When the rinks open back up in the U.K. this is the one I want to master. I can L stop both legs and do tight turns outside edge, but I was struggling to one foot outside edge stop, I think I started to get it it before lockdown, cannot wait to get stuck into this one.
This is one skill that evades me after having played roller from age 6-13 (while ice skating for fun on the side), and then playing ice starting at 20 (32 now). It's so natural for pros to outside edge stop on their way back to the bench. I can mohawk circles around everyone, and am in general a strong skater, but just can't get these or punch turns down *yet*. Slowly but surely adding in outside edge t stops when I get to the bench.
This is such an underrated skill to have and so difficult (for me) to pick up. Been playing hockey for almost 20 years (I'm 40) and I am only starting to get the hang of this after focussing on it for the past 3 years. I suspect this is a lot harder to practice since I am so accustomed to the 3/8" hollow, so the skate bites hard every time I put the edge down. Gonna try going down to 7/16" or even 1/2" to see if it's easier to do.
I swear the hardest part about skating is stopping. I can skate like the wind, but when its time to stop I smash into the boards because whatever hes doing is not physically possible
no matter how many of these videos i watch, i cant do it. I cant even do a true hockey stop. I can do a one leg hockey stop, but the other leg is just following along, skate pointed straight. .Nobody knows how to truly teach this. .. For example, at a rink I asked someone how they do it. He told me you have to *lean back* when you hockey stop…What awesome advice, and that helped me some! Why cant any of these alleged instructors, even the gretzky instructional, have even mentioned this little tidbit!??!
Hey Rick, will you please send me some footage of you stopping? I’ll work with you and explain exactly how to improve and offer drills to do so: admin@itrainhockey.com - Sean
@@itrainhockey thank u. I will try. I have since found some good instructionals, but I almost feel real hockey stopping is kind of a born with skill, kinda like being able to play guitar or not! Still struggling w taking weight off the trailing foot….Seems almost impossible.
actually, try not to lean back when doing the hockey stop. Only your hips are shifted backwards, but you want ur torso and upper body facing the direction you are stopping, if that makes sense. if you lean your torso back too much, you'll usually fall backwards or end you with ur weight on ur heels if you don't have the balance. Regarding the outside edge 1-foot stop, i never really practiced for it. i tried it after getting very comfortable with controlling the outside edge through other drills. progression that worked for me was: 1. getting comfortable with the L stop (shown in the video) 2. getting comfortable with an aggressive L stop from full speed - really practice with both legs. 3. getting comfortable with the L stop but have the leg slide into it, instead of picking it up like you would with the L stop (so you're sliding into ur outside edge on 1 foot while having ur non stopping leg just gliding as usual), so your finish position is a punch stop position/or a 'tango stop' position which is what the figure skaters call it. this shows that you have control easing into the outside edge without the need to lift the foot and place it to stop on the outside edge. 4. getting comfortable with step 3 whilst doing it aggressively, and practice both feet 5. you should be able to do the outside edge 1 foot stop with ease note: when you're stopping, you're shaving the ice and you dont want too much pressure. shave on a slight outside edge, and towards the ball of the foot
Started practicing this yesterday but I found in the first progression of this I am having difficulty not only getting my foot to be 90 degrees perpendicular but also struggled with being able to sort of glide in to the stop. As soon as I turn my foot and place it on the ice I can only catch outside edge which trips me forward. Any ideas or tips? Or its just going to take a TON of practice.
I can't do it well either so take that into account but I think your suspicion is correct. There are quite a few factors that need to go into muscle memory here: how to angle the blade and your centre of gravity relative to your movement speed etc. Let's keep working at it! I can see how being able to do this will help so much in executing and also recovering from a quick stop because you can then take the next stride right away by coming off that inside edge.
Hold onto the boards and try scraping upwards to get the L shape with the outside edge. Similar to how when you first learn to stop you do it with the inside edge, this time do it with the outside. Edit: Go to 5:24 ruclips.net/video/ji01OfXqQzE/видео.html
Hey sean, which skate blade profile are you using? My edges seem to get very caught in the ice whenever im using my outer edge to stop like this. I use a 1/2 inch but i think it could be because of how light i am, lol
Try favoring your weight toward your toes a bit and experiment with it. Outside edge stops catch less when you shade your weight forward a bit, as a learning tool. As you want to get more aggressive you can move the balance back to the middle part of the blade again.
From another video I saw (and the incredible Laura Stamm power skating series) that seems to mean either your weight is too far back to the middle/rear (i.e. should be mostly on the toe) and/or your stance is too upright so your blades are catching and releasing causing chatter/vibration. This latter means you aren't angling your blades with your ankles and legs. Your upper body actually is supposed to bend the opposite way from your lower body; so you don't form a straight line from toes to head, you form a bent line, hinging at your waist so that your upper body is able to put more weight "straight down" onto your edges vs "pushing sideways" on your edges. But whatever you do don't watch me skate to learn!
It's usually a result of trying to stop using the entire length of the blade; try rotating ever so slightly from the tip of the blade and then gradually add more weight to the rest of the blade as you're rotating to a perpendicular position. As always, the weak side is harder to master, especially on outside edges.
Maybe it's an issue with your blades, how they are sharpened. If the curve is too great, blades tend to dig into the ice more, and stopping becomes a difficult task even for experienced skaters. Try a more shallow curve
put your weight slightly toward your heel from the middle of your blade. almost like your driving the part of your foot where your heal meets your arch.
Two issues with this. Either your holder and rivets are wearing to the point that they are moving (happens often as the skate gets holder and more abused) or your positioning is incorrect, possibly leaning to far back on the back end of the blade, try bending knee and and sitting a bit more, position your knee forward to the toe of your skate a bit.
What’s the tip? Is it easier to do it with tow area? When I tried to do it with heel, the blade gets caught on the ice. Been practicing but it’s really hard.
This is the only hockey stop I can do which I find is odd. I feel I trust my outsides alot more. Stopping on my insides is just a big no for me at the moment!
It’s a well known show stop in figure skating. Really hard to learn. I suggest those who haven’t stopped with outside edges at all, doing the two foot T stop first. Be sure to make it strong and clear.
i can't seem to commit on my left leg. any tips on how to correct this. I also struggle turning left and using the outside edge on my left skate in general
I had the same issue, and still have it to some extent. While tight turning on the left I don't hear the rip of the edges on my inside leg, I noticed that I am not comfortable putting a lot of weight on my left leg in a forward lunge position ( or even one foot glide ) - also even if I do lunge i tend to put weight on the toe, and feel unstable if I put weight on the heel during the lunge, whereas on the right my natural tendency is to put weight all the weight in the heels while lunging. Another issue I noticed was I don't turn my head around when turning left, without turning the head body doesn't turn as much and then you can't lean as much, with all this fixed I can sometimes hear the rip on the inside edge ( left leg ) when turning left.
Try this one with a good c-cut drill to get started plus the "traditional" t-stop where the stopping foot trails the lead/balancing foot ruclips.net/video/LPK6xq2kto0/видео.html
don't think about stopping at first. Just try shaving the lightest amount of ice possible and gradually get more comfortable with it. Middle/front part of the blade. Stiffen the ankle so it can handle touchdown.
i can hockey stop but can't do this one...it's so hard for me i'm scared ill catch my inside edge. also when i try slide on my outer edge it's very rough and not smooth like the video
What works for me... keep the knees bent a bit, weight should be in the middle of the blade. Lots & lots & lots & lots of repetition (did I mention lots?)
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He makes it look so easy, I feel like such a scrub 🙃
It really is discouraging. I’m really struggling with this.
@@markproulx1472 It is a very hard skill to get.
I’m definitely a decent skater most people would say good actually and I can’t even do this damn stop. It’s very hard.
I can do it now! Keep trying everyone. Once you get a good shave just have to trust it and start leaning back. Keep hope.
It is easy ya newbs
I'm about to go practice in a hour thank you
When the rinks open back up in the U.K. this is the one I want to master. I can L stop both legs and do tight turns outside edge, but I was struggling to one foot outside edge stop, I think I started to get it it before lockdown, cannot wait to get stuck into this one.
how’s it going?
Grew up playing roller.
Ice hockey clinic tonight had us do this..
My foot would not turn .
It was like a natural reflex
This is one skill that evades me after having played roller from age 6-13 (while ice skating for fun on the side), and then playing ice starting at 20 (32 now). It's so natural for pros to outside edge stop on their way back to the bench. I can mohawk circles around everyone, and am in general a strong skater, but just can't get these or punch turns down *yet*. Slowly but surely adding in outside edge t stops when I get to the bench.
This is such an underrated skill to have and so difficult (for me) to pick up. Been playing hockey for almost 20 years (I'm 40) and I am only starting to get the hang of this after focussing on it for the past 3 years. I suspect this is a lot harder to practice since I am so accustomed to the 3/8" hollow, so the skate bites hard every time I put the edge down. Gonna try going down to 7/16" or even 1/2" to see if it's easier to do.
I swear the hardest part about skating is stopping. I can skate like the wind, but when its time to stop I smash into the boards because whatever hes doing is not physically possible
Seriously, thanks for this video.
no matter how many of these videos i watch, i cant do it. I cant even do a true hockey stop. I can do a one leg hockey stop, but the other leg is just following along, skate pointed straight. .Nobody knows how to truly teach this. .. For example, at a rink I asked someone how they do it. He told me you have to *lean back* when you hockey stop…What awesome advice, and that helped me some! Why cant any of these alleged instructors, even the gretzky instructional, have even mentioned this little tidbit!??!
Hey Rick, will you please send me some footage of you stopping? I’ll work with you and explain exactly how to improve and offer drills to do so: admin@itrainhockey.com
- Sean
@@itrainhockey thank u. I will try. I have since found some good instructionals, but I almost feel real hockey stopping is kind of a born with skill, kinda like being able to play guitar or not! Still struggling w taking weight off the trailing foot….Seems almost impossible.
actually, try not to lean back when doing the hockey stop. Only your hips are shifted backwards, but you want ur torso and upper body facing the direction you are stopping, if that makes sense. if you lean your torso back too much, you'll usually fall backwards or end you with ur weight on ur heels if you don't have the balance.
Regarding the outside edge 1-foot stop, i never really practiced for it. i tried it after getting very comfortable with controlling the outside edge through other drills. progression that worked for me was:
1. getting comfortable with the L stop (shown in the video)
2. getting comfortable with an aggressive L stop from full speed - really practice with both legs.
3. getting comfortable with the L stop but have the leg slide into it, instead of picking it up like you would with the L stop (so you're sliding into ur outside edge on 1 foot while having ur non stopping leg just gliding as usual), so your finish position is a punch stop position/or a 'tango stop' position which is what the figure skaters call it. this shows that you have control easing into the outside edge without the need to lift the foot and place it to stop on the outside edge.
4. getting comfortable with step 3 whilst doing it aggressively, and practice both feet
5. you should be able to do the outside edge 1 foot stop with ease
note: when you're stopping, you're shaving the ice and you dont want too much pressure. shave on a slight outside edge, and towards the ball of the foot
How.do you not break your ankle
Started practicing this yesterday but I found in the first progression of this I am having difficulty not only getting my foot to be 90 degrees perpendicular but also struggled with being able to sort of glide in to the stop. As soon as I turn my foot and place it on the ice I can only catch outside edge which trips me forward. Any ideas or tips? Or its just going to take a TON of practice.
I can't do it well either so take that into account but I think your suspicion is correct. There are quite a few factors that need to go into muscle memory here: how to angle the blade and your centre of gravity relative to your movement speed etc.
Let's keep working at it! I can see how being able to do this will help so much in executing and also recovering from a quick stop because you can then take the next stride right away by coming off that inside edge.
I have the same issue too.
Hold onto the boards and try scraping upwards to get the L shape with the outside edge. Similar to how when you first learn to stop you do it with the inside edge, this time do it with the outside.
Edit:
Go to 5:24
ruclips.net/video/ji01OfXqQzE/видео.html
Guys its one of the hardest stops to learn. Just practice and watch youtube tutorials
Perfect video that 👌🏼 👏
Hey sean, which skate blade profile are you using? My edges seem to get very caught in the ice whenever im using my outer edge to stop like this. I use a 1/2 inch but i think it could be because of how light i am, lol
Try favoring your weight toward your toes a bit and experiment with it. Outside edge stops catch less when you shade your weight forward a bit, as a learning tool. As you want to get more aggressive you can move the balance back to the middle part of the blade again.
Is that when another faceoffs are call?
I can't do that either. I feel my blades are always chopping on the ice instead of shaving.
From another video I saw (and the incredible Laura Stamm power skating series) that seems to mean either your weight is too far back to the middle/rear (i.e. should be mostly on the toe) and/or your stance is too upright so your blades are catching and releasing causing chatter/vibration. This latter means you aren't angling your blades with your ankles and legs. Your upper body actually is supposed to bend the opposite way from your lower body; so you don't form a straight line from toes to head, you form a bent line, hinging at your waist so that your upper body is able to put more weight "straight down" onto your edges vs "pushing sideways" on your edges. But whatever you do don't watch me skate to learn!
It's usually a result of trying to stop using the entire length of the blade; try rotating ever so slightly from the tip of the blade and then gradually add more weight to the rest of the blade as you're rotating to a perpendicular position. As always, the weak side is harder to master, especially on outside edges.
Maybe it's an issue with your blades, how they are sharpened. If the curve is too great, blades tend to dig into the ice more, and stopping becomes a difficult task even for experienced skaters. Try a more shallow curve
Hello! Tell me, what is your blade profile and sharpening radius?
My skate keeps getting stuck even with the weight on the front half of the foot on the first drill, any advice please?
put your weight slightly toward your heel from the middle of your blade. almost like your driving the part of your foot where your heal meets your arch.
My skate chatters when I try the L stop. What must I correct?
Two issues with this. Either your holder and rivets are wearing to the point that they are moving (happens often as the skate gets holder and more abused) or your positioning is incorrect, possibly leaning to far back on the back end of the blade, try bending knee and and sitting a bit more, position your knee forward to the toe of your skate a bit.
What’s the tip? Is it easier to do it with tow area? When I tried to do it with heel, the blade gets caught on the ice. Been practicing but it’s really hard.
Same here. Mine's choppy most of the time, or I get thrown off.
Middle of the skate has been working for me
middle forward for any stopping...if you use your heal your going to have a bad time.
This is the only hockey stop I can do which I find is odd. I feel I trust my outsides alot more. Stopping on my insides is just a big no for me at the moment!
That’s super odd
It’s a well known show stop in figure skating. Really hard to learn. I suggest those who haven’t stopped with outside edges at all, doing the two foot T stop first. Be sure to make it strong and clear.
i can't seem to commit on my left leg. any tips on how to correct this. I also struggle turning left and using the outside edge on my left skate in general
I had the same issue, and still have it to some extent. While tight turning on the left I don't hear the rip of the edges on my inside leg, I noticed that I am not comfortable putting a lot of weight on my left leg in a forward lunge position ( or even one foot glide ) - also even if I do lunge i tend to put weight on the toe, and feel unstable if I put weight on the heel during the lunge, whereas on the right my natural tendency is to put weight all the weight in the heels while lunging.
Another issue I noticed was I don't turn my head around when turning left, without turning the head body doesn't turn as much and then you can't lean as much, with all this fixed I can sometimes hear the rip on the inside edge ( left leg ) when turning left.
@@ly9nd Wow the turning the head thing makes a lot of sense! I'm gonna try that next time! thanks !
When will I learn so)))
bro its so weird i can do that 1 leg outside edge stop but cant hockey stopp
I feel like there's a progression or two missing between the two leg stride + stop, and the single leg stop next.
Try this one with a good c-cut drill to get started plus the "traditional" t-stop where the stopping foot trails the lead/balancing foot ruclips.net/video/LPK6xq2kto0/видео.html
I m from Russia, your lessons re awesome!
Very difficult my outside edge doesn’t skid but chatters 😢
don't think about stopping at first. Just try shaving the lightest amount of ice possible and gradually get more comfortable with it.
Middle/front part of the blade. Stiffen the ankle so it can handle touchdown.
I legit can’t wrap my head around this😞
Whats your skate type?
i can hockey stop but can't do this one...it's so hard for me i'm scared ill catch my inside edge. also when i try slide on my outer edge it's very rough and not smooth like the video
Same here. Mine gets choppy when I tried.
What works for me... keep the knees bent a bit, weight should be in the middle of the blade. Lots & lots & lots & lots of repetition (did I mention lots?)
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I've played hockey for 36yrs and I cannot stop on my outside edge. So pathetic🤦♂️
I feel your pain
Does that help with the hockey stop? Learning to stop on the outside edge?
Yes. Ideally you would use both skates together (inside and outside edge) in order to get the quickest stop possible
It's legit just a hockey stop where you keep the front foot in the air.
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39 years old, played hockey my whole life...still cant do this.
Ditto man lol. So bad
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