I cor 8:6 "But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him."
Jesus in the river being baptized by John...Father says “This is my son in whom I Am well pleased”...Holy Spirit released in the form of the Dove...3 in 1
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20} T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
1 Cor 8:6 correct reading is.... "But to us [there is but] ONE GOD THE FATHER, of whom...." There's no comma between God and The Father. ONE GOD THE FATHER is A SINGLE Phrase....
@@TruthSetFree-zm1epThe heavens were opened, and beams of light and glory proceeded therefrom and assumed the form of a dove, in appearance like burnished gold. The dove-like form was emblematical of the meekness and gentleness of Christ. (Youth’s Instructor, Mar 1, 1874 Par. 4)
Pastor Hughes, I'm still perplexed why God uses vertical relationship terminology while pulpits shout horizontal relationship. • God says Jesus is his beloved Son. • Satan and Demons know Jesus as the Son of God. • Paul tells us Jesus is the Son of God. • Jesus says he is the Son of God. • Jesus tells parables regarding a Son. • The Old Testament is known for its "begottens". • If God’s creation beget after each kind, why can’t Deity (God the Father) beget a Son also of Deity? • If Jesus isn’t the Son of God as the Bible says, do we conclude he is also NOT the Son of Man? With all the Biblical proof, why is it so difficult for you to say Jesus is the Son of the Living God? Much, much more on this subject, but i will refrain for now.
What Does BEGOTTEN Mean In PARALLELISM the speaker uses a word to describe a thought or action then in the same or following verse uses a different word to describe the same action. Easton’s 1828 Bible Dictionary: PARALLELISM, n. State of being parallel. 1. Resemblance; equality of state; comparison. There is a lot of confusion within Adventism as to what “BEGOTTEN” means. Begotten, brought forth, bring forth, came forth, beget, issue from and conceived all have reference to being BORN see the following verses. The Bible uses parallelism so that words may be understood in their proper context. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Num 11:12 Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers? Ecc 5:14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand. Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand. Gen 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. Isa 39:7 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon. Jesus said: Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30. {PP 34.1} Pro 8:22-31 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Strong’s possessed: 07069 qanah {kaw-naw'} …1a1a) of God originating, creating, redeeming His people … The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2} But the point is that Christ is a begotten Son and not a created subject. He has by inheritance a more excellent name than the angels; He is "a Son over His own house." Heb. 1:4; 3:6. And since He is the only-begotten son of God, He is of the very substance and nature of God and possesses by birth all the attributes of God, for the Father was pleased that His Son should be the express image of His Person, the brightness of His glory, and filled with all the fullness of the Godhead….{1890 EJW, CHR 22.1}
I love how brother Bill explained the topic. I was looking for different lectures on the subject and Bill explained it, clear, without any intention to attack others or made an "enemy list (or promoting ministries who works as gangsters)" or consider himself as the owner of the truth. We need more brothers who have such talent and the evidence of the communion with God, to explain complicated and plain truths with simple words.
John 17.1 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Amen brother. --- 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Mathew 3: 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
John 20:16 "Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God."
Yes, Jesus Christ has a a God, which automatically debunks the Catholic dogma of the Trinity. There is another verse wherein Christ says 4 times that he has a God: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD: and I will write upon him my new name" Revelation 3:12 NONE of the apologists of the Trinity never mentions these verses.
@@Edupier SDA doesn't believe in the trinity, that's catholic teaching. SDA believes in the Godhead. To answer the verses you quoted I will quote Paul, who is speaking about the Father: Heb 1:8-9 "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Here the Father calls Jesus His God. Think about that one. Jesus calls the Father God and the Father calls Jesus God. So there's nothing wrong when Jesus calls the Father God.
@@danialdaoud Why fool yourself Daniel. The Father calls Jesus 'O God' because he is above man and angels. For God also called Moses a god. How do you explain that? Is Moses the god of God the Father? This is in essence what you are suggesting. And based on your argument he is! Let us read from Exodus 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god [ elohiym ] to pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." So then...Moses is a god. And Jesus is a God. It is for you to determine in what sphere and position each are 'a god'. Instead of camping on a verse, study scripture in context. This way you guard yourself from fooling yourself. Amen?
Bill, in effect you are saying that the anti- Trinitarian position that was taught in our 1872-1946 statement of beliefs is garbage, and an “assault on the 3 angels message.” You are saying that Adventism was “leading thousands of people astray” until we became Trinitarian. We did not vote in the Trinity, as it is currently taught, until 1980. (The 1946 statement can be taken either way. I smell a Jesuit....)Did God lie to our pioneers when they were “seeking for truth as for hidden treasure?” They moved forward from those truth seeking meetings as non-Trinitarian people. If you have looked into our history at all you must know this. Walter Martin picked it out of our books immediately. Was EGW wrong when she said that in Proverbs chapter 8 Jesus was speaking about himself? Bill, as a Trinitarian, you have a Father who is only a metaphor, a son who is only a metaphor, and a son who cannot die for you. Our pioneers knew all this. Please go back with an open mind and look to see how the pioneers arrived at the non- Trinitarian position. Ask for the old paths.......do not continue preaching Babylon’s god..... Adventism was considered a cult while we were non Trinitarian, but Froom and Walter Martin brought us into popularity with the acceptance of the trinity. Please study more....
Steve Fitzgerald Hi Steve, you are speaking truth. Thanks for your input. Please send me your email address when you can. I would like to send you some other supporting docs.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Im sorry your are still trinitarian. Elder Froom added the holy trio and it was not from E G White. When our Pioneers died our books were altered. And new books were written. There is no three persons. 1 John 1:3 that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellows John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Walter Martin and Leroy Froom both knew Ellen G White and the early adventist movement was not trinitarian. Walter Martin was going to expose this in his book about cults. You have covered both Leroy Froom and Walter Martin but failed to mention this.
Exactly, Proverbs 8 in the original language (hebrew) shows the Christ literally came out of the Father, his Divinity is based on His Divine substance and not being coexistent by the Father
@@paulj6720 ahhhh ok...now Jesus is not God! You started with the Holy Spirit not being God but your ''growing' and advancing'' to now include the Son. Soon you'll will be fellowshiping with the JW's.
Bono lib + can you show us that you came into existence without a father & mother? If you came into existence through your father, Can you tell us how he is no longer your father or that you are the same person known as your father? If that isn’t possible to prove, then tell us how you and your father are mates(co-equal) and you were born the same time as your father and then prove that he is not really your father and you’re not really his son in a physical literal sense and that your father -Son relationship is only a metaphor and that you and your father both decided to play those roles of father and son? In the Bible, The Father says “My Only Begotten Son “ , and the Son says “ My Father has sent me..... further says My Father is greater than I “; I don’t know how that is difficult to understand and accept! You and your father share the nature of HUMANITY and that human nature makes you equal. Your father is human and you are human. God and His Son are DIVINE. That is what makes them equal and that is why Jesus Christ inherited everything from the Father because it is His by natural inheritance. Are they co-equal? No. Every word of scripture on that issue disagrees. The Father existed before the Son. Please read Romans 1:20. God bless you
The most important thing of the Bible is about the God we serve even with the Sunday law. John 17:3 How can you know God, if your God is a mystery? If the day we keep is more important,then the God you serve, then the creation is more important than the creator..
The day is not more important than God. However, the day we keep proves that we acknowledge the Creator. Sabbath is important because God said it was. Keeping that day is proof that we love Him. "If you love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15)
You’re right Karolyn. John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, and Revelation 21:22; all confirm that God is the Father, NOT the Son. Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father, the Son of God. If you would like to see more verses that support these facts, please email me at RobsMail3@Yahoo.com
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 Ok...then why offend the greatest of commandments? The very first commandment. You serve a 3 god god. God calls this a false god. You worship a false god on the correct day. You pray to a 3 god god. Jesus prayed to One God, who he called his Father. You claim a 3 god god created man. The Bible and EGW say that the Father created by his Son. You 3 god god sits on the throne in heaven. Our Bible tells us that the Father only has a throne of which the Son sits on his right. Can you show us where this 'God the Holy Spirit' is sitting? Is it on the left? Show us Pastor Bill.
Yes but it will not be Originally ours now will it? We won't be able to say as Jesus did John 11:25 “I am the resurrection, and the life. Now in context “Jesus declared, “I am the resurrection, and the life.” IN CHRIST IS LIFE, ORIGINAL, UNBORROWED, UNDERIVED. “He that hath the Son hath life.” The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life.-The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)” {Evangelism, p. 61) What did she say? the divinity of Christ is our assurance! Amen
So Sad..... Brother Bill. In these Last days, defending the true nature of God, will be the most important calling. God seeks people who will worship Him in Truth and Spirit. "I am come in my Fathers name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. The God of the Sabbath is NOT the god of sun worship. The trinity destroys the true character and personality of Christ. The KJV Bible is consistantly non-trinitarian.
Wuke Anto How so? Clearly Jesus said, "And this is life eternal, that they might know (1) thee the only true God (Our Father who art in Heaven), and (2) Jesus Christ (the Son of the Living God), whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 KJV
It's amazing how the Holy Spirit is denied in all of these debates. Quite telling actually. What happened to the Comforter whom Jesus sends in His own name? How does Jesus send another Jesus, a force, in His place? That was the root of the pantheistic ideas of Kellogg and delving into unknown territory that is not expressly revealed, and then creating a creed about it. That is Catholicism at the heart of this movement that divides the body of the Remnant that has a calling in Revelation chapter 10 to focus on the little book of Daniel 8, not the theological surmisings of what makes up God, but who is the king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences who by peace destroys many through his policy in contradiction to the law of God. The character of Christ versus the character of anti-christ.
One Spirit, one Holy Spirit *proceeding from God,* is dwelling in the hearts of all, imparting a life-giving power to all 15LtMs, Lt 71, 1900, par. 5 So *the Holy Spirit, proceeding from the Saviour,* pervades the soul, renews the motives, and brings even the thoughts into obedience to the will of God TT 150.4 The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, *gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person,* and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. RH July 9, 1895, par. 13 The Lord is soon to come. *We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give.* It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. *We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ* 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18 *The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.* Their holy banner is to be exalted above all the greatness of the greatest men, above all the honour and glory of the world. PrT April 26, 1900, par. 1 Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than *the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.* YI July 7, 1898, par. 2 God's advise is.... Then let every man read, study, and search the Scriptures for himself and take nothing as infallible but the Word that you can see for yourself, after much prayer and searching in an humble, teachable spirit. God has given no man a right to set himself up as a standard of doctrine. Many have believed some things as truth because men whom they believed to be led of God have declared them to be truth; but were they? Was all they held in doctrine true? No! Time has shown that men who feared God have made mistakes in their interpretation of Scriptures. Some parts were not understood, and the next generation have, through diligent searching, come to a knowledge of the truth; advanced light has been presented, but they did not have all the light. The next generation saw increased light and then there was a going forward from light to a greater light. 1888 835.1 - 1888 835.2
“The Holy Spirit … personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality.” {Ms93-1893.8} “Evil had been accumulating for centuries, and could only be restrained and resisted by the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead,…” {Lt8-1896.2} “… we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes,” {Ms66-1899.11} “When you gave yourself to Christ, you made a pledge in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -the three great personal dignitaries of heaven. “Hold fast” to this pledge.” {Ms92-1901.5} “The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God.” {Ms20-1906.32} “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” {Bible Training School, March 1, 1906, par. 2}
Father, Son, AND Holy Ghost are expressly taught in the Holy Scriptures. Who can possibly want to go against that.. Peace and Love to all!! Bro. Rudy Leacock...
It is written, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Randy Foon - Amen. Satan is working so hard to keep us distracted by issues that lead NOT to salvation. We need to keep Christ Jesus in our sites and Him only. He is our blessed hope - and only He can SAVE us to the uttermost. We must remain in the the ‘ark’ of God’s remnant church and build up our leaders and pray earnestly for them - not tear them down. God is aware of all, but most especially each one’s heart. God will deal with all and He will guide and protect his church - his true followers through the storms ahead. But, we must remain in the ‘ship’ he raised up and provided us with. The ship will suffer damage, but it WILL make it through. Pastor Bill - please get back into the ship and let God be the judge. We must love and pray for our enemies because our enemies are really God’s enemies, and praying for them will make us less apt to judge them and will make us have the love of God in us and working through us. Our hearts must mirror God’s attributes of character, or we just delude ourselves.
Bill Hughes cannot get back on the GC ship. He was disfellowshipped for preaching the 3 Angels messages. He was told to stop by his Conference. The ship that goes through isn't any more visible than the seal of God or the mark of the beast.
@@johnjohnsick2697 , wrong. The trinity is a non-issue, not one of the pillars of the faith. People who try to define God and put Him into some sort of box by definition are doing exactly what those church fathers attempted to do by making a creed concerning Christ. The Trinity, supposed by accusers of the brethren, is not defined the same as the Catholic trinity. I don't know one single SDA who believes in 3 gods. This is part of the fanaticism and side issues plainly laid out by the Spirit of Prophecy.
"It is the desire and plan of Satan to bring in among us those who will go to great extremes - people of narrow minds, who are critical and sharp, and very tenacious in holding their own conceptions of what the truth means. They will be exacting, and will seek to enforce rigorous duties, and go to great lengths in matters of minor importance, while they neglect the weightier matters of the law - judgment and mercy and the love of God. Through the work of a few of this class of persons, the whole body of Sabbath keepers will be designated as bigoted, pharisaical, and fanatical. The work of the truth, because of these workers, will be thought to be unworthy of notice." - The Review and Herald, May 29, 1888.
Superimposing what you think another person believes in by attempting to build up a mass of evidence which really only shows the fanatical and narcissistic control over those whom you disagree with, just proves not my point, but the point of Ellen White's guidance in context. It is very convenient to completely ignore what she clearly stated are the pillars of Adventism in which there is no mention whatsoever of a creed regarding the Godhead.
correct... Kellogg brought much of the heresies into the church... including the Trinity...So after watching this not sure where he stands but believe he is stands with the Trinity? I do not
I was born into a SDA family and always believed in the ‘trinity: god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit” doctrine until recently; however, studying the Scriptures with the Spirit of Prophecy and our Pioneers beliefs, I can wholeheartedly say I was dead wrong and all those who believe as such are wrong, too, as the trinity doctrine is a false doctrine which was brought into the church primarily by LeRoy Froom whom I found out was a Jesuit Catholic priest and more likely joined the SDA church for the sole purpose to deceive and mislead many thus leading them to perdition. Please study the Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy diligently with prayer and find out for yourself that NONE of our Pioneers, including Sister White, believed in the trinity. For example, she refuted Dr Kellog and a preacher by the name Chapman who came to believe in “god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit”, three gods in unity or “triune god”, thus “god the holy spirit” being a different person from the Father and the Son [Jesus Christ.] Here just a few quotes from Sister White and some of our Pioneers on this matter, which trinitarians are ignoring if not despising: "Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall [although unseen by you] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ... Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” {Lt119-1895.18} "The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both. . . . none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will" (PP, p. 36). "After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, "Let us make man in our image." (ST Jan. 9, 1879; par. 13). "In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation." (DA p.769, par.2). “The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. Ellen White, Upward Look, page 367 “Christ has given HIS Spirit as a divine power.” - (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908) “How few realize that Jesus, unseen, is walking by their side!” - (E.G. White, 14MR 125.3) “He [Christ] is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the HOLY SPIRIT,” - (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897) “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God; it is also the Spirit of Christ.” U. Smith, GC Daily Bulletin, Vol. 4, March 1891, pp. 146, 147 “Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.” E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p. 23, 1890 “We learn from this language that when we speak of the Spirit of God we are really speaking of his presence and power.” J. N. Loughborough, Review & Herald, September 13, 1898 “The divine Spirit that the world’s Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God.” Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891 “We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” E. G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894 This is another statement of Sister White which says, I quote: “Before the entrance of evil, there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,-one in nature, in character, and in purpose,-the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (Great Controversy, 493) If the trinity is true, then, how is it that Christ was the ONLY BEING in all the universe that could enter into ALL THE COUNSELS and PURPOSES of God? Where was ’god the holy spirit?’ After all, if he is ‘god’ being co-eternal and co-equal with the Father, how is it that he could not enter into all the counsels and purposes of God? We MUST be very careful in what we believe as the devil is running to and fro on the face of this earth to deceive as many as he can. Therefore, study the Scriptures, the Spirit of Prophecy and the beliefs of our Pioneers for yourselves and let none foul you. We need to do like the Bereans, who went home and studied the Scriptures for themselves to see if it were so!
AMEN RUDOLF YOU UNDERSTAND VERY VERY WELL THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, DEUT 6; 4 ONE SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST AND THE SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND HIS HOLY SON SO SIMPLE A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND
@@mimijuneau5187 Yes, you are absolutely right, even a child can understand it. But what saddens me the most is that our ministers either do not understand this clear and simple truth or ignore this for the sake of their salaries. I guess many independent ministries, too, are so money driven that they are trading in their eternal lives for their fame and donations which, if they would stand up for the truth, they would loose. We need to keep them in our prayers.
@@mrsir8094 First of all, 1 John 5:7 is not found in early manuscripts. But even if it is, 1 John 5:7 does not prove, does not even hint the trinity. This scripture does not say: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are one or are the triune God; what this scripture does say is that the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost bear record in heaven, and these three are one. But let's read 1 John 5:10. It reads, I quote, "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. " What does it say? It says, '... the record that God gave of his Son'. Who gave the record of His So? Is it the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost? No! God Himself. But let's see who is the Word and who is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. I am sure you would agree that the Word is none other than Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God. But who is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit? The Scriptures clearly and plainly spells that out which many miss or want to miss to prove the trinity doctrine. In Acts 20:28 we read, I quote, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Now let's analyse this text. What does it say? It says 'the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers'. And, according to Paul, who is the Holy Ghost? '... he [who, that is Jesus Christ] hath purchased with his own blood', (added words mine for clarification.) So let's read 1 John 5:7 keeping the above in mind. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Son [Jesus Christ,] and the Son [Jesus Christ:] and these three are one."
And now let's read John 10:30 and 17:11 which read, I quote, "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." (John 17:11) According to John, who are one? The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost? Or the Father and Him? How many, two or three? Two! But there is more. For example, Galatians 4:6 which reads, I quote, "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." How does this scripture read? Does it read, 'God hath sent forth God the Spirit into your hearths? Or does it say, 'God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts.' But Galatians 4:6 begs at least three questions. 1. Is the Son of God holy? I am sure you would answer, Yes! 2. If the Son of God is holy, then, is the Spirit of His Son holy? Again, I believe you would answer, Yes! 3. Now if the Spirit of the Son of God is holy, would it be fair to say that, God hath sent forth the Holy Spirit of His Son into your hearts? Absolutely! Therefore trinity DOES NOT make sense. We mustn't be confused. (All quotes from KJV.)
Blessed to spot this Teaching this Sabbath in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. There are many disagreements expressed here, I am pleading with you all to also comments on other Videos and be bold to Share as Bill is Dedicated to The 3 Angels Messages which is seldom preached in modern SDA churches. BLESSINGS
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Watch out sister, is not a true doctrine. Is full of confusion. The Spirit is the Spirit of God and / or the Spirit of Christ Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Math 26: 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
Amen. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Thanks Pastor Bill.
So, the first 10 minutes was off the topic. Bill Hughes was simply buttering up the audience. -- This man is bringing in a lot of his opinions and the Word of God say something else.
I would like to add this. Sadly the majority of SDAs, unknowingly confess and worship the same 'triune god' as any other major denomination in the world. Please do your own research and be a faithful Barean. On Global Christian Forum website you find, I quote, "Guiding Purpose Statement The Guiding Purpose Statement agreed upon at the Pasadena meeting of 2002 was affirmed in 2007 at the first Global Gathering at Limuru: To create an open space wherein representatives from a broad range of Christian churches and inter-church organizations, which confess the triune God and Jesus Christ as perfect in His divinity and humanity, can gather to foster mutual respect, to explore and address together common challenges. ..." www.globalchristianforum.org/statement.html and among the participants is the: "Seventh-day Adventist Church SDA General Conference USA SDA General Conference Kenya SDA General Conference USA" www.globalchristianforum.org/participants.html Now ask the question, whom do these participants, (Christian churches and inter-church organizations,) confess? They confess 'the triune God'! And who are among these participants? The SDA General Conference! So, again, the question is, does the SDA General Conference confess 'the triune god'? YES! And who is this triune god? It is 'god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit', a false pagan god, that is the 'sun god', which is nothing else but sun worship found in Ezekiel 8:16. If THIS doesn't open our eyes, believe me nothing would! Pastor Hughes said that Jesus is eternal as the Father is eternal, called co-eternal and co-equal; however the Scripture and the SOP disagrees with him. In John 5:26 I read, I quote, "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;" What did Jesus say? Jesus said, He has been 'given ... to have life in himself'. Please note, He said 'to the Son', and not to someone else. And God had a Son before He sent Him into our world. Please read the following scriptures: "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his [God the Father] fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his [the Ftaher's] name, and what is his son's [the Son of God] name, if thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4) (Emphasis mine.) "And again, when he [God the Father] bringeth in the firstbegotten [His only begotten Son] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him [the Son]." (Hebrews 1:6; also John 3:16) And the pen of Inspiration has this to say, I quote, "The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by Him as His right. This was no robbery of God. “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way,” He declares, “before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth” (Proverbs 8:22-27). {1SM 247.4} (Please note, it doesn't say 'throughout eternity' but 'from' eternity; otherwise it would conflict with her other statements.) “In order that man might be placed on vantage ground with God, Christ, the only only begotten Son of God, MADE IN HIS EXPRESS IMAGE, came to this world and in the likeness of humanity lived a perfect life. “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” The power that enabled Him to overcome, He has placed at our disposal. In His strength we may be victors in the conquest against evil. He said, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne.” {Ms127-1905.14} (Emphasis mine.) “The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. He is willing to do more, “more than we can ask or think.” An inspired writer asks a question which should sink deep into every heart: “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?” Shall not every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ say, “Since God has done so much for us, how shall we not, for Christ’s sake, show our love to him by obedience to his commandments, by being doers of his word, by unreservedly consecrating ourselves to his service?” {RH July 9, 1895, par. 13) (Emphasis mine.) “The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, SHOULD BE EQUAL WITH HIMSELF; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father’s will would be fulfilled in him. {1SP 17.2} {SR 13.2} (Emphasis mine.) “If it were not for the light that is given us from above, we could not follow step by step in the footprints of Jesus. Christ came to this world in order that we might have this light. He is “the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” He, the Majesty of heaven, the Son of the living God, the One equal with the Father, came to our world to stand by the side of fallen beings, through His sacrifice giving value to humanity. Lower and still lower He stepped in humiliation, until it was impossible for Him to descend any lower. For our sake He suffered and died. While hanging upon the cross, He exclaimed, “It is finished.” He had accomplished His work for us; He had become the propitiation for our sins; He had made it possible for us to be accepted of God through faith in the atoning merits of the Crucified One. {ST June 3, 1903, par. 3} (Emphasis mine.) Please note, it says, “He, the Majesty of heaven, the Son of the living God, the One equal with the Father, came to our world…” He was equal with God: “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father.” - (E.G. White, 8T 268.3) “By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by is divinity, He lay hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey…” ― (DA, p. 7, par. 1) Below Ellen White literally states that there was a time that Christ did not exist but it was so far back in time that we would be exhausted from the research trying to work out when that time was. “Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” - (E.G. White, 7BC 919.5) (Please read also the first chapter in Patriarchs and Prophets, “Why Was Sin Permitted”, where the author makes clear the position of Christ, as being “the only begotten of God.” Further she states that, “The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings.” [Colossians 1:16 quoted]) So the Scriptures and SOP clearly reveal to us TWO divine beings, and not three: God the Father and the [only begotten] Son of God; and the Holy Spirit throughout IS referred as the Spirit of God and of the Son, or Lord Jesus Christ. How could anyone ignore these? But I believe we reached that point of time when we, SDAs, MUST realise and accept the fact that we have been misled and deceived by some wolves in sheep clothing, (and hireling shepherds,) who entered the church and brought in false teachings, especially the trinity: “god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit” doctrine. And I believe this is already happening within the church where a polarization is clearly seen between those who worship the only true God and Jesus Christ, (John 17:3), for ‘this is life eternal’, that is ‘Salvation.’ We must be very careful how we interpret Scriptures and the SOP. (All scriptures quoted from KJV.)
Luke 10: 21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
This is profound: The Greatest Commandment (Deuteronomy 6:1-19; Matthew 22:34-40) 28Now one of the scribes had come up and heard their debate. Noticing how well Jesus had answered them, he asked Him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’e 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’f No other commandment is greater than these.” 32“Right, Teacher,” the scribe replied. “You have stated correctly that God is One and there is no other but Him, 33and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34When Jesus saw that the man had answered wisely, He said, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any further. Pastor Bill also forgot about the endless cites from the Pioneers. And that is unacceptable!
YOU SO MUCH NEED TO SEPARATE THE TAKING AWAY THE OLD-TEN COMMANDMENTS COVENANT- AND ESTABLISHING THE NEW HEBREWS CHAPTER 10 VERSE 9. When the phrase 'in ... law' (the, your ....) is used the Old Testament covenant is referenced WHEN the 'law' phrase is absent it MAY BE NOT referencing the Old. The Shema 'The LORD our GodElohim is oneechad LORD' and the two greatest commands are under the Old Testament covenant BUT there are two Gods who make up the new John 5th chapter verse 23 'that all should honor the Son even as they honor the Father John chapter 5 verse 23 John chapter 17 verse 3 'and this is life eternal that they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent'. As Jesus was taught by the Father Jn8:54,28 he, Jesus, and the Father are two men Scripturally which is by the 'law' meaning each has his own material body which is a soul and has a rhuach spirit formed within him Zechariah chapter 12 verse 1 with Genesis chapter 2nd verse 7.
Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].
It is so clear the way you put it across. So many only take the bits they feel conformable with or that suits their own prepaid conceived opinions. Praise be to God, praise wonderful Jesus and blessed be the sacred wonderfully mysterious Holy Spirit!
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Discussions around the Trinity often quickly become a mess due to a couple of typical misunderstandings: Most non-trinitarians I have met do not believe that the Son is created. We believe that He is born of the Father. We are made of the soil that we stand upon. The Son is of the same nature as the Father. When He became the Son of Man through birth by Mary He connected the divine with the human. What an amazing and completely overwhelming truth! Because the Son is born of the Father He is divine. One other typical misunderstanding is that non-trinitarians do not believe that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. Matthew 10:20 says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father: "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." Also Galatians 4:6 says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son: "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." So clearly, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. Also it is clear that the Spirit is a third person of the Godhead because He is being sent by both the Father and the Son: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26). "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: " (John 15:26)
The table of shew bread was in the side of the north, had 4 sides. Six days of creation, Father and Son. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Math 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
There’s no such thing as three persons in a godhead. The fullness of the Godhead dwell in Christ, which means the father dwell in Christ. Jesus said, whatever I do I do because the father is in me. The bible is to be read with clarity and we should teach sound Doctrine 🙏🏾
This is absolutely true! Here he is teaching error! "For as the Father has life in Himself, so Has he given to the Son to have life in Himself." John 5; 26.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. Mark 1:10-12 (KJV) 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20} T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
The Trinity dogma or the 3-headed god denies what Jesus and the Apostles clearly taught: there is only one true God, God the Father. JESUS "And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" jOHN 3:17 THE APOSTLES "But TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" 1 Corinthians 8:6 It's sad to see wonderful and sincere pastors like Pastor Hughes to stand up against Jesus and the Apostles.
Mrs. White says the Holy Spirit is the 3rd Person of the Godhead: Review and Herald, January 27, 1903, paragraph 9- "The salvation of human beings is a vast enterprise, that calls into action every attribute of the divine nature. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have pledged themselves to make God's children more than conquerors through Him that loved them." The Bible says there are 3 that bear record in Heaven: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)--(which is a passage of the Bible found in manuscripts dating back to the 1st century) 3 is more than 1 in my mind. The Bible says 3, the Apostle John said 3, Paul mentions all three, Peter also--for me, these verses are in harmony. That's good enough for me... God Bless
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 It seems so but it is not true. Those few quotes are taken out of context and done by Leroy Froom. There are many more texts of EGW that says the Holy Spirit is the spirit of Christ or the presence and power of God, but not another person apart from the Father and the Son. In fact 2 Cor. 3:17 states "the Lord [Christ] that Spirit" Check it out.
@@Edupier your philosophy casts doubt on the SOP and the Bible. I do not need any scholars to tell me that my Bible doesn't say what it clearly says. That biblical quote was not taken out of context. It says "3 bear record in heaven." It is that simple. If I say "1 John 5:7"--antitrinitarians say either "your misunderstanding the quote sir and need my help" or "that quote was added by translators in later centuries" (even though 1st century manuscripts contain that passage verbatim) Then I'll say "John 14-16"--antitrinitarians say "that is a parable"--that's odd, when I prayed for enlightenment by the Holy Spirit I never read it as a parable--if it's a parable then the Bible is confusing and not clear. Now I need a man to help me read my Bible--no thanks. Ok, then I'll say Jesus says we are baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit--antitrinitarians say that "you're misunderstanding the quote and need my help" If I say, what about Ellen White--antitrinitarians say "all the quotes that Mrs. White made in regards to the Holy Spirit being a Person were either not written by her, written by her secretary and added, Leroy Froom did it, etc." I'm sorry but I accept the clear teaching of Scripture and SOP without the aid of other men's ideas. Mrs. White mentions that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the Godhead in Desire of Ages as well and many many other manuscripts. The test for God's people is the Sabbath and law of God; the test for the whole world is the Sabbath and law of God. How about we focus on doing our job? The Holy Spirit being or not being the 3rd Person of the Godhead is not our message for this time; it is not 'present truth'; and it is certainly not how we present the Gospel to lost, hungry souls. God Bless
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 Not a word about John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6. Why? Unless Jesus and the Apostles are a bunch of liars you must repent. Will you?
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 DID ELLEN WHITE WRITE THREE HOLIEST BEINGS? The answer is a definite “No.” Ellen White DID NOT pen these words by her own hand. They were written by a stenographer trying to keep up with a sermon she was preaching. So while some claim that Ellen White wrote “three holiest beings,” the Ellen White Estate clearly informs us on their web site that Sermons and Talks, Book 1 containing the phrase “three holiest beings” comes from a “HIGHLY EDITED” stenographer's report of a sermon she preached on October 20, 1906 at the Congregational Church of Oakland, California. The date of release by the White Estate is “March 16, 1976.” So this was not her handwriting but a typed report from a stenographer that was first published 70 years after her sermon and can never be authenticated. This is what Ellen White wrote about unauthenticated reports, “And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works.” - (Ellen G. White, 5T 696.1) The statement appears in the book Sermons and Talks, Book 1. In the forward of the book we are told, “All the messages reproduced in this volume were delivered in public and stenographically reported, or were prepared with that purpose in view. Many of Ellen White's sermons may be found in the Review and Herald and Signs of the Times, but nearly all of those included in this series have been drawn from previously unpublished manuscripts, as they appear in our files. So, although there were no tape recorders in Ellen White's day, a person may get the true “feel” of Ellen White as a speaker by reading this book.” - (Forward, Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1) Ellen White taught that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming to us through His Son and so she wrote. “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST; it is His representative.” - (Ellen G. White, 13MR 313.3, 1895) “CHRIST has left HIS HOLY SPIRIT to be HIS representative in the world,” - (Ellen G. White, Lt84, October 22, 1895) “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3) “We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” - (Ellen G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894) “but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” - (Ellen G. White, Ms36-1891) Not only did she identify the “Holy Spirit” as the “Spirit of Christ,” but she always identified ONLY two beings ALONE, not three. So if Ellen White had said or written “three holiest beings” then she would have contradicted herself making herself a false prophet. Note that she wrote ALONE and ONLY. “The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” - (Ellen G. White, The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898) --- ONLY TWO BEINGS. Did she say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ALONE are to be exalted? No she did not! And again, “God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” - (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, January 13, 1909) --- ONLY TWO BEINGS. www.trinitytruth.org/ellenwhitethreeholiestbeings.html For more information ==== >
Do you not understand, that it is that the Word (God, and being God had the same beginning as God Isaiah 43:10 'before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me') who became known as Jesus the Son while God- Jehovah Jehovah Isaiah 26:4- remained in heaven John 8:54. Upon taking off, emptying himself of,his God-body- God-nature, God-knowledge, and God-abilities, even eternal life in himself- the Word was made- having put on his servant body God had prepared for him Hebrews 10:5, Philippians 2:6- a man in all things Hebrews 2nd chapter 17 therefore not any longer a true God John17:3. Jesus fulfilled the law Matthew 5:7, established the taking away of the law, and the coming new. Hebrews 10:9. All statements of before Abraham was I am,except you believe I am you will die in your sins were for them and future references to his coming Diety. , Almighty God Revelation chapter 1:7-8, toward mankind Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:22-23 while God is the Almighty God of those in heaven 1st Corinthians 15:28!
The Spirit is the third person of Jesus Christ. Just as he called Himself the Son of Man in the third person. And Scriptures confirm what I say ,see, 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. Why so much confusion about the Spirit?
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He [Christ] should leave them, go to His [Christ's] Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His [Christ's] successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself [Christ] divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He [Christ] would represent Himself [Christ] as present in all places by His [Christ's] Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." Manuscript Releases, v14, p. 23. Why can't you Bill, understand this statement by Ellen White that YOU use in all your sermons.
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Excellent study, Bill Hughes! I’ve gone a few rounds with a number of these so called “non-trinitarian” advocates. Let me tell you, brother that their belief clearly fits your definition of the Catholic trinitarian view. Many are in reality Catholic trinitarians, but they do not see themselves as such. Self deceived. They have rejected the Bible teachings of the third person of the Godhead. Did you catch that? They have in “essence” rejected the Holy Spirit. They only want to pontificate on the Father and Son. Jesus Himself taught that he sent us the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) since he can no longer be with us in person (because he is forever human and Divine). He sacrificed his omnipresence for us. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." (John 16:7) These “non-trinitarians” in a sense reject Jesus’ new “Divine-human forever” nature, making him a spirit. They will tell you that Jesus is the Spirit referred to 2 Corinthians 3:17: "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." Is “Lord” in this passage referring to “Lord God”, “Lord Jesus”, or can it be referring to the co-equal Lordship of the Spirit itself? One thing may be certain, it is not telling us that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one and the same thing with no distinction, thus totally eliminating the “third personage” which the Bible so clearly establishes. You can see the “extreme danger” of this very fanatical thinking which in essence says that there is no third person in the Godhead. If Jesus is a spirit and not Divine-human forever, then his sacrifice on the cross becomes unnecessary.
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 SEE MY COMMENTARY A SPIRIT HAS NO BONES NO FLESH SO IT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND HIS SON SO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD BLESS YOU ALL WATCH THIS EXCELLENT VIDEO; WHO IS THE THIRD PERSON BY NADER MANSOUR SO BIBLICAL & PROPHETIC WOW WOW WOW
when they say born or begotton you Bill misquote them by saying CREATED. there is a whole lot of difference. Jesus himself said he came out of the Father. E.G white says He is begotton not greated. and Godhead simply means Divinity. One God the Father and one only begottn Son. no one else. Yes they do have a spirit, it is called the Holy spirit, the spirit or life of Christ.
Why do some Christians believe begotten means created, these two words are worlds apart in meaning. If that was the case we can say Adam and Abraham both created their Sons Seth(Gen 5:3-4) and Isaac(Hebrews 11:17) because both had begotten them. Now we know man can’t create nothing. So to say Christ was created the one who created “ALL THINGS” is nonsense Christ was Begotten which means life brought forth from the life of the parent(John 5:26)
Yes ...so true. It is nothing more than a smear tactic that has persisted for centuries. Trinitarians bear false witness towards those who believe in Christ being born of God. SDA trinitarians ALSO discredit the very prophetess EGW, of whom they profess to adhere to. For she certainly says the same of Jesus, in that he is begotten. As recorded in Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895. "A complete offering has been made; for 'God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son',-- NOT A SON BY CREATION, as were the angels, not a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, BUT A SON BEGOTTEN IN THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF THE FATHER'S PERSON, AND IN ALL THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS MAJESTY AND GLORY, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Math 16: 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
We are the Lords your Gods who brought you out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage? Thou shalt have no other gods before us? We formed you in the womb, we spread out the heavens together, we made the earth by ourselves? I am God and there are two more just like me? Is there a God besides me? I know of two more just like me and if we had drawn straws differently someone else would have played the role of the unbegotten pretend Son of God called God the Son? Fear the Gods and give glory to them for the hour of their judgement is come? Remember the Sabbath day... for in six days the Lords made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is and they rested on the sabbath day and they blessed it? Anyone need directions to Babylon???
@@theradicalreformer2894 I don't have a problem, you have a problem. GOD said to Moses. GOD said to Moses and Aaron. GOD said to Abram. GOD said to Abraham. GOD told E.G. White. So everytime GOD speaks to someone, be it a human, an angel or HIS only begotten Son that makes them a GOD right? WRONG!!! It makes Moses a 'god' when 'GOD' says to Moses I will make you a 'god' to Pharaoh. It makes human's 'gods' when GOD's word says, 'Ye are 'gods' and when Jesus repeated the text and said, 'scripture could not be broken'. It makes Jesus a 'God' when His FATHER 'GOD' said to HIS Son, 'GOD' said to 'God' sit here at MY right hand until I make all your enemies MY footstool'! There is only 'ONE' (1) ONLY TRUE GOD THE FATHER WHO IS THE FATHER OF ALL AND THE FATHER OF AN ONLY BEGOTTEN SON and there is only 'ONE' (1) Mediator between 'GOD' and men, the man Christ Jesus. If you place the Son equal or coequal to the FATHER you have two 'GODS' and are saying that the 'one' who said, 'the FATHER is greater than I', is a liar (and you violate the first commandment and the second) and if you add the holy Spirit as a third 'GOD' then you would have three 'GODs' and no literal FATHER and no literal only begotten Son, only metiphorical one's. If you go all the way to the Catholic trinity (Athanasian creed trinity) you have a single devine being with a multiple personality mental disorder and a 'GOD' who talks to HIMSELF (HIS other personalities) and again you have no literal FATHER and no literal only begotten Son, you only have metiphorical one's which is antichrist (he who denies the FATHER and the Son, he is antichrist, and there were many in Christ's day and the prediction was that there would be many more to come and there are)!!!
@@theradicalreformer2894 in Isaiah 44:24 'GOD' said, "I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB, I SPREAD OUT THE HEAVENS ALONE, I MADE THE EARTH BY MYSELF"! Do you believe GOD or do you believe two or three GODs made everything together or do you believe Jesus Christ created the earth and GOD helped like the trinitarian translater's of the new testament want you to believe? See youtube video, 'did Jesus create everything? by disciple John'.
The Radical Reformer + The word Elohim does not mean a plurality of persons just because of the ending ‘im’. Not every word in Hebrew with ‘im’ connotes actual plurality in its counting. There are several instances where Elohim is used for individuals in the Bible and Baal and ashteroth are called Elohim individually. There is what is called ‘majesty of plurality ‘ or ‘singular absolute ‘. The word ‘mayim ‘(water/s) and ‘hashamayim’ (heaven/s) both end with “im “ but they don’t mean they are things you count in separation. To a Jew or Hebrew, God’s main name is too SACRED to be mentioned Willy-Nilly, therefore they refer to HIM with other appellations.
He makes the wild statement that Mark Finley says that SDA has 3 ideas in common with Adventists which include the trinity. No reference given just picture of a book Studying Together. This is unprofessional.
The trinity in a verse, Elect according to the foreknowledge of *God the Father* through sanctification of *the Spirit* unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of *Jesus Christ* Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. {1 Peter 1:2}
Our group her studied Revelation 3:12 we found the new Light for this time that their is only one God,and Jesus Christ was a created being in womb of virgen mary
And God [Eloh[im]] said, Let *us* make man in *our* image, after *our* likeness... {Genesis 1:26a} Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me. {Isaiah 6:8} The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Then *the LORD* rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire *from the LORD out of heaven* {Genesis 19:23-24} (Twain speaking as one) Thus saith *the LORD* the King of Israel, and his redeemer *the LORD of hosts* I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. {Isaiah 44:6} Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now *the Lord GOD* and *his Spirit* hath *sent me* {Isaiah 48:16} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was *with* God, and the Word *was* God. The same was in the beginning with God. *All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made* In him was life; (Original, Unborrowed, Underived) and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. {John 1:1-5}
I don't agree with the trinity of the SDA nor the Catholic. Folks, I don't know if I am the one getting the terms wrong 'beggoten' means born not created For instance when a mother gives birth she doesn't say that I have created but she says I have born Notice the slide on Which Ellen White describes Christ has life I borrowed.....read it in light with John 5:26"KJV John 5 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"...the life Christ has was given by His father hence the life given is original,unborrowed....in other words the life in God the father is original hence he gives the life to Christ The verse below becomes a reality KJV 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
The catholic catechism uses biblical language in regards to the persons in the Godhead. It does not necessarily follow that they believe the things that Pastor Hughes infers from such a use. There should have been more sources and references what the RCC actually believe about the trinity and what it understands when using such terms as: "only begotten of the Father", "proceeds of the Father", etc. I feel somewhat a disingenuity in handling the issue unfortunately. Did not the early catholic church condemn arianism? did they not write countless material on the topic that could have been referred to? Yet even Pastor Hughes avoids dvelving into what the scripture means by "begotten" and "proceeds" etc. which would, once and for all, disperse the questions surrounding that terminology.
That's a very concerning and sad thought. It sounds like you are saying that we can't understand Catholic doctrine by reading and quoting the Catechism, which is it's purpose. Catholic nuns, priests, and laymen study the Catechism to in order to properly understand dogmas. So, 1 of 2 things is true: Either 1.) you are being dishonest by stating that we should have done more research into other catholic sources outside of the Catechism in order to get the answer you would like us to get, or 2.) The Catholic Church's Catechism is not sufficient to do what it was designed to do--teach Catholic doctrines. Which is it?
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 Sorry, I only found today the possibility to view my past comments. I am all with you, Brother. I just want the argument to be proper and powerful so that we actually defeat false doctrines and not mere strawmen. When the Bible says that the Son is the "only begotten of the Father" and Catholics use that to make a point it does not help to conclude that they mean by this that Jesus is a created being (which they reject - of course). It would help to show _what is biblically meant_ by that term and then show how the catholic position contradicts it. Are "Begotten" and "Son" attributes of the second person by the fact that He would be the one incarnated and born into this world? Or is it because they reflect figuratively the hierarchical structure of the Godhead? Or is it because Jesus was actually "born" in "eternity past"? Or some other reason or a combination of those? Which option does the Bible support? Which one is believed by catholics? To answer your question: Both. Because, admittedly, I did not study on this topic exhaustively, and after reading what the RC catechism has to say on the topic, it is still not clear to me what they actually mean (I am in contact with someone right now to clarify this) I did not want to come across as dishonest or belligerent. My biggest gripe is with the slide at 21:35 where it states that catholics believe that Jesus is a created being. That conclusion simply does not follow from the statements in the catechism and is even condemned by catholics themselves as the arianian heresy. It can easily be avoided be stating that they believe that Jesus had a beginning in contrast to the Father who is from eternity past. (Yet I'm not even sure if that is what they actually would say about themselves)
Have you read this passage in other translations? As we both know, Christ comes in the glory of his Father. the same verse in the ASV. 'Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the GLORY OF the great God [the Father] and our Saviour Jesus Christ.' the same verse in the YLT. 'Waiting for the blessed hope and manifestation of the GLORY OF our great God [ the Father] and Saviour Jesus Christ.' And now the gospels, Matt 16:27 'For the Son of man shall come in the GLORY OF his Father with his angels,' [There is your confirmation] And for good measure Mark 8:38 'When he cometh in the GLORY OF his Father with the holy angels.' As we can see the KJV translation is not ideal. We must be cautious not to camp on one verse and disregard the rest. 'For all scripture is given for instruction and correction.' 2 Tim 3:16 Amen?
@@canadiancontrarian3668 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {Titus 2:13} καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God... There is no scripture of the Father coming with Christ at His second coming. That is unbiblical.
I have a paperback edition which does not line up with the pages you gave. Mine has chapter 3 is from ppg 17-22. I read chapter 3 and it basically says Christ is the Holy Spirit, just like John 14:18. Thank-you.
Do you Know what is interesting about Matthew 28:19? Not once is that format ever followed in the book of Acts. Where the Disciples disobedient? Or maybe Matthew 28:19 was never spoken to the Disciples. The Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 2 Pg 263.
You are right, I am a sinner but I am obsessed to find the truth, and by God's grace His Spirit will lead me. Please show me in the book of Acts, like I asked you to, where does it say the Disciples used That Format of the Trinity, Where ? Just One Text? Can you provide one? I gave you something to look at but you won't be able to reasonably respond until you look for yourself.
where in the hell in the Bible does it teach that the holy spirit is a person the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit proceed from the father any Adventist that believe that the holy spirit is a person is going to go to hell because they don't know who God is Sister white didn't teach that you take two statements out of context and try to run with it you act like Leroy Froome never did what he did come on people wake up with this nonsense
7 Life Changing Health and Wellness Ministry “Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.” (Ellen G. White, ‘The Desire of Ages’ page 671 chapter ‘Let not your heart be troubled’ 1898) The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1} Thank you God for revealing that to sister White! Now then, please share with us about your medical missionary work and outpost center, as many of us are seeking to be used by God to finish the work!
Chike Chike-Michael “Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.” (Ellen G. White, ‘The Desire of Ages’ page 671) The word "person" is spoken by your prophet, not "nature".
Dan G + Now you show your identity. Yes, I believe her as a prophet and that is why I will not take one statement out of many to quote her out of context and make her statement to support a lie she did not believe
Dan G + Jesus said the Father would send”another comforter “ but did you read further in same chapter 14 when He said,” I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you”???
I order to be saved, and one must only believe that Jesus is the Son of God, period. The Bible is the only authority. Jesus stated very clearly that the Holy Spirit is a person,muses pronouns for the Holy Spirit. The word trinity isn't in the Bible, so I don't use it. Be careful how you judge, and if you condemn... your in sin.
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins *but God* only? {Mark 2:7} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us* {Matthew 1:23} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God* was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. {1 Timothy 3:16} “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” {John 10:11} ... “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.” {John 10:14} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want... {Psalm 23:1a} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour. {Isaiah 43:11} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. {John 20:28} Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. {Isaiah 48:12} And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” {Revelation 1:17-18} Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: {Philippians 2:5-6} He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. {John 1:10} For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; {Colossians 1:16-19} But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, *from everlasting* {Micah 5:2}
“It would be a mistake to leave this sublime subject without addressing an additional distortion to the teaching of the trinity. Another class of sincere Christians believes that while the Father and Son are truly distinct persons, they only see the Holy Spirit as a cosmic force or essence-an impersonal power conduit or vehicle to do the bidding of the Father and Son. We can appreciate why the Holy Spirit seems to be the hardest member of the Godhead to visualize and define. Sometimes He is called the Holy Ghost, which leaves people with a “spooky” image. The Scriptures compare Him to everything from wind and fire, to a dove, water, and even a defense attorney! But as we consider the various features of the Holy Spirit, we can quickly see He has all the credentials of a separate and distinct, intelligent, individual being. The Holy Spirit leads and guides. “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13 NKJV). It’s true that a map or GPS can lead you, but no one calls a map “he.” It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say[…]”“It’s true that a map or GPS can lead you, but no one calls a map “he.” It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself? The Holy Spirit also comforts. “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever” (John 14:16). I have never seen a lonely child run to a vacuum cleaner for an embrace-only intelligent beings can offer comfort. Jesus promised before His ascension that He was sending another helper; paraclete is the Greek word that signifies a multi-sided personal ministry as counselor, consoler, advocate, helper, comforter, ally, and supporter (John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26-27; 16:7-15). These are all traits that usually belong to a person or friend. If the Holy Spirit is merely God’s active force, then John 16:7, 8, is nonsense.'' Quote from nearest PASTOR=Pharisee
Bono lib + When Jesus said, “ And when the son of man shall appear .... with the glory......”, who was He speaking of? And of course you rightly quoted “ when he, the “spirit “ of truth “; do you recall Jesus saying earlier, “I am the way, the TRUTH and the life” ; now He says ‘the spirit of Truth. The spirit is also the spirit of the WAY and also the spirit of LIFE.... all speaking of Jesus but divested of humanity.
Actually he is doing the same thing Kellogg did, taken snipets of Sister Whites writings and making seem to be what he is saying! Where’s the quotes on Jesus is the third person! Half truths
So sad trinitarians will never enter in a open Bible study to open the Word and study together. Very much like people pushing the Vaccaine mandates and those who believe in freedoms
So now we don't have one God, but three. Wow, even though the Catholics got it wrong, at least they have one God, instead of 3 totally contrary to the bible.
@@stinawiik4468 I believe we only have one God, the Father. But basing my reply on the video, I stand by my comment. The Catholic trinity, as shown by the presenter, is one God in three persons. The SDA is Godhead, 3 different beings, therefore 3 different gods that are united in one purpose. Are you a "Godhead" doctrine believer? Or do you believe in the biblical God as taught by Jesus Himself? John 17:3
@@mrsir8094 I don't see how John 1:14 has to do with Jesus being the true God of the bible. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 NKJV What John 1:1 is saying is that Jesus is it the divine nature. Jesus, the Word, was with God. Jesus was with the God of the bible. Jesus is God in the sense that He has the divine nature as His Father. John 1:14 explains why Jesus is God. It is because He is the real and literal begotten Son of God. This is what gives Him the status of God, not that He is God of His own right. So I do believe that Jesus is God, but not the Almighty God of the bible. Even Jesus tells us this same fact in different ways. The most definite statement of the only true God comes in the last prayer recorded prior to being taken to be crucified. And this is eternal life, that they may know You (the Father), the *only true God*, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 NKJV What I'm coming to understand more and more is that the word God is a position or title. There are only 2 divine beings and they are a Father and Son. The true God is the title given to the supreme Sovereign of the universe, the a Father. Even John, the same author who wrote the introduction that we are talking about also states: And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. I John 5:20 NKJV
@@jmrdrgz "So I do believe that Jesus is God, but not the Almighty God of the bible" ohhhhh really? when Jesus says "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) and when Jesus says "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9) it shows that Christ is on the same level as the Father....Christ is Almighty God...one God three persons
Brother Bill, What happened to you? You used point out corruption in the church but now you are part of it. The 3rd angels message is the non-trinitarian true nature of God, warning. You are like brother Ted Wilson, who wants to lol every body to sleep.
I have to say, I Love you ,brother Bill, enough to want to tell you the true nature of God [trinitarian vs non-trinitarian] is key to Revelation 14:7. Wasn't B.G Wilkinson one of the first Adventist college Professors to expose jesuits teaching theology in the SDA institutions? Would you say jesuits have been running the SDA s educational programs for at least 50-60 years now? Rewriting Ellen White's work, are you aware of how many of her books have been tampered with? Wasn't your theological training possibly jesuit influenced? I will pray for you.
A Dm That's true. What a strange mystery! No medical missionary work. No outpost centers. Not much love for others who don't agree with their view, which isn't scripture or SOP supported.
@@truthstandsforever9924 Answer his question! But no your off in lala land now saying EGW books have been rewritten by Jesuits! Brother seriously....don't bother praying for anyone but yourself.
You cannot prove the trinity through the Bible. You have zero biblical authority to define “Godhead” as “Trinity.” You can’t use the apostle Paul and “every wind of doctrine” text to nullify the anti-trinity movement. It’s not the anti-trinitarians who are infiltrating the church with new doctrine. The SDA Church was founded on the truth of “one true God,” the non-trinitarian God. It was founded on Christ as the only begotten Son, who proceeded from the Father, “tore from His bosom.” It was founded on the the non-person being of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter which proceeded forth from the Father and the Son. The SDA Church was founded by anti-trinity pioneers, and that truth remained up until their deaths. Bill Hughs, “every wind of doctrine” is the teaching of the trinity, the omega of deadly heresy. The trinitarian doctrine IS the infiltrator.
Truth Triumphant Ministries You have to know that this verse was added apart from the Textus Receptus. Christian scholars, even trinitarian scholars, have long dismissed this verse as a part of the original text. Even the SDA commentary on 1 John 5:7 admits as much: “Textual evidence attests (cf. p. 10) the omission of the passage ‘in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in the earth.’” We as Adventist’s have correctly charged other denominations for establishing doctrine on a single verse or passage, and here, we have committed the same error; if this text is even admissible.
"It was founded on Christ as the only begotten Son, who proceeded from the Father" so u are basically saying that Christ came from the Father meaning he was created??? But doesn't revelation 1:8 say something different than what u saying?
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 The SDA bible commentary rejects 1 John 5:7. It is proven to not belong in the Bible. EGW never quotes the passage. Whereas you lean on it quite heavily. And even if you want to use it to give 'support' to your creed, It really does not say more than '3 that bear record'... 3 what?? How can this sit well with you?
@@mrsir8094 What does Rev 1:8 say? Do you really even know? It sounds like not, since you allude to it in a way that it refers to Christ only?? For which you would be very mistaken.
Godhead= God the Father Trinitarians must provide the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible, the chapters and verses that explain the following: 1. There is one God, and He is triune [They are “God-identical but Person-distinct] 2. Jesus is God, yet He is not triune. 3. The Holy Spirit is God, but not Triune. 4. Jesus is a metaphorical Son 5. The Son of God is a job description/roleplay/imaginative Son. 6. Calling or covenantal/agreement identity. 7. A narrative/story identity 8. That the Bible text "Son of God" has nothing to do with [ontology/metaphysics] nature of being and existence. Philosophical explanations are not acceptable. The chapters and verses must be provided only the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible. Most SDA Church members believe in a literal sonship, but the authority of the GC, the BRI argues differently, - they believe in a metaphorical Son. Below is what the SDA hierarchy says - [not the members]. It seems like the hierarchy is the ponéros speaking through the people. [Acts 19:15]. "People expect the General Conference to have the last word and to speak for the Church with ultimate authority.” (General Conference President Neal C. Wilson, Commission Report on Role and Function of Denominational Organizations, 140-85GN, p 22-23, April 30, 1985). Did you get that? - They say “the people expect” - What a blatant lie. - I'd like to see the agreement between the GC and the "people". Additionally, they say that the members must abide by their decisions. “It is our responsibility to study the Scriptures for ourselves, to ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to submit our understandings to those in the church who can judge our findings, and then to abide to the decisions of the church...” (Seventh-day Adventist Church Adult Sabbath School Quarterly, Lesson 13, March 28, 1987, p 92, or p 153 in the Teacher’s Edition). There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus is a metaphorical Son. - Such un-Biblical utterances were made by Manuel Rodriguez [now retired] a Seventh-day Adventist theologian and was the “director” of the Adventist BRI (Biblical Research Institute). In the November 2015 issue of Adventist World on page 42 he wrote the following: "The Son is not the natural, literal Son of the Father. A natural child has a beginning, while within the Godhead the Son is eternal. The term “Son” is used metaphorically when applied to the Godhead. It conveys the ideas of distinction of persons within the Godhead and the equality of nature in the context of an eternal, loving relationship" Likewise, Gerhard Pfandi, says, - "The sonship of Jesus, however, is not ontological, but functional. In the plan of salvation, each member of the trinity has accepted a particular role" - The Trinity in Scripture by Gerhard Pfandi, Biblical Research Institute, Silver Springs, MD, June 1999. Read the following heresy by Professor of Theology and Philosophy, Emeritus, Fernando L. Canale, Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia Volume 12. - He says, “In biblical anthropomorphisms, God reveals what He is and what He can do in terms of human realities. For instance, when God says that He has an arm (Ex. 14:16; Ps. 89:13), He does not mean that He exactly or univocally what we call an arm. The expression signifies that God’s reality is capable of performing all that can be performed by a human arm, and infinitely more. We cannot conceive or imagine the actual structure of God’s reality that allows Him to perform these acts.” Retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) states, - “No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons: - but theological reasoning based on biblical principles leads to that conclusion.” - Kwabena Donkor, retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) Release 9, May 2015, page 20, God in 3 Person - in Theology So, then what is being stated is that “No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons” Then he [Kwabena Donkor] concludes, “theological reasoning based on biblical principles leads to that conclusion.” What a contradiction! - First, he says there is no prooftext - then he contradicts himself by saying theological reasoning based on biblical principle leads to that conclusion. - He should have been a politician Since when does dogma replace scripture? An official Church Publication reads, “If Adventism is to meet the needs of all people around the world, the landmarks must remain simple and straightforward. The Bible will be our only creed. Complex theological definitions, the Trinity, for example, may serve the church well in general but cannot be imposed as a test for all Adventists everywhere.” - The Seventh-day Adventist Church and Certain Private Ministries (NAD 1977), p.50 Adventism can expect fresh insights into truth, ‘present truth’ that will enhance the appreciation of old landmarks. Such an expectation has always been a part of historic Adventism and is reaffirmed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs voted in 1980. When ‘present truth’ is complex, however, it may be more helpful for some in the church than for others. In such a case it cannot be imposed on the church as a whole.” (Ibid). Then they say, - “Remember our non-Trinitarian past as well as the simplicity of our landmarks should encourage a certain humility in the church and lead us to resist any attempt by one segment of the church to impose its views on the rest.” (Ibid) Now, be honest and tell me, is it proper for the GC of the SDA Church to impose its synthesis on members, and expel those who conscientiously do not agree with the church’s reasoning, even though those members accept everything the Bible actually says?
Bill Hughes, please, would you study the first 3 words in the Bible, "In the Beginning" in the ancient pictorial Hebrew, and you may see the beginning and the ending, the first and the last. Shalom.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." My understanding of this verse means that there are 3: the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Counsels on Health p 222- "The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption." Desire of Ages, p 671, and Review and Herald, 05-19-1904, paragraph 3- "Sin could only be resisted and overcome through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of the divine power." This is the foundation I build on. The Bible says 3, so I take that to mean 3--when it says those 3 are the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit--I likewise believe those 3 are those names mentioned. As a Bible-believing Christian, I trust that the word of God and spirit of prophecy have been clear on this issue. God Bless friend.
Truth Triumphant Ministries + The SDA Bible Commentary vol 7 pg675 advices against the use of 1john 5:7 and the higher percentage of theologians also disclaim it because of its doubtful emergence . May I also point out that that text does not mention each of them as Gods, otherwise you will have to read the following verse (which is purported to be the real expression )and conclude that there are 6 to worship. Just like Kellogg’s Living Temple, the Ellen White quotes you give to support the Trinity have been taken out of their context. There are 100s Of quotes from the books and writings you have mentioned that actually negates the 3-4 you have posted. God bless.
My question is about "the first and the last" The One who walked with Adam and Eve in the garden, in the cool of the day, is the same One who will take His bride back to His Fathers house. Shalom.
I'm sorry friend, I disagree. This is a VERY slippery slope. Must I now fact check everything I learn against the "higher percentage of theologians". Beware the theologians; Jesus warned against them in His day, MANY of the "higher percentage of theologians" are absolutely lost in regards to the 3 angel's messages, antichrist, mark of the beast, seal of God, etc. A plain "thus saith the Lord"---read it for yourself, do you naturally come to another conclusion than 3? Or has some theologian trained you mind against a childlike faith in the word of God? Are you building on the Word, the foundation, or sinking sand? Is your trust in men or Scripture? What other passages are you going to omit because you don't agree with them? Jesus fought the Devil with an "as it is written". The Bible says (NOT THE SCHOLARS): "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17). If we do not know what verses we can trust or not without seeking the council of the scholars then my conscience is ruled by men instead of Christ. Think cause to effect--where does your thought process finally take you? To more trust and confidence in God's word? Or less and less and less, until you cannot read the Bible without questioning every passage's validity? Prov. 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." Col. 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." Rom. 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written" Prov. 3:5-6 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Luke 18:17 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein." Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." www.gospel-herald.com/walper_ann/holy_spirit_egw.htm
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20} T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
The true God in 1 John 5:20 is the Father. You can see it by reading it. You can see it by reading the 2 verses preceding it. You can see it when comparing to John 17:3...Jesus praying to his Father, 'And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,' So we have the same theme here as 1 John 5:20. We have the same God here. The Father. And yes...written by the same writer...John. Amen?
Pastor Bill appears to exalt himself and put others down. I have confidence in Pastor Mark Findly, I think Mark was saying that as SDA's we also believe in 3 persons of the Godhead, that does not mean that we believe everything else about those 3 as the Catholic church does. So it's easy to twist a statement to make it say what you want and to stretch it beyond its original intent. Mark has been around too long as an Evangelist to be discredited by Bill. Bill from what I can gather has his own unique problems, when he says SDA pastors are bound by their paychecks to keep from speaking the truth is a lie, and again, it sets him up as the only righteous one in Israel. There is a reason why he left the organized work and I find problems with his attacks and his own righteousness.
ruclips.net/video/8SwpO9-OHck/видео.html If Finley is true representative of our Lord then he would rebuke the stage setting and tilt them over as Jesus did. Rebuke the sins of backsliding people who think they are truly SDA. Jesus is the true SDA not the denomination. Genesis 2:2-3, Genesis 3:15, John 14:3, John 14:28. I believe GC leaders and pastors are worrying about their career more than speaking of truth and following it. When I spoke to GC SDA church about the apostasy in SDA, members worrying about pastors' paycheck as well as women elders (against the Bible).
David, research this when you can. The SDA conference church does believe in the exact same Trinity as does the Catholic Church. Their Trinity symbols (triangles, etc.) are identical. Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/Ck63GgtungU/видео.html
He is manipulating the Scriptures to finally come out with the same Doctrine as the Catholic church; THE TRINITY. SAME THING, THE TRINITY IS THE TRINITY!
Juan Diaz + Pastor Bill Hughes once did an expose on Ted Wilson titled, “Ted Wilson, Saint or Snake”? I wonder how he looks at himself knowing he is twisting the Bible and SOP and misleading those people listening to him? I use to have great respect for him but this is God reiterating that no man should be trusted.
Juan Diaz - The trinity of 3 separate divine beings (persons) is the truth. We cannot understand it other than through how Christ explained marriage - 2 flesh becoming 1 when you marry someone that shares your faith and love for the triune God and are the same in purpose - wanting to do only the will of God which is reflected in His law. “Let US make man in our image, and in our likeness” clearly denotes a plural Godhead. All 3 participated in Creation. Father God was the architect, Jesus God was the master builder, and Holy Spirit God hovered over the deep. God could not be LOVE if he were a singular. Think a thing thru to the end and one can clearly see that only a multiple Godhead could really be love. Love and submission to each other because they share the same spirit, mind, character and purpose. There is no superiority in a triune Godhead because each personality wants to bring and give glory to the other. The are mutually ‘other’ centered - not self-centered. They fully practice what they teach. The Catholic trinity is NOT the same because they believe in only one entity with 3 faces or facets - not 3 separate entities which have their own unique role and are fully satisfied with that role or dimension. The Catholic Church has usurped the importance of Christ’s role and replaced it with Mary. In their belief, Christ is only the sacrifice, but Mary is the redeemer. She is the one that makes intercession for us to God. They ave a sick twisted and delusional concept of triune Godhead and simply choose to place Mary in Christ’s role of being our intercessor. However, they really don’t have need of any intercessor in their pagan beliefs because the pope THINKS he is God on earth and only he and his priests can forgive sin and the pope is ultimately the JUDGE of all doctrine and people. The Catholic Church has on record that the pope claims that anything he does on this earth - God HAS to abide by, since he is successor of the unbroken apostolic line. It is complete DELUSION. But God will allow Satan to deceive and delude you because you do not WANT the simple truth the God has provided us in His word. You want to believe what pleases your ears and deceitful heart - just like Pharaoh did, and just like the religious leaders in Christ’s day did. You want YOUR will to be done - not God’s. You have been easily bamboozled by wicked, false teachers who twist the Word of God and the SOP to say what Satan has put in their egotistical minds and deluded them with. Go and read all that God had Moses write because every truth of the Bible can be found in the the Torah and the book of Job. It is all there, if you really desire to see it. The triune Godhead is ONE God, because in God’s perfection 1 + 1 + 1 = ONE. All 3 divine beings are from everlasting to everlasting. Man, with his finite mind, cannot understand this. We must accept it by faith. Faith is what enables us to trust and obey our loving God and Creator.
The Way + You just go on and on without even knowing the basic facts. You definitely don’t know the RCC definition of Trinity..... which is even better than the present SDA Trinity doctrine. You need to show how the phrase “let us” depict the plurality of the numbers you have calculated,1+1+1=ONE; even a 3years old child will tell you THREE. I am sorry you don’t know the basic language of the Bible and that is why your arguments with your unsubstantiated texts don’t explain anything. If you truly want to know the number of THEM who are involved in creation just read Proverbs 30:4..... come back and tell me your arithmetic calculus
@@chikechike-michael4295, do you believe that Ellen White was inspired or not? If the trinity was ever an issue, don't you think that this would have come up during the Sunday Blair bill crisis when Sabbath keepers were fined and put in chain gangs in North America? All of a sudden we have some higher knowledge after 150 years of church history? I don't think so. Note the following... "The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth - loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all imaginary. 1888 518.2 Now at the present time God designs a new and fresh impetus shall be given to His work. Satan sees this, and he is determined it shall be hindered. He knows that if he can deceive the people who claim to believe present truth, [and make them believe] that the work the Lord designs to do for His people is a removing of the old landmarks, something which they should, with most determined zeal, resist, then he exults over the deception he has led them to believe. The work for this time has certainly been a surprising work of various hindrances, owing to the false setting of matters before the minds of many of our people. That which is food to the churches is regarded as dangerous, and should not be given them. And this slight difference of ideas is allowed to unsettle the faith, to cause apostasy, to break up unity, to sow discord, all because they do not know what they are striving about themselves. Brethren, is it not best to be sensible? Heaven is looking upon us all, and what can they think of recent developments? While in this condition of things, building up barriers, we not only deprive ourselves of great light and precious advantages, but just now, when we so much need it, we place ourselves where light cannot be communicated from heaven that we ought to communicate to others." 1888 518.3
Let no one venture to explain God. Human beings cannot explain themselves, and how, then, dare they venture to explain the Omniscient One? Satan stands ready to give such ones false conceptions of God. MM 92.1
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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I cor 8:6 "But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him."
Jesus in the river being baptized by John...Father says “This is my son in whom I Am well pleased”...Holy Spirit released in the form of the Dove...3 in 1
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20}
T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
Amen brother
1 Cor 8:6 correct reading is....
"But to us [there is but] ONE GOD THE FATHER, of whom...."
There's no comma between God and The Father. ONE GOD THE FATHER is A SINGLE Phrase....
@@TruthSetFree-zm1epThe heavens were opened, and beams of light and glory proceeded therefrom and assumed the form of a dove, in appearance like burnished gold. The dove-like form was emblematical of the meekness and gentleness of Christ. (Youth’s Instructor, Mar 1, 1874 Par. 4)
Pastor Hughes,
I'm still perplexed why God uses vertical relationship terminology while pulpits shout horizontal relationship.
• God says Jesus is his beloved Son.
• Satan and Demons know Jesus as the Son of God.
• Paul tells us Jesus is the Son of God.
• Jesus says he is the Son of God.
• Jesus tells parables regarding a Son.
• The Old Testament is known for its "begottens".
• If God’s creation beget after each kind, why can’t Deity (God the Father) beget a Son also of Deity?
• If Jesus isn’t the Son of God as the Bible says, do we conclude he is also NOT the Son of Man?
With all the Biblical proof, why is it so difficult for you to say Jesus is the Son of the Living God?
Much, much more on this subject, but i will refrain for now.
What Does BEGOTTEN Mean
In PARALLELISM the speaker uses a word to describe a thought or action then in the same or following verse uses a different word to describe the same action.
Easton’s 1828 Bible Dictionary: PARALLELISM, n. State of being parallel. 1. Resemblance; equality of state; comparison.
There is a lot of confusion within Adventism as to what “BEGOTTEN” means. Begotten, brought forth, bring forth, came forth, beget, issue from and conceived all have reference to being BORN see the following verses. The Bible uses parallelism so that words may be understood in their proper context.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Num 11:12 Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?
Ecc 5:14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand.
Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.
Gen 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
Isa 39:7 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.
Jesus said:
Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30. {PP 34.1}
Pro 8:22-31 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Strong’s possessed: 07069 qanah {kaw-naw'}
…1a1a) of God originating, creating, redeeming His people …
The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. {1890 EJW, CHR 21.2}
But the point is that Christ is a begotten Son and not a created subject. He has by inheritance a more excellent name than the angels; He is "a Son over His own house." Heb. 1:4; 3:6. And since He is the only-begotten son of God, He is of the very substance and nature of God and possesses by birth all the attributes of God, for the Father was pleased that His Son should be the express image of His Person, the brightness of His glory, and filled with all the fullness of the Godhead….{1890 EJW, CHR 22.1}
I love how brother Bill explained the topic.
I was looking for different lectures on the subject and Bill explained it, clear, without any intention to attack others or made an "enemy list (or promoting ministries who works as gangsters)" or consider himself as the owner of the truth.
We need more brothers who have such talent and the evidence of the communion with God, to explain complicated and plain truths with simple words.
John 17.1 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Amen brother. --- 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Thanks Pastor Hughes. Most Seventh Day Adventists don't really understand the difference between Godhead and Trinity.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Mathew 3: 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
John 20:16 "Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God."
Yes, Jesus Christ has a a God, which automatically debunks the Catholic dogma of the Trinity. There is another verse wherein Christ says 4 times that he has a God:
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD: and I will write upon him my new name" Revelation 3:12
NONE of the apologists of the Trinity never mentions these verses.
@@Edupier SDA doesn't believe in the trinity, that's catholic teaching. SDA believes in the Godhead.
To answer the verses you quoted I will quote Paul, who is speaking about the Father:
Heb 1:8-9
"But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Here the Father calls Jesus His God. Think about that one. Jesus calls the Father God and the Father calls Jesus God. So there's nothing wrong when Jesus calls the Father God.
Danial... you should watch this video... ruclips.net/video/Ck63GgtungU/видео.html
@@danialdaoud Why fool yourself Daniel.
The Father calls Jesus 'O God' because he is above man and angels.
For God also called Moses a god. How do you explain that?
Is Moses the god of God the Father?
This is in essence what you are suggesting. And based on your argument he is!
Let us read from Exodus 7:1
"And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god [ elohiym ] to pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."
So then...Moses is a god. And Jesus is a God.
It is for you to determine in what sphere and position each are 'a god'.
Instead of camping on a verse, study scripture in context.
This way you guard yourself from fooling yourself.
Amen?
Bill, in effect you are saying that the anti- Trinitarian position that was taught in our 1872-1946 statement of beliefs is garbage, and an “assault on the 3 angels message.” You are saying that Adventism was “leading thousands of people astray” until we became Trinitarian. We did not vote in the Trinity, as it is currently taught, until 1980. (The 1946 statement can be taken either way. I smell a Jesuit....)Did God lie to our pioneers when they were “seeking for truth as for hidden treasure?” They moved forward from those truth seeking meetings as non-Trinitarian people. If you have looked into our history at all you must know this. Walter Martin picked it out of our books immediately. Was EGW wrong when she said that in Proverbs chapter 8 Jesus was speaking about himself? Bill, as a Trinitarian, you have a Father who is only a metaphor, a son who is only a metaphor, and a son who cannot die for you. Our pioneers knew all this. Please go back with an open mind and look to see how the pioneers arrived at the non- Trinitarian position. Ask for the old paths.......do not continue preaching Babylon’s god..... Adventism was considered a cult while we were non Trinitarian, but Froom and Walter Martin brought us into popularity with the acceptance of the trinity. Please study more....
Steve Fitzgerald Hi Steve, you are speaking truth. Thanks for your input. Please send me your email address when you can. I would like to send you some other supporting docs.
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2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Im sorry your are still trinitarian. Elder Froom added the holy trio and it was not from E G White. When our Pioneers died our books were altered. And new books were written. There is no three persons.
1 John 1:3
that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellows
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Walter Martin and Leroy Froom both knew Ellen G White and the early adventist movement was not trinitarian. Walter Martin was going to expose this in his book about cults. You have covered both Leroy Froom and Walter Martin but failed to mention this.
Truthstandsforever, How did you know? Because Methodist Church was anti-trinitarian?
Exactly, Proverbs 8 in the original language (hebrew) shows the Christ literally came out of the Father, his Divinity is based on His Divine substance and not being coexistent by the Father
@@paulj6720 ahhhh ok...now Jesus is not God! You started with the Holy Spirit not being God but your ''growing' and advancing'' to now include the Son. Soon you'll will be fellowshiping with the JW's.
Bono lib + can you show us that you came into existence without a father & mother? If you came into existence through your father, Can you tell us how he is no longer your father or that you are the same person known as your father? If that isn’t possible to prove, then tell us how you and your father are mates(co-equal) and you were born the same time as your father and then prove that he is not really your father and you’re not really his son in a physical literal sense and that your father -Son relationship is only a metaphor and that you and your father both decided to play those roles of father and son?
In the Bible, The Father says “My Only Begotten Son “ , and the Son says “ My Father has sent me..... further says My Father is greater than I “; I don’t know how that is difficult to understand and accept!
You and your father share the nature of HUMANITY and that human nature makes you equal. Your father is human and you are human. God and His Son are DIVINE. That is what makes them equal and that is why Jesus Christ inherited everything from the Father because it is His by natural inheritance. Are they co-equal? No. Every word of scripture on that issue disagrees. The Father existed before the Son. Please read Romans 1:20. God bless you
AMEN
The most important thing of the Bible is about the God we serve even with the Sunday law. John 17:3 How can you know God, if your God is a mystery?
If the day we keep is more important,then the God you serve, then the creation is more important than the creator..
The day is not more important than God. However, the day we keep proves that we acknowledge the Creator. Sabbath is important because God said it was. Keeping that day is proof that we love Him. "If you love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15)
You’re right Karolyn. John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, and Revelation 21:22; all confirm that God is the Father, NOT the Son. Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father, the Son of God. If you would like to see more verses that support these facts, please email me at RobsMail3@Yahoo.com
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 Ok...then why offend the greatest of commandments? The very first commandment.
You serve a 3 god god.
God calls this a false god.
You worship a false god on the correct day.
You pray to a 3 god god.
Jesus prayed to One God, who he called his Father.
You claim a 3 god god created man.
The Bible and EGW say that the Father created by his Son.
You 3 god god sits on the throne in heaven.
Our Bible tells us that the Father only has a throne of which the Son sits on his right.
Can you show us where this 'God the Holy Spirit' is sitting? Is it on the left?
Show us Pastor Bill.
"Original unborrowed underived..." Bill please do a search...find out from the same author that this kind of life will given to the redeemed!
Yes but it will not be Originally ours now will it?
We won't be able to say as Jesus did
John 11:25 “I am the resurrection, and the life.
Now in context
“Jesus declared, “I am the resurrection, and the life.” IN CHRIST IS LIFE, ORIGINAL, UNBORROWED, UNDERIVED. “He that hath the Son hath life.” The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life.-The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)” {Evangelism, p. 61)
What did she say? the divinity of Christ is our assurance! Amen
So Sad..... Brother Bill. In these Last days, defending the true nature of God, will be the most important calling. God seeks people who will worship Him in Truth and Spirit. "I am come in my Fathers name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. The God of the Sabbath is NOT the god of sun worship. The trinity destroys the true character and personality of Christ. The KJV Bible is consistantly non-trinitarian.
truthstandsforever, Father-Son movement brings holocaust of destructions to the plan of redemption!
Wuke Anto How so? Clearly Jesus said, "And this is life eternal, that they might know (1) thee the only true God (Our Father who art in Heaven), and (2) Jesus Christ (the Son of the Living God), whom thou hast sent."
John 17:3 KJV
It's amazing how the Holy Spirit is denied in all of these debates. Quite telling actually. What happened to the Comforter whom Jesus sends in His own name? How does Jesus send another Jesus, a force, in His place? That was the root of the pantheistic ideas of Kellogg and delving into unknown territory that is not expressly revealed, and then creating a creed about it. That is Catholicism at the heart of this movement that divides the body of the Remnant that has a calling in Revelation chapter 10 to focus on the little book of Daniel 8, not the theological surmisings of what makes up God, but who is the king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences who by peace destroys many through his policy in contradiction to the law of God. The character of Christ versus the character of anti-christ.
@@randyfoon3165 In the very next verse Jesus clarifies his statement and tells the Disciples that it is He, Himself who will come to them.
Praise God, and thank you Pastor.
Amen
One Spirit, one Holy Spirit *proceeding from God,* is dwelling in the hearts of all, imparting a life-giving power to all 15LtMs, Lt 71, 1900, par. 5
So *the Holy Spirit, proceeding from the Saviour,* pervades the soul, renews the motives, and brings even the thoughts into obedience to the will of God TT 150.4
The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, *gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person,* and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. RH July 9, 1895, par. 13
The Lord is soon to come. *We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give.* It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. *We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ* 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
*The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.* Their holy banner is to be exalted above all the greatness of the greatest men, above all the honour and glory of the world. PrT April 26, 1900, par. 1
Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than *the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.* YI July 7, 1898, par. 2
God's advise is....
Then let every man read, study, and search the Scriptures for himself and take nothing as infallible but the Word that you can see for yourself, after much prayer and searching in an humble, teachable spirit. God has given no man a right to set himself up as a standard of doctrine.
Many have believed some things as truth because men whom they believed to be led of God have declared them to be truth; but were they? Was all they held in doctrine true? No! Time has shown that men who feared God have made mistakes in their interpretation of Scriptures. Some parts were not understood, and the next generation have, through diligent searching, come to a knowledge of the truth; advanced light has been presented, but they did not have all the light. The next generation saw increased light and then there was a going forward from light to a greater light. 1888 835.1 - 1888 835.2
“The Holy Spirit … personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality.” {Ms93-1893.8}
“Evil had been accumulating for centuries, and could only be restrained and resisted by the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead,…” {Lt8-1896.2}
“… we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes,” {Ms66-1899.11}
“When you gave yourself to Christ, you made a pledge in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -the three great personal dignitaries of heaven. “Hold fast” to this pledge.” {Ms92-1901.5}
“The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God.” {Ms20-1906.32}
“There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” {Bible Training School, March 1, 1906, par. 2}
Father, Son, AND Holy Ghost are expressly taught in the Holy Scriptures. Who can possibly want to go against that.. Peace and Love to all!! Bro. Rudy Leacock...
The sunday sabbath and the trinity were both adopted into Chistianity 321AD. by Constantine
It is written, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
NO TRINITY SEE MY COMMENT
@@mimijuneau5187 why why do you believe a lie cant you see where this is heading???
Sunday laws are coming swiftly. We must focus on true unity and upon the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus!
Randy Foon - Amen. Satan is working so hard to keep us distracted by issues that lead NOT to salvation. We need to keep Christ Jesus in our sites and Him only. He is our blessed hope - and only He can SAVE us to the uttermost. We must remain in the the ‘ark’ of God’s remnant church and build up our leaders and pray earnestly for them - not tear them down. God is aware of all, but most especially each one’s heart. God will deal with all and He will guide and protect his church - his true followers through the storms ahead. But, we must remain in the ‘ship’ he raised up and provided us with. The ship will suffer damage, but it WILL make it through. Pastor Bill - please get back into the ship and let God be the judge. We must love and pray for our enemies because our enemies are really God’s enemies, and praying for them will make us less apt to judge them and will make us have the love of God in us and working through us. Our hearts must mirror God’s attributes of character, or we just delude ourselves.
Bill Hughes cannot get back on the GC ship. He was disfellowshipped for preaching the 3 Angels messages. He was told to stop by his Conference. The ship that goes through isn't any more visible than the seal of God or the mark of the beast.
@@johnjohnsick2697 , wrong.
The trinity is a non-issue, not one of the pillars of the faith. People who try to define God and put Him into some sort of box by definition are doing exactly what those church fathers attempted to do by making a creed concerning Christ. The Trinity, supposed by accusers of the brethren, is not defined the same as the Catholic trinity. I don't know one single SDA who believes in 3 gods. This is part of the fanaticism and side issues plainly laid out by the Spirit of Prophecy.
"It is the desire and plan of Satan to bring in among us those who will go to great extremes - people of narrow minds, who are critical and sharp, and very tenacious in holding their own conceptions of what the truth means. They will be exacting, and will seek to enforce rigorous duties, and go to great lengths in matters of minor importance, while they neglect the weightier matters of the law - judgment and mercy and the love of God. Through the work of a few of this class of persons, the whole body of Sabbath keepers will be designated as bigoted, pharisaical, and fanatical. The work of the truth, because of these workers, will be thought to be unworthy of notice." - The Review and Herald, May 29, 1888.
Superimposing what you think another person believes in by attempting to build up a mass of evidence which really only shows the fanatical and narcissistic control over those whom you disagree with, just proves not my point, but the point of Ellen White's guidance in context. It is very convenient to completely ignore what she clearly stated are the pillars of Adventism in which there is no mention whatsoever of a creed regarding the Godhead.
correct... Kellogg brought much of the heresies into the church... including the Trinity...So after watching this not sure where he stands but believe he is stands with the Trinity?
I do not
I was born into a SDA family and always believed in the ‘trinity: god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit” doctrine until recently; however, studying the Scriptures with the Spirit of Prophecy and our Pioneers beliefs, I can wholeheartedly say I was dead wrong and all those who believe as such are wrong, too, as the trinity doctrine is a false doctrine which was brought into the church primarily by LeRoy Froom whom I found out was a Jesuit Catholic priest and more likely joined the SDA church for the sole purpose to deceive and mislead many thus leading them to perdition. Please study the Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy diligently with prayer and find out for yourself that NONE of our Pioneers, including Sister White, believed in the trinity. For example, she refuted Dr Kellog and a preacher by the name Chapman who came to believe in “god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit”, three gods in unity or “triune god”, thus “god the holy spirit” being a different person from the Father and the Son [Jesus Christ.] Here just a few quotes from Sister White and some of our Pioneers on this matter, which trinitarians are ignoring if not despising:
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall [although unseen by you] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ... Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” {Lt119-1895.18}
"The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both. . . . none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will" (PP, p. 36).
"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, "Let us make man in our image." (ST Jan. 9, 1879; par. 13).
"In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation." (DA p.769, par.2).
“The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. Ellen White, Upward Look, page 367
“Christ has given HIS Spirit as a divine power.” - (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)
“How few realize that Jesus, unseen, is walking by their side!” - (E.G. White, 14MR 125.3)
“He [Christ] is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the HOLY SPIRIT,” - (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897)
“The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God; it is also the Spirit of Christ.” U. Smith, GC Daily Bulletin, Vol. 4, March 1891, pp. 146, 147
“Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.” E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p. 23, 1890
“We learn from this language that when we speak of the Spirit of God we are really speaking of his presence and power.” J. N. Loughborough, Review & Herald, September 13, 1898
“The divine Spirit that the world’s Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God.” Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891
“We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” E. G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894
This is another statement of Sister White which says, I quote:
“Before the entrance of evil, there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator’s will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial. Christ the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,-one in nature, in character, and in purpose,-the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (Great Controversy, 493)
If the trinity is true, then, how is it that Christ was the ONLY BEING in all the universe that could enter into ALL THE COUNSELS and PURPOSES of God? Where was ’god the holy spirit?’ After all, if he is ‘god’ being co-eternal and co-equal with the Father, how is it that he could not enter into all the counsels and purposes of God?
We MUST be very careful in what we believe as the devil is running to and fro on the face of this earth to deceive as many as he can. Therefore, study the Scriptures, the Spirit of Prophecy and the beliefs of our Pioneers for yourselves and let none foul you. We need to do like the Bereans, who went home and studied the Scriptures for themselves to see if it were so!
AMEN RUDOLF YOU UNDERSTAND VERY VERY WELL THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, DEUT 6; 4 ONE SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST AND THE SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND HIS HOLY SON SO SIMPLE A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND
@@mimijuneau5187 Yes, you are absolutely right, even a child can understand it. But what saddens me the most is that our ministers either do not understand this clear and simple truth or ignore this for the sake of their salaries. I guess many independent ministries, too, are so money driven that they are trading in their eternal lives for their fame and donations which, if they would stand up for the truth, they would loose.
We need to keep them in our prayers.
@@rudolfberki8683 So when scripture says these three bear witness it actually means these 2 bear witness? Ohhh ok lol
@@mrsir8094 First of all, 1 John 5:7 is not found in early manuscripts. But even if it is, 1 John 5:7 does not prove, does not even hint the trinity. This scripture does not say: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are one or are the triune God; what this scripture does say is that the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost bear record in heaven, and these three are one.
But let's read 1 John 5:10. It reads, I quote,
"He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
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What does it say? It says, '... the record that God gave of his Son'. Who gave the record of His So? Is it the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost? No! God Himself.
But let's see who is the Word and who is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit.
I am sure you would agree that the Word is none other than Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God.
But who is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit?
The Scriptures clearly and plainly spells that out which many miss or want to miss to prove the trinity doctrine.
In Acts 20:28 we read, I quote,
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
Now let's analyse this text. What does it say? It says 'the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers'. And, according to Paul, who is the Holy Ghost? '... he [who, that is Jesus Christ] hath purchased with his own blood', (added words mine for clarification.)
So let's read 1 John 5:7 keeping the above in mind.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Son [Jesus Christ,] and the Son [Jesus Christ:] and these three are one."
And now let's read John 10:30 and 17:11 which read, I quote,
"I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." (John 17:11)
According to John, who are one? The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost? Or the Father and Him? How many, two or three? Two!
But there is more. For example, Galatians 4:6 which reads, I quote,
"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
How does this scripture read? Does it read, 'God hath sent forth God the Spirit into your hearths? Or does it say, 'God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts.'
But Galatians 4:6 begs at least three questions.
1. Is the Son of God holy? I am sure you would answer, Yes!
2. If the Son of God is holy, then, is the Spirit of His Son holy? Again, I believe you would answer, Yes!
3. Now if the Spirit of the Son of God is holy, would it be fair to say that, God hath sent forth the Holy Spirit of His Son into your hearts? Absolutely!
Therefore trinity DOES NOT make sense. We mustn't be confused.
(All quotes from KJV.)
@@mimijuneau5187 Amen!
Blessed to spot this Teaching this Sabbath in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. There are many disagreements expressed here, I am pleading with you all to also comments on other Videos and be bold to Share as Bill is Dedicated to The 3 Angels Messages which is seldom preached in modern SDA churches. BLESSINGS
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Watch out sister, is not a true doctrine. Is full of confusion. The Spirit is the Spirit of God and / or the Spirit of Christ
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Math 26: 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
Amen. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Thanks Pastor Bill.
So, the first 10 minutes was off the topic. Bill Hughes was simply buttering up the audience.
-- This man is bringing in a lot of his opinions and the Word of God say something else.
I would like to add this. Sadly the majority of SDAs, unknowingly confess and worship the same 'triune god' as any other major denomination in the world. Please do your own research and be a faithful Barean.
On Global Christian Forum website you find, I quote,
"Guiding Purpose Statement
The Guiding Purpose Statement agreed upon at the Pasadena meeting of 2002 was affirmed in 2007 at the first Global Gathering at Limuru:
To create an open space wherein representatives from a broad range of Christian churches and inter-church organizations, which confess the triune God and Jesus Christ as perfect in His divinity and humanity, can gather to foster mutual respect, to explore and address together common challenges. ..."
www.globalchristianforum.org/statement.html
and among the participants is the:
"Seventh-day Adventist Church
SDA General Conference USA
SDA General Conference Kenya
SDA General Conference USA"
www.globalchristianforum.org/participants.html
Now ask the question, whom do these participants, (Christian churches and inter-church organizations,) confess? They confess 'the triune God'! And who are among these participants? The SDA General Conference!
So, again, the question is, does the SDA General Conference confess 'the triune god'? YES! And who is this triune god? It is 'god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit', a false pagan god, that is the 'sun god', which is nothing else but sun worship found in Ezekiel 8:16.
If THIS doesn't open our eyes, believe me nothing would!
Pastor Hughes said that Jesus is eternal as the Father is eternal, called co-eternal and co-equal; however the Scripture and the SOP disagrees with him.
In John 5:26 I read, I quote,
"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"
What did Jesus say? Jesus said, He has been 'given ... to have life in himself'.
Please note, He said 'to the Son', and not to someone else.
And God had a Son before He sent Him into our world. Please read the following scriptures:
"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his [God the Father] fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his [the Ftaher's] name, and what is his son's [the Son of God] name, if thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4) (Emphasis mine.)
"And again, when he [God the Father] bringeth in the firstbegotten [His only begotten Son] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him [the Son]." (Hebrews 1:6; also John 3:16)
And the pen of Inspiration has this to say, I quote,
"The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by Him as His right. This was no robbery of God. “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way,” He declares, “before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth” (Proverbs 8:22-27). {1SM 247.4}
(Please note, it doesn't say 'throughout eternity' but 'from' eternity; otherwise it would conflict with her other statements.)
“In order that man might be placed on vantage ground with God, Christ, the only only begotten Son of God, MADE IN HIS EXPRESS IMAGE, came to this world and in the likeness of humanity lived a perfect life. “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” The power that enabled Him to overcome, He has placed at our disposal. In His strength we may be victors in the conquest against evil. He said, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne.” {Ms127-1905.14} (Emphasis mine.)
“The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. He is willing to do more, “more than we can ask or think.” An inspired writer asks a question which should sink deep into every heart: “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?” Shall not every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ say, “Since God has done so much for us, how shall we not, for Christ’s sake, show our love to him by obedience to his commandments, by being doers of his word, by unreservedly consecrating ourselves to his service?” {RH July 9, 1895, par. 13) (Emphasis mine.)
“The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, SHOULD BE EQUAL WITH HIMSELF; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father’s will would be fulfilled in him. {1SP 17.2} {SR 13.2} (Emphasis mine.)
“If it were not for the light that is given us from above, we could not follow step by step in the footprints of Jesus. Christ came to this world in order that we might have this light. He is “the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” He, the Majesty of heaven, the Son of the living God, the One equal with the Father, came to our world to stand by the side of fallen beings, through His sacrifice giving value to humanity. Lower and still lower He stepped in humiliation, until it was impossible for Him to descend any lower. For our sake He suffered and died. While hanging upon the cross, He exclaimed, “It is finished.” He had accomplished His work for us; He had become the propitiation for our sins; He had made it possible for us to be accepted of God through faith in the atoning merits of the Crucified One. {ST June 3, 1903, par. 3} (Emphasis mine.)
Please note, it says, “He, the Majesty of heaven, the Son of the living God, the One equal with the Father, came to our world…”
He was equal with God: “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father.” - (E.G. White, 8T 268.3)
“By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by is divinity, He lay hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey…” ― (DA, p. 7, par. 1)
Below Ellen White literally states that there was a time that Christ did not exist but it was so far back in time that we would be exhausted from the research trying to work out when that time was.
“Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” - (E.G. White, 7BC 919.5)
(Please read also the first chapter in Patriarchs and Prophets, “Why Was Sin Permitted”, where the author makes clear the position of Christ, as being “the only begotten of God.” Further she states that, “The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings.” [Colossians 1:16 quoted])
So the Scriptures and SOP clearly reveal to us TWO divine beings, and not three: God the Father and the [only begotten] Son of God; and the Holy Spirit throughout IS referred as the Spirit of God and of the Son, or Lord Jesus Christ.
How could anyone ignore these? But I believe we reached that point of time when we, SDAs, MUST realise and accept the fact that we have been misled and deceived by some wolves in sheep clothing, (and hireling shepherds,) who entered the church and brought in false teachings, especially the trinity: “god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit” doctrine. And I believe this is already happening within the church where a polarization is clearly seen between those who worship the only true God and Jesus Christ, (John 17:3), for ‘this is life eternal’, that is ‘Salvation.’
We must be very careful how we interpret Scriptures and the SOP.
(All scriptures quoted from KJV.)
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Thank you Pastor Hughes! Now I fully understand about the Holy Spirit. In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen!❤
Luke 10: 21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
Beautiful, Amen brother
This is profound: The Greatest Commandment
(Deuteronomy 6:1-19; Matthew 22:34-40)
28Now one of the scribes had come up and heard their debate. Noticing how well Jesus had answered them, he asked Him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”
29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’e 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’f No other commandment is greater than these.”
32“Right, Teacher,” the scribe replied. “You have stated correctly that God is One and there is no other but Him, 33and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34When Jesus saw that the man had answered wisely, He said, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
And no one dared to question Him any further.
Pastor Bill also forgot about the endless cites from the Pioneers. And that is unacceptable!
YOU SO MUCH NEED TO SEPARATE THE TAKING AWAY THE OLD-TEN COMMANDMENTS COVENANT- AND ESTABLISHING THE NEW HEBREWS CHAPTER 10 VERSE 9. When the phrase 'in ... law' (the, your ....) is used the Old Testament covenant is referenced WHEN the 'law' phrase is absent it MAY BE NOT referencing the Old.
The Shema 'The LORD our GodElohim is oneechad LORD' and the two greatest commands are under the Old Testament covenant BUT there are two Gods who make up the new John 5th chapter verse 23 'that all should honor the Son even as they honor the Father John chapter 5 verse 23 John chapter 17 verse 3 'and this is life eternal that they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent'. As Jesus was taught by the Father Jn8:54,28 he, Jesus, and the Father are two men Scripturally which is by the 'law' meaning each has his own material body which is a soul and has a rhuach spirit formed within him Zechariah chapter 12 verse 1 with Genesis chapter 2nd verse 7.
Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].
It is so clear the way you put it across. So many only take the bits they feel conformable with or that suits their own prepaid conceived opinions. Praise be to God, praise wonderful Jesus and blessed be the sacred wonderfully mysterious Holy Spirit!
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
In the Greek Godhead means divinity. No numbers attached. Ellen White says third person of the Godhead, never first person, or second person.
Discussions around the Trinity often quickly become a mess due to a couple of typical misunderstandings:
Most non-trinitarians I have met do not believe that the Son is created. We believe that He is born of the Father. We are made of the soil that we stand upon. The Son is of the same nature as the Father. When He became the Son of Man through birth by Mary He connected the divine with the human. What an amazing and completely overwhelming truth! Because the Son is born of the Father He is divine.
One other typical misunderstanding is that non-trinitarians do not believe that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. Matthew 10:20 says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father: "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." Also Galatians 4:6 says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son: "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." So clearly, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. Also it is clear that the Spirit is a third person of the Godhead because He is being sent by both the Father and the Son: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26). "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: " (John 15:26)
Non trinitarians believe Jesus was born of the Father? Lol that's the same thing as saying Jesus was created from the Father.... unbiblical
The Table of Shew Bread in the Sanctuary = 2 crowned edges, 2 stacks of bread, 6 in each stack.....................now what can this all mean?
Revelation
The table of shew bread was in the side of the north, had 4 sides.
Six days of creation, Father and Son.
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Math 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
There’s no such thing as three persons in a godhead. The fullness of the Godhead dwell in Christ, which means the father dwell in Christ. Jesus said, whatever I do I do because the father is in me. The bible is to be read with clarity and we should teach sound Doctrine 🙏🏾
This is absolutely true! Here he is teaching error! "For as the Father has life in Himself, so Has he given to the Son to have life in Himself." John 5; 26.
Jechonias Azor There’s only one God, the God of Jesus and us all
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image
Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Mark 1:10-12 (KJV)
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
@@desmondhewitt9683 The Bible says 3 bear record in heaven.... Father Son and Holy Spirit
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20}
T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
Excellent! Whatever we experience (good or bad) we can be totally sure that indeed THE truth WILL be triumphant, even the "Truth WITHOUT Compromise"
The Trinity dogma or the 3-headed god denies what Jesus and the Apostles clearly taught: there is only one true God, God the Father.
JESUS
"And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" jOHN 3:17
THE APOSTLES
"But TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" 1 Corinthians 8:6
It's sad to see wonderful and sincere pastors like Pastor Hughes to stand up against Jesus and the Apostles.
Mrs. White says the Holy Spirit is the 3rd Person of the Godhead:
Review and Herald, January 27, 1903, paragraph 9- "The salvation of human beings is a vast enterprise, that calls into action every attribute of the divine nature. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have pledged themselves to make God's children more than conquerors through Him that loved them."
The Bible says there are 3 that bear record in Heaven:
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)--(which is a passage of the Bible found in manuscripts dating back to the 1st century)
3 is more than 1 in my mind. The Bible says 3, the Apostle John said 3, Paul mentions all three, Peter also--for me, these verses are in harmony.
That's good enough for me... God Bless
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 It seems so but it is not true. Those few quotes are taken out of context and done by Leroy Froom. There are many more texts of EGW that says the Holy Spirit is the spirit of Christ or the presence and power of God, but not another person apart from the Father and the Son. In fact 2 Cor. 3:17 states "the Lord [Christ] that Spirit" Check it out.
@@Edupier your philosophy casts doubt on the SOP and the Bible. I do not need any scholars to tell me that my Bible doesn't say what it clearly says. That biblical quote was not taken out of context. It says "3 bear record in heaven." It is that simple.
If I say "1 John 5:7"--antitrinitarians say either "your misunderstanding the quote sir and need my help" or "that quote was added by translators in later centuries" (even though 1st century manuscripts contain that passage verbatim)
Then I'll say "John 14-16"--antitrinitarians say "that is a parable"--that's odd, when I prayed for enlightenment by the Holy Spirit I never read it as a parable--if it's a parable then the Bible is confusing and not clear. Now I need a man to help me read my Bible--no thanks.
Ok, then I'll say Jesus says we are baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit--antitrinitarians say that "you're misunderstanding the quote and need my help"
If I say, what about Ellen White--antitrinitarians say "all the quotes that Mrs. White made in regards to the Holy Spirit being a Person were either not written by her, written by her secretary and added, Leroy Froom did it, etc."
I'm sorry but I accept the clear teaching of Scripture and SOP without the aid of other men's ideas.
Mrs. White mentions that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the Godhead in Desire of Ages as well and many many other manuscripts. The test for God's people is the Sabbath and law of God; the test for the whole world is the Sabbath and law of God. How about we focus on doing our job? The Holy Spirit being or not being the 3rd Person of the Godhead is not our message for this time; it is not 'present truth'; and it is certainly not how we present the Gospel to lost, hungry souls. God Bless
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 Not a word about John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6. Why?
Unless Jesus and the Apostles are a bunch of liars you must repent. Will you?
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DID ELLEN WHITE WRITE THREE HOLIEST BEINGS?
The answer is a definite “No.”
Ellen White DID NOT pen these words by her own hand. They were written by a stenographer trying to keep up with a sermon she was preaching.
So while some claim that Ellen White wrote “three holiest beings,” the Ellen White Estate clearly informs us on their web site that Sermons and Talks, Book 1 containing the phrase “three holiest beings” comes from a “HIGHLY EDITED” stenographer's report of a sermon she preached on October 20, 1906 at the Congregational Church of Oakland, California.
The date of release by the White Estate is “March 16, 1976.” So this was not her handwriting but a typed report from a stenographer that was first published 70 years after her sermon and can never be authenticated.
This is what Ellen White wrote about unauthenticated reports,
“And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works.” - (Ellen G. White, 5T 696.1)
The statement appears in the book Sermons and Talks, Book 1.
In the forward of the book we are told,
“All the messages reproduced in this volume were delivered in public and stenographically reported, or were prepared with that purpose in view. Many of Ellen White's sermons may be found in the Review and Herald and Signs of the Times, but nearly all of those included in this series have been drawn from previously unpublished manuscripts, as they appear in our files. So, although there were no tape recorders in Ellen White's day, a person may get the true “feel” of Ellen White as a speaker by reading this book.” - (Forward, Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1)
Ellen White taught that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God coming to us through His Son and so she wrote.
“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST; it is His representative.” - (Ellen G. White, 13MR 313.3, 1895)
“CHRIST has left HIS HOLY SPIRIT to be HIS representative in the world,” - (Ellen G. White, Lt84, October 22, 1895)
“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)
“We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” - (Ellen G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)
“but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” - (Ellen G. White, Ms36-1891)
Not only did she identify the “Holy Spirit” as the “Spirit of Christ,” but she always identified ONLY two beings ALONE, not three. So if Ellen White had said or written “three holiest beings” then she would have contradicted herself making herself a false prophet.
Note that she wrote ALONE and ONLY.
“The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” - (Ellen G. White, The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898) --- ONLY TWO BEINGS.
Did she say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ALONE are to be exalted? No she did not!
And again, “God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” - (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, January 13, 1909) --- ONLY TWO BEINGS.
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How do you explain these?.....John 14:18,28, John 20:22 KJV
Do you not understand, that it is that the Word (God, and being God had the same beginning as God Isaiah 43:10 'before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me') who became known as Jesus the Son while God- Jehovah Jehovah Isaiah 26:4- remained in heaven John 8:54.
Upon taking off, emptying himself of,his God-body- God-nature, God-knowledge, and God-abilities, even eternal life in himself- the Word was made- having put on his servant body God had prepared for him Hebrews 10:5, Philippians 2:6- a man in all things Hebrews 2nd chapter 17 therefore not any longer a true God John17:3. Jesus fulfilled the law Matthew 5:7, established the taking away of the law, and the coming new. Hebrews 10:9. All statements of before Abraham was I am,except you believe I am you will die in your sins were for them and future references to his coming Diety. , Almighty God Revelation chapter 1:7-8, toward mankind Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:22-23 while God is the Almighty God of those in heaven 1st Corinthians 15:28!
The Spirit is the third person of Jesus Christ. Just as he called Himself the Son of Man in the third person. And Scriptures confirm what I say ,see,
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Why so much confusion about the Spirit?
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He [Christ] should leave them, go to His [Christ's] Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His [Christ's] successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself [Christ] divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He [Christ] would represent Himself [Christ] as present in all places by His [Christ's] Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." Manuscript Releases, v14, p. 23. Why can't you Bill, understand this statement by Ellen White that YOU use in all your sermons.
Paulo Pratt true.thanks
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This is a very good discussion. One *error* vs another *error*.
AMEN
I'M AMAZED TO SEE HOW THE DEVIL HAS TWISTED THE MINDS SO,VERY, MANY PREACHERS IN OUR SDA CHURCHES. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Excellent study, Bill Hughes! I’ve gone a few rounds with a number of these so called “non-trinitarian” advocates. Let me tell you, brother that their belief clearly fits your definition of the Catholic trinitarian view. Many are in reality Catholic trinitarians, but they do not see themselves as such. Self deceived. They have rejected the Bible teachings of the third person of the Godhead. Did you catch that? They have in “essence” rejected the Holy Spirit. They only want to pontificate on the Father and Son. Jesus Himself taught that he sent us the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) since he can no longer be with us in person (because he is forever human and Divine). He sacrificed his omnipresence for us.
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." (John 16:7)
These “non-trinitarians” in a sense reject Jesus’ new “Divine-human forever” nature, making him a spirit. They will tell you that Jesus is the Spirit referred to 2 Corinthians 3:17:
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
Is “Lord” in this passage referring to “Lord God”, “Lord Jesus”, or can it be referring to the co-equal Lordship of the Spirit itself? One thing may be certain, it is not telling us that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one and the same thing with no distinction, thus totally eliminating the “third personage” which the Bible so clearly establishes.
You can see the “extreme danger” of this very fanatical thinking which in essence says that there is no third person in the Godhead.
If Jesus is a spirit and not Divine-human forever, then his sacrifice on the cross becomes unnecessary.
Amen! Well said
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 SEE MY COMMENTARY A SPIRIT HAS NO BONES NO FLESH SO IT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND HIS SON SO SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD BLESS YOU ALL WATCH THIS EXCELLENT VIDEO; WHO IS THE THIRD PERSON BY NADER MANSOUR SO BIBLICAL & PROPHETIC WOW WOW WOW
In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, let us make a man in our*
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER , THE SON AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD IT IS NOT THE SAMETHING GOD BLESS YOU
when they say born or begotton you Bill misquote them by saying CREATED. there is a whole lot of difference. Jesus himself said he came out of the Father. E.G white says He is begotton not greated. and Godhead simply means Divinity. One God the Father and one only begottn Son. no one else. Yes they do have a spirit, it is called the Holy spirit, the spirit or life of Christ.
Why do some Christians believe begotten means created, these two words are worlds apart in meaning. If that was the case we can say Adam and Abraham both created their Sons Seth(Gen 5:3-4) and Isaac(Hebrews 11:17) because both had begotten them. Now we know man can’t create nothing. So to say Christ was created the one who created “ALL THINGS” is nonsense Christ was Begotten which means life brought forth from the life of the parent(John 5:26)
Yes ...so true.
It is nothing more than a smear tactic that has persisted for centuries.
Trinitarians bear false witness towards those who believe in Christ being born of God.
SDA trinitarians ALSO discredit the very prophetess EGW, of whom they profess to adhere to. For she certainly says the same of Jesus, in that he is begotten.
As recorded in Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895.
"A complete offering has been made; for 'God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son',-- NOT A SON BY CREATION, as were the angels, not a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, BUT A SON BEGOTTEN IN THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF THE FATHER'S PERSON, AND IN ALL THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS MAJESTY AND GLORY, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Math 16: 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
We are the Lords your Gods who brought you out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage? Thou shalt have no other gods before us? We formed you in the womb, we spread out the heavens together, we made the earth by ourselves? I am God and there are two more just like me? Is there a God besides me? I know of two more just like me and if we had drawn straws differently someone else would have played the role of the unbegotten pretend Son of God called God the Son? Fear the Gods and give glory to them for the hour of their judgement is come? Remember the Sabbath day... for in six days the Lords made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is and they rested on the sabbath day and they blessed it? Anyone need directions to Babylon???
@@theradicalreformer2894 I don't have a problem, you have a problem. GOD said to Moses. GOD said to Moses and Aaron. GOD said to Abram. GOD said to Abraham. GOD told E.G. White. So everytime GOD speaks to someone, be it a human, an angel or HIS only begotten Son that makes them a GOD right? WRONG!!! It makes Moses a 'god' when 'GOD' says to Moses I will make you a 'god' to Pharaoh. It makes human's 'gods' when GOD's word says, 'Ye are 'gods' and when Jesus repeated the text and said, 'scripture could not be broken'. It makes Jesus a 'God' when His FATHER 'GOD' said to HIS Son, 'GOD' said to 'God' sit here at MY right hand until I make all your enemies MY footstool'! There is only 'ONE' (1) ONLY TRUE GOD THE FATHER WHO IS THE FATHER OF ALL AND THE FATHER OF AN ONLY BEGOTTEN SON and there is only 'ONE' (1) Mediator between 'GOD' and men, the man Christ Jesus. If you place the Son equal or coequal to the FATHER you have two 'GODS' and are saying that the 'one' who said, 'the FATHER is greater than I', is a liar (and you violate the first commandment and the second) and if you add the holy Spirit as a third 'GOD' then you would have three 'GODs' and no literal FATHER and no literal only begotten Son, only metiphorical one's. If you go all the way to the Catholic trinity (Athanasian creed trinity) you have a single devine being with a multiple personality mental disorder and a 'GOD' who talks to HIMSELF (HIS other personalities) and again you have no literal FATHER and no literal only begotten Son, you only have metiphorical one's which is antichrist (he who denies the FATHER and the Son, he is antichrist, and there were many in Christ's day and the prediction was that there would be many more to come and there are)!!!
@@theradicalreformer2894 in Isaiah 44:24 'GOD' said, "I FORMED YOU IN THE WOMB, I SPREAD OUT THE HEAVENS ALONE, I MADE THE EARTH BY MYSELF"! Do you believe GOD or do you believe two or three GODs made everything together or do you believe Jesus Christ created the earth and GOD helped like the trinitarian translater's of the new testament want you to believe? See youtube video, 'did Jesus create everything? by disciple John'.
The Radical Reformer + The word Elohim does not mean a plurality of persons just because of the ending ‘im’. Not every word in Hebrew with ‘im’ connotes actual plurality in its counting. There are several instances where Elohim is used for individuals in the Bible and Baal and ashteroth are called Elohim individually. There is what is called ‘majesty of plurality ‘ or ‘singular absolute ‘. The word ‘mayim ‘(water/s) and ‘hashamayim’ (heaven/s) both end with “im “ but they don’t mean they are things you count in separation.
To a Jew or Hebrew, God’s main name is too SACRED to be mentioned Willy-Nilly, therefore they refer to HIM with other appellations.
He makes the wild statement that Mark Finley says that SDA has 3 ideas in common with Adventists which include the trinity. No reference given just picture of a book Studying Together. This is unprofessional.
The trinity in a verse,
Elect according to the foreknowledge of *God the Father* through sanctification of *the Spirit* unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of *Jesus Christ* Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
{1 Peter 1:2}
Luke 4: Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Our group her studied Revelation 3:12 we found the new Light for this time that their is only one God,and Jesus Christ was a created being in womb of virgen mary
And God [Eloh[im]] said, Let *us* make man in *our* image, after *our* likeness...
{Genesis 1:26a}
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
{Isaiah 6:8}
The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
Then *the LORD* rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire *from the LORD out of heaven*
{Genesis 19:23-24}
(Twain speaking as one)
Thus saith *the LORD* the King of Israel, and his redeemer *the LORD of hosts* I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
{Isaiah 44:6}
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now *the Lord GOD* and *his Spirit* hath *sent me*
{Isaiah 48:16}
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was *with* God, and the Word *was* God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
*All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made*
In him was life; (Original, Unborrowed, Underived) and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
{John 1:1-5}
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Ask Ganoune Diop if we sda share Trinity with RCC.
I don't agree with the trinity of the SDA nor the Catholic.
Folks, I don't know if I am the one getting the terms wrong 'beggoten' means born not created
For instance when a mother gives birth she doesn't say that I have created but she says I have born
Notice the slide on Which Ellen White describes Christ has life I borrowed.....read it in light with John 5:26"KJV John 5
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"...the life Christ has was given by His father hence the life given is original,unborrowed....in other words the life in God the father is original hence he gives the life to Christ
The verse below becomes a reality
KJV 1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
The catholic catechism uses biblical language in regards to the persons in the Godhead. It does not necessarily follow that they believe the things that Pastor Hughes infers from such a use. There should have been more sources and references what the RCC actually believe about the trinity and what it understands when using such terms as: "only begotten of the Father", "proceeds of the Father", etc.
I feel somewhat a disingenuity in handling the issue unfortunately. Did not the early catholic church condemn arianism? did they not write countless material on the topic that could have been referred to? Yet even Pastor Hughes avoids dvelving into what the scripture means by "begotten" and "proceeds" etc. which would, once and for all, disperse the questions surrounding that terminology.
That's a very concerning and sad thought. It sounds like you are saying that we can't understand Catholic doctrine by reading and quoting the Catechism, which is it's purpose. Catholic nuns, priests, and laymen study the Catechism to in order to properly understand dogmas. So, 1 of 2 things is true: Either 1.) you are being dishonest by stating that we should have done more research into other catholic sources outside of the Catechism in order to get the answer you would like us to get, or 2.) The Catholic Church's Catechism is not sufficient to do what it was designed to do--teach Catholic doctrines. Which is it?
@@truthtriumphantministries8461
Sorry, I only found today the possibility to view my past comments.
I am all with you, Brother. I just want the argument to be proper and powerful so that we actually defeat false doctrines and not mere strawmen.
When the Bible says that the Son is the "only begotten of the Father" and Catholics use that to make a point it does not help to conclude that they mean by this that Jesus is a created being (which they reject - of course). It would help to show _what is biblically meant_ by that term and then show how the catholic position contradicts it.
Are "Begotten" and "Son" attributes of the second person by the fact that He would be the one incarnated and born into this world? Or is it because they reflect figuratively the hierarchical structure of the Godhead? Or is it because Jesus was actually "born" in "eternity past"? Or some other reason or a combination of those?
Which option does the Bible support? Which one is believed by catholics?
To answer your question: Both. Because, admittedly, I did not study on this topic exhaustively, and after reading what the RC catechism has to say on the topic, it is still not clear to me what they actually mean (I am in contact with someone right now to clarify this) I did not want to come across as dishonest or belligerent. My biggest gripe is with the slide at 21:35 where it states that catholics believe that Jesus is a created being. That conclusion simply does not follow from the statements in the catechism and is even condemned by catholics themselves as the arianian heresy. It can easily be avoided be stating that they believe that Jesus had a beginning in contrast to the Father who is from eternity past. (Yet I'm not even sure if that is what they actually would say about themselves)
How dear you called the Messiah second and the Holy Spirit third, where in God words you find such attributes. Me and my father are One
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
{Titus 2:13}
Have you read this passage in other translations?
As we both know, Christ comes in the glory of his Father.
the same verse in the ASV.
'Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the GLORY OF the great God [the Father] and our Saviour Jesus Christ.'
the same verse in the YLT.
'Waiting for the blessed hope and manifestation of the GLORY OF our great God [ the Father] and Saviour Jesus Christ.'
And now the gospels, Matt 16:27
'For the Son of man shall come in the GLORY OF his Father with his angels,' [There is your confirmation]
And for good measure Mark 8:38
'When he cometh in the GLORY OF his Father with the holy angels.'
As we can see the KJV translation is not ideal.
We must be cautious not to camp on one verse and disregard the rest.
'For all scripture is given for instruction and correction.' 2 Tim 3:16
Amen?
@@canadiancontrarian3668
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
{Titus 2:13}
καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God...
There is no scripture of the Father coming with Christ at His second coming.
That is unbiblical.
@@larrybedouin2921 Did you even read my post??
If you did, you then wouldn't dogmatically repeat yourself.
Right?
Patriarchs and Prophets 1st chapter 2-3 paragraghs
I have a paperback edition which does not line up with the pages you gave. Mine has chapter 3 is from ppg 17-22. I read chapter 3 and it basically says Christ is the Holy Spirit, just like John 14:18. Thank-you.
Do you Know what is interesting about Matthew 28:19? Not once is that format ever followed in the book of Acts. Where the Disciples disobedient? Or maybe Matthew 28:19 was never spoken to the Disciples. The Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 2 Pg 263.
You are right, I am a sinner but I am obsessed to find the truth, and by God's grace His Spirit will lead me. Please show me in the book of Acts, like I asked you to, where does it say the Disciples used That Format of the Trinity, Where ? Just One Text? Can you provide one? I gave you something to look at but you won't be able to reasonably respond until you look for yourself.
where in the hell in the Bible does it teach that the holy spirit is a person the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit proceed from the father any Adventist that believe that the holy spirit is a person is going to go to hell because they don't know who God is Sister white didn't teach that you take two statements out of context and try to run with it you act like Leroy Froome never did what he did come on people wake up with this nonsense
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“Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.” (Ellen G. White, ‘The Desire of Ages’ page 671 chapter ‘Let not your heart be troubled’ 1898)
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
Thank you God for revealing that to sister White!
Now then, please share with us about your medical missionary work and outpost center, as many of us are seeking to be used by God to finish the work!
Dan G + The “nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery “.......
exactly the word used, “Nature “...... not person.
Chike Chike-Michael
“Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.” (Ellen G. White, ‘The Desire of Ages’ page 671)
The word "person" is spoken by your prophet, not "nature".
Dan G + Now you show your identity. Yes, I believe her as a prophet and that is why I will not take one statement out of many to quote her out of context and make her statement to support a lie she did not believe
Dan G + Jesus said the Father would send”another comforter “ but did you read further in same chapter 14 when He said,” I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you”???
I order to be saved, and one must only believe that Jesus is the Son of God, period. The Bible is the only authority. Jesus stated very clearly that the Holy Spirit is a person,muses pronouns for the Holy Spirit. The word trinity isn't in the Bible, so I don't use it. Be careful how you judge, and if you condemn... your in sin.
Thank you for this amazing sermon
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins *but God* only?
{Mark 2:7}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us*
{Matthew 1:23}
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God* was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
{1 Timothy 3:16}
“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
{John 10:11}
...
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.”
{John 10:14}
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want...
{Psalm 23:1a}
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour.
{Isaiah 43:11}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
{John 20:28}
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
{Isaiah 48:12}
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
{Revelation 1:17-18}
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
{Philippians 2:5-6}
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
{John 1:10}
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
{Colossians 1:16-19}
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, *from everlasting*
{Micah 5:2}
“It would be a mistake to leave this sublime subject without addressing an additional distortion to the teaching of the trinity. Another class of sincere Christians believes that while the Father and Son are truly distinct persons, they only see the Holy Spirit as a cosmic force or essence-an impersonal power conduit or vehicle to do the bidding of the Father and Son.
We can appreciate why the Holy Spirit seems to be the hardest member of the Godhead to visualize and define. Sometimes He is called the Holy Ghost, which leaves people with a “spooky” image. The Scriptures compare Him to everything from wind and fire, to a dove, water, and even a defense attorney!
But as we consider the various features of the Holy Spirit, we can quickly see He has all the credentials of a separate and distinct, intelligent, individual being.
The Holy Spirit leads and guides. “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13 NKJV). It’s true that a map or GPS can lead you, but no one calls a map “he.” It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say[…]”“It’s true that a map or GPS can lead you, but no one calls a map “he.” It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself?
The Holy Spirit also comforts. “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever” (John 14:16). I have never seen a lonely child run to a vacuum cleaner for an embrace-only intelligent beings can offer comfort. Jesus promised before His ascension that He was sending another helper; paraclete is the Greek word that signifies a multi-sided personal ministry as counselor, consoler, advocate, helper, comforter, ally, and supporter (John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26-27; 16:7-15). These are all traits that usually belong to a person or friend. If the Holy Spirit is merely God’s active force, then John 16:7, 8, is nonsense.'' Quote from nearest PASTOR=Pharisee
Bono lib + When Jesus said, “ And when the son of man shall appear .... with the glory......”, who was He speaking of? And of course you rightly quoted “ when he, the “spirit “ of truth “; do you recall Jesus saying earlier, “I am the way, the TRUTH and the life” ; now He says ‘the spirit of Truth. The spirit is also the spirit of the WAY and also the spirit of LIFE.... all speaking of Jesus but divested of humanity.
Amen
if jesus is the beginning and the end, the frist and the last then who is the father?????
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. He is the beginning of the Fathers way.
I used to love your chanel, but lately I dont see love for Truth anymore.
I see hate towards people who sometimes differs from you.
Sounds similar to the world & churches reaction to when Jesus told them the truth.
So very true yes😢
Actually he is doing the same thing Kellogg did, taken snipets of Sister Whites writings and making seem to be what he is saying! Where’s the quotes on Jesus is the third person! Half truths
So sad trinitarians will never enter in a open Bible study to open the Word and study together. Very much like people pushing the Vaccaine mandates and those who believe in freedoms
So now we don't have one God, but three. Wow, even though the Catholics got it wrong, at least they have one God, instead of 3 totally contrary to the bible.
We have one God, not three. The Catholics have 3.
@@stinawiik4468 I believe we only have one God, the Father.
But basing my reply on the video, I stand by my comment. The Catholic trinity, as shown by the presenter, is one God in three persons. The SDA is Godhead, 3 different beings, therefore 3 different gods that are united in one purpose.
Are you a "Godhead" doctrine believer? Or do you believe in the biblical God as taught by Jesus Himself? John 17:3
@@jmrdrgz So are u saying Jesus isn't God? If u say Jesus isn't God then u are denying scripture....John 1:1 and John 1:14 says Jesus is God
@@mrsir8094 I don't see how John 1:14 has to do with Jesus being the true God of the bible.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 NKJV
What John 1:1 is saying is that Jesus is it the divine nature. Jesus, the Word, was with God. Jesus was with the God of the bible. Jesus is God in the sense that He has the divine nature as His Father. John 1:14 explains why Jesus is God. It is because He is the real and literal begotten Son of God. This is what gives Him the status of God, not that He is God of His own right.
So I do believe that Jesus is God, but not the Almighty God of the bible. Even Jesus tells us this same fact in different ways. The most definite statement of the only true God comes in the last prayer recorded prior to being taken to be crucified.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You (the Father), the *only true God*, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 17:3 NKJV
What I'm coming to understand more and more is that the word God is a position or title. There are only 2 divine beings and they are a Father and Son. The true God is the title given to the supreme Sovereign of the universe, the a Father. Even John, the same author who wrote the introduction that we are talking about also states:
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
I John 5:20 NKJV
@@jmrdrgz "So I do believe that Jesus is God, but not the Almighty God of the bible" ohhhhh really? when Jesus says "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) and when Jesus says "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9) it shows that Christ is on the same level as the Father....Christ is Almighty God...one God three persons
Brother Bill, What happened to you? You used point out corruption in the church but now you are part of it. The 3rd angels message is the non-trinitarian true nature of God, warning. You are like brother Ted Wilson, who wants to lol every body to sleep.
Where does Mrs. White or the Bible say that the 3rd Angel's message is the nontrinitarian view of the Godhead?
I have to say, I Love you ,brother Bill, enough to want to tell you the true nature of God [trinitarian vs non-trinitarian] is key to Revelation 14:7. Wasn't B.G Wilkinson one of the first Adventist college Professors to expose jesuits teaching theology in the SDA institutions? Would you say jesuits have been running the SDA s educational programs for at least 50-60 years now? Rewriting Ellen White's work, are you aware of how many of her books have been tampered with? Wasn't your theological training possibly jesuit influenced? I will pray for you.
A Dm
That's true. What a strange mystery!
No medical missionary work.
No outpost centers.
Not much love for others who don't agree with their view, which isn't scripture or SOP supported.
@@truthstandsforever9924 Answer his question! But no your off in lala land now saying EGW books have been rewritten by Jesuits! Brother seriously....don't bother praying for anyone but yourself.
John 17:3 KJV Now let the Bible interpret itself,word for word, and don't let your bias opinions shape your beliefs.
You are only trying to make a Bad doctrine right. How can Christ be a self existent son, that cannot be right. You need to listen to yourself
You cannot prove the trinity through the Bible. You have zero biblical authority to define “Godhead” as “Trinity.” You can’t use the apostle Paul and “every wind of doctrine” text to nullify the anti-trinity movement. It’s not the anti-trinitarians who are infiltrating the church with new doctrine. The SDA Church was founded on the truth of “one true God,” the non-trinitarian God. It was founded on Christ as the only begotten Son, who proceeded from the Father, “tore from His bosom.” It was founded on the the non-person being of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter which proceeded forth from the Father and the Son. The SDA Church was founded by anti-trinity pioneers, and that truth remained up until their deaths. Bill Hughs, “every wind of doctrine” is the teaching of the trinity, the omega of deadly heresy. The trinitarian doctrine IS the infiltrator.
1 John 5:7
Truth Triumphant Ministries You have to know that this verse was added apart from the Textus Receptus. Christian scholars, even trinitarian scholars, have long dismissed this verse as a part of the original text. Even the SDA commentary on 1 John 5:7 admits as much: “Textual evidence attests (cf. p. 10) the omission of the passage ‘in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in the earth.’” We as Adventist’s have correctly charged other denominations for establishing doctrine on a single verse or passage, and here, we have committed the same error; if this text is even admissible.
"It was founded on Christ as the only begotten Son, who proceeded from the Father" so u are basically saying that Christ came from the Father meaning he was created??? But doesn't revelation 1:8 say something different than what u saying?
@@truthtriumphantministries8461 The SDA bible commentary rejects 1 John 5:7.
It is proven to not belong in the Bible.
EGW never quotes the passage.
Whereas you lean on it quite heavily.
And even if you want to use it to give 'support' to your creed, It really does not say more than '3 that bear record'...
3 what??
How can this sit well with you?
@@mrsir8094 What does Rev 1:8 say?
Do you really even know?
It sounds like not, since you allude to it in a way that it refers to Christ only??
For which you would be very mistaken.
@48 one really needs to look hard at the pictures one uses side by side with your text! wow
So this ministry and pastor are 100% trinitarian.
Godhead= God the Father
Trinitarians must provide the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible, the chapters and verses that explain the following:
1. There is one God, and He is triune [They are “God-identical but Person-distinct]
2. Jesus is God, yet He is not triune.
3. The Holy Spirit is God, but not Triune.
4. Jesus is a metaphorical Son
5. The Son of God is a job description/roleplay/imaginative Son.
6. Calling or covenantal/agreement identity.
7. A narrative/story identity
8. That the Bible text "Son of God" has nothing to do with [ontology/metaphysics] nature of being and existence.
Philosophical explanations are not acceptable. The chapters and verses must be provided only the name[s] of the Book[s] in the Bible.
Most SDA Church members believe in a literal sonship, but the authority of the GC, the BRI argues differently, - they believe in a metaphorical Son.
Below is what the SDA hierarchy says - [not the members]. It seems like the hierarchy is the ponéros speaking through the people. [Acts 19:15].
"People expect the General Conference to have the last word and to speak for the Church with ultimate authority.” (General Conference President Neal C. Wilson, Commission Report on Role and Function of Denominational Organizations, 140-85GN, p 22-23, April 30, 1985).
Did you get that? - They say “the people expect” - What a blatant lie. - I'd like to see the agreement between the GC and the "people".
Additionally, they say that the members must abide by their decisions.
“It is our responsibility to study the Scriptures for ourselves, to ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to submit our understandings to those in the church who can judge our findings, and then to abide to the decisions of the church...” (Seventh-day Adventist Church Adult Sabbath School Quarterly, Lesson 13, March 28, 1987, p 92, or p 153 in the Teacher’s Edition).
There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus is a metaphorical Son. - Such un-Biblical utterances were made by Manuel Rodriguez [now retired] a Seventh-day Adventist theologian and was the “director” of the Adventist BRI (Biblical Research Institute). In the November 2015 issue of Adventist World on page 42 he wrote the following: "The Son is not the natural, literal Son of the Father. A natural child has a beginning, while within the Godhead the Son is eternal. The term “Son” is used metaphorically when applied to the Godhead. It conveys the ideas of distinction of persons within the Godhead and the equality of nature in the context of an eternal, loving relationship"
Likewise, Gerhard Pfandi, says, - "The sonship of Jesus, however, is not ontological, but functional. In the plan of salvation, each member of the trinity has accepted a particular role" - The Trinity in Scripture by Gerhard Pfandi, Biblical Research Institute, Silver Springs, MD, June 1999.
Read the following heresy by Professor of Theology and Philosophy, Emeritus, Fernando L. Canale, Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology, Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia Volume 12. - He says, “In biblical anthropomorphisms, God reveals what He is and what He can do in terms of human realities. For instance, when God says that He has an arm (Ex. 14:16; Ps. 89:13), He does not mean that He exactly or univocally what we call an arm. The expression signifies that God’s reality is capable of performing all that can be performed by a human arm, and infinitely more. We cannot conceive or imagine the actual structure of God’s reality that allows Him to perform these acts.”
Retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) states, - “No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons: - but theological reasoning based on biblical principles leads to that conclusion.” - Kwabena Donkor, retired Associate Director Biblical Research Institute (BRI) Release 9, May 2015, page 20, God in 3 Person - in Theology
So, then what is being stated is that “No text of Scripture specifically says that God is three Persons”
Then he [Kwabena Donkor] concludes, “theological reasoning based on biblical principles leads to that conclusion.”
What a contradiction! - First, he says there is no prooftext - then he contradicts himself by saying theological reasoning based on biblical principle leads to that conclusion. - He should have been a politician
Since when does dogma replace scripture?
An official Church Publication reads, “If Adventism is to meet the needs of all people around the world, the landmarks must remain simple and straightforward. The Bible will be our only creed. Complex theological definitions, the Trinity, for example, may serve the church well in general but cannot be imposed as a test for all Adventists everywhere.” - The Seventh-day Adventist Church and Certain Private Ministries (NAD 1977), p.50
Adventism can expect fresh insights into truth, ‘present truth’ that will enhance the appreciation of old landmarks. Such an expectation has always been a part of historic Adventism and is reaffirmed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs voted in 1980. When ‘present truth’ is complex, however, it may be more helpful for some in the church than for others. In such a case it cannot be imposed on the church as a whole.” (Ibid).
Then they say, - “Remember our non-Trinitarian past as well as the simplicity of our landmarks should encourage a certain humility in the church and lead us to resist any attempt by one segment of the church to impose its views on the rest.” (Ibid)
Now, be honest and tell me, is it proper for the GC of the SDA Church to impose its synthesis on members, and expel those who conscientiously do not agree with the church’s reasoning, even though those members accept everything the Bible actually says?
#MissionAccomplished
Bill Hughes, please, would you study the first 3 words in the Bible, "In the Beginning" in the ancient pictorial Hebrew, and you may see the beginning and the ending, the first and the last. Shalom.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." My understanding of this verse means that there are 3: the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Counsels on Health p 222- "The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption."
Desire of Ages, p 671, and Review and Herald, 05-19-1904, paragraph 3- "Sin could only be resisted and overcome through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of the divine power."
This is the foundation I build on. The Bible says 3, so I take that to mean 3--when it says those 3 are the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit--I likewise believe those 3 are those names mentioned. As a Bible-believing Christian, I trust that the word of God and spirit of prophecy have been clear on this issue. God Bless friend.
Truth Triumphant Ministries + The SDA Bible Commentary vol 7 pg675 advices against the use of 1john 5:7 and the higher percentage of theologians also disclaim it because of its doubtful emergence . May I also point out that that text does not mention each of them as Gods, otherwise you will have to read the following verse (which is purported to be the real expression )and conclude that there are 6 to worship.
Just like Kellogg’s Living Temple, the Ellen White quotes you give to support the Trinity have been taken out of their context. There are 100s Of quotes from the books and writings you have mentioned that actually negates the 3-4 you have posted. God bless.
My question is about "the first and the last" The One who walked with Adam and Eve in the garden, in the cool of the day, is the same One who will take His bride back to His Fathers house. Shalom.
A Dm + I believe you should tell us what Spirit is and then we may get on the road to understand the context of the spirit within Divinity
I'm sorry friend, I disagree. This is a VERY slippery slope. Must I now fact check everything I learn against the "higher percentage of theologians". Beware the theologians; Jesus warned against them in His day, MANY of the "higher percentage of theologians" are absolutely lost in regards to the 3 angel's messages, antichrist, mark of the beast, seal of God, etc. A plain "thus saith the Lord"---read it for yourself, do you naturally come to another conclusion than 3? Or has some theologian trained you mind against a childlike faith in the word of God? Are you building on the Word, the foundation, or sinking sand? Is your trust in men or Scripture? What other passages are you going to omit because you don't agree with them? Jesus fought the Devil with an "as it is written". The Bible says (NOT THE SCHOLARS): "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17). If we do not know what verses we can trust or not without seeking the council of the scholars then my conscience is ruled by men instead of Christ. Think cause to effect--where does your thought process finally take you? To more trust and confidence in God's word? Or less and less and less, until you cannot read the Bible without questioning every passage's validity?
Prov. 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
Col. 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
Rom. 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written"
Prov. 3:5-6 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
Luke 18:17 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein."
Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
www.gospel-herald.com/walper_ann/holy_spirit_egw.htm
Reality, Jesus uses pronouns when talking about the Holy Spirit..
And we know that the Son of God IS COME, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him [the Father] that is true, and we are in him [Jesus Christ] that is true, (just to be sure that we understand) EVEN in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. {1 John 5:20}
T4T confirms this exegesis: And we also know that has come to us, and has enabled us to know God, the one who is really truly God, so now we have a close relationship with God, because we belong to Christ, the one who is the
The true God in 1 John 5:20 is the Father. You can see it by reading it.
You can see it by reading the 2 verses preceding it.
You can see it when comparing to John 17:3...Jesus praying to his Father,
'And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,'
So we have the same theme here as 1 John 5:20.
We have the same God here. The Father.
And yes...written by the same writer...John.
Amen?
Pastor Bill appears to exalt himself and put others down. I have confidence in Pastor Mark Findly, I think Mark was saying that as SDA's we also believe in 3 persons of the Godhead, that does not mean that we believe everything else about those 3 as the Catholic church does. So it's easy to twist a statement to make it say what you want and to stretch it beyond its original intent. Mark has been around too long as an Evangelist to be discredited by Bill.
Bill from what I can gather has his own unique problems, when he says SDA pastors are bound by their paychecks to keep from speaking the truth is a lie, and again, it sets him up as the only righteous one in Israel. There is a reason why he left the organized work and I find problems with his attacks and his own righteousness.
ruclips.net/video/8SwpO9-OHck/видео.html
If Finley is true representative of our Lord then he would rebuke the stage setting and tilt them over as Jesus did. Rebuke the sins of backsliding people who think they are truly SDA.
Jesus is the true SDA not the denomination. Genesis 2:2-3, Genesis 3:15, John 14:3, John 14:28.
I believe GC leaders and pastors are worrying about their career more than speaking of truth and following it. When I spoke to GC SDA church about the apostasy in SDA, members worrying about pastors' paycheck as well as women elders (against the Bible).
David King . How else should he speak ?
EVERYTHING IS A PROBLEM !
David, research this when you can. The SDA conference church does believe in the exact same Trinity as does the Catholic Church. Their Trinity symbols (triangles, etc.) are identical. Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/Ck63GgtungU/видео.html
He is manipulating the Scriptures to finally come out with the same Doctrine as the Catholic church; THE TRINITY. SAME THING, THE TRINITY IS THE TRINITY!
Juan Diaz + Pastor Bill Hughes once did an expose on Ted Wilson titled, “Ted Wilson, Saint or Snake”?
I wonder how he looks at himself knowing he is twisting the Bible and SOP and misleading those people listening to him?
I use to have great respect for him but this is God reiterating that no man should be trusted.
Juan Diaz - The trinity of 3 separate divine beings (persons) is the truth. We cannot understand it other than through how Christ explained marriage - 2 flesh becoming 1 when you marry someone that shares your faith and love for the triune God and are the same in purpose - wanting to do only the will of God which is reflected in His law. “Let US make man in our image, and in our likeness” clearly denotes a plural Godhead. All 3 participated in Creation. Father God was the architect, Jesus God was the master builder, and Holy Spirit God hovered over the deep. God could not be LOVE if he were a singular. Think a thing thru to the end and one can clearly see that only a multiple Godhead could really be love. Love and submission to each other because they share the same spirit, mind, character and purpose. There is no superiority in a triune Godhead because each personality wants to bring and give glory to the other. The are mutually ‘other’ centered - not self-centered. They fully practice what they teach. The Catholic trinity is NOT the same because they believe in only one entity with 3 faces or facets - not 3 separate entities which have their own unique role and are fully satisfied with that role or dimension. The Catholic Church has usurped the importance of Christ’s role and replaced it with Mary. In their belief, Christ is only the sacrifice, but Mary is the redeemer. She is the one that makes intercession for us to God. They ave a sick twisted and delusional concept of triune Godhead and simply choose to place Mary in Christ’s role of being our intercessor. However, they really don’t have need of any intercessor in their pagan beliefs because the pope THINKS he is God on earth and only he and his priests can forgive sin and the pope is ultimately the JUDGE of all doctrine and people. The Catholic Church has on record that the pope claims that anything he does on this earth - God HAS to abide by, since he is successor of the unbroken apostolic line. It is complete DELUSION. But God will allow Satan to deceive and delude you because you do not WANT the simple truth the God has provided us in His word. You want to believe what pleases your ears and deceitful heart - just like Pharaoh did, and just like the religious leaders in Christ’s day did. You want YOUR will to be done - not God’s. You have been easily bamboozled by wicked, false teachers who twist the Word of God and the SOP to say what Satan has put in their egotistical minds and deluded them with. Go and read all that God had Moses write because every truth of the Bible can be found in the the Torah and the book of Job. It is all there, if you really desire to see it. The triune Godhead is ONE God, because in God’s perfection 1 + 1 + 1 = ONE. All 3 divine beings are from everlasting to everlasting. Man, with his finite mind, cannot understand this. We must accept it by faith. Faith is what enables us to trust and obey our loving God and Creator.
The Way + You just go on and on without even knowing the basic facts.
You definitely don’t know the RCC definition of Trinity..... which is even better than the present SDA Trinity doctrine.
You need to show how the phrase “let us” depict the plurality of the numbers you have calculated,1+1+1=ONE; even a 3years old child will tell you THREE.
I am sorry you don’t know the basic language of the Bible and that is why your arguments with your unsubstantiated texts don’t explain anything.
If you truly want to know the number of THEM who are involved in creation just read Proverbs 30:4..... come back and tell me your arithmetic calculus
@@chikechike-michael4295, do you believe that Ellen White was inspired or not?
If the trinity was ever an issue, don't you think that this would have come up during the Sunday Blair bill crisis when Sabbath keepers were fined and put in chain gangs in North America?
All of a sudden we have some higher knowledge after 150 years of church history? I don't think so.
Note the following...
"The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth - loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all imaginary. 1888 518.2
Now at the present time God designs a new and fresh impetus shall be given to His work. Satan sees this, and he is determined it shall be hindered. He knows that if he can deceive the people who claim to believe present truth, [and make them believe] that the work the Lord designs to do for His people is a removing of the old landmarks, something which they should, with most determined zeal, resist, then he exults over the deception he has led them to believe. The work for this time has certainly been a surprising work of various hindrances, owing to the false setting of matters before the minds of many of our people. That which is food to the churches is regarded as dangerous, and should not be given them. And this slight difference of ideas is allowed to unsettle the faith, to cause apostasy, to break up unity, to sow discord, all because they do not know what they are striving about themselves. Brethren, is it not best to be sensible? Heaven is looking upon us all, and what can they think of recent developments? While in this condition of things, building up barriers, we not only deprive ourselves of great light and precious advantages, but just now, when we so much need it, we place ourselves where light cannot be communicated from heaven that we ought to communicate to others." 1888 518.3
Let no one venture to explain God. Human beings cannot explain themselves, and how, then, dare they venture to explain the Omniscient One? Satan stands ready to give such ones false conceptions of God. MM 92.1
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.