To stop the lagginess especially in Offline Mode in DST, you currently have the option to turn off Lag Prediction, which was the whole reason it existed.
I actually forgot to mention that in the video, but yes, all DST players should turn off the predictive lag setting. However, I don't think it makes any difference if you are in offline mode. There still is that slight input delay when I have tried it.
@@salendrak i prefer to have lag compensation set to predictive, sure you won't double hit shadows or kite that well but at least it's more responsive, when i turn it off theres very big delay and i cant gtet used to it, even after 700 hours.
Great video but you forgot to add that Don't Starve Together (at least on steam) comes with an extra copy as a gift. That adds a lot of extra value to DST specially when it's on sale.
Yeah, I was going to slip that in there, but was having trouble finding any documented evidence that it's still active, and then forgot to double check. Oh well!!
Ya my friends and I have been using the extra copy to slowly get everyone in the friend group to play. 2 people get the same on sale and that's 4 copies.
If you’re lagging in dst while playing solo, consider using the “dont starve alone” server mod found in the workshop. Completely removes lag as long as it’s a singleplayer world.
@@kehtonhultquist5075it’s on console, not for free. You can get mods if you have a steam deck which is basically a handheld pc not really a “console”. And on steam deck you CAN get mods.
One of my favourite experience with this series is that even after a LOT of hours in DST and beating all bosses in that game with a friend Once I got to Shipwrecked and Hamlet, I was back to being a total noob, feeling extremely lost and confused, having to learn the way of the game all over again
Yeah, that's why I intentionally never learned anything about Hamlet until I did a big live-stream event where I played it completely blind. Was tons of fun!!
I’ve played this game off and on for a long time and I’ve yet to beat a single boss I just bought dst and accidentally unleashed an eyeball monster and someone in the game with me just said “run”.
I was able to beat every boss in shipwrecked and ROG, but when it comes to hamlet I feel very much like a noob. Can't even get past the first few seasons. Deffinitly make it fill like A whole new game, and definitly worth getting
Minor footnote: the Switch Version is the least updated version of DST, on launch on Switch it only had every update until the Webber Character Refresh (which was the first version of DST Switch), then came everything up to the WX refresh like Klei said, but Wolfgang's Mighty Gym is bugged, and finally we got the "A Little Drama" update, while the Maxwell Rework is on every other version
My guess is that pretty soon it will be fully up to date, and will hopefully keep pace with the Steam versions in the future. That said, it definitely does have some performance issues and single-player bugs, so probably not the best choice if you have any other options.
Update for switch. To my knowledge its fully up to date. Been loving playing reworked woodie. It still has active server, although none of the servers I find seem to be running anywhere nearby, so you get pretty hard lag if you aren't hosting. IDK if I'm an idiot. But I swear it never got chat. Why? Why can't people on switch use the chat, keep in mind. Online multiplayer games do have a working chat on Switch. Or at least a few do.
thank you for the well organized and detailed overview. i've collected all the games/dlcs over the years, but have always been confused over which version i ought to be playing, especially since i prefer to play alone, and for the longest time i thought i was impossible to play DST solo.
A good thing about DST is, if u buy it on steam, u always get a extra copy of the game so u can gift to a friend. That makes DST kind of 7,50EUR/$ per Person if u plan on playing with friends anyways. Very educational video :D
For anyone who is new when watching this video, just to let you know, don’t starve is SO WORTH IT. If your new, I HIGHLY recommend the vanilla and then RoG (Reign of Giants) for the first. It will be difficult but if your struggling, watch sale drakes guides as they are really helpful and gives good advice and info. This game will take hours out of your day (I have a day 340 world and if you do the math, that’s 45.33 hours and that world aside, I probably spent over 100 hours on Dont starve, IT IS SO WORTH IT
Btw that world was on a pocket edition and in the video salendrak said that it’s buggy. AMEN. I lost my 340 worlds BC of a beefalo……don’t ask questions……
I agree. I struggled with DST but went back and started playing on vanilla and and it’s much more of a beginner experience. I’m so excited to get good enough to play the other versions
And what's really great is that these are the sorts of games that will definitely stand the test of time and be fun for years and years into the future!!
Honestly, with how good the development team has been with this game and the game being as good as it is and the passion, the team puts into the work they do I would just fall on say by both I’d say they well earned their dollars which is something I would not say about most video game industries in this day and age
Exceptional quality content and video for such a small channel. Well done mate! I have played both games and had this question many years ago, but without this video I just bought both, lol!
I don't really play any game beside a casual mobile game, but when I saw volx(?) dont starve gameplay, I decide to give it a try in 2015, and that was when I fell in love with the game. they have everything I wanted in a game: survival, sandbox, and really unique! also, I really like the game design, they're cute but has a horror touch on them, and that is amazing! I must say I'm not really good at boss fighting and spend most of my time to build a mega base, but that is why I love dont starve, you can just leave alone the bosses and fighting them later whenever you're ready. not to mention the dst content is top tier with their story line, the short animated videos, everything is *chefs kiss.
Yeah - I love the fact that overall the graphics and style of the game is pretty simple, yet SOOOOO perfect for the game. And goes to show that solid game mechanics are way more important for making a good game compared to flashy graphics!
was thinking of what version to buy, but your video made it a easy decision. As there is an steam summer sale going on I can get the Mega bundle under $10. So, I bought it. Thanks for the great video
@@salendrak just finished watching the video. Great summary, however you forgot to mention the free copy of dst when you buy it. This gives it a ton of value if like you want to play with your best friend, family or ever fiancé.
@@verestoyjanos5013 I was going to put that in there, but was having trouble finding any reference to it on steam, and was worried they removed it or might remove it in the future.
I am a proud PE player. When I boot this bad boy up with my bluetooth controller and headset, I get one of the best experiences I could ask for. You (and maybe a few others) really under-appreciate the power of mobility. I think we all agree that DS is an amazing game and I as a highschool senior (10th grade-ish here in germany) I wouldn't know what to do in both of my daily 25 min. Breaks without DS. Its even better for long travels, as my family and I often drive to other countries ... being trapped in a car for 5+ hours is SO MUCH less miserable with DS. I love the PE version. I call it "the best 4.50€ I ever spent."
Oh for sure! Compared to other mobile games it really is quite the bargain, and able to provide TONS of hours of entertainment. It really only pales in comparison to the other versions of Don't Starve, but compared to other options for good mobile games, it's great!
Another big thing to note when chosing, if you buy DST, it comes with a second game copy that you can gift to a friend so you technically get 2 copies of DST for $15 (w/o a sale)
This guide is fantastic, well laid out. As someone who has all versions on steam, Xbox, and a few of them on switch and PS4, I want to add 2 things - If you are console ONLY, console versions of the single player games have some glitches that were patched on PC years ago, but the console ports weren’t fixed for (there’s a seasonal glitch that happens with caves). It’s a huge pain late game but you can still get 100s of hours without having the problems. But, for console, DST doesn’t have those glitches, so I’d suggest DST if you’re going console only. The lag in DST he mentions IS a thing but you wouldn’t even realize it’s there most of the time unless you played solo for a while and switched. It’s more like input delay, just the tiniest bit always there, but he is right, the solo games are just a smoother experience. But the seasonal events in dst are great and the developers constant updates are great too. Fantastic video recap
Excellent points - and thank you for adding the perspective regarding consoles! I've honestly never played any of the console versions, so it's great to see the view of someone who prefers them.
From my experience DST on the nintendo switch is way more laggy and unstable than solo. However, as you said they are no annoying game breaking bugs in DST(the season glitch is such a pain).
@@felixcharbonneau9282 I’m really surprised they managed a switch port at all with the hardware limitations, I don’t have it on switch but, with good internet it runs quite well on the PS4 and Xbox But I agree on that one specifically, DS on switch would be a better experience
@@felixcharbonneau9282 yea I have solo on switch and it was great until you realize volcano dry season can become infinite since it reset every time I appeased the volcano. After 45 days of eruptions every 3 days I gave up. Great on steam deck now, but that’s just a mobile pc really.
I played dst as my first one, and after 2k+ hrs in ds overall, I can comfortably say that I couldnt pick a better one, dst is still my favorite ds, simply because its definitely the one with most content, and its kind of a mix of all ds dlcs, so when I started playing them, I quickly got hang of them, cus I already knew the base mechanics of them from dst (altought they still were pretty different)
Love your videos! Especially the reign of giants guide, I saw many guide but its always on Dst, made me a little bit confused of their difference, made me happy that I found a guide about Rog
Yeah, most people focus on DST since it is in active development. I personally always felt like single-player never got the high-quality guides it deserves, hence my reason for making them!!
@@salendrak You're a legend for that, btw. You showed me so many little neat tricks I never thought of. I love rewatching these when the mood strikes.
basically I would say in almost every situation dst is the best. really the only exceptions are if you are on console and want to play by yourself, or if you just really want to play hamlet, especially since there is a mod now on dst that just adds shipwrecked along with the other thousands of mods that are amazing. even mods that add extra interesting game modes like the forge and gorge that were limited time but have been fully remade by the community and can be played at any time.
Controller was a great experience overall coming back to the game many years later, but there are minor issues with specific characters. Some can be fixed thanks to small mods though. For example Wendy can attack her ghostly sister and despawn her because there is no "force attack command" that prevents you from doing so (losing 50 sanity and a few days in the process) but a simple underrated workshop mod prevents it. (modding in the workshop is easy, just a few clicks really) On the other hand, Willow's lighter's command to light things on fire is the same as the one to start cooking things on the crockpot.It is easy to destroy it and lose ressources, food and time this way. I haven't found a solution to this one and i always end up doing it again at some point. (a simple torch also does this but you don't just walk around with one since it consumes itself).
I've only ever played pocket edition and wanted to experience the best this game has to offer, but all the options had me overwhelmed. Thanks for making this video simplifying everything, it helped a lot!
I really love this game and never seem to get sick of it (coming back to it again and again). I am very casual and not a strong player but enjoy it anyways. I play on the Switch in handheld mostly while watching tv in the evening. I envy the hot keys and shortcuts available for keyboard users, but I definitely play more with it being on the Switch. I have never actually tried the ROG mode - just alternate between DS and SW. And I had no clue about what DST was all about… great video! Thanks!
Yeah, I don't play Don't Starve exclusively, as I like to have variety in my gaming free time. But I do keep coming back to it periodically, and always have a great time! You should definitely try out Reign of Giants though - it really fleshes out the original game in a lot of great ways!
Easy solution: Do you have friends? No? Didn't think so, so get a single player game. You do have friends? Are you sure? Ok... get Don't Starve Together then. ... You're 100% sure? Ok, just checking...
amazing detailed video I've been a fan of don't starve since the beta and i absolutely love all of it's different versions they are all fun and enjoyable
I have 400 hours in Don't Starve, loved the adventure mode especially, and the Shipwrecked DLC really clicked with me. Sure the endgame isn't quite as extensive as Reign of Giants or especially DST, but something about navigating the seas with relative ease (at least compared to DST) really did it for me and I sunk so much time into it. I still might get back into it and do playthroughs with more challenging characters. If all you know is DST then I can't vouch for the single player experience enough, especially Shipwrecked and Hamlet if you want that completely new experience.
if there is a factor left unmentioned, it is couch co-op. As the internet rises, couch co-op is becoming a rarer feature, yet for the T in DST, it would go a long way to have couch co-op for pricing consideration, even if it was the singular advantage of console over the modding potential of PC. Probably not that hard to find on my own, but it is a key factor to consider for those who still enjoy playing with siblings, dorm-mates, party guests, etc., especially since vocal communication will always be more engaging without being a distraction compared to text.
@@salendrak Not really what i was asking, but that does make the terraria comparison stronger if there is an evil to purify out of the world. XD Nah, i was more referring to split screen multiplayer. It is much easier to convince people to buy a game if they can share the experience with others locally WITHOUT asking them to buy in themselves, and the environment of talking with someone in the same room about a game is vastly different than reading a text log when in a safe enough spot to interact with it. If continuing with a terraria comparison, one way to make a new player is to have a veteran in a world alongside a noob, explaining the basics without telling them to take a deep dive on a wiki. As the veteran prepares the noob and themselves for progression, the noob can wander around doing whatever they please while learning the controls, and the veteran can glance over to their side of the screen and try to break bad habits before they stick. Once the noob gets hooked, they are much more likely to buy it for themselves, and it is much easier to get a noob hooked if they dont need to make that initial buying investment. The flip side is if someone anticipates enjoying the game enough to become the veteran for someone else (like a younger brother or some other person they live with), the money investment becomes time-based potential instead. Couch co-op/split screen is a very niche factor, but for those who benefit, it is a very appealing one that can make a difference between purchases. Heck, for some, they buy a game exclusively because they can share it with those in their house and it satisfies a very specific itch for co-op or rivalry based game play.
Oh, wait - I somehow put a response to a different comment on your...not sure how I did that.... But yeah, couch co-op on consoles is definitely a big factor to consider that I totally forgot to mention. I probably would have gotten DST on the Switch (the only console I own) if it had 4-player so I could play with the whole family. Maybe if we end up getting a second switch at some point I will!!
As you said on the video, there are items and resources that don't exist on DST. For example, on Shipwrecked there's Tar and Bioluminescence. Tar is the best fuel in the game, because it has the burning power of Boards, stacks up to 40 and you can collect in big numbers if you don't fear the Quacken. And Bioluminescence can fuel Lanterns and similar items the amount as Fireflies, but it's even more abundant, while also being cheaper to collect because while Fireflies require Ripe and Silk, Bioluminescence requires Rope and Bamboo, and Bamboo is easier to obtain than Silk. There's also the Cutlass Supreme on SW, which deals the same damage as a Dark Sword but does not drain Sanity. There's also Obsidian, which can be used to craft more efficient tools plus weapons and armor that can be taken to RoG to better fight the Dragonfly.
Maybe I skipped the part but my biggest questions are still unanswered: 1. Is there cross play? 2. Does DST have split screen? 3. Do you need to buy DST twice to play with more people? 4. Does this game look more like Minecraft or Civilisation where you play 40 minute games and restart?
1 - No. 2 - On the switch is has 2-player split screen. I don't think other platforms have split screen, but don't know for sure. 3 - On switch no (see 2 above). Also on Steam no, because you get an extra key for free when you buy DST. Not sure about other platforms. 4 - More like Minecraft, but only after you're good at the game. Before that, you'll likely get to a state where you will want to start over, as recovering from dying a lot of times can be extremely punishing. This will depend on your world settings though. But compared to something like Civ, there is no "end" to a game in DST. The sandbox goes on for as long as you want to keep on going on.
Just because I didn’t know, you can do solo servers on DST OR host / join public servers too. So you could do multiplayer even if you don’t have friends playing, plus Steam comes with two copies!
I didn't even know this game existed back then, one of my friends gifted me dont starve together, we played it with like 5 people and it was a lot of fun! 2 of them quit after about a day because they lost interest in the game, but us 3 reached day 100 for the first time after months of constant dying and creating new worlds. Sadly, it was a few years ago we all quit so they wouldn't even remember this game but, i gained back a lot of interest for this game the past months and discovered i've done almost nothing in the past playthroughs. So recently, i have slayed almost every boss, played almost every character and actually learnt how to play them instead of mindlessly running around, did more boss speedruns etc. Now i take it slow, have about 600 days in 1 world and 800+ hours overall... So yeah... I'd definitely say Don't Starve Together is a clean choice, also not only does steam mods have insane QoL changes, theres also the "Uncomprimising Mode" mod which, literally offers much more quality, challenging content than a dlc. Theres also a lot of custom characters, weapons, enemies, bosses and so on. Another reason i would easily recommend DST is, the characters. They're so different from what they're in other games, so uniquely reworked and have much more replayability value. (!!One Last Thing!! i don't know if its illegal or something lmao but theres literally the shipwrecked version of dont starve in steam mods... so yeah...)
The Don't Starve games are definitely the type of game that seems simple on the surface, but once you get into them, they have a TON of depth that a lot of new players have no idea exists! And yes - mods are total gamechangers!!
I have all the Don't starves, and while i overall have more hours in Don't starve together, i find the singleplayer version more enjoyable, mainly because of the DLCs. I can remember all the times i messed up and died in singleplayer, (such as when i gambled too much and forgot to bring a light source), and while don't starve together is still really good (such as when the celestial champion murdered me so many times that i tore a tear in time itself and duplicated an insulated pack while trying to rollback) i prefer singleplayer Don't starve by just a tiny smidge
Yeah - if you look at places like reddit you always see a TON of groupthink people saying "DST get Updates" "DST has moar stuff" "DST better", and while yes DST is a great game, single player is also great, but in different ways. Sometimes it's just nice to play a game that is complete and not constantly getting added to!
fantastic explanation, this video should be in every platform where don't starve is available. For any newbie still afraid of getting into the franchise think first if you want something similar to a sandbox or a roguelike, being dst the sandbox and ds vanilla the the roguelike, while both are technically the same game they can offer very different experiences. both still worth every penny to this day
Hey - if that's what you have access to, then go with it! As compared to other mobile games it's really good. It just pales in comparison to all other version of Don't Starve.
and I wish DST "boats" were in DS. They would work very nicely for ocean base in Shipwrecked, but sailing is with out a doubt a lot more faster and pleasant on Shipwrecked ships
@@1God1Fury Not to mention you have plenty of ocean-placed structures in Shipwrecked that aren't in DST! Overall though, I rather enjoy the differences that are in each version 😉
16:43 there are some mods which can change a few things so game is less "laggy" (don't starve alone is one of those) and you can even get mods that cut in half all monsters hp and can change some stuff so it is easier/better for solo playthrough. So I personally suggest buying DST and after few hours in this version decide if solo is good to buy.(i have more than 300 hours and never played in multiplayer or even past day ~45 without rolling back but still had fun)
Honestly, I have no intention on playing DST anytime soon (No friends to play it with, and there's NO way I'm playing that one by myself. XD), but I recently picked DS 1 back up, and I gotta say, I'm having a decent amount of fun with it. Honestly, just changing some of the world settings makes it feel like a totally different game (I wouldn't recommend "Houndpocalypse" if you're a new player, though. Just trust me. XD). Yes, it's hard. Yes, you'll probably not last the first week in your initial runs. Don't feel embarrassed about it, though. That's part of the experience, and almost every player's been there. XD But you'll learn, and do better next time. (Or you can look at guides and wiki's ahead of time if you're not here for the "experience".) But yeah, good game. You'll def get your money's worth out of it.
Yeah - for me learning the game was full of all sorts of frustrations, but that only fueled my desire to try again and do better, learn more, try again, do better, learn more, etc, etc. And yes - single player is a FANTASTIC game!! No need to jump into DST now or ever really. You'll have plenty of fun with the original, especially if you branch out into its expansions!
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I didn't expect a guide on what game to buy to have this many spoilers of content like bosses, biomes, or how to unlock characters.
In my years of making videos about games, I've found that the vast majority of viewers appreciate the level of detail I go into, and only a very small minority are bothered or annoyed by whatever I include that they feel is a spoiler. If I were to exclude all the info that someone somewhere at some point might feel is a spoiler, the videos would be very short indeed. You can't please everyone!
@@lunarkomet But... the bosses, biomes, and DLCs are quite literally the MAIN DIFFERENCES between the two games. You can't really talk about the games unless they're mentioned.
I've been playing on the Switch since I knew about the game,and I always wish to play with mods..but to me,its really fine,just playing with what the game already have,it's just added benefits,I think..I cant muster the strength to buy Hamlet and/or DST,but this video really got me thinking tho.. Thanks so so much for another solid and informative video,Sal..its like, you're reading our minds.. ❤️❤️
I play the Don't starve pocket edition because I Don't have a pc , I kinda like Don't starve pocket edition because is like playing Don't starve together for me , even if there's no multiplayer
If anyone is planning to get DST on steam, wants mods that add shipwrecked and hamlet content, and has a decent pc I recommend getting a mod called "tropical expericence". While it can be laggy, it adds both dlcs' contents and a little more additional stuff. If you want even more you could also add "creeps of the deeps", which gets addition content from the other mod.
Yeah, we played around with the Tropical Experience on my dedicated server for a while. I was busy doing other stuff at the time, but it does highlight the fact that mods really are a total game-changer. Literally!!
@@salendrak You should consider Island Adventures. Developed by Zarklord who later became a klei dev and a couple other notoriously skilled modders, it is the most bug-free and 'perfect' DST SW experience you'll get. They even have a functional seaworthy that links 4-shard servers which I don't believe TE has. Currently, Hamlet is also being developed.
Awesome video! I highly recommend getting both games if you’re new. Don’t starve is an amazing single player game! And if you like playing with friends(or not) Don’t starve together is also great and has unique content. There is one correction I’d like to add though: Don’t Starve(Singe player) is play anywhere if you buy it from Xbox/Microsoft. Meaning you can play on PC(with mods) or on your Xbox console(no mods). Not sure about Sony though.
I got DST last year because my interest was peaked by the Terraria crossover update. Obviously me and my friends were terrible at it to start and ended up dropping it after a few games. I’m not usually one to give up on a cool game eventually so I came back and was really fascinated by how complex and deep everything in the game was and was determined to get better at it. Eventually I heard about don’t starve single player and retroactively bought the ultra pack (at a discounted price because I already had DST). I heard that the dlcs have a pretty linear difficulty progression with vanilla DS/pre ROG being the easiest so I’ve started there. I really love all the differences between versions like how farming is different and more complex in DST and how all the characters are preserved in their original states in classic DS. All these small differences add even more replay-ability imo which is great! After way more hours than I’m willing to admit I’m finally getting a little bit better at surviving and the DS series is quickly becoming one of my favourite games series even though I know I’ve only seen probably less than 5% of what is has to offer, which makes me so excited to keep going!
The more time passes, the better DST becomes, while DS is considered complete and won't have any expansions. There's really no reason to go for DS unless you have already played thousands of hours of DST, at that point you may want to see something new like the expansions DS has. I don't suggest DS to any of my friends even if they are more of a solo player, there's really no reason to go for DS as it hasn't received any updates since hamlet and that expansion was kind of left in a partially buggy state. Everyone has a decent PC now and playing DST there isn't that much of a difference in response time if you host your own server.
The way I see it, it's kind of like going into an ice cream shop and picking a flavor. Do you go with the current new flavor of the month that has a fun mix of ingredients and is updated every month, or do you just want a tried and true rich and creamy vanilla? Both are good choices, but to say that you should never get vanilla because there are other flavors is a bit silly!
@@salendrak While that is true, DS will not get any more updates since klei decided not to work on hamlet. They decided to put full focus on DST and DS will keep getting outdated by DST like all the character refreshes that made all the characters much more fun. If DS was getting updated, i would have a reason to suggest it to my friends that have never played DS/DST, currently DST is just superior and it isn't just about the money, there's just too much content you are missing out on if you play DS. All DS/DST fans that have thousands of hours like me should play both DS and DST but for anyone new it isn't a good idea to get into DS first as there exist mods that make the game more accessible for solo play with new players like boss health scaling that mitigates most of the issues a new player would have.
so happy i didn't need to worry about this since i got don't starve on switch while it was discounted as well as getting the discount for owning the game (the original don't starve on switch) when dst came out on switch a while ago, i swear don't starve goes on discount so much it should be criminal
Thanks for the comparison, I was considering getting into Don’t Starve, I’ve always liked the art style but survival games have never been my jam except for recently Subnautica has made survival games grow on me and I was debating which of these I’d rather try first, I don’t know anyone that plays DST so since I expect to play solo I wondered if id rather but the single player
Another consideration for people playing on steam is that there's already a very faithful SW port to DST (Island adventures), bugs and performance issues of which have already been dealt with. Smooth-running four-shard servers interconnected by a seaworthy are available, and it is compatible with mods like UM. Next up on the to-do list is an equally high-quality hamlet port. DS is more appealing for Hamlet and RoG ruins(wholly different experience, believe me on that). There's also tropical adventures; but unfortunately, that one doesn't have a very good reputation for reasons... (poor performance, incompatibility with updates(maxwell can't get fixed at all), interiors are pngs.)
Interesting! I've tried the Tropical Adventures a little bit, and it was pretty buggy, and I wasn't aware of the Island Adventures one. Might have to give it a go!
this guy is still replying to even the most recent comments ? :0 thats dedication! im thinking of buying the bundle on steam since its on sale rn! hopefully ill enjoy it with my brother and while also playing on my own 👍
I bought every version and I prefer DST because they update it all the time and it's always challenging (I don't prefer mods because of bugs). Don't starve vanilla and Shipwrecked are really nostalgic because I bought them 6 years ago, and Hamlet is really cool because you can build houses and it has coins (oincs). I also tried pocket edition and it's pretty bad... Also, if you can, buy them for the best experience (don't starve games have the best music ever :D ).
Buy both. They always go on sale, always. Sam's for the shipwrecked and hamlet dlc. The survivor single player doesn't have as many mechanics as the multi-player, but it's a unique harsher experience. Plus hamlet has not been incorporated into the multi-player game yet. It's by far the best dlc of don't starve so far. So yeah, pick both of them up, especially when a sale is around
Do most console players tend to pay for that anyways? I have no idea, as the only console I have is the switch, but then we do pay for the online thing. I think...
Personally, DST seems better, as Hamlet and Shiprecked are both part of a DST mod called Tropical Experience, along with that, Reign of Giants is free in DST. Mod's let you experience all of DS with more.
I'm definitely biased against DST due to its balance changes, some of which don't really make a lot of sense even considering multiplayer, as well as performance issues. But the prevalence of cosmetics puts me off the most as I just generally find such monetization to be predatory and user hostile even if it is "optional" and i don't personally need to engage with it, it doesn't stop it from ruining my experience when I open the game and get smacked in the face with login drops and ads for skins on sale. The fact that there are whole playable characters locked behind the same mtx scheme really sours it for me and I hold the glacial pace of "earning" the characters rather than paying for them as just more of a downside than a plus as again its a predatory way of encouraging paying rather than waiting. If you want to play with friends you really don't have an option but I would honestly recommend Raft over DST if you want a multiplayer survival game. For just enjoying the loop of a survival game without worrying about playing with friends then Don't Starve+Reign of Giants is the definitive experience, Shipwrecked and Hamlet are entirely optional and as mentioned in the video offer totally different experiences from the base game. It's worth noting that Shipwrecked was also an outsourced job and not inhouse Klei. I would argue to avoid shipwrecked as it was somewhat stunted in its development as it was initially going to be standalone like DST is, but the outcry from the community pushed them to integrate it into the base game which ate up a bunch of dev time and the features they focused on for Shipwrecked likely suffered as a result, and many of the gameplay loops of Shipwrecked feel unfinished or not well thought out, poison for example feels very poorly designed and will likely hit you frequently in the early game. I have no opinion in regards to Hamlet as I have not played it myself.
What?! Shipwrecked is great!! I've never really had much of a problem with poison personally. Usually the only times I get poisoned is when I wasn't being careful, but getting cured is pretty easy, and even the effects of the poison are pretty manageable so long as it isn't in the first day or two. As for Cosmetics, I totally get what you're saying! DST isn't nearly as bad as many other games these days, but overall that is still a practice that I don't particularly care for in modern games. I rather miss the days when you would buy a game, and have all that the game has to offer just from the purchase. My how times have changed!
I'm not fond of SW, it feels very empty and hard to get things done, food is difficult to come by as are alot of other resources. poison can be handled easy if you can get to the one spot in a big empty map to find the item to craft the antivenom. The problem isn't so much finding that its avoid poison, randomly getting a snake dropping out of a tree, wandering onto an island that has poison gas geysers, and then you're stuck with an oppressive and performance destroying vignette till you get it sorted, and it likely will kill you if you don't have the cure ready or enough healing foods to survive long enough. Ocean combat is tedious and difficult, trying to use the canon is an expensive and unreliable option. And there's essentially no way to get the world to work for you, one of the brilliant parts of don't starve is recruiting pigmen to chop down forests, or getting hounds to throw themselves at a herd of angry beefalo. There's boars in shipwrecked but they're stuck to whatever island they spawned on, i can't really think of too many other ways you can leverage the world to your favour in the SW space.
@Salendrak a while ago you had mentioned to me to give the game a try since I had seen your guides so many times even do at that time I never even bought it. But your structure and explanations were so interesting that I kept revisiting them kinda like a podcast. Well long story short I finally got around it and started playing the game it's been 2 days but it's been very fun. Can't tell you how excited I was after I beat my first tree guard. But your tips and guides allowed me on my first attempt till day 14 till lag and hounds got me. But alass sorry for the long message but Ima revisit all your videos again to find tune my gameplay and to get ready for winter. Thank you have a great day.
I must say DST has a very fair skin system! Been playing here and there, and I got a lot of red skins for free! And even if you want to buy, its not too expensive too
So basically, Don't starve + Dlcs for single player action - story base driven. Don't Starve together is for more variety and all in one package, there's story, but it's a lot less intuitive.
fun fact the name "Don't starve together" is actually not together is it meant for "to get her" now one of the questions are who is her? the said her is a woman called charlie who was pulled into the constant with Maxwell she became the queen of darkness while Maxwell was the king of the constant later on you play Don't starve you put the key killing Maxwell and you becoming taken by the shadows and after 3 days in the chair a woman who is charlie frees you just to grab you and electrocute you then send you back to the constant. so thats why it called dont starve TOgetHER
I'm not sure if that is cannon though, or just something the community has decided to run with. But yeah - that's something I've frequently seen on reddit and elsewhere.
@@salendrak ahaha, I mean for example the lore, some character info videos, the background of the game, or theories.. Things like that maybe? I mean I feel like since this games fan base is preeeeetty small videos could be based on anything and it'd be watched LOL
TBH I would just buy both. They are super cheap, like $25 for both of them and constantly go on sale for even cheaper. Both have their own perks, such as don't starve having maxwell's door and DST having new mechanics such as tallbirds having the ability to make new nests.
11"37 I like the modification of my go-to Crockpot setup. I've always gone for the 1 Carpeted Flooring Turf + 4 Crockpots (one in each corner) + Icebox in the middle set up. It's quick and easy to set up. I don't often see it with double Iceboxes, let alone diagonally like that, but I like it. Oh right, uh. Aside from that. Good video. A nice surprise.
Thanks!! I like to have variety for my in-game diet, so a single ice box is never enough for all the ingredients I like to stockpile. ps - think this will help decrease the amount of repeat questions on the reddit? My guess is probably not, but can't say I didn't try! 😆
@@salendrak I personally would've gone into more detail, emphasizing how many years DS and DST have been doing their own thing... The timeline graphic was nice and helped, but having that piece of info verbally said front and center would really help. (Listing literally every difference is a nightmare, and not realistic. Even back when the original list was made back in... 2017? Was shallow despite being worked on for over four? hours? (I tried finding it again, but had no luck. I think Sudura back in the day made it before being banned off the Subreddit? That or it was on a Sudura thread.) Treating the video as a buyer's guide, I'd give it an 8.5/10 (I'd give it a 9 if you mentioned positive DS exclusive bugs like Fire Farms, and the Pinecone Bug.) Treating the video as a "what are the differences between X and Y" I'd give it a 4/10 (Since well, detail was sparse to save time, and hell, we both know listing everything is unrealistic. Granted that'd be an instant 10/10.) Either way, good video. It won't prevent questions, but it'll answer them quickly at least.
@@K-C-D-A Yeah, it really was intended as a surface-level overview for prospective buyers, so listing all the differences between the games not only would have made the video ridiculously long, but probably would have just confused the viewers that are the target audience. I generally find that making videos like this is an exercise in the art of triage - having to decide what to keep, and what to cut. And as I have a tendency to get pretty long-winded when I start writing something, I generally end up cutting a lot of the stuff that I originally thought I might want to include.
I can add that Vanilla Dont starve + ROG also work well on computers regardless of how optimized they are for gaming. My 5 year old student brick PC could play it!
in a short way for me to explain wich to get: if you are looking for a casual game you play here and there get the singleplayer version. if you want to play a game for more than 100 hours get DST.
To stop the lagginess especially in Offline Mode in DST, you currently have the option to turn off Lag Prediction, which was the whole reason it existed.
I actually forgot to mention that in the video, but yes, all DST players should turn off the predictive lag setting. However, I don't think it makes any difference if you are in offline mode. There still is that slight input delay when I have tried it.
@@salendrak i prefer to have lag compensation set to predictive, sure you won't double hit shadows or kite that well but at least it's more responsive, when i turn it off theres very big delay and i cant gtet used to it, even after 700 hours.
Oh. I see. input delay is not just mine. I thought my laptop is just garbage
@@salendrak lag,input delay will always will be in DST as long as game hosted on servers (including your own solo world)
@@poligrant5152 What? I double hit shadow many times with lag compensation set to predictive
Great video but you forgot to add that Don't Starve Together (at least on steam) comes with an extra copy as a gift. That adds a lot of extra value to DST specially when it's on sale.
Yeah, I was going to slip that in there, but was having trouble finding any documented evidence that it's still active, and then forgot to double check. Oh well!!
you can just buy the solo copy for 1/2 the price if u dont want the 2 pack
Ya my friends and I have been using the extra copy to slowly get everyone in the friend group to play. 2 people get the same on sale and that's 4 copies.
@@salendrak it's still active, as I just bought the bundle which gave me the gift copy
I really wish this was on Switch, but Nintendo gon' be Nintendo
If you’re lagging in dst while playing solo, consider using the “dont starve alone” server mod found in the workshop. Completely removes lag as long as it’s a singleplayer world.
Interesting! I've never heard of that, but might need to try it out!
Is it on console? And is it free?
@@kehtonhultquist5075 Sorry but you cant get mods on console, only on the pc steam version.
@@kehtonhultquist5075it’s on console, not for free. You can get mods if you have a steam deck which is basically a handheld pc not really a “console”. And on steam deck you CAN get mods.
bro didn't watch the video 💀
One of my favourite experience with this series is that even after a LOT of hours in DST and beating all bosses in that game with a friend
Once I got to Shipwrecked and Hamlet, I was back to being a total noob, feeling extremely lost and confused, having to learn the way of the game all over again
Yeah, that's why I intentionally never learned anything about Hamlet until I did a big live-stream event where I played it completely blind. Was tons of fun!!
I’ve played this game off and on for a long time and I’ve yet to beat a single boss I just bought dst and accidentally unleashed an eyeball monster and someone in the game with me just said “run”.
I was able to beat every boss in shipwrecked and ROG, but when it comes to hamlet I feel very much like a noob. Can't even get past the first few seasons. Deffinitly make it fill like A whole new game, and definitly worth getting
Still, Hamlet makes more sense to play blind due to the whole exploring treasures/dungeons/Islands shebang
I went from vanilla DS to DST and the hardest part was learning how different they were, even though they looked superficially the same.
I didn’t mean to spend twenty minutes watching your video, but it was edited for maximum helpfulness, and I really appreciated it.
Mission accomplished! 😁
Minor footnote: the Switch Version is the least updated version of DST, on launch on Switch it only had every update until the Webber Character Refresh (which was the first version of DST Switch), then came everything up to the WX refresh like Klei said, but Wolfgang's Mighty Gym is bugged, and finally we got the "A Little Drama" update, while the Maxwell Rework is on every other version
My guess is that pretty soon it will be fully up to date, and will hopefully keep pace with the Steam versions in the future. That said, it definitely does have some performance issues and single-player bugs, so probably not the best choice if you have any other options.
The update is on switch now
Update for switch. To my knowledge its fully up to date. Been loving playing reworked woodie. It still has active server, although none of the servers I find seem to be running anywhere nearby, so you get pretty hard lag if you aren't hosting. IDK if I'm an idiot. But I swear it never got chat. Why? Why can't people on switch use the chat, keep in mind. Online multiplayer games do have a working chat on Switch. Or at least a few do.
thank you for the well organized and detailed overview. i've collected all the games/dlcs over the years, but have always been confused over which version i ought to be playing, especially since i prefer to play alone, and for the longest time i thought i was impossible to play DST solo.
Well, if you haven't dived into DST yet, maybe now is the time!
This is such a comprehensive guide and I think it will help a lot of people!
That was the goal!!
A good thing about DST is, if u buy it on steam, u always get a extra copy of the game so u can gift to a friend. That makes DST kind of 7,50EUR/$ per Person if u plan on playing with friends anyways. Very educational video :D
Yup - definitely a great deal!!
I don't find it 😢
Then the micro transactions come in
@@chauncey5962 you don't need skins to play dst
@@acomment8333you mean main characters?
For anyone who is new when watching this video, just to let you know, don’t starve is SO WORTH IT. If your new, I HIGHLY recommend the vanilla and then RoG (Reign of Giants) for the first. It will be difficult but if your struggling, watch sale drakes guides as they are really helpful and gives good advice and info. This game will take hours out of your day (I have a day 340 world and if you do the math, that’s 45.33 hours and that world aside, I probably spent over 100 hours on Dont starve, IT IS SO WORTH IT
Btw that world was on a pocket edition and in the video salendrak said that it’s buggy. AMEN. I lost my 340 worlds BC of a beefalo……don’t ask questions……
It crashed and corrupted my save file
I agree. I struggled with DST but went back and started playing on vanilla and and it’s much more of a beginner experience. I’m so excited to get good enough to play the other versions
And what's really great is that these are the sorts of games that will definitely stand the test of time and be fun for years and years into the future!!
I just bought don’t starve and I played it for 200hours
Honestly, with how good the development team has been with this game and the game being as good as it is and the passion, the team puts into the work they do I would just fall on say by both I’d say they well earned their dollars which is something I would not say about most video game industries in this day and age
I couldn't agree more!
Exceptional quality content and video for such a small channel. Well done mate!
I have played both games and had this question many years ago, but without this video I just bought both, lol!
Honestly, buying both really is the best way to go!
I don't really play any game beside a casual mobile game, but when I saw volx(?) dont starve gameplay, I decide to give it a try in 2015, and that was when I fell in love with the game. they have everything I wanted in a game: survival, sandbox, and really unique! also, I really like the game design, they're cute but has a horror touch on them, and that is amazing! I must say I'm not really good at boss fighting and spend most of my time to build a mega base, but that is why I love dont starve, you can just leave alone the bosses and fighting them later whenever you're ready. not to mention the dst content is top tier with their story line, the short animated videos, everything is *chefs kiss.
Yeah - I love the fact that overall the graphics and style of the game is pretty simple, yet SOOOOO perfect for the game. And goes to show that solid game mechanics are way more important for making a good game compared to flashy graphics!
I always wanted one of the games because I like terraria but I never knew which one to buy, great video!
If you can get them on sale, buy them all!!
was thinking of what version to buy, but your video made it a easy decision. As there is an steam summer sale going on I can get the Mega bundle under $10. So, I bought it. Thanks for the great video
That's the best deal for sure!!
Bro wake up salendrak uploaded
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@@salendrak just finished watching the video. Great summary, however you forgot to mention the free copy of dst when you buy it. This gives it a ton of value if like you want to play with your best friend, family or ever fiancé.
@@verestoyjanos5013 I was going to put that in there, but was having trouble finding any reference to it on steam, and was worried they removed it or might remove it in the future.
@@salendrak, it's still a thing
I am a proud PE player.
When I boot this bad boy up with my bluetooth controller and headset, I get one of the best experiences I could ask for.
You (and maybe a few others) really under-appreciate the power of mobility.
I think we all agree that DS is an amazing game and I as a highschool senior (10th grade-ish here in germany) I wouldn't know what to do in both of my daily 25 min. Breaks without DS.
Its even better for long travels, as my family and I often drive to other countries ... being trapped in a car for 5+ hours is SO MUCH less miserable with DS.
I love the PE version.
I call it "the best 4.50€ I ever spent."
Oh for sure! Compared to other mobile games it really is quite the bargain, and able to provide TONS of hours of entertainment. It really only pales in comparison to the other versions of Don't Starve, but compared to other options for good mobile games, it's great!
Another big thing to note when chosing, if you buy DST, it comes with a second game copy that you can gift to a friend so you technically get 2 copies of DST for $15 (w/o a sale)
Making it even a better deal, for sure!!
This guide is fantastic, well laid out.
As someone who has all versions on steam, Xbox, and a few of them on switch and PS4, I want to add 2 things -
If you are console ONLY, console versions of the single player games have some glitches that were patched on PC years ago, but the console ports weren’t fixed for (there’s a seasonal glitch that happens with caves). It’s a huge pain late game but you can still get 100s of hours without having the problems. But, for console, DST doesn’t have those glitches, so I’d suggest DST if you’re going console only.
The lag in DST he mentions IS a thing but you wouldn’t even realize it’s there most of the time unless you played solo for a while and switched. It’s more like input delay, just the tiniest bit always there, but he is right, the solo games are just a smoother experience. But the seasonal events in dst are great and the developers constant updates are great too.
Fantastic video recap
Excellent points - and thank you for adding the perspective regarding consoles! I've honestly never played any of the console versions, so it's great to see the view of someone who prefers them.
From my experience DST on the nintendo switch is way more laggy and unstable than solo. However, as you said they are no annoying game breaking bugs in DST(the season glitch is such a pain).
@@felixcharbonneau9282 I’m really surprised they managed a switch port at all with the hardware limitations, I don’t have it on switch but, with good internet it runs quite well on the PS4 and Xbox
But I agree on that one specifically, DS on switch would be a better experience
@@drunkcpa1639 solo dont starve on the switch runs just fine. Didn't notice that much lag in like 500h of playing it
@@felixcharbonneau9282 yea I have solo on switch and it was great until you realize volcano dry season can become infinite since it reset every time I appeased the volcano. After 45 days of eruptions every 3 days I gave up. Great on steam deck now, but that’s just a mobile pc really.
I played dst as my first one, and after 2k+ hrs in ds overall, I can comfortably say that I couldnt pick a better one, dst is still my favorite ds, simply because its definitely the one with most content, and its kind of a mix of all ds dlcs, so when I started playing them, I quickly got hang of them, cus I already knew the base mechanics of them from dst (altought they still were pretty different)
Yeah, even if you were to decide that one or the other is "better", they're all still fantastic games!
Love your videos! Especially the reign of giants guide, I saw many guide but its always on Dst, made me a little bit confused of their difference, made me happy that I found a guide about Rog
Yeah, most people focus on DST since it is in active development. I personally always felt like single-player never got the high-quality guides it deserves, hence my reason for making them!!
@@salendrak You're a legend for that, btw. You showed me so many little neat tricks I never thought of. I love rewatching these when the mood strikes.
basically I would say in almost every situation dst is the best. really the only exceptions are if you are on console and want to play by yourself, or if you just really want to play hamlet, especially since there is a mod now on dst that just adds shipwrecked along with the other thousands of mods that are amazing. even mods that add extra interesting game modes like the forge and gorge that were limited time but have been fully remade by the community and can be played at any time.
Mods really are a game-changer in games these days!!
Controller was a great experience overall coming back to the game many years later, but there are minor issues with specific characters. Some can be fixed thanks to small mods though.
For example Wendy can attack her ghostly sister and despawn her because there is no "force attack command" that prevents you from doing so (losing 50 sanity and a few days in the process) but a simple underrated workshop mod prevents it. (modding in the workshop is easy, just a few clicks really)
On the other hand, Willow's lighter's command to light things on fire is the same as the one to start cooking things on the crockpot.It is easy to destroy it and lose ressources, food and time this way. I haven't found a solution to this one and i always end up doing it again at some point. (a simple torch also does this but you don't just walk around with one since it consumes itself).
Interesting! I'm a straight-up keyboard and mouse gamer, so I had no idea controllers had those issues!
I've only ever played pocket edition and wanted to experience the best this game has to offer, but all the options had me overwhelmed. Thanks for making this video simplifying everything, it helped a lot!
Awesome! Good news is that whether you go from pocket to single player OR to DST, you'll have a much better and more full experience!
I really love this game and never seem to get sick of it (coming back to it again and again). I am very casual and not a strong player but enjoy it anyways. I play on the Switch in handheld mostly while watching tv in the evening. I envy the hot keys and shortcuts available for keyboard users, but I definitely play more with it being on the Switch. I have never actually tried the ROG mode - just alternate between DS and SW. And I had no clue about what DST was all about… great video! Thanks!
Yeah, I don't play Don't Starve exclusively, as I like to have variety in my gaming free time. But I do keep coming back to it periodically, and always have a great time! You should definitely try out Reign of Giants though - it really fleshes out the original game in a lot of great ways!
Easy solution:
Do you have friends?
No?
Didn't think so, so get a single player game.
You do have friends?
Are you sure?
Ok... get Don't Starve Together then.
...
You're 100% sure?
Ok, just checking...
Lol
amazing detailed video I've been a fan of don't starve since the beta and i absolutely love all of it's different versions they are all fun and enjoyable
I totally agree!!
I have 400 hours in Don't Starve, loved the adventure mode especially, and the Shipwrecked DLC really clicked with me. Sure the endgame isn't quite as extensive as Reign of Giants or especially DST, but something about navigating the seas with relative ease (at least compared to DST) really did it for me and I sunk so much time into it. I still might get back into it and do playthroughs with more challenging characters. If all you know is DST then I can't vouch for the single player experience enough, especially Shipwrecked and Hamlet if you want that completely new experience.
Have you done a tri-linked world with RoG, SW, and Hamlet all together? Makes for a TON of end-game opportunities!!
Nice to watch, although I already have both ^^ Can't wait for your next Don't starve content, if you intend to do more!
Yup! Next up on the Don't Starve is a guide to Adventure Mode. Not sure when I'll get around to it, but after that I plan to move on the Shipwrecked.
Love the tiny snippets from the old dedi server. Warms my heart seeing us singing and feasting. 😌
Yup! I also tried to throw in some memorable moments from various of my streams and other videos. Was kind of fun to stroll back through memory lane!
me who has all versions of the game and has played for years. Still watches the buyers guide tho XD Great video
I love it!! I'll take any views I can get! 😆
if there is a factor left unmentioned, it is couch co-op. As the internet rises, couch co-op is becoming a rarer feature, yet for the T in DST, it would go a long way to have couch co-op for pricing consideration, even if it was the singular advantage of console over the modding potential of PC. Probably not that hard to find on my own, but it is a key factor to consider for those who still enjoy playing with siblings, dorm-mates, party guests, etc., especially since vocal communication will always be more engaging without being a distraction compared to text.
Are you going to try to purify it fully? I've never bothered lol
@@salendrak Not really what i was asking, but that does make the terraria comparison stronger if there is an evil to purify out of the world. XD
Nah, i was more referring to split screen multiplayer. It is much easier to convince people to buy a game if they can share the experience with others locally WITHOUT asking them to buy in themselves, and the environment of talking with someone in the same room about a game is vastly different than reading a text log when in a safe enough spot to interact with it.
If continuing with a terraria comparison, one way to make a new player is to have a veteran in a world alongside a noob, explaining the basics without telling them to take a deep dive on a wiki. As the veteran prepares the noob and themselves for progression, the noob can wander around doing whatever they please while learning the controls, and the veteran can glance over to their side of the screen and try to break bad habits before they stick. Once the noob gets hooked, they are much more likely to buy it for themselves, and it is much easier to get a noob hooked if they dont need to make that initial buying investment. The flip side is if someone anticipates enjoying the game enough to become the veteran for someone else (like a younger brother or some other person they live with), the money investment becomes time-based potential instead. Couch co-op/split screen is a very niche factor, but for those who benefit, it is a very appealing one that can make a difference between purchases. Heck, for some, they buy a game exclusively because they can share it with those in their house and it satisfies a very specific itch for co-op or rivalry based game play.
Oh, wait - I somehow put a response to a different comment on your...not sure how I did that....
But yeah, couch co-op on consoles is definitely a big factor to consider that I totally forgot to mention. I probably would have gotten DST on the Switch (the only console I own) if it had 4-player so I could play with the whole family. Maybe if we end up getting a second switch at some point I will!!
As you said on the video, there are items and resources that don't exist on DST. For example, on Shipwrecked there's Tar and Bioluminescence. Tar is the best fuel in the game, because it has the burning power of Boards, stacks up to 40 and you can collect in big numbers if you don't fear the Quacken. And Bioluminescence can fuel Lanterns and similar items the amount as Fireflies, but it's even more abundant, while also being cheaper to collect because while Fireflies require Ripe and Silk, Bioluminescence requires Rope and Bamboo, and Bamboo is easier to obtain than Silk. There's also the Cutlass Supreme on SW, which deals the same damage as a Dark Sword but does not drain Sanity. There's also Obsidian, which can be used to craft more efficient tools plus weapons and armor that can be taken to RoG to better fight the Dragonfly.
And that's not even getting started with the options that come with Hamlet!
Island adventures mode and you're good to go
Maybe I skipped the part but my biggest questions are still unanswered:
1. Is there cross play?
2. Does DST have split screen?
3. Do you need to buy DST twice to play with more people?
4. Does this game look more like Minecraft or Civilisation where you play 40 minute games and restart?
1 - No.
2 - On the switch is has 2-player split screen. I don't think other platforms have split screen, but don't know for sure.
3 - On switch no (see 2 above). Also on Steam no, because you get an extra key for free when you buy DST. Not sure about other platforms.
4 - More like Minecraft, but only after you're good at the game. Before that, you'll likely get to a state where you will want to start over, as recovering from dying a lot of times can be extremely punishing. This will depend on your world settings though. But compared to something like Civ, there is no "end" to a game in DST. The sandbox goes on for as long as you want to keep on going on.
What a well put together buyers guide. gonna sub and like.
Thanks!!
Just because I didn’t know, you can do solo servers on DST OR host / join public servers too. So you could do multiplayer even if you don’t have friends playing, plus Steam comes with two copies!
It's great to have lots of options!!
I didn't even know this game existed back then, one of my friends gifted me dont starve together, we played it with like 5 people and it was a lot of fun! 2 of them quit after about a day because they lost interest in the game, but us 3 reached day 100 for the first time after months of constant dying and creating new worlds.
Sadly, it was a few years ago we all quit so they wouldn't even remember this game but, i gained back a lot of interest for this game the past months and discovered i've done almost nothing in the past playthroughs. So recently, i have slayed almost every boss, played almost every character and actually learnt how to play them instead of mindlessly running around, did more boss speedruns etc. Now i take it slow, have about 600 days in 1 world and 800+ hours overall...
So yeah... I'd definitely say Don't Starve Together is a clean choice, also not only does steam mods have insane QoL changes, theres also the "Uncomprimising Mode" mod which, literally offers much more quality, challenging content than a dlc.
Theres also a lot of custom characters, weapons, enemies, bosses and so on.
Another reason i would easily recommend DST is, the characters. They're so different from what they're in other games, so uniquely reworked and have much more replayability value.
(!!One Last Thing!! i don't know if its illegal or something lmao but theres literally the shipwrecked version of dont starve in steam mods... so yeah...)
The Don't Starve games are definitely the type of game that seems simple on the surface, but once you get into them, they have a TON of depth that a lot of new players have no idea exists! And yes - mods are total gamechangers!!
I have all the Don't starves, and while i overall have more hours in Don't starve together, i find the singleplayer version more enjoyable, mainly because of the DLCs. I can remember all the times i messed up and died in singleplayer, (such as when i gambled too much and forgot to bring a light source), and while don't starve together is still really good (such as when the celestial champion murdered me so many times that i tore a tear in time itself and duplicated an insulated pack while trying to rollback) i prefer singleplayer Don't starve by just a tiny smidge
Yeah - if you look at places like reddit you always see a TON of groupthink people saying "DST get Updates" "DST has moar stuff" "DST better", and while yes DST is a great game, single player is also great, but in different ways. Sometimes it's just nice to play a game that is complete and not constantly getting added to!
This man helped me on terraria pre hardmode and I defeated moon lord recently, and now he's gonna help me on dont starve
Awesome!!
fantastic explanation, this video should be in every platform where don't starve is available.
For any newbie still afraid of getting into the franchise think first if you want something similar to a sandbox or a roguelike, being dst the sandbox and ds vanilla the the roguelike, while both are technically the same game they can offer very different experiences. both still worth every penny to this day
Ooooh that's an interesting way of looking at it. I like it!
1:00 Thats hurt i'm playing pocket edition
Lol I feel bad for you
Hey - if that's what you have access to, then go with it! As compared to other mobile games it's really good. It just pales in comparison to all other version of Don't Starve.
Me, who play DS since 2013: oh, interesting, let's see...
Great work btw! See ya on the stream!
Sounds good!!
Dude I wish the Iron Hulk was in Dst, it is such a cool boss with so many amazing attacks
Yeah, those Hamlet fights are a lot of fun!!
and I wish DST "boats" were in DS. They would work very nicely for ocean base in Shipwrecked, but sailing is with out a doubt a lot more faster and pleasant on Shipwrecked ships
@@1God1Fury Not to mention you have plenty of ocean-placed structures in Shipwrecked that aren't in DST! Overall though, I rather enjoy the differences that are in each version 😉
Awesome vid. So thorough, well spoken and analytical. Thank you, honestly.
Thanks!!
I chose DST for the sole purpose of the crossover with Terraria
It's got some fun stuff for sure!!
16:43 there are some mods which can change a few things so game is less "laggy" (don't starve alone is one of those) and you can even get mods that cut in half all monsters hp and can change some stuff so it is easier/better for solo playthrough. So I personally suggest buying DST and after few hours in this version decide if solo is good to buy.(i have more than 300 hours and never played in multiplayer or even past day ~45 without rolling back but still had fun)
Yup - with mods you can do just about anything to customize the game to how you like it!
Honestly, I have no intention on playing DST anytime soon (No friends to play it with, and there's NO way I'm playing that one by myself. XD), but I recently picked DS 1 back up, and I gotta say, I'm having a decent amount of fun with it. Honestly, just changing some of the world settings makes it feel like a totally different game (I wouldn't recommend "Houndpocalypse" if you're a new player, though. Just trust me. XD).
Yes, it's hard. Yes, you'll probably not last the first week in your initial runs. Don't feel embarrassed about it, though. That's part of the experience, and almost every player's been there. XD
But you'll learn, and do better next time. (Or you can look at guides and wiki's ahead of time if you're not here for the "experience".)
But yeah, good game. You'll def get your money's worth out of it.
Yeah - for me learning the game was full of all sorts of frustrations, but that only fueled my desire to try again and do better, learn more, try again, do better, learn more, etc, etc. And yes - single player is a FANTASTIC game!! No need to jump into DST now or ever really. You'll have plenty of fun with the original, especially if you branch out into its expansions!
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I didn't expect a guide on what game to buy to have this many spoilers of content like bosses, biomes, or how to unlock characters.
In my years of making videos about games, I've found that the vast majority of viewers appreciate the level of detail I go into, and only a very small minority are bothered or annoyed by whatever I include that they feel is a spoiler. If I were to exclude all the info that someone somewhere at some point might feel is a spoiler, the videos would be very short indeed. You can't please everyone!
@@salendrak Completely understandable 👍
@@salendrakyou just needed to put a spoiler warning still image at the beginning to let people know about your mindset, not so hard huh?
@@lunarkomet But... the bosses, biomes, and DLCs are quite literally the MAIN DIFFERENCES between the two games. You can't really talk about the games unless they're mentioned.
Every experienced player will tell you: BUY EVERYTHING
Solid approach in my book!
The best thing I love about the switch is that you can take it anywhere with higher specs than a mobile phone
Yeah, definitely a superior mobile option compared to the phone version!
I've been playing on the Switch since I knew about the game,and I always wish to play with mods..but to me,its really fine,just playing with what the game already have,it's just added benefits,I think..I cant muster the strength to buy Hamlet and/or DST,but this video really got me thinking tho..
Thanks so so much for another solid and informative video,Sal..its like, you're reading our minds.. ❤️❤️
I would definitely give Hamlet a go if you're already playing the other single player DLCs. You'll feel like a noob all over again!
I play the Don't starve pocket edition because I Don't have a pc , I kinda like Don't starve pocket edition because is like playing Don't starve together for me , even if there's no multiplayer
As far as mobile games goes it's great! And if that's all you have access to, go for it!
Simple answer, both are gems and both deserve to be bought 😌
Winner!!
If anyone is planning to get DST on steam, wants mods that add shipwrecked and hamlet content, and has a decent pc I recommend getting a mod called "tropical expericence".
While it can be laggy, it adds both dlcs' contents and a little more additional stuff. If you want even more you could also add "creeps of the deeps", which gets addition content from the other mod.
Yeah, we played around with the Tropical Experience on my dedicated server for a while. I was busy doing other stuff at the time, but it does highlight the fact that mods really are a total game-changer. Literally!!
@@salendrak You should consider Island Adventures. Developed by Zarklord who later became a klei dev and a couple other notoriously skilled modders, it is the most bug-free and 'perfect' DST SW experience you'll get. They even have a functional seaworthy that links 4-shard servers which I don't believe TE has.
Currently, Hamlet is also being developed.
Awesome video! I highly recommend getting both games if you’re new. Don’t starve is an amazing single player game! And if you like playing with friends(or not) Don’t starve together is also great and has unique content.
There is one correction I’d like to add though: Don’t Starve(Singe player) is play anywhere if you buy it from Xbox/Microsoft. Meaning you can play on PC(with mods) or on your Xbox console(no mods). Not sure about Sony though.
Interesting!! I had no idea about that with XBox!
Both, both is good. Thanks for uploading all of your rog guides.
I totally agree!
Amazing video, thx, finally someone answered everything
I'll be getting DS+3dlc
An excellent choice!!
I’m so glad the dont starve community continues to grow on this amazing franchise.
Amen! 🙌
DST also gives you a free copy of the game to share /gift to a friend to help you not be alone.
Yup!!
I got DST last year because my interest was peaked by the Terraria crossover update. Obviously me and my friends were terrible at it to start and ended up dropping it after a few games. I’m not usually one to give up on a cool game eventually so I came back and was really fascinated by how complex and deep everything in the game was and was determined to get better at it.
Eventually I heard about don’t starve single player and retroactively bought the ultra pack (at a discounted price because I already had DST). I heard that the dlcs have a pretty linear difficulty progression with vanilla DS/pre ROG being the easiest so I’ve started there.
I really love all the differences between versions like how farming is different and more complex in DST and how all the characters are preserved in their original states in classic DS. All these small differences add even more replay-ability imo which is great!
After way more hours than I’m willing to admit I’m finally getting a little bit better at surviving and the DS series is quickly becoming one of my favourite games series even though I know I’ve only seen probably less than 5% of what is has to offer, which makes me so excited to keep going!
Yeah, between DS and its DLCs and DST there is no shortage of options for playing the game. And the replayability value is insane!!
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
Glad I could help!
The more time passes, the better DST becomes, while DS is considered complete and won't have any expansions. There's really no reason to go for DS unless you have already played thousands of hours of DST, at that point you may want to see something new like the expansions DS has.
I don't suggest DS to any of my friends even if they are more of a solo player, there's really no reason to go for DS as it hasn't received any updates since hamlet and that expansion was kind of left in a partially buggy state. Everyone has a decent PC now and playing DST there isn't that much of a difference in response time if you host your own server.
The way I see it, it's kind of like going into an ice cream shop and picking a flavor. Do you go with the current new flavor of the month that has a fun mix of ingredients and is updated every month, or do you just want a tried and true rich and creamy vanilla? Both are good choices, but to say that you should never get vanilla because there are other flavors is a bit silly!
@@salendrak While that is true, DS will not get any more updates since klei decided not to work on hamlet.
They decided to put full focus on DST and DS will keep getting outdated by DST like all the character refreshes that made all the characters much more fun.
If DS was getting updated, i would have a reason to suggest it to my friends that have never played DS/DST, currently DST is just superior and it isn't just about the money, there's just too much content you are missing out on if you play DS.
All DS/DST fans that have thousands of hours like me should play both DS and DST but for anyone new it isn't a good idea to get into DS first as there exist mods that make the game more accessible for solo play with new players like boss health scaling that mitigates most of the issues a new player would have.
so happy i didn't need to worry about this since i got don't starve on switch while it was discounted as well as getting the discount for owning the game (the original don't starve on switch) when dst came out on switch a while ago, i swear don't starve goes on discount so much it should be criminal
You're not wrong! I feel bad for anyone who buys it at full price!
@@salendrak yeah but even then these games have a surprising amount of replay value tipping my hat to klei for making a fun game
Thanks for the comparison, I was considering getting into Don’t Starve, I’ve always liked the art style but survival games have never been my jam except for recently Subnautica has made survival games grow on me and I was debating which of these I’d rather try first, I don’t know anyone that plays DST so since I expect to play solo I wondered if id rather but the single player
I still think getting a bundle pack is the best way to go. Then you have options!!
Another consideration for people playing on steam is that there's already a very faithful SW port to DST (Island adventures), bugs and performance issues of which have already been dealt with. Smooth-running four-shard servers interconnected by a seaworthy are available, and it is compatible with mods like UM.
Next up on the to-do list is an equally high-quality hamlet port.
DS is more appealing for Hamlet and RoG ruins(wholly different experience, believe me on that).
There's also tropical adventures; but unfortunately, that one doesn't have a very good reputation for reasons... (poor performance, incompatibility with updates(maxwell can't get fixed at all), interiors are pngs.)
Interesting! I've tried the Tropical Adventures a little bit, and it was pretty buggy, and I wasn't aware of the Island Adventures one. Might have to give it a go!
Shipwrecked is my all time fave 🥰
It's near and dear to my heart too!!
this guy is still replying to even the most recent comments ? :0 thats dedication! im thinking of buying the bundle on steam since its on sale rn! hopefully ill enjoy it with my brother and while also playing on my own 👍
Sounds like a good plan to me!
The part that pisses me off is that DST isnt cross platform. Makes literally zero sense.
Pretty common for lots of games though. Not sure if it's a licensing issue, or technological. But yeah...kind of sucks!
@@salendrak I know but it's kind of a let down when the games selling point is the together part and it isn't just an Multiplayer mode in a game.
So we have a cook, a peg legged pirate and a monkey king. Sounds familiar 🤔😂
Peter pan? Not sure what your reference is lol
i was one of the lucky ones who bought don't starve and got together for free.
Win win!!
Finally, another video!
Not a guide or playthrough, but should still be enjoyable!
Been playing DSPE for a while and can't even survive more than 12 days xd
What tends to get you killed?
@@salendrak Hordes of multiple hostile mobs as well as tallbirds and hounds but your guides really helped me a lot to make it into a week before dying
@Theblackhairedweirdo keep at it! So long as you're learning from each death, in time you'll get better and better!
Both are great, dst if you want your characters to have reworked abilities or single player to experience really cool worlds
I totally agree!
I bought every version and I prefer DST because they update it all the time and it's always challenging (I don't prefer mods because of bugs). Don't starve vanilla and Shipwrecked are really nostalgic because I bought them 6 years ago, and Hamlet is really cool because you can build houses and it has coins (oincs). I also tried pocket edition and it's pretty bad... Also, if you can, buy them for the best experience (don't starve games have the best music ever :D ).
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Buy both. They always go on sale, always. Sam's for the shipwrecked and hamlet dlc. The survivor single player doesn't have as many mechanics as the multi-player, but it's a unique harsher experience. Plus hamlet has not been incorporated into the multi-player game yet. It's by far the best dlc of don't starve so far. So yeah, pick both of them up, especially when a sale is around
Solid logic!!
i don't understand how singleplayer is harder
just buy everything like me
This is the way.
Remember hot mention that console version you have to pay for ps4 plus, so play on steam
Do most console players tend to pay for that anyways? I have no idea, as the only console I have is the switch, but then we do pay for the online thing. I think...
I love you don’t starve tutorial videos for original game
Thanks!!
Personally, DST seems better, as Hamlet and Shiprecked are both part of a DST mod called Tropical Experience, along with that, Reign of Giants is free in DST. Mod's let you experience all of DS with more.
Mods certainly let you get the flavor of those DLCs!
Something I wanna note is if you're completely new or haven't played in a while, jesus christ don't start with Hamlet. It is PURE SUFFERING.
I totally agree - it has a VERY rough early game, especially if you don't know what you're doing already. There's no easing into anything in Hamlet!
I'm definitely biased against DST due to its balance changes, some of which don't really make a lot of sense even considering multiplayer, as well as performance issues. But the prevalence of cosmetics puts me off the most as I just generally find such monetization to be predatory and user hostile even if it is "optional" and i don't personally need to engage with it, it doesn't stop it from ruining my experience when I open the game and get smacked in the face with login drops and ads for skins on sale. The fact that there are whole playable characters locked behind the same mtx scheme really sours it for me and I hold the glacial pace of "earning" the characters rather than paying for them as just more of a downside than a plus as again its a predatory way of encouraging paying rather than waiting.
If you want to play with friends you really don't have an option but I would honestly recommend Raft over DST if you want a multiplayer survival game. For just enjoying the loop of a survival game without worrying about playing with friends then Don't Starve+Reign of Giants is the definitive experience, Shipwrecked and Hamlet are entirely optional and as mentioned in the video offer totally different experiences from the base game.
It's worth noting that Shipwrecked was also an outsourced job and not inhouse Klei. I would argue to avoid shipwrecked as it was somewhat stunted in its development as it was initially going to be standalone like DST is, but the outcry from the community pushed them to integrate it into the base game which ate up a bunch of dev time and the features they focused on for Shipwrecked likely suffered as a result, and many of the gameplay loops of Shipwrecked feel unfinished or not well thought out, poison for example feels very poorly designed and will likely hit you frequently in the early game.
I have no opinion in regards to Hamlet as I have not played it myself.
What?! Shipwrecked is great!! I've never really had much of a problem with poison personally. Usually the only times I get poisoned is when I wasn't being careful, but getting cured is pretty easy, and even the effects of the poison are pretty manageable so long as it isn't in the first day or two.
As for Cosmetics, I totally get what you're saying! DST isn't nearly as bad as many other games these days, but overall that is still a practice that I don't particularly care for in modern games. I rather miss the days when you would buy a game, and have all that the game has to offer just from the purchase. My how times have changed!
I'm not fond of SW, it feels very empty and hard to get things done, food is difficult to come by as are alot of other resources.
poison can be handled easy if you can get to the one spot in a big empty map to find the item to craft the antivenom. The problem isn't so much finding that its avoid poison, randomly getting a snake dropping out of a tree, wandering onto an island that has poison gas geysers, and then you're stuck with an oppressive and performance destroying vignette till you get it sorted, and it likely will kill you if you don't have the cure ready or enough healing foods to survive long enough.
Ocean combat is tedious and difficult, trying to use the canon is an expensive and unreliable option.
And there's essentially no way to get the world to work for you, one of the brilliant parts of don't starve is recruiting pigmen to chop down forests, or getting hounds to throw themselves at a herd of angry beefalo. There's boars in shipwrecked but they're stuck to whatever island they spawned on, i can't really think of too many other ways you can leverage the world to your favour in the SW space.
So buy both and sell my soul for time, got it.
Pretty much!
@Salendrak a while ago you had mentioned to me to give the game a try since I had seen your guides so many times even do at that time I never even bought it. But your structure and explanations were so interesting that I kept revisiting them kinda like a podcast. Well long story short I finally got around it and started playing the game it's been 2 days but it's been very fun. Can't tell you how excited I was after I beat my first tree guard. But your tips and guides allowed me on my first attempt till day 14 till lag and hounds got me. But alass sorry for the long message but Ima revisit all your videos again to find tune my gameplay and to get ready for winter. Thank you have a great day.
There is no greater compliment to a RUclipsr than letting them know that their videos convinced you to try a game out!!
With the steam link app/device, you can get your fix just about anywhere with a decent internet connection
I really should try that at some point...
I must say DST has a very fair skin system! Been playing here and there, and I got a lot of red skins for free! And even if you want to buy, its not too expensive too
I totally agree! They've done monetization right!
So basically, Don't starve + Dlcs for single player action - story base driven.
Don't Starve together is for more variety and all in one package, there's story, but it's a lot less intuitive.
Actually, I would say that both games are pretty darn unintuitive, but other than that, pretty good summary!
Well, i wanna say a very big Thanks❤
Very good explaining and it helped me alot now I'm going to get the mega pack
Sounds like an excellent choice to me!
Dude I am lucky as all hell right now, the mega bundle with both games and all DLCs on steam was on sale for 13 bucks just as I went to check
Very nice!!
Thanks you so much, now I buying dont starve singleplayer, cause iam interested into the lore of this game
It's a super fun game!
fun fact the name "Don't starve together" is actually not together is it meant for "to get her" now one of the questions are who is her? the said her is a woman called charlie who was pulled into the constant with Maxwell she became the queen of darkness while Maxwell was the king of the constant later on you play Don't starve you put the key killing Maxwell and you becoming taken by the shadows and after 3 days in the chair a woman who is charlie frees you just to grab you and electrocute you then send you back to the constant. so thats why it called dont starve TOgetHER
I'm not sure if that is cannon though, or just something the community has decided to run with. But yeah - that's something I've frequently seen on reddit and elsewhere.
DST also has support for mouse 4 and mouse 5, while DS doesn't. Useful for moving the camera around
Interesting - I didn't know that!
tl;dr if you wanna try, just buy DST.
If you like it, and want expanded single player experience, buy Mega pack (wait for sale)
Also not a bad way to go!
Me who owns everything DS related still watching this.
I'm starving for don't starve essay content
Ooooh ooooh - what would the topic be?!
@@salendrak ahaha, I mean for example the lore, some character info videos, the background of the game, or theories.. Things like that maybe? I mean I feel like since this games fan base is preeeeetty small videos could be based on anything and it'd be watched LOL
I actually had this question 2 years ago, good guide
Thanks!!
TBH I would just buy both. They are super cheap, like $25 for both of them and constantly go on sale for even cheaper. Both have their own perks, such as don't starve having maxwell's door and DST having new mechanics such as tallbirds having the ability to make new nests.
That's what I always recommend!
dang , you break it down to the core of the earth , tq bro
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11"37 I like the modification of my go-to Crockpot setup. I've always gone for the 1 Carpeted Flooring Turf + 4 Crockpots (one in each corner) + Icebox in the middle set up. It's quick and easy to set up. I don't often see it with double Iceboxes, let alone diagonally like that, but I like it.
Oh right, uh. Aside from that. Good video. A nice surprise.
Thanks!! I like to have variety for my in-game diet, so a single ice box is never enough for all the ingredients I like to stockpile.
ps - think this will help decrease the amount of repeat questions on the reddit? My guess is probably not, but can't say I didn't try! 😆
@@salendrak I personally would've gone into more detail, emphasizing how many years DS and DST have been doing their own thing... The timeline graphic was nice and helped, but having that piece of info verbally said front and center would really help.
(Listing literally every difference is a nightmare, and not realistic. Even back when the original list was made back in... 2017? Was shallow despite being worked on for over four? hours? (I tried finding it again, but had no luck. I think Sudura back in the day made it before being banned off the Subreddit? That or it was on a Sudura thread.)
Treating the video as a buyer's guide, I'd give it an 8.5/10 (I'd give it a 9 if you mentioned positive DS exclusive bugs like Fire Farms, and the Pinecone Bug.)
Treating the video as a "what are the differences between X and Y" I'd give it a 4/10 (Since well, detail was sparse to save time, and hell, we both know listing everything is unrealistic. Granted that'd be an instant 10/10.)
Either way, good video. It won't prevent questions, but it'll answer them quickly at least.
@@K-C-D-A Yeah, it really was intended as a surface-level overview for prospective buyers, so listing all the differences between the games not only would have made the video ridiculously long, but probably would have just confused the viewers that are the target audience. I generally find that making videos like this is an exercise in the art of triage - having to decide what to keep, and what to cut. And as I have a tendency to get pretty long-winded when I start writing something, I generally end up cutting a lot of the stuff that I originally thought I might want to include.
Nice! New video uploaded :) life can wait, I need to watch (even though I already own all the games xD)
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I can add that Vanilla Dont starve + ROG also work well on computers regardless of how optimized they are for gaming. My 5 year old student brick PC could play it!
Indeed - they're not very taxing on the system, so no need for a high-end gaming rig like so many games that come out these days!
in a short way for me to explain wich to get:
if you are looking for a casual game you play here and there get the singleplayer version.
if you want to play a game for more than 100 hours get DST.
I dunno - I've got way more hours spent in single player than I do in DST, and I'm not the only one for whom that is the case!