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Somtimes I can't believe that this PLAYERBASE is Real | Pokemon Unite
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Somtimes I can't believe that this PLAYERBASE is Real | Pokemon Unite
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do I take the L here what are your thoughts yes or no
I always hate when my teammates unneedingly rip ray,and of course not be able to secure it
Thereby giving away the game
I think the back capping play was fine
Nope, the people commented on Twitter are just stupid
Nah, that was an average solo q moment, so yeah there's no L to take
Not really, they had Grenin, Meow, and Slowbro, they couldve stop attacking ray and kill gardie first
honestly based on experience what you did was right. backcapping was the safest option there when u have already wiped 4 of the enemy team members, especially because you can dunk for 100 and you were only down by 20 points. its simply not worth risking an entire game-changing objective when all you can do is send one person in the team to just dunk points and play safe for the rest of the game. at least during the refight, the game would only have about less than 30 seconds left, u would be up by about 80 points and all u gotta do is just focus on holding pads to win the game.
Imagine expecting a Buzzwole to chase a Gardevoir when you have Greninja, Meowscarada and Blaziken all with crazy mobility
Yup
They should have just went to base and defend the goal zone instead of ripping, what do they think gardevoir alone is going to do, either score or try to steal ray. There's no way Gardevoir can rip the ray alone fighting against slowbro in 30 seconds. Chasing Gardevoir on that low HP or flipping ray, both were losing choices.
Well, Buzz had his passive up where he becomes faster. I don’t think he would’ve caught Gard, but he would’ve gave vision for the entire team to do something or make Gard panic and move away
Plus Blaziken is dead and respawning anyways, not much he could’ve done besides going back in time and not dying.
I still think it’s a skill issue that no one thought of the very obvious pathing Gardevoir was gonna go though. Saw her moving top and you had clear vision bottom, so where is she gonna appear? TOP DUMMY, so intercept her!
But considering the skill level of the player base, I can’t get too mad. Just bad minor plays that I can’t get mad at if I’m not on a 4 losing streak 😞
I just stated this, but among the three I think Greninja has a lot more tools for the chasing other pokemon. I could be wrong though.
Dude had increased move speed and *lunge* 🥴 he could’ve caught the gardevoir. Y’all are only talking like this cus it’s cris
Quick chat needs "don't atack Rayquaza"
It does have “wait a second…” or something like that and retreat but I still ageee
@@liquidglitch1244 doesn't help at all, people don't listen to retreat on two junglers, why would anyone listen to that for ray lol :(
I try my best with 'Knock out the enemy Pokemon' but it would be so useful
"RETREAT!:
Sadly it’s a miracle if anyone listens to the pings half the time you go on deaf ears
let’s be real the unite community was never known to be smart lol
I see no lies absolute 100% facts 😂
agreed
Easy agree, I still feel that getting 4 times to Masters was more luck than skill because of that, even if I have managed to still have a 60% winrate
No need to be "smart" when you can climb with a 38% win rate to Master. 😔 A lot of the skill issues are the game's fault. People that just mindlessly rip objectives, and Defenders that don't zone shouldn't be climbing.
Pokemon fans have never been known for their intellect.
People’s brains have two modes. Rip Ray and backcap at the beginning of Ray. Knowing when to score during Ray? That’s too much nuance, if you even wanna call it that, for these people.
there is also another mode: Mewtwo brainrot
Amen. This game has been out 3 years and the majority of players have never learned or improved at all.
@@themarimo3324 You forgot AFK goobers
true, most of the time they just flip ray and then try to fight afterwards
It sucks cuz this game forces a mentality of if YOU arent there to manage the game, then everything becomes your fault in the end. Ive been nudged by my duo partner for making plays that rely on me giving a bit of trust to my teammates and esentially getting fucked cuz said teammates ended up unreliable.
Your play was not wrong especially taking on account the timer, but the fact that you trusted your team to handle things smartly is what eventually screwed it... Again not your fault this IS a TEAM game afterall and you SHOULD be able to trust your own teammates to do shit correctly... Alas.. thats Unite for ya.
Seems like people don't understand the general rule of not ripping Ray and defend it from enemy if you're leading, but somehow I'm not surprised none of them understand it
Like he said himself. Never trust your teammates. He saw his team ripping it and trusted them to get it. Even when he saw gardevoir there. They didnt even need to do ray. They just needed to stop garde from scoring and that should have been option still after failed backcap. He had time go back base and jump top, but he decided to farm instead.
you said "if you're leading". They weren't
@@shape33They would be leading when cris gets his guaranteed 100 off
@@AntiStreamlabs they would be leading when Cris gets Garde and did Ray. See? I can do what you did too
@@shape33 Why would you do Ray if you're already winnning?
Slowbro didn't zone Garde
Gren was AFK for first ray fight
Teammates didn't pay attention to score and clock.
Could we say you should have chased down Garde? Sure. Could we expect your crayon eating teammates to win a 4 vs 1. Also yes.
Not your fault, you made a good play.
100% this.
I call it "Zapdos syndrome". Basically, it's in almost everyone's mindset that you need Rayquaza to win and even if that is true 80% of the time, people are willing throw to secure Rayquaza even at times when it's not necessary. With that being said, it's not entirely everyone's fault to think this way. The devs are to blame here because there is absolutely no education or thought process on how to play these types of games and it's just bad game design at the end of the day.
Edit: People also seem to forget this game is about SCORING POINTS TO WIN. Rayquaza is nothing but a broken buff to secure said points. That's it!
All the people in the youtube and twitter chat blaming Cris are the ones that are amongst the craziest idiots in the game
(Havent watched the analysis of the clip yet for context) The fact people think back capping at 30 seconds left, with 4 people down, in a close game like this is a bad play is wild to me. The fact that we dont have secure and rip ray into the freeest 100 point back cap is insane. And then the fact that we lost ray 1v3 is also stupid. And lets spin the story further. If cris goes mid to stop garde, and then you get ray... is there even enough time to get to a goal and score 100 points? Considering their hoopa at minimum is back and can use phantom force to prevent players reaching the goal in time i would not bet on those chances. Now on to see what cris has to say
It's not a bad play. What is bad is the misplaced trust in his teammates who preferred to shred Ray with 30 seconds left rather than try and score.
With the insane amount of information on how to play this game properly on the internet, it surprises me how 95% of the player base still has absolutely no
idea how to play the game.
People have such a bias against backcapping that they completely ignore when its the RIGHT play. This was definitely the right play. Backcaps at the right times WIN games!
Ripping ray is the biggest mistake of randoms
And why he should of not left it he brags about being good at soloq yet makes such a simple mistake that a soloq player who claims to be good should not make or at the very least admit to it. Part of playing soloq is playing off of what you know your idiot teammates are going to do and he failed.
@@unit900000You can not control other people. Believe me if you can KO your teamates he would have done so.
@@unit900000this is not a simple mistake though. What he did is 100% the right play. Lets assume he chases garde. Maybe he gets her, maybe he doesnt, she does have a really good head start in terms of distance, even with buzz passive speed boost. If he doesnt, hes also not last hitting ray, so she steals and the game is 100% a loss. He doesnt have tools to last hit himself as buzz, so same scenario if he goes for that instead. But what if, because teammates are unreliable, meow decided to back there instead of ripping ray? Now cris is in mid for ray, but his team doesnt have the damage to rip ray in time, get to a goal and score(which is questionable even with meow there, the enemy team has tools to prevent them from getting to a goal). Also a loss. This was the play with the highest chance of succes based on the premise of your teammates being really bad and unpredictable no matter how you look at it.
@@BarnzTT I never said he needs to control other people he just needs to make the correct decisions based on what teammates are doing and its obvious randoms are going to rip Ray but he decided to walk away from it instead of keeping the Gard away.
@@someone999555obviously it was not the play with the highest chance of winning lmao if he was *THAT* good then he would’ve realized if and when garde steals ray that his score would be interrupted. And it was..
Garde could've stole that anyway when Cris chase it because Ray was already low. However in that scenario his team needs to score later and enemy will be already respawned making it harder. So yeah going for score was indeed the right play.
The bigger problem is how Ray fight is literally just a coin flip no matter how good you play. It was supposed to be better Zapdos but they later buffed it and made it worst.
Its not right play, if you lose the game doing so. Only way to win that is to go gardevoir. Yes his teammates did a mistake, but they also could have trusted cris to take on garde. In the end he did the losing option. Even if garde gets ray. He could have easily stopped it from scoring. Even after failed backcap just go back base and jump top score.
@@Aleksi723 I mentioned that Cris team needed to score as well
@@nikunjkhangwal Cris team was winning before garde scored.
@@Aleksi723 garde did not score tho, you can notice that blaze and gren stopped her and the goal stayed alive, if you actually watched the vid you will notice gardevoir had only 30 points scored during the game in end screen when she had 50 post ray
The only loss is lack of communication. Because you get punished for breathing in mic.
It should be unbanneable by this point, only mutable, because nobody likes not being able to communicate
The fact that Cris has been streaming for years and enough people know enough about him to the point where people stream snipe, taunt, troll , grief him etc and yet the player base is still so clueless is the problem. Pokemon fans in video games aren’t known for their immense intellect they are known for trading intellect for cheating. This is the real issue. Cris those of us who are versed in moba and competitive play know that you made the right decision .
Rayquaza gives a massive shield, heal you, hit the ennemi wherever they are, give you points, I think it gives you a secret attack buff, and moremover your scores are double.
I think the game would be sooooo much more fair if :
-the shield is weaker,
- the scores aren't double in the final 2 minutes
That way ray would still be a flip gamer, but waaaaaay less.
"Secret" attack buff? Nothing secret about it.
The shield used to be weaker and ray used to have a lot more health. I think that was a lot better to play with
@@kimbee2 true
No.. That isn't right.. The game design of Pkmn unite isn't like classic mobas (LOL or ML type)
It's a fixed 10 minutes match... With "scoring more points" Not "breaking towers"
If unite implement ur method it will become sneaky scores all around... Ppl will ignore fights and always go for sneaky scores
4 players are down with vision on the last, I’d say you can back cap. Idk that’s just me 😂
You mean going forward to make a regular not backing capping score lol
I don’t think any play was 100% wrong, both would still win you the game but I think you should’ve played with your team on this one though. That’s just because teammates are unreliable unless proven otherwise, but ultimately I think this is just bad luck
Your reasoning is correct. It was not the only way to secure the win but it is a totally valid one, even more considering that this is solo queue. I would have personally preferred that you try to stop Gardevoir, but most likely you were too far to do that
I always keep an aux cord mic plugged in to my Switch because I've been in this situation so many times.
When I'm in this situation, I always call out "UNDER 40 SECONDS! WE CAN'T TAKE RAYQUAZA! JUST SCORE!"
That usually gets them off Ray, but then I see something that just breaks my heart. They manage to take the right play in the wrong way.
They all come to the same goal I'm going to, instead of split pushing. Then we either waste too much time fighting on goal with jump pads or get team wiped BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUMP PADS!
*5 PLAYERS CANNOT SCORE ON THE SAME GOAL!*
Sounds good but you know what happens? Reported
@@BrownieEXE almost every time
There’s 2 problems (major) with this player base.
1) There’s a large swathe of players who still, to this day, do not understand how to play in general, as well as Macro/Micro positioning.
2) Theres a large swathe of players who know how to play, but are incredibly toxic about it and are usually willing to cause drama or throw games just because people don’t do as they ask.
Between the 2 groups, I’m willing to bet they make up 25-45% of the player base as a whole.
i’m currently in the midst of playing and learning another moba (smite), and it has shown me just how uneducated and ignorant most of the playerbase is, and as a gold player in that game with a lot to learn still, this playerbase would quit if this game became actually skillful
That leo guy is a true indicator as to how clueless the unite player base are
The other elephant in the room is that rayquaza is just a stupidly broken mechanic that should have been massively nerfed ages ago but we all gave up harassing the devs for it lol. Like Is the ray tornado really necessary on top of the absolutely massive shield that raises like all of your team’s stats?
Here's my plan. = 2 players go scoring in both goals at the same time(they must split up) / 1 or 2 players auto-attack ray slightly to drag Garde to the centre, and prepare to bother Garde as long as they can / those players who succeeded at scoring can comeback to centre, or go back to defense the goal zone.
Good plan, but do you really expect goal getter owl to do this?
For this particular play, your teammates messed up by not securing. You did what you felt you had to and 4-1 your teammates should have secured ray even if it was a bad move. Im always on secure ray since thats usually the only way to lose and in that scenario, i can see how easy it is to just take it with the whole enemy down. But gardevoir just did the one play to secure the game and nobody did anything about it. It wasnt a bad play on your part it was just a great play from theirs. Hindsight is 20/20 but i think everyone played to their win condition and forgot to check the lose.
I wouldn’t call winning a die roll a great play but nonetheless, this situation was out of Cris’s control.
@ItzMiKeKirbY it was a great play because he recognized his win condition and took advantage of it. Yes there was luck involved but there's always luck no matter what. Had he chickened out and not sent to Ray at all, he lost 100% of the time.
This was the best play you could do, there's no way you could have reached gardevoir before he got ray
Actually I gotta say it's a mix of both, (comment prior to watching the full vid) I think I can see his thought process being that with the time remaining and no need to rip Ray, scoring is the winning move as your other teammates could (and should've) take care of Garde. However it's something that even the most experienced of players cannot take into account, the randomness of situations that can happen, how they decide to rip instead and Garde happens to steal it, Cris could've taken that into consideration too and well, after KOing Crustle you should remember Buzz does get Beast Boost which does enable him to rush down and chase Gardevoir reliably (tbh that distance was NOTHING he definitely could've made it, so the rip would've been safer and probably guaranteed too.
Tldr I honestly believe it's a mix of both where obviously his thought process is in the right but Unite's lack of communication shows the teammates cannot be relied on or be aware of the win condition, but also the other route Cris could've taken to guarantee victory.
Seen the full vid now I'd just fix wording and say Cris is 100% in the right thought process but he also could've mitigated the damage done by his teammates had he gone for Garde instead. Either way the teammates ripping Ray are 100% at fault, just Cris had the choice between a conveniently "optimal" route that could secure victory at that moment or the honest right play to score and win (actual optimal route here)
@@ciccio7663 he couldn't get garde before it got ray but can score a 50 before it steals ray? Yeah makes sense.
@@lloydter Assuming teammates are not ripping or someone on his team deals with the garde. His mistake was trusting his teammate not going to score
@@lmChillsThere is a good chance that beast boost wears off before he can make to the garde before they steal
Unfortunately no, Cris, you're wrong.
Going for the "winning score" in case your team messes up? Well they did mess up, and that mess entirely stopped your score.
Therefore your "winning score" was never going to happen if your team messed up. You had to win together.
And you'll still insist you're right so whatever.
????????
His team threw that game, hard. There was 100% no reason to touch Ray, let alone rip it. They should have just let the clock run out while Chris got that score. The right play was to defend Ray at that point, not rip it. You're crazy.
@@frankpennachio2901 bro's the insane one here. They were playing from behind, they needed to securely score. Defending ray and letting Cris score is great had it been a coordinated team decision. Which it wasn't. Since ray was already started, "defending ray strat" is out of the question. It's literally adapting. Cris did not adapt to a team play and continued with solo q mentality.
Cris makes a lot of good calls, this isn't one of them.
@@rewind_kitsune Thats the thing he claims to be good at soloq but doesn't understand most soloq players will rip Ray somehow and decides to walk away while Gard was still alive. Calling that decision soloq mentality is quite frankly insulting to soloq players that know how to play off of the gameplay behavior of randoms.
I love how everyone in comment is saying Crisheroes made the right play like imagine if this was your solo random player would you not yell at them to get back into the ray area. But to defend his point.. I mean slowbro could have zone gradevior too and the other two pokemon could secure better
4:10 You literally admitted you was worried about your team messing up on Rayquaza and you decided to leave it when one was still alive when you should know randoms will just try to rip it instead of trying to keep the Gardevoir away from it. You made the wrong call thats partly why you lost.
I dont think it's your fault, but youve played enough to know if garde got the secure, your game winning score would be interrupted by the ray tornado. But the main issue is that your team cant 1v4 secure against a gardevoir :/
Both were the right desission.
1. to try to score
2. Rip ray.
If guardevoir goes to Ray an let you score to fight over Ray --> Score and leave Ray
If guardevoir would have followed you to mess up ur Score u wouldn't have bring in the points and you still would lose.
--> RIP Ray to secure the final Score.
Its not an easy dessision if u can't comunicate. The funny thing is that your score nighter the rayRIP doesnt cost you the game but only the Tornardo in the right timing.
Killing ray stuns whole enemy team
And gives you that stupid op shield
If both were correct then why were both the wrong decisions that caused the team to lose...
Pokemon unite's playerbase includes
-2% actually good players
-18% casual and decent level skill players
-40% casual and don't care about ranked so pick anything players
-35% actual bra@in dead players
-5% afk and troll players
Last two type of players are attracted to Pokemon unite like flies to a garbage dumpster because of abysmal matchmaking and zero punishment given to offline and trolls
Don't forget about the 50% bots
Well i am saying after excluding bots but yeah bots in ranked is stupid@@dereivid7151
Ur Team did needed a score. Guardevoir didn'teven score. Riping Ray does literally nothing if noone else scores for your Team.
The Task to decide if you RIP Ray or not is just to complicatet in a close Battle, atleast if cant comunicate with your Teammates.
I agree with everything but there is still a miracle play you could have made. The ray tornado hits at 00:32 game time, you can avoid it with lunge and start scoring again at 00:31 or 00:30. The score time for 50 points is 6 seconds and hoopa landed on the pad exactly at 00:24. Maybe Iam wrong cause I didn't really bothered calculating the milliseconds but it was definitely a possible insane play.
All you had to do was reposition yourself in ray pit up top after the tank went down lol
That's the Meowscarada with the Cinderace mentality ripping Ray ALONE with low HP not letting their team heal up at base or going to score
I often feel like my teammates actively try to lose... this is a great example of how they do it.
First I saw the video and thought how stupid they were, then I read some comments as well and just got sad...
What a playerbase... ouch.
It really is difficult to win games when even your teammates play against you.
I don't think anyone did anything too bad here, it's easy to point things out in hindsight.
Your team knew they were losing, so they decided ripping Ray was the proper choice, it's just tragic it was stolen. Your decision was fine too, the correct play can be hard to make in the moment and not everyone was on the same page, stuff like this is bound to happen.
What I'm not a fan of, is being so tilted that you post it on Twitter (despite supposedly knowing what the response is going to be), blaming your teammates, then playing the victim when people blame you instead. What do you want people to say? Of course they're going to suggest you did something different, simply being outraged with you and shitting on your team isn't productive at all.
It's extra cringe when your response to some of these people is basically saying "do you know who I am? I'm THE CrisHeroes".
It was clearly posted seeking validation to justify your frustration. You didn't get it there so you're now making a RUclips video roasting them, all for the same stupid game. Just let it go.
Ok cris it's not your fault it also happens with me most of the time...when i play solo q...if people loos they blame teammates... it's Ok.
I actually decided to uninstall the game last night.
I've been playing since day one, and I just can't do it anymore. Hopefully, Timi cracks down on the trolls and the clueless players eventually, then I may come back.
OK my take here is; your play to score was correct but also, you would have won had you chased Garde down as your team was clearly committed to needlessly burning Ray down. As you rightly stated and know well, teammates are not reliable to make the right calls and clearly were making a poor one here. However, you had the oppotunity to mitigate that and didn't do so. And your team failed by not at least putting pressure on the Garde. All in all, an unfortunate case of poor decision making by your team and you not responding to account for that. Which annoyingly, is sometimed necessary in soloq.
It's gonna be everyone's fault at the end but cris legit carried the team... then when everyone was wiped moved forward to score... like all you had to do was kill gardevour and chill...
“Knockout opposing Pokémon”
Most of the time Solo-Q is 1 vs 9,
Your teammates be your biggest enemies, with their under 50k damage and them never being on time for Ray or any of the objectives.
And the only time they score is when their stacking giving up free goals and getting knocked out every second, giving the opposing team lane more experience than the Jungler
That's why trolls thought they're being trolled in the first place, if you don't support them in their bad decisions
It’s pretty common knowledge that under a minute there’s no point for ray, you go and try score last minute points
Its hard to say what would have happened if you made different decision with randoms the game will always be random not saying your decision was wrong, to me it seems like bad luck, stuff like this dont happens often.
You should expect that at this point support your team and things would have gone differently maybe. Jake has an excellent example of this in his new road to masters series. Trust me I totally understand where you’re coming from and I know you know well and good that you can’t depend on your teammates, but I was quite surprised to see how much success Jake had by simply supporting his team and being positive
Seeing the situation in the 38th second of the game and the final result, I perfectly understand that it was a tragedy, especially since they couldn't understand each other. Before the battle against Crustle, Meowscarada had already started the rayquaza, which you can see in that second its location on the map and that due to a competitive reaction it was not possible for you to capture it due to the concentration of the moment, and at the same time the flippers began a rayquaza without smite to ensure (dead blaziken), with a live gardevoic and without realizing that his CARRY was already putting victory on a silver platter for them. They also let go of the pressure they had created with the death of the crustle by letting the garde free, which the tank should have at least maintained to at least stop the psychic which was what the rayquaza ensured in its entirety and not launch the abilities ahead of time as happened in rayquaza.
As for the decision I would have made, it varies in the communication with my team (if I have communication with them I would make exactly that play to score), but I think it would not have taken away the psychological pressure on the gardevoic, since the positions I could take were very limited and easy to predict in that situation so a chase to grab it would have been ideal, since the rayquaza would end up in time to score on the bases, of course (Of course, realizing how daring the ally meowscarada was)... it can also happen that they suddenly stop hitting the rayquaza after making that and disgrace worse than your decision making.
However, I greatly value your experience as a player and carry, and I will always be using it to learn more knowledge for my own game.
Need use signal messages retire by the shield defend
I think you made the right play, but I can't deny staying at Ray would've still been good. If I was in that game I would have either helped you score, or hopefully noticed the Gardevoir positioning to the top to steal, so that I could interrupt. Or, my monkey brain, hit ray as well and hope for the best. While hindsight is 20/20, I think you are correct, with little time on the clock, if the rest of your team went home to defend/defend Ray, or helped you score you win 100%. I understand why they get rid of Ray, in order to get rid of the opportunity for them to win, but in that scenario they gave them the opportunity to win. If they helped you score, y'all would've had way more points, to where even Ray might've not helped the enemy, or if they returned home they could defend if the enemy somehow tries to score, or if they miraculous get Ray and try to score with the little time left. All in all I think I would've tried a similar play. Not to mention while Chris is good and had beast boost it's possible he could've been kited by the Gardevoir, best that would've done is alert his team or scare the Gardevoir into maybe not stealing, but I doubt any would've happened. Plus not to mention, why does Chris have to carry the responsibility of getting the Gardevoir, he's playing Buzz! No matter the excuse of randoms will be random I seriously don't understand why the team couldn't handle it, it's like all the criticism on Cris doesn't apply to his team, like yeah I get it they're randoms but also it's just Gardevoir, any Pokemon could've killed it, and a support could've at least stunned it or body blocked. I think Cris was 99% right here, the 1% is just hindsight bro, I know what it's like to get lost in the sauce, especially with Buzz
"I've seen people lose ray to a comfey basic attack" you really had to call out team YT like that smh
A successful backcap is like getting the Snitch in Quidditch. Imagine your teammates telling you, a Seeker, that you going for a Snitch is a bad idea. WTF are you supposed to do then?
Also, now that I think about it, Unite and Quidditch have a lot of similarities huh?
I’ve had multiple game winning blackcaps, it’s almost never out of question
Son équipe était faible . C'est la raison pour laquelle il à perdue. Mais je pense que CrisHeroes aurait dû essayer de leur dire privilégier le scoring au lieu de faire le ray
I would do the same depending on how many points I have. With 50 on me and the 1 min announcement saying it's a close fight, I would definitely go for the score.
This is equivalent to a celebrity arguing with people who don't recognize him. It was never ur fault, ur team didn't think it through enough and just ripped an unnecessary objective. It's like ripping regieleki 5 seconds before rayquaza spawns and they all just get obliterated by a unite move and they blame u for being smart enough to leave the objective alone
I got blamed for not distracting the entire enemy team at the Ray fight (we had a huge lead) long enough for my team to respawn when my entire team (Blastoise, Mewtwo, Pikachu, Aegislash) died at 2:05 while pushing Regieleki despite me pinging retreat and let's gather at center 3 times. Oh and I was playing Espeon and they expected me to stop Trev, Falinks, Crustle, Mewtwo, and Inteleon on my own. Unite player base IQ isn't that high. -_-
Dont let these gremlins fool you into thinking you made a bad play. After the big team fight Rayquaza was at full HP, absolutely braindead play when they just had to pressure the Gardevoir and let you and maybe another speedster run off and score.
Well this is how unite player are. We have player who don't know when to score and when to rip ray. Like i have scenario where 4 people of enemy team are down and still my team refuse to rip ray and last enemy was not even long range or any secure and matter of fact yes we were behind in score by considerable margin
Note when I say this, I'm not saying Cris was wrong to make the decision he did given that he is a much better player than I will ever be, as much as I'm saying that this is a universal experience that anyone can have and a mindset that we all unfortunately need to keep in games like this.
Going for the score when the game should already be won in order to secure wasn't the mistake. The mistake was assuming that your teammates will either be on the same page as you or can get the job done without you in solo queue, especially in a game without a typed chat system. That, sadly, is something that just cannot be fixed sometimes. You can do the right thing and still lose because no one else has that same understanding.
We're not only talking about Unite playerbase, we're talking about Pokémon fanbase: people that pay full price for half-assed games and defends the company over everything.
Logic isn't a thing one can expect here tbh, especially on twitter.
Those guys were tryhards, bc if the entire enemy team is down, just go and score points. You dont need Ray to win, and the enemies will need to decide where to go.
If you're doing Ray, as a Meowscarada to stop doing it and KO the Gardevoir.
I fully agree unite player base is just TERRIBLE in playing and understanding the concept of the game overall. I am a long time DOTA player and currently 1680 rank in unite. This game is a joke compared to DOTA in terms of difficulty it blows my mind howw majority of players are extremely bad in unite
People have such a aversion go scoring during ray that people cant recognize the right time to score
You made the right call. They should have gone after Gard. Ugh I get that so many times. No reason to do it. So frustrating. Worse is the Cinder that goes in and immediately rips with entire enemy team there. This is the dumbest player base I have ever experienced. I think I say that everytime I play.
I've had that happen with Ray so many times and it's infuriating. I wish they would fix that or something because it's cost me so many games!
Sometimes you have to do weird things when you are carrying and these newbs don't understand this
Your entire team could've literally gone back to heal, back to the Ray pit and then killed Gardevoir in the time you scored. Gardevoir alone won't be taking Ray in those few seconds and from the point where Gardevoir's teammates would be reviving the opponent would have a whopping 30 seconds to either:
1. Try to score on your end, which leaves more than enough time for your team to defend against them.
2. Try to take Ray, which would have now failed, as from the 30s to 20s mark, assuming Gardevoir is now KO'd, leaves a Charizard and a Hoopa with way too little DPS to kill Ray by themselves nor the manpower to reliably fight against your now theoretically fully healed team. They'd get Ceruledge back for the last 20s but this would've been far too little time to take Ray and still score if your team put up any form of a fight to stall.
There was simply too little time to work with. The only difference here might've been that had you by some miracle succesfully taken the Ray secure, the team would've obviously been able to score easily. But why would I blame you for trying to take the often safer approach? I'd say that window to score with no one to defend against it was a god given opportunity only worth taking when you did as any second later would've had opponents on the defense.
I mean thats the name of the game if your career is being a youtuber especially if you are specified in a single niche. Being able to branch out is the best thing you can do right now, cut down life expenses, maybe have an investment portfolio or get a career. Honestly, I would suggest trying to branch out, but keep in mind the success rate of this is quite low. What makes you special? Well, you are very good at pokemon unite. If you can share the same skill level in another game, then it is definitely possible for you to branch out.
it's so easy to look at what happened and say "oh focusing gardevoir or zoning them would have won", but what if chasing garde led to the other team having time to come back and fight for ray? also easy to say that ripping ray cost everyone the game. also no one at ray decided to zone the top section from a steal, which is really the problem imo. The thing is in this stage of the game, you're going to have to commit to a decision that has the highest likelihood of victory, and chris did. if he KNEW what his team was going to do and garde, then sure he would have done differently, but you can never know that.
Nah, Cris, you’re 100% correct. We know how bad solo queue teammates are and these people who criticize you are the exact same people. I honestly don’t think there’s any correct choice you could have made in that situation where Gardevoir ends up taking Ray. It’s your team’s fault for hitting Ray and it’s your team’s fault for not securing. The best you can do is hope and more often than not your teammates let you down. Don’t lose your sanity Cris.
There were four opposing players down. Your whole team can either score or the whole team can rip Ray and then score. I can see and understand BOTH scenarios.
But on a five man team, it was you who left and did your own thing. And Garde DID go unchecked. You say you knew exactly where it was, but that's even worse because you chose not to do anything.
In a game that lacks real communication, the team was at Ray, and you left them. But it's a total team failure in the end. That's my two cents.
I hate to say this but no matter how bad your teammates are. You should stay with your team and support them. Even though you loose. Just follow the process. Everytime I play Pokemon unite. No one plays support or defender role. So by default I always play defender.
agreed, this isn’t saying to get team wiped every fight cause your lvl 6 at 3;11 and all your team wants to do is fight, but I think you should just play around your team to the best that you can.
I remember an old heroes of the storm saying:
It's better to join your team in making a bad play than trying to do a good play by yourself.
You will probably win more games if you play carries rather than supports
(Quick note defenders can also carry)
Unless you're playing with duos trios etc
From my experience it's better to assume they don't know how to play the game rather than assuming they know how to play the game
thats not always true, many times going by your own play is much more better then feeding with your team
it can be of course true sometimes (example : taking a fight you feel like you have low chance of winning) but in this case i feel him joining his team change nothing while him doing the right play had a possibility of winning
One thing I know, having a defender in your team definitely increases your probability of win rate .
I honestly would have done the same, ain't no way I'm ripping ray when there's a free cap right there which can push us further ahead. The rest of the enemy team is down so who is gonna stop us? This is just a difference of game sense/skill.
Even if they get the ray the score isn’t guaranteed. They could break shields and you could still lose, your score was guaranteed (until it wasn’t 😂)
Meowscarada, Greninja, and Slowbro had no business hitting Ray with 30 seconds left. Made the game a coin flip unnecessarily. Honestly, players have no map awareness so I doubt they even saw you were going for a score.
No rayquaza = 100% win rate
Greed Rayquaza = risk losing for no added benefit
This was definitely not your fault. Even with the added speed boost, there was no guarantee if you could reach gardevoir in time. Also, the other commenters don't even know what "backcapping" means, the enemy team was dead.
Idk Cris just accept it.. I would’ve looked at their respond timer and saw two under 5 sec that’s when I rule out back capping, I would’ve chased Gardi especially knowing it’s unite move it 💯
All in all good game it happens to the best.
Ok so it's Cris fault not the greninja who was afk for half of the match and only came back to rip ray for the garde
One thing is they aimlessly ripped knowing the garde can last hit (or maybe they don't)
It's not like his team couldn't go for they garde
why? a 50 score takes 6 seconds and the lowest respawn time was also 6 seconds plus the time to get to pad and jump to the goal zone ups that even more. even at 5 seconds its a safe play to score with 50 and anything less is just free.
@@yo-kaikid1925 Normally I’d agree however - It’s the two minute warning, main priority is Ray. Especially if you know a Gardi is live an w/ a unite move.
Fair choice to score when they are 4 dead to be honest, i'd probably make the same play
I think situations like this happen because there aren't a lot of quality resources teaching players how to play really well. In a recent video you asked for input on what kind of content you could add to increase your viewership. Perhaps you could put together a series of in depth instructional videos. Go from beginner to advanced. I'd watch them. I have two stickers and my macro is still garbage. If someone told goobers like me when to rotate, the player base would be better for it in general. Just a thought.
Cris was wrong imo. Cris shouldn't have trouble zoning the garde especially after getting beast boost speed. His teammates are also idiots but cris still should have gone for the ko. Better safe than sorry
I've been playing mobas for more than 10 years now
In my experience and what i think is
Regardless soloq or party, communication plays a key role
U certainly cannot read the minds of ur team. It's very obnoxious
The only way to fix this in unite is that u either open Vchat or (for mobile players, give them text chat).
Let's be real, no moba can work without proper communication especially in a 10min game.
I think the team should try to scores as 4 enemies died, gardevoir will try stop one of the goals breaking at the very least ray still available then try to force the enemies to take ray fight again
expect enemis were about to respawn
i cant believe after you explaining the whole situation people still think you are wrong? I think you made the right play to be honest.
I understand the logic of scoring when you down 4 and dont need ray but lets be honest you cant count on randoms and they mess up trying to RIP rayquaza without taking care of the gardevoir 😂. People on this game will fk up and blame others it's insane.
There was 25 seconds left in the game, 4 people dead, and you were closer to the goal than ray and could score without getting jumped on.
If ray was at 100% health, there is no way a Gardevoir (and spawning teammates) could win a teamfight + kill ray + score OR try to backcap themselves if your team defended ray and you backed to base after scoring your 100.
There are times when we are way ahead of the team... winning. And they decide to push hard during ray spawn..they die. We lose. There's no reason to push. No reason to rip ray. Just defend. Players just don't understand man.
You explained yourself very well tbh. They should've just killed Garde themselves then hid in the bush for the 2nd team fight
You also had an AFK Greninja… yeah how people can blame you is crazy
Keep up the great content Cris! Love the videos
your meowscarada really said “let me hand a free win to the enemy team rq” everyday i question what creatures play this game
crazy how of the thousands of games cris has played, this is one of those very few times that a play is controversial. shows just how far cris is from the average soloq playerbase
this is a problem that started long ago, people dont know what backcap is, and they think scoring while the enemy is there is wrong, no one speaks about this ever xD, they dont know the situation or when to score or not, its just pure ignorance
I would just tell you that, it happens. Your team decide to gamble Ray, while you decided to gamble scoring It's also debateble to go for Gardevoir. I don't think you are the only one to blame tho. Gren < 10% hp and Meoscara dying to ray maybe they should have gone score too
lol speaking of people not knowing what they are doing, their hoopa took a looooong time to jump, I wonder if you still get the 50 off if you stick it because of how slow the jump was. Would have been close :30 down to :24 on the jump. But you aren’t wrong, however the 43% win rate players on twitter and in the comments will probably explain to you what you did wrong 😂
MOBAs generally have very toxic player communities, unfortunately. Most players do not understand the mechanics, map awareness, or objectives of the game, which is frustrating.
4 of the enemies dead and only Gardevoir is alive, that was ray for sure unless u have time to split score and guarantee the win without ray but ray still offers the security to score cause two of the enemies had lower respawn time,u scoring has nothing to do with the loss,they were burning the ray and they lost it that's all,happens all the time, whether u win by 5 points or 200 a win is a win and a loss is a loss,u just acknowledge what was the mistake,which in this case was not securing ray and go to the next one.
I think you were making the overall right team play, however since you didn't ping your team "wait a sec" or "lets attack gardvoir" it was a bad call. The lack of communication on your end was partially to blame, (I acknowledge that they may not have listened anyway but not doing anything is way worse).
I'm Not saying your team wasn't bad, especially because they didn't stop hitting ray. But thats just solo queue you can do everything right and still lose. Overall not your fault but there are things you could've done better.
These are the players who think in masterranked they are also the master. If they were at 1.6+ they wouldn't write such bullshit
Your team's decision to rip ray while Garde was up was bad but i disagree with your decision to backcap instead of killing Garde. You had beast boost and with lunge as well you could easily pressure or kill her.
I agree with you here
Yeah even if he couldn't ko the garde he could have pressured it to making a wrong move or delay her and at the same time maybe make your team aware of its presence and delay the rip while at it. Bcoz even if you had shouted at the comms on these randoms to not rip that gren would still rip it.
Except he cant. She has a massive lead in distance -> even with beast boost theres absolutely no guarantee he catches garde there. Theres no guarantee the 1hp gren and 10% hp meow rip ray there: if they retreat to recover hp or cover garde backcap then this game is a loss too. Theyre behind in score and need to score somehow. Cris giaranteed scores there without ray tornado. This is by far the most reliable way to win the game. Even if cris does stop garde steal, which im very doubtful of, theres no guarantee anyone on his team can get to a goal with 10 seconds left and hoopa phantom force to push them back from reaching a goal.
@@someone999555”massive lead” it was a couple steps of a regular speed gardevoir. She has 0 mobility. Meanwhile he had breast boost and lunge.. he could’ve caught her. I understand being his fan but that doesn’t mean blindly agreeing with every single thing he says and does
@@someone999555even if he couldn't
He could've just blocked her from getting closer to ray
+ He had speed