@@meowpurpur because they were invented as a spirit/God and was believed so much that they became real. Also the play was probably based on kindred as a spirit wouldn't be like that. For all I know they now exist as a spirit/God
@@Finn14029 but wouldn't the vulture be stronger? What about all the other masks the lady handed out? Would they be other deaths as powerful or more so? It really feels like this one card set has made kindred, a champ with arguably the strongest lore and design, look weak.
Riot's world building is honestly one of the best in the game industry. I know it's still incomplete and has a lot of holes but the diversity, mythology, and the whole world itself have so many potential.
I don't know why but everytime I play with kindred they are like out of this world much more skilled then other players even when I play with them I just watch with respect
I think that when Tarnold said he has seen the end of Soates’ story, he didn’t mean that the masks she wore and then he took were connected or anything, I think the end of the story was death, and that’s what he described as „beautiful” before he vanished
i thought of the same thing, also i dont think kindred are "strong" beacuse ppl believe in them. They were called spirits by the humans. They only know to describe these entities as "spirits". Doesnt really mean they are actual spirits like Janna for example. In the end what Necrit said could be 0% or 100% true, since as he said the story was made to be vague.
@@GabrielCarvvWait, I'm not sure Volibear and Seal sister are uh... spirits. i knew from some lore or something that they were demigods of sorts. And uh yeah ik the reply is quite very late
I'd personally like to see the old vid redone, it's still a really cool aspect of lore that I think is worth highlighting, maybe even moreso now that we have more info.
The whole community when they saw kindred card : are those new gods of deaths Necrit : nooo that's too obvious it must be a new vastaya race, worshipping death Necrit aftre 10 tweets from a Rioter and a new kindered story : oh crap I was too far away outside the box
i want to mention that the fading icon has a voice line to kindred saying "I was feared once, just as you are now" and wolf responding with "what is that?". I think it confirms that the fading icon was replaced by kindred in some way.
Ohhhh, what if the reason the mask mother isn't forgotten is because she keeps switching "hosts". So maybe she finds memorable people to merge with so that her spirit isn't fully forgotten?
I think the ending with Kindred killing each other is so sad. They became each other's identity to kill them, with Wolf using one of Lamb's arrows and Lamb using the Wolf's more... crude methods of killing.
@@SlippyLegJones Which is ironic considering it might just be the most powerful being in the lore and the last being that remains when the universe comes to an end. It doesn't even need people believing in it, that's how powerful it is.
The new line that was written into the story could signify that the end of the story is not for the living to see. But for the dying or the dead. As those who wore the masks are now dead. Might the ending to the story just be death itself?
If we assume that the position the audience can see at the end is indeed the ending of the last scene, then the end of the play would really be.... the ultimate death. The death of death itself.
This screams of inspiration from Robert Chambers' "The King in Yellow". You have strange beings and worlds not understood by mortals being elaborated upon through subtle and surreal theatre involving masks, a play that no one knows the ending to, but supposedly reveals irresistible yet horrific truths to whoever reads/watches it, a protagonist who seeks this knowledge and disappears as a result, and the attention of these supernatural beings being drawn to the protagonist as a result of their obsession leading them to delve too deep. The ending of the first part is even possibly a rendition of the most infamous climax of "The King in Yellow", which goes as follows: Camilla: "You, sir, should unmask." Stranger: "Indeed?" Cassilda: "Indeed it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you." Stranger: "I wear no mask." Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) "No mask? No mask!" Tarnold is terrified as Camilla is in this scene, but also euphoric. It's an eldritch scene, where he finally has the knowledge he sought, but at a high cost, as he realizes he must be undone to know it. Just as no one can see "The King in Yellow" and live due to having seen beyond the King's "mask", no one without a mask (having died) can witness the finality of Soates' masterpiece, as she was merely the one who transcribed it, while the real writer is Death itself, Kindred and the other spirits accompanying them.
There's a Reddit thread about this story from 2 years ago. Someone asked if the story was inspired by The Kind in Yellow and the author of Kindred and all of their stories confirmed it
Hey, don't feel embarrassed about the mask mother video, it was really well done and full of interesting ideas and theories, just because your theories where a little off doesn't mean they weren't well put together, thought out ideas that made for some fun speculations!! Love your vids btw
As good as this story is, and as much as I love kindred, I really liked the idea of Kindred being THE death and this story feels like a "power nerf" for lack of a better term.
Exactly what i thought. I also hate that lamb and wolf kill each other when there's no one left to die, it's just so predictable and melodramatic to me. At least I'm pretty good at ignoring canon so that's what I'm gonna do
First Spirit Blossom, then LoR, the other day buffs and a short story, now I get to hear my boy Necrit talk about said lore. God I love Kindred so much and it feels like I'm being spoiled. A criminally underrated champion.
Ya, Jhin and Kindred have enough dialogue intrigues that there’s clearly supposed to be a connection there. Fan theory is that Jhin was the stage hand in the first Kindred story.
Don't feel ashamed, we all make calls that end up wrong, treat it like a theory video, no need to take down hard work just because of speculation proven wrong
So kindred and wolf would remember each other, causing the vulture to starve. As the fading icon card wants even spirits to remember it. The ancient Shuriman death god.
If you do decide to remove the old Kindred video, please just don’t leave it. I am of the opinion that Kindred has really good lore and even thought the first one was wrong, it still deserves a look over and you do this really well. Don’t be discouraged. You got this.
Imagine making something so universally liked and entertaining that some other people that aren't even part of the company or anything, like have nothing to do with what you did, can some way make a living off spending their free time talking about the things you made. Impressive.
I think Kindred is a perfect example of a question that doesn't need an answer. We are given a vague story of their past, and how they came to be, but nothing more than that. I genuinely dislike how they are answering more of the mystery surrounding Kindred. I much prefer it be a mystery. There are just some things that shouldn't be answered.
in the very end, death is eternal until nobody is alive to be claimed by death. The Kindred is of a tale spoken in many countries and factions. Just like Ionia's depiction of death is very different from other countries (a child wearing a mask, together with her wolf, playing around in the forests until duty calls), but the base 'foundation' of such tales stay the same; always two, always together. Therefore I think the tale of The Kindred can be dug so deep, it's endless. Many people may have rewritten such stories with their own 'witnesses'. A legend spoken of over and over to be constructed further and different from past ones. Yet death remains eternal, until forgotten. But in the universe of Runeterra, death has a face (or two). And they will always be the Kindred until the very end of existence.
You think that Lady Eryn was Leblanc playing her games? Possible, but not very likely. What business would she have in sabotaging a play about kindred? Do you think that she wanted the World to forget about Soates/kindred/mask mother so that she herself could stay alive? I honestly thought that kindred would be a valuable ally in her strive to stop mordekaiser. It would make no sense for LeBlanc to sabotage that play.
I am so happy to see more lore about my second favorite duo champion! And also, please don't , please don't remove that video, it is still good, and it is a theory, so just don't, it is good!
I would love to see riot make an actual play based on the play mentioned in this story. With good actors, props, writing, and cinematography the play they make would be so cool to watch.
I made my own theory at the time the story was released and I am so happy me and Necrit got to the same conclusion! Well, I only got the part about the second death, and how the lady was the mask mother, and the Etherfiend being the ultimate death and whatnot. I didn't get the other details that our local genius here got xD
Imagine if it was revealed that Jhin put on one of the masks but it malfunctioned somehow, so instead of the whole "sheparding souls" idea, he forces people into being souls by killing them. To be clear I don't actually want this to happen because I love Jhin so so much the way he is now, but just imagine.
@@happypepper9326 The aspects of Targon are inspirations to Runeterra. If anybody was wondering, the Kindred affect Runeterra, not the celestial realm.
It was an enjoyably video regardless. You should change the title to say "LOR Fan Theory" or something and maybe add a prelude that explains the inaccuracy of the video. It would be a waste to lose the video after all the work you put into it!
Very professional of you not to remove the old video. I appreciate it because even when you are wrong I love to hear your opinions and when you're able to correct yourself I really enjoy listening along.
Coming back to it: those death spirits like the mask mother and the fading icon have a grey tinted skin, the "pale man" or "grey man" fits a similar description.
I love this Content! you showed me how cool lore is and now im into it! (my favorit lore is from shurima to be exact azir) Edit: btw as a Bard main i loved the Bard video u died i watched the whole thing ( i dont have a live)
Theory: the spirits disappearing in the purgatory mordekaiser went to after his original death were being "eaten" by the vulture as they were completely forgotten. Mordekaiser, because of his conquest during life and by virtue of really, really wanting to continue existing, resisted the vulture and was able to finagle his way back to the realm of the living. His subsequent conquest guaranteed his continuing existence because now he'll never be forgotten.
Most likely. What I don't understand it's why there are two different entities of death coexisting. I'm.not talking about Wolf and Lamb since they are pretty much one, but Kindred and the fading idol. This idol is almost forgotten but it's like still "there" while kindred is very active doing reaper things. How Grey Man/Kindred replaced that idol in the first place? Or this idol isn't a reaper but an idol for another things entirely? That's what's confusing to me more than mask mother and vulture.
So wait, if everyone just becomes immortal, or undying. Like let's say the ruination takes over all of runeterra, then in theory what Necrit is saying could happen. Death becomes a far away concept, and all death spirits like kindred loose all belief in them, then they hunt each other, and are forgotten then they are preyed upon by the vulture, who for the time being would be the strongest of the death spirits by far. Until he runs out of prey and is forgotten himself. This technically means that the ruination is a direct threat to kindred. Which means that maybe if veigo goes too far in his quest to find his wife, kindred or some other death spirits might step in to stop him from ruining all of runeterra.
I love the idea that they have the same mechanic as the Gods of Freljord, as long as someone remembers them they exist .The more people remembers them, the more powerful they are. The only difference is they are devoured by the Etherfiend when they are forgotten. I just love the idea that even gods/icons of deaths have their own version of "Death".
A cool thing about it also Gameplay for the Mask mother since when she is played she kills and get the stats and Keywords (overwhelm, Challenger etc) Added to her Wich seems like a cool detail
I believe Soates met kindred in some sort of death she came back from, and told the story as she saw it. In the story “all kindreds eves” there is a story teller who scuffs the “pale man split himself in two” story and wolf says he isn’t familiar with this telling, kindred remarks “a tale throughout time is tainted by each tongue that tells it [...] we know a truer story of which this faint dramaturgy projects only shadow.” This leads me to believe that the kindred are the most believed incarnation of death in runetera so they are the form “death” takes. Similar to how Evelyn was “born” from human suffering from a simple dark spirit, kindred was “born” when Soates popularized their physical form. This would also explain why in dialogue when the mask mother asks “do you know my name” to lamb and wolf they respond “mother” because Soates was the person who brought the kindred from being an omnipotent being with no form in the world, to lamb and wolf. This would also explain how kindred’s spirit blossom skin is cannon in runeterra because it is simply how Ionia’s stories and fables about the kindred allow them to incarnate into that form while staying largely the same to the original lamb and wolf as the Ionian perception of lamb and wolf is derived from the original story. Just my thoughts since I don’t believe they are spirits from my interpretation.
This sounds like the backstory for Jinn (new to LoL, haven't read his official story) The themes of theater and admiration for art seem very fitting for each other
You should keep the video about the Mask Mother up, since it's interesting to watch, and even if it's wrong, I liked where you were going with the video. If you do decide to keep it up, I suggest putting in the description a disclaimer about how it's been disproven, or refer them to this video.
20:30 It may also reference the short story forest for the trees. Lamb says in the last line that she would never run from Wolf. And since Lamb hunts the ones who accept death, she would be killed by her own weapon. As for Lamb strangling Wolf, it might be because one can't live without the other.
Absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about being wrong once in a while. Impossible not to when trying to figure stuff out like this. Would love if you remade it accurately!
@@est_halley Thank you. I actually just went and looked up Kindred's interactions in Legends of Runeterra and the one they have with the vulture implies that wolf would fight the vulture. However I think that when the time comes wolf would feel the inevitability but lamb wouldn't, thus try to fight death.
I think there might be a connection to lillia here. The mask sprouts along with its tree despite being separate. Similar to lillia. There is also a thematic link between sleep and death.
Damn I'm late on this, but if i remember spirit blossom correct kindred acts only as a sort of guide. They take people's spirit into the spirit realm or similar. So maybe in order to pass on you must be guided there by a spirit. This leads to groups producing there own 'death gods' kindred being the most popular and therefore, powerful. Maybe when a spirit takes up the role of a death guide it gets recognised by the mask mother who grants it a mask for whatever reason. As for the etherfiend when no one is left to die or maintain a death spirit they themselves must pass. So the mother created the fiend, a spirit to bring the end to 'death' itself.
This alludes to the theory that Wolf and Lamb must destroy each other (or at least deal with each other) at the end of their story as well. This emphasis also appeared in their classic lore and Spirit Blossoms as well, since Wolf is always seen to be drooling at Lamb, wanting to eat her, whilst Lamb wants to hunt Wolf down. I've always thought that it's weird that only Lamb has the human form whilst Wolf is just a mist, but now I understand that it's to balance things out and keep Lamb on her feet and equal to Wolf. (It shouldn't be just Predator and Prey, but rather Predator and Hunter). Also, I assume that the two were never really "born" at the same time, it seems that Wolf is older and more primal than Lamb, which also fits well because before advancement in civilization, every world must experience struggle for survival in the wildlife more than having a satisfying death, which is a relatively late concept for intelligent lifeforms.
The kindred and the mask mother, kindred is my favorite set of champions simply because her lore is ACTUALLY complex and breathtaking rather than "sword go brr"
Dude this is awesome, Kindred Stuff it's absolutely the most complex and mysterious Lore of this game, it's so complex it makes me wanna ear story's of Kindred before I go to Sleep, becouse they are beautiful and they represent Death as a totally diferent concept of the normal Horror Death Story's, and now I think of this could be Khada Jhin a 'Fan' or maybe it may follow the spirit legends of Death, and he uses a Mask, he is other one that sees Death as Peace of Art, and he is a Artist that shows the Death of the World, maybe he thinks that if he has a mask he can bring more people to belive in the Kindred, to make them more strong as a Spirit, Jhin can be so related to Kindred in this point of View! Awesome Riot GoodJob 👌
I see a theory here. The goal of the darkin is to eliminate life so that maybe they may also die, theoretically if an unkillable being were to kill all life, death itself would cease and the so would everything. Could they be planning to actually have the villians win in runeterra? If so, sick.
I'm guessing also that the mask mother represents a "second life" threw being remembered, only makes sense that the mask mother is a equal and opposite to the vulture much as lamb is to wolf, a pair of pairs, just feels like it fits with the feel of the death spirits.
I was really exited when I heard "mother tree" because we might actually see Lilia in the lore more, but as the video continued I sadly wont think we will see her soon :(
I've said before but I'll say it again: Riot needs to make an audio of kindred telling their stories.
Like the Bilgewater stories
I didn't know this was something I wanted until you said now I need it
Kindred alone could be a entire series
@@A.P.O.L.L.O yes thats would absolutly amazing. And good for insomnia
The duality alone is amazing necause you automatically get 2 different perspectives
The Mask mother slowly being forgotten makes perfect sense, she asked Kindred if they still remeber her name, because she knows she is fading away.
Also, kindred is one of the most popular ones, so it makes sense why it's with them specifically
"Mother" they respond
If kindred is now "just a character in a story" why are they even a champ now?
@@meowpurpur because they were invented as a spirit/God and was believed so much that they became real.
Also the play was probably based on kindred as a spirit wouldn't be like that.
For all I know they now exist as a spirit/God
@@Finn14029 but wouldn't the vulture be stronger? What about all the other masks the lady handed out? Would they be other deaths as powerful or more so?
It really feels like this one card set has made kindred, a champ with arguably the strongest lore and design, look weak.
Even if you take down the video, Pepperidge Farm remembers
XD
Pepperidge always does
Just got of the phone with my cuz memberberry and he said he members too
This Is a weak and pathetic card,must be in yugi's deck
Does that apply to the Czechs?
Riot's world building is honestly one of the best in the game industry. I know it's still incomplete and has a lot of holes but the diversity, mythology, and the whole world itself have so many potential.
Yeah I cant name one company that does that better than them
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I honestly feel that many contemporary fictional worlds will be as known as ancient mythologies sometime in the far future
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 Warhammer 40k
@@cjcatague2607 this comment is makes so much sense
I love Kindred's lore/ stories about Kindred.
She has my favorite lore in league
I love kindred. She was kinda broken on release tho
The mystique and ambiguity around their stories are so... sumptuous!
@@MoonDisast Yes! It makes you explore such a dark but melancholic emotion, so instrinsically beautiful. The work Riot does is surreal.
@@elementalwaterangel5451 They're buffing her next patch! :D
Kindred has always been one of my fav characters in the universe
just love'em so damn much
I don't know why but everytime I play with kindred they are like out of this world much more skilled then other players even when I play with them I just watch with respect
Now if only they could add Kayle to LOR so I can play both my favourites together
@@windigo1592 bec playing kindred is a feeling and not skill,we are just a tool they move for them self
Like a painting
@@RimuruTempest_ that's actualy a badass comment
I like to imagine Lamb, Wolf, Vulture, and Mask Mother just show up at plays and posses people like some sort of drama club every week.
I think that when Tarnold said he has seen the end of Soates’ story, he didn’t mean that the masks she wore and then he took were connected or anything, I think the end of the story was death, and that’s what he described as „beautiful” before he vanished
i thought of the same thing, also i dont think kindred are "strong" beacuse ppl believe in them.
They were called spirits by the humans. They only know to describe these entities as "spirits". Doesnt really mean they are actual spirits like Janna for example. In the end what Necrit said could be 0% or 100% true, since as he said the story was made to be vague.
@@konakop5384 They are spirit gods. Ornn, Volibear, Janna, Rammus, Iron Boar, Seal Sister, Nagakabouros: all spirit gods.
@@GabrielCarvv, I think Rammus isn't a spirit.
@@GabrielCarvvWait, I'm not sure Volibear and Seal sister are uh... spirits. i knew from some lore or something that they were demigods of sorts. And uh yeah ik the reply is quite very late
Creature with humanoid arms: exists
Necrit: Is this a vastaya?
I mean Vastaya is a very loose and broad term in terms of what they are, so yeah I don't really blame him if he thinks that it's Vastaya.
I wondered why watcher had human arms?
But Necrit already explained why in a previous video
VASWTAYA???!~
@@MelonRoulette VASTAYA`H`H`H OS ORSTIGED`DD~2WHO IS THIS TRHAT TGUIS WHEN WHICH`HH THIN`N`NE`EE SEEK`KK`
@@danmaproductions8208 NECRIT!*NECRIT!* NECRIT!!!*!!~
I'd personally like to see the old vid redone, it's still a really cool aspect of lore that I think is worth highlighting, maybe even moreso now that we have more info.
The masks are like shinigamis, the mother creates them with people's believes, and when they are forgotten, the vulture eats and vanish them.
And grey man died because he wanted a family
Shinigami is the japanese god of death
THE MASKS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR THE VOID FOX GOD KING~
@@chosenofkhorne2951 THE GREY MAN DIED`DD~ BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHYING LEFT TO HIM~ HE DEAFEATED`DD EVERYONE~INCLUDING THE DEVIL AND HIS ARMTYII~
@@liddumananayo1070 SHINIGAMI SERVEVVE` KINDRED`D`~
"everyone must wear a mask"
Hits different nowadays lmao
If Kindred can wear a mask, so can you!
*walks around the grocery store in a faded wooden half-chopped-off mask resembling the visage of a lamb*
As Jhin says, "Everyone wears a mask, i just chose to create my own".
@@girouarddolivier2049 With jhin being someone who cause death this becomes very sus 😳
@@zagiproductions1630 cool
The whole community when they saw kindred card : are those new gods of deaths
Necrit : nooo that's too obvious it must be a new vastaya race, worshipping death
Necrit aftre 10 tweets from a Rioter and a new kindered story : oh crap I was too far away outside the box
D:
Necrit tought of a clever way to integrate these new beings in the lore, Riot said fuck it and retconned and overcomplicated it once again.
*Kindred
@@Slash766 kindred isnt that bad in lower elo
@@mesaru2185 overcomplicated means you can always add more stories
i want to mention that the fading icon has a voice line to kindred saying "I was feared once, just as you are now" and wolf responding with "what is that?". I think it confirms that the fading icon was replaced by kindred in some way.
Ohhhh, what if the reason the mask mother isn't forgotten is because she keeps switching "hosts". So maybe she finds memorable people to merge with so that her spirit isn't fully forgotten?
*maybe*
Would make sense I suppose.
"Fight your shame, we be humans we all make mistake"(in a wow troll voice)
Kinda ironic since trolls aren't humans
Don’t you mean jamaican accent?
Necrit, Ezreal note 9# shows that ezreal is looking for the masks in the SAME THEATER
Me: *not into poetry and teather in general*
Also me after seeing everything related to Kindred: Maybe, I was lying to myself....
So beautiful.
honestly i wouldn't mid that video being taken down. will probably just end up confusing people getting into the lore with conflicting information
I think the ending with Kindred killing each other is so sad. They became each other's identity to kill them, with Wolf using one of Lamb's arrows and Lamb using the Wolf's more... crude methods of killing.
The Mask Mother doesn't necessarily need to be on the shadow isles, she could very well be like Kindred, everywhere. We don't know.
What I thought as well, they're set to SI because of gameplay mechanics.
I so badly want another champion to come out of this, mask mother or the vulture. It's some of my favourite lore.
or a Demacian champion with quotes for them
The Etherfiend would be such an amazing champion, but sadly I doubt we will actually get it as a champ.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 Same, it's built like a side-character unfortunately :(
@@SlippyLegJones Which is ironic considering it might just be the most powerful being in the lore and the last being that remains when the universe comes to an end. It doesn't even need people believing in it, that's how powerful it is.
The new line that was written into the story could signify that the end of the story is not for the living to see. But for the dying or the dead. As those who wore the masks are now dead. Might the ending to the story just be death itself?
Nice! I think you're right
If we assume that the position the audience can see at the end is indeed the ending of the last scene, then the end of the play would really be.... the ultimate death. The death of death itself.
I get huge Ori and the Blind Forest Vibes whenever I see Kindred, the Mask Mother, and the Vulture.
A combo of Ori and Hollow Knight
"You must remember me, little one! You must!"
who says that? is that in LOR?
@@konakop5384 the forgotten idol
@@konakop5384 the fadng icon
Kindred lore is so good this is still my favourite lore and it just got so much better
This screams of inspiration from Robert Chambers' "The King in Yellow". You have strange beings and worlds not understood by mortals being elaborated upon through subtle and surreal theatre involving masks, a play that no one knows the ending to, but supposedly reveals irresistible yet horrific truths to whoever reads/watches it, a protagonist who seeks this knowledge and disappears as a result, and the attention of these supernatural beings being drawn to the protagonist as a result of their obsession leading them to delve too deep. The ending of the first part is even possibly a rendition of the most infamous climax of "The King in Yellow", which goes as follows:
Camilla: "You, sir, should unmask."
Stranger: "Indeed?"
Cassilda: "Indeed it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you."
Stranger: "I wear no mask."
Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) "No mask? No mask!"
Tarnold is terrified as Camilla is in this scene, but also euphoric. It's an eldritch scene, where he finally has the knowledge he sought, but at a high cost, as he realizes he must be undone to know it. Just as no one can see "The King in Yellow" and live due to having seen beyond the King's "mask", no one without a mask (having died) can witness the finality of Soates' masterpiece, as she was merely the one who transcribed it, while the real writer is Death itself, Kindred and the other spirits accompanying them.
There's a Reddit thread about this story from 2 years ago. Someone asked if the story was inspired by The Kind in Yellow and the author of Kindred and all of their stories confirmed it
I like how every new release with Kindred has been a proper Gothic story. The writers have done so well with each one!
Hey, don't feel embarrassed about the mask mother video, it was really well done and full of interesting ideas and theories, just because your theories where a little off doesn't mean they weren't well put together, thought out ideas that made for some fun speculations!! Love your vids btw
As good as this story is, and as much as I love kindred, I really liked the idea of Kindred being THE death and this story feels like a "power nerf" for lack of a better term.
Exactly what i thought. I also hate that lamb and wolf kill each other when there's no one left to die, it's just so predictable and melodramatic to me. At least I'm pretty good at ignoring canon so that's what I'm gonna do
Same here, let’s hope they make this part non cannon
What if the Gray Man is one of the ”ten Great Kings” that Fiddlesticks speaks of?
doubtful, hes referencing other demons not spirits.
First Spirit Blossom, then LoR, the other day buffs and a short story, now I get to hear my boy Necrit talk about said lore. God I love Kindred so much and it feels like I'm being spoiled. A criminally underrated champion.
16:20 Doesn't jhin have a quote about this?
"Everyone wears a mask... i just chose to create my own."
Ya, Jhin and Kindred have enough dialogue intrigues that there’s clearly supposed to be a connection there. Fan theory is that Jhin was the stage hand in the first Kindred story.
Don't feel ashamed, we all make calls that end up wrong, treat it like a theory video, no need to take down hard work just because of speculation proven wrong
Tbf it was a guess out of pre-release descriptions ,so it would be nice if you revisited the video
So kindred and wolf would remember each other, causing the vulture to starve. As the fading icon card wants even spirits to remember it. The ancient Shuriman death god.
If you do decide to remove the old Kindred video, please just don’t leave it. I am of the opinion that Kindred has really good lore and even thought the first one was wrong, it still deserves a look over and you do this really well. Don’t be discouraged. You got this.
Imagine making something so universally liked and entertaining that some other people that aren't even part of the company or anything, like have nothing to do with what you did, can some way make a living off spending their free time talking about the things you made. Impressive.
as we wait for isolde getting some death lore is nice
I think Kindred is a perfect example of a question that doesn't need an answer. We are given a vague story of their past, and how they came to be, but nothing more than that.
I genuinely dislike how they are answering more of the mystery surrounding Kindred. I much prefer it be a mystery. There are just some things that shouldn't be answered.
Totally agree
Agreed.
in the very end, death is eternal until nobody is alive to be claimed by death. The Kindred is of a tale spoken in many countries and factions. Just like Ionia's depiction of death is very different from other countries (a child wearing a mask, together with her wolf, playing around in the forests until duty calls), but the base 'foundation' of such tales stay the same; always two, always together. Therefore I think the tale of The Kindred can be dug so deep, it's endless. Many people may have rewritten such stories with their own 'witnesses'. A legend spoken of over and over to be constructed further and different from past ones.
Yet death remains eternal, until forgotten. But in the universe of Runeterra, death has a face (or two). And they will always be the Kindred until the very end of existence.
I wanna put it out there that the stage was covered in black (stemmed) roses.
I think I am a bit too invested in the LeBlanc Stories.
You think that Lady Eryn was Leblanc playing her games? Possible, but not very likely. What business would she have in sabotaging a play about kindred? Do you think that she wanted the World to forget about Soates/kindred/mask mother so that she herself could stay alive? I honestly thought that kindred would be a valuable ally in her strive to stop mordekaiser. It would make no sense for LeBlanc to sabotage that play.
i like your voice lore speaking giving light to those who dont bother reading or dont get chance too.
I am so happy to see more lore about my second favorite duo champion!
And also, please don't , please don't remove that video, it is still good, and it is a theory, so just don't, it is good!
Thank you for the bed story.
It's time to sleep,
Good night everyone.
02:10 am
Good night to you.
4:07 am
Good night to you
6:25 AM
Good night
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Good Night 7:26 PM lmao
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What if Isolde is the masked mother and Riot throws a massive curveball at us
Thank god this turned out to not be the case.
Necrit: uploads Kindred lore video
Me: *MY NAME IS BARRY ALLEN AND IM THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE*
I would love to see riot make an actual play based on the play mentioned in this story. With good actors, props, writing, and cinematography the play they make would be so cool to watch.
I think the story has something lovecraftian, beautiful
I made my own theory at the time the story was released and I am so happy me and Necrit got to the same conclusion! Well, I only got the part about the second death, and how the lady was the mask mother, and the Etherfiend being the ultimate death and whatnot. I didn't get the other details that our local genius here got xD
With the mask that blooms with its mother tree, I can’t help but wonder if that has any connections to Lillia and her Mother Tree
Imagine if it was revealed that Jhin put on one of the masks but it malfunctioned somehow, so instead of the whole "sheparding souls" idea, he forces people into being souls by killing them. To be clear I don't actually want this to happen because I love Jhin so so much the way he is now, but just imagine.
I still couldn't understand pretty much anything 😭 I want a lore writer to say "Kindred is this, maskmother is that" I can't handle the unknown 😭✋
considering we don't even understand what death is irl, death being vague here isn't really surprising.
@@happypepper9326 The aspects of Targon are inspirations to Runeterra. If anybody was wondering, the Kindred affect Runeterra, not the celestial realm.
@@happypepper9326 Nope! Spirit gods are bound to Runeterra, much like other spirits or people.
@@Geheimnis-c2e we know what death is irl. We just don't know what happens "after"
@@Geheimnis-c2e I actually prefer when it was more vague, when we only knew of kindred and the grey man
This was perhaps my most favorite story of Kindred. It was so eerie and I loved it.
Everybody is sometimes wrong about a theory. These things happen and I really enjoyed your video about the maskmother, thoug it is wrong
Please leave the old video up I like the speculation about the cards even if it is wrong it’s still fun to watch and rewatch
It was an enjoyably video regardless. You should change the title to say "LOR Fan Theory" or something and maybe add a prelude that explains the inaccuracy of the video. It would be a waste to lose the video after all the work you put into it!
Agreed!
100% agree
Very professional of you not to remove the old video. I appreciate it because even when you are wrong I love to hear your opinions and when you're able to correct yourself I really enjoy listening along.
Coming back to it: those death spirits like the mask mother and the fading icon have a grey tinted skin, the "pale man" or "grey man" fits a similar description.
I love this Content! you showed me how cool lore is and now im into it! (my favorit lore is from shurima to be exact azir)
Edit: btw as a Bard main i loved the Bard video u died i watched the whole thing ( i dont have a live)
I honestly did not think kindred would get much lore this year with viego but im really happy they are
Theory: the spirits disappearing in the purgatory mordekaiser went to after his original death were being "eaten" by the vulture as they were completely forgotten. Mordekaiser, because of his conquest during life and by virtue of really, really wanting to continue existing, resisted the vulture and was able to finagle his way back to the realm of the living. His subsequent conquest guaranteed his continuing existence because now he'll never be forgotten.
As long as LeBlanc lives, Morde will never be forgotten
The music of Revendreth and Durstvar fit perfectly here.
Damn, Necrit. You know how to set the mood :)
Unlucky for you, I did watch the mask mother video
i will always remember it
19:00 why do i remember jhin when i hear flowers and death
Yeah it definitely reminds me of Jhin's performances
I think the mask mother gave the mask to Soates, who then saw the play and started writing until she died.
Most likely. What I don't understand it's why there are two different entities of death coexisting. I'm.not talking about Wolf and Lamb since they are pretty much one, but Kindred and the fading idol. This idol is almost forgotten but it's like still "there" while kindred is very active doing reaper things. How Grey Man/Kindred replaced that idol in the first place? Or this idol isn't a reaper but an idol for another things entirely? That's what's confusing to me more than mask mother and vulture.
So wait, if everyone just becomes immortal, or undying. Like let's say the ruination takes over all of runeterra, then in theory what Necrit is saying could happen. Death becomes a far away concept, and all death spirits like kindred loose all belief in them, then they hunt each other, and are forgotten then they are preyed upon by the vulture, who for the time being would be the strongest of the death spirits by far. Until he runs out of prey and is forgotten himself.
This technically means that the ruination is a direct threat to kindred. Which means that maybe if veigo goes too far in his quest to find his wife, kindred or some other death spirits might step in to stop him from ruining all of runeterra.
I love the idea that they have the same mechanic as the Gods of Freljord, as long as someone remembers them they exist .The more people remembers them, the more powerful they are. The only difference is they are devoured by the Etherfiend when they are forgotten. I just love the idea that even gods/icons of deaths have their own version of "Death".
A cool thing about it also Gameplay for the Mask mother since when she is played she kills and get the stats and Keywords (overwhelm, Challenger etc) Added to her Wich seems like a cool detail
I cant get past the human and blood elf world of warcraft silhouettes, I knew they were familiar
I believe Soates met kindred in some sort of death she came back from, and told the story as she saw it. In the story “all kindreds eves” there is a story teller who scuffs the “pale man split himself in two” story and wolf says he isn’t familiar with this telling, kindred remarks “a tale throughout time is tainted by each tongue that tells it [...] we know a truer story of which this faint dramaturgy projects only shadow.” This leads me to believe that the kindred are the most believed incarnation of death in runetera so they are the form “death” takes. Similar to how Evelyn was “born” from human suffering from a simple dark spirit, kindred was “born” when Soates popularized their physical form. This would also explain why in dialogue when the mask mother asks “do you know my name” to lamb and wolf they respond “mother” because Soates was the person who brought the kindred from being an omnipotent being with no form in the world, to lamb and wolf. This would also explain how kindred’s spirit blossom skin is cannon in runeterra because it is simply how Ionia’s stories and fables about the kindred allow them to incarnate into that form while staying largely the same to the original lamb and wolf as the Ionian perception of lamb and wolf is derived from the original story. Just my thoughts since I don’t believe they are spirits from my interpretation.
This sounds like the backstory for Jinn (new to LoL, haven't read his official story)
The themes of theater and admiration for art seem very fitting for each other
The cursed play theme Reminds me of the king in yellow and it’s done very well.
This is terrifyingly beautiful, holy shit. I wish I could write that fuckin good. Beautiful video Necrit, thank you!
The first easter egg you dont see her handing the lamb mask, thats the wolf mask. Wolf wears the lamb mask, lamb wears the wolf mask.
Thats so cool
You should keep the video about the Mask Mother up, since it's interesting to watch, and even if it's wrong, I liked where you were going with the video. If you do decide to keep it up, I suggest putting in the description a disclaimer about how it's been disproven, or refer them to this video.
Keep the video Necrit!!! I always enjoy all your videos even if it may be speculation!! Your work is always really appreciated
20:30 It may also reference the short story forest for the trees. Lamb says in the last line that she would never run from Wolf. And since Lamb hunts the ones who accept death, she would be killed by her own weapon. As for Lamb strangling Wolf, it might be because one can't live without the other.
Absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about being wrong once in a while. Impossible not to when trying to figure stuff out like this. Would love if you remade it accurately!
The kindred tales will always give me chills.
So if Wolf and Lamb are essentially destined to kill each other, would that imply that Wolf embraces his death and Lamb flees from hers?
There are so much amazing comments here 😱
@@est_halley Thank you. I actually just went and looked up Kindred's interactions in Legends of Runeterra and the one they have with the vulture implies that wolf would fight the vulture. However I think that when the time comes wolf would feel the inevitability but lamb wouldn't, thus try to fight death.
I think there might be a connection to lillia here. The mask sprouts along with its tree despite being separate. Similar to lillia. There is also a thematic link between sleep and death.
Damn I'm late on this, but if i remember spirit blossom correct kindred acts only as a sort of guide. They take people's spirit into the spirit realm or similar. So maybe in order to pass on you must be guided there by a spirit. This leads to groups producing there own 'death gods' kindred being the most popular and therefore, powerful. Maybe when a spirit takes up the role of a death guide it gets recognised by the mask mother who grants it a mask for whatever reason. As for the etherfiend when no one is left to die or maintain a death spirit they themselves must pass. So the mother created the fiend, a spirit to bring the end to 'death' itself.
Keep it! And remake it too. I love looking at story change/grow in time
This alludes to the theory that Wolf and Lamb must destroy each other (or at least deal with each other) at the end of their story as well. This emphasis also appeared in their classic lore and Spirit Blossoms as well, since Wolf is always seen to be drooling at Lamb, wanting to eat her, whilst Lamb wants to hunt Wolf down.
I've always thought that it's weird that only Lamb has the human form whilst Wolf is just a mist, but now I understand that it's to balance things out and keep Lamb on her feet and equal to Wolf. (It shouldn't be just Predator and Prey, but rather Predator and Hunter). Also, I assume that the two were never really "born" at the same time, it seems that Wolf is older and more primal than Lamb, which also fits well because before advancement in civilization, every world must experience struggle for survival in the wildlife more than having a satisfying death, which is a relatively late concept for intelligent lifeforms.
The kindred and the mask mother, kindred is my favorite set of champions simply because her lore is ACTUALLY complex and breathtaking rather than "sword go brr"
Wearing mask, masterpiece stage performance, death
This is now giving me some huge Jhin vibe here
Jhin is just Kindred's number one fan.
Oh, boy. Am I addicted to this channel!
I wish you'd include the link to the story in the description
Dude this is awesome, Kindred Stuff it's absolutely the most complex and mysterious Lore of this game, it's so complex it makes me wanna ear story's of Kindred before I go to Sleep, becouse they are beautiful and they represent Death as a totally diferent concept of the normal Horror Death Story's, and now I think of this could be Khada Jhin a 'Fan' or maybe it may follow the spirit legends of Death, and he uses a Mask, he is other one that sees Death as Peace of Art, and he is a Artist that shows the Death of the World, maybe he thinks that if he has a mask he can bring more people to belive in the Kindred, to make them more strong as a Spirit, Jhin can be so related to Kindred in this point of View! Awesome Riot GoodJob 👌
I enjoy your speculations even if they're not accurate it's fun to hear what you think could/will happen :)
Rito is gonna release a shadow isles vastaya now just to rub salt in the wound
I wouldn't take the video down, to be honest it was a really fun theory, I still liked watching the video :)
Necrit: if you haven't watch the mask mother video......
Me: already watched it-
Necrit: good....
Me: oh.....
I wonder what would happen if someone is re-remembered
I see a theory here. The goal of the darkin is to eliminate life so that maybe they may also die, theoretically if an unkillable being were to kill all life, death itself would cease and the so would everything. Could they be planning to actually have the villians win in runeterra? If so, sick.
I'm guessing also that the mask mother represents a "second life" threw being remembered, only makes sense that the mask mother is a equal and opposite to the vulture much as lamb is to wolf, a pair of pairs, just feels like it fits with the feel of the death spirits.
I was really exited when I heard "mother tree" because we might actually see Lilia in the lore more, but as the video continued I sadly wont think we will see her soon :(
Dont take old video down. It is my favorite video
The Gwen trailer is out. You know what to do.