Is Sukuna ACTUALLY a Fraud? (Jujutsu Kaisen)

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  • Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
  • Sukuna is meant to be the strongest sorcerer in Jujutsu Kaisen,, but chapter 229 of the manga has caused the internet to TURN against him, with many people labelling him as a fraud! That’s why I’ve brought in ‪@Zhoniin‬ and ‪@DJMilez‬ to help me investigate whether the fraud allegations are true, or if it’s all being blown out of proportion.
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  • @DJMilez
    @DJMilez 11 месяцев назад +76

    It was such a blast and treat to collab with these incredible gentlemen! Fraudkuna allegations aside, is Nobara coming back?!

    • @coldfury2652
      @coldfury2652 11 месяцев назад +1

      I’m not gonna lie I don’t know how I’d feel if she came back looking back at nobara she was strong but she wasn’t really a strong character if she comes
      Idk what that’s gonna do for the story in all honesty she’s like a wannabe maki but maki is a peak female character in strength and writing while nobara just has the strength how do y’all feel I wanna know

    • @Avatard101
      @Avatard101 11 месяцев назад

      Much need view but not changing my mind Gojo not dieing and never was a mha fan one mainly but Fruadkunas going down guy come on 💪💪✌️✌️

    • @darthcaliginous2066
      @darthcaliginous2066 11 месяцев назад +1

      She was a grade 3 against a special grade curse, it’s obvious she dead

    • @y-playz_2178
      @y-playz_2178 11 месяцев назад

      Reason why he quickly fraud is that he did not use he own curse technique to get out of gojo domain

    • @Ghostf4cekilll4
      @Ghostf4cekilll4 11 месяцев назад

      No.

  • @mtf_savage_beasts2565
    @mtf_savage_beasts2565 11 месяцев назад +140

    Dude That Zhoniin guy is coping hard. He is making his own head cannon. Sukuna himself said he is at his full power after eating 19 fingers and his old mummified body. Even if he is not in his previous body he now has 10 shadows which are more than enough because Sukuna is using them instead of his own CTs because even he sees the potential of 10 shadows.

    • @niccoloparker3548
      @niccoloparker3548 11 месяцев назад +10

      I suspect its not exactly the same. Sukuna ct reservoirs and output are the same as they were in the heinen era. But his physical body is much weaker.
      This is mainly, because well Megumi is a teenager, he hasn't finished growing and Megumi is just not a sorcerer that relies or ever heavily trained his physical body.
      Sukuna original body looks incredibly physically imposing and it has four arms. So I feel like Sukuna would be doing much better in the hadn to hand section of the fight. I mean its four much stronger hands against 2.

    • @lekanosagie
      @lekanosagie 11 месяцев назад +22

      @@niccoloparker3548physical strength likely doesn’t mean shit. Except for Heavenly restriction cases, strength is mainly a function of cursed energy. Sukuna is at full power right now and probably stronger than his Heian era form. Zhonin is just chatting bs.

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@lekanosagiewhat he is trynna say is with 4 arms he would do better h2h. Plus i personally think the output should be noted. Ryu had the greatest output in the history of jjk. So kenny gave him a vessel that could endurance the output sukuna prolly did the same but fighting in ur own body is different than seeking a vessel ig. If sukuna has 10s in his original body ig everyone would agree he would do better

    • @quintonscovens483
      @quintonscovens483 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@lekanosagieuji is relative to Yutas strength. Yuji is borderline super human with average/low cursed energy. Yuta has a super weak body with a huge reserve of cursed energy. This has already been established in the series

    • @WeGoJim69789
      @WeGoJim69789 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@lekanosagiehere’s still one more finger left. Sukuna may be at 20F but that’s becuz he consumed his mummified head not the last finger. So technically full power Sukuna is 20F + mummy head or basically 21F. So do u think Heian era Sukuna is 21F due to him having 20F and his own head? Also I do think 20F + mummy head Sukuna is stronger than Gojo cuz each finger makes Sukuna way stronger, and Gojo basically had trouble against 19F + mummy head Sukuna.

  • @Jjkmanga_123.
    @Jjkmanga_123. 11 месяцев назад +26

    Dude brought Zonin the biggest meatrider of Sukuna 🤡

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 11 месяцев назад +6

      The guy is full of headcanon which doesn't make sense.

    • @amity4600
      @amity4600 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 this aged like milk

  • @nick6253
    @nick6253 11 месяцев назад +71

    Im pretty sure the fraud allegations have less to do with Sukuna using the 10 shadows and more to do with his no stop bragging about being the strongest before taking over Megumi's body just to lose before using 10 shadows. It'd be different if he stated he would beat Gojo AFTER taking over Sukuna

    • @chidubemnwanisobi6037
      @chidubemnwanisobi6037 11 месяцев назад +5

      “Just to lose before mahoraga” nowhere did it state that he lost but go off clown.

    • @nick6253
      @nick6253 11 месяцев назад +25

      @@chidubemnwanisobi6037 dude was caught in infinite void with a hole in the chest, yet that's not losing? You're either an optimist or just delusional.

    • @CertainlyCynical
      @CertainlyCynical 11 месяцев назад +17

      @@nick6253 Sukuna has never once called himself the strongest, where do y’all keep getting this shit from?😂

    • @nick6253
      @nick6253 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@HeavenlyNekoOfficial
      When he fought instead of begged for help that is

    • @officialpopeyes414
      @officialpopeyes414 11 месяцев назад +5

      Honestly i don't think sukunas called himself the strongest it's been everyone around him callinghim that

  • @retroman355
    @retroman355 11 месяцев назад +137

    Zhoniin is insane im sorry. When sukuna was breaking gojos barrier in the beginning i could see why you would think he was winning, kinda. But even then gojo was running through the slashes and fighting. Now that gojo found a way to beat sukunas domain and Zhoniin saying sukuna is outplaying gojo still is unbelievably stupid.

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад +24

      Thank u for stating facts

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 11 месяцев назад +6

      If you watch his videos, you will notice that he has no idea what he is talking about or what's going on in a certain manga he is talking about.

    • @slayed9602
      @slayed9602 11 месяцев назад +7

      Do y’all not read the chapters with comprehension?

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@slayed9602 zhonin says sukuna is not at his full power because he didn't eat the last finger and is not in his four arms form which is a complete lie. You should be asking yourself that question man

    • @slayed9602
      @slayed9602 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 I’m not talking about sukuna being at full power. I’m talking about the guy who thinks zhoniin saying sukuna outplaying gojo is stupid. You gojo fanboys are clueless.

  • @osas2kul
    @osas2kul 11 месяцев назад +10

    Who's this guy in the far right meat riding Sukuna !?😂...bro going at it reverse cowgirl 😂

    • @crisiscorefan123
      @crisiscorefan123 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah I kinda thought that when he said sukuna came into the fight at a disadvantage. Like he didn't see him get the rest of his whole ass body

    • @retroman355
      @retroman355 11 месяцев назад +1

      His name is Zhoniin and listening to him about anything jjk is insane.

  • @pr0l0gue
    @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +67

    Sukuna fans not having the worst possible choice of character traits to look up to challenge: impossible

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад +11

      Bro so true. I don't just get how ppl look up to that demon

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад +10

      Legit the coolest mf in jjk. Ppl like gojo he has good eyes,white hair and deemed the strongest. Ppl don’t like sukuna becuz he is evil? When did not liking evil deemed so “unormal”

    • @pr0l0gue
      @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +17

      @@rockingby3306 There’s nothing “cool” about a power stealing degenerate who bullies children. Gojo is a school teacher who developed out his arrogance and actually stands for something. Sukuna’s a worthless consumer, only people who are easily seduced by surface level things can find him cool

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@pr0l0gue well then gojo is a dude with self esteem and a super high ego who disobeys the upper high and threatens to kill them. You see? Even a good side has bad sides. I'm not saying sukuna is good but since he has no good side that's what makes him unique every villian in jjk has good sides but sukuna doesn't,he wants to kill. Sukuna is the under dog in gojo vs sukuna(even tho he is the strongest history sorcerer) gojo's god like ability makes him seem more strong. That's why an under dog or a simple dude with brains and guts fighting against "god" seems cool. That's why many ppl like the way satan moves. None says they want to be sukuna or want sukuna to come irl his character is fun to watch,what are u 12? Hating everyone for liking villian 🤣

    • @pr0l0gue
      @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +9

      @@rockingby3306 Because the “uppers” are corrupt and actively produce evil with their deceptive and cruel ways. My parents were not evil, so I do not admire people who do evil. My grandfather valued education and took his family up north for a better life, so I value educators. They taught me that choosing power to lift others up instead of bottomless greed is what makes a man. So that’s what I believe.

  • @vagabond8094
    @vagabond8094 11 месяцев назад +74

    Zhonin is a hard coper. The generalization alone should say it, I've never been a my hero fan, I grew up on bleach, and it will always be my favorite. With that being said, sukuna is not at a disadvantage and never has been. In fact, gojo has been. Gojo practically has no info on sukunas capabilities, whereas sukuna has all the knowledge on gojo he'd need to set up traps, etc...
    He also SPECIFICALLY took 10s as HE KNEW the potential it has, in both strength and being a direct counter to gojo. Sukuna has been pressing gojo hard trying to put him on the back foot, but GOJO HAS LITERALLY TANKED ALL HIS ATTACKS, but as soon as sukuna gets hit by infinite void it was over, there is no "tanking" it. He had to set up a trap once he got hit by it in order to survive. I'm not saying it isn't a smart move because sukuna obviously needs to win this encounter.
    However, saying that he would've fought differently without 10s, is just hard cope. You're probably right. He would've had to pull everything he NEEDED to in order to survive, but it would've been sukuna on the backfoot the entire time, and ultimately, in the end, losing. The number of sukuna fans I see hard coping is astounding. Gege would've had him pull out everything before NEEEDING to use the 10s IF HEIAN ERA sukuna was really stronger. Just use your brains. It really isn't hard to see what gege is doing here. Sukuna didn't set this whole shit up for no reason. He stole a kids body specifically for a technique that HE KNOWS RIVALS GOJOS POWER.

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад +14

      Thank u for stating facts

    • @32weeb
      @32weeb 11 месяцев назад +10

      Thank you bra they stated many facts Sakuna could have original body if he wanted it and the head accommodated the missing finger, Zhonin is delusional @zhonin

    • @lekanosagie
      @lekanosagie 11 месяцев назад +17

      @@crossfire4691Zhonins Sukuna agenda was wild in this vid. Couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад +1

      Tbh giving sukuma prep time and knowledge is reasonable. Gojo has mf 6 eyes. He doesn’t need info,prolly why the jjk students or sorcerers never told him. They prolly thought his 6 eyes could see it. And they can(not some attacks but cmon if gojo sees everything it would be like having observation haki)

    • @phxerg9779
      @phxerg9779 11 месяцев назад

      Zhonii said biggest W of all

  • @PaidInFull502
    @PaidInFull502 11 месяцев назад +26

    The mahoraga merchant

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 11 месяцев назад

      AHHHAHHA
      The stunning thing is that, on top of all of this, this man had to come up on the field with Megumi's face and more efficient body, but still the guy used Mahoraga against Yorozu?!? Megumi's shelved strongest technique being used again and again and again by Sukuna throughout the whole series against everybody and their mother despite Sukuna being the strongest curse?! This is crazy.

  • @TokiHer
    @TokiHer 11 месяцев назад +5

    I want whatever copium Zhoniin is taking. Must be that good stuff.

  • @BlessingHero
    @BlessingHero 11 месяцев назад +59

    zhoniin is just meat riding sukuna

  • @trickeruniverse1979
    @trickeruniverse1979 11 месяцев назад +38

    These guys casually ignoring the fact that it was said in the manga Sukuna could turn to his original self anytime he wanted. And Sukuna said it himself that staying the human form is better for fighting sorcerers.
    There is no advantage 4 arms sukuna has over the Sukuna we’re seeing now.
    It is absolutely criminal to say sukuna is at a disadvantage in this fight with all his stacked up abilities, I get his point of saying sukuna is “out jujutsuing” gojo a bit here, but he’s not at a disadvantage. Everyone came here stacked up with everything they had.
    Also Sukuna definitely did not want to get Hit with unlimited void lol, gojo pressed him and he was just 0.01secs slower to activate his own domain which is why he got caught, he had Mahoraga adapting this whole time as a back up in case that happened, not that he let it happen to him, who tf wants to get hit with infinite info and be effective brain dead for a bit.
    You guys realize sukuna is effectively incapacitated right now cuz he took unlimited void for a couple seconds there, and it looked like he did the switching places with Mahoraga thing like he did when he was in Yorozu’s domain. So it’s possible he’s hiding in the shadows till the effects of UV wears off while Mahoraga and gojo duke it out.
    Regardless of whoever y’all routing for, it’s important to keep the Facts straight 👍

    • @tobiusdawson4639
      @tobiusdawson4639 11 месяцев назад +1

      I appreciate your comment

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад +2

      Finally. Someone who doesn't cope

    • @32weeb
      @32weeb 11 месяцев назад

      Thank you bro

    • @SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZ
      @SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZ 11 месяцев назад

      To be honest gojos say multiple times y is sukuna putting himself at risk and putting himself in a disadvantage for no reason.

    • @SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZ
      @SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZ 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@dringlepringle not my words mate gojos words . Sukuna could have destroyed the domain from the inside which gojo stated but chose not to. Read back chapter 228 cuz tht wht gojos said. He said “ when the conditions reversed, thereby decreasing resistance from the inside. He(Sukuna) took a risky move rather than try to break it from the inside”. As I said gojos words not mine.Sukuna in the last chapter could have destroyed the domain from the inside but chose not to for some reason. Which lead him to be hit from unlimited void. He could have completely avoided it but chose not to. We will know the reasoning next chapter.

  • @coldfury2652
    @coldfury2652 11 месяцев назад +103

    I don’t understand how using your ability to get a new ability not to mention very smart planning makes someone a fraud I don’t see y’all coming for geto or yuta

    • @toki8093
      @toki8093 11 месяцев назад +52

      It is because Yuta's main CT is literally copying techniques and Geto's technique is cursed spirit manipulation also his main CT

    • @sensh1501
      @sensh1501 11 месяцев назад +10

      Exactly lmfao 💀

    • @StorableGaming
      @StorableGaming 11 месяцев назад +19

      he couldn't do it with his own strength fraud

    • @sensh1501
      @sensh1501 11 месяцев назад +37

      @@StorableGaming That doesn't make him a fraud tho 💀. Gojo was having a tough fight with sukuna the entire time until this chapter. We all know that infinite void is a one shot technique. Getting mad because someone has a counter to that is just stupid 😂

    • @licht1066
      @licht1066 11 месяцев назад +21

      ​@@sensh1501Gojo was having a tough fight with Sukuna because Sukuna has known Gojo entire skill set before the fight even began and has been using the wheel to adapt to limitless (which isn't his technique) thus fraud behaviour what so hard to understand💀

  • @angelm365
    @angelm365 11 месяцев назад +43

    What a sakutard. Sakuna was CLEARLY trying his BEST to kill gojo with his domain and he KEPT failing. Not only was he failing each time, but gojo was figuring out how to overcome and drive him towards a checkmate. Sakina is smart enough to notice the tide turning against him and chose to rely on the 10 shadow(a tech said to be equal in lethality to limotless/6eyes) to save him from what he instinctively felt coming(him falling victim to gojo's domain).

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад +1

      I think when sukuna saw gojo’s rct he knew he couldn’t kill gojo. He could def kill gojo if gojo has 0 ct. that’s why he was planning to make sure maho adapts to gojo rather than domain. Gojo literally has infinite consumption of CE so his rct is outta this world

    • @ganidunipun3226
      @ganidunipun3226 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@rockingby3306 when gojo lost the first domain clash Sukuna could have killed him or cornered him. gojo lost infinty for few moments Sukuna could have used his fire arrow, curse tool or what ever he has but instead he only used cleave.

    • @angelm365
      @angelm365 11 месяцев назад +1

      @dringlepringle that's my point. I thought I made that clear in my post. Sakuna's initial plan was to kill gojo with his domain, and he tried his best to do it. BUT he failed. Gojo was at his most vulnerable when he had rtc running at max capacity to survive those cuts. After sakuna got blasted with red, I think he realized that not only gojo survived his onslaught but was in the midst of coming up with a counter on the spot. He then relied on 10 shadow as a backup. Sakina foresaw himself getting hit by the void and purposely chose to keep attacking the exterior; not because he's reckless but he's probably been in life or death situations multiple times in his lifetime and can recognize the turning of the tide. There is no one-sided domination between these monsters.

  • @cavinnkosi
    @cavinnkosi 11 месяцев назад +10

    lmaoooooooo. I often watch Zhonin's jjk videos and I've never heard him be this obviously bias. I prefer it though, its always great to feel like you're listening to a fan sharing their perspective (and naturally some of their bias) in lieu of the monotonous stuff youtubers do in the name of a "breakdown"

  • @mtf_savage_beasts2565
    @mtf_savage_beasts2565 11 месяцев назад +33

    So what if Sukuna said he can defeat GOJO at 20 or kill him? Toji also said he will kill Gojo and we all know how that ended.

    • @user-lr9mj7iw5e
      @user-lr9mj7iw5e 11 месяцев назад +3

      Yea but gojo almost died to that regular dude if just aimed at his head Gojo would be Dead

    • @mtf_savage_beasts2565
      @mtf_savage_beasts2565 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-lr9mj7iw5e Toji was Physically gifted who had a Curse spirit and lots of Curse tool, He was a top/master assassin, Toji was not a regular dude by any means. Toji also needed days to Exhaust Gojo before attacking him and that was teen Gojo which was before Gojo took things seriously but that's not what I wanted to convey here, I mean to say Sukuna saying "He will kill Gojo or beat Gojo" doesn't mean anything because Toji also said the same things but Toji himself ended up dying.

    • @semekiizuio
      @semekiizuio 11 месяцев назад +1

      Toji prepared as well. Who wouldnt do their homework against Gojo, a strong opponent

    • @azeemskiies3631
      @azeemskiies3631 11 месяцев назад

      @@mtf_savage_beasts2565thats kinda the whole strategy on assassinations

    • @MrLeFty-ib7kv
      @MrLeFty-ib7kv 10 месяцев назад +2

      he literally did, Gojo lived cause of the plot

  • @bryann339
    @bryann339 11 месяцев назад +4

    i bet zhonnin sore af after all that sukuna meat riding

    • @johnatello_267
      @johnatello_267 11 месяцев назад

      Bro was munching it hard bro 😂😂

  • @silvera-00
    @silvera-00 11 месяцев назад +47

    Zhonin clowning. He specifically chose his form because he said himself that it's easier to fight sorcerers. He was literally asked in the manga why he wasn't in his true form.
    Ain't no way you can say Sukuna has been at a disadvantage the whole fight 😂😂😂😂.

    • @GigaNiga483
      @GigaNiga483 11 месяцев назад +3

      Sukuna made Gojo exhausted, and took damage to Mahoraga to adapt. This is 4D chess by Sukuna. If the next chapter proves that Sukuna can't use his ct without all 20 fingers Gojo fans officially gonna be marked as clowns fr.

    • @ta15235
      @ta15235 11 месяцев назад +1

      People funny lol disadvantage

    • @johnrobinson4201
      @johnrobinson4201 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@GigaNiga483 why wouldn’t he be able to dig me use it to finish off Jogo at 15 fingers? Assuming shrine isn’t his actual cursed technique? Which I believe it is because it was imbued in his domain I have no idea what the box open thing is. But I don’t think it’s the fingers that are stopping him from doing it maybe it’s the futility of using it against somebody who is not going to be hit unless you do something to remove the infinity. He also used it on mahoraga. Maybe I’m confused by what you meant

    • @homunculus6410
      @homunculus6410 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@GigaNiga483fr

    • @silvera-00
      @silvera-00 11 месяцев назад +6

      @DealwithRaj14017 bruh. Sukuna wasn't taking damage to get Mahoraga adapted. The ONLY time we see this is when he fought Yorozu and he had the wheel in his possession. What made Mahoraga adapt to UV was being summoned inside Gojos domain and being hit by it. Sukuna summoned Mahoraga out of fear. It was his only move. Next chapter I'd be willing to be Sukuna is still fucked up from last chapters beating and Gojo probably kills Mahoraga as Sukuna wakes up.
      The reason Sukuna won't use other attacks is because they won't work on Gojo. He's only got Domain Amplification and Domain Expansion. Everything else outside of TS wouldn't work on Gojo.

  • @amity4600
    @amity4600 9 месяцев назад +4

    they called zhonin a mad man

  • @Salemwaaa
    @Salemwaaa 11 месяцев назад +7

    Turtle: Sukuna is a fraud
    Me: ACCUSATIONS…FALSE ACCUSATIONS

  • @dalaw9660
    @dalaw9660 11 месяцев назад +3

    " This is heavy cope" is still being said even tho Gojo had to ask why Sukuna was going the risky route on shit during the fight?? Or when he asked why he wasn't using his CT.

  • @88kris88
    @88kris88 11 месяцев назад +3

    Can i have some of what Zhoniin is drinking/smoking please...Sukuna has a MASSIVE disadvantage 🙄

  • @Takee007
    @Takee007 11 месяцев назад +30

    Gojo opened the fight with a move apmped by 2 other people, it didnt even slow sukuna down, he literally been on the back foot until now.

    • @CertainlyCynical
      @CertainlyCynical 11 месяцев назад +13

      But gojo fans will tell you he’s been stomping sukuna since the fight started🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @pr0l0gue
      @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +17

      @@CertainlyCynicalit didn’t save him, he won with a plain Infinite Void. You are stanning a grownass man who steals power to bully kids

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад

      Dude no he hasn't

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад

      @@CertainlyCynical no that's the exception. Unlike sukuna's fans where it's the rule

    • @Takee007
      @Takee007 11 месяцев назад

      @@pr0l0gue he lost 3 times and the one time he won it got broke immediately

  • @WildBandit300
    @WildBandit300 11 месяцев назад +6

    The problem with Sukuna is that he was hyped throughout the whole series as the top of jujutsu, and as an equal older counterpart to Gojo in terms of power, yet the way the fight was structured it didn't really deliver that well.
    Instead of making him look like the king of curses, he ends up looking like a clown that almost lost because he forgot to use (or was too cocky to use) his CT nor took an opponent who could constantly clash domains with him seriously.
    He basically ends up another jobber on Gojo's diner check who needed a "get out of jail free card" not to WIN, but to avoid getting DROPPED mid-fight.
    After all the hype, all the hundreds of characters repeating how he was the strongest of the era, and all the commotion he causes through the series, he still didn't come even halfway close to beating Gojo on his own, by either sheer stupidity or ability. Even if his CT is revealed and is shown to bypass limitless, Sukuna still looks like a moron for refusing to use it and almost losing.
    If he somehow broke out of UV and then continued the fight before getting tired/bored/annoyed/whatever and THEN summoning Mahoraga to finish the job, the fight would look a lot different.

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад

      Chill out unless sukuna’s talks or we see his thoughts u can’t say anything. Gege might make sukuna’s CT someth formidable just wait bro if sukuna’s ct isn’t all that strong then we can know his plans were for megumi. But what shocks me if sukuna wanted to kill gojo why wouldn’t he steal angels ct? It’s wayy better than 10s. But ig there is hana alr being a host snd stuff well we’ll know ig

    • @ladyloo5341
      @ladyloo5341 10 месяцев назад

      it's really funny to me how people cannot follow through some characters. For Sukuna it would not make sense to use his other CTs because acquiring Megumi was his plan ever since the start of JJK. He would rather hone Mahoraga and of course he will hone Mahoraga with the strongest person around. He's the "king of curses", he doesn't care about beating people (unless it threatens him), he cares more about curses in general because he is a textbook nerd. It's not hard to accept that Sukuna actually has a personality instead of assuming he's just another mindless curse spirit. He is scarily very calculated and what makes him a good villain. That is why he did not like Yuji despite Yuji having the perfect compatibility with him. That he would rather have Megumi whose CT is 10 in one.
      People need to start learning to pick up hints because it's really sad how people miss the point of the story itself. JJK's story is very unique. Gojo and Geto's duality is unique, Yuji's main character formula is unique. Sukuna is unique. Maki and Nobara are very unique.

    • @elmoney367
      @elmoney367 10 месяцев назад

      The fight isn't bad it's been great people label Sukuna as a fraud bc they don't think and blindly listen to the internet without taking the time to comprehend for themselves but even tho the fight is good it still has a lot left and Ik it's just gonna get better and will end up satisfying everyone except MAYBE Gojo fans

  • @joshualloyd3997
    @joshualloyd3997 11 месяцев назад +2

    Zhonin had the best takes on this panel. No basis just straight logic facts. Great takes my guy. Fans are just mad their favorite character is about to lost and are just coping and trying to make themselves feel better lol.

    • @yourconfused2540
      @yourconfused2540 11 месяцев назад

      sukuna literally saying he’s the strongest and needing to use megumi to win is hilarious, cope harder

    • @efraimlucilfer3688
      @efraimlucilfer3688 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@yourconfused2540 he never say it

    • @efraimlucilfer3688
      @efraimlucilfer3688 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@yourconfused2540what can you can expect from sorcery battle?, everything sukuna does just show how he is a very skilled sorcerer

  • @user-lr9mj7iw5e
    @user-lr9mj7iw5e 11 месяцев назад +30

    If you are looking at it like that didn't Gojo do the first fraudulent activity by using the girl's power to buff his hollow purple to 200%

    • @pr0l0gue
      @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +24

      Fact is, we now know he can win without that. It didn’t SAVE him. Even after Sukuna tanked it, he ultimately ended up owning him with nothing but a tool from his unboosted kit. Sukuna called the prison guard for a rescue

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад

      No

    • @2much4ujo
      @2much4ujo 11 месяцев назад +3

      True that but if gege was cutthroat with his writing, Gojo in theory could’ve casted a domain because Sukuna’s hands was gone meaning he can’t perform the hand seals.

    • @umeboshi2247
      @umeboshi2247 11 месяцев назад +1

      that was a temporary opening shot boost and gojo didnt use it to save his ass. meanwhile sukuna resorted to a stolen CT, a whole new arsenal, to save himself from getting bagged by gojo last minute. if he didnt have mahoraga, he wouldve been cooked at that moment

    • @Uchiha_D._Ackerman
      @Uchiha_D._Ackerman 11 месяцев назад +1

      The big difference is that Gojo only used Utahime's buff as a welcoming/warning attack while Sukuna is using Mahoraga as an essential/crucial part of their battle.
      Unless, Utahime has been CONTINUOUSLY BUFFING Gojo all this time. But No, that's not the case.

  • @ambushxvi9291
    @ambushxvi9291 11 месяцев назад +2

    Zhoniin is really riding sukuna hard af

  • @somewhatstrange1600
    @somewhatstrange1600 11 месяцев назад +4

    I feel like people are taking the fraud allegations too seriously it’s a meme sukuna said he could beat gojo but from what we can see he can’t at least without the ten shadows

  • @kammy_tv4949
    @kammy_tv4949 11 месяцев назад +3

    Gojo fans aren't mad that sukuna has the upper hand or that sukuna is probably gonna win (narratively it makes the most sense anyways), its acknowledging that gojo vs heien era sukuna would probably lead to gojos victory, so the statement that sukuna and gojo made about beating the other, gojo was the correct one, hence sukuna being a fraud. The memes branched out from there with the mickey mouse club house and "fraudulent one".

  • @hawwashifaza2414
    @hawwashifaza2414 11 месяцев назад +3

    Respect for DJ for still believing that kugisaki ain't dead

  • @johnrobinson4201
    @johnrobinson4201 11 месяцев назад +14

    Oh I get it sukuna wanted to get hit by Unlimited void that’s exactly why he waited until the fifth or sixth one and used every trick in the book to avoid being hit by that technique in the domains prior right? Right. So much Cape and copium for sukuna right now😂 your boy is packed up and in a comatose state And that’s all part of the plan

    • @cameronedwards7870
      @cameronedwards7870 11 месяцев назад +1

      All this meatriding just for Gojo to lose

    • @johnrobinson4201
      @johnrobinson4201 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@cameronedwards7870 Keep slopping off Sukuna he may wake up from his coma yet

  • @nick6253
    @nick6253 11 месяцев назад +21

    The Sukuna meat riding is hilarious

    • @osas2kul
      @osas2kul 11 месяцев назад +5

      On God😂

    • @supermanblackedition
      @supermanblackedition 11 месяцев назад +6

      It’s crazy how Batman is praised for being prepared, but Sukuna does it and he’s a fraud.

    • @kremit_wick9372
      @kremit_wick9372 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@supermanblackedition batman prepares with his own intellect and gadgets and planning since hes an ordinary human sukuna brags hes the strongest then steals megumis body just so he has a chance to beat gojo

    • @supermanblackedition
      @supermanblackedition 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@kremit_wick9372 i know you haven’t read the story 😂. Sukuna was a literal human before he became a cursed spirit. His whole backstory is about his rise from nothing into something. Gojo was born the honored one, Sukuna made himself one, the king of curses. What good is a king who keeps his knights blade dull?

    • @nick6253
      @nick6253 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@supermanblackedition Sukuna wanted smoke and declared his "victory" before having 10 shadows. Dude's a clown

  • @Esoteric-_-Plat
    @Esoteric-_-Plat 9 месяцев назад +2

    This didn’t age well

  • @mosesmkandawire3032
    @mosesmkandawire3032 11 месяцев назад +10

    I always feel like as much as zhonin watches jujutsu kaisen, he doesn't understand what's going on and after watching this video it confirms my suspicions about him. Sukuna literally said that the mummy was enough to make up for the one finger and he himself confirmed that he can morph into his true form at will. Are some of us just slow or are we just watching another manga?

    • @Isekaizen6466
      @Isekaizen6466 11 месяцев назад +1

      Because someone says that there is no need for something doesn't mean there is no need for it my guy... he probably said not to worry about it cause gojo had it so why would he be searching fo it when he had a mummy to use as a temporary substitute?😊 and true form thing could easily be because sukuna wanted to mentally nerf Gojo.

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 11 месяцев назад

      @@Isekaizen6466 well how did that work out for him? He is equally nerfed as Gojo plus he was about to get packed up before mahoraga bailed him out so obviously four arms Hien era sukuna would have died 3 times over now

    • @Isekaizen6466
      @Isekaizen6466 11 месяцев назад

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 look the thing is he probably just wanted to... because there is no reason why he wouldnt use his form against gojo... not to mention, it was never implied that the megumi one is better so clearly he just wanted to for the soul purpose to mind fuck gojo (which might or might not be working)

  • @Ghostf4cekilll4
    @Ghostf4cekilll4 11 месяцев назад +2

    It would also make more sense for sukuna to kill gojo with megumi’s technique. Especially after being clowned by gojo about “his face”

  • @cloakeddemon3207
    @cloakeddemon3207 11 месяцев назад +11

    Indeed he is

  • @Avatard101
    @Avatard101 11 месяцев назад +2

    Fraudkuna confirmed 🤔🤔✌️😂

  • @ladyloo5341
    @ladyloo5341 10 месяцев назад +2

    -Sukuna has never once called himself "the strongest"
    -Mahoraga at the point where Sukuna needs to time his summons to tick Mahoraga's adapt ability 7 times makes Mahoraga more like a tool
    -One of Gojo's kryptonite is Mahoraga, of course Sukuna's going to use the CT efficiently as much as possible
    -The Heian Era is known to be the golden age, meaning Sukuna being the strongest of that time is in itself a terrifying title. He didn't have to tip off the balance of the world because everything in the era was already messy. Everyone was powerful.
    -And of course he's going to use Mahoraga, I don't see why he would take Megumi's body just to not use Mahoraga. If anything else it means he is DISCIPLINED. Rather would hone his new acquired technique than using his own to kill Gojo (he actually knows he can kill him with his own CT).
    I love Gojo. Gojo is the reason I got into JJK. I get why people would be so biased towards Gojo but I'm not going to kid myself into thinking Sukuna isn't in control. JJK doesn't listen to its own audience. I learned that the hard way when Toji and Nanami got killed. I think Gojo is going to die but not so easily as to let Sukuna get away with it. I wish he goes out taking something from Sukuna like rendering him unable to use Mahoraga or is simply restricted by a much powerful Yuji.

    • @thefearturkey6944
      @thefearturkey6944 10 месяцев назад +1

      The problem is first off sukuna believes he is stronger than gojo he said that to gojo . There are both incredibly arrogant and believe there superior to each other and are the best this has always been implied in order to be the strongest you need to think you are. Uro also said this is what yuta was missing and uro knew sukuna.
      So the argument sukuna never thought of himself as the strongest/ never called himself the strongest is just cheap.
      Its not that hes using other technique and being cheap imagine two guys box both claim there the best so on the day of the fight one guy is on drugs using illegal gloves and perfectly studied his opponent and its a close match. If your going to cheat you better dominate claiming your the best. Honestly rn gojo is winning which shouldnt happen if sukuna is equal.

    • @mumenrider1908
      @mumenrider1908 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@thefearturkey6944sukuna in the begining of the series: you'll be the first one I kill"
      sukuna now: save me mahoraga

  • @katlegomakgotloe2800
    @katlegomakgotloe2800 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think the fandom needs not to worry up until specific characters start to sweat. Shoko knows Gojo more than anyone,if she sweats or is worried Gojo is at death’s door if not dying. If Uraume shows signs of concern or intervention Sukuna is likely in a pickle.

    • @katlegomakgotloe2800
      @katlegomakgotloe2800 11 месяцев назад

      @@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Yeah that girl gets real pissy when her Lord is condescended. But she also has post trauma after that fist to the gut from Gojo. She was sweating when Sukuna told her Gojo likely has the last finger 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @lungandzimande9117
    @lungandzimande9117 11 месяцев назад +1

    why does @Zhoniin keep saying Sukuna is 19 fingers?? did he not read where gege said he will eat his mummified body to make up for 1 finger??

  • @suckmytoast3351
    @suckmytoast3351 11 месяцев назад +2

    dude on right side is meat riding sukuna hard

  • @darthcaliginous2066
    @darthcaliginous2066 11 месяцев назад +1

    I honestly feel like Sukunas technique was explained in 119, the only unexplained part is the flame, he has 2 aspects the slashes and flames. Gojo is only as strong as he is with 3 aspects max to his technique. A domain is the only way to get around Gojos infinity anyway.

  • @Marie-cq5td
    @Marie-cq5td 11 месяцев назад

    I haven’t watched this vid yet. It’s instantly saved to watch later, but I … ok amazing ad had me forget what I was even doing.
    No regerts

  • @isaiasmmmmm2784
    @isaiasmmmmm2784 11 месяцев назад

    You guys make a good trio 🔥

  • @jdent4544
    @jdent4544 11 месяцев назад +1

    I don't believe nobara is dead. If she is then gege would have confirmed this by now. And i think that she would be in a suspended state of life and death like how megumi was in shibuya. Or at the very least is out of commission.

  • @sergisanchezaragon1677
    @sergisanchezaragon1677 11 месяцев назад +13

    Man, Ik that break week has all of us sweating, but c'mon. The fight isn't even over, has been pretty equal so far and even Gojo himself stated that Sukuna wasn't using all there is to his CT at his own risk.
    Judging by the writing so far, they seem to be pretty on par and it was going to be high-diff either way, so Sukuna, being the dirty little shit he is, has pulled tricks in order to win fresh and be prepared for the aftermath.
    I personally think he wanted Megumi's CT to win comfortably without showing all his cards.

  • @jayman2jay
    @jayman2jay 11 месяцев назад +3

    The amount of plot armor Sukuna has is disgusting

    • @ghostlump843
      @ghostlump843 11 месяцев назад +1

      Says the one whose fac character got an awakening to save him from toji💀

    • @kittylitty01
      @kittylitty01 11 месяцев назад

      @@ghostlump843ok?

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 11 месяцев назад

      @@ghostlump843 Teen Gojo (fatigued, diverted, burdened etc) went up against an assassination attempt, straight up, with all the chrisms. It wasn't a proper fight and it wasn't something that he was supposed to get out from.
      Nobody in the series is surviving from that days-long process, preparation, weakening and clash from Toji.

  • @farooqueabdulazeez2065
    @farooqueabdulazeez2065 11 месяцев назад

    Who is the strongest question was setlled after recent chapter , yes in the first domain battle gojos domain was shattered but gojo was inside sukunas domain taking those sure hits and still beating sukuna in hand to hand combat and shattered sukunas domain from the inside , and gojo still found a way to counter sukunas in the domain battle in the end, and another point is that sukuna cannot withstand the sure hits of gojos domain and would lose if he even tries to, both of them are going full out right here no ones holding back , even if sukuna uses his hidden ct it may not even reach gojo due to infinity, sukuna was only able to touch gojo with domain amplification,
    Heian era full powered sukuna was thus defeated by gojo just like gojo said , and thats why sukuna resorted to ten shadows technique cause thats the only way left to beat gojo which was hinted since the beginning of the series, and i am pretty sure even sukuna knew it and thats why he stole megumis body ,

  • @johnweebfps
    @johnweebfps 11 месяцев назад

    It would be better if he was get hit with unlimited void and survives it by doing his own thing, and then summons mahoraga, but what happened is he gets hit and use mahoraga to get out , thats the fraud issue coming, he uses it like getting a free out of jail situation

  • @juliancarlo102
    @juliancarlo102 11 месяцев назад +2

    Damnn Zhoniin is delusional fr

    • @alexander6421
      @alexander6421 11 месяцев назад +1

      He might have gone braindead

  • @saadsami8860
    @saadsami8860 11 месяцев назад

    ‏‪8:35‬‏
    The pilaf bag you hitting is insane

  • @Prodigal450
    @Prodigal450 11 месяцев назад

    I just want to know why when gojo reversed the conditions of his domain did sukuna still opted to destroy it from the outside? I mean at that time the domain was stronger on the outside and weaker on the inside so why? If he could do that then that means he couldve cutoff gojo's head at anytime right? Theres no way gojo's neck is more durable than his domain right?. Oh and i believe nobara has the last finger

  • @isaackone1984
    @isaackone1984 11 месяцев назад +1

    2:57 , One thing I want to make clear too, when Sukuna said he would have defeated gojo , he really could’ve defeated gojo then. It’s implied that the only way gojo could match Sukuna’s domain expansion was by using his prison realm experience which allowed him to achieve an impossibly small barrier for his domain expansion. Couldn’t have done that at the beginning of the series. Before the fight , gojo also said he underwent special training but since nothing was shown to us I won’t really use that argument but it is very possible that it was stamina training because it was stated that gojo wears the blindfold cause he needs it as the six eyes depletes a lot of energy and Sukuna is by far the most intense fight he ever had.
    N.B: am not arguing with gojo stans, its all in the chapters. Go argue with Gege , send him emails💀

    • @Retrousopp
      @Retrousopp 11 месяцев назад +1

      If that’s the case Kenjaku would just open domain expansion without a barrier to beat Gojo, why go through the trouble of sealing him if he could just win a domain clash. Gojo’s would overpower Sukuna’s because he’s too weak at that time

    • @PlanetDiablo16967
      @PlanetDiablo16967 11 месяцев назад

      @@Retrousopp Because sealing him stops another six eyes from being born. Kenjaku feared Gojo because the wielder of the six eyes defeated him twice in the past and he has killed the six eye wielder in the past to stop them from beating him, but then another showed up later and he lost. Sealing Gojo takes him out of the fight but doesn't allow another six eye to replace him since there can only be one living at a time. It was the smarter move regardless of whether or not he thought he could kill Gojo.
      Also is Kenjaku even capable of opening a domain with no barrier? I thought that was something only Sukuna could do to begin with.

    • @Retrousopp
      @Retrousopp 11 месяцев назад

      @@PlanetDiablo16967 1. He sealed Gojo because he was too strong to defeat and would kill him if he ever tried to fight him which is what he told the disaster curses. Kenjaku had to hide behind Sukuna for a month so that Gojo wouldn’t just find and kill him(his words)
      2. Tengen is already evolved and therefore he can just use CSM to capture her. Kenjaku would just use an open domain to beat Gojo(using your logic) and kill him and another baby being born wouldn’t affect his current day plans.
      3. Yes Kenjaku opens a barrier-less domain in his fight with Yuki and Choso.
      If 1F Sukuna could beat Gojo, then why wouldn’t Kenjaku.

    • @PlanetDiablo16967
      @PlanetDiablo16967 11 месяцев назад

      @@Retrousopp 1. I'm not saying Gojo's strength wasn't also a factor in Kenjaku choosing to seal him, I'm saying he probably would've sealed him even could because it takes the six eyes out of any possible future equation.
      2. I dunno what you mean by using my logic, but I don't think Kenjaku could kill Gojo, even with an open domain because Gojo was just kill him before he could use it.
      3. I don't think OP was saying 1 finger Sukuna could kill Gojo because of his barrierless domain. my interpretation of his comment was that Sukuna was at full power when he said he could beat Gojo then he probably would've.

    • @Retrousopp
      @Retrousopp 11 месяцев назад

      @@PlanetDiablo16967 “When sukuna said he could’ve defeated gojo, he really could’ve then” this doesn’t say if he were at full power but if that’s what’s being implied then whatever. Small domain or not Sukuna wouldn’t have nothing to counter Gojo aside from domain expansion/amplification and from what we see Gojo survives the domains every time and then dominates in hand to hand. Without Mahoraga to help him adapt Sukuna has no way to counter Gojo’s infinity as of rn.

  • @ireqsavagevocaldinosaur5795
    @ireqsavagevocaldinosaur5795 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sukuna being a fraud sounds like a lot of anger gojo fan boys to me 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @clasiqz7531
    @clasiqz7531 11 месяцев назад

    I’m just stating something here but isn’t the CE pool someone has fixed from birth so technically if you think about it this way even if sukuna ate the last finger along with the corpse then nothing would change since he’s reached his full pool of CE and strength since it’s stated that t head is equivalent to a finger

  • @IAMMEDIA.
    @IAMMEDIA. 11 месяцев назад +14

    How is using your own ability to get another ability then using that ability fraudulent?

    • @pr0l0gue
      @pr0l0gue 11 месяцев назад +7

      If I use my ability to commit identity theft and steal from a CEO’s kid, does that make me the world’s most skilled businessman

    • @IAMMEDIA.
      @IAMMEDIA. 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@pr0l0gue yes if u demonstrated your skill as CEO and it indicated as such e.g. record profits or beating gojo (in our context)

    • @GigaNiga483
      @GigaNiga483 11 месяцев назад

      ​​@@pr0l0gueI don't think ya can steal any CEO's identity tho 😂. Megumi is a bum who can't even use his own CT.

    • @rockingby3306
      @rockingby3306 11 месяцев назад

      @@pr0l0gueukuna not only did steal CT of megumi. BUT MADE IT BETTER. Megumi never had that much CE and he could never ig. But with sukuna’s use of 10s its so out of this world. Sukuna literally shows more info on 10s than megumi and megumi has zenin clan info on 10s.. how could he not do what sukuna did?

    • @quintonscovens483
      @quintonscovens483 11 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@pr0l0guebro wtf are you talking about ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

  • @GreenFuMan
    @GreenFuMan 8 месяцев назад +1

    Sakuna being forced to use someone else for the entire fight makes him a fake. He couldnt beat him without mahoraga thats not because he was confident. You prepare for the worst if you think the worst is possible. He knew he would/could loose and yhats why playing it safe via his student fighting was his only choice

  • @user-myraklejnr
    @user-myraklejnr 11 месяцев назад

    Shoko said Gojo could see any malicious intent Sukuna might have. But Gojo seems to be surprise by some things. So is the Six eyes underrated or it gives info to the user but he still needs to interpret it himself?

    • @Ghostf4cekilll4
      @Ghostf4cekilll4 11 месяцев назад +1

      I’m telling you bruh. Six eyes gives you sight. 10 shadows hides things

    • @scamrasc
      @scamrasc 11 месяцев назад

      When did shoko say that?
      The six eyes gives DATA. The wielder must interpret it. After his awakening post toji gojo was able to greatly increase his data input vectors he could screen for, more than simply CE or CT, but data pertaining to mass, speed, velocity etc and was at that point planning to develop poison recognition, though stated that took time.

  • @Theritrix
    @Theritrix 11 месяцев назад +8

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but listening to Zhoniin was tough to hear. How in the WORLD do you defend Sakuna so hard that you say GOJO is a fraud... Sataru fricken Gojo is a fraud?! A human sorcerer going against an entity like Sakuna.. WHAT?!

    • @weebscholar
      @weebscholar 11 месяцев назад

      Man, can you spell Satoru and Sukuna correctly. Smh

  • @Rome-sx2rs
    @Rome-sx2rs 11 месяцев назад

    I mean kashimo has a weapon to kill gods and sukuna got a weapon to basically cancel out that weapon whn kashimo pop up we gon see sukuna say open and we will see his ct or other abilities in general

  • @katlegomakgotloe2800
    @katlegomakgotloe2800 11 месяцев назад

    My understanding to Awakenings is that you can never get a second one. You can however go above the ceiling of your prowess through tactical application but Awakenings seem to be singular,as well as enlightenment. An Awakening/Enlightenment is a Divine state of being,you can only act and behave better but not transcend better as those Buddhist concepts are nothing but Divine. Divinity cannot be transcended its transcendence itself. Gojo and Sukuna are simply shattering their ceilings of application but not the ceilings of their soul. Perhaps that talk of Gojo going into Godhood is likely but I doubt

  • @googlemee2371
    @googlemee2371 11 месяцев назад +16

    I dont understand what Zhoniin means when he's saying Sukuna isn't at 100% when fighting Gojo because we already know he's already at 20 finger power when he eat his mummified head just before the fight to compensate for the last finger. Not to mention when Sukuna comes out of the curse blood bath, Kenjaku said to Sukuna if he really wanted to keep that form rather than his original and Sukuna replied with "It suits me better". Clearly Sukuna thought his current form is better than his original 4 arms, if he wanted to keep using using post Yarozu.
    And from how the domain fight was turning, clearly from the time Sukuna had Gojo in his domain but still couldn't finish him off while on the other side, the moment Sukuna was stuck inside Gojo's domain, he needed to use the 10 Shadows to escape. Even if we'll never know truly how Sukuna in his original form would have fought against Gojo, form what we can gather from the narration right now, Sukuna couldn't have escaped without the use of 10 Shadows. Gege even said himself that he made Gojo with the intention of him being the power ceiling for the story, even when he had Sukuna in mind/in story.
    Not to mention the bigger reason people are calling Sukuna a fraud is because he likes to dub himself the Strongest/Honored One while needing to keep hijacking bodies/taking their techniques in order to keep calling himself that while Gojo is just using his own powers.
    ...And it's funny to call him a fraud as well

    • @chidubemnwanisobi6037
      @chidubemnwanisobi6037 11 месяцев назад

      Compensating for something isn’t having that thing lol. First of all all his powers are in the fingers not the head so there is no possible way he can replicate the 20th fingers powers using the head he put none of his energy in.

    • @googlemee2371
      @googlemee2371 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@chidubemnwanisobi6037 You have proof it doesn't. Sukuna himself said the head it's was enough to compensate for his last finger.

    • @danilka523
      @danilka523 11 месяцев назад +1

      Because his body aslo has his own energy? So he cant be at full power now, until he consumes all of his corpse and the remaining finger.

    • @googlemee2371
      @googlemee2371 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@danilka523 Dawg that's literally headcannon. You have nothing to prove Sukuna isn't at full power when he himself literally said the head was what he was gonna use to compensate for his missing finger to be at full strength.

    • @joydeepghosh3182
      @joydeepghosh3182 11 месяцев назад

      Well like to argue sukuna is not at full power because he doesn't have his last finger as sukuna said eating his compensate the last finger but it will not replace the power of last finger I mean simple words there is a difference between compensate and replace that's all I have to say

  • @ohboyitsjimmie9409
    @ohboyitsjimmie9409 11 месяцев назад

    thing is infinite void seems to be a one hit kill sorta for gojo vs sukuna but you can’t say the same for malevolent shrine not in this fight every other yes .. and I feel like that’s a factor gojo is just gonna power thru it .. sukuna made sure not to get it my infinite void and when he finnaly did almost dudes if it wasn’t for .. the summon

  • @Rome-sx2rs
    @Rome-sx2rs 11 месяцев назад

    I mean if Yūki got a black hole and if gojo don’t got no other attacks that can compare to that he better get a second awakening he already kinda a Demi god he better ascend

  • @johnweebfps
    @johnweebfps 11 месяцев назад

    its not about his using mahoraga, its about how and the timing he use it, he release it seemingly the time he about the get pummeled because he is stunned, if the story makes sukuna survives infinite void in his own power its good, but he uses mahoraga to escape it, thats the main issue fraudkuna is coming

  • @asuradexterosity6512
    @asuradexterosity6512 11 месяцев назад +1

    This gives me Godzilla vs Kong vibes especially their last fight in the movie when Kong fights with the AXE which is not "inherently" his original ability. Bcos lets face it, Kongs only ability is MONKE. I'm a Kong fan but even i know that yeah their both equals n dis applies to this Gojo vs Sukuna fight. But yeahh i kinda get the fraudkuna situation.

  • @clasiqz7531
    @clasiqz7531 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sukuna said he’d kill Gojo when he got his full power back and that was when he said he’d take over yujis body before he knew about 10s so he isn’t doing what he stated he would and if he didn’t have mahoraga then UV wouldn’t have been broken, plus zhonlin is meat riding there’s no way he said sukuna wanted to get hit by UV, he got hit by it and now he can no longer use his domain cos his brain is too messed up because of UV

    • @clasiqz7531
      @clasiqz7531 11 месяцев назад

      Also he’s definitely stronger than the golden age sukuna, the manga stated it made up for the last finger so why would people believe otherwise, zhonlin is just clinging on to the last price of hope he can, also physical prowess means nothing if you have a large pool of CE since he can just enhance megumis body with his immense amount on CE, also even if he hasn’t used his full arsenal of CTs, DE is supposed to be the pinnacle of a jujutsu sorcerer and it didn’t beat Gojo so would it really matter and would it get past infinity?, at the end of the day if he didn’t have 10s he wouldn’t have escaped UV

  • @Manga.Spoilersss
    @Manga.Spoilersss 11 месяцев назад +2

    Fools .. he isn't fraud or anything.... he was using mahoraga from first so he can't use his own CT and also used binding vow if he got hit by unlimited void to summon mahoraga .. That's insane Iq

  • @darthcaliginous2066
    @darthcaliginous2066 11 месяцев назад +1

    8:10 that dude is on copium. He just said hes been dominating gojo the whole fight now hes not in his true form or comfort zone, 2 extra arms aint gonna make a huge difference in power, hes at 20 fingers what is he even talking about, saying hes at a disadvantage is ridiculous

  • @thescarecrow897
    @thescarecrow897 11 месяцев назад +2

    so much cope holy , sukuna is the king of frauds and theres no debate. He got hit by unlimited void and had to make megumi take it for him, and if he didnt swap with mahoraga he would've gotten folded. So not only he got saved by mahoraga but also megumi , so fraud x2. If sukuna wasnt a fraud he would fight gojo with his own power. Honest to god we would be willing to not call sukuna a fraud if he didnt talk so much smack for a guy thats getting carried by a shikigami that ISNT HIS.

  • @marquicebroadwater2607
    @marquicebroadwater2607 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bro yall clearly showing a lot of favouritism towards sukuna, 1. Sukuna said he could change into hes original form at any time but he chooses not to because he would lose 10 shadows meaning that he needs 10 shadows to beat gojo. 2. Sukuna literally only has been winning in domain clashes gojo beat him multiple times in hand to hand and had sukuna running when they wasn't in there domain. 3. Gojo has literally found a way to counter sukunas DE so sukuna can't win in domain clashes anymore. 4. And yall literally didn't bring it up is that gojo was literally finna win, sukuna was already hit by infinit void shore hit, if moharaga wasn't there gojo would have literally won.

  • @noviumthompson6760
    @noviumthompson6760 11 месяцев назад

    He heals his curse energy with reverse curse energy. Him and sukuna can do it so it’s an unlimited hax

  • @KristopherJk
    @KristopherJk 11 месяцев назад +1

    Y’all laughing now but mark my words when Gojo fans run thru the rest of the worlds “copium” it will be anarchy. MJ fans, Cowboy fans, people that say Jake Paul can’t box, etc. the repercussions of your selfishness will be felt for generations. The fight hasn’t finished yet, therefore it isn’t to late to touch grass and practice “coping skills”.

  • @maskedtrickster9691
    @maskedtrickster9691 11 месяцев назад +3

    I’m hearing a lot of cope assuming that sukuna wanted to get hit so he can adapt. Not saying it’s not true but almost every hit he got, He got those while trying to actually fight and defend himself from Gojo. Most of those altercations he had no choice in the matter, he just had no choice but to take a beating from fighting mistakes that he made against Gojo. And vice versa, but Gojo has been hitting sukuna hard even if sukuna has a plan in the works behind scenes. He’s still trying his best to handle Gojo.

    • @chidubemnwanisobi6037
      @chidubemnwanisobi6037 11 месяцев назад

      Literally everybody in sukunas situation would do the same thing.

    • @ladyloo5341
      @ladyloo5341 10 месяцев назад

      So it doesn't make sense that Sukuna's trying to minimalize the hits he's receiving on purpose? YOU are coping.

    • @maatonne
      @maatonne 10 месяцев назад

      @@ladyloo5341 Nice rebuttal to your own argument.

    • @ladyloo5341
      @ladyloo5341 10 месяцев назад

      @@maatonne it's only a contradiction if you're having a hard time of grasping tortuous intentions.

    • @maatonne
      @maatonne 10 месяцев назад

      @@ladyloo5341 Who said anything about "contradiction"?

  • @Julian.noah2
    @Julian.noah2 11 месяцев назад +1

    heian era sukuna should still be stronger than current 19 finger 1 head sukuna because they only said sukuna's soul was divided into 20 fingers not his full power because if all of his power was divided into 20 fingers eating sukuna's mumified head wouldn't have changed his power at all yet sukuna still said that his heian era mumified head easiliy compenceted for the 20th finger so that would mean he should still be weaker than his heian era version so to equire his full power he would need consume his entire mumified body this could also lead into megumi's return as well because sukuna's entire soul is not in megumi's body i also think whatever gift yorozu left sukuna was rather tsumiki's soul leaving her final essance to megumi's soul and if this theory is true this caan also lead into megumi's return

  • @beyondthemilkyway21
    @beyondthemilkyway21 11 месяцев назад +1

    Gojo is the fraud ?! wtf 🤣are you serious ?!

  • @delta2370
    @delta2370 11 месяцев назад +3

    sukuna isn't a fraud becuase gojo always has been the strongest 🐐. you can argue that hien era sukuna would win but if not for ten shadows sukuna would have died. we do know wo would win and its gojo.

    • @tarigshepherd4356
      @tarigshepherd4356 11 месяцев назад

      Not really because strategy revolves around mahoraga if heian he would use a different strategy

    • @delta2370
      @delta2370 11 месяцев назад

      @@tarigshepherd4356 like what? he doesn't really have another good wincon and he has zero failsafe's against unlimited void, he was forced to use mahoraga due to unlimited void and in that moment if sukuna didnt have ten shadows he would have died. there's nothing implying sukuna was letting himself get hit he was literary just getting his ass beat and had to use mahoragaha.

    • @tarigshepherd4356
      @tarigshepherd4356 11 месяцев назад

      @@delta2370 what do mean nothing implying he had wheel hiding wheel hidden the whole time lol sukuna had make mahoraga adapt to all gojo known tech which he did

    • @delta2370
      @delta2370 11 месяцев назад

      @@tarigshepherd4356 theres nothing implying sukuna was letting himself be hit.

    • @tarigshepherd4356
      @tarigshepherd4356 11 месяцев назад

      @@delta2370 if he didn’t get with uv mahoraga wouldn’t have adapted and caught gojo off guard

  • @myxy4777
    @myxy4777 10 месяцев назад +1

    Never let Zhoniin have an opinion again, mods take away his first amendment right cuz he is jus waffling 💀

  • @clandestine736
    @clandestine736 11 месяцев назад +1

    If Sukuna is stronger with his 4-armed body, he wouldn't have had the need for 10 Shadows.

    • @chidubemnwanisobi6037
      @chidubemnwanisobi6037 11 месяцев назад

      He literally doesn’t have his full power lmao

    • @maatonne
      @maatonne 10 месяцев назад

      @@chidubemnwanisobi6037 True, he has his full power + extra.

  • @Miss_Heed_Lover
    @Miss_Heed_Lover 11 месяцев назад +2

    I already put it once, but I'll put it because the Gojotards in the comments are quite wrong
    I liked when the jjk fandom was healthy. In addition, the meme was used so much that it is no longer funny. If Sukuna is a fraud for using Mahoraga, let's also call Kenjaku for using Geto's body, or Yuta for using Inumaki's abilities several times. Or even Geto using curses. Let's use this logic and in other animes, like Naruto that uses Kurama, or Sasuke with Itachi's power, Denji with Pochita's abilities , Asa using Yoru, hunters using the slayer mark or the fusions of Dragon Ball. It is a very silly logic, in a fight all the abilities are used, in addition he used Mahoraga at a specific moment, so that Mahoraga adapts to infinity. Gojo also chose this date to devise a strategy. And no, for them to say "You're team Sukuna", no, I'm not. I think this thing about the sides is stupid. Just appreciate the fight and that's it

    • @kittylitty01
      @kittylitty01 11 месяцев назад

      Ok firstly your wrong on many levels, First Yuma being a fraud makes no sense since his LITERAL ABILITY IS TO COPY, second the Geto using curses Again his literal ability, third Kenjaku His literal ability, the reason why were calling Sukuna a fraud is cause he said he’d beat gojo in Yujis body which doesn’t have ten shadows, and because many Sukuna fans where saying Gojo gets clapped by Sukuna without him using 10s, we are only calling him a fraud cause he’s not using is Own CT abilities, kenjaku and Yuta and Geto are using there own CT in ways that work because It’s there own technique

    • @Miss_Heed_Lover
      @Miss_Heed_Lover 11 месяцев назад

      @@kittylitty01 Now, but you don't have to say about the rest, right? And Kenjaku also uses Geto's powers like Sukuna does. And it's not like he lost the fight and called Mahoraga to save him, it was literally part of his plan to make him adapt to Gojo's abilities. Also as I already said, it doesn't matter if it's in Itadori's or Megumi's body, he would change his plan according to his guets' abilities. So your whole comment is nonsense

  • @jaderexx1222
    @jaderexx1222 11 месяцев назад

    I feel like gojo will be about beat him then he's gonna be frozen in ice like want happened to that girl I think they want us to forget about her

  • @samuelreid4529
    @samuelreid4529 11 месяцев назад

    Sukuna, The fraudulent one. The malfunctioning shrine, the ten shadow merchant. 😭😭😭King of FREE LOADERS.

  • @bigboobaaron2196
    @bigboobaaron2196 10 месяцев назад

    YALL BEEN REAL FUCKING QUIET LATELY🫣🤞🐄🤡🤡

  • @cecilytait2312
    @cecilytait2312 11 месяцев назад +4

    It doesn't matter if sukana isn't in his normal body or not he could change to his four armed form anytime . And he's at full power his head was his 20th finger like gawd damn

  • @ProjectKHI
    @ProjectKHI 11 месяцев назад

    I honestly just see the fraud allegations as a joke

  • @Barneyfo
    @Barneyfo 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thumbs up if you agree we need a weekly ep review like he did for AOT !!!

  • @JottoHearthStone
    @JottoHearthStone 11 месяцев назад +1

    Been saying from the start of this fight that Sukuna will win, but only by using 10S
    Cause then Gojo was right about being stronger than him when he was Alive, but Sukuna wins through acquiring new strength.
    Still expecting the end of this fight to be a insanely high diff Sukuna win, then the final fights of the manga will be Kenjaku and a weakened sukuna vs everyone.
    On the open domain thing, it's very true that no one would be able to predict what happened in a clash with open domain, hell Kenjuku actually told Yuki that she would have had a better time opening her domain instead of using simple domain (Choso was there for that). Sukuna's domain is also massive in range, it's very possible that Kenjaku's doesn't have the same auto win from the outside thing.
    I suspect we'll see the remainder of Sukuna's technique later on, but a key thing to note is that because of infinity, no cursed technique aside from very specific ones can damage him, hence why he pulled Mahoraga specifically and not any of the other 10S. Like the fire arrow for instance would be completely useless here, he's only used cleave through domain and to knock a building down on gojo whilst he uses DA to cancel the limitless.
    The Sukuna is nerfed thing is just head cannon, he straight said the mummy was enough to compensate for lacking a finger, and Yoruzu asked him why he hasn't changed his form, implying he could at any time.

    • @elmoney367
      @elmoney367 10 месяцев назад

      Sukuna literally could've beaten Gojo without 10S already

    • @JottoHearthStone
      @JottoHearthStone 10 месяцев назад

      @@elmoney367 ....how? he would have died without mahoraga in the 5th clash.

    • @elmoney367
      @elmoney367 10 месяцев назад

      @@JottoHearthStone He could've killed Gojo in the 1st clash by using his Flame Arrow

    • @JottoHearthStone
      @JottoHearthStone 10 месяцев назад

      @@elmoney367 ok, that's assuming his flame arrow is stronger than his domain expansion which is nonsence.
      If you want to get into stupid hypotheticals, the other side is that Gojo has not been fighting Sukuna intelligently since he wants to prove he's stronger.
      He could have teleported out of the domain at any time after getting his blue back, but didn't cause he wanted to figure out how to beat it head on.

    • @elmoney367
      @elmoney367 10 месяцев назад

      @@JottoHearthStone Flame Arrow has literally been shown to be stronger than his domain so it's not nonsense and Sukuna can likely apply his Flames into his domain expansion as well

  • @emrepalapi
    @emrepalapi 11 месяцев назад +3

    Dude amount of Sukuna gaslighting is insane... Dude Gojo beating the shit out of Sukuna for whole fight but somehow Sukuna is winning 😂 Gojo literally grab his heart and ripped out of Sukunas body but noooo Sukuna wanted to get hit 😂😂😂 Dude just accept it why are you crying?

    • @tobiusdawson4639
      @tobiusdawson4639 11 месяцев назад +1

      Whole fight? He landed like 4-7 punches and that’s it. Pls explain where in this entire fight “gojo was beating the shit out of sukuna”?

    • @crossfire4691
      @crossfire4691 11 месяцев назад

      @@tobiusdawson4639 in h2h combat? Gojo literally got sukuna running like elden ring noobies run from the elden tree sentry

    • @emrepalapi
      @emrepalapi 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@tobiusdawson4639 yes and thats 4-7 punches more than Sukuna... Dude Gojo tanked Melovelent Shrine full force and got 0 damage, Sukuna got hit for 0.01 sec Unlimited Void and called for Papa Mahoraga.
      When in Yuji Sukuna told Gojo that he will kill him when he gets Yujis body, which as we can see this was a lie, cry as much as you want.
      Just give me one example that Sukuna did ANY damage to Gojo I'm saying ANY DAMAGE, bro literally heal through Sukunas Domain what do you want more man?

    • @tobiusdawson4639
      @tobiusdawson4639 11 месяцев назад

      @@emrepalapi one I’m not that invested like the rest of u wackos to go cry about a manga fight😂. And “tanking”?? Dude was a bloody massacre, tried to run away, spammed simple domain😂😂but sure let’s go with that. Dude took damage and healed. Same thing sukuna did no?
      And yeah maybe he used the big general as contingency plan or simple it was part of his strategy considering he most likely had it out the whole time. Regardless of which this dude is a malevolent creature set on causing chaos. And y’all rly saying he got too much pride to fight gojo with 10s, otherwise he’s a fraud for not using his innate ct. like cmon. We not reading the same manga

    • @tobiusdawson4639
      @tobiusdawson4639 11 месяцев назад

      @@emrepalapi And I thought he said when he got his own body back that he would kill gojo. Not that it would make a difference in my opinion just clarifying on what was actually stated. Correct me if I’m wrong tho. Just wish this community went back to its non toxic ways. Can’t we enjoy the fight of the two strongest and once it’s actually over then make claims on who’s the goat and who’s a fraud

  • @michaelcolon4162
    @michaelcolon4162 11 месяцев назад +1

    Zhoniin/Sukuna is the new Swagkage/Madara.

  • @Jacuuz
    @Jacuuz 11 месяцев назад +1

    Zhoniin downfall starting now this is WILD bias

  • @songoku3072
    @songoku3072 11 месяцев назад

    Why would anyone think he stronger than gojo when he had to bring in help that’s like saying kd better than lebron when he was playing with the golden state warriors

  • @infVAL
    @infVAL 9 месяцев назад

    Zhoniin might need to zip up sukunas pants after that

  • @helmtk4562
    @helmtk4562 11 месяцев назад

    All I’m saying is gojo better win since he said he would when Kenny asked him so if he loses he isn’t the strongest by his own standards

  • @MarquiseJ91
    @MarquiseJ91 11 месяцев назад

    Sooo if sukuna was to survive a guaranteed kill shot from infinite void then he's not a fraud? That's like saying if kid buu survive that mega spirit bomb goku threw at him then he something serious .-_-

  • @katlegomakgotloe2800
    @katlegomakgotloe2800 11 месяцев назад

    NB! Spoilers to anyone if they haven’t read Demon Slayer till the end,I’m going to make references so if people don’t want to be spoiled please leave.
    I’m beginning to grow into the likelihood Kashimo might not use his power on Sukuna but that Malevolent curse Kenjaku intends to create. The Rock Pillar Gyomei from Demon Slayer wanted to use his techniques for Muzan but he couldn’t,he used it for Upper Moon 1 instead and in turn helped him win the fight against upper moon 1. Kashimo might have another purpose for his power. Perhaps Kashimo’s true satisfaction might not need to be for Sukuna but in the greater help of humanity’s sake. I don’t know,likely.

  • @osas2kul
    @osas2kul 11 месяцев назад +1

    People acting like Gojo has lost already 😂
    I know he's gonna lose to plot, i ain't naive. But i know my boi gonna go out banging❗😁

    • @Miss_Heed_Lover
      @Miss_Heed_Lover 11 месяцев назад +2

      ClearClearOf course, every time Gojo loses it's because of a hyphen, or because the plot 🙄

    • @osas2kul
      @osas2kul 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Miss_Heed_Lover The truth hurts bro...want a tissue?😂

    • @Miss_Heed_Lover
      @Miss_Heed_Lover 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@osas2kul that's why nobody takes the Gojotards into account, handsome ☺️

  • @33mello
    @33mello 11 месяцев назад

    So because sukuna made a claim in the beginning & didn’t follow through kuz he honestly doesn’t owe it to anyone to not use 10s..he’s a fraud ?

  • @cruzavala
    @cruzavala 9 месяцев назад +2

    this didnt age well

  • @Mr.Q753
    @Mr.Q753 11 месяцев назад

    Sukuna is 20 fingers, he ate his mummified body

  • @briansam5681
    @briansam5681 11 месяцев назад

    😂😂hearing you guys talk about domains made me think Gojo said sukuna cldve destroyed his domain from the inside with ease...so assuming there was no ten shadows it is just logical to assume that sukuna wldve gone down that route and where would that have left Gojo?...unleashing a barrierless domain which wld result in a stalemate and then we would probably be right back where we started....that's why it is difficult to hypothetically assume Gojo would've won if no 10 shadows were involved bse all we are considering is a route where sukuna had the 10 shadows and not the other route where he dint have the 10 shadows....