Additional word of advice: If you're considering architecture as a creative path, don't do it unless you're really in for a challenge. Architecture school was rough, and that opinion is shared between everyone I went to school with. My sleep schedule may never recover.
I attended an art university course and sadly I never ended up graduating. It was the worst time of my life knowing my art was just not the "right" one in the genre I went with getting a degree in, but honestly failing that university course opened my eyes so much. I ended up taking art as a personal hobby, even keeping it as a commission based freelance job, and did some courses in programming (which were very new to me!) I now have a great job in something i never realized i loved and have my art as a side job instead of my main job, and honestly I cannot say i could be happier with this!!! Knowing my art isnt something i NEED to do, just something i Can do is an amazing feeling guys :) You may love the art path, use it the way you Want to, not the way they Tell you to. Take your skills and use them the way YOU want to! No one should decide you need an industry job you are fit for just because you are good at something! Take it your own way and you will do great
Thank you for this, watching this vid made me feel awful cuz I failed art in high school due to how proud of myself I always was and it made me realize that. I feel bad that my art isn't up to industry standard but your comment gave me hope❤ I also just see doing art as a hobby but I still want to do big things with it
My BIGGEST Loan segestion is NEVER take a company loan, only federal!! The main point against the student debt forgiveness was that it wasn’t just forgiving loans but the reimbursement of the companies that made more predatory loans against new students. The government can and wants to rid the debt but the companies witch hold a decent amount of it demand a lot of money. The government can forgive the debts that they are apart of but can’t really force a company to do the same.
As someone intending to become an animator/graphic designer as a major, I was persuaded a lot to have a minor to fall back on if I never ended up liking my major. Thankfully, I acknowledged this really quickly and realize, yeah, I need a minor, even though I still have yet to release my animation goal. So that’s currently what I’m doing with Communications as a minor since I love writing essays and stories as much as drawing, and they both work together pretty seamlessly. I think I’m gonna have fun with my classes.
this is super helpful, lately im just feeling like.. so lost about what i want to do. it really does feel like the only things i would be happy in are art and writing, both of which seem increasingly non-viable in our current economy. to see you two flourishing is really truly inspirational, and this video has certainly given me a lot of things to think about lmao
I just wanna say that I love Claire's voice. I had been considering art school when I was younger, but I'm glad I decided to keep art as a hobby while going to college for my more lucrative passion (biology).
I’m really glad cheaper online courses were discussed, im autistic bipolar 2 and I’ve been on and off online uni for years now and have only recently decided to put it off for a full 12 months while I go through treatments and such. I LOVE learning but my mood is anything but stable and with my current treatment plan I fall into a depressive episode every 3 or so months so deadlines aren’t a viable option for me during school. Online courses that are self paced and cheap are my only option currently and I’m so glad there’s some really good ones out there and that I’m pretty self disciplined outside of my mood instability
I didn’t go to art school, but a big appeal for college to me was the community. I went for English and secondary education, and sharing ideas and discussing writing/teaching with other people really helped me grow as a writer and as a professional. Interacting with other people and general really helped grow as a person. The most interesting thing about college, which is particularly beneficial to artists, is that it gives you a chance to get exposed to new types of people and their ideas. You’re basically in a bubble up through high school, as your community and schools are largely going to be demographically similar, and there’s not much incentive to hang around whatever different types of people there may be. However, you can’t avoid meeting different kinds of people in college. There will be people from across the country or even different countries who represent different class backgrounds, races, belief systems etc. and you’re going to take classes with them, befriend them, and potentially live with them. It will really help you learn about new things or see things in a different light. Of course, the best way to be a part of the community is living on campus, and that’s more expensive to do.
I'm a social worker living in France. I've always dreamed of learning art and working in the art industry, but I always thought it was too late for me... But recently, I learned that students at the famous Gobelins animation school give private lessons to pay their bills. I'm going to try to learn art this way to progress. Maybe I'll go to art school later, maybe not. Time will tell. Thank you both again for this beautiful video: I appreciate you both as artists and as people ;)
As someone who’s going into their senior year of high school this August, I’ve definitely been stressed about college. What I’ve been considering most is taking a gap year to explore my options art-wise; buckle down on commissions, online stores, in-person connections, etc. and if I hit a roadblock which requires a degree for me to continue, I’d be able to go to college knowing /exactly/ what I’m going there for. It would be easier to chose a school and a major because there wouldn’t be anywhere near as much question as to what I’d do after school. And if I never hit that roadblock, managing to carve out a living in art without the need for a degree, I circumvent the debt and avoid kneecapping myself right at the start of adulthood.
We highly recommend a gap year! Too many people feel obliged to apply to college immediately after graduating high school, and it's hard to tell at that point in your life what the best option is for you and your future. If taking time off is an option for you, you should absolutely do it.
I really appreciate this. I want to end up working as a character designer or something similar for a studio but I have no idea where to start and I’m turning 18 this year so the stress of trying to figure out what the heck I’m going to do for my future is really building up
Great job on this one you two! Far from the usual standard of content that we get here but I think an absolutely important video that many of your audience will greatly rely on to help bolster their decisions heading into art as a job/career or otherwise. I think there's a lot of tough pills to swallow throughout this conversation but you made it palpable by opening up the topic. Seeing the portfolios and personal pieces was greatly appreciated too!
As someone who went to art school, it depends on what kind of student you are. I tried my hardest to complete my associates degree in Illustration but because I have always struggled with turning things in on time and struggled with protectionism, I ended up getting academically dismissed. If you are good at turning in things in on time and aren't afraid to let things go, go right ahead. Even though I had a bad experience with art school, don't let my comment affect your decision! Do what you think is right for you.
Really enjoyed this video. My sister was the creative in the family and went into industrial design, so this topic connects to me personally on how she experienced her school and post education. I discovered this channel because of my love of Pokémon and nerd culture, but honestly have been fascinated to see how dynamic it has been in exploring design philosophy. I would love to see a video on tool and technology, physical vs digital mediums
I remember one of the game developers I really enjoy said that he has no regrets going to school to learn how to make video games, then quickly followed that up with "NOT IF YOU'RE IN THE US. I am in Europe and it was FREE. Do not do it if you need to pay money." The loan situation in America is incredibly horrible and it's no wonder there's a mental health crisis among young people. Faced with the impossibility of escaping debt, the fact you can't get a good job unless you go into debt, the crumbling economy and the environmental crisis it makes sense why so many teens and young adults are taking their own lives. If they're going to college, it's for things that may help them, like a business degree, and being an artist unless you come from a middle class or wealthy family (a class that is shrinking more and more by the day) there is very little change you'll succeed, especially if you're not white or are queer.
I regret having gone to an art school. I went to The School Of The Art Institute Of Chicago in the late 80s and when I graduated the shift from traditional to digital was in full swing. If you didn't know how to make use of Photoshop or Illustrator back then, you were left in the dust. It may be different now, but then commercial art was frowned on. Wanting to do corporate work meat you were a sell out. Additionally, the business side of art was not emphasized. Now if there was a redo button, I would've gone to an atelier instead.
We have family with very similar experiences. Jack's uncle actually did end up going to an atelier in his later years and he found it very rewarding. It was also great for making connections in the industry. If you have the resources, look into taking courses at an atelier, it might be worth your while.
i am never going back after my first year. good school for fundamentals but it just seemed to reinforce what i already know and just personally needed to work more on. and lots of unnecessary suffering we did not have time for. live figure drawing sessions is the real bang for your buck. i wish the dreams about me going back would stop but i dont think they will, lol
The only "critique" i ever got was toxicity.. people telling me to "quit" and "never try to draw again".. One even telling me to "off myself".. I'm someone whom cannot self-teach.. Tried for literally a decade and trying every method of self-teaching (be it studying, tutorials, books, watching art streams, youtube videos and even tracing (which caused me to vomit on two separate occasions due to how tracing makes me feel) and have gotten nowhere. Aggravatingly as a visual learner with a high level of aphantasia (so i cannot even see images in my head) and the requirement of needing to be taught 1:1 im afraid that art school wouldn't help me (though i went to NYCCT as an Advertising & Design Major only to be screwed over by professors who didn't care to actually teach me what i wanted- let alone didn't care for 1:1 assistance or helping me learn from the very ground up).. I found myself failing over and over and over again. Assistance/Suggestions..? Because I'm at my wits end and have been for 1.5 decades after all that hell. I've never intended to illustrate for profit. My goals are to do it for the love of creation.. to breath life into the dreams, ideas, worlds & characters of others as well as my own free if any charge.. Never would i charge another for something as beautiful as an illustrated piece crafted to bring joy to another.. And yet here i am unable to do any such thing.. Stuck in a spiraling pit of endless pain and self-loathing laced with mental/emotional anguish and actual physical pain whenever i even try to force myself to.. "attempt" to "Draw".
I wish I could go to art school a classroom setting would be way better than the weird fragmented information online. I'm not willing to go through debt from student loans so i guess I'll be forced to use the internet for everything.
Use your freedom to form your own curriculum. Pick out classes that cover the fundamentals and learn from teachers about things that interest you. Make deadlines for yourself and push yourself to reach those deadlines. Pirate classes from masters to learn complex, fundamental things and apply them directly to your work it takes a lot of effort, but you are in a better situation than other artists before. The information available online is a better quality than that in Colledge, the downside is you have to build the discipline and create a format where you are reliant on yourself to put in the hard work. This same discipline will give you a winning edge when it comes to competing in the job market. and of course, keep on keeping on
I’m just about torn in every direction these days on deciding on what my ideal future is these days my dream was to become a zoologist and film the animals of the world, yet in high school although I didn’t attend an official art class I kept drawing simply because I enjoyed it and throughout high school and a bit of my college years I was told I’d be a terrific writer and while I’m extremely limited to the zoology part of my future due to taking my art a little bit too seriously these days I’m starting to not enjoy it as much plus my first novel series is still on hold and I’m currently focusing on a sequel to a different novel that I only finished by doing drawing of characters before making more serious versions of those characters which is going very slowly and now I’m focusing on the sequel novel while doing drawings that fall somewhere in the middle of serious art and for fun and yet I’m still lacking motivation to finish my original novel series which the top three reasons I stopped working halfway through the project was 1) I was taking it too seriously and therefore wasn’t fun anymore 2) trying to limit every book to 30 chapters from 6 different perspectives was way too much work and 3) I was trying to make the dinosaurs in the novel fact based and not the Jurassic Park/world nonsense they’ve been spreading around since the 90’s and partway through the novel spinosaurus one of the character’s partner dinosaur keeps getting a complete overhaul every time I almost feel comfortable enough to start writing that particular series and now I need to make a note in every novel of the series that this was what was fact based when I started writing the series once I officially feel completely comfortable to start writing that particular series again and I don’t even want to be a writer for a living and when I do write or draw I’m thinking with my heart more than my head and there’s at least one character in each of my stories that is based on me from a certain point of my lifetime and now I’m more conflicted than ever and my future is more clouded all because of Covid-19 and the only people I get to talk about my issues with are the ones from RUclips which is because of Covid-19 that I even have time to talk to
You're paying to be told what to draw when you could just draw on your own. In the end, its if you have skills or not. It's not like learning a critical career where lives are on the line and rules must be followed to a T. Art schools are just money pits. If you can buy the tools on your own (textbooks and art supplies), there is no need to go into debt just to have someone tell you what to draw. In the end, the response is this: "Show me what you can do." A degree only says you did enough to pass a course. It doesn't say if you are good at the subject or not.
Thank you both for making this; highly informative and educational. This video is a good resource that I think we all need as a bookmarked resource. PS: Those are cool glasses, Claire.
I generally find homework is, if anything, more of a hindrance than anything else. But I do agree that the structure brought forward by being in a classroom is really beneficial. One of the disadvantages of the traditional school system is that homework pushes the formality and structure into the one time of the day in which you really aught to be resting. But the rest of it is fine.
I've been casually drawing since I was a little kid, I'm still no good at it, well at least not to the point of making my characters look any better then a young teen's art, but I still love doing it, albeit while being insecure and dealing with mental health struggles making doing art a chore because my brain loves to magnify the flaws in my art. I want to be a Graphic Designer, and do Marketing for companies so that their websites and product advertisements are eye-catching and draw attention. I've got a lot of work to do.
The US: Student loans too expensive to forgive. Also the US: Let's forgive COVID loans so we can make sure those poor CEOs can afford two more spare yachts. Seriously I did a Zoology degree in the UK for £9k a year, half of which was grant money, and I still feel kind of conned.
While I can see what you mean by "I was the kind of student who showed up with a portfolio that was mostly just fanart", I kind of feel like it devalues fanart? I know it's seen as less "professional" but I don't think there's anything wrong at all with having most of your drawings being of things you enjoy from other artists.
I'm a junior in high school and I've been drawing since i was 3. I really want to go to art school for a bit of structure for future projects and to help me add on more skills than I have, but I don't know if I should go to college first and become an English major as a backup or go to art school after I graduate.
Not all private schools are designated as for-profit, and the majority of private universities are non-profits. But that doesn’t stop them from being way too expensive, anyway.
My buddy Ian Cameron went to MassART in 2013 ish, maybe you know him? Also love the Boston college vibe! I applied to Wentworth and got accepted but didn’t go due to other life paths, I might go back in the future though!
This is off topic but does subjectively have any plans for apoctober this year? I have been dying to see the next part of the story and would like to participate myself :)
I didn't get to go to art school because my parents forbade me from going to college for anything they didn't approve of. Now I have wasted time I will never get back in a career path I hate.
Being fresh out of High school I definitely finally feel the pressure from my family, especially when I still want to relax and enjoy summer without a worry. Thanks for making this video to help broaden my options.
Just don't do it, kids. I really appreciate the opinions shared here. Unfortunately, post-secondary education for digital art (assuming most of the readers here are going into digital art) is a scam. The lectures being taught are almost entirely focused on Trad and are often taught by profs who were previous alumni that fell in the middle of the class. The top people are out there painting and illustrating. It's where the term "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach". You are paying for middling, outdated knowledge from people who, unfortunately, are disconnected from the current market, all under the control of a system that sees you as nothing more than an income flow. There was a great video about art school from Noah Bradley that showed it for what it really is. Unfortunately, Noah is a scumbag so I can't really recommend people go watch it, but to more or less sumarize: everything you can learn from PSE Art can be learned online. Everything. The only missing thing is feedback and a friend group, but there are thousands of discords where you can connect to people for feedback. Not only can it be learned online, but the teachers are often masters themselves. We are lucky enough to be living in an age where the internet allows you instant access to limitless information. Don't even buy classes, pirate them. Scott Eaton, Glen Vilppu, Peter Han, every single schoolism class. Learning should be free and limitless. look for teachers who are at the top of their field who've worked on projects you like and who have art that interests you. Immerse yourself in style and, bonus, don't go into crippling, potentially bankrupting debt. I know anecdotal evidence from a random user means nothing, but applying to art college with my friends and getting rejected was probably the best financial thing that could have happened to me. Sure, my learning was slower and unfocused at first, but over time you fill in the gaps. I worked part-time, learned, and came out with no student debt (from art) and now I, unfortunately, see my friends who went to college struggle, not being able to do what they went to school for simply because they have to pay off a crippling, aggressive loan that will drain their bank account and make them homeless if they don't stop. Who has time to improve at painting and get jobs when they have to work full time for minimum wage to keep a roof over their heads just don't do it kids. Unless you're well off and you don't have to get a loan, there are so many better options
@@flibberfrogman5508 it's not copying them in the work tends to be very different from what they created and most especially ones I use to my knowledge only use art in the public domain
@@stinebrody5541 Did you read my comment before replying? This feels like a response to a different issue. Side note: they absolutely use works outside the public domain, this has been a known issue for a while.
Me going into my 3rd year of art school watching this video: 🧍🏿♂️
Same
Me going into my 2nd year of a STEM school
Just finished
@@Princess_Panada you got any prospects?
Same
Additional word of advice: If you're considering architecture as a creative path, don't do it unless you're really in for a challenge. Architecture school was rough, and that opinion is shared between everyone I went to school with. My sleep schedule may never recover.
Switched from architecture to computer science because studio broke me. And no, your sleep schedule never recovers.
I attended an art university course and sadly I never ended up graduating. It was the worst time of my life knowing my art was just not the "right" one in the genre I went with getting a degree in, but honestly failing that university course opened my eyes so much.
I ended up taking art as a personal hobby, even keeping it as a commission based freelance job, and did some courses in programming (which were very new to me!)
I now have a great job in something i never realized i loved and have my art as a side job instead of my main job, and honestly I cannot say i could be happier with this!!! Knowing my art isnt something i NEED to do, just something i Can do is an amazing feeling guys :)
You may love the art path, use it the way you Want to, not the way they Tell you to. Take your skills and use them the way YOU want to! No one should decide you need an industry job you are fit for just because you are good at something! Take it your own way and you will do great
That's awesome
Thank you for this, watching this vid made me feel awful cuz I failed art in high school due to how proud of myself I always was and it made me realize that. I feel bad that my art isn't up to industry standard but your comment gave me hope❤ I also just see doing art as a hobby but I still want to do big things with it
My BIGGEST Loan segestion is NEVER take a company loan, only federal!!
The main point against the student debt forgiveness was that it wasn’t just forgiving loans but the reimbursement of the companies that made more predatory loans against new students.
The government can and wants to rid the debt but the companies witch hold a decent amount of it demand a lot of money. The government can forgive the debts that they are apart of but can’t really force a company to do the same.
As a growing artist its really nice to hear a more experience artist's advice and well... experiences.
Its really helpful and motivational
As someone intending to become an animator/graphic designer as a major, I was persuaded a lot to have a minor to fall back on if I never ended up liking my major. Thankfully, I acknowledged this really quickly and realize, yeah, I need a minor, even though I still have yet to release my animation goal. So that’s currently what I’m doing with Communications as a minor since I love writing essays and stories as much as drawing, and they both work together pretty seamlessly. I think I’m gonna have fun with my classes.
Maybe you should make a manga?
this is super helpful, lately im just feeling like.. so lost about what i want to do. it really does feel like the only things i would be happy in are art and writing, both of which seem increasingly non-viable in our current economy. to see you two flourishing is really truly inspirational, and this video has certainly given me a lot of things to think about lmao
you got this emily !! don't forfeit your dreams just yet. We are rooting for you.
I just wanna say that I love Claire's voice.
I had been considering art school when I was younger, but I'm glad I decided to keep art as a hobby while going to college for my more lucrative passion (biology).
I’m really glad cheaper online courses were discussed, im autistic bipolar 2 and I’ve been on and off online uni for years now and have only recently decided to put it off for a full 12 months while I go through treatments and such. I LOVE learning but my mood is anything but stable and with my current treatment plan I fall into a depressive episode every 3 or so months so deadlines aren’t a viable option for me during school. Online courses that are self paced and cheap are my only option currently and I’m so glad there’s some really good ones out there and that I’m pretty self disciplined outside of my mood instability
I didn’t go to art school, but a big appeal for college to me was the community. I went for English and secondary education, and sharing ideas and discussing writing/teaching with other people really helped me grow as a writer and as a professional. Interacting with other people and general really helped grow as a person.
The most interesting thing about college, which is particularly beneficial to artists, is that it gives you a chance to get exposed to new types of people and their ideas. You’re basically in a bubble up through high school, as your community and schools are largely going to be demographically similar, and there’s not much incentive to hang around whatever different types of people there may be. However, you can’t avoid meeting different kinds of people in college. There will be people from across the country or even different countries who represent different class backgrounds, races, belief systems etc. and you’re going to take classes with them, befriend them, and potentially live with them. It will really help you learn about new things or see things in a different light.
Of course, the best way to be a part of the community is living on campus, and that’s more expensive to do.
I'm a social worker living in France.
I've always dreamed of learning art and working in the art industry, but I always thought it was too late for me...
But recently, I learned that students at the famous Gobelins animation school give private lessons to pay their bills.
I'm going to try to learn art this way to progress.
Maybe I'll go to art school later, maybe not. Time will tell.
Thank you both again for this beautiful video: I appreciate you both as artists and as people ;)
As someone who’s going into their senior year of high school this August, I’ve definitely been stressed about college. What I’ve been considering most is taking a gap year to explore my options art-wise; buckle down on commissions, online stores, in-person connections, etc. and if I hit a roadblock which requires a degree for me to continue, I’d be able to go to college knowing /exactly/ what I’m going there for. It would be easier to chose a school and a major because there wouldn’t be anywhere near as much question as to what I’d do after school. And if I never hit that roadblock, managing to carve out a living in art without the need for a degree, I circumvent the debt and avoid kneecapping myself right at the start of adulthood.
We highly recommend a gap year! Too many people feel obliged to apply to college immediately after graduating high school, and it's hard to tell at that point in your life what the best option is for you and your future. If taking time off is an option for you, you should absolutely do it.
I really appreciate this. I want to end up working as a character designer or something similar for a studio but I have no idea where to start and I’m turning 18 this year so the stress of trying to figure out what the heck I’m going to do for my future is really building up
Priotize building a portfolio focused on visual development.
Project based practice.
aim to have at least 6 projects/worlds you built from scratch.
Hope this helped!
Great job on this one you two! Far from the usual standard of content that we get here but I think an absolutely important video that many of your audience will greatly rely on to help bolster their decisions heading into art as a job/career or otherwise. I think there's a lot of tough pills to swallow throughout this conversation but you made it palpable by opening up the topic. Seeing the portfolios and personal pieces was greatly appreciated too!
Thank you guys so much for posting this! This is super helpful and will be helpful to asspiring artists
First , also Claire did great being in front of the camera not doing it much, also beautiful art from both of you, very inspiring!
Been watching Claire and Jack prefect their designs since the old pokemon redesigning videos. Love you, Subjectively! ❤
As someone who went to art school, it depends on what kind of student you are. I tried my hardest to complete my associates degree in Illustration but because I have always struggled with turning things in on time and struggled with protectionism, I ended up getting academically dismissed. If you are good at turning in things in on time and aren't afraid to let things go, go right ahead.
Even though I had a bad experience with art school, don't let my comment affect your decision! Do what you think is right for you.
Really enjoyed this video. My sister was the creative in the family and went into industrial design, so this topic connects to me personally on how she experienced her school and post education. I discovered this channel because of my love of Pokémon and nerd culture, but honestly have been fascinated to see how dynamic it has been in exploring design philosophy. I would love to see a video on tool and technology, physical vs digital mediums
I remember one of the game developers I really enjoy said that he has no regrets going to school to learn how to make video games, then quickly followed that up with "NOT IF YOU'RE IN THE US. I am in Europe and it was FREE. Do not do it if you need to pay money."
The loan situation in America is incredibly horrible and it's no wonder there's a mental health crisis among young people. Faced with the impossibility of escaping debt, the fact you can't get a good job unless you go into debt, the crumbling economy and the environmental crisis it makes sense why so many teens and young adults are taking their own lives. If they're going to college, it's for things that may help them, like a business degree, and being an artist unless you come from a middle class or wealthy family (a class that is shrinking more and more by the day) there is very little change you'll succeed, especially if you're not white or are queer.
I regret having gone to an art school. I went to The School Of The Art Institute Of Chicago in the late 80s and when I graduated the shift from traditional to digital was in full swing. If you didn't know how to make use of Photoshop or Illustrator back then, you were left in the dust. It may be different now, but then commercial art was frowned on. Wanting to do corporate work meat you were a sell out. Additionally, the business side of art was not emphasized. Now if there was a redo button, I would've gone to an atelier instead.
We have family with very similar experiences. Jack's uncle actually did end up going to an atelier in his later years and he found it very rewarding. It was also great for making connections in the industry. If you have the resources, look into taking courses at an atelier, it might be worth your while.
i am never going back after my first year. good school for fundamentals but it just seemed to reinforce what i already know and just personally needed to work more on. and lots of unnecessary suffering we did not have time for. live figure drawing sessions is the real bang for your buck. i wish the dreams about me going back would stop but i dont think they will, lol
The only "critique" i ever got was toxicity.. people telling me to "quit" and "never try to draw again".. One even telling me to "off myself"..
I'm someone whom cannot self-teach.. Tried for literally a decade and trying every method of self-teaching (be it studying, tutorials, books, watching art streams, youtube videos and even tracing (which caused me to vomit on two separate occasions due to how tracing makes me feel) and have gotten nowhere. Aggravatingly as a visual learner with a high level of aphantasia (so i cannot even see images in my head) and the requirement of needing to be taught 1:1 im afraid that art school wouldn't help me (though i went to NYCCT as an Advertising & Design Major only to be screwed over by professors who didn't care to actually teach me what i wanted- let alone didn't care for 1:1 assistance or helping me learn from the very ground up).. I found myself failing over and over and over again.
Assistance/Suggestions..? Because I'm at my wits end and have been for 1.5 decades after all that hell.
I've never intended to illustrate for profit. My goals are to do it for the love of creation.. to breath life into the dreams, ideas, worlds & characters of others as well as my own free if any charge.. Never would i charge another for something as beautiful as an illustrated piece crafted to bring joy to another.. And yet here i am unable to do any such thing.. Stuck in a spiraling pit of endless pain and self-loathing laced with mental/emotional anguish and actual physical pain whenever i even try to force myself to.. "attempt" to "Draw".
Thinking of applying to Art Center after i graduate, and this really helps! Going to take a year off after i graduate hs to think about it
I wish I could go to art school a classroom setting would be way better than the weird fragmented information online. I'm not willing to go through debt from student loans so i guess I'll be forced to use the internet for everything.
Use your freedom to form your own curriculum. Pick out classes that cover the fundamentals and learn from teachers about things that interest you. Make deadlines for yourself and push yourself to reach those deadlines. Pirate classes from masters to learn complex, fundamental things and apply them directly to your work
it takes a lot of effort, but you are in a better situation than other artists before. The information available online is a better quality than that in Colledge, the downside is you have to build the discipline and create a format where you are reliant on yourself to put in the hard work. This same discipline will give you a winning edge when it comes to competing in the job market.
and of course, keep on keeping on
Art school in a classroom is legit glorified day care. if you really want to learn art seriously its best to go to an atelier.
I’m just about torn in every direction these days on deciding on what my ideal future is these days my dream was to become a zoologist and film the animals of the world, yet in high school although I didn’t attend an official art class I kept drawing simply because I enjoyed it and throughout high school and a bit of my college years I was told I’d be a terrific writer and while I’m extremely limited to the zoology part of my future due to taking my art a little bit too seriously these days I’m starting to not enjoy it as much plus my first novel series is still on hold and I’m currently focusing on a sequel to a different novel that I only finished by doing drawing of characters before making more serious versions of those characters which is going very slowly and now I’m focusing on the sequel novel while doing drawings that fall somewhere in the middle of serious art and for fun and yet I’m still lacking motivation to finish my original novel series which the top three reasons I stopped working halfway through the project was 1) I was taking it too seriously and therefore wasn’t fun anymore 2) trying to limit every book to 30 chapters from 6 different perspectives was way too much work and 3) I was trying to make the dinosaurs in the novel fact based and not the Jurassic Park/world nonsense they’ve been spreading around since the 90’s and partway through the novel spinosaurus one of the character’s partner dinosaur keeps getting a complete overhaul every time I almost feel comfortable enough to start writing that particular series and now I need to make a note in every novel of the series that this was what was fact based when I started writing the series once I officially feel completely comfortable to start writing that particular series again and I don’t even want to be a writer for a living and when I do write or draw I’m thinking with my heart more than my head and there’s at least one character in each of my stories that is based on me from a certain point of my lifetime and now I’m more conflicted than ever and my future is more clouded all because of Covid-19 and the only people I get to talk about my issues with are the ones from RUclips which is because of Covid-19 that I even have time to talk to
You're paying to be told what to draw when you could just draw on your own. In the end, its if you have skills or not. It's not like learning a critical career where lives are on the line and rules must be followed to a T. Art schools are just money pits. If you can buy the tools on your own (textbooks and art supplies), there is no need to go into debt just to have someone tell you what to draw. In the end, the response is this: "Show me what you can do." A degree only says you did enough to pass a course. It doesn't say if you are good at the subject or not.
Thank you both for making this; highly informative and educational. This video is a good resource that I think we all need as a bookmarked resource.
PS: Those are cool glasses, Claire.
Babe wake up subjectively posted a new video
As somebody who never plans on going to art school (or any college really) this was still a really interesting video to watch!
I’m currently in my third year at massart 😭😭 the world is so small!!
Well the great thing is that since a little incident in the 1930s, art schools never reject anyone any more
I generally find homework is, if anything, more of a hindrance than anything else. But I do agree that the structure brought forward by being in a classroom is really beneficial. One of the disadvantages of the traditional school system is that homework pushes the formality and structure into the one time of the day in which you really aught to be resting. But the rest of it is fine.
I've been casually drawing since I was a little kid, I'm still no good at it, well at least not to the point of making my characters look any better then a young teen's art, but I still love doing it, albeit while being insecure and dealing with mental health struggles making doing art a chore because my brain loves to magnify the flaws in my art. I want to be a Graphic Designer, and do Marketing for companies so that their websites and product advertisements are eye-catching and draw attention. I've got a lot of work to do.
The US: Student loans too expensive to forgive.
Also the US: Let's forgive COVID loans so we can make sure those poor CEOs can afford two more spare yachts.
Seriously I did a Zoology degree in the UK for £9k a year, half of which was grant money, and I still feel kind of conned.
While I can see what you mean by "I was the kind of student who showed up with a portfolio that was mostly just fanart", I kind of feel like it devalues fanart? I know it's seen as less "professional" but I don't think there's anything wrong at all with having most of your drawings being of things you enjoy from other artists.
great vid, good advice!
Instructions are unclear. Applied and got rejected. Now I am building an army to invade France.
I'm a junior in high school and I've been drawing since i was 3. I really want to go to art school for a bit of structure for future projects and to help me add on more skills than I have, but I don't know if I should go to college first and become an English major as a backup or go to art school after I graduate.
Good looking out for people! Don’t want anyone causing another war
Not all private schools are designated as for-profit, and the majority of private universities are non-profits. But that doesn’t stop them from being way too expensive, anyway.
My buddy Ian Cameron went to MassART in 2013 ish, maybe you know him? Also love the Boston college vibe! I applied to Wentworth and got accepted but didn’t go due to other life paths, I might go back in the future though!
Nice, timing I just failed to get into art school :') at least I;ll learn what I need to improve
This is off topic but does subjectively have any plans for apoctober this year? I have been dying to see the next part of the story and would like to participate myself :)
I didn't get to go to art school because my parents forbade me from going to college for anything they didn't approve of. Now I have wasted time I will never get back in a career path I hate.
What's the job site you're using at 16:14 ?
If only thing video came out 5 years ago 😔
I just want a tutor! I just want somebody to sit down right next to me and tell me how to draw!
Being fresh out of High school I definitely finally feel the pressure from my family, especially when I still want to relax and enjoy summer without a worry. Thanks for making this video to help broaden my options.
Really wish I had this video back when I started my art school
me watching this from montenegro
it’d stop a few people from being declined and starting something bad..
seeing that aradia megido fanart hit me with a wave of nostalgia omg ( ；∀；)
oooooh face reveal
So so glad my country has tax-funded tuition.
The mustache man agrees
you're too late, subjectively. 4 years too late.
Just don't do it, kids.
I really appreciate the opinions shared here. Unfortunately, post-secondary education for digital art (assuming most of the readers here are going into digital art) is a scam. The lectures being taught are almost entirely focused on Trad and are often taught by profs who were previous alumni that fell in the middle of the class. The top people are out there painting and illustrating. It's where the term "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach". You are paying for middling, outdated knowledge from people who, unfortunately, are disconnected from the current market, all under the control of a system that sees you as nothing more than an income flow. There was a great video about art school from Noah Bradley that showed it for what it really is. Unfortunately, Noah is a scumbag so I can't really recommend people go watch it, but to more or less sumarize:
everything you can learn from PSE Art can be learned online. Everything. The only missing thing is feedback and a friend group, but there are thousands of discords where you can connect to people for feedback. Not only can it be learned online, but the teachers are often masters themselves. We are lucky enough to be living in an age where the internet allows you instant access to limitless information. Don't even buy classes, pirate them. Scott Eaton, Glen Vilppu, Peter Han, every single schoolism class. Learning should be free and limitless. look for teachers who are at the top of their field who've worked on projects you like and who have art that interests you. Immerse yourself in style and, bonus, don't go into crippling, potentially bankrupting debt.
I know anecdotal evidence from a random user means nothing, but applying to art college with my friends and getting rejected was probably the best financial thing that could have happened to me. Sure, my learning was slower and unfocused at first, but over time you fill in the gaps. I worked part-time, learned, and came out with no student debt (from art) and now I, unfortunately, see my friends who went to college struggle, not being able to do what they went to school for simply because they have to pay off a crippling, aggressive loan that will drain their bank account and make them homeless if they don't stop. Who has time to improve at painting and get jobs when they have to work full time for minimum wage to keep a roof over their heads
just don't do it kids. Unless you're well off and you don't have to get a loan, there are so many better options
Do you consider ai art plagiarism
probably
@@emilymonahan5232 thx for your opinion I would love to hear your reasoning
It's directly dependant on the hard work of artists but leaves them uncredited.
@@flibberfrogman5508 it's not copying them in the work tends to be very different from what they created and most especially ones I use to my knowledge only use art in the public domain
@@stinebrody5541 Did you read my comment before replying? This feels like a response to a different issue.
Side note: they absolutely use works outside the public domain, this has been a known issue for a while.
Me who lives in another country hearing about people paying for art school knowing full well I'm going there for free🧍