Ken Burns Wants To Save This Liberal Arts College - Before It Dies (HBO)
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2019
- Hampshire College is in trouble. The liberal arts college in Western Massachusetts was founded in 1970 as a radical experiment in education: there are no grades, and students chart their own coursework. But now the school is finding itself on the verge of bankruptcy and is in danger of shutting down.
Hampshire College costs about $65,000 a year to attend, but only has an endowment of about $48.5 million - which pales in comparison to other, older colleges (neighboring Amherst College has a $2.2 billion dollar endowment, for example). Student enrollment steadily declining over the last few years could mean the death knell for the school, as tuition and fees make up about 90% of their operating budget.
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The liberal arts college in Western Massachusetts was founded in 1970 as a radical experiment in education: there are no grades, and students chart their own coursework.
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Liberals love failure, mediocrity and anything frivolous. The Hampshire students they interviewed were either doe-eyed imbeciles or had literal speech impediments. Pathetic! A nest of useless parasites that deserves to be purged by the market.
This school is the poster child for why socialistic systems are a failed ideology. Post secondary schools are, literally, the most profitable institutions on the planet, and yet this one is tanking? There is a lesson here, I guarantee, none of them will learn.
Ken Burns doesnt want diversity at this college? How privileged of him . But considering how he has single handedly abused whites and history with his fawning propaganda,,,i hope you fail. Downward dog that
Ha ha ha the monsters they created have turned on them to their mutual destruction. They are avoiding the timeline between their decision to remove the American flag (the first mistake) and the precipitous decline in enrollment, i.e. they don't want to admit their decision brought the Trump curse into play and the school is doomed.
John McSween Not a student, a graduate with an MA in linguistics
If you’re trying to make the case that this college is worth saving, you picked probably the worst opening clip 😂
Yes, I think Vice had a point to make/prove. But certainly the liberal arts is a wide enough circle to include crazy shit as well as important classes that promote critical thinking. It's not all great, but neither is corporate America.
Vice lives on gut reactions obviously. The point is about 1 in 3 vice stories are so retarded that everyone wants to react and explain why they're dumb but thats the point. On the other hand this video is hilarious
The first clip being the opening is definitely intentional
oh my God I love you. this place is a fucking joke
LoL!!!
This school is literally what conservatives and trolls think when they hear the words liberal arts college.
Perfectly said. I never seen such a sad fucking group of saps all crying about their college and losing their "breathing" courses. 😂😂😂
Because it accurately reflects reality.
Well in defense of that true statement, it is because Vice and MSM only show this crap
Don Quixote that’s why Vice News got YEETed by HBO. Even they are tired of this trash.
Oxy Berry - this is not what the typical liberal arts college is like.
She just got up and left with a smile on her face. Damn
Like a boss!
"Get Woke, Go Broke...Eventually"
They don't seem to get it. Reality doesn't apply to them.
I went to Hampshire College back in 2007. I dropped out twice because I picked up a hardcore drug habit there. I’m 33 years old now finally finishing my undergrad at Pitzer College-basically the better version of Hampshire lol. Don’t give up on your education!
I'm sorry that happened to you -- Hampshire DOES do that to some students because of its unstructured, totally freeform environment. I saw it happen QUITE a bit there (including to some modmates who had become like family because we were so close), and it's DEFINITELY one of the many reasons I now work as a Therapist/Counselor.
However, Pitzer ABSOLUTELY has better weather. I live in California now too myself, and it's MUCH healthier than those long-ass Massachusetts winters. ❄️🤪
And you're ABSOLUTELY right -- NEVER give up on your education! Best of luck to you. ✌️
@@tillyboos where you at Hampshire between 07-09? Also, I ultimately decided on going to UCLA instead of Pitzer for financial reasons. UCLA is a great--but big--school so im happy.
@@jimmyramos1989 No, I went to Hampshire WAY back in the 90's. The college was VERY different academically back then, but the drug scene was STILL the same. 🤪 I guess I was just used to it because I was from the Northeast (NYC & Vermont) but a LOT of my friends at Hampshire were from Washington, Oregon & Cali. I graduated in 98' and then went on to grad school in 99.' I applied to UCLA also for grad school myself, so great 🧠's think alike. 👍✌️😁
Reality hasn't stopped by this college in decades.
😂😂😂👍
Reality swings by and says “miss me?”
Yep ... and the proof is in the pudding.
They should emulate Berea College, a work-study school that caters to less well-off. Most schools should follow BC's example.
true that most college should follow BC, but not really since Hampshire college has more of an allure for the rich class kids who really don't have any worries about finances
@@mohitkc7856 Bingo, Berea kids are usually from poor families. Education is their latter to a better life.
Good thing Ken Burns didn't direct this, can't watch vids over 6 hours.
He's surprised at Best Buy rumor but not the Chinese one......LOL
Tshirt: " On Wednesdays we smash the patriarchy" .... I bet he has another t-shirt: " On Saturdays I play video games in my mom's basement"
Let’s be honest, the larger problem is that higher education as a whole is not sustainable. It is not sustainable, across the country! ESP with small, liberal art colleges. And, seeing the “value” of a degree. Perhaps our public schools, and the elite private schools, can survive this emerging reality for higher education.
Let me spend $240,000 to get a degree in masculine movement theory? The only job prospects for these students are to get a job teaching at Hampshire college.
That is pretty much a routine for mediocre small liberal arts colleges. I used to work in one of those in Midwest. The majority of the students will end up working in some places like a underdeveloped local county's chamber of commerce. Some others go back home to inherit their parents' small businesses (2-3 family employees) and farms. Those who can't find jobs become the college's staff in Admission Office and get paid 20,000- 25,000 dollars a year. I feel bad for them deeply because they are brainwashed by the college to deny that they are in bad shape. The characteristics of the graduates from these colleges are highly similar: very small comfort zone ("I don't feel comfortable" is a common daily phrase for them), over confident (seldom compete beyond local levels), poor (reluctant to leave underdeveloped hometowns to look for jobs).
I am not so sure im about tax dollars going towards free tuition anymore after that opening clip!
free tuition has never been proposed for private colleges, such as hampshire. it's only being proposed for state and community colleges
This is what I call "intellectual inbreeding". Back in the 1970s this college worked because it brought in new ideas and diverse mindsets to create a good environment. But overtime the same mindsets were brought in repeatedly and taught the next generation the same mindset and so on. Now the "inbreeding" has gotten so bad that undesired mutations are showing up in the new generations being yielded. They just keep getting more radical to the point they bite the hand that feeds (or in this case, teaches). The same thing happened at Evergreen State College in Washington.
Interesting point!
Very good point 👍
With luck the stupidity and bankruptcy of ideas will die out. But this phenomenon appears instead to be moving into government and the corporate sector.
These are students/kids who whine alot and easily get triggered during debate.
aka snowflakes
@KJ Grey No
@Deep State Why do you have a symbols of striking out the nazi flag, if you appear to agree so strongly with some of their basic principles (as Antifa tend to do)? I've asked many so called "anti fascist" people before, but they usually tend to be immersed in their ideology so much I can't get a real answer out of them or they just get nasty.
Oh hang on, is that not a nazi symbols/
Get woke go............. The irony of all this is totally worth the slow collapse!
When the Inmates run the Asylum
Ken Burns clearly had more going on mentally than the students who were interviewed. He likely had a pretty solid plan for what he wanted to do, and thus clear goals for his education. But, who many students at Hampshire have that sort of maturity and discipline? In just about any field of endeavor, planlessness is close to being the ultimate "sin". From what I have seen, heard and read, Hampshire provides no plan framework, only an implicit expectation of the student. I'm pretty sure Burns and the other successful Hampshire graduates would have been successful had they never even gone to college, though it might well have slowed their successes. And, that leaves the question of what Hampshire actually provides its students who are not as structured and goal oriented. Is it actually worth saving an experiment such as this? Or, is this now an example of a thing, once created, having an inertia that requires people to affirm it has purpose and meaning when it does not now have its intended purpose and meaning, and thus the same reason for being?
"Clearly" "likely" You've made a lot of assumptions in your comment. Where is your proof of this?
@@abesapien9930 Several decades worth of experience dealing with people who have plans and goals, as well as those who have neither.
What a worthless degree to earn. A degree from this college says:"I did as I pleased for 4 years, and I studied nothing in particular.
Isn't it what all liberal arts degrees are like?
Student’s or graduate’s future career: mop and bucket!
NOT TRUE. AT ALL.
Wow look at their website there isn't a single thing you can get a job in, with the exception of learning to farm for 60k.
You definitely didn't look very hard then! As a student here, I have to say that most people here are studying things that will most definitely get them a job. This video doesn't show the very large science department we have doing cancer cell research and neuroscience research. We have a large percentage of students who study politics and foreign affairs and economics. I myself am studying Artificial Intelligence, and many people here are also studying computer science, arguably one of the highest paying areas right now. I know multiple people who have yet to graduate but are already running their own business. We have a fantastic arts program, and while a low paying area, we are leaving this school with a larger portfolio than most college graduates. Price tag is terribly expensive but average compared to most private colleges in the US.
Spoiled entitled children with no money. Ken Burns would have succeeded anywhere he went.
That's not what he said. But the fake reverence is cool.
You'd be surprised by some of the alumni that came out of here for being a somewhat goofy hippie commune from the 70s. There's the dude that plays Ray Donovan, the love interest of Black Panther, the son from Bob's Burgers, a side-character from Billions, the guy who made that song from Good Will Hunting, one of the kids from All That, and about a dozen supposedly critically recognized authors, poets, and playwrights who's done stuff I've never heard of. They're quite an interesting bunch.
Spoiled and entitled go to ivy league schools.
@@feliciasbeard smart too
@@lloydrocks93210 You name 5-6 people over a span of 50 years lol
As a parent I toured many colleges and universities with my daughter in her senior year of high school. I was impressed with the level of intelligence and thoughtfulness of the students in a Hampshire class I sat in on. You can't really see it in this terrible video from Vice.
As a parent, I have to ask, how did the place smell? Because at least in this video, it looks like, as my mother would say: "they all look like they need a bath"!
Lol elitism at it's finest. Doesn't matter how smart the students are. If the degree is useless, it's a waste of money and time.
Hmmm... I dont believe you.
@@MrNeptunebob Funnily enough, I shower daily. Even when I was attending Hampshire, I STILL showered once or twice a day, and even (*shocking gasp*) wore deodorant! Hampshire was more than just a: "bunch of dirty hippies." Please get a clue or stop ignorantly commenting on something you clearly know NOTHING about. 🤣
Campus was WELL-MAINTAINED and manicured, and except for the occasional whiff of 🐄💩 from neighboring farms, Hampshire is in a BEAUTIFUL area. Campus has a rural feel, BUT, Amherst/Northampton are both bustling college towns nearby, and the cities of Springfield & Hartford are 30-60 minutes drive from campus, making it extremely accessible to urban areas. Boston is 2 hrs.away and NYC is 3.5 hrs.away, so it's even not far from those MAJOR cities.
@Studio RoJa -- Thank you. When I was touring/finalizing college choices and making applications, my parents knew Hampshire was my first choice.
As college-level educators (and graduates of prestigious universities) themselves, they found Hampshire interesting, BECAUSE it wasn't the standardized curriculum and rote educational formula of other institutions.
They realized that Hampshire was the "right fit" for me because I wasn't engaged in the shambles that passes for "successful" public education in this country, and had been VERY disempowered and disillusioned by my public high school experience.
Also, I'd spent two "gap years" in between high school and college studying and taking classes (but not formally enrolling) at Hunter & Brooklyn Colleges in the CUNY (City University of New York) system and that I wasn't thrilled with the level of accessibility and quality of public higher education there either, and those are two of the BEST undergraduate colleges in the CUNY system. However, it just felt (in certain aspects) like a continuation of high school for me, and that was precisely what I was trying to escape from.
Also, they realized that I wanted something COMPLETELY different and "outside the box" for college, and that I wanted to create and build my own education and they liked that Hampshire was set up like a graduate school at the undergraduate level.
Schools like this are a great option if you want to become an artist or something like that.
If it doesn’t work out they can still make our coffees look fancy af :D
Going yo an Ivy league college or any college doesn't guarantee a job
@@zionandjayla The focus should be on creating our own path. Not depending on someone else for a job.
They aren't even great if you want to become an artist because you can teach yourself the majority of what these institutions have to offer with a laptop and and spare time. Most successful artists with careers doing what they love are almost entirely self taught.
Scarl3t_Sn00tchi3s it’s not about the Information, it’s about the environment.
@@zionandjayla @Justin Quinn degrees in statistics or computer science pretty much guarantee a job. Anything related to dealing with data really. If you are dumb enough to study literature or philosophy sure, those degrees absolutely won't guarantee a job.
Could afford teach 15 new students? Nice wording.
Try "only 15 students enrolled"
60,000 a year?! my school is like 18,000 including room, board, and meal plan. And I'm getting a degree that actually means something. Yikes
These degrees mean something. Most rich people have these degrees whereas people whith every day degrees are poorer because we have so many people with them. For you to not understand why the price is different is very much idiotic. They have a fraction of students & staff than what your college has so people have to pay more because the college is funded by these students & a government handout 🤦🏻♀️
@@ashkarra2507 these people are unemployable and I’ll bet you they have it all in student loans. Only like 1/3 of these are likely rich kids the rest are deluded middle class kids with insane debt they will never be able to pay off
@@ashkarra2507 My brain has never melted as much as it is right now after reading your comment
Yeah ever Evergreen was way cheaper.
this sounds like a worse version of that college.
@@ashkarra2507no rich kid get these degrees because they don't have to worry about making money.
"...no grades" when in Hampshire College, no jobs after graduation.
Oh please, NOT TRUE. I worked before I attended Hampshire, I worked my way through Hampshire (both work/study on campus and off campus employment during ALL four years) and upon graduating (FROM Hampshire!) I worked in a Wine & Gourmet Food Emporium in Northampton, MA & for a company called New Mass Media in Hatfield, MA and at a third seasonal job for Berkshire East Ski Resort & Berkshire Whitewater in Charlemont, MA, before going on to grad school at the Ivy League level. Hampshire is VERY MUCH a real college. You are just displaying your ignorance and that's fine -- American society favors you. 🤣👍
"Generally utopia's are not well funded".
Seriously if you get a degree from this place the best you can hope for is being a Himalayan salt lamp salesperson.
Or a janitor
How did you guess that's my second job? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s losing money because...what are you learning to pursue future
Well any higher education is designed to be just that for HIGHER EDUCATION. No college can guarantee a job.
@@thejquinn THIS IS TRUE
@@thejquinn degrees in statistics or computer science pretty much guarantee a job. Anything related to dealing with data really. If you are dumb enough to study literature or philosophy sure, those degrees absolutely won't guarantee a job.
Justin Quinn Why pay a lot of money for a so called higher education if what you are learning is not marketable and not in high demand?
Allowing your belly to fill with air? Seeing as it's supposed to be a college, I'd argue they let it die.
Something Something Something actually it’s a good exercise. Many people breathe really shallow, and don’t use their diaphragm correctly.
Obviously you don’t breathe literally into your stomach. But it helps visualising.
Strong medical program obviously!
@@BeyondSorrowYYY yeah it's ethical to charge out the ass for a course about deep breathing. Not a ship worth saving
@@no_misaki It was not a class about deep breathing... It was the beginning of a student's presentation about masculine psychology.
@@d.hastings1779 Oh I figured as much but the concept of a college charging for deep breathing courses is just too funny not to run with 😁
I wonder how much the t-shirts cost that say "Disconsolate parent of Hampshire College student?"
Wow...this college is going bankrupt soon
Update
idk why the students are protesting. if the school is literally running out of money they need to do something... are they just going to sit by as it goes bankrupt
The only thing I like about this college, is the farm. Save the farm if nothing else.
"there are no grades, and students chart their own coursework" That's should have been RED FLAG from the get go..
I’m confused.... I get a degree for fist bumps! Sign me up😂
Two pertinent questions never asked: Why is undergrad education so expensive, and is it even worth it now?
Guess the rebels these days are but a controlled opposition.
Hampshire was one of the best experiences of my life and I credit Hampshire and what I learned there for EVERY job I have gotten since graduating: from working at a start up non-profit, to a boarding school, to many many freelance gigs in many different domains, to starting my own business to now working for NYU. This video doesn't capture that Hampshire that I know and love and the fight to save the school over the past few months. Hampshire is about pushing students to think differently, experiment and expand their boundaries. My friends from Hampshire have gone on to prestigious grad school programs (at Harvard, Columbia, Michigan just to name a few), gone on to found businesses and excelled in many different arenas. The fight to save the college is about saving a school that practices innovative transformative education in a world that desperately needs change in education and in our society and produces graduates that will make change in the world. This video does a terrible job depicting the academically rigorous process of Div 3, which is a year long project that usually involves tons of writing and other requirements. This small clip makes it look like we were just goofing around, when Div 3s are often the starts of businesses, original research in the sciences and humanities, full theater productions, curriculum plans for future classrooms and more.
Also to those shocked by the price tag: Hampshire at $60k is about average for what it costs to go to college these days. HOWEVER, Hampshire gives away tons of financial aid. It was actually cheaper for me to go to Hampshire because of the financial aid I received, than it was to go to my in-state public university.
@GodMaster i stopped reading your post at "no ones gonna read"
Nelson tried to save the school and these morons protested her until she left. Radicals gonna radical. Good riddance.
@GodMaster If you did read my post you would have seen that it was CHEAPER for me to go to Hampshire because of the financial aid I received than it was to go to an in-state public university in Michigan where I grew up. You don't know me or Hampshire from 7 minutes of HBO Vice.
@@armbartriangle1234 Well, for what it's worth: "financial aid" simply means subsidized by taxpayers. The college gets that money elsewhere, just not from you.
Lmao at the interviewer this is so good
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I went to a liberal arts college, this is not how you run a liberal arts college. Yes, there will be hard times, my college was on the verge of bankruptcy due to the administration spending more on buildings than on faculty and students. But Hampshire College can't demand cake and eat it as well. They have to compromise and realize a 60K education has to have some worth...some real world worth. Ken Burns is their only famous alum. The college needs to adapt
This looks exactly like Evergreen . Doomed
I feel obligated to say that, speaking as a Hampshire student, our school takes a lot of work. There are no tests, but there's a great deal of homework and projects assigned in place of tests. And there are creative and alternative options for most projects, but the people who choose those options often end up working a lot harder than students who stick to writing traditional research papers or essays. There's also the option to take classes at Smith, Holyoke, UMass Amherst, or Amherst college, which everyone I know has taken advantage of. I think this perception that Hampshire is a "day care" is misinformed.
Hampshire college gives people the opportunity to set up an AMAZING set of useful skills--and it gives you the freedom and abundance of resources needed to do so. On the flip side, that freedom also gives people the opportunity to not set themselves up. It's all about the student, their vision, and how it contributes to them and others. People CAN take advantage of this system to get a useless degree without skills, but they can also take advantage and put in the work to create something truly world-changing. It's a system that seems to cater to the extremes in my experience, and it can create truly magnificent scholars, scientists, mathematicians, writers, and activists.
@NathanM You're right, it's DEEPLY misinformed.
I think you mean “obliged”, Hampshire graduate..
Moynihan's body language is hilarious at the beginning of this.
My word, I can't believe I used to call myself a liberal. But I'm not a conservative either, nor am I libertarian. I have major issues with everyone. Heh.
Enrollment at this dingbat factory this year was 15 students. Not a typo. 15! Not gonna happen Ken.
$60,000 for an unmarketable Arts Degree . wow. That is uncalled for.
EDIT: Sue me, it's $60k a year. Whatever. It's still ridiculous. lol
Not even a degree if you listened to the piece carefully
You get better value just going to library, watching youtube videos, and doing the occasional class at the local juco.
@@thejquinn It has to lead to a degree. How would they continue to grad school?
@@thejquinn No, it very much is a degree, and it's a lot more academically rigorous and sellective than your average party state school. It's part of a consortium with Amherst, so you can literally be taking classes at an Ivy League school.
@@MattSezer No Grades = No Transcripts = No Degree.
sees thumbnail with Jackie chan and clicks super fast 😂😂😂😂
$60 000 a year for a Last Airbender project and a guy who can teach you how to breath out the patriarchy hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
"why best buy?!" lmao
H Burns I laughed a little too hard on this one 😂😂
Because they thought they could sell a few washing machines to these people who need to wash their clothes badly.
Want fries with that?
Vice, you present Hampshire as providing a frivolous education. As an alum, I beg to differ. 25% of Hampshire alums start their own ventures from investment firms to advocacy organizations - Hampshire is #1 in schools whose graduates earn a PHD in history and in the top 50 of graduates who earn a PHD in science or engineering. Our film department is legendary. Hampshire’s forte is teaching critical thinking, something you did not portray and something that we alums use throughout our life. You interviewed Mim, but you did not interview Ken, our current interim president, who actually represents the school. As for tuition costs - yes, they’re high, too high for everyone but Hampshire is hardly at the top of the list. You cherry-picked the most extreme material - the story you didn’t tell is the work the community is doing to reinvent academically and financially
Any hard numbers to support that claim?
They need a course to make coffee art since that is where most are going.
Or how to deliver pizza
if he can preserve it like he preserved that hair cut he got when he was 6 years old everything is going to be A-OK !!
I see a career in Uber for most of these kids
tbh i really wanna hear the rest of that avatar thesis
tofu farmer I can send it to you if you’d like! I know a lot of people here are assuming we’re all a bunch of whiny spoiled brats and while for some people at Hampshire that may be true, a lot of us worked really hard. I had to do a ton of reading, difficult classes and essays. I even went to India to learn at the Tibetan university in Sarnath. I want to return Spirituality to our culture and ATLA is a great example of how that can be done, it inspired me to study Religion and so I used it as the basis of my final project!
@@Mysticist that would be so cool! How can I DM you my email??
revisit this soon pls.
3:45 “we have no confidence in your ability to lead this school”, “thanks bye”. Shit she didn’t even want to keep the job in this asylum, she wanted to get out of there
Wait so they were only able to admit 15 students but had a 29 member board? I see a big part of the problem right there.
Yep, as an Alum, I was OUTRAGED 🤬
Basically just "express yourself".....for a cost of $30,000...
Any update on this; what sort of state is the school in today (Aug 2020), ≈ a year and a half and one pandemic later?
Its actually doing alot better financially.
Looks like a really weird place to go to school...
Nice to see Vice bashing radical liberals
They treated that president so bad...terrible
That initial college scene would make me jump off a cliff, so little merit too much self congratulatory applause, no hard anything just soft stupidity
Hilarious.......most liberal colleges will close simply because economics was not part of the learning experience
Oh yeah. I saw this movie. It was called Accepted and the college was called the South Harmon Institute of Technology. I’ll let you figure out what that spells.
This story has made me rethink my trust in everything that VICE has done. I had thought of VICE as being pretty straight-forward, 'get to the real story' type of news. As a Hampshire Grad who talked with many involved with the events depicted here - and in knowing the school very well - I can resolutely state that this story doesn't barely gets to any of the truth of the situation and instead relies on sensationalism and cheap tricks. It is easy to take a portion of a Div 3 presentation out of context to serve up as red meat for others to laugh at. When seeing the full body of Div 3 work, essentially masters programs being done by college seniors, it is a stunning variety of effort that rivals and exceeds work performed at more prestigious traditional institutions. Yes, Hampshire does graduate students who become organic farmers and activists - which is great - as well as wall street folks, academy award winning actors, brilliant film makers, business people, lawyers, etc, etc. You can pick one example to rile people up - when in fact, Hampshire is exactly what this world needs more of - critical thinkers who challenge the status quo. Perhaps what VICE news was supposed to stand for, yet when you see an institution that teaches these values, you edit a story to belittle them. You harp on the cost of the college without mentioning that around 90% of students get financial aid, or noting that this is what a liberal arts education generally costs in America thanks to a variety of factors (e.g. health care, insurance) for which a school has no control. Painting Mim as a victim is also an easy path to take - you can find one person who has said one crazy thing (e.g. the Best Buy annecdote with your exaggerated reporter's face making your real point) in any large group of people - just look at the social media responses for your very own videos. Recording the thoughts of one nutty person is not journalism, it is sensationalism. In actuality, likely with all best of intentions, Mim and members of the board pre-concluded that there was no way to raise enough money to stay independent without talking first about the crisis to alumns, faculty, staff, students and then Mim cut off admissions for a full class of students even though a vote on the board did NOT authorize her to do so, essentially shooting the school in the foot in order to force the merger solution that they had decided upon. The school rallied and came together and is now working hard to stay independent (likely with some needed reinvention) despite Mim's horrible decision (well meaning as it was) decimating the school's finances for the next 4 years as this tiny class moves through the school. There was a full class coming - unlike what you state in your story! You do a tremendous disservice to good people supporting an institution that holds a unique and vital place in American education. - Proud Hampshire Graduate.
there is no context in which that presentation doesn't look laughable
shut up nerd
oh and apparently they don't teach people how to use paragraphs in hampshire college lmfao #owned
@@JimmyKillem69 So do drunk people at frat parties watching football games, which is what you get at tons of other colleges.
@@MattSezer apparently they don't teach people how to read at hampshire college either lmfao
so do drunk people? what are you even replying to my man? are you saying drunk people at frat parties do "don't teach people how to use paragraphs"?
hahahahaha no, it's even funnier, you went to tisch hahaha
i bet they prepped you well for that career in ART, you are special lmfao
When you breathe..it’s not your belly that fills with air
3:19 ... that girl was so rude that the interviewer's face was priceless. She cut off her colleague blatantly like she was thirsty for airtime.
There are PLENTY of rude students at Hampshire just as at ANY OTHER college unfortunately. I hope he held her accountable for doing that to him on-camera when they concluded the interview; I DEFINITELY would have. It was EXTREMELY rude and disrespectful of her.
When I was a student at Hampshire, I ABSOLUTELY encountered a number of pretentious and insufferable (not to mention annoying) spoiled brats every year on campus.
However, Hampshire is NOT unique or singular in this phenomenon. EVERY single college and university in this country (and in the world unfortunately) has them.
This seems like season arc on Community lmfao
This school is a waste of time and a waste of money. Go into an actual college that will help your future
Trust me, you can waste plenty of time and money at an "actual" college by not selecting a degree that employers consider to be valuable
@@ghostphoto1789 exactly. People choose to major in something knowing that there is little to no jobs available in then act like a victim when they have to pay back the 30 grand in debt they racked up to get a useless piece of paper
@@AA-bs3iy try $100k...but people do that at regular colleges. This $60k a year shit is nuts.
@@feliciasbeard fr
ghostphoto but every degree at this school is useless.... at least at other colleges u have options
Holy Crap $60k a year! For this? You are much better off going to your state University and saving boatloads on tuition. O, it'll also help you get a job this place won't
Life is Choices. If you desire to study for a completely frivolous degree that means nothing to the real world, it’s your choice... but choices come with consequences & Costs. You will have to choose to invest 60k a year in a degree that will yield no real advantage or earning power. College is about networking & proving entry level skills that can get your foot in doors; this school costs you an arm & a Leg to get no further than “occupying” a sidewalk outside of doors.
I believe we as a society are responsible for these choices, particularly when they are uninformed. I bet you most of these students have not considered how useless their degrees are going to be. Due to their lack of experience we cannot expect them to have done so. The society must protect them against uninformed choices.
@@iamcleaver6854 true; but that is where your Parents SHOULD be there to 🗣 talk sense & help you know reality. But, my parents fell short there as well; based around their own selfish desires & goals that had in mind for MY life.
I’m a fan of how Israelis are conscripted for 2 years after highschool into Military service… let’s you experience the world & work a entry level position, while learning discipline & seeing how the gears of the economy truly turn.
If you want a degree, you need to be able to “justify it”. Either in “Kinetic energy” aka moneys you already have that your using as the degree is a hobby or self funded endeavor… or in “Potential energy”, Moneys your going to make from the knowledge you’ve gained in the pursuit of the degree. Society owes us as individuals Nothing
@@PulpMinded Not everyone's parents have that kind of experience
Sorry I couldn't make it through 7.5 minutes of whatever that was?!?!
Vice just trolled these students and school. After this, 90% of the population is laughing at them and saying close the school
Vice News got cancelled the day after they released this.
Woman comes in and tries to save small college with huge financial problems. Immediately gets a sit in. Probably even called her a fascist, lol. No one was surprised. Let it die.
To have a good understanding in the history of philosophy, the world history from the perspective of other cultures, other religions besides the one you were brought up in, foreign language study abroad, actually working in the community on projects for the good of others, the arts, the humanities, the idea of education of the whole person is now laughed at in most of America. All we hear is people grunting 'just teach me somethin' so I can get money'.
The best thing to say to any students wanting to or going to a liberal arts college is to Get A Job if you want to survive in the future. Go to this kind of school and you will probably be working for Mc Donalds in the future. If you still insist going to this school that's on you but go ahead and practice saying ( do you want fries with this.). At least you will be somewhat ready for the real world.
Please don’t assume that we are all the stereotype you may think. I’m the one doing the Avatar: The Last Airbender presentation. I spent years reading Religious texts from around the world, taking classes at all of the 5 Pioneer Valley colleges. (save for UMASS)
I traveled to India to learn from Tibetan monks. I spent a month volunteering at the New England Peace Pagoda where I spent most of my time hauling large amounts of firewood around. I spent a summer doing Landscaping which is pretty brutal work and I have been busting my ass to get a job now that I’ve graduated and it looks like I may be getting a factory job that pays 50k a year for 60 hours a week and I would be proud to do it.
The closest friend I had at Hampshire is a pharmacist who works two jobs and is in the middle of a month long run of work without a single day off.
That thesis I wrote was almost 100 pages long and is only a third of what I hope to write on the subject.
I chose to go to Hampshire College because I could do that project and I could have access to courses at wonderful institutions like Amherst, Smith and Mount Holyoke College.
I chose to study Religion and Philosophy because I didn’t want to live where I would be making all the money I wanted but my life felt empty and meaningless and because I see so many people like me my own age who are completely alienated from society and live without hope and I truly want to help them by giving them that hope.
I hope to work hard enough to pay off my student loan debt (a sizable but not ridiculous $25k) and continue my education in Graduate school and either teach or get an MDIV and become a chaplain (likely with the US Military)
I am currently in the best shape of my life thanks to this path (which includes watching lots of Anime) pushing me to better myself. I can bike 30+ miles at a time and run 5+ miles. I workout almost every day and I am doing my best to support my aging parents who are working way more than they should have to.
I have also matured a lot over the past few years as I try to control my emotions and become a better person who can be thoughtful, take criticism and learn.
I am by no means perfect, I struggle with self doubt, depression and anxiety. (Something the comments here have certainly not helped) I make more than my fair share of mistakes but I always try to find meaning in my suffering and become a better person and I try to not judge others and I strive to have more compassion and sympathy.
On one side I have people like some at Hampshire who seem to think that any aspect of masculinity in me is toxic and on the other are people like the ones here who probably think that because I try to be kind, compassionate and cry when I watch something sad or touching that my femininity is unnatural. I choose every day to believe that both parts of myself can live in harmony together.
Hampshire has a ton of problems and maybe its death is deserved, but only God will be the judge of that and the evidence will be if it survives or not.
But whatever your opinion of Hampshire is do not assume that we are all lazy, spoiled, entitled snowflakes. If you do believe that perhaps you should look at yourself instead of judging others. My own experience and personal failures have taught me that those who are quick to judge are often just trying to distract from their own failings.
At first this was meant to try and prove to others that I am not the stereotype they may think I am based on about 10 seconds of my work. But I realize that is pointless. Really I am trying to prove that my own existence is valid to that nagging voice that exists in my head that says I am a failure, that I am despicable, that I am worthless. I may spend the rest of my life trying to prove that voice wrong. But looking back on what I’ve written, even knowing all the mistakes I’ve made, I still feel proud of myself because I am still alive. In spite of this voice I choose to keep on existing.
I have argued with theologians and philosophers, I have met the Dalai Lama, I am friends with Monks and Scientists. In my quest to understand myself and this world that I am a part of I have stared into the Abyss and seen the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth. I have failed more times than I have succeeded but I still choose to try again every time.
I hope that this resonates with some people, either those who fear that trying to be something more than what society deems is strictly useful, or maybe someone who works hard and is upset at seeing what they believe are coddled kids getting a free pass, that may even be true in some cases, but is it really worth your time getting upset? Life is not fair but trying to count the ways it is unfair is like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach there will always be someone less deserving than oneself and always someone more. One should simply enjoy the beach as best they can while trying to fix the truly egregious problems of this world of which Hampshire College is not even worth mentioning.
Maybe I’m the brilliant visionary I hope I am deep inside or maybe I’m just a pretentious idiot I fear. Likely I am somewhere in between and that will be something I will discover as I continue to live my life. But in the end even that is of little consequence, for those left so sure of there superiority over me or anyone else I will simply end with this:
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said-“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
It's unfortunate that you, your scholarship, and your school have been portrayed in an unfair and inaccurate way. It seems like like we have reached the point where the media is both omnipresent and consistently shallow and divisive.
By the way I am a feminist middle aged college and law school graduate from a blue state who is also a deplorable. I am not supposed to exist, but I do.
Daycare for individuals completely incapable of competing on a level playing field.
This school monetizes the self-fulfilling failure of grievance culture.
If it's a liberal school, then why wouldn't the leadership be coop?
Annnnd, why do the students at this "college" that don't believe that money is necessary to operate a college - pay tuition???
Bye Felicia 🤣🤣🤣🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I'm in student government and oh my god I know that group (Not that specific group but one like it) and they are the most infuriating group of jackasses that only take 100% even if you give them 90% of what they want they are kicking and screaming
They need to learn the word "no".
They had a bleeding heart hipster lady trying to save them, and so they ousted her. I sympathize with Miriam Nelson to some extent.
Liberal arts degrees are fine if you have practical minors and/or graduate degrees in practical areas.
She wasn't the right president for Hampshire though, she was still a bit too conservative. She didn't include the larger college community (Hampshire or the Five Colleges) in her decision-making process regarding finding a merger partner. HUGE MISTAKE.
Case in point: Nelson was going back and forth in email exchanges with the president of nearby UMass/Amherst about potentially being Hampshire's merger partner and you HIDE that from your constituents and the Hampshire community? BIG, GLARING mistake.
Hampshire's VERY small size (about 1,400 students in pre-pandemic times) makes it a fairly close-knit and socially conscious and concerned student community, and students are usually HEAVILY involved in the cultural life AND the running of the college and ALL issues that affect that, such as this would have had in the college's future in a HUGE and detrimental way. ANY merger partner would have meant drastic changes to Hampshire's academic structure and the alteration of the educational philosophy the college was founded on. Normally at Hampshire, community input on an issue like this one, would have been a better way for Nelson to proceed, but she didn't do that.
It's why the student occupation of Nelson's office occurred, and why the sit-in lasted as long as it did. I FULLY supported and understood WHY that occured and also eventually why the Faculty, Administration and Staff took a vote of "no confidence" in both Nelson herself and the Board, because they even felt that Nelson (and the Board as it was at that time) weren't handling the issues correctly, and were essentially putting the college's future existence on the chopping block. This is what was ACTUALLY happening, ALL conspiracy theories and distraction talk fully aside.
The larger Five College community also was trying to be supportive of Hampshire (since the other four institutions founded the college) and (from what I understood) also support Nelson and Hampshire's Board of Trustees, but she (and they) insisted on keeping that under wraps also and being VERY secretive and tight-lipped about Five College community support and involvement SO, I had to wonder: "Why?" 🤔
And as a Hampshire Alum myself (go ahead and laugh I don't care), I was angry with her because she didn't divulge to any of us Alums at an event I was at in San Francisco in December of 2018, that there EVEN was a financial problem @ Hampshire to begin with. She COMPLETELY kept that from us. Talk about shitty Alumni relations PR. And that's something I will say was COMPLETELY attributable to Nelson and her Adminstration and the current Board.
The news ONLY came out later starting in January of 2019 that the college was even in a financial crisis and seeking a merger partner. Surprising and shocking those Hampshire students, faculty, staff and administration currently on-campus as well as ALL of us Hampshire alums across the country alike. We literally had NO IDEA of the depth or severity of the issues. ALL due to the fact that she DID NOT communicate them in a more open and forthcoming (not to mention timely); manner.
Her communication patterns were underhanded and she'd consigned everyone on campus (Faculty, Staff & Administration alike) to gag orders by having them sign non-disclosure agreements, effectively muzzling them. There were even allegations of bullying and pressure by other Board Members towards the the two student-elected Board of Trustee representatives to go along with all of this.
SO, what kind of sense did that make? We have a HUGE financial problem concerning the college's future so let's NOT talk about it, let's NOT involve Alums and let's shut everyone down currently on campus by forcing them to sign NDA's so they can't talk about it or reach out to anyone about it? Nor involve the larger surrounding Five-College academic community either? I mean: 🤔😮🤷
NONE of that is rational behavior for either a College President OR a Board of Trustees. The vote of "no-confidence" and the ongoing student occupation of Nelson's office were MUCH more rational responses to the resultant crisis than ANYTHING Nelson and the Board had done up until that point.
Once we all KNEW there was a problem, we ALL got involved and the college survived and is still surviving. Under better leadership.
I'm not hating on her personally, BUT her Presidential leadership wasn't effective for the type of experimenting college Hampshire is, and her leadership "style" wasn't a good fit. If you look historically at how close-knit and transparent the Hampshire community is when it comes to the cultural life and continued vitality of the college. It's unfortunate, because I genuinely enjoy women leaders, and I always have, and I was VERY supportive of Nelson herself as Hampshire's leader to begin with because I thought it was well OVERDUE for Hampshire to have a second woman president. That unfortunately changed when I learned the full extent of how she'd been handling things. She wasn't like Adele Simmons, who'd run Hampshire from 1977-1989.
Finally, I have to also criticize Hampshire's former president Jonathan Lash for passing on the "financial mess" @ Hampshire that Nelson inherited, and that was DEFINITELY a huge part of the reason things escalated as they did. However, she didn't handle things in an effective way, regardless of whatever financial issues she "came onboard to" when she took office as Hampshire's next president.
Had she been involving the ENTIRE Hampshire community: current students, staff and administration on-campus, the alumni network and the larger Five-College community on her ways of doing things, I believe the outcome of this would have been FAR DIFFERENT, and her tenure as Hampshire's President would have continued, and she wouldn't have been "ousted" as you put it, which in fact isn't true either -- she resigned. Which was the BEST thing for her to do given the circumstances.
HampRiseUp needs to grow up. If nobody willing to make a change than this college will collapse. Those people will have nobody but themselves to blame.
What a freak show
Hampshire College was an outgrowth of the peace and love 60s mentality. There once was a place for this No Where Land woohoo experience. Maybe legalizing pot will help with this feel good do your own thing kind of place. Then we could really call it higher education😁
These crazy students, they're not interested in learning anymore they're interested in being really hyper political and causing trouble.
Wearing shirts about misogyny, and the patriarchy, and yet they treat this woman with absolute disrespect.
Occupying a woman's space, like her office, is violent, it's meant to body check her and intimidate her with their physical presence.
Give me a break!
This is how my school, The Evergreen State College was absolutely destroyed.
Most people I know who have graduated, like me, from The Evergreen State college, are no longer talking about that school fondly. I never tell anyone I graduated from there anymore, especially in potential employers. Evergreen used to be a great school and I was so proud to be a Greener.
Not anymore.
Sorry Ken, this time you're wrong. I'm a little upset that you allowed the abuse of this female School administrator Mr Burns without any comment as to the bad behavior of your fellow alumni.
This isn't so much about money is it, no this is more about behavior. Who the hell wants to go to a school or help finance the school with students who act like that.
lol i did a student tour at the college and the students told us not to apply
Get Woke, Go Broke......
Its with a broken heart that i inform the Hampshire collage just close its doors 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hampshire College should just shut down. Calling them a young institution is not an excuse for being broke. Liberty University was founded in 1971 which had $851.3 million in the fiscal year 2012
Go woke go broke
Tell that to Nike or Netflix or the other thousands of progressive companies.
not always true
IronGiant Nike or Netflix are not progressive. They are, typical, corporations.
@@AA-vr8ez Gillette lost money lol
That last shot of a bunch of bearded dudes in dresses killed me, I dont see why 'modern artists', if you can even call these people that, have to look like such trash.
Wow what a complete waste of time.
3:33 channeling some Arlo Guthrie from Alice's Restaurant
Don’t forget the college burned the flag when Trump was elected. And the military fought back.