Behind the Mix: Megadeth Peace Sells
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Sitting down with Paul Lani, mix Engineer on Megadeth's Peace Sells & we discuss the incredible drum sound he got on this record! Paul also went on to produce So Far, So Good, So What!
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Amazing!! Paul Lani is not only one of the most talented people out there he’s also one of the nicest! Great video Glenn!! I’m excited to interview him as well!
Awesome dude, can't wait for it !
Thanks for making it possible, Warren!
@@SpectreSoundStudios you're welcome! Been waiting for yours so I can interview him! Haha He's really great!!
Dave fired him on Rust In Peace.
@@klauth_Yksyn Dave has fired everyone at this point.
"...just a hint of drum samples"
Knives were sharpened.
The drum sound on that record is monstrous.. especially the toms...
Yes, a hint and only to trigger Reverb or add a tiny bit of attack to the front of a kick. I worked with Paul many years ago and he gets an amazing drum sound within minutes! He's really talented!
@@Producelikeapro I’m convinced there exists nobody in audio that you don’t know
I blame Andy Wallace.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Black album has samples mixed in kick, snare, and even hi-hat, just saying.
Gar was a big part of how that band sounded back then. His style really gave them a unique sound.
Gar was out of this world sick on the first two albums. Heavily jazz influenced.
@@CardShark_Chris Dude was a total monster on the kit for sure. He was a Jazz guy first but he fit really well with thrash.
They were actually both in a jazz fusion band together before megadeth!
@@venividivicichannel I had heard that but have not been able to find any music by them. I bet it's badass.
@@brpadington ruclips.net/video/aDKSZCfa3dc/видео.html should've just posted this originally, but there you go!
The part where he talked about punching Dave at the vocal mic and yelling "I don't believe you!" to get a good performance out of him... Holy shit. That gave me goosebumps.
the world deserves a dave mustain biopic movie!
Me too! His vocals on that album are my absolute favorite, and it was interesting to hear about how he got vocals out of him!
A young James Franco would have been perfect for Mustaine's role.
The sample part killed me. Press F for Glenn.
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How he used the cut technique during the chorus of Peace Sells really makes a massive difference in the song. It was the right choice.
I have heard an alternate mix where the bass isn’t cut. I wonder where that came from?
There's definitely something magical about Peace Sells. It's weird that they have such an amazing sounding album so early in their career. The previous album had great songs, but it really wasn't all there yet, it sounded like a demo. With Peace Sells: IT'S ALL THERE! It sounds like a band at the pinnacle of their career, but they were just starting.
I AGREE WITH MAGICAL PEACE SELLS, I DISAGREE ABOUT KIMB, KIMB IS MY FAVORITE MEGADETH ALBUM
I love that record too, I just don't think it's recorded as well. @@leonshreds
Always thought the same thing
Glen loves samples when he doesn't know they're there lmao
True. He praises the black album snare all the time when there was a sample in there as well
That should be the goal. Its not the fact that “samples suck”. It’s more about how it’s so obvious that every metal record uses the same snare and kick samples. It’s fucking boring.
@@ChadKirk agreed man. If you listen to magma by Gojira or ESPECIALLY Periphery’s last 2 albums, those albums have such a natural sound, and you KNOW there is samples in there, but it’s fun to sit there and try to find them. Plus, having those two amazing drummers of Matt and Mario being heard as they are is just a wonderful thing to hear.
@@jacee8094 i'm pretty sure Nolly basically added kick sample for more aggression (aka click) and his signature snare ambience sound to add just a little bit more depth
@@jacee8094 that being said, i'm basically on board with Nolly and the other Canadian (Jordan Valeriote) when it comes to producing modern Metal,
Awesome! Everyone always says Rust In Peace is Megadeth's masterpiece, but I think this one is way better
I agree.
Imagine punching Dave in the studio yet emerging still perfectly intact
That part was so funny!
Isnt he a blackbelt?
@@diobrando5896 Yep. He actually has around five I'm pretty sure. I'll have to check my sources though.
@@diobrando5896 he's a kick boxer
Still, drunk Dave was pretty fucking dangerous
Paul Lani essentially co-wrote the hook to Peace Sells by muting the guitars. That's awesome.
Peace Sells has the best drum performance in the history of metal.......IMO. Gar was a beast!
GAR is FKN AMAZING
Especially on The Conjuring
When it was said that drum samples were used, I was expecting Glenn to have an aneurysm.
Seriously though, I love hearing interviews like this. Gives me ideas to play with in my mixes. It reminds me of reading “Back to the Front”, the book Metallica put out about the making of Master of Puppets. It mentions that there’s actually 5 rhythm guitar tracks (two on each side and one dead center) so I tried that on a track I’m working on and I love the sound of it. Take those 5 tracks, throw them into their own bus to EQ, and you have a massive guitar sound.
Okay, Fricker sorta got owned, but his case for all acoustic drums still holds massive weight in today’s recording environment. There’s a big difference between using samples to shape the tone vs. using samples to make a weak drum performance sound powerful. Paul Lani didn’t have some lame “metal drums” sample pack that is used by a million other bands-the record still sounds quite natural and unique. Do not let Lani’s light drum enhancements on an already great performance/recording justify your low effort productions. It’s kind of like music theory: once you have a firm grasp on it, then you can “break the rules” in a meaningful way. Plus, the power of a modern, digital FX chain can do a lot of what Lani’s samples did with only the source audio.
The fact that he admitted he got owned by that fact makes me respect him even more. Still a great record!
@@kmatthe4
Agreed. Imagine if Glenn started lecturing him instead haha
Glen does kind exagurate the case for co,edy value, but in practice I suspect hes a bit more nuanced about this sort of thing. Like everything, if it makes the music bettter, do it, otherwise practice restraint. (And hes stated plenty of times that if your a bedroom musician with no access to drums then sure, use samples, just if you DO have access, real is better than fake.)
Music theory is a bad analogy here, because you can't break its rules. If you do, you sound abominable. Everything that's not about major or minor is well documented and scientifically explained also, and it's even included in a very basic form in elementary theory. Stuff like Dorian, Phrygian, and Locrian modes, which are very common in rock and metal, is “breaking the rules”, but in fact it's just another set of “rules” that works for music too.
What Lani did is the art of production. Enhancing details to create impact.
I've seen Paul Lani's name on some of my favorite albums. They say "never meet your heroes" but what a genuinely sweet guy!! I want to hang out with him myself now. GREAT interview Glenn!! I laughed my ass off when you said "I think I just got owned" about the samples. As hysterical as that was, I sincerely respect you even more now for keeping that in the video. Credit where it's due.
Paul was so great, absolutely no ego!
12:15 That's one of my favorites as well. Just a few months ago, I went to listen to it on RUclips and I thought "This ain't as good as I remember".
Turns out I was listening to the Remastered version. I then listened to the original version and that one DID sound as good as I remembered.
The Megadeth remasters are a fucking tragedy . Rust in Piece sounds just as bad .
When you said “I judge music by if it makes my hair stand up then it’s good”it made my day! In the 30 + years I’ve been a musician/engineer I’ve never heard anyone describe exactly how I feel when I hear something I find to be exceptional.
Paul Lani is one of the worlds finest mixers but most of all, he is an amazing human being. I have worked with Paul for around 12 years now and as a producer and mixer myself , even now I still get the WOW factor when he sends me mixes that I produce. He’s an absolute legend ! 👏🏻🙏
You ought to try to get Max Norman on next! That would be a REAL treat!
In my top five as well and "Good Mourning..." is my favorite track too. Chris Poland's leads in that song are amazing. "I see you... and I'm waiting..."
Absolutely true.
They affected me like no other solo.
I was an aspiring metal guitarist working as a guitar tech in London when this came out.
I pretty much gave it up as I couldn't see how you could top this album.
Ended up being a rock n roll rigger for the next 25 years.
An episode I did not expect, but seeing as Peace Sells... is one of my favorite records, a very welcome surprise. Kudos for getting Paul Lani on the show!
This was a great look into how Peace Sells was made.
But what I want to really know is...how hard to swallow was that sample replacement pill? 😂
He did say he didnt actually replace, just added a bit. I would say thats more of a "reinforcement by sample" lol
@Cyrus Freeman yes i never would of suspected...
Waiting for Glen to sit in the corner in the fetal position and cry :)
@@420wizdumb6 That's a thing that Glenn has heavily criticised too hahaha
The low frequency synth makes a lot of sense. I've always wondered what that rumble was and thought it was a fault with my old cassette copy.
You should get Erik "pytten" Hundvin on the show, he has done almost all the classic black metal records, it would be really interesting to see him on here. You should also get Peter Tagtgren on the show and talk about the newer Immortal records. Love the concept, looking forward to see more episodes in the future.
I would LOVE to hear from Pytten. So many seminal groups from the Second Wave in Norway passed through Grieghallen, he probably has a lot to say...
Pytten > Tagtgren. Every record Pytten engineered was different sounding, and crafted for the specific band. Everything Tagtgren did (back in the day at least) has the same tinny characteristic. Also, Pytten is interesting because he was an outsider to metal, much older, and just really believed in what those Norwegian kids were doing. He charged next to nothing-it was practically charity for those young bands. With that said, I’m not sure Pytten’s English is fluent enough to make for an effective interview like this, or if Fricker even cares much for the records he made.
I'm sure Pytten's english would more than suffice, and I'd love to see him on the show. I've met him a couple of times (I live in Bergen), and I once attended an event where he spoke about producing all those bands, he has some really interesting perspectives on production and metal. I doubt Glenn has much knowledge or interest in the norwegian black metal scene though, but oh well
Dan Swano would be another interesting guy to chat with since he had his hands involved with so many albums in the 90s and 00s. Edge of Sanity had some unique sounding records, in particular Purgatory Afterglow.
Another vote for Peter Tagtgren. I would love to know his secrets to his 90s Abyss tones.
Would definitely love to see more of these when you and the producers of these albums have the time Glenn. Maybe you could get Terry Date on the show to talk about what went into producing the first four Pantera albums as well as producing Slayer's final album.
I think Terry started with Pantera's 5th album actually
Please keep Behind The Mix as a series, I love hearing what makes classic albums sound the way they do
Only two records needed remastered, So Far, So Good, So What & Killing is my Business.
@Thor Thunderlungs Yeah the horns...
I kinda like the horns :(
REMIX, NOT remaster.
I agree. i couldn't tell what the guitars were playing in the original Killing is My Business. it was just fast mush. when the first remaster came out, i discovered it's actually one of my absolute favorite Megadeth albums! i was quite surprised just how amazing the tracks Last Rites/Loved to Deth, and Looking Down the Cross are especially. I haven't bothered with any of the other remixes because they albums already sound great.
and of course for So Far, So Good, So What... that fucking reverb. what i wouldn't do for the exact same mix, just without that reverb.
@Thor Thunderlungs so does Rust in Peace.
Thanks for sharing the conversation with us Fricker. Awesome stuff dude. I love megadeth.
It's a lot of fun, the sound of the drums is made here using a synthesizer. That's exactly what makes a good producer ... he uses anything to sound good, no matter what stupid prejudices.
100%, it's about results, not rules.
So many metal heads have so many elitist rules causing so much division...
Paul friggin Lani!
Peace Sells sounds so massive ngl
speaking of PSBWB guitar tone, i think Owen of CIRCLE OF TONE nailed that one
In terms of the guitar amps, I'm pretty sure that Circle of Tone figured out that they heavily used 80's Rockman preamps on Peace Sells.
Chris Poland said it interviews years ago.
I hear a rock man and then a more woody sound probably a jcm800 with greenbacks or a jmp 2203.
I bought "Peace Sells..." when it came out, and to this day, it blows my mind. Great interview, mixers are the hidden stars of so many records.
Hey Glenn, haven’t seen this since the interview ... what a blast!
Thanks again for having me on, it was awesome fun.
cheers
Thanks for coming on the show! It was a real eye-opener!!
I love how peace sells sounds, it's up there with very the best metal albums.
I like all Megadeth work. From their solos to their riffs. It's astonishing to think Dave wrote all that musicality & lyrics in his head but for sure have to give it to their mixing engineers.
"Good Morning/Black Friday" was my favorite track on that album too, my personal favorite of the whole band! One thing I love about that album Drum sound wise was the sound of the symbols, high hats, and crashes. It had this very bell-like tone to it.
Probably my favorite video you’ve ever posted, so cool to hear into the minds of the people who mixed/produced the greatest albums of all time, albums I’ve sent countless hours banging my head too
All you gotta do is look at the original LP insert. Rockman, Celestions in DeCuir cabs, Jackson guitars and Marshalls. Poland also used Fender Twin in studio
Didn't Mustain play Crate Blue doodoos at some point? I don't remember the time period, though.
Love this. Listening to the men behind amazing records is a great learning experience!
This is one of the best episodes! Glenn one of my top fav Metal records too, thanks for all you do man!
Glenn's reaction to the use of samples to create one of his reference drum sounds is priceless ! 😁
Hopefully this leads to a new series of long form interviews with engineers from these classic albums. Document old analogue techniques and gear while these guys are still around. Great video!
Absolutely. I could listen all day
Here in Mexico, the album photo is right now as a meme 🤣🤣 you should check out some of them
*Peace Sells utilizando sampleado en la batería»
Glenn: veeeeeeerga, qué loco.
Also Glenn: como te decía, reemplazar tu sonido de batería con sampleo es falta de talento.
Jaja saludos.
@@historiadormetalero9236 jajajjaj
excellent interview , two of my favorite all time albums , greetings from Argentina !!!
OH, hell yeah! Best Megadeth album next to Rust in Peace! 🤘😈🤘
@@GR1338 It gets very hard for me to rank Megadeth albums because they are my favorite band. Countdown is up there. Id probably say Peace Sells, Rust in Peace, So Far So Good, then Countdown. But that may change a week from now! 🤣 Peace Sells and Rust will always be top, though.
@@Sinisterbvnny Pretty good rank. For me So Far So Good so what is 1, Peace sells is 2, Rust is 3.
@@GR1338 it's definitely one of their top!
@@USSCYT hell ya same for me.
Sheesh that's a tough one, but I'd probably lean a bit towards Peace Sells as well, but just BARELY over Rust In Peace. It's really close tbh
This wasn't the type of video I thought I needed until now. Do more of these if you can, this is super interesting stuff to listen to
Excellent interview Glenn....made my fkn day 🤘
My favorite Megadeth record as well! Great vid, thanks Glenn!!
I've never recorded an instrument in my life. The metal fan in me enjoyed the hell out of this video. Good info, thanks Glen.
yea man, that album changed my life when I was 16. So cool to get to talk to Paul Lani.
Priceless😁. The moment Glenn found out he added a touch of samples to the drums his Headphones came off !
“I think i just got owned”
Nice. At least he laughed at it!
*Chris Poland was always my favorite Megadeth lead guitarist... His fusionistic phrasing just kills...*
Agree! Just absolutely ludicrous playing
Wow, I haven't even watched and I know it's going to be amazing! thanks. Now we demand more interviews with metal people from this era, lol!
Id fucking kill for a Behind the Mix of The Sound of Persevernce. That mix is so clean and crispy man. pls do it!
The Peace Sells album sounded so fucking great. Paul got such an unbelievable awesome mix on that album.
I think Paul brings up a great point about the subtle blending of samples in drums to achieve a certain sound. Really no need to replace entirely if you have good drums and a good room, but some blending and/or augmentation can make a big difference in getting your perfect tone for a record. I think it makes the biggest difference on the kick and snare, but again, it depends on what you have to work with.
I'm friends with Poland. I asked him about the guitar sounds then, and he said Mustaine was in love with out-of-phase pickup sounds. This was more noticeable in Killing Is My Business, but was present in Peace Sells too. Chris didn't play out of phase, so you can always tell who's solo is who's (outside of Poland's jazz-styled note bending leads) by hearing a creamy tone vs a more hollowed tone.
Cool shit. This album helped form me as a player. Very original style of metal and production. Thanks for the interview!
Picturing the scene from 18:20 just warms my heart and makes me tear a little bit. I loved this interview!
Thanks Glenn and thanks Paul!
Hey Glenn, this was awesome. Would love to see an Interview with Mike Clink producer for many bands such as Megadeth, Motley Crue, and Guns 'n Roses.
Thank you for this Glenn!
Great conversation! Thanks to you both.
Chris Poland is a beast im glad you acknowledged his talent
I love seeing a pro audio guy teaching us about it. I went to college in the analog times. I can’t figure out digital
I grew up on all this stuff, so this definitely brings back a lot of memories. Glenn, between you gushing (just a bit though) and the drum sample thing, I can't wait for the reader comments on this one!
I just loved listening to such a humble & egoless man ( white shirt ), knowing he was the MixMaster of the arguably best metal album ( except the bummer cover song obviously) ever recorded. Thank you for sharing that footage of him.
Calm down bros... he talking about hints of samples for augmentation, not replacement!
Grumbling noise and snare white noise isn't even audible but alters the "tone" of the actual drum hits and happens EVERYDAY!
Plus we have plenty of evidence that Gar is a fucking monster drummer.
LOL don't get butt hurt dude, I've always said the drums on this album sounded like samples, if you listen to the record it's pretty obvious there's some sample action going on. God it feels so good to be right.
thank you so so much for this video glen, the wealth of knowledge is incredible ,(no joke) sometimes what we seem is so so unobtainable is trully obtainable, this video shows so much truth and honesty in a studio experience, i very much enjoyed this video.. thank you - kevin
This was so cool Glenn!! I love it. Any chance you’ll get Mike Clink on the channel to discuss RIP???
This was great! As far as the drums are concerned, I wouldn’t call what he was talking about anything near sample replacement. Which is really what you rail about Glenn and rightfully so. It sounds to me like he was just adding to what was already there. I believe he called it “Sample Augmentation”? So as far as my measly opinion is concerned you’re argument is still very much a valid one.
Wow. Can’t believe how much I learned from this. Thank you
He forgot to mention the whole album has a Klark EQ all over it.
And what they did to get the guitar tone was actually use a line 6 spider!
@@seanbeadles7421 Maybe they used the Klark and Spider on Killing Is My Business....that record does NOT sound good
@@seanhuntley6722 Check out "The Final Kill", the newly remixed and remastered version that's a tenfold upgrade, sound wise.
I am that one guy that likes the original killing mix lol.
@@jibicusmaximus4827 It's not bad, just different.
Loved this! You could've made this interview another 4 hours longer and I'd happily sit through it all!
I fucking love megadeth and your channel, thanks for combining the 2 in todays topic.
I watch them all but rarely comment. Thank you for this Glenn...
This is so great man!!! We need more interviews!
Awesome vid Glenn! 🤘🏼
great interview! so much information. Black Friday is also my favourite, from the first time I heard it.
I remember hearing about this album, a metal album so big even hawaii radio was almost forced to play it. I never would have imagined in my craziest dreams that just a few years later I would be recording this band
You did? Which album?
What an incredibility brilliant interview, Glen this will be diffidently one to remember - well done for teeing this up mate
Awesome interview Glenn! thanks!
Amazeballs! So mad to hear from the giants!
What about Mutt Lange, Max Norman or Bob Rock...? Great video, Glenn. Paul Lani is a really nice person! The thing about Mustaine's vocal performance was astonishing!
WOW ! What a video.. more of these please..
This has to be one of the coolest interviews I ever seen. I love love love Peace Sells. The BC Rich Biches always are my favourite guitar tone. Like in the 1986 master it's raw with reverb and in the 2004 remaster you can hear the overdubbed guitars more upfront in the mix :D Groovie record and interview!
Not every day you get to hear commentary from the man that engineered the greatest thrash metal album of all time!
Thank you for that interview! You helped a lot of people to know what producers are actually do in the studio - they are pushing the musicians forward, which help push the limits for the record further. This is the way how people create an AWESOME records
This album was so underrated on so many levels
Probably the fastest I’ve ever clicked on a video, I love me some Deth!
Nice interview Glenn 👍🏻
I could listen to him for hours. So modest and adds insight to two of the greatest albums ever.
Yes. More of this please. Amazing technique being discussed here.
The bass and drums in this albums title track is fucking brilliant!
Damn this is amazing. Thank you Glenn, keep up the great content dude . Cheers!
Wow....that was an amazing and inspiring episode!!!! For REAL!! Thank you Glen!
Who qould have thunk samples to help... I have always loved that album now I know why... Simplistic at its core...
Such an incredible treat to hear about Paul's insight and knowledge on his recording philosophies, techniques and artist performance efforts. It was great to see Paul's approachability and open-ness in this interview. Hopefully this episode will usher in many more greats that greatly contributed to our favorite albums and recordings.
my last words and good mourning black friday are two of the most underrated metal songs of all time
Another great example of using what he had and making something great.
It was my understanding that a big part of the sonic changes in the remaster was some of the original master tracks were destroyed in storage due to time, so they had to re-record them wholesale. Rust in Peace, especially, had a LOT of damaged tapes, and the Dave's had to go out and buy used copies of the gear they used in the original recordings to try and get close to the original sound.