@@PeriscopeFilm This guy gives you honest thanks, and you hit him up with a canned request for patronage. Classy. Would it hurt you to type something original?
I apprenticed in 1979 under two Senior Chiefs {retired} at the end of the day all the crew were enjoying a beer I was using brasso on the MKV copper collar I only dove the thing couple of times mostly I was in a Jack Brown or a KMB10 and coveralls good times as well! I still dive on jobs occasionally.
For those interested in reading about a real sub salvage operation, the S-51 in 1925, where some of these techniques were used first, and a usable underwater torch was developed, you can read "On The Bottom" by Commander Edward Ellesberg, commander in charge of the operation. He was also briefly involved in the S-4 salvage operation. Long out of print but still findable in the internet used market.
The three boats at 03:35 remind me of my old boat, the USS Wahoo (SS-565) before the three big topside sonar domes were installed and forward section was extended. I can't make out the data that is on the walkway on the center boat, though. I was a Radioman stationed aboard the Wahoo from 1977 to 1980. It was definitely a blast being submariner, especially aboard a diesel-electric boat like the Wahoo at that time. ;-)
Having salvage valves was a good idea. Another would have been permanent lifting eyes fastened to the pressure hull ribs so lifting can fasten to these negating having to pass cables/chains under the hull.
From the Surface, how do they get the Rescue bell Directly over Top of sunken subs Hatch ?? ...The sucken Sub may Not be Level....That Rescue bell better have a Good seal on the sub....
@@miked1765 Recomissioned as the Sailfish, it sank a Japanese carrier that was transporting prisoners-of-war-- survivors of a Japanese depth charging that sunk Sculpin (the boat involved in the Squalus rescue).
But submariners have been rescued which is important. And Submarines have been recovered. The Squalas was the first (?) that rescued 32 people due to development of the rescue bell that could attach to 'any' sub. Momsen, who developed a resuce breathing apparatus that saved many people during WW2, asked the Sub Design Bureau after WW1 to develop a resuce bell that he described the requirements. They declined and another sub, the S4, sank where they could access the sub with divers but had no means to recover the trapped sailors, they all died. After this Momsen built a prototype of a rescue bell and this was then develoed further. Squalas was it's frst use I think. I think the Russians rejected USA support to resuce their folks from the Kursk with the advanced rescue equipment that can go deeper and rescue more per trip (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle (DSRV). So we can now recover sailors if the sub hasn't been crushed by water pressure.
Do any body know if pontoons are still used today? Or they are old-fashioned and replaced by some more efficient technology? And, do you probably know some newer salvage reports?! Thanks a lot!
My guess is that, since the outer hull is not nearly as strong as the pressure hull, it wouldn't hold the weight... That or it could compromise the pressure hull If attached to that. Submarines sunk so infrequently back then, it was probably deemed an unimportant feature
It could be a training sub, but it could be the Sqailus (sp), a sub that sunk during tests in the 30's, I don't know though, its in color, they are using the Maumson (sp) rescue bell? she lost some crew I know, Maumson was in on that rescue himself, keep on justasinger54
The Squalus SS 192 went down off the Isle of Shoals during a test dive on 23 May 1939. There is an excellent book written back then by Nat Barrows called "Blow All Ballast" if you are fortunate enough to locate a copy. The book is the entire story of the test dive, the rescue and the salvage of the Squalus. Many excellent Blk & Wht photos of Swede Momsen and the divers, the diving bell and the salvage. Just checked and Amazon has two copies available. 4/13/19.
Here's the issue: tens of thousands of films like this one were destroyed and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like this on online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes. So, in the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RUclips users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content. We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to deal with these kind of issues.
Or....you can build a ship with an internal lifting claw to pick it up of the sea bed and name it glomar explorer.....oh wait....never mind the broke it up and scraped it.
The count down sign is bother sum, and obstructs the middle lower part of the screen making it difficult to see what is being shown and talked about. It should be removed.
Here's the issue: this film and others like it may have been made by taxpayers, but the U.S. Government in its infinite wisdom, threw it away. Tens of thousands of similar films were destroyed and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like this on online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes. So, in the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RUclips users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content. We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to deal with these kind of issues.
Get over Chuck! Just listen to the info then. These guys at Periscope Films do us justice by providing these docs for free on YT; most likely on a shoestring budget! Support these professionals through Patreon.
I wonder if any of these hair-brained ideas were ever put into practice ? I mean really, how many modern day (at the time of the subject matter) sub sinkings were there ? How many were raised ? I can only think of once when lives were saved and I'm not even sure that wasn't just in a movie !!!
@snowtiger....hmmm....some degree of accuracy in what you're saying, but misadventures in military activity/technology ie failures weren't readily made public then or now. sure there were some exceptions, but for the most part, as recent books/film have pointed out, subs in the cold war era were playing deadly games of hide/seek, espionage, and covert delivery of resources. besides, these "ideas" were the foundation upon which later techniques/technologies were of course founded, and utilized. can't just sit on your hands letting "best" being the enemy of "better" or "good" as the saying goes. got to start somewhere. sub hx is fascinating for anyone who cares to delve into it. cheers...
1:10 hahaah!, funny "feel good" propaganda, that rescue was.. lol. some how when the sub sank it came to rest on the seafloor upright, some how they attached some extendable tube to it, and got the sailors out. that all very optimistic,...bullshit... even nowadays with all them highttech mini rescue subs it takes days and days to find and locate a sunken sub, if you do find it, the question is how much is left...
Thanks for showing that. I was a diver. I was in the last class still to have the Mark 5 still on our training syllabus! So many memories! Thanks
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@@PeriscopeFilm This guy gives you honest thanks, and you hit him up with a canned request for patronage. Classy. Would it hurt you to type something original?
I apprenticed in 1979 under two Senior Chiefs {retired} at the end of the day all the crew were enjoying a beer I was using brasso on the MKV copper collar I only dove the thing couple of times mostly I was in a Jack Brown or a KMB10 and coveralls good times as well! I still dive on jobs occasionally.
For those interested in reading about a real sub salvage operation, the S-51 in 1925, where some of these techniques were used first, and a usable underwater torch was developed, you can read "On The Bottom" by Commander Edward Ellesberg, commander in charge of the operation. He was also briefly involved in the S-4 salvage operation. Long out of print but still findable in the internet used market.
These military training and information films are always a learning experience.
thats there point.
Shop Dog and
300 ft safe dive depth in those canvas, rubber and copper suits brave men indeed
Very cool video! Love old military stuff like this! I learned a heck of alot watchin this one thank you!
Again great film . Thanks.PERISCOPE UP!
good video restoration...and the issues haven't changed since....this is why I am a Patron
The three boats at 03:35 remind me of my old boat, the USS Wahoo (SS-565) before the three big topside sonar domes were installed and forward section was extended. I can't make out the data that is on the walkway on the center boat, though. I was a Radioman stationed aboard the Wahoo from 1977 to 1980. It was definitely a blast being submariner, especially aboard a diesel-electric boat like the Wahoo at that time. ;-)
The USS Hoist was the home of the 1st African American Navy Diver, Carl B.
evere ones seen the movie smartass richard c
But he couldn’t swim
@@mrpaulgrimm6129 Came here for this comment.
andybaldman you try swimming in a diving suit?
Having salvage valves was a good idea. Another would have been permanent lifting eyes fastened to the pressure hull ribs so lifting can fasten to these negating having to pass cables/chains under the hull.
Nice job. Thanks
One of the Airport movies where a 747 sank in the ocean with people inside. they used this air balloon system to raise it and get the people off
Love the old cheesy movies, 747 pressurized under the ocean.
Interesting doc, seems old 60ish I guess. Subs now prob to heavy for this technique. The on screen counter is intrusive. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent !
From the Surface, how do they get the Rescue bell Directly over Top of sunken subs Hatch ?? ...The sucken Sub may Not be Level....That Rescue bell better have a Good seal on the sub....
As far as I know, very few submariners have been rescued from a sunk submarine, due to most sinkings are too deep!
USS Squalus.
PeriscopeFilm Yep, which later during the Second World War accidentally sank a submarine that had played a huge role in in the rescue of the Squalas.
@@miked1765 Recomissioned as the Sailfish, it sank a Japanese carrier that was transporting prisoners-of-war-- survivors of a Japanese depth charging that sunk Sculpin (the boat involved in the Squalus rescue).
Hank13665 Yes, I think you are correct.
But submariners have been rescued which is important. And Submarines have been recovered. The Squalas was the first (?) that rescued 32 people due to development of the rescue bell that could attach to 'any' sub. Momsen, who developed a resuce breathing apparatus that saved many people during WW2, asked the Sub Design Bureau after WW1 to develop a resuce bell that he described the requirements. They declined and another sub, the S4, sank where they could access the sub with divers but had no means to recover the trapped sailors, they all died. After this Momsen built a prototype of a rescue bell and this was then develoed further. Squalas was it's frst use I think. I think the Russians rejected USA support to resuce their folks from the Kursk with the advanced rescue equipment that can go deeper and rescue more per trip (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle (DSRV). So we can now recover sailors if the sub hasn't been crushed by water pressure.
Do any body know if pontoons are still used today? Or they are old-fashioned and replaced by some more efficient technology? And, do you probably know some newer salvage reports?!
Thanks a lot!
Yup. Officers and MEN! Some things should never change!
"For Official Use Only". You mean me and 165 of my friends cant use this information privately to recover our sunken civilian submarine?
Nate Hill Hahaha! Exactly! 👍🏾
Why not weld brackets on top of hull to lift sub straight away instead of washing mud from under sub when sub is new
My guess is that, since the outer hull is not nearly as strong as the pressure hull, it wouldn't hold the weight... That or it could compromise the pressure hull If attached to that.
Submarines sunk so infrequently back then, it was probably deemed an unimportant feature
Go Navy✌️!
It could be a training sub, but it could be the Sqailus (sp), a sub that sunk during tests in the 30's, I don't know though, its in color, they are using the Maumson (sp) rescue bell? she lost some crew I know, Maumson was in on that rescue himself, keep on justasinger54
The Squalus SS 192 went down off the Isle of Shoals during a test dive on 23 May 1939. There is an excellent book written back then by Nat Barrows called "Blow All Ballast" if you are fortunate enough to locate a copy. The book is the entire story of the test dive, the rescue and the salvage of the Squalus. Many excellent Blk & Wht photos of Swede Momsen and the divers, the diving bell and the salvage. Just checked and Amazon has two copies available. 4/13/19.
Or could compressed air be pumped into both ballast tanks and sub will come to surface by its self and block any holes of escaping air
Why don't you put the numbers at the the bottom of the screen instead of 1/4 of the way off the bottom. Does not make the film enjoyable to watch.
Here's the issue: tens of thousands of films like this one were destroyed and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like this on online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes.
So, in the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RUclips users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content. We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to deal with these kind of issues.
Thank you for the work you do Periscope Films
@bobking...why don't you go produce or otherwise find, retrieve, revive, and then publicize such material yourself, then?
Anybody know what sub this is?
Look at the salvage of USS Guitarro SSN-665 in May 1969
Strange they didn't think of lifting points built on to the Sub. Or weld them to the Sub during the rescue.
How do you dock with a tilted sub?
NAVY decides to make a salvage film to cover up the Screen Door debacle.
Or just have a CIA team develop a claw to lift it off the ocean floor lol
Buddy Godthrie is Mr.tambourine man!
Or....you can build a ship with an internal lifting claw to pick it up of the sea bed and name it glomar explorer.....oh wait....never mind the broke it up and scraped it.
De-water the ship???
The count down sign is bother sum, and obstructs the middle lower part of the screen making it difficult to see what is being shown and talked about. It should be removed.
Here's the issue: this film and others like it may have been made by taxpayers, but the U.S. Government in its infinite wisdom, threw it away. Tens of thousands of similar films were destroyed and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like this on online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes.
So, in the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RUclips users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content. We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to deal with these kind of issues.
Get over Chuck! Just listen to the info then.
These guys at Periscope Films do us justice by providing these docs for free on YT; most likely on a shoestring budget! Support these professionals through Patreon.
Check submarine S-51, mentioned in the video,
Thneed2003 the S-51 sank in September 1925.
What did they do with the bodies?
Back in the day they lost subs like I lose smarties down the side of the sofa....glad losing them is now so rare.
Hello Soviet nuclear sub! Hi Glomar explorer! >crack< bye Glomar explorer!
i wonder why 2/3 of subs go down in less than 300foot of water ??? is that there patrol area ?
SOUNDS ALL WET TO ME
YHLC Site: www.navsource.org/archives/14/6001.htm
At 6:05ish notice the state of the art computer in use by the Navy Officer
I knew how to use one of those slide rules ...a long time ago
@@earlyriser8998 if you put a new “B” cell battery in them they work just fine again. 😉😷
I wonder which submarine this is? I never knew the Navy intentionally sank a submarine for salvage practice.
Could be one they sank by testing weapons.
how long would a fart last in a submaine i'd go in buddys qtrs & lay a egg
I wonder if any of these hair-brained ideas were ever put into practice ? I mean really, how many modern day (at the time of the subject matter) sub sinkings were there ? How many were raised ? I can only think of once when lives were saved and I'm not even sure that wasn't just in a movie !!!
@snowtiger....hmmm....some degree of accuracy in what you're saying, but misadventures in military activity/technology ie failures weren't readily made public then or now. sure there were some exceptions, but for the most part, as recent books/film have pointed out, subs in the cold war era were playing deadly games of hide/seek, espionage, and covert delivery of resources. besides, these "ideas" were the foundation upon which later techniques/technologies were of course founded, and utilized. can't just sit on your hands letting "best" being the enemy of "better" or "good" as the saying goes. got to start somewhere. sub hx is fascinating for anyone who cares to delve into it. cheers...
my polish grandfather ( bobalink u stinkski designed the submarine screen doors
jethto tull AQUALUNG
1:10 hahaah!, funny "feel good" propaganda, that rescue was.. lol.
some how when the sub sank it came to rest on the seafloor upright,
some how they attached some extendable tube to it, and got the sailors out.
that all very optimistic,...bullshit... even nowadays with all them highttech mini rescue subs it takes days and days to find and locate a sunken sub, if you do find it, the question is how much is left...
Not likely the Squalus filmed in color....
too much bla bla bla