Creatine HCl Versus Creatine Monohydrate
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2021
- It feels like you guys have been sending me messages about Athlean X since I started this whole RUclips thang and the time has FINALLY come to jump into it. Are you tired of bloating, stomach issues and too much sediment in your small intestines? Well this is the video for you ladies and gents. Let's talk about creatine, the different types and why you should or shouldn't throw dollars at them just because they have neato letters at the end of their name.
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The only reason I’m taking HCl instead of mono hydrate is because of stomach discomfort . Would love to save money but the stomach problems outweighed the benefits. I was just happy there was an alternative that didn’t make me feel like I was going to always poop myself 😂
Makes sense to me. If creatine HCL is more soluble in water that means that a higher percentage of creatine monohydrate won't dissolve in the stomach and would just pass through, probably giving the user diarrhea. For example, if only 1/7 of the the creatine monohydrate vs creatine HCL dissolves in the stomach, then only 1/7 would ever get to the muscles to saturate them. Despite being cheaper per gram, most of it gets wasted.
@@coldsteel9420hey how many gm creatine hcl per day
2.2 gm a scoop mentioned in my hcl
Should I take 5gm?
I’m new to gym and creatine
Creatine monohydrate is one of those rare thing that is less expensive, but top notch, like Maker's Mark bourbon.
Wild Turkey 101 is a better analogy 😉
Wow, completely agree 😂
You lost me at makers mark 🤮
But which brand is best🤔🤔🤔
Makers is top shelf, you would need to reference a call
I really like how you presented the information in a respectful and informative way. A refreshing way to enjoy RUclips videos 😁
I mix my creatine in hot coffee and it dissolves just fine.
That being said, I appreciate your critique of Jeff's claims without attacking him personally, which is a trend that is getting way out of hand in RUclips fitness.
Due to the diuretic effects of caffeine, it will eliminate most of the results creatine will provide you with. Maybe Layne can clear this up
@@FabL91 caffeine doesn’t affect hydration to any significant extent
@@inner8197 there was only one study 1996 about this and it was NOT a good study. Turns out that caffeine and creatine together is fine as long as you drink a lot of water
@@FabL91 way to make an totally unfounded claim lol
Ahh I gotta try this. Thank you. I just put mine on my tongue and drink water or juice
I love how respectful this man is while giving his opinion on the matter😂
Video editing etc. is great Layne! Keep up the good videos. Thank you!
When Chino left a few weeks ago, the video quality went from really good, to really bad. Now it's gone to friggin great. Thanks for all the detailed explanations and animations.
I do think Jeff is well intentioned, maybe just a little ignorant on this subject, and sounds like he's repeating what he's been told.
This is the first time I've ever seen this guy and I tell you, I gotta subscribe. The way he just uses research and data and explains things with science and not what he "believes" is refreshing
Yeah, I subbed based on this video too
What research? He literally does not mention any sources.
Watch the extensive podcast he does w/Andrew Huberman. You’ll be able to get a good feel on how solid his character is..
I had bloating and gas using monohydrate. I tried HCL and I noticed 2 things: Great reduction of bloating and gas (I suffer IBS so almost impossible to get rid of all the effects, but the improvement is noticeable), and my stamina and strength while training has also increased. I don't know if the difference is due to regular creatine vs HCL, or maybe I am buying a premium HCL while I used to buy generic creatine, but in any case, at least for me, it does work much better with far better results.
Monohydrate didn't work for me either. My body was reacting pretty badly, like it was pure JUNK
If I take 1/4 scoop of Monhydrate per day (so that's about 1.25g) as I drink it mixed with 10oz of water, I can feel my stomach going during drinking the mix. When I use HCL, zero stomach issues.
The reference to sinking to the bottom in the video is a classic. Great info and detail.
Thank you for taking the time to inform us on the facts
Thank you so much for simply clarifying this matter. I’m a very young mother of two and 51 years old and went through cancer treatment/ chemo and radiation twice starting at the onset of 40. All is very well now that I have lost my behind ha ha ha! I am trying so very hard to get it back although it has been extremely difficult because I am a thinner type of woman. I just am trying to make the best decision to promote my workouts so once again thank you. I want to get the cuts down my legs and the round thing on the backside back :-). As I always say no one‘s dying here so let’s make the most of it🌺
I'm 36, and lost 17 kg because of illness, and also my entire ass muscles is gone (sorry for the expression), so now I'm taking HCL and doing heavy exercise, and for now I see some progress with it.
I love Athlean-X and just saw the video you critique. My first thought was, "hmm, I wonder what biolayne thinks of this?" RUclips read my mind and showed me a link to this video. Thanks for making it. You've saved me from throwing out all my creatine monohydrate:).
Another great video from one of the smartest fitness and nutrition experts on the planet. I appreciate the info Layne.
Thank you for making this video you helped me finalize my decision. Monohydrate here i come!!
Love it when someone's willing to explain the science
Outstanding video! Gave me memories of biochem in university. Happy lifting mate
I Appreciate Dr Layne Norton’s comprehensive explanation. He is the thinking man’s fitness guru, w/witty humor. I’ll get both types as I test to see what my load up tolerance is..
It's been a minute since I used any supplements, and i found myself in a situation where a GNC employee was trying to push on me creatine HCL when i asked for me monohydrate. Being skeptical of whatever any salesperson says to me, i proceeded with my purchase and found this video immediately after my purchase. Thank God for RUclips and this kind of content.
Yeah I took the GNC creatine and it was good
Love your shit..... No bill, just science. Thx dude
Can we just appreciate how good of a name "creatine" is in terms of marketing? Literally named "thing that creates". That would be like a weight-loss substance named "fatmeltine"...
Dang I would love some fatmeltine
Word! Back in the early '00s I thought it was a steroid! It sounds much more anabolic in Greek, the root word actually means 'meat'!
I thought creatine was derived of the Greek root work kreas for flesh
That video editor was a good find!
I spat out my coffee when I saw that Titanic clip! Lol.
😅
I assumed HCL was trash, but I bought some and have to say it’s pretty damn good. I used to be a super responder to monohydrate but with age I think I don’t absorb bit well anymore. But this HVL version is getting absorb very well.
The Pre-Workout I use is pretty mild but has three grams of creatine monohydrate. I use that on my workout days and creatine HCL on my off days. Not by design, I just happened to have both.
Dr Layne Norton - always getting in the way of a good story!😂.
You my friend are an amazing editor. And because of stumbling on this video and you referenced the titanic deserves a subscribe. Love the IG content battles though.
Great video and explanation!
Fantastic video!
New fav channel
What i have experienced is
Creatine HCL start effecting in like 10 minutes !
Dropping facts bro 🤘🏻🤘🏻
last time i watched a video of you was like 8 months ago. and believe me, the video quality has really increase, i like the vedio editing and the funny side of how the video is made , and also the way you inserte animation to understand chemical reactions. KEEP THE GOOD and let's hope the youtube algorithm becomes more friendly toward this channel
Hi, I really appreciate the info you present and your youtube content.
At ca. 3:45 min you stated that the HCl concentration in the human stomach is about 6 mol/l, which I would consider as a very high concentration (even if it is still diluted HCL) and quite aggressive to the tissue.
As far as I know the concentration should be somewhat around 0.1 mol/l (still pH=1).
But as a disclaimer, I didn´t look deeper into it than a quick peek at Wikipedia to reinforce my belief.
Is the concentration you mentionend related to the production of the HCl?
Youst curious :)
Hahaha, that tumbleweed in the background...priceless!!!
This was helpful. I’m going to try HCL because Monohydrate at 5g per day kills me stomach. Awful bloating and gas.
I’m excited HCL might be a new option for me.
Have you tried it yet? What is the difference?
I always use creatine monohydrate in my pre workout. Along with Citrulline mixed with Amino Cuts pre-workout powder.
Anyone taking creatine, just make sure you are always drinking water. When I was younger I took a shit load of creatine everyday and just drank soda and I landed In the hospital from extreme dehydration, mild kidney failure, Nd I had a grand Mal seizure before any this happened. Creatine in my opinion is extremely safe but just when used properly, which is not hard. Just drink water. Alot of water...
Searched “Layne Norton hair loss” would love to know your thoughts on it...
Well detailed, respectful debate against Jeff's claims.
I use HCL because I have an issue with my stomach and monohydrate will give me stomach discomfort. I dont care if it's a little expensive.
When you say discomfort can you describe it or like do I have to take it too understand it ?
Do you notice any difference with water retention? Do you look less bloated on HCL?
Like them biceps, information on point !
Question: what if you wanna take it in capsules cuz powder makes you ralph? Wouldn't you need far fewer capsules that way? (I have digestive issues so I was talked into getting a big ol bottle of hydro capsules... I'm running out and need to decide what to replace it with).
So as someone who does not know fitess, chemistry or suplements and is watching videos to learn, its funny how athlean X and biolayne said the exact same thing.
Creatine HCl and Creatine Monohydrate do the same thing.
The point is you should try to see which feels better for you as they do the same thing, with a bit different amounth and time (and cost).
And of course its two dudes who have their own lines of products which they use themselves and feels good to them and found research to support their results.
I don't water bloat on hcl so I look leaner. On monohydrate I look alot bigger. But both give me my strength benefits.
I've used his products and they're the best I've ever used. Everybody is different though, try them yourself and see how you like them (:
I m french and I love your videos, so interesting and well documented, thank you 😘
After researching I found the answer for me. Take both.
I hope they do more studies on HCL, I’ve noticed there are so many comments here about positive experiences with it but not really seeing anything negative about it. I do see negativity about monohydrate though. I’ve been hesitant to try it because I have a very sensitive stomach. I’m going to try out HCL instead
Dude its a fitness version of Rick from walking dead. Spitting facts... subbed
I used creatine monohydrate but now I use creatine monohydrate micronized it does mix better and I found it at a better price than regular stuff but in the end it all works the same in the muscle
I take creatine HCL cuz monohydrate = RIP my guts even at low doses.
Do you notice any benefits from HCL? My digestion has been fucked up for a couple of years now, stable at the moment but small irritations like using creatine do flare up the stomach.
@@Fjerid it seems to be working, but honestly I just take creatine because the research says I should. I haven't had any GI distress from HCL at all.
Same! Kills my stomach, hcl only creatine I can handle
@@earlcoles5215
Creatine is stored in the muscle. Any time you move something like creatine into the muscle, you have to move water into the muscle. Whether it’s monohydrate or hydrochloride. It is the bodies desire to balance what is inside the cell with what is outside the cell. Speaking very generally, It’s a ratio thing. Jeff talking about pulling water into the gut and making you bloated is a stretch, and not the way things work in the cell itself. Look up cell permeability and osmolality.
@@Uncle-Bull what is the most effective creatine HCL dosage? I've been reading that people take in 2 grams , correct me if im wrong but it just seems under dosed, what is your opinion on this , if I pay for an expensive creatine, I want to get the most effect out of it without any regrets.
New to the channel and following you on the gram! Huge fan of the way you take accountability in when you are delivering the information. Also I appreciate the way you disclose your bias. Looking forward to more content man!
That Jack scene almost made my protein shake come out my nose.. subbed lol
I just randomly decided to try HCL after a random stop at GNC to grab an energy drink and remembered I’m out of creatine. The guy mentioned it’s salty so I tried the powder dry, but sour for sure! But I like sour. So I put it in my athletic greens and hot dog does it tastes freaking good. So good I just might buy HCL from now on lmao.
which brand and flavor did you get? the creatine HCl i got is so terrible. i dread taking it.
i have been using monohydrate for almost 3 years now and after a break of 8 months from training i decided to try HCL and i dont have any explanations to this but HCL has given me quick results as compared to monohydrate
Because it’s much easier and faster to absorb
I really want to start taking creatine. I think im going to go the HCL route. What brand do you use or which brand would you suggest?
Bennett Blackmon just got on hcl and god damn it’s taste is horrible
I didn't know we were eating for taste 🤔 it's always been for results to me.. And I used bulk creatine hcl but brand really doesn't matter in a supplement unless its "whey"
Interesting
Do you have any videos or research on kidney stones and creative? Between one kind or another?
I will go with creatine hydrochloride cuz i do not want to play with my body in order to see that does monohydrate bloats me or not..i hope every new users will agree
what is the most effective creatine HCL dosage? I've been reading that people take in 2 grams , correct me if im wrong but it just seems under dosed, what is your opinion on this , if I pay for an expensive creatine, I want to get the most effect out of it without any regrets.
What about creatine in conjunction with HMB? Any benefit? I had been taking chewables of monohydrate that stated the serving was 4 chewables per day. It goes for $30 and it lasts a month of you're taking the recommended 4 tablets. I definitely benefited from it, but I peaked and no amount of food or quality protein helped me past that hump. I started taking pills that were Creatine HCl with HMB and I recently added 10lbs to my max bench after about 2 weeks of taking it. These aren't chewables, but just pills. The serving is 3 pills and the bottle comes with 180 pills, so I get 2mo out of it for the same price. Actually roughly a few cents cheaper at $29.95. I get both from Amazon. So am I crazy or lucky? Do I have some sort of co
gnitive bias going on?
Just wondering, is there a type of creatine safe for ppl with compromised kidneys?
I experienced bloating without loading Creatine Monohydrate but wit HCL was good no need to load after about 2 to 3 was I seen a nice difference in size monohydrate too but bloating wasn't good.... So ima go With HCL
Smart choice
So what is better? I just got HCI and never used Creatine before but I have crohn's disease, so a little scared of Creatine giving me stomach problems. I only just started HCI today but have not felt any stomach problems. But is the strength the same of mono and HCI?
i have crohns too and started taking it three days ago. how is it for you?
Not trying to argue just looking for an explanation if someone has one. I’ve taken both HCL and monohydrate for over a year each. I seen much better results on HCL. Could this just be an absorption issue due to my on physiological make up?
Yes. Hcl makes it better In solubility
I don't get the dosage aspect of creatine hcl. If creatine monohydrate has a near 100% absorption (once ingested), (meaning if you take in 3g-5g nearly all of it will be absorbed) why would you need to take less creatine hcl (1g-2g). If in both cases a large proportion of creatine is absorbed, the dosages should also be roughly the same. I would figure HCL's solubility is irrelevant in terms of digestion because the stomach has acid which digests both forms well.
This guy is quite good.
Would love to see a video on ecdysterone. Is it effective or over rated.
Jeff Nippard made a video on this.
Will your muscles when using hcl still appear bigger
So what if you get stomach pains from using regular creatine? Nevermind the cost of HCL, does it actually work the same way regular creatine does?
i think it does work the same
On the video on here Natural Verses Synthetic Vitamins; they say that Hydrochloric acid is know to to cause severe damage to the mouth, throat, esophagus, and stomach. I was looking for a L-Lysine supplement that did not have hydrochloric acid in it and finally found L-Lysine monohydrate; but I have not been able to find out anything on L-Lysine monohydrate. Do you know what it is made from? If it is toxic? Etc. I prefer not to put Hyrochloric acid in my body and almost all of the L-Lysine products are made with Hydrochloric acid.
The Vshred ad at the end of the video was fairly ironic. 😂
is not it the best if you mix creatine monohydrate and creatine hcl?
What can we do to show “loss of intramuscular creatine stores?” Blood tests?
Cool video
How about Creatine HCL vs Creatine Monohydrate within the context of kidney health? Any difference?
So is HCL as good as Monohydrate if you're not accounting for cost?
What about Kre-ALKALINE? Can you do a comparison of between HCL and KRE-ALKALINE? Thanks
Hey, I have a question. I have an issue with frequent urination when I take monohydrate. I’m talking almost every 25-30 minutes. In the middle of the night I wake up from urgently having to go. It’s not an ideal situation for me while at work/home and it’s very irritating. I just recently discovered HCL and I don’t seem to have this issue anymore and I’m drinking the same amount of water as always. Do you know why that is? For me, the price point is worth it just for that reason alone. Not having that insane strong urge to go is a relief!
Same here with constant urination. I’m thinking of switching to HCL to monohydrate mostly to look leaner
Hello, I am new here and I really enjoy your video, can you please give me your opinion or make video about crea-TEN 5% Nutrition
I don't mix my creatine. I put the pure powder in my mouth and then wash it down with a big swig of water. Doesn't seem to make a difference compared to when I was mixing it. It all gets in your system. From my experience taking either one of them hasn't had much of a difference in performance but the hydrochloride doesn't make me feel as bloated.
I've been using creatine monohydrate for a month, without the loading phase, and it definitely got me bloated, i'vd also had problems with my stomach, i think it's very much about the single person, there's not a right answer.
Very correct. It is definitely about the individual experience, and how your body reacts. I used monohydrate for a couple years and noticed the bloating, constantly feeling dehydrated, while having to get up 6 times a night because I needed to pee every hour, on the hour. Changed to hcl about 8 years ago, and haven't noticed a single side effect. Also noticed that I can take a couple months off from the gym and hardly notice any loss in mass and cut so long as I continue taking the hcl.
I've had the same GI issues. Respectfully, to the channel, HCl has helped me greatly. Monohydrate would absolutely wreck my stomach, but it was something that I needed to take; side effects be damned. Got talked into trying HCl out, and aside from the taste, it has helped tremendously.
Does it cause you a lot of burping?
@@macnfosterwhat brand you are using?
@@artisticov1469 Muscletech cell-tech creactor. I'm hooked on the Fruit punch flavor
Got creatine hcl capsules only because it was available before I had to leave for travel for work with limited space in my bag.
Rando Q Layne: Is there any negative effects associated with the long term use of Metamucil?
Explosive diarrhea, but otherwise you're good.
I've had trouble with muscle cramps when taking creatine monohydrate, not any GI issues but pretty severe cramps in my neck, hamstrings, calves, etc. I have never loaded, but the cramping started happening after maybe a week or so after taking it. When I then stopped a few weeks later, it stopped after a while, when I started taking it again a few months later the cramps came back. However, most people seem to consider creatine causing cramps a myth. Would creatine hcl be better for me or is there something else I could try? I am pretty sure it wasn't a hydration issue either.
probably you are getting dehydrated as creatine pulls water into the muscles and you need to have an adequate water intake . HCL might be better for you . test it and see but you still need to have enough water intake .
Eat something sugery as well as drink tons of water. Eat a pay stick or a couple gummy bears. The sugar content helps regulate
Go for HCL, it will work better...trust me you will feel and the difference.
I never considered the fact that creatine HCL is just getting dumped into more HCL lol
Also the sedimentation of creatine predominantly happens in cold water below about 50°f where is the human body it's going into is 98°f. And even at 50° If you shake it enough, you'll get it mixed and eventually and it won't come out of solution. Also gets into solution better if you mix it with warm water of idk, ~105°f.
One personal anecdote with my experience on creatine. I take 5g of micronized monohydrate everyday. I once ran out and had to order more I ordered regular granular monohydrate. After using my scale to confirm that my old scoop also yielded 5g of the new product. I mixed it in with 12oz of juice from the dining hall as usual. Drank it while fucking around waiting for the boys. By the time the boys were prepared for shenanigans I was in moderately excruciating gastrointestinal distress. Thought nothing of it, that's just life. This then continued to happen for the next 5 days. At which point I said fuck it and either threw away or gave it to a friend who could tolerate it.
Anecdotally, I now only take micronized monohydrate 5g everyday I have never experienced a negative side effect.
I've got so much pain to eat well. I'm 43, 66.9 Kg, 1.729M tall. So i've opted for creatine hcl wich is very expansive but is more easy for me. Really i've got a huge probleme to eat. Never was a monster for eating. In m,y case it's usefull.
Can anyone guess which celebrity shouts the wtf in the beginning of the video? It’s Lars Ulrich during a concert where James Hetfield challenges him to a drum off.
I take a multivitamin, fish oil, and hyaluronic acid with a 25g protein shake in the morning post two hour session. Should I try to add 3-5g of creatine mono to my shake or take it before my session? I don’t have any plans to load. I usually wake up about an hour before the session. Thank you for the video. Helped me make my decision.
I recommend you take it after your workout session!
Go with creatine HCI cause you do not get water weight
anyone experiencing sleep issues when on creatine monoh? I sleep fine but then wake at around 3 am every morning. Kinda wanna take creatine because of increased performance in the gym but also increased mental energy throughout the day. I take it early in the morning, have experimented with 2-5 grams with the same sleep issues
How long it takes to take effect was never addressed. Does it actually start working quicker than monohydrate or not?
Apparently faster than monohydrate since its more bioavailable and water salable.
What is monohydrate causes stomach issues for me and HCL doesn't? That's the only reason I use HCL
Where can I buy H2HOMY? I need small water.
Does really cause hair loss?
Creatinine may be excreted but it does work the kidneys. So if kre aklynn actually reduces creatinine production, that is a big deal. But I haven't been able to find any studies
I have creatine hcl it’s 750 mg it says 1 cap daily per 100 lbs you weigh 2 caps if your 200 lbs.. if I’m 150 lbs an want to try 2 caps should be ok?
Go for it. You will be fine 🙂
I agree with Athlean-X. If creatine HCL is more soluble in water that means that a higher percentage of creatine monohydrate won't dissolve in the stomach and would just pass through, probably giving the user diarrhea. For example, if only 1/7 of the the creatine monohydrate vs creatine HCL dissolves in the stomach, then only 1/7 would ever get to the muscles to saturate them. Despite being cheaper per gram, most of it gets wasted.
Is 2 grams of hci correct?
I wondered... would grape fruit juice and 5 or maybe only 10 MG loads produce better results? I'm speaking to the grapefruit juices ability to activate enzymes in the intestines causing a higher absorbing rate of supplements and meds.
I’ve been doing this, and after a week I definitely feel a difference in endurance with workouts! Would recommend!
Monohydrate gives me real GI issues even in small doses. I'm gonna really try taking a different form and hope it does the same job or is not even harmful.
Prob a diet issue
@@ashtonlockard4160 no not a diet issue, a creatine monohydrate issue, lots of people have those
KRE ALKALYN AND NO PROBLEM.
I have a very simple reason for HCL..... if taken in pill form you need six to seven monohydrate tabs vs. 1 or 2 HCL tabs. Of course this assumes that the HCL is absorbed better and you need less MG. At any rate, pills are convenient but not if I need to take 6 or 7 at a time.
I am one of those people that is here because I’ve been taking mono hydrate for 2 months and my bloating is too much. I’m going to switch to HCL to get rid of my belly bloating. I also never loaded and I am well past the 28 days people typically bloat and then stop bloating.
HCL for me at least works best. The taste is awful, but after a week you get used to it.
@@jackfischer6670 I use muscle tech’s lemon flavor. It’s actually pretty good.
@@jackfischer6670 Which one do you use? Have you seen any results?🤔🤔
2gms?
Creatine monohydrate would give me stomach issues. Never had any issue of any kind with HCL and it got me strong as fuck. So for some of us, HCL is the best choice.
I was legit about to comment this..... Dude needs to research more
Which brand do you use???🤔🤔
@@lots3799 monohydrate or hcl?
@@camilogonzalez3769 either
@@lots3799 I tried the EAS one, and i would throw it up literally as soon as I took it, then I tried the hcl for concrete, beyond raw, kaged and now I'm on bulk supplements hcl and never had an issue with any of those