are ways to minimize that.
I think there is a huge difference between getting into the hobby and getting into competitive. With £80 anyone can buy a unit and enough Vallejo paints. And that's enough entertainment for a month or two.
@@giantorres3352 absolutely - but this is about the expense required to buy, build, paint and play a non-competitive 2k list.
You can't really play 40k with one unit...
Whilst watching I was subconsciously adding up all of the kits in my room....then the fact I called it a wahammer room made me think its definitely the highest figure 😂😂😂
It is a very expensive hobby, but it's worth it. If you calculate how much fun it is to paint and build. Then play with it. Cost per use slowly becomes affordable over time 😅
I genuinely sound like an addict haha!
@@SlayerMiniatures we fully agree! The costs to get started are pretty high, but after that, if you stay in the hobby, there is a great ROI
I mean terrain you can always use boxes, Pringle tubs. The joys of the 90's of the terrain book in making stuff for nothing and stuff around the house
@@jeffers1985 still love the scratch builders
Stacks of books for hills and plastic bottles and pringle tubes will always have a place in my heart for the good old days
Doing the community a service with this video 👌 spot on lads
@@shaneheaps3114 thank you, Shane! Much appreciated
Great chat guys. While I understand why you focused on getting to 2k points & the cost of that, 40k plays perfectly well at 1k for me, and still provides the same tactical challenges. Sure if you want to get into competitive play, 2k may be the standard, but for a beginner I'd say 1k is a better starting point, with a slightly less off-putting price tag attached
@@BigMekDanskull excellent point
2:12 before i continue, its obviously option D.
D is all the time and effort spent into this hobby on things like building and painting the minis or learning and keeping up with the rules. that plus option C (and times 2 for safety) is roughly the cost of a 2k 40k army.
jess sighting @35:22 behind jack
the foldable terrain is by tinkerjunkie ; its great WTC terrain
@@mayney1222 well spotted mate! And thanks for the terrain producer's name! It's lush terrain
Is it wrong that it is chaeper than I thought lol, mind you that's not really a list I would play ha ha. Great chat as always guys
@@IDICBeer we tried to do it on the cheap, not sure it's a good list!
Paints are the hidden behemoth price wise.
I look at my paint rack and i must have atleast £150+ in paints, most of which ive probably only used once or twice 😅
@@thebloodymummer5502 everyone is the same! Literally 50 shades of grey
I just wanna know why I'd ever buy a physical book or data cards that are immediately out dated amd less valuable than the free resources online like wahapedia, new recuit etc. . Like.. make it make sense gw.
@@ArcanoSilverwind they surely have to commit to going fully digital soon?
@@WorHammer40kI doubt they will. GW did a survey a long time ago and figured out that a great bulk of their consumers don’t ever play, they just buy stuff. Those are the people that buy rule books and codexes, they don’t particularly care that they are out of date, they just want the lore, art, photos, etc… GW will always want to sell them stuff.
I started with the Necron half of Indomitus for $100, now I'm roughly $1,2000-US into the hobby.
2022 Battleforce Box $210
9th edition Combat Patrol $160
Boarding Action Party $130
Hierotek Circle Kill Team $65
Plus lots of individual model kits including all the Cryptecs, Destroyers, Canoptek units and a few vehicles. Have +3500-4000 points depending on load-outs so far.
I got into Warhammer by buying the big boxes like “No Know Fear”, Dark Imperium, Christmas boxes, combat patrols before price increases. I brought my brushes from Walmart. I’ve spent a good penny. Lately I’ve slowed down buying anything until my pile of shame is greatly reduced(🤣🤣🤣). Just preordered Kill team starter set.
@@hobbybro3902 those big boxes are such good value, comparatively! And the new KT box price surprised us
They purely market to private school kids and professional parents in the upper wage bracket. Anyone my wage with a family just couldn’t start the hobby these days.
I'm a mobile cleaner, I have a wife and 2 kids. It's possible.
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It's not something you could go wild on an buy a 3k list right off the bat. I'd say 3rd parties and Ebay are great ways to save cash and get a 1k list. It's tough atm though and I hear your point for sure
@@spaced28 you would be surprised. Kill Team (squad v squad instead if army v army) is the way to go for lower entry cost and time required to play a game.
Get a starter box, and tou have two whole kill teams, terrain, dice, rules, and add some paints and brushes any brand is fine, for under 400 AUD. And unless you absolutely fly through painting the two squads + terrain, you will have imo very good return on the investment in terms of how many hours of hobbying it will take to do all that.
Compared to video games, console or PC , it is way better value. The hardware alone is at minimum the same as above and probably more like double.
Streaming services for the same amount of time would be comparable expense or more for most people.
You just need to remember that it is two hobbies. Building/painting, and playing. You can get enormous value out of the former independently of the later.
The game rules are where the minimum buy in occurs.
But you can paint all you like without giving two hoots about that stuff.
good video for beginners. Very realistic POV and I saw other comments about if people are unsure about getting into the hobby another option is getting a game called table top simulator if you have a pc. There are many tutorials on youtube to setup up games using table top simulator. They have many different factions (army units) free to download as well as terrain, datasheets, rules, etc.
@@Whammy777 very good point! TTS is absolutely a good starting point if you have a pc
Great breakdown and discussion. It is a lot of money (not that most will pay that in one big go), but a lot of hobbies often do cost a lot.
If you're into model trains, it's like £150-£200 per train. More for the larger ones. Before you even look at tracks, scenery etc. Recently talked to someone about this and saw some trains and was a bit blown away by the costs.
If you're into golf, you need the benjamins.
If you're into drinking/clubbing, that's like £50 -£100 per night. Could be a £400 a month hobby for some people.
Bit of an artist? Oil paints, canvasses, turps, brushes - hundreds.
Football? Seen the price of balls and boots these days? Never mind kits, team fees, travel costs. And that's just playing. It's ~£50 a ticket on average to go to a match. Or way more if you live down south and support certain London teams. And then you add food and drink at the match (or, like many do, before and after the match, too).
Cricket? Same story - might be even more expensive.
Video games? Games, consoles/PCs, controllers, DLC
Cooking - a decent knife set will put you back several hundred pounds, before you even look at cookware and appliances
I've laboured the point. I'm not trying to defend the costs, as you say some of them are absolutely outrageous (single models costing north of £20-30 is just obscene), but considering once bought, built and painted, you're no longer "paying" (unless you're balls deep in it and you keep buying all the new shiny stuff), the cost per hour of enjoyment likely ends up being pennies.
Many hobbies have "ongoing" fees. This one, depending on your level of activity, typically doesn't (apart from the 4-5 year codex and rules "tax" we pay to keep playing).
I dunno - my 2 cents.
TOON TOON.
@@jamestennant7239 those are all great points, thank you!
However, we would say perhaps the only true comparison in there is trains?
The others you can participate in with very little costs initially. The issue with 40k is, this is your outlay to get to the point where you can play a standard game.
I disagree. I'd argue the initial costs of 40k are not a 2k game. There's kill team, 1k games and combat patrol that would fall into "initial costs". As well as paints etc.
You're talking about a 2k game which is tournament standard. I'd argue that you're pretty committed to the hobby to get to that point - a lot of time, effort, and money is needed to get to it.
Regardless, you're certainly past the "initial costs" stage. I've been back in the hobby for 6 years and I'm only just approaching 2k of Drukhari. And I'm a committed hobbyist.
At that stage I think those other hobbies I mentioned and the costs are comparable, because you've committed by then.
@@WorHammer40kstarter set says hi.
@@michaeltrivette1728 the starter set we specifically mention in the video? Or a different starter set?
@@jamestennant7239 the game is designed to be played at 2k. Kill Team is great, but it's an entirely different game.
We know committed hobbyists who have bought and built a 2k list in 6 weeks. 6 years is less than 350pts of drukhari a year - that's only an archon, 10 incubi and a raider
Another good chat guys.
The price increases from GW got out of hand so long ago.
When you look back at what the company used to represent and how they are now. It really saddens me.
They have a great universe and range. But the corporate greed and anti consumer policies they enforce these days is morally corrupt. 😑
@@6Stevo thanks mate! What are the odds on another price hike in the next 12 months?
This!
In South Africa. To get started with assuming you have nothing and want a decent looking army, cost (include tools, brushes ,paints etc) around R5000 or £218,47. Our average minimum wage per month is around R 4300 / £187,89. Its not a cheap hobby at all. I did find that using cheaper alternatives (paints, brushes , tools etc ) can reduce the cost to about R3800
@@ziyaad9454 great insights, thank you
“As it’s meant to be played”, is the important part.
If you are a player hobbyist primarily them yeah you have to get roughly 1000-2000pts of models plus books etc….
BUT, if you are like me and primarily a painter/lore/kitbasher, and an EXTREMELY SLOW painter, you can get months-years of gear to keep you going in your downtime with just a kill team or two, and some paint.
Very different levels of expense.
@@wilhelmredhood7296 absolutely! But if you're primarily a player, you need 2k
You can’t be poor that’s for sure
@@SWW978 so true
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I found a way. CSM and chaos as a whole has many units that are cost-effective from a points per dollar perspective. Kitbashing, proxies, and 2nd hand bits and models are also your friends.
@@Motorcitynights nice work!
@@KeyvanArian 😆
The time you put into it is even more valuable than the raw cost of the minis -- hidden cost, so make sure you're doing it because you love it!
@@IlanMuskat very well said!
Still, going to say B -- a basic army is more than two combat patrols, extra characters and vehicles, and then paint, tools and therapy
But where terrain is concerned -- just to get started!!! -- you should absolutely be starting with cardboard boxes made from what you get your minis in. Cut them into the tournament board shapes.
@@IlanMuskat definitely!
I'm voting B (I stopped the video so I haven't watched it).
With that said, I live in an area where there is only one place in the whole country that sells these models and they are GW priced.
If I'd order anything from UK or wherever, it must not exceed £33.60 (including shipping) otherwise I'd need to pay an extra 10-15% import taxes.
This just makes 3D printing that more attractive for us here, although everything I've got (10.000 points) is original apart from the Nightbringer, which I just couldn't find anywhere.
Needless to say, I buy a few models whenever I'm out traveling but most of what I have has come from that one shop which I'm very thankful for.
@@Kajerman 10k points! Impressive!!
Honestly the 3d nightbringer proxies are pretty awesome
Ok! So I was finally able to watch the whole video. First of all, excellent topic! Didn't think you'd add terrain, mat and table to the cost of starting an army 😑
When I started I didn't bother doing any terrain until recently since other locals here have some excellent setups.
What I did was taking the leftover sprues and gluing them together and some were built with cardboard.
I've got an old FDM printer which I'm thinking about using to print terrains. I might get a resin printer soon.
@@WorHammer40kYeah, 10k in total. 6k Necrons, 2k DW and 2k CSM.
The proxy model of the Nightbringer I've got looks very similar to the original model but I've seen a few others that look way better imo. Hope they'll release a new version soon!
@@Kajerman fantastic! We've both got about 5 or 6k of crons each, too.
Plus dark eldar, knights, nids, smurfs and a bit of guard and gsc
@@Kajerman yeah it's definitely achievable without the terrain and mat.
Our pal has an fdm printer, he says it's great for terrain
All hobbies are expensive. I train MMA, 150$ month for gym membership, gloves and shin guards about 200$, plus all the other misc gear. Pc gaming, components expensive, games expensive. Warhammer I bought the blood angels box which was pricy, after that the purchases are smaller 40-60 every so often. It’s pricy but not the worst. Look at potheads
I have found that GW is not the place to buy paints and supplies from, many other locations do it far cheaper. The minis I still like to get from my FLGS which is generally cheaper. Ebay can be good, or other secondary markets, but buyer beware. Some of the pictures don't show the amount of work the minis would need.
@@lord17c we fully agree. Finding a good buy/sell group can mitigate some of that risk
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I don't plan on playing at game stores just with my friends, at least at first. So I'm going to start by making a full army with my 3d printer and see how I like it. If its a hobby I enjoy I'll start buying real gw sets.
@@A-McDrae great idea! Plus, a lot of gaming stores and events welcome 3d printed minis. You just can't take em to official warhammer stores/events
If you are counting purchasing GW terrajn its got to be option C
@@TheGamegurusChannel aye gw terrain is beautiful but sooo pricey
@@WorHammer40kmy wife is a big cosplayer, and also plays a lot of Warhammer with me. We ended up just biting the bullet, and bought a Bambu A1 FDM printer for $339 USD. It's filament so it's fantastic for terrain and cosplay parts, but bear with me when I tell you that if you use the .02 nozzle, and the looooong quality print setting, you can get resin quality for your miniatures.
Off the top of my head that's like, £280, so you can just basically get unlimited terrain for the same cost as 4 or 5 ruins, and the odd cheeky miniature if you are willing to wait 19 hours for it to print. And no fumes or curing!
@@TheGamegurusChannel that sounds fantastic! Thank you
Good one boys
oh as a commission painter a 2000pt space marine list (nothing crazy) to tabletop standard on A 4 week turnaround £300
@@conanlucas6183 wow! How many minis is that roughly
the last one I did Like that was an ork army it was over 100 minis lol. but space marines typically around 50. tabletop standard is £5 a mini generally but the other £50 is for basing. my price is for 2k list so doesn't matter if 2 custodes 😂 or a million orks if it's 2k it's £300
I think most people who get into Warhammer find a club to have a lesson or attend a give it a go session. From my knowledge these jump up a bit more and gaming cafes will have a try Warhammer etc events with a lot of different game engines. These events will make people take the terrain costs off so its less than £1000 but it is still expensive!
@@gpilley1 absolutely - we would recommend starting with a gaming club if you've got one
@@WorHammer40k i do, but i have been playing since the end of 9th as well. one thing that does wind me up is the fact that GW stores won't usually advertise local gaming clubs so people can find a community and find it easier to get involved in the hobby
@@gpilley1 yeah gw don't seem to publicly support clubs. But they do donate stuff in some cases, which is great
no games in Norwich only intro but even that's not full games just a few units if you're lucky. they don't want you playing in the store
@@conanlucas6183 thanks for confirming! At our local store they're now painting tables
If
Only of Space Marines were three times the cost (IN POINTS) and their power abilities was as good as they are on the big screen then the game would be as they play on table. With as many different unit's, armies would be so difficult on the boards.
@@nosbigdamus9665 it used to be that way. Space marines were much more elite, for sure
I will just keep playing on table top simulator and pick up a kill team box to play irl. At least until i can afford a 3d printer since gw thinks were idiots who will buy their products no matter the price.
@@ArcanoSilverwind we truly believe that there will be a tipping point where printing becomes so easy and affordable that it will really hurt GW
@@WorHammer40k that maybe true, and if it is I don't think we'll see that happening for a long time. Right now, 3d printing is it's own hobby on top of Warhammer Being a mash of hobbies in of itself. So until 3d printing is easy enough to get into for your every day man I think gw will be content selling models at higher and higher price points.
@@ArcanoSilverwind fully agree! But perhaps the speed of development in 3d printers is faster than gw believes?
@@WorHammer40k for our sake, I hope so!
🟣 the pricing for sets is proportional to the amount of each they will sell, as each set has to pay its own way. You will only buy 1 Imotekh, but you will buy many Warriors. So the grams of plastic isn't a factor. The Imotekh has to be so expensive to cover the whole development and manufacturing costs for itself.
🤓 ... ... Simon
@@simonneville3278 that's a very good point! But surely the inverse of that would be that best sellers like assault intercessors should be nearer a tenner a box than £40?
@@WorHammer40k if there was any appetite within GW to make less than their potential profit ... yes 📈
@@simonneville3278 can you imagine that boardroom discussion? "We're going to move from charging what we can get away with to a fairer system"
@WorHammer40k I honestly thonk that they have identified 3D printings evolution over the next decade ad a huge corporate threat. Perhaps the GW in 10 years time will be using the IP to make profit more than physical miniatures to make money, so computer games, books, and movies. They don't know, no one knows, so they are going to live these next 10 years as if they are their last.
In how many months will this total be around £400 shy of the new mark? I'm going to say 6 months from now! Play along! Worst thing that can happen to GW is people discovering other companies write rules.
@@hashrat would not surprise us if there was another price increase next year
I think the minimum is being to be able to buy, build and paint an army in a year. I started my 4 years ago , and shen l finaly had a full force , gw just legend my whole army. And in my country legend is not played. Most optimal is probably being able to buy&paint an army every 3 months, and owning multiple armies , preferably for multiple systems. One army, one system ? Army unfun or removed , there is nothing to save situatio . With multiple armies&systems, if w40k army X is unfun , maybe play AOS with gun army Y.
@@piotrjeske4599 sorry to hear gw put your army into legends.
there are also other rules systems like One Page Rules - could be worth a try
Waaay too much. But it's worth it I think!
@@chadhenry76 we love it
If it's worth it, it's not too much by definition.
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You can still play in stores, thsse rumours come from hatemongers. Those same people also say they do it without head office knowledge.
Rubbish. My local does it and also advertises it on their facebook pages.
These people probably dont consider its just at store discretion and you maybe just have a lame manager, or, you as the customer - are the problem and youre probably not the type the manager wants to entertain.
@@seanclarke8015 that's really good to know, thank you
GW is the reason I don't play GW games.
until GW gets rid of the IGYG format, i will buy the occasional model - but the game itself is garbage.
@@bruced648 we quite enjoy it, but fully understand a growing number of gamers prefer alternating activations
@WorHammer40k I'm glad it works for you. I quit playing 40k back in '91, with the release of 2nd version. they removed some of the best features that rogue trader offered.
on a separate note, in the U.S. it wasn't easy to get some of the miniatures (mostly all metal back then). availability was also a reason to go in other directions. cost is always a factor, but there are ways to minimize that.
@@bruced648 honestly 1e felt closer to modern day kill team than it does to 10th edition