6282 miles on my Patton from ewheels. eride pedals from your store. still going strong. A great euc, leperkim makes the best. Built like the tank it was named after.
I have an OG Batch 1 Patton with over 4000 miles that I love dearly and have had zero issues with other than one flat tire. I upgraded the springs to progressive 70lb to fix my main gripe which was the bottoming out issue and now that the Patton-S has progressive suspension I will likely swap the springs again to get the 66lb progressive suspension I have always wanted when they become available. Its great they refined the wheel however I would have liked to have seen a bit more power and range even if it meant keeping the weight they trimmed off and honestly 90mm of suspension travel. For now I'll stick with my OG Patton. Nothing has come out or is coming out that justifies an upgrade unless they make the "Lynx-S" so to speak.
@@dustinhankins2153 Not worth the money to upgrade unless I found a good deal on a used one. Happy with what I have for probably another year or so in which time there will be new wheels to consider.
the ride feel for the lynx is really different from the Patton, less agile but a good bit more stability at speed. But no, if you have the original this isn't enough of a change to worth an upgrade
I've been hearing mixed reviews about the progressive spring on the Patton S. I see in the assembly portion of the vid that you have 70lb springs. How did you find the plushness on and off road, did you experience any uncomfortable stiffness at the bottom of the shock stroke, and could you share your geared-up riding weight?
Great video review!, i enjoy your experience based reviews coupled with your ride videos from NY, as always, one thing though: i think you missed putting your performance score for the original Patton review, you say here it was 5/5 but i didn´t catch that on that video.
Love your videos. I would love to buy some swag from your shop but you don’t ship to Australia. Can I order directly or will you change to international shipping?
Hi! You mentioned briefly that this wheel may be UL certified; just wondering if there was any word. Would be great since we’re likely to get e-vehicle restrictions here in NYC in the near future…
With the weigh reduction I've been seriously thinking of moving from the T4 to the Patton S. But I'm a huge fan of PowerKnobz - can I install those on the Patton? Does removing that front brace cause issues?
What's the brand of those black and white speckle jackets you're wearing? I see an A and a C. Then I randomly see a triangle with a and cc, and made in USA. I don't think I see those linked in the description.
Wow, I am researching for a new wheel.. I see lynx, this, t4 pro etc.. this is lighter so I like it..would love to get a lynx but it’s expensive and heavy lol. I mean this is already heavy for me. But I didn’t realize that this is new, not even out yet (mid Jan google said)
I think the Patton S is just about the perfect beginner wheel! its well built, compact, very agile and powerful and can go waay faster than any average rider needs.
I want to know if the Patton S suffers from the same problem as the Sherman L: weight distribution and gyroscopic forces. The size and shape of the L, the pedal height, and motor weight, all lead to it being too easy to lean over at speed. At 20 mph, I have to steer it like I'm only doing 3 mph. There's no body leaning unless going at higher speeds. There are no gyroscopic forces keeping it upright that you have to fight against. If you even think about leaning, it falls over. And since the Lynx has wobble issues, I'm guessing it suffers from the same thing, and I wonder of the new tech in the Patton continues that. It boggles my mind that I haven't heard anyone address that. It's a safety issue since weight distribution and gyroscopic force creates stability.
I have the Sherman L and I have no idea what you’re talking about lol. If you have the kenda knobby tire it will quickly drop on its edge left and right. My Sherman S had the same tire and to mitigate this I’d drop my psi to 28 or below. I’m not sure if that is what you speak of, but I don’t have that issue you describe. I’ve ridden plenty of wheels and the L is the best.
Leaper kim wheel generally are much better tuned and balanced. But that is partly preferences if you are used to a certain weight distribution and ride feel other wheel will always feel "wrong"
The issue i take with subtle changes and again an S is it doesn't warrant another $3-4k investment just for softer lines and a bit better performance. It just goes to show customers the flaws the original has and yet they rushed it market anyway
I would still rather buy the Inmotion V14 50S. It has better design, front and rear light, more power and it is much easier to work on. And also looks much better.
Hopefully competition lowers both their prices, specially the v14 they seem to be both great wheels, Patton S seems to have the advantage of less maintenance, lighter, better software, much lower price and better build quality, the performance difference shouldnt be big, the v14 advantages you already mentioned and i would add the possibility of using only 2 packs so it could be even lighter than the Patton but with very reduced performance, would be interesting if they could do the same for the Patton
@@MacGyverCanada I just watched MacGiver. I was thinking more like the first digital Casio watches, but the Texas Instruments calculator is even better.
Does it still cut out and/or beep on hard braking with a fully charged battery? If yes, the wheel is still garbage imo Also, please, I beg of you, PLEASE use motorcycle sizing (Patton - 12", Lynx - 14", Falcon - 10", Master Pro - 17", V13 - 16"), old bicycle sizes are literatelly useless with modern wheels
EUC braking all regen and with a full battery they all run similar risk. But if you are aware and know not to go nuts in that first 5 min from a full charge then this isn't really a problem.
@@OWGAC I've only seen Pattons and Abramses falling on braking. And by braking i mean just going fast and then doing a really hard stop. Patton will not survive it, or at least will cut out. Any other wheel does not have that issue, I bought an ET Max for myself, and it doesn't cut out if I brake, never
@ every wheel has features that make it unsafe under certain conditions. Lack of suspension is unsafe. Inner tubes are unsafe. Lack of redundancy in hall sensors is unsafe. The point is that calling the whole thing garbage makes you sound like you’re 12 years old. No offense intended, take it or leave it.
So a Tesla battery per 1 kw/h costs $120 usd, it's the latest chemistry LFP. EUC batteries are the old chemistry lithium, as you have 4 kw/h capacity, that's $480 usd (old chemistry). So what gives ? Do you feel your being ripped off, you should!
you can't compare tesla which sells millions of car a year, with a small Chinese company that maybe sells a few thousand wheel a year. but EV economy is weird, I am still trying to understand why Chinese EV is half the price of similar US EV
6282 miles on my Patton from ewheels. eride pedals from your store. still going strong. A great euc, leperkim makes the best. Built like the tank it was named after.
Its really a well built and fun to ride wheel!
Happy Christmas Hsiang, many thanks for all you do to spread the good word and for bringing us great EUC content!
thank you and Merry Christmas to you too!!
I always enjoy the gopher's-eye view, when going off road 'where the rubber meets the dirt'.
LOL yeah its my 2nd favorite view, next to the behind the butt view! LOL
I have an OG Batch 1 Patton with over 4000 miles that I love dearly and have had zero issues with other than one flat tire. I upgraded the springs to progressive 70lb to fix my main gripe which was the bottoming out issue and now that the Patton-S has progressive suspension I will likely swap the springs again to get the 66lb progressive suspension I have always wanted when they become available. Its great they refined the wheel however I would have liked to have seen a bit more power and range even if it meant keeping the weight they trimmed off and honestly 90mm of suspension travel. For now I'll stick with my OG Patton. Nothing has come out or is coming out that justifies an upgrade unless they make the "Lynx-S" so to speak.
Why not upgrade to the current Lynx?
@@dustinhankins2153 Not worth the money to upgrade unless I found a good deal on a used one. Happy with what I have for probably another year or so in which time there will be new wheels to consider.
the ride feel for the lynx is really different from the Patton, less agile but a good bit more stability at speed. But no, if you have the original this isn't enough of a change to worth an upgrade
love my Patton OG, no need for upgrade jet. ❤
5:52 why there is a bolt sticking out of the suspension hole ? 😁
@@MathieuTechMoto was also wondering what that was
As always. Great editing and info! I run that same tire.. I really like it
Thank you!!
Great video as usual 👍
Thank you!
I've been hearing mixed reviews about the progressive spring on the Patton S. I see in the assembly portion of the vid that you have 70lb springs. How did you find the plushness on and off road, did you experience any uncomfortable stiffness at the bottom of the shock stroke, and could you share your geared-up riding weight?
Great video review!, i enjoy your experience based reviews coupled with your ride videos from NY, as always, one thing though: i think you missed putting your performance score for the original Patton review, you say here it was 5/5 but i didn´t catch that on that video.
Hsiang, can you tell me please the name of your pads in the video and maybe a link where can be purchased ?
Thanks in advance 🎩
its the North pad noaio.com/en/product/north-pad they are just the right size and harness for me!
You’re videos are one of the best reviews on the net ….
Thanks ! 🫡🎩👏💪🏼
Love your videos. I would love to buy some swag from your shop but you don’t ship to Australia. Can I order directly or will you change to international shipping?
Would be nice if you could let me know if you will ever consider shipping merchandise to Australia
I have mine preordered. Waiting for someone to make fairings/seats for its new body.
Good review but I notice audio clipping when you're speaking during the ride.
Yeah I tried stuffing the mic in my helmet since I was getting a lot of windnoise but I need to tune it lower.. will have to fix that next time!
Hi! You mentioned briefly that this wheel may be UL certified; just wondering if there was any word. Would be great since we’re likely to get e-vehicle restrictions here in NYC in the near future…
Any news on Mr kingsong.( great review on the Patton s btw)
what is the location of those trail riding footage?
Forest Park! I think I'll run the demo there
With the weigh reduction I've been seriously thinking of moving from the T4 to the Patton S. But I'm a huge fan of PowerKnobz - can I install those on the Patton? Does removing that front brace cause issues?
What pads are those?
North Pads! noaio.com/en/product/north-pad
@@OWGAC Shame, they don't seem to be order-able right now...
What's the brand of those black and white speckle jackets you're wearing? I see an A and a C. Then I randomly see a triangle with a and cc, and made in USA. I don't think I see those linked in the description.
ahh, that's Nike ACG gear.
That’s probably a vintage Nike ACG jacket by now there’s some on eBay. Warm and comfortable plus super functional.
Wow, I am researching for a new wheel.. I see lynx, this, t4 pro etc.. this is lighter so I like it..would love to get a lynx but it’s expensive and heavy lol. I mean this is already heavy for me.
But I didn’t realize that this is new, not even out yet (mid Jan google said)
I think the Patton S is just about the perfect beginner wheel! its well built, compact, very agile and powerful and can go waay faster than any average rider needs.
Thank u
how many pounds spring this demo unit has?
I want to know if the Patton S suffers from the same problem as the Sherman L: weight distribution and gyroscopic forces.
The size and shape of the L, the pedal height, and motor weight, all lead to it being too easy to lean over at speed. At 20 mph, I have to steer it like I'm only doing 3 mph. There's no body leaning unless going at higher speeds. There are no gyroscopic forces keeping it upright that you have to fight against. If you even think about leaning, it falls over. And since the Lynx has wobble issues, I'm guessing it suffers from the same thing, and I wonder of the new tech in the Patton continues that. It boggles my mind that I haven't heard anyone address that. It's a safety issue since weight distribution and gyroscopic force creates stability.
I have the Sherman L and I have no idea what you’re talking about lol.
If you have the kenda knobby tire it will quickly drop on its edge left and right. My Sherman S had the same tire and to mitigate this I’d drop my psi to 28 or below.
I’m not sure if that is what you speak of, but I don’t have that issue you describe. I’ve ridden plenty of wheels and the L is the best.
Have the L and feels so nice! I dont really know what youre saying
@@CaptainJacksIslandmaybe you have a wonky unit. If so you can try recalibrating.
Leaper kim wheel generally are much better tuned and balanced. But that is partly preferences if you are used to a certain weight distribution and ride feel other wheel will always feel "wrong"
Skill issue. 69.5mph gps on the GT Pro +, for reference. You need to improve your riding.
Another great video
thank you!!!
Are you ever going to review the Falcon? 😅
May be but I a super back logged right now!! will have to come after the xway and sherman L review
What I dont like about the patton S is that it lowered the value of my old patton lol
The issue i take with subtle changes and again an S is it doesn't warrant another $3-4k investment just for softer lines and a bit better performance. It just goes to show customers the flaws the original has and yet they rushed it market anyway
Us in the older crowd appreciate the S for cutting the weight but, keeping the goodies, my next wheel,just need the real price!
makes sense in 20mph Wales 😁
I would still rather buy the Inmotion V14 50S. It has better design, front and rear light, more power and it is much easier to work on. And also looks much better.
Hopefully competition lowers both their prices, specially the v14 they seem to be both great wheels, Patton S seems to have the advantage of less maintenance, lighter, better software, much lower price and better build quality, the performance difference shouldnt be big, the v14 advantages you already mentioned and i would add the possibility of using only 2 packs so it could be even lighter than the Patton but with very reduced performance, would be interesting if they could do the same for the Patton
That screen looks like it came from the 80's.
I love it
Hah yeah from one of those '80s calculators that still works perfectly fine today
@@MacGyverCanada I just watched MacGiver. I was thinking more like the first digital Casio watches, but the Texas Instruments calculator is even better.
It’s great I can change all the settings of the wheel without my phone, while wearing gloves. Way easier to see than an LCD in daylight
@@philamonhemstreet8632 Exactly.
SHERMAN L IS KING❤
But it is waaaaaaay larger heavier and rides totally different. they are really on the opposite end of the euc spectrum
@OWGAC range is king
🧢
charge port cover is off lol
I know! I didn't noticed until I got home that day and I was like @_@
wow good Moto c
Seems like you should be wearing bright colors, weaving through that heavy traffic, especially in winter. They can't see you.
At least he’s wearing an actual full face helmet now lmao… making progress one step at a time
Number one rule is ride like you're invisible
Expecting them to see you is your 1st mistake and last...
Drivers can't see bicyclists anyway; drivers are trained to look for car shapes.
Stealth mode 😎
Does it still cut out and/or beep on hard braking with a fully charged battery? If yes, the wheel is still garbage imo
Also, please, I beg of you, PLEASE use motorcycle sizing (Patton - 12", Lynx - 14", Falcon - 10", Master Pro - 17", V13 - 16"), old bicycle sizes are literatelly useless with modern wheels
That one little flaw makes the whole wheel garbage?
EUC braking all regen and with a full battery they all run similar risk. But if you are aware and know not to go nuts in that first 5 min from a full charge then this isn't really a problem.
@@OWGAC I've only seen Pattons and Abramses falling on braking. And by braking i mean just going fast and then doing a really hard stop. Patton will not survive it, or at least will cut out. Any other wheel does not have that issue, I bought an ET Max for myself, and it doesn't cut out if I brake, never
@@darkstar4494 Yes, it makes it unsafe.
@ every wheel has features that make it unsafe under certain conditions.
Lack of suspension is unsafe. Inner tubes are unsafe.
Lack of redundancy in hall sensors is unsafe.
The point is that calling the whole thing garbage makes you sound like you’re 12 years old.
No offense intended, take it or leave it.
👀👀👀🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👍🏽
So a Tesla battery per 1 kw/h costs $120 usd, it's the latest chemistry LFP. EUC batteries are the old chemistry lithium, as you have 4 kw/h capacity, that's $480 usd (old chemistry). So what gives ? Do you feel your being ripped off, you should!
you can't compare tesla which sells millions of car a year, with a small Chinese company that maybe sells a few thousand wheel a year. but EV economy is weird, I am still trying to understand why Chinese EV is half the price of similar US EV
for how long you ride on EUC you are guite average