Jeff I like the continuous drill and use it when teaching. For some people it just works as a Habit Breaker. Sometimes I put a ball in the throat to exaggerate the feel of it for the player....so that is just a weighted version of the drill. More excellent tips. Thanks for sharing.
Very best lesson on trophy position 👌 especially on half, quarter serve concept. Thanks. In future, would suggest forehand drop shot tips, the last one you did was 7 years ago 😊
Thank you Nils! Look forward to hear how it works once you're able to try it out ;) Feel free to let us know how we can help you to improve your game off the court. Jeff.
Thanks Jeff! Your video is eye opening! You nail it! Everytime I try to replicate the trophy position, I get back to my old habit. Greeting from newbie tennis player from Indonesia!
I thought I would be thrown off by the instructor being left handed, but this was helpful! I'm going to try the continuous motion without a ball to get familiar with how it's supposed to feel!
Hi Jeff, I have been trying to improve my serve by watching your videos. Really like your tips on all of them. In this video, I have two questions hoping you could clarify them for me. 1. When you toss the ball, does your arm go diagonally inside the court or your arm was parallel to the baseline. I can't really tell from the video angle. 2. At 6:54, you mentioned to keep our weight on the back foot when in the trophy position, could you elaborate on the weight distribution between the two legs? Is it 75% back and 25% front or some other ratios? Thank you in advance for your information.
Another master class. Trophy position is a stylish name that has stuck, but should be called the "Loaded Position", because that's the point you load both your legs and back... Whatever the name, as Jeff says: "Find it" - and then you will find your serve
Great video Jeff 👍. I noticed the trigger finger on your conti grip and am trying to implement that in my serve. What effect does the gap with the index finger have ?
Thank you Patrick. It allows you to have more feel when you swing the racquet, and it allows you to relax your hand better. What other type of lessons would you like to see next in our channel? Jeff.
Thanks Jeff, do you have any drill to keep the tossing arm longer? I tend to drop my tossing arm before I even get to my trophy post. Thank you very much!
great video thankyou! Does this mean you would recommend against fully taking the racquet arm back with a straight arm? Currently I take my racquet all the way back with a straight arm & then I eventually bend the elbow to get to a 90 degree angle in the trophy phase.
Can you used 2 camera so we can see your body movement in defferent angle especially Im right handed it help more to follow the movement of the arn and body how far it goes
Awesome video! I've had serving problems over the years and recently changed it out of frustration to an abbreviated "Jay Berger type" serve. I was surprised how much more consistent my serve has been and it even seemed to have a little more on it. Are there any drawbacks to just keeping the "three Quarters" serve you showed and just have that as your normal serve? Seems pretty compact, good pace and less likely to breakdown?
and yet another question. what do you say about moving your swinging hand backwards ala Federer, or moving it more sideways ala Djokovic, Kirgious and even Dimitrov's new serve? i think Rodic was very much in that category as well.
Please can someone tell me if the hips should be pushed out into the court in the trophy pose- both my coaches insist on this but I can’t get used to it and I’m sure lots of great servers don’t
Actually, there is missing perspective in this film. Ot would be great actually to see it from both angles - I miss how far the racquet should be from the body/head in the trophy position. But in the end, great film which helps a lot. Thank you
If a player has a strong continental grip and a clean trophy pose, do they need to be aware of pronation? Is pronation something that just happens automatically if the player gets those two things right, or is it something that still needs to be done intentionally?
Since nobody answered, I will give it a shot. I do not think pronation is natural. If you look at any kid throwing a football they do not pronate. If they become a quarterback they pronate so the last finger on the ball is the index finger to get the spiral. I believe many (non pro) tennis servers pronate but use the wrong combination of muscles. For a RH, take a racquet and hold your arm straight out in front of you with the racquet at 90 degrees (straight up). Lay the racquet down to your right with the face parallel to the ground. This is supination. Now with out moving your arm (much) quickly lay the racquet to your left and parallel to the ground. This is pronation. You should notice some internal shoulder rotation when you do it. This is the same feeling you get when you do the racquet drop (supination) and then pronate to hit the ball. You should notice pros have a sideways tilt when they strike the ball. This is to help the shoulder internal rotation.
What about people who seem to pause or freeze in the trophy position? Is a little ok, or should you over time try to create zero pause in the trophy position?
Jeff mentions many times that you shouldn't, it should be continuous so you don't lose the momentum you build. He says you go slowwww, then GO! The trophy should be a checkpoint rather than a pause.
Thank you for watching. I like a little bit of a pause, as long as it does not stop too much. However, if you feel like you can pause and accelerate, then that's ok. What other type of lessons would you like to see next in our channel? Jeff.
just to be clear about terminology. when you say position, position by definition is something static. even if it is for a very short period of time, if you don't hold it, it is not a position( pose, posture, position... pause is required, all static). in that sense, i'm not interested in positions as such. transitory shapes and setups - very much interested.
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1,5 min into a video and I have to stop you right there. because many of great servers have no such thing as a trophy position. there are players like Zverev who could smoke a cigarette after they reached their TP before actually hitting the ball, but there is Kirgious and many others who delay the swinging arm so, that in the end, it is one fluid motion without any position. they all go through it, but there is no position. what would interest me personally much more is a lesson about proper weight transfer during the serve (front-back-front), proper shoulder turn, proper jump, proper contact point, proper finish, and proper recovery.
Thanks for your feedback Boris, I appreciate it. We'll add your topics request for future videos. We've also got a tennis serve masterclass course that covers all the areas you mentioned. You can learn further details about it here servemasterclass.tennisevolution.com/ts-mc-email-of-v1
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Simply excellent!
Stay in trophy position with eyes closed. It is an excellent tip.
Jeff I like the continuous drill and use it when teaching. For some people it just works as a Habit Breaker. Sometimes I put a ball in the throat to exaggerate the feel of it for the player....so that is just a weighted version of the drill. More excellent tips. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome James. Thank you for watching, I appreciate your comment. Keep up the great work ;)
Jeff.
Outstanding, this serve instruction video, along with your previous one on pronation and the serving on the knees, were as good as it gets
Thank you Jonathan. I appreciate it ;)
Jeff.
Very best lesson on trophy position 👌 especially on half, quarter serve concept. Thanks. In future, would suggest forehand drop shot tips, the last one you did was 7 years ago 😊
Thank you for watching. I appreciate the comment!
Great video! Can't wait to try it out on the court!
Thank you Nils! Look forward to hear how it works once you're able to try it out ;)
Feel free to let us know how we can help you to improve your game off the court.
Jeff.
Thanks Jeff! Your video is eye opening! You nail it! Everytime I try to replicate the trophy position, I get back to my old habit. Greeting from newbie tennis player from Indonesia!
You're welcome! That's awesome and welcome on board!
Thank you Jeff. Concise, unambiguous explanation.
You're welcome Stan.
Thank you.
Thanks. It's what I need.
You're welcome! Awesome, let me know how it works out ;)
Jeff.
as usual, great tips coach. thanks a lot, it's so helpful to improve my game.
Thanks Jeff for the lessons ! Helps a lot
Incredible Jeff❤️
Thank you Maths!
Nice drill regarding serve position , I'm lefty and for me it 's ok ti follow your lessons.
Awesome Adriano. Thanks for watching. What other type of lessons would you like to see next in our channel?
Jeff.
This is one of the best tennis coaching lesson I've ever learn. Excellent Tennis Evolution
Amazing! Thank you Jose. I'm glad you enjoyed this lesson.
Jeff.
Excellent serve trophy position. Thanks
You're welcome James! Thank you for watching.
Jeff.
I tried the balance at the end tip..oh man..it works!! Thanks Jeff!
You're welcome Adnan!
This is so good thank you. My coach is trying to teach me this and I just can not get it but this really helped!
You're welcome Kristina!
thanks for this one. i've been trying to do the trophy serve but just having trouble doing it.
Excellent
I thought I would be thrown off by the instructor being left handed, but this was helpful! I'm going to try the continuous motion without a ball to get familiar with how it's supposed to feel!
Thanks for watching. Let me know how it goes!
You can flip the video if preferred by using the website below
www.mirrorthevideo.com/
This is the best video for trophy posotion and it's drills
Jeff's a great teacher. Thanks :-)
You are welcome!
Thanks JS the 🐐coach :-)
You're welcome! Thanks for your continuous support.
Jeff.
Best video ever seen on tennis
Thank you, appreciate your nice comment!
Hi Jeff, I have been trying to improve my serve by watching your videos. Really like your tips on all of them.
In this video, I have two questions hoping you could clarify them for me.
1. When you toss the ball, does your arm go diagonally inside the court or your arm was parallel to the baseline. I can't really tell from the video angle.
2. At 6:54, you mentioned to keep our weight on the back foot when in the trophy position, could you elaborate on the weight distribution between the two legs? Is it 75% back and 25% front or some other ratios? Thank you in advance for your information.
Excellent teaching!
Thank you Monica!
Reall stuff Jeff...no wonder people call you surve surgeon:)
Thank you Pramod! Let me know how I can help you continue to improve your tennis off the court ;)
Jeff.
Thanks inspiring and motivating
As a beginner, this changed my life
That's awesome to hear Luke! Thank you for watching. .
Another master class.
Trophy position is a stylish name that has stuck, but should be called the "Loaded Position", because that's the point you load both your legs and back...
Whatever the name, as Jeff says: "Find it" -
and then you will find your serve
Hi Jeff, do you have a video where you talk about the knee bend and back bend/arch prior to rising up to contact? Thanks
Hey Dan. I have a good one on the knee bent. Check it out
ruclips.net/video/hAbf6PgLKUY/видео.html
Thank you. Very helpful video.
You're welcome Samarath! Thank you for watching.
Jeff.
Great video Jeff 👍. I noticed the trigger finger on your conti grip and am trying to implement that in my serve. What effect does the gap with the index finger have ?
Thank you Patrick. It allows you to have more feel when you swing the racquet, and it allows you to relax your hand better.
What other type of lessons would you like to see next in our channel?
Jeff.
@@TennisEvolution Thanks for the info Jeff. Definitely going to try and incorporate this into my serve. How about some lessons on doubles movement?
@@pats300zx You're welcome ;) . Let me know how it works. I'll add your topic request for our next videos.
Jeff.
Thanks Jeff, do you have any drill to keep the tossing arm longer? I tend to drop my tossing arm before I even get to my trophy post. Thank you very much!
great video thankyou! Does this mean you would recommend against fully taking the racquet arm back with a straight arm? Currently I take my racquet all the way back with a straight arm & then I eventually bend the elbow to get to a 90 degree angle in the trophy phase.
Can you used 2 camera so we can see your body movement in defferent angle especially Im right handed it help more to follow the movement of the arn and body how far it goes
Thanks for watching. I appreciate your feedback and will continue our best to improve.
Jeff.
Awesome video! I've had serving problems over the years and recently changed it out of frustration to an abbreviated "Jay Berger type" serve. I was surprised how much more consistent my serve has been and it even seemed to have a little more on it. Are there any drawbacks to just keeping the "three Quarters" serve you showed and just have that as your normal serve? Seems pretty compact, good pace and less likely to breakdown?
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and yet another question. what do you say about moving your swinging hand backwards ala Federer, or moving it more sideways ala Djokovic, Kirgious and even Dimitrov's new serve? i think Rodic was very much in that category as well.
Please can someone tell me if the hips should be pushed out into the court in the trophy pose- both my coaches insist on this but I can’t get used to it and I’m sure lots of great servers don’t
Actually, there is missing perspective in this film. Ot would be great actually to see it from both angles - I miss how far the racquet should be from the body/head in the trophy position. But in the end, great film which helps a lot. Thank you
I often feel lower right back pain after serve definitely try trophy post tomorrow practice and not hip much.
Let me know how it goes Chopper.
If a player has a strong continental grip and a clean trophy pose, do they need to be aware of pronation? Is pronation something that just happens automatically if the player gets those two things right, or is it something that still needs to be done intentionally?
Since nobody answered, I will give it a shot. I do not think pronation is natural. If you look at any kid throwing a football they do not pronate. If they become a quarterback they pronate so the last finger on the ball is the index finger to get the spiral. I believe many (non pro) tennis servers pronate but use the wrong combination of muscles. For a RH, take a racquet and hold your arm straight out in front of you with the racquet at 90 degrees (straight up). Lay the racquet down to your right with the face parallel to the ground. This is supination. Now with out moving your arm (much) quickly lay the racquet to your left and parallel to the ground. This is pronation. You should notice some internal shoulder rotation when you do it. This is the same feeling you get when you do the racquet drop (supination) and then pronate to hit the ball. You should notice pros have a sideways tilt when they strike the ball. This is to help the shoulder internal rotation.
What about people who seem to pause or freeze in the trophy position? Is a little ok, or should you over time try to create zero pause in the trophy position?
Jeff mentions many times that you shouldn't, it should be continuous so you don't lose the momentum you build. He says you go slowwww, then GO! The trophy should be a checkpoint rather than a pause.
@@nobody1997 Well said! Thanks for your comment.
Jeff.
Thank you for watching. I like a little bit of a pause, as long as it does not stop too much. However, if you feel like you can pause and accelerate, then that's ok. What other type of lessons would you like to see next in our channel?
Jeff.
You don't need a new fence, just aim for the spot where the wires cross.
Thanks for the input Kevin!
just to be clear about terminology. when you say position, position by definition is something static. even if it is for a very short period of time, if you don't hold it, it is not a position( pose, posture, position... pause is required, all static). in that sense, i'm not interested in positions as such. transitory shapes and setups - very much interested.
Thanks for your comment Boris.
Does Taylor Fritz' serve tick all your boxes of what a great serve should be? Thank-you.
ruclips.net/video/71ztJP8JBbM/видео.html
Floodland99 99 it doesn’t. I’d like his tossing arm to get straighter
@@TennisEvolution Very interesting. Thanks.
That is not easy to achieve for recreational players. Only solution is a new muscle memory and repetition of drills every week.
I agree. It takes consistent practice with the right mindset to make improvement over time.
That’s like many sports. Anything that requires technique needs to be practiced until it feels natural / becomes muscle memory.
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Former Top 100 ATP Pro, Jeff Salzenstein, is exposing the 3 common myths that could be crippling your serve potential. Most players make at least 1 of these 3 mistakes... Do you? bit.ly/2U0M2RS
Your explanation is too disjointed. You jump around in your explanation and are all over the place. OMG!
Terry Parsons cant win ‘em all
1,5 min into a video and I have to stop you right there. because many of great servers have no such thing as a trophy position. there are players like Zverev who could smoke a cigarette after they reached their TP before actually hitting the ball, but there is Kirgious and many others who delay the swinging arm so, that in the end, it is one fluid motion without any position. they all go through it, but there is no position. what would interest me personally much more is a lesson about proper weight transfer during the serve (front-back-front), proper shoulder turn, proper jump, proper contact point, proper finish, and proper recovery.
Thanks for your feedback Boris, I appreciate it. We'll add your topics request for future videos. We've also got a tennis serve masterclass course that covers all the areas you mentioned. You can learn further details about it here
servemasterclass.tennisevolution.com/ts-mc-email-of-v1