isnt this bloody great, the 2024 Snooze de France has nothing on this. Superhuman mutant performances like Riis displayed and a 5 times champion literally dying on his saddle trying to keep up.......enthralling. Nowadays we have the "captivating" Jonas and its not great at all, factor in a 240km sprinter flat stage and its just yawnsville ........viva le drugs.
I mean kind of yeah. I do definitely agree that Riis should be stripped of his title, same as Armstrong. However it is also a bit ignorant to compare the two results given the difference in severity. I mean compaing 4 stage wins (spread over 3 Tours) and 1 yellow jersey to Armstrongs complete domination of the tour for over half a decade, is maybe just a bit much.
His stories recollect how he never really committed himself the same way as his counterparts in training, diet, and psychological preparation. The total polar opposite of Armstrong. So while Ulrich had the vastly superior physiology, it wasn't enough.
Watching this again in 2021, 25 years after Riis, Ulrich, Berzin, Romminger, and Zuelle battled it out in the 1990s "full gas" style, juiced up to their eyeballs, while Armstrong abandons with health problems that will be diagnosed as advanced testicular cancer a few months later....
This is the bottom of cycling. I am myself a danish person but the performance of Bjarne Riis, and average rider at best in 1992, is nothing but inhuman! The year after is 1997 where the monster made in a lab in DDR Jan Ullrich wins with Bjarnes "preparation", but after the festina affair things will start to get better (slowly). Theres still doping in the peloton today obviously, but it can never reach this bottom again
Yes, and to think these riders were also very heavy compared to today. Diet and food intake were secondary things, nobody had any regiment. Everyone just ate whatever. Training was incredibly unstructured compared to today, where most of these euro riders rode only minimal amounts, partying hard off and between seasons. And yet their performances were legendary despite all this. Only points to one reason.
Ullrich was a champion, no matter how he doped. Riis was a donkey who was weak also as a domestique. About food, i know how they ate in an italian team in '97/'98 and It was already extremely scientific, not like today, but still
These uk journalists/commentators have no clue about Cycling. Not about the course, the stages, not about the technical stuff, nor the tactics, they don't know any of the cyclists competing, they don't understand anything. But they are funny sometimes. However most of the time they are Just boring or annoying. I forgive them for at 42:52 they said "Indurain was going for his room service, given intravenously"....eheheh! Sayin this so frankly deserves some respect!
@@mitchrudolph65 What exactly didn't you quite get about my post? Because clearly, you misunderstood in some way or another. Also, don't go around telling people to grow up. You have to raise them.
@@mitchrudolph65 My post was more on the snarky side. Whoever was entertained back then, choosing to not consider the contemporary rumors, and complains in retrospect, should think hard about their value system. ;-)
Know the meaning now.... Let's say everybody could understand everything at that time as well! Never seen a rugby player winning in the alps against superdoped cyclists (some of them real Champions, plus doped, but still champions). Until another rugby player arrived (at 28 already) and crushed everyone. A football player, as Lemond said, not a rugby, sorry...
I remember Sean Yates writing a column for Cycling Weekly at the time of this TDF. He noted Indurain using a bigger gear than normal in the prologue, and how this was somewhat unusual. As if he were labouring a little bit. Little did we know!
Alex Zulle had such a good drug program that year and the year before and I’m not saying that in a negative sense, most of the field was heavily doped.
@@michaelvitiello9960 I see that, but is there evidence? Don't misunderstand, I'm not looking for proof, I know well how to induce my own judgement, but I need more background. Wasn't Riis just better at organizing the best of the best for his team? I xan't belive Indurain would just stop juicing and risk so much. As far as I know he didn't even wanna start in 96. Doesn't strike me as a narcissist like certain later champions.
@@needfoolthings They still couldn't test for epo then, at best they'd check you red cell count and if you had a higher then normal result, they would ban you for 2 weeks till it was average again. I know it was in the 96 year they started doing this but did perfect it till 97-98. I always thought Indurain wanted to see if he could compete without the juice, like Armstrong in 09.
Unfortunately, Lance Armstrong and Johann Bruyneel introduced EPO, blood doping, steroids hormones to cycling in 1999. Prior to 1999, cycling was as clean from doping as horse racing.
What did Anquetil say in the ‘50s? “A cyclist can’t ride 250 days per year on bread and water and Anyone that tells you otherwise isn’t worth listening to”.
All your comments about how these riders used PED's is either a sign of ignorance or hypocrisy. Cycling and PED has been going hand in hand from day one so your comments could have been about about any top level race the past 100 years. And if you claim that it is a problem for you I assume you don't watch professional sports except for darts and curling. Of course PED is wrong but let's not pretend we are surprised.
So good to hear Phil Liggets voice
Just waiting to hear him say
" His face a picture of pain "
Literally the voice of Cycling.
isnt this bloody great, the 2024 Snooze de France has nothing on this. Superhuman mutant performances like Riis displayed and a 5 times champion literally dying on his saddle trying to keep up.......enthralling. Nowadays we have the "captivating" Jonas and its not great at all, factor in a 240km sprinter flat stage and its just yawnsville ........viva le drugs.
So Riis keeps this win but Armstrong does not? What a joke.
I mean kind of yeah.
I do definitely agree that Riis should be stripped of his title, same as Armstrong. However it is also a bit ignorant to compare the two results given the difference in severity. I mean compaing 4 stage wins (spread over 3 Tours) and 1 yellow jersey to Armstrongs complete domination of the tour for over half a decade, is maybe just a bit much.
Ullrich was a beast at 21. Shame he came into the sport when it was rife with EPO
Why’s that?
@@freebird61885 Outside of Greg LeMond he was probably the most gifted cyclist in the last 30 years.
@user-mc3kp2mq1m Yeah Lemond 👍
imagine ullrich with a offseason and discipline of armstrong
His stories recollect how he never really committed himself the same way as his counterparts in training, diet, and psychological preparation. The total polar opposite of Armstrong. So while Ulrich had the vastly superior physiology, it wasn't enough.
Watching this again in 2021, 25 years after Riis, Ulrich, Berzin, Romminger, and Zuelle battled it out in the 1990s "full gas" style, juiced up to their eyeballs, while Armstrong abandons with health problems that will be diagnosed as advanced testicular cancer a few months later....
This is the bottom of cycling. I am myself a danish person but the performance of Bjarne Riis, and average rider at best in 1992, is nothing but inhuman! The year after is 1997 where the monster made in a lab in DDR Jan Ullrich wins with Bjarnes "preparation", but after the festina affair things will start to get better (slowly). Theres still doping in the peloton today obviously, but it can never reach this bottom again
Yes, and to think these riders were also very heavy compared to today. Diet and food intake were secondary things, nobody had any regiment. Everyone just ate whatever. Training was incredibly unstructured compared to today, where most of these euro riders rode only minimal amounts, partying hard off and between seasons. And yet their performances were legendary despite all this. Only points to one reason.
Ullrich was a champion, no matter how he doped. Riis was a donkey who was weak also as a domestique.
About food, i know how they ate in an italian team in '97/'98 and It was already extremely scientific, not like today, but still
42:45 lmao
A blind person could tell BR was on something 1:43:45
These uk journalists/commentators have no clue about Cycling. Not about the course, the stages, not about the technical stuff, nor the tactics, they don't know any of the cyclists competing, they don't understand anything.
But they are funny sometimes. However most of the time they are Just boring or annoying.
I forgive them for at 42:52 they said "Indurain was going for his room service, given intravenously"....eheheh! Sayin this so frankly deserves some respect!
51:35 or it was until today
Imlach on Indurain... "Mig had opted for room service... probably delivered intravenously..."
He really said that, didn't he?
Then he totally monsters the Time Trial the next day, so...Gary was probably spot on 🤣
Yeah that DB who says he's from Austin. Good try boys as usual.
54:50 100% commitment from every Telekom team member. We know the full meaning of that now.
@@mitchrudolph65 What exactly didn't you quite get about my post? Because clearly, you misunderstood in some way or another. Also, don't go around telling people to grow up. You have to raise them.
@@mitchrudolph65 My post was more on the snarky side. Whoever was entertained back then, choosing to not consider the contemporary rumors, and complains in retrospect, should think hard about their value system. ;-)
1:51:51
Know the meaning now.... Let's say everybody could understand everything at that time as well! Never seen a rugby player winning in the alps against superdoped cyclists (some of them real Champions, plus doped, but still champions). Until another rugby player arrived (at 28 already) and crushed everyone. A football player, as Lemond said, not a rugby, sorry...
I just watch to listen to Phil Ligetts voice.
1:43:20 most Australian guy I've ever seen.
1:43:45 most epo guy ive ever seen
Australian Andy
I remember Sean Yates writing a column for Cycling Weekly at the time of this TDF. He noted Indurain using a bigger gear than normal in the prologue, and how this was somewhat unusual. As if he were labouring a little bit. Little did we know!
1992 Giro d’Italia or 2002 Paris roubaix
The pinnacle of chemical engineering plus pharmacology... spectacular isn't?😝😝😝
Alex Zulle had such a good drug program that year and the year before and I’m not saying that in a negative sense, most of the field was heavily doped.
First tfd indurain ran clean.
You think he was clean here?
@@needfoolthings he won the previous 5 tours, easily. This one he didn't even compete
@@michaelvitiello9960 I see that, but is there evidence? Don't misunderstand, I'm not looking for proof, I know well how to induce my own judgement, but I need more background. Wasn't Riis just better at organizing the best of the best for his team? I xan't belive Indurain would just stop juicing and risk so much. As far as I know he didn't even wanna start in 96. Doesn't strike me as a narcissist like certain later champions.
@@needfoolthings They still couldn't test for epo then, at best they'd check you red cell count and if you had a higher then normal result, they would ban you for 2 weeks till it was average again. I know it was in the 96 year they started doing this but did perfect it till 97-98. I always thought Indurain wanted to see if he could compete without the juice, like Armstrong in 09.
Interesting. Then he said nope and went away... The problems he had during those times with some team officials fits the story.
Unfortunately, Lance Armstrong and Johann Bruyneel introduced EPO, blood doping, steroids hormones to cycling in 1999. Prior to 1999, cycling was as clean from doping as horse racing.
What did Anquetil say in the ‘50s? “A cyclist can’t ride 250 days per year on bread and water and Anyone that tells you otherwise isn’t worth listening to”.
They industrialised it, which is why that period was so juiced up. They also grassed up other doped competitors.
Almost every single rider in the top three in the TDF between 1996-2010 has been suspended for doping or admitted to doping. @uberkloden
All your comments about how these riders used PED's is either a sign of ignorance or hypocrisy. Cycling and PED has been going hand in hand from day one so your comments could have been about about any top level race the past 100 years. And if you claim that it is a problem for you I assume you don't watch professional sports except for darts and curling. Of course PED is wrong but let's not pretend we are surprised.