this is not regular soldiers serving ....this is either national guard (HV) or either guys back ofr their excersize after the mandatory one year service ...look at their haircuts and insignias
Yes, I could see that immediately. They are what we call 'Reservists' (USAR) or 'Army National Guardsman' (ARNG) who are not on active duty, but attending monthly or annual training. ARNG and USAR units are not to be underestimated though, as Army National Guard units and reservists usually have older and more experienced soldiers with both civilian and military skillsets, unlike the regular army where soldiers are much younger and less experienced. National Guard units typically have superior unit cohesion and better knowledge of local terrain and local conditions due to the fact that they also live in the areas where they serve while having served in the same unit for years and years.
In Europe as well as all over the world, "U.S. Army" is simply a metonym for ALL U.S. military personnel/forces/branches, including Marines. They weren't being ignorant -- it's just that the U.S. Marines have no real cachet or face recognition in the rest of the world due to the fact that ALL occupation forces in the Post War years, and OCONUS troops stationed abroad in USAEUR and USFK/USFJ during the Cold War, were invariably U.S. Army soldiers. (They would only be aware of U.S. Marines if they were "Marines" themselves, e.g, Royal Marines, Dutch Marines, etc.).
Norwegians are absolutely brilliant! Our Marines are good too even if they are a bit egocentric, but not really. I haven't met a Norwegian soldier, but I'd love to go to all the Scandinavian countries as they are all really great people. American Marines since I'm American I've met plenty of them and have not one negative thing to say. They are really good guys. I would say sharper than the rest of Americans are the Armed Forces. Unfortunately, they are always in danger and it just isn't good for them the way people act towards them. A long time ago I was downtown with some and a guy came up to them looking menacing and just started screaming at one of the guys. I told him it was something he should just ignore and he agreed, but I could tell it hurt him. That kind of behavior has no place anywhere! Support and love to soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines EVERYWHERE. They are a lot better than most of us civies especially if you give them a chance.
This is the 25th Marines, a reserve component. Those of you guessing the dates are all wrong. A good friend of mine is in this video. He graduated high school and joined the Marines in 1982. He was getting out of the Marines when I was going in, 1986. He went to Norway with the 25th in 1983. This was first aired on PBS in 1984. I remember watching it then on channel 17 in Buffalo and I was still in high school then. I did not graduate until 1985.
David Hoffman Check your diary from that year. The Second Louie(2nd Lt ) is Lt Ernest Mattacotta. You did have some reserve Marines in the full documentary. This is Kilo 3/8
Rich Noll I know that you are correct, Rich, about Lieut. Mattacotta. I suspect you are correct about the Kilo 3/8 company as well. Thank you for sharing. David Hoffman-filmmaker
The Norwegian guys looks like they are old enough to be either home guard or reservists in for repetition training also. During cold war Norway had a much larger structure to mobilize troops into than today
As I mentioned in my description of this film, it is indeed a NATO exercise. Fascinating to watch and quite beautiful to watch the Norwegians and very friendly between forces of the different NATO countries. And for many who are watching this, interesting to see what North Norway looks like. Thank you. David Hoffman - filmmaker
To the man who asked about where this was filmed and when. It was filmed in the early 1990s. I don't know where as we were dropped from a helicopter in the Norwegian winter. when the filming was over after eight days, a helicopter picked us up and took us back to the aircraft carrier
This is exercise "Avalanche express" march 1984. Somewhere in Troms, northern Norway. I was there and i served with the Norwegian conscripts in this video. Thanks for uploading.
@@hansmarheim7620 Where they really conscripts? They sure look like home guard (Heimevernet). Think Hoffman confirmed it was back in the eighties somewhere in the comments here.
I'm pretty sure the Norwegian Armed Forces aren't using those russian hats (bjørnefitte) anymore, and in this video it looks like they're using an olive drab colored uniform. Today we use the M/98 or M/04 camouflage pattern.
I know ski troops are important, because I once read "The Influence of Ski Power upon History." Haha. As we used to say in the US infantry, "That's some good trainin' men!" The Marines I trained with all struck me as outstanding. Thx for the video.
And thank you for the insights. That name does ring a bell although I was never really sure where we were when we were filming. Low mountains and snow and small towns and roads with snow on them. David Hoffman -- filmmaker
This is awesome! I just spent 6 months deployed to Norway last year. Was doing the exact same thing. Really cool to compare, even though this was 40 years ago it's pretty much the same exact experience I had last year. Pretty cool.
The snow is just as deep and cold, and the bushes all look the same :-) One nice difference is that Norwegian soldiers are better at speaking English and a worse one is that military service is unfortunately no longer mandatory :-/
An interesting commentary you make. I would say that they were relaxed but vigilant. And I was there with them and remember that they just kept on going. Slowly and very steadily. Unstoppable. I admired them. David Hoffman-filmmaker
@magga94 We landed by helicopter from an aircraft carrier. We were approximately one hour by airplane north of Trondheim Norway. I cannot be more specific unfortunately. The time was the late 1980s. The exercise was a joint NATO exercise. David Hoffman -- filmmaker
I would say that the troops that I saw were very good skiers. I do not know if they were the Home Guards or not but they could out ski anyone I ever saw with a gun etc. The Marines had no shaving equipment with them. Thank you for your comments.
I was on this exercise (Avalanche Express 1984) I was Serving with the AMF(L) British contingent as a Medic RAMC and my unit's section was attached to 1 Para as they were the British AMF (L) Inf Bn Fun times back then.
Medal of honor warfighter developer Greg Goodrich says (a few days ago): We asked the guys who know all about it on who they look up to most, who they respect most. Who they would have risked his life, and gone into battle with. - And cross my heart, everyone referred to the Norwegian jægers, says Goodrich, - They were described as the best fighters on Earth. The toughest, most capable and intelligent special forces you can find.
For the record, for anyone, I said I pitied those troops because how they were treated (read about them).. Back on topic, it is nice to see that you have time for chatting after excercises/operations.
It's fun to see that the Norwegian Home Guard troops in the clip still use the same equipment as some are using today. For christ sake, I'm in the Home Guard Youth and we get the same BF (the hat), same backpacks, same field uniform.. It's lovely :P
@janekproductionz I can't recall whether there was a winner and a loser. They mostly just practiced together, and got along very well. David Hoffman - filmmaker
In America it's known as JROTC, which stands for Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps. In Norway it's known as Heimevernsungdommen or National Guard Youth. It's basicly (in Norway at least) a completely free activity which is paid for by the military. You get a uniform and training.. It's meant to prepare those who are motivated to go to service and to recruit to Officer and Sergeant Schools. As we have compulsory service, it's fun to know what you go to and get to know more about your options.
I am pretty sure this is from the NATO exercise”Avalanche express” in Troms, Northern Norway, march 1984. I believe I remember the face of The Norwegian sergeant talking to the second lieutenant of the US Marines. I served as a tank hunter in the Bravo Company, 1.st battalion at Saetermoen camp during the period of October -83 until June -84. I carried an 84 millimeter, recoilless anti-tank gun. It is also known by the name “Carl Gustav”. For personal protection I had a 9 millimeter Walther PPK kindly left by the Germans in 1945. “Avalanche Express” was until then (1984) the biggest NATO exercise ever conducted in Norway. Counting approximately 25.000 troopers within air-, naval-, and ground forces. 1 year of Military service/training was then compulsory for all Norwegian males. It was very nice to get the chance to talk to the US marines and the British Falklands-vets. Thanks a lot for posting this video.
@Skibir Scandinavia is a cultural, historical and ethno-linguistic region in northern Europe that includes the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, characterized by their common ethno-cultural heritage and language. Modern Norway and Sweden proper are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland.
When i served in the late 90. We have a lot of contact with other NATO countries. US marines, Dutch . English and french forces. Good soldiers all of them.
Thanks for your reply! I'm pretty sure this is in/near/around Bardufoss, as this is the area commonly used for training missions with NATO forces. Thanks for sharing this clip! :)
This is Kilo 3/8 NOT 25th Marines. This is spring of 1984. The 25th Regt may have been there in '84 But this is 3/8. No question---I can get 100's of witnesses. We later went to Beirut to guard the Embassy. I went again in '88 with 1/25.
This vid just came up, doesn't say the year it was filmed, but these guys where not even conscripts at 20y old, these guys was doing repetition recall. But it gave me some feel from when i was in to my 12 month's conscripion. Esp with not ski'ing for manny years, but had to have the MG-3 across my chest, after living in Florida for manny years 🙂
I was in one of these joint nato exercises in the mid 90s. That was north of Bardufoss where I was stationed, its about 1 hour or two north of Tronheim. At least about that area between Narvik and Tromsø. I was only playing a wounded guy wearing makeup and playing crazy. Some Germans picked me up in the snow and flied me to the field lasarette. That was fun :)
Exactly! And as a JROTC member (norwegian name is Heimevernsungdommen) I work a lot with them and see how bad they really are compared to professional units.
They do look like a realy old generation, with the "My first" beards and mustaches, the strong accents and the gear that they have. And it is kinda fun to see the home guard (the least trained soldiers) against the marines (the most trained soldiers)
@tupakki Remeber, this footage is from the 80's or early 90's. A lot have changed since then. Also, these are just normal civilians from the Home Guard. They only train for about 20-30 days a year. We usually have a lot of snow, but I don't know where in Norway this is filmed, or what time of the winter.
@nyhammer1 They are fighting the Home Guard, the speartip of the Norwegian defense. They called us the White Death Ski Troops because we are good, we blend with the enviroment and we are darn quick on skiis.
@mats1e I'm from Norway and I agree. Norwegian military isn't much to brag about. Finland pwns all, just look at the kill/death ratio between Finland and Russia during the winter war (1939-1940)
this was a very nice movie, thanks for posting it! but do not thing you have seen the elite troops of norweay yet, these are the homeguard. the real deal is the troops called FSK, MJK and "on Norwegian" Beredskabstroppen. I don't know what their called in america, i think its Delta or something.
This seems like a satire lol xD Was this really how it was back then? One thing is they seem to have handpicked the only individuals in Norway who can't speak English, but also the Norwegian reserves were all weirded out about the Americans treating them like some hidden Amazonas tribe unable to look after themselves and chatting like they won a huge battle xD This is epic gold. Never take it down!
These guys are from "Heimevernet (HV)" I think, our Home Guard. They're good considering their role, overall they are obligated to have field exercize about once per month I think. We have own special units for tasks like border guards (in the northeast) and army missions (not the same as HV). Just putting this out there, correct me if I am wrong. Good to see that you take your time to socialize :)
This is 11 years later. Think you are correct about Heimevernet, but they did not train once a month. They used to train once a year back in the days. Today regular Home Guard train every second or third year. Some might train once a year. Usually for around 7 days each time.
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i'm a little confused, are they using blanks or airsoft? cus at 0:24 i saw a guy with an orange barrel tip, so i though it was airsoft. but then i saw there was actually recoil and muzzle flash from the other guns, so just wondering.
@kingkillern im from norway so i know. Scandinavia was an alliance between Sweeden-Norway and denmark after plauge, cuz all tree countryes was weak, but the alliance was broken soon after. (i say Sweeden-Norway because Norway was not indipendent then)
Its always fun to see folks come to Norway who have barely seen snow before :3 Most amusing thing ever has to be seeing British forces attacking through knee/waist deep snow xD
These are not the Home Guard/ National Guard, but reservists from one of the old Army Regiments. They probably had less training post their 12 month basic service (perhaps one, two or three 2-3 weeks periods in 20- 25 yars) than soldiers in the Home Guard (training 6 days each year from age 18/19 until age 44). Their accent indicates that they are from the western coast as well (Sogn and Fjordane county), not the best parts in Norway for skiing.
if you notice the wood branches are the same color, so it improves the camo. if it wa all white it will create a sort of silhouette against the brown woods
@joose It's not even a couple of times, it's once a year only, and some/many don't go every year because "our shop will go bankrupt if we go away for 1 week." :]
@Katazka Dude, that comeback. It really hit me right in the heart. How can you sit in England and think you know this stuff? I mean come on, when several people slap straight facts on the table, it's time to back the hell down and do your research. This just in! Norway has dropped over 550 bombs and missiles on Libya since the conflict started. Let me know, and I'll give you sources.
@OstiasMoscas the funny thing is that Norway has the best special forces in the world, then you see these guys, who are called up to train a couple of times in the year
(Choice-supportive bias commonly is reffered to by the hypothesis that we have the belief "I chose this option, therefore it must have been the better option." and so we invent reasons (whatever sticks out, color, sound it makes, shape it has, feature it has, I know of many who bought their car because they like blue most despite their past three cars not being blue. Never have I met someone that bought their car cus it had most seats+horsepower+space+airbags+NCAP-rating, per dollar it cost))
@mynameisnobodymkay I'm half Finnish and I'm damn proud of it. Not so fun for my grandfather though, he was the world's nicest man, got some medals, and were completely destroyed (psychologically). Wiki the "Winter War", it can be an interesting (and stunning) read. I also pity the Ukraine/foreign troops conscripted in the USSR army.. sorry for off topic
I meant to ask how not why. If we have a computer-program with basic animal tasks. That is, it seeks out electricity when put into a robot, and drives around based on a map in its memory (it tries to not overlap routes). We then add all the tasks a human can perform, including judging objects based on experienced and programmed biases. it can even look like it is choosing, when it is nonetheless only comparing the options with past experience and bias. How do we know we aren't this program?
Great video. It's nice to get to see some history. I found it odd that the US marines did not have snow shoes with them. Carrying those packs in that amount of snow is very tedious and exhausting. They would maybe use half their energy if they had snow shoes or ski's!.
@mats1e And in Finland thre is only one white death... Hes called Simo Häyhä. But later on that catchy name stuck to all Finnish skie patrols. Who came from thin air and shoot and vanish.
(btw, we on average, tend to say more positive things about what we choose than what we didn't choose, even if the two options were the same, choice-supportive bias in action)
They didn't say not to shave in winter, just not shave in the morning. It takes away the protective layer of fat on your skin. In these conditions you'll need it.
This looks like it was filmed at least 20 years ago, possibly as many as 35. Our average proficiency with the English language is much higher now than what is on display in this video. We have an "MTV Generation" too. English programming on Norwegian TV wasn't as widespread until the 80s and 90s, and us kids who grew up then are much better at it.
This is only a stereotype of what a norwegian speaking english really would sound like. Matter of fact, norwegian people is decent english at speaking english. At least where I'm from (south-eastern part of Norway). I understand that some people further up north have more of a prominent accent, though, considering their dialect makes it harder for them.
My point is that it is not their fault that they only blame others, what made you realize when you made a huge mistake buying that crap? Usually it is a mix of accidental comments and influences from other people that influence us most (a friend waits a second too long to agree with how great that thing you bought is, could be what it took for you to think the thought that it was a bad descision). They just need that certain correct push aswell, that makes them truly rethink their position.
You still don't get it, WE are ALL chesspieces! Everyone, does what they do because that's how the dice fell by following the laws of physics. Do you really think your neurons fire because they choose to do so themselves? No, energy does not arise from nothing. Something allways make the neurons fire (the lots of senses are input-sources, sources of things that make the neurons fire, you see something, the neurons fire, your neurons signal your muscles, sense muscle movement, neurons fire again)
These aren't elite Norwegian ski troops, just regular soldiers serving their one year mandatory military service :)
this is not regular soldiers serving ....this is either national guard (HV) or either guys back ofr their excersize after the mandatory one year service ...look at their haircuts and insignias
true, just ex-soldiers
Yes, I could see that immediately. They are what we call 'Reservists' (USAR) or 'Army National Guardsman' (ARNG) who are not on active duty, but attending monthly or annual training. ARNG and USAR units are not to be underestimated though, as Army National Guard units and reservists usually have older and more experienced soldiers with both civilian and military skillsets, unlike the regular army where soldiers are much younger and less experienced. National Guard units typically have superior unit cohesion and better knowledge of local terrain and local conditions due to the fact that they also live in the areas where they serve while having served in the same unit for years and years.
The train for one week, every other year.
They are the Home Guards and NOT active personnel . The Americans got their a.. kicked.
MG3 on skis. Doesn't get more badass than that
two mg3 on skiis!
MG3 with a snow shoe under the bipod!
Mg3 fixed on a sled.
"This is the first time we shoot with US Army, too...", "We're Marines though."
Hahahah, cracked me up :')
In Europe as well as all over the world, "U.S. Army" is simply a metonym for ALL U.S. military personnel/forces/branches, including Marines. They weren't being ignorant -- it's just that the U.S. Marines have no real cachet or face recognition in the rest of the world due to the fact that ALL occupation forces in the Post War years, and OCONUS troops stationed abroad in USAEUR and USFK/USFJ during the Cold War, were invariably U.S. Army soldiers. (They would only be aware of U.S. Marines if they were "Marines" themselves, e.g, Royal Marines, Dutch Marines, etc.).
Norwegians are absolutely brilliant! Our Marines are good too even if they are a bit egocentric, but not really. I haven't met a Norwegian soldier, but I'd love to go to all the Scandinavian countries as they are all really great people. American Marines since I'm American I've met plenty of them and have not one negative thing to say. They are really good guys. I would say sharper than the rest of Americans are the Armed Forces. Unfortunately, they are always in danger and it just isn't good for them the way people act towards them. A long time ago I was downtown with some and a guy came up to them looking menacing and just started screaming at one of the guys. I told him it was something he should just ignore and he agreed, but I could tell it hurt him. That kind of behavior has no place anywhere! Support and love to soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines EVERYWHERE. They are a lot better than most of us civies especially if you give them a chance.
This is just Norwegian trainee soldiers
This is the 25th Marines, a reserve component. Those of you guessing the dates are all wrong. A good friend of mine is in this video. He graduated high school and joined the Marines in 1982. He was getting out of the Marines when I was going in, 1986. He went to Norway with the 25th in 1983. This was first aired on PBS in 1984. I remember watching it then on channel 17 in Buffalo and I was still in high school then. I did not graduate until 1985.
You are correct on all fronts-- and thank you.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
David Hoffman Check your diary from that year. The Second Louie(2nd Lt ) is Lt Ernest Mattacotta. You did have some reserve Marines in the full documentary. This is Kilo 3/8
Rich Noll I know that you are correct, Rich, about Lieut. Mattacotta. I suspect you are correct about the Kilo 3/8 company as well. Thank you for sharing.
David Hoffman-filmmaker
The Norwegian guys looks like they are old enough to be either home guard or reservists in for repetition training also. During cold war Norway had a much larger structure to mobilize troops into than today
As I mentioned in my description of this film, it is indeed a NATO exercise. Fascinating to watch and quite beautiful to watch the Norwegians and very friendly between forces of the different NATO countries. And for many who are watching this, interesting to see what North Norway looks like. Thank you.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
Those Norwegians are regulars, not elites.
Norwegian soldiers, even with only 1 year training, are the best on artic warfare.
To the man who asked about where this was filmed and when. It was filmed in the early 1990s. I don't know where as we were dropped from a helicopter in the Norwegian winter. when the filming was over after eight days, a helicopter picked us up and took us back to the aircraft carrier
This is exercise "Avalanche express" march 1984. Somewhere in Troms, northern Norway. I was there and i served with the Norwegian conscripts in this video. Thanks for uploading.
@@hansmarheim7620 Where they really conscripts? They sure look like home guard (Heimevernet). Think Hoffman confirmed it was back in the eighties somewhere in the comments here.
@@johnmoe2806 some homeguards too. But I and the north brigade was conscripts. 9 or 10 months into our 12 months first service.
Well, the Norwegian soldiers sure as hell have changed since then! In this video they kind of look like russians, especially with them hats.
Actually the uniforms haven't really changed since 1975. They still use those hats too.
I'm pretty sure the Norwegian Armed Forces aren't using those russian hats (bjørnefitte) anymore, and in this video it looks like they're using an olive drab colored uniform. Today we use the M/98 or M/04 camouflage pattern.
***** lol;)
You should see the Norwegian FSK (Armed Forces' Special Commando). They are probably more elite than the British SAS or the US Navy SEALs.
I used a blue version of it when i was in the Royal guard. but it was only allowed for those chilly nights.
You dont get elite Norwegian soldiers in game. Because they would be other places
I know ski troops are important, because I once read "The Influence of Ski Power upon History." Haha. As we used to say in the US infantry, "That's some good trainin' men!" The Marines I trained with all struck me as outstanding. Thx for the video.
Now that's a book! And Samuel Morrison's US Naval Campaigns WW2.
I was there. it is 1984
Yes i remember. "Avalanche express" 1983/84.
I was wondering how old this footage was.
Thank you for your response. Your comment means a lot to me.
David Hoffman -- filmmaker
And thank you for the insights. That name does ring a bell although I was never really sure where we were when we were filming. Low mountains and snow and small towns and roads with snow on them.
David Hoffman -- filmmaker
This is awesome! I just spent 6 months deployed to Norway last year. Was doing the exact same thing. Really cool to compare, even though this was 40 years ago it's pretty much the same exact experience I had last year. Pretty cool.
The snow is just as deep and cold, and the bushes all look the same :-) One nice difference is that Norwegian soldiers are better at speaking English and a worse one is that military service is unfortunately no longer mandatory :-/
An interesting commentary you make. I would say that they were relaxed but vigilant. And I was there with them and remember that they just kept on going. Slowly and very steadily. Unstoppable. I admired them.
David Hoffman-filmmaker
@magga94 We landed by helicopter from an aircraft carrier. We were approximately one hour by airplane north of Trondheim Norway. I cannot be more specific unfortunately. The time was the late 1980s. The exercise was a joint NATO exercise.
David Hoffman -- filmmaker
Thanks this is from my home town :) Shared it in one of my videos :)
I would say that the troops that I saw were very good skiers. I do not know if they were the Home Guards or not but they could out ski anyone I ever saw with a gun etc. The Marines had no shaving equipment with them. Thank you for your comments.
Great to see us great along, not sure if our countrys really like each other but it's still nice to see each other get along.
I was on this exercise (Avalanche Express 1984) I was Serving with the AMF(L) British contingent as a Medic RAMC and my unit's section was attached to 1 Para as they were the British AMF (L) Inf Bn Fun times back then.
Medal of honor warfighter developer Greg Goodrich says (a few days ago):
We asked the guys who know all about it on who they look up to most, who they respect most. Who they would have risked his life, and gone into battle with.
- And cross my heart, everyone referred to the Norwegian jægers, says Goodrich,
- They were described as the best fighters on Earth. The toughest, most capable and intelligent special forces you can find.
For the record, for anyone, I said I pitied those troops because how they were treated (read about them)..
Back on topic, it is nice to see that you have time for chatting after excercises/operations.
gotta love military talk amongst nations on youtube
It's fun to see that the Norwegian Home Guard troops in the clip still use the same equipment as some are using today. For christ sake, I'm in the Home Guard Youth and we get the same BF (the hat), same backpacks, same field uniform.. It's lovely :P
The Norwegians are AWESOME! I am also from Norway :)
WOW NO WAY!
Morfaren min var Trondelsk. Nordmen (og...Nordkvinner?) ER awesome!
proud to be from norway, and even more to be born and raised in ALTA, from the famous "ALTABATALJON" in 24 weeks im in the army, cant wait!
@janekproductionz I can't recall whether there was a winner and a loser. They mostly just practiced together, and got along very well.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
In America it's known as JROTC, which stands for Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps. In Norway it's known as Heimevernsungdommen or National Guard Youth. It's basicly (in Norway at least) a completely free activity which is paid for by the military. You get a uniform and training.. It's meant to prepare those who are motivated to go to service and to recruit to Officer and Sergeant Schools. As we have compulsory service, it's fun to know what you go to and get to know more about your options.
pretty cool video. thanks for uploading
The film is certainly not new, but can you tell me what has really changed. I mean substantively.
David Hoffman -- filmmaker
I am pretty sure this is from the NATO exercise”Avalanche express” in Troms, Northern Norway, march 1984. I believe I remember the face of The Norwegian sergeant talking to the second lieutenant of the US Marines. I served as a tank hunter in the Bravo Company, 1.st battalion at Saetermoen camp during the period of October -83 until June -84. I carried an 84 millimeter, recoilless anti-tank gun. It is also known by the name “Carl Gustav”. For personal protection I had a 9 millimeter Walther PPK kindly left by the Germans in 1945. “Avalanche Express” was until then (1984) the biggest NATO exercise ever conducted in Norway. Counting approximately 25.000 troopers within air-, naval-, and ground forces. 1 year of Military service/training was then compulsory for all Norwegian males. It was very nice to get the chance to talk to the US marines and the British Falklands-vets. Thanks a lot for posting this video.
@grahwo, Us Brits have seen our fair share of deep snow and -30 odd temperatures, thank you very much!
Also the English and Dutch marines have specialised skytroops, exercising up north in Norway.
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When i served in the late 90. We have a lot of contact with other NATO countries. US marines, Dutch . English and french forces. Good soldiers all of them.
Outstanding!
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Fuck I wish I could have trained with the Norwegians.. :( I got to train with the South Korean Marines and Philippine Marines.. that was cool though.
you should have come here. our winter exercises get pretty insane.
Would have loved too. Looks like a good exercise.
Thanks for your reply!
I'm pretty sure this is in/near/around Bardufoss, as this is the area commonly used for training missions with NATO forces.
Thanks for sharing this clip! :)
This is Kilo 3/8 NOT 25th Marines. This is spring of 1984. The 25th Regt may have been there in '84 But this is 3/8. No question---I can get 100's of witnesses. We later went to Beirut to guard the Embassy. I went again in '88 with 1/25.
This vid just came up, doesn't say the year it was filmed, but these guys where not even conscripts at 20y old, these guys was doing repetition recall. But it gave me some feel from when i was in to my 12 month's conscripion. Esp with not ski'ing for manny years, but had to have the MG-3 across my chest, after living in Florida for manny years 🙂
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker i read it. Did't see a date so thats the only thing i wondered about.
1986
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Ahh, thx 🙂Just 3 years befor my time 🙂
I was in one of these joint nato exercises in the mid 90s. That was north of Bardufoss where I was stationed, its about 1 hour or two north of Tronheim. At least about that area between Narvik and Tromsø. I was only playing a wounded guy wearing makeup and playing crazy. Some Germans picked me up in the snow and flied me to the field lasarette. That was fun :)
@azzazzazzaaaa that is the place. thank you.
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Imagine if the Jokerines knew that they were fighting against the Norwegian national guard, instead of Norway's SpecOps...
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This is in Skjold, during the Nato exercise Cold Response in 1989,
Exactly! And as a JROTC member (norwegian name is Heimevernsungdommen) I work a lot with them and see how bad they really are compared to professional units.
They do look like a realy old generation, with the "My first" beards and mustaches, the strong accents and the gear that they have.
And it is kinda fun to see the home guard (the least trained soldiers) against the marines (the most trained soldiers)
@tupakki Remeber, this footage is from the 80's or early 90's. A lot have changed since then. Also, these are just normal civilians from the Home Guard. They only train for about 20-30 days a year.
We usually have a lot of snow, but I don't know where in Norway this is filmed, or what time of the winter.
Why does this look like it was filmed in the 70s or 80s! Anyway nice film showing our allies.
Because it was filmed in the 80's
In the Carter Era our troops would have had all left foot ski's only. AirWing 77-81. Teamwork 80 Orland Field.
Royal Marines train in Norway too every year. Must have some great facilities and instructors.
@nyhammer1 They are fighting the Home Guard, the speartip of the Norwegian defense. They called us the White Death Ski Troops because we are good, we blend with the enviroment and we are darn quick on skiis.
finally somebody mentions poor exploded faced Simo haya, most underrated badass of all time. you'll never know he hit you.
@mats1e I'm from Norway and I agree. Norwegian military isn't much to brag about. Finland pwns all, just look at the kill/death ratio between Finland and Russia during the winter war (1939-1940)
this was a very nice movie, thanks for posting it!
but do not thing you have seen the elite troops of norweay yet, these are the homeguard.
the real deal is the troops called FSK, MJK and "on Norwegian" Beredskabstroppen. I don't know what their called in america, i think its Delta or something.
This seems like a satire lol xD
Was this really how it was back then? One thing is they seem to have handpicked the only individuals in Norway who can't speak English, but also the Norwegian reserves were all weirded out about the Americans treating them like some hidden Amazonas tribe unable to look after themselves and chatting like they won a huge battle xD
This is epic gold. Never take it down!
These guys are from "Heimevernet (HV)" I think, our Home Guard. They're good considering their role, overall they are obligated to have field exercize about once per month I think.
We have own special units for tasks like border guards (in the northeast) and army missions (not the same as HV). Just putting this out there, correct me if I am wrong.
Good to see that you take your time to socialize :)
This is 11 years later. Think you are correct about Heimevernet, but they did not train once a month. They used to train once a year back in the days. Today regular Home Guard train every second or third year. Some might train once a year. Usually for around 7 days each time.
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i'm a little confused, are they using blanks or airsoft? cus at 0:24 i saw a guy with an orange barrel tip, so i though it was airsoft. but then i saw there was actually recoil and muzzle flash from the other guns, so just wondering.
@allinaday All of our equipment for the Norwegian.
And the general resolution of the video :P
@kingkillern im from norway so i know.
Scandinavia was an alliance between Sweeden-Norway and denmark after plauge, cuz all tree countryes was weak, but the alliance was broken soon after.
(i say Sweeden-Norway because Norway was not indipendent then)
Its always fun to see folks come to Norway who have barely seen snow before :3
Most amusing thing ever has to be seeing British forces attacking through knee/waist deep snow xD
I totally agree, even though I am Norwegian. Häyhä was legendary.
These are not the Home Guard/ National Guard, but reservists from one of the old Army Regiments.
They probably had less training post their 12 month basic service (perhaps one, two or three 2-3 weeks periods in 20- 25 yars) than soldiers in the Home Guard (training 6 days each year from age 18/19 until age 44).
Their accent indicates that they are from the western coast as well (Sogn and Fjordane county), not the best parts in Norway for skiing.
"Norwegian White Death Ski Troops", described as "elite ski troops" in the description xD Dear Lord xD
Why use black/green caps to white snowsuits? Doesnt that ruin the camo a bit?
Sure does, many headshots, many. You stick out like a sore thumb.
if you notice the wood branches are the same color, so it improves the camo. if it wa all white it will create a sort of silhouette against the brown woods
they probably have a hood they can pull over
@joose
It's not even a couple of times, it's once a year only, and some/many don't go every year because "our shop will go bankrupt if we go away for 1 week." :]
@badseed136 yeah but what are they gonna do if they need to get a respirator on quick? have a quick shave?
very nice
@Katazka Dude, that comeback. It really hit me right in the heart.
How can you sit in England and think you know this stuff? I mean come on, when several people slap straight facts on the table, it's time to back the hell down and do your research.
This just in! Norway has dropped over 550 bombs and missiles on Libya since the conflict started. Let me know, and I'll give you sources.
@Oozy
They are not soldiers, they are civillians in the Home Guard that goes on rep-training 1 week every year. :]
@cuzgandalfgothigh99
are modifications from german equipment, for example the Y-Straps, belts, winter camoflage etc
@OstiasMoscas the funny thing is that Norway has the best special forces in the world, then you see these guys, who are called up to train a couple of times in the year
(Choice-supportive bias commonly is reffered to by the hypothesis that we have the belief "I chose this option, therefore it must have been the better option." and so we invent reasons (whatever sticks out, color, sound it makes, shape it has, feature it has, I know of many who bought their car because they like blue most despite their past three cars not being blue. Never have I met someone that bought their car cus it had most seats+horsepower+space+airbags+NCAP-rating, per dollar it cost))
@mynameisnobodymkay I'm half Finnish and I'm damn proud of it. Not so fun for my grandfather though, he was the world's nicest man, got some medals, and were completely destroyed (psychologically).
Wiki the "Winter War", it can be an interesting (and stunning) read. I also pity the Ukraine/foreign troops conscripted in the USSR army.. sorry for off topic
@allinaday could it be in bardufoss?
@04:04
Norwegian Soldier:
"You (US Marines) are like prisoners".
US Marine: ".....Yeah".
Yep!!!😆🤣🤣
These Marines need to learn more about the winter war.
Ja, videoen ser veldig gammel ut, 70 tallet kanskje.
Norway got some great snow warriors, but "White Death" is the name of Finnish ski troops during Winter War 1939-1940 ;)
I meant to ask how not why. If we have a computer-program with basic animal tasks. That is, it seeks out electricity when put into a robot, and drives around based on a map in its memory (it tries to not overlap routes). We then add all the tasks a human can perform, including judging objects based on experienced and programmed biases. it can even look like it is choosing, when it is nonetheless only comparing the options with past experience and bias. How do we know we aren't this program?
Norway has changed alot since then.
Anybody know what marine corps unit it is? My old unit used to go to Norway for winter training, every few years.
@Skibir lol i know cuz im to. but that info has been found on the sandinavia main home page
Great video. It's nice to get to see some history. I found it odd that the US marines did not have snow shoes with them. Carrying those packs in that amount of snow is very tedious and exhausting. They would maybe use half their energy if they had snow shoes or ski's!.
@mats1e And in Finland thre is only one white death... Hes called Simo Häyhä.
But later on that catchy name stuck to all Finnish skie patrols. Who came from thin air and shoot and vanish.
(btw, we on average, tend to say more positive things about what we choose than what we didn't choose, even if the two options were the same, choice-supportive bias in action)
They didn't say not to shave in winter, just not shave in the morning. It takes away the protective layer of fat on your skin. In these conditions you'll need it.
This looks like it was filmed at least 20 years ago, possibly as many as 35. Our average proficiency with the English language is much higher now than what is on display in this video. We have an "MTV Generation" too. English programming on Norwegian TV wasn't as widespread until the 80s and 90s, and us kids who grew up then are much better at it.
I would guess the late 80s, since theUSMC still use M16A1s in this movie, not M16A2s, which arrived in the early 90s.
why are people arguing?
they were training as allies
This is only a stereotype of what a norwegian speaking english really would sound like. Matter of fact, norwegian people is decent english at speaking english. At least where I'm from (south-eastern part of Norway). I understand that some people further up north have more of a prominent accent, though, considering their dialect makes it harder for them.
@ultraliser It was a Finnish sniper, but Russians called all finnish ski troops so ;)
My point is that it is not their fault that they only blame others, what made you realize when you made a huge mistake buying that crap? Usually it is a mix of accidental comments and influences from other people that influence us most (a friend waits a second too long to agree with how great that thing you bought is, could be what it took for you to think the thought that it was a bad descision). They just need that certain correct push aswell, that makes them truly rethink their position.
4:12 Marine guy asks the norwegian soldier "Where is our weed?"
I dont think so. I did a bit of research and this was made in the late 80s. Somewhere between 1987 and 1989.
You still don't get it, WE are ALL chesspieces! Everyone, does what they do because that's how the dice fell by following the laws of physics. Do you really think your neurons fire because they choose to do so themselves? No, energy does not arise from nothing. Something allways make the neurons fire (the lots of senses are input-sources, sources of things that make the neurons fire, you see something, the neurons fire, your neurons signal your muscles, sense muscle movement, neurons fire again)
@Katazka
How old are you?
long live the glorious Norwegian troops greetings from Mexico