I might be wrong, but WaDi's Deep Breathing is what saved him from Elegant's last 0-death combo. Deep Breathing has a damage reduction multiplier of 0.9, which means without Deep Breathing, Wadi would've been almost 8% higher at 76.2 rather than 68.8 when the 0-death had finished, which might've been enough to kill WaDi. I might be wrong, but its amazing how a small mechanic made a difference. Fantastic match.
WTF has a good amount of combo starters: Bury combos Up tilt combos Soccer ball combos and set ups Back hit of grounded fair combos Down throw and up throw combos Forward throw combos with deep breathing only Back hit of ftilt combos into itself and bair Falling up air on bigs Even sun salutation combos But yes the nair combos into every single move wtf has except down smash lol. Wadi will optimize with more practice, he’s only been seriously playing ultimate wft for a few weeks
Wi fit nair does so much dmg holy crap! Congratz to both players, played out of their mind, one of the closest matches I've ever seen. Elegant looked kinda depressed, he's got all my support
if you look at the percents for both of the luigi grab combos, notice that due to staling the second combo did 14% less damage. It wasn't just the up-b that did less, in fact the up b would have killed, but all of the combo moves that lead into it were stale as well so that when the up-b landed he was around 12 percent less damage than on the previous stock.
Doesn't a move get "staling" if used consecutively? If Elegant had spammed Up B, wouldn't it do less damage? Pretty sure Deep Breathing was the huge factor.
@@hentaikun8598 he aint crying he's frustrated after he got 3-0 by wadi and was hoping to comeback he thought he had it dis time he was labbing again trying hard but in the end he tried still my fav player ever💘
That was an awesome set. So unfortunate at the end, but great work to both players. And also, I love the commentary by cinnpie and toasty. Keep it up! :)
Keep on fighting, Elegant. You inspire me a lot to become a better Luigi main every time. Very well played, Wadi. Both players put on an awesome combat.
Well most Luigi’s have trouble hitting them on training mode with a bot that isn’t moving. It’s incredibly hard to hit against people on that level he’s playing against, along with 2 lucky DI reads
Elegant was doing what he had to. He took the combo where he could get it, but wasn't relying on it. The only reason he went for 2 in a row was because he needed the comeback. And the only reason he needed the comeback is that he's so used to Cyclone out of combos, that WaDi could exploit that in every single game of the set.
The 0-death combo ain't easy, especially when you're trying to read their sdi and just doing the combo in general. I think wii fit is also one of the character that the combo is harder to pull of on
I like Luigi a lot, but a combo that takes u from 0 to death (while cool looking) is such BS. Its hype the first few times, but honestly after that effect wares off it just feels broken.
Elegant lost because he got desperate. He didn’t take into account his stale moves like up-b and down air, and Deep Breathing helps WFT survive just a little bit more.
Who knew wii fit would be such an amazing character and so fun to watch? Tbh had Elegant stopped doing the plunger tricks so often he could have won this. A whole match was lost due to him always landing with plunger
Hey, at what percent does that down throw to super jump punch combo works for luigi, and does that combo works on everyone or just certain characters? Thanks in advance, been trying to learn luigi and was looking for some super jump punch combos if there are any
That last match was absolutely nutty. I've never gone from "oh player A has this" to "oh shit, actually player B has this" to "what the fuck ending was that". Also, last match stock is so going on Yeet Smash Top 10 WTF moments 🤣
The Whale Lover think of a skill based combo that is incredibly hard to pull off while reading di as wobbling, a very easy thing to do that requires only basic inputs?
I don't think Luigi should have been nerfed though lol. It's not like Luigi really ever had a chance to stay a high or even top tier character in any game. I feel like it's always the same characters for the most part lol.
Worth noting that when Luigi failed to kill WFT at about the 6 min mark, they attribute it to the healing of Deep Breathing, but DB also reduces how much damage WFT receives by 10% (lower damage also means reduced knockback).
When Luigi's second 0-to-death attempt fails around the 12 min mark might be because of DB also... And at the end of the last match definitely because of DB.
PAC-Man, Wii Fit, Ganondorf, Palutena, and R.O.B are making huge strides in their Meta While Cloud and Bayo’s metas lie dead in the water. (At least compared to their unparalleled use before.) This is the good timeline. (I also like how Elegant is loyal to his main.)
@MAR'TE jenkins Bro I main Pac and I can confirm that if you know his setups and his gimmicks he is a beast. There are some crazy pro Pac-Man montages out there.I highly reccomend giving them a watch, they are insane.
Elegant has got to be the most stubborn top player. Dude has like 8+ years of smash experience under his belt and STILL refuses to adapt. He just brute forces his way into occasional wins rather than swallowing his pride and learning from his mistakes.
@@davidbrock1532 actually, not really. Nice try though. I'm talking about how boring it was to watch Luigi players shamelessly gimp with cyclone over and over
I doubt you mash good enough to gimp Everytime without fail. Plus he wasn't nearly as boring to watch then Bayonetta or cloud. But I will let you have your opinion just don't bring down Luigi good name because you are salty.
@@davidbrock1532 I actually can mash fairly well yet I never picked up Luigi. I'm not really salty, I'm saying how it was a shameless boring tactic and now they have to actually think to win instead of "how can I gimp him with cyclone"
I think wii fit trainer is my fav character! But dude there are so many different characters that all have there pros and cons. This game is great cant wait till this community gets bigger!
@@ProdSulton It also gives you insane damage output and kill power, makes you faster and slightly increases your durability (which saved wadi in the last game). So yeah, it's more than worth it.
Those emergency 0 to death combos are fun to watch.
Maria Heart ikr
And hard to do
Maria Heart want to believe that are to perform as well, have tried some of them without luck :(
I love ultimate. So many different characters making it to grand finals
It reminds me of the early days of Sm4sh. But this is way more exciting! The pace of ultimate rivals that of melee!
Same
Yeah like Snake and Olimar
Nathan Townley it really doesn’t
Eleazar Gomez not rivals, but it’s exponentially faster.
I might be wrong, but WaDi's Deep Breathing is what saved him from Elegant's last 0-death combo. Deep Breathing has a damage reduction multiplier of 0.9, which means without Deep Breathing, Wadi would've been almost 8% higher at 76.2 rather than 68.8 when the 0-death had finished, which might've been enough to kill WaDi.
I might be wrong, but its amazing how a small mechanic made a difference. Fantastic match.
Sorry, difference would've been 74.9 rather than 67.4. Forgot about the off screen damage.
On FD it might have killed, but PS has high cealing I think
@@melgibsonero I think the extra percent would have done it anyway--he was *this* close to the blastzone. Extra 7% would've definitely killed
all the moves were stale too
omg, Luigi is really scary with those grab combos, that last game was intense!!
Y'all sleeping on WFT. With heavy breathing, the damage goes from Kirby to Ganon, with ridiculous speed and crazy combos.
Y'all sleeping on Kirby
Wii fit only has one combo and its nair into anything else
Ikr (s)he literally can kill with jab lmao
WTF has a good amount of combo starters:
Bury combos
Up tilt combos
Soccer ball combos and set ups
Back hit of grounded fair combos
Down throw and up throw combos
Forward throw combos with deep breathing only
Back hit of ftilt combos into itself and bair
Falling up air on bigs
Even sun salutation combos
But yes the nair combos into every single move wtf has except down smash lol. Wadi will optimize with more practice, he’s only been seriously playing ultimate wft for a few weeks
That's what I'm saying he underrated.
Wi fit nair does so much dmg holy crap! Congratz to both players, played out of their mind, one of the closest matches I've ever seen. Elegant looked kinda depressed, he's got all my support
Yeah, he is like unmotivated...i wonder if something is happening to him
I dont feel bad for the dude. He acts really scummy in real life
@@swagchomp how do you know
@@rmartinlopez98 do you guys not see his popoffs/rage? He will popoff when he wins but act like a salty kid when he loses.
Jose Herrera He use to be way worse. He does not act like a salty kid, so I don’t know where you got that from. Just be nice, stop raging dude
OH SO NOW YALL WANNA HOP ON THE WII FIT TRAIN
Right? Like stop sleeping on Wii fit XD
Naw fam I’ve been a Wii fit player since 4 (secondary, at least) but now I’m playing her more and I saw this and I’m like 👀
I’ve always loved WFT since 4
IVE BEEN HERE BROTHER
if you look at the percents for both of the luigi grab combos, notice that due to staling the second combo did 14% less damage. It wasn't just the up-b that did less, in fact the up b would have killed, but all of the combo moves that lead into it were stale as well so that when the up-b landed he was around 12 percent less damage than on the previous stock.
In addition to that you receive less damage as WFT when you use Deep Breathing.
Some of it was due to the staling, but it was Wadi’s deep breathing on respawn
Deep breathing makes you heavier and takes vertical off the up b bad for recovery
Doesn't a move get "staling" if used consecutively? If Elegant had spammed Up B, wouldn't it do less damage? Pretty sure Deep Breathing was the huge factor.
Tfw they say elegant lost cause of a stale Up-B when it was actually because WaDi had Deep Breathing
I just noticed that. Deep breathing is so good
i think it was both
I mean the combo kills DK if I recall correctly, so I think stale Up-B has to have played a role.
@@MyRegularNameWasTaken Deep breathing reduces the damage you take, which is the factor in it not killing.
@@NoirePkmn Really? The more you know.
Man elegant is my favorite player and it’s crazy seeing him get to grand finals and get this close to winning. GL next week man
I think Elegant is a player who's always likes to win but when it lost he always cry, such a bad player with good skills in game :(
@@hentaikun8598 he aint crying he's frustrated after he got 3-0 by wadi and was hoping to comeback he thought he had it dis time he was labbing again trying hard but in the end he tried still my fav player ever💘
Elegant :3
Think about all the other who made it to final only to get beaten from one freaking grab now that's true frustrating.
@@roxasthebandicoot4492 think about all the times luigi gets zoned and screwed over by his own recovery ;)
That was an awesome set. So unfortunate at the end, but great work to both players. And also, I love the commentary by cinnpie and toasty. Keep it up! :)
Dang, I never thought a Wii Fit main could contest Elegant’s Luigi, but it happened, and I am inspired!
wadi is a rob main and a really good one at that. probably even the best. he is testing trainer in locals after the buff and he already won 2 in a row
Plus luigi is really bad in ultimate
@@fartenthusiast-zl2qv Everyone keeps saying that, but... isn't that a 0-death combo I saw in the video?
@@matthewjones6786 just cus a character has a zero to death doesn't mean they are really good
@@fartenthusiast-zl2qv but it also does not mean it is unplayable and quote on quote trash like so many of you desperately try to say.
that face at the end hahahaha
For real! Crying
And the cheeky smile with the fist pump from wadi xD
Bruh he looked like he wanted to die
That's going to make it into some kind of compilation for sure
Some win some lose that's how it is.
WaDi so patient he deadass playing like a Wii Fit instructor, he's got the rythm figured out and hes got aaaall the time in the world, no rushing.
Keep on fighting, Elegant. You inspire me a lot to become a better Luigi main every time. Very well played, Wadi. Both players put on an awesome combat.
To people who are confused why WaDi survived the 2nd 0-to-death, deep breathing makes him heavier
Love Elegant, but it’s hard to be sympathetic when you’re banking on 2 zero to death combos to win you the set. Good set from both of them.
Well most Luigi’s have trouble hitting them on training mode with a bot that isn’t moving. It’s incredibly hard to hit against people on that level he’s playing against, along with 2 lucky DI reads
@@OMGlvl86turtlepilot sad thing it does not
Elegant was doing what he had to. He took the combo where he could get it, but wasn't relying on it. The only reason he went for 2 in a row was because he needed the comeback.
And the only reason he needed the comeback is that he's so used to Cyclone out of combos, that WaDi could exploit that in every single game of the set.
The 0-death combo ain't easy, especially when you're trying to read their sdi and just doing the combo in general. I think wii fit is also one of the character that the combo is harder to pull of on
@@nathanbengels6930 call it luck i would rather think of it as experiance/mind games
Really good announcers, made the match very enjoyable.
Wii Fit is slept on as both a character AND Top Tier Husabndo/Waifu material
WFT made it GF outstanding! This game is proving to be outstanding each time
axel7801 Outstanding
axel7801 outstanding
Wii fit players rise up
gang gang
SALUTE THE SUN 🙌🌞
The Ultimate Smash Adventure Very questionable
Stretch those shoulders
That's was a great workout 👍
Wii fit so strong in this patch
17:03
WaDi said NO U.
Great job commentators. Play-by-play, good synergy and good details. Keep up the good work.
0:35-0:40 elegant... wow
16:35!!!!!! What!!!!
I like Luigi a lot, but a combo that takes u from 0 to death (while cool looking) is such BS.
Its hype the first few times, but honestly after that effect wares off it just feels broken.
Good game, players and great job, Wadi! I learned so much about ROB from you and am now inspired to try my hand at WFT.
Elegant lost because he got desperate. He didn’t take into account his stale moves like up-b and down air, and Deep Breathing helps WFT survive just a little bit more.
up-b you serious hè couldn't even come close hè did his best but lost to a superior player
Elegant really had the nerve to look salty after almost robbing WaDi of that set lmao
Yeah right? "Aw my easy 0 to death combo didn't kill you two times in a row :("
The up B wasn’t stale he just did deep breathing so he took less damage
Deep breathing doesnt cause damage reduction, just increased power and knockback.
@@ericlegere2822 It causes both damage reduction and increased gravity, among other things.
Elegant my man. you did fantastic. dont beat yourself up. that last game was such a thrill to watch.
Who knew wii fit would be such an amazing character and so fun to watch? Tbh had Elegant stopped doing the plunger tricks so often he could have won this. A whole match was lost due to him always landing with plunger
Hey, at what percent does that down throw to super jump punch combo works for luigi, and does that combo works on everyone or just certain characters? Thanks in advance, been trying to learn luigi and was looking for some super jump punch combos if there are any
Oof.
i think around 60-79 percent
holy shit this down throw up b setup, i need to learn this
vyseskies sarcasm? Lol
Never mind, I just saw what you were talking about 😂
Honestly, ive rarely seen that combo being pulled off before
It’s a 50/50 and I’m pretty sure you can airdodge
Faggen Abler depends on the situation. Dthrow up B is true on Falco 71% before the combo for example
It baffles me we have battlefield and omega forms of every stage, and barely non of them are seen/used. Except 2D stages are kinda broken literally
Down 2 stocks
*0 TO DEATH MODE ACTIVATED*
Not only is WFT a secret high tier, but she is also one of the few characters that can reliably come back.
That last match was absolutely nutty. I've never gone from "oh player A has this" to "oh shit, actually player B has this" to "what the fuck ending was that".
Also, last match stock is so going on Yeet Smash Top 10 WTF moments 🤣
These are the best commentators I've heard yet. Thank you 👍
Also the first ones I can stand listening to, to be honest 😂😂
Cinnpie (the female commentator) is Wadi's fiance.
My anxiety can only take so much. I love these type of matches where it doesn't look one sided lol
idk if i’ve ever seen elegant look happy for his opponwnt after a win man always just depressed asf
Elegants face at the end with the fist bump has me dead he was just like so done he worked so hard to comeback and just got hit with a down air lol
Am I the only person who's glad elegant lost? it would've been the worst thing ever losing that match for wadi.
I mean, think of it as wobbling.
The Whale Lover think of a skill based combo that is incredibly hard to pull off while reading di as wobbling, a very easy thing to do that requires only basic inputs?
Elegant actually beat him in a future match
I don't think Luigi should have been nerfed though lol. It's not like Luigi really ever had a chance to stay a high or even top tier character in any game. I feel like it's always the same characters for the most part lol.
At this point Luigi is barely playable TBH.
Luigi has a 0 to death combo and he has a huge advantage in the air and ground so he did get some good buffs too
@@dragonpower9353 Luigi had a 0 to death combo. You can DI out of it or else we clearly would have seen Elegant win if that was the case lol.
@@funjukebox1324 Yes but he plays better than his Smash 4 counterpart due to the new mechanics and physics
@@dragonpower9353 0 to death got nerfed bad. And Luigi can't go off stage without basically digging his own grave.
Elegant almost clutched that in the end R.I.P.
Worth noting that when Luigi failed to kill WFT at about the 6 min mark, they attribute it to the healing of Deep Breathing, but DB also reduces how much damage WFT receives by 10% (lower damage also means reduced knockback).
When Luigi's second 0-to-death attempt fails around the 12 min mark might be because of DB also... And at the end of the last match definitely because of DB.
bang bang xDd i love how this narrators are having so much fun with Elegant's performance
Alpharad at 1:12
"Aaaaaand don't touch my shield."
PAC-Man, Wii Fit, Ganondorf, Palutena, and R.O.B are making huge strides in their Meta
While Cloud and Bayo’s metas lie dead in the water. (At least compared to their unparalleled use before.)
This is the good timeline.
(I also like how Elegant is loyal to his main.)
Palutena is boring to watch tbh
@MAR'TE jenkins Bro I main Pac and I can confirm that if you know his setups and his gimmicks he is a beast. There are some crazy pro Pac-Man montages out there.I highly reccomend giving them a watch, they are insane.
The end of the set you can just zoom in fade black and white "All around me are fimiliar faces worn out places."
dude this was so great to watch
Elegant has got to be the most stubborn top player. Dude has like 8+ years of smash experience under his belt and STILL refuses to adapt. He just brute forces his way into occasional wins rather than swallowing his pride and learning from his mistakes.
This was so fun to watch. I love the characters they chose.
I’ve wanted to main Luigi since before Ultimate even came out but he just feels so strange to me. Wish I had those elegant skills
When Luigi players have to actually work for their wins now
Sounds like someone held to many L's. If you don't play Luigi you don't get how hard it was to mash.
@@davidbrock1532 actually, not really. Nice try though. I'm talking about how boring it was to watch Luigi players shamelessly gimp with cyclone over and over
I doubt you mash good enough to gimp Everytime without fail. Plus he wasn't nearly as boring to watch then Bayonetta or cloud. But I will let you have your opinion just don't bring down Luigi good name because you are salty.
@@davidbrock1532 I actually can mash fairly well yet I never picked up Luigi. I'm not really salty, I'm saying how it was a shameless boring tactic and now they have to actually think to win instead of "how can I gimp him with cyclone"
@@spoodymans well that's your opinion. Hating on all Luigi player's is quite stupid.
I think wii fit trainer is my fav character! But dude there are so many different characters that all have there pros and cons. This game is great cant wait till this community gets bigger!
Wii Fit on the rise! At last :)
Y'all are icky
Wii fit gang unite!
@@Spark-oz4zr when exerting yourself, remember to keep breathing
BUFF ELEGANT!
Better Nerf Luigi
That's so peak for elegant. If he'd won that would have been the hypest comeback ever
All the match were exciting OMG congrats to both players they do their best
Not every green missile is a missfire
It's amazing how such a pacient player mains the guy with the deep breathing move.
Awesome grand finals! Great to see two weird asnd fun characters at high level play
What a set! Two masters of their craft each playing exciting characters in a matchup I've never seen before. God, I love ultimate
I'm a massive elegant fan but damn wadi just played really well. i always see people struggle to deal with cyclone but he played around it so well
Luigi... It's awesome hahaha that combos are really insane, i wanna play like him
Just that last last last move making all the difference. Good match
My two favorite players in a match for the century.... n i c e
Thats a face of disappointment, poor elegant. He definitely deserved a reset
Sean Riley nah he didnt 😂
@@davidayala6874 he did wiff cyclone a ton. But sounds like u just a hater
@@davidayala6874 if you don't play Luigi you don't get how hard it is to mash rise.
@@davidbrock1532 well considering you cant do that anymore in ultimate I don't see what your point is
@@PremixedDoge we were on the topic of people hating this character because of cyclone
Great match so unfortunate for elegant with that last combo
If enough people play Wii Fit, they will eventually understand the difference between forward smash and forward tilt
Male Wii Fit trainer making it this far...
what a time to be alive :,)
That down throw - up b combo works best if your opponent is on the ledge side of the grab.
Wow, elegant almost had it, that final round was amazing
Elegant actually beat him in a future match
These guys can make every character overpowered
The only wii fit trainers I come across camp on one side of the map constantly throwing the ball
I bet Elegant wishes he could take back that taunt at 6:10 now.
THAT 1-3 STOCK COMEBACK IN THE FIRST MATCH
damn that was exciting, especially that last game, was literally a few percent off of Elegant winning
16:58 The hype fam. The hype. Shorty needs to put that on a shirt and where it with pride.
someone needs to show this woman the difference between a volleyball and a soccer ball
Wii fit Luigi mega man snake these 4 nations lived in harmony until the projectile nation attacked
Nice commentary
Man I wanted elegant to win so bad
@@BassRukarioGuerrero true, i just like elegant better than wadi
Same here man
Loogi got desperate with that last combo. No way he could do it twice with staling
Love these commentators
Take a shot Everytime she says sun salutation 😂
What a comeback on the first game.
Elegant got a bit overconfident on the first round
Trainer looks lit now. I like the girl version better tho
Male version is stronger and does more damage
@@guy543215 Are you serious? That would be a huge oversight from nintendo if that's the case.
@@averagejoe9229 No they are the same its just looks.
Alexander The Pleb nah it’s true, he’s stronger because he’s a dude
Lmao I’m jk that’s ridiculous
@@averagejoe9229 r/woosh
The end was staleness of up B plus deep breath reduces damage making wii fit pseudo heavy (not a real term i dont think but you get what I'm saying)
Back to Luigi, as it should be.
I love how Elegant looks upset when he doesnt win/ Like sorry you cant just get outplayed for 90% of the set, then get a grab and win, boo hoo
Is deep breathing worth the paltry damage recovery it provides?
La Tui YES lol if you deep breathe 10 times during a stock + 5 full sun salutations that’s 30% healed
@@ProdSulton It also gives you insane damage output and kill power, makes you faster and slightly increases your durability (which saved wadi in the last game). So yeah, it's more than worth it.
Mr table exactly and you can put on for free at the beginning of every stock
Mr table ooo nice, I didn’t know that part.
I've never seen Elegant sadder...
Repeat this on 0.25 🤣🤣 16:39 🕺🏻
Elegant's face at the end lmaooo
Most hype finish EVER
The 0-death doesn’t work when Wii fit has deep breathing
0:52 no?!